EPTsoniv still looks pretty bad to me. My filter-list looks like this overnight:
jcarlsoniv, gtsrs, jaybrundage, Odin, MZ
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VisceraEyes
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soniv still looks pretty bad to me. My filter-list looks like this overnight: jcarlsoniv, gtsrs, jaybrundage, Odin, MZ | ||
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VisceraEyes
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On December 04 2013 11:46 geript wrote: You've never really accounted for Sandroba or Marv's points. You never really explained my points against you. You continue to push me as a scum read with no real reason for me to be scum when I'm the person who really started the counterwagon against your lynch. You never really came back and explained your reads on why the people who you suspect are scum. You're the person who faked going to Trynd but picked Lux and seem completely revolved around that while no one really suspects you for that. You did come back with a chezinu-esque fucking poem with practically reads as a scumclaim. On top of that, you've completely fucking avoided talking about the counterwagon to your fucking lynch entirely. It's weird as shit and scummy. The fact that your defense is focused on bits of things that people don't really find you scummy for and not the big fucking elephants in the room is why people are so happy to jump on your wagon in part. geript this post really comes across like you know he's going to flip town. | ||
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Mocsta
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On December 04 2013 15:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: was or "are"@mocsta still think VE is town, think it's strange he didn't hammer on LSB as rayns post implied ( if that's not the case I'll have to reevaluate). I personally don't have foundation for a geript lynch but I've had a gut read all game and since people are discussing him I was gonna filter dive and see if there was foundation. | ||
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geript
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On December 04 2013 15:48 VisceraEyes wrote: geript this post really comes across like you know he's going to flip town. 1. Is any of what I wrote wrong? 2. How so? Because I've done the same thing like multiple times as scum? | ||
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Mocsta
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On December 04 2013 15:55 geript wrote: 1. Is any of what I wrote wrong? 2. How so? Because I've done the same thing like multiple times as scum? I had to read it a few times to get what VE meant. When I first read this, I thought you were venting to Bumat But, after a few reads I think VE is saying that you are overcompensating the "smack down". | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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never once does he properly analyze oats and is content to simply lean on his "gut read" he constantly talks about both oats and jay but never really tries to get people to join him and instead simply tells people to vote them because his targets are guaranteed scum. The biggest thing I get out of geript is a bunch of noise and posts without doing anything substantial. For instance, he has his main targets but he brings up others on the side and never follows up. He's in that twilight zone where you can't blame him for the bum mislynch but he was definitely involved. Probably the biggest thing in geript's favor is calling out people like austin and coag, both of whom are low content lurkers. If he's scum he could be bussing his teammates but it's a point in his favor that he doesn't let them fall through the cracks. However the reason why this doesn't clear him is because he never follows up with any of this. It's easy enough to call out lurkers as scum but he never actually follows through which makes me think this was an effort to appear protown. geript is frustratingly inconclusive for me. He's done things I feel are scummy (hence my gutread) but I couldn't put it into a coherent analysis. This is the problem I was running into earlier in the game when I was looking at geript and sadly bum's death hasn't really made it any easier. He could be scum but I'd rather look into bum's other suspects right now. | ||
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Mocsta
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this is probably Risen Karthus - Requiem - Press 'R' to win! Once during the game you deal damage to 3 targets of your choosing. This must be used at least 12 hours before a deadline, and the thread will be notified that you have used your ultimate, but not on whom. May be used during the day or at night | ||
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Promethelax
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D1 sign up list On December 01 2013 01:06 geript wrote:
Might be worthwhile later. the current sign up list after n1 is:
Which hopefully means that there are no day time list switch powers. Based on the numbers of replacements I'm curious to look at those individuals in particular who have replaced in, with so many people replacing I find myself nervous about replacements in general and would like to work to clear/indict those slots first because of how little must have been offered by the originals and even more so because so many of the replacements are not known for terribly stellar town play; all five have the ability to play well but equally have the ability to play poorly. I've seen too many games where a replacement makes it to endgame and is lynched/let go because of their predecessor. My desire would be to get reads on the five replacements from the players who are known to play town well in this game I'd say marv, sandro, VE, SS and Rayn. I'd like reads from the five of you on the five replacement slots. My reads on the five I'm most curious of based mostly on filter diving and a little on thread context (not my preferred method of finding scum but I can't get my teeth into the thread somehow, its just too much when I wasn't there to think about stuff while it was happening). I looked at the lynch and went back to the filters. Kush I feel good about kush, he cared about the lynch and defended his town read. He didn't flip on that read even when said read attacked him for it. He stayed calm and collected in the discussion which is so not scum kush. There was a post of Kush's which felt lonely (okay I know this is silly, stick with me) and I don't think a scum kush would post it; this kid is an active player whatever else can be said about him and in his scum games he is all up in that scum qt. If I had to makes a guess on kush at this point in this game I'd say both that he is town and that he is playing better than usual. My only qualm is how diplomatic kush is playing, I'm choosing to believe (and I think the evidence supports) that it is a better town game from him but it may be a new scum style. On the five part scale kush is a 2 (1= confirmed town all the way down to 5 = preferred lynch) + Show Spoiler [Supporting points on the above:] + Bum read On December 04 2013 00:03 kushm4sta wrote: DO NOT LYNCH BUM. I think it's literally impossible for scum to think this way. His thought process is so freaking town. continues to defend Bum (with logic) On December 04 2013 01:11 kushm4sta wrote: case against bum: contradictions flinging vague shit Town do both of these things all the time. In the hypothetical situation that bum was town, I would expect behavior that was tryhard and scared. That comes from his level of experience and his personality. "Contradictions" and "flinging vague shit" are only scumtells when the player is not scared (a more experienced player) and not tryhard. Kush's loneliness On December 04 2013 07:26 kushm4sta wrote: bum so isn't scum. im literally the only person defending him.. LSB I don't know LSB (to my knowledge we've never played together) so I can't say as much about him as a player but his first few posts don't sit terribly well with me. Specifically his defensive reply to Rayn's very clear comment seemed out of place; that defensiveness suggests to me that if LSB is scum there is at least one scum in the top six picks. Not yet relevent but something to keep in mind. LSB follows this with a totally contradictory post the contradiction in which I'm ignoring in the interest of not bleeding from the ears, the post again rubs me the wrong way though it chastises town for banning out pro-scum roles. Along with this LSB says he WILL roleclaim and that everyone had better roleclaim OR ELSE. The bluster in those posts is strong and a blustery player is trying hard to put themselves in a position in town, not necessarily scummy but raises red flags. Bum mentions (in one of the posts in the spoiler under Kush's name) that he thinks LSB is better than he is playing in this game, the bluster means that LSB thinks so too. I like that LSB followed through with the folly that is his claiming plan but it hurts my brain to think that he thought enacting a claiming plan without getting town ready to act on this claiming plan was worthwhile. At best individual roleclaims mean nothing. At worst they inform scum as to how to act. LSB's single minded devotion to the mass claiming/number gathering is interesting. I like it. It needs to be done in a pyp game (just as the list managing needs to be done in this game particularly) town needs these things done and LSB doing them is pro town!! If LSB fails to do anything else and does not catch scum through his list analysis he is scum, the behavious he has exibited is that of a townie however it is easy to fake as scum and he hasn't done other things which scum cannot fake. However for the moment I'm happy to have a player approaching the game though the analytic paths. LSB is an old school player and his play reflects that old school mindset. I've written a lot on LSB because my thoughts were pretty varied. All in all I'd take him as town for now with a little mark next to his name to make sure to look into his participation in the future and whether he continues to focus only on mechanics. rating: 2.5 + Show Spoiler [citations] + Defensive reply contradictions On December 02 2013 09:27 LSB wrote: I wouldn't say it is totally wrong. Ever since town decided the best idea was to ban out the obvious mafia roles, which was a horrible idea because those would be easy mafia kills, roles do not = aliment. However, giving mafia the power roles free reign is an incredibly stupid idea and come day I will be roleclaiming and voting anyone who doesnt LSB's number focus On December 04 2013 03:02 LSB wrote: I'll just post it again to clear up confusion If you are vanilla town it is important for you to reveal what role you tried to take If you can deal damage it is important for you to reveal what role you tried to take If you are DT/Medic/Tracker it is highly suggested, but I will forgive you if you don't, to reveal what role you take We need to know if Janna, Heimerdinger, Karthus and other roles that have the ability to increase mafia KP are in the game. Koshi [2][1] - Viktor Kurumi [4][6] - Warwick VisceraEyes [5][4] - Lux jcarlsoniv [9][3] - Soft Blue claim, cannot deal damage Mig [12][1] JonnyLaw [14][11] Risen [15][15] - Karma StorrZerg [23][23] geript [24][24] Warwick? -> VT? austinmcc [6][3] Meapak_Ziphh [6][14] Sandroba - Fiora Kenpachi[8][15] - Blue Claim Rean [16][2] Lux-> VT bumatlarge [16][12] -> Soft Blue Claim Onegu [17][5] Soft Blue Claim, probably a power role. Claim was done by BC justanothertownie marvellosity [7][2] - Blue Claim gtrsrs [7][11] Kha'Zix -> VT OdinOfPergo [7][16] Karma -> VT Mocsta [1][5] ? ->VT supersoft [1][30] Oatsmaster [1][1] Cho'Gath ->VT raynpelikoneet [1][1] - Shen kushm4sta ticklishmusic Taric Roffles Coagulation jaybrundage [Tabbz] Ezreal? LSB -> Tryndamere Onegu Oh God! I want to lynch Onegu on this filter. And I'd hate myself for lynching him on this filter. I am so sorry for what I am about to say! Onegu's whole filter is a discussion of his son, the whole thing is a sympathy grab and bares no relevance to the game. He spends a lot of time apologizing and none playing. His only post is an I'll sheep Rayn post. Double donkey fuck. I hate this filter and I know its totally possible form it that Onegu is an honest townie. The thing is I also know that its as likely he is a dishonest scummer. I know nothing about Onegu: not a hard scum read but I wouldn't mind him being vig hit/lynched. He has a mark next to his name that says he had better shape the fuck up. I know he newbied his way to mafia victory in the past, he cannot be allowed to sympathy his way into endgame. rating: 4 + Show Spoiler [Onegu's one post] + On December 04 2013 05:00 Onegu wrote: So Im on page 66 rigjt now and it 3am. I promise I will catch up tomorrow, but deadline is in 7 hours. So I am right now confident in my ability to read rayn and believe he is town as he was the first person to really start scum hunting. So I am going to sheep him and consolidate, as close to where I am reading people said it was really important not to have outlander votes so people can analyze it. So I should be up before deadline amd get somemore reading in. ##Vote:bumatlarge Coag A little like the above, Coag has done nothing. Coag may do nothing as town or scum either way, he claimed the birthday card. Since birthdays are only one day I give him a chance to shape up. Assuming he participates well in the day 2 proceedings I'll forgive him for his less than stellar start. I hope he shapes up as I've gotten to like him recently, he did a rather good job as a host in the OMGus game I played and was generally a pleasant dude to be around; I'd like to get to see him play. Because I expect this kind of play from Coag at least a little I want to give him a 3 rather than a 4 but in reality I wouldn't be too torn up over his death so in the end his rating is 4 Promethelax cool kid, totes town. Probably better than you. You should listen to him. rated 1 | ||
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Promethelax
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On December 04 2013 15:20 Mocsta wrote: (1) See LSB filter (2) First draft pick list is around page31 I think.. or alternatively filter OP 3rd post = Mid or Feed (3) I'm really struggling to read LSB in general, so if you want to put a fresh perspective that I would appreciate it. Otherwise, some Persons of Interest to consider: Kush, Jay, Jonnylaw, some say Geript or VE. I'll look into JL, JB and we'll see about the other two if I have time. If you are still around I'd like your thoughts on what I said about Kush and LSB. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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Prom thank you for replacing in - having one less slot to worry about is going to really help things. You're very obviously town by your first post, so congratulations. Now try not to get killed please. With that, I'm going to bed. I'll do the filter thang tomorrow and either give you reads over the course of the phase or near the end before the next - depending on how excited I get by what I read I guess. | ||
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Promethelax
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To begin with I do have a history with Jay, I've played a few games with him. In the one where he played scum http://www.quicktopic.com/49/H/XzeY3JALfAC said "Jay - looking for a place to park his vote, far too confrontational and not carefree like town jay whatsoever, has been afk for a long time" in the obs qt and it was damn accurate. So in reading jay's filter I am looking for the confrontational v carefree thing. Aside: its how I read Hopeless1der too, you all should learn it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=15#285 is pretty damn carefree. He is being challenged not only on his townieness but also his intelligence and he comes back with that little masterwork of posting including (this is my favourite part) the part of his screen shot that shows the Wikipedia entry for apostrophe open in another window. This kid is carefree as they come. Outside of the meta read Jay has posted some really god-awful stuff this for instance On December 01 2013 20:50 jaybrundage wrote: Yea I never played a PYP game before I thought we send in draft numbers another phase. I didn't realize we had to ban and send in draft. So far I think Rayn is town. I dont like marv. I have been in games with him where he plays an amazing scum. I would be totes fine with lynching him. He doesn't seem to care much and knowing how good a mafia player he is. He wont incriminate him self easily where Jay calls marv scum for being good scum and because he is playing badly here. Which, obviously, makes no fucking sense. Now I rather think a post that poorly thought through is more likely to come from town than scum. A scum writing that post would be thinking about how that sounded and would realize the asinine nature of it, I think a townie would be more likely to parataxically attach those two thoughts and post them as one post. Big points for Jay being town OR scum pulling something complex and stupid: His place on the draft order due to not sending in any numbers. Since I am of the opinion that it is waaaay more likely that a townie made a dumb-dumb than that the scum team planned a crazy out of this world get-jay-to-be-confirmed-town-by-not-picking-numbers plan I have to conclude that Jay is town. Rating: 1 with the caveat that if we flip scum with crazy draft picks he needs to be looked at again Look at his actual play and tell me you think that is scum play. I just don't see it. I want to see it because I'm getting bored of reading filters and concluding; probably town but I can't do much about the conclusion. I think he is town and I can't see why anyone who analysed his play would suggest he was scum. | ||
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Promethelax
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On December 04 2013 16:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Mocsta was right - excessive smack-down on the field. Not a huge thing, just something I noticed at the time and didn't bring up because I was afraid I would talk myself into switching off Bum. Prom thank you for replacing in - having one less slot to worry about is going to really help things. You're very obviously town by your first post, so congratulations. Now try not to get killed please. With that, I'm going to bed. I'll do the filter thang tomorrow and either give you reads over the course of the phase or near the end before the next - depending on how excited I get by what I read I guess. The one at the top of pg 129? No I wasn't don't bullshit me. I wrote that in my head before I saw my role. | ||
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Mocsta
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(1) Kush, I disagree. I'm remember him being pretty calm/collected in Noir (as scum). Further, I still like a relationship between him and jay. I get that he used logic to defend Bum - but if you knew he was town, I think saying "town do both of these things" is not a difficult thing to bring to the thread. The stuff you right feels like it is specific to Kush as opposed to other players. Not that I have a problem with meta -- but like i said, kush burnt me hard in Noir. If hes alive tomorrow, I will filter him in more detail; but so far I disagree. (2) LSB I'm in a similar mindset to you. You managed to word it a lot better with the use of "bluster" I really don't see scum being so ballsy to enact an instant policy lynch + all the setup confrontation. Happy to leave alone until later. (3) Onegu I would put firm null. The stuff you call out is unfortunately standard play for either alignment of Onegu -- but you seem to have some familiarity with him already?? Definitely need to keep an eye out for him, and I think he can be discerned if we give him a bit more time to showcase his scum reads -- pretty much all the analysts in BttB pegged him as town. (4) Coag I expect Coag to make useless posts, so an almost postless Coag is concerning. Agreed on the 1 day lay-off and no more. (5) Prome Yeah, towniest of the bunch by far off one post. | ||
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