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I really can't follow that Jay read.
My only meta on him is from Nomination and my memory was that he was paranoid -- carefree doesn't ring a bell.
Like, I get you are trying to paint a picture of carefree; but I dont see how that apostrophe post conveys that message?
The pick selection was semi-discussed early game and holds some form of merit -- and there were 2 people that posted in the game that failed to submit #'s. Does this auto qualify both as town??
+ then you get that hes AFK towards the end of the lynch, suddenly gets called out and magically appears to vote the leading bandwagon.
I'm not sold on Jay being confirmed town in the slightest.
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Johnnylaw
Not even a name I recognize. Given that he doesn't even have a mafia database entry I'll assume he is new.. As always anyone who knows anything about the individual who can add anything metawise would be greatly appreciated.
According to an old Gonzaw heuristic I'd have to call JL scum, he stopped posting while getting boozed up. You can't trust a dude who stops posting while his guard is down.
Based on his early posts I'll assume Johnnylaw is a LoL convert brought over by Wave. Dude knows his LoL (and I don't, so a lot of his early posts are not in a language I speak).
DINGDINGDING we have a winner folks
On December 01 2013 11:18 JonnyLaw wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 10:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
but jcarl is scum so... i dont't give a fuck This makes no sense. There's not a lot of pressure on you because you're flipping it on everyone else. Just fucking calm down, make your arguments and wait while we gain more information as people post, vote and draft. I get that you're making people talk and that will help us down the line but for now we have little information and ten pages of personal attacks and shit posting is clogging up the whole fucking thread.
Get your shit together or I'm saying you are scum or at the least, not helping the town actively.The series of personal attacks and shit posting for ten pages gave me nothing yet. I'll post again after I see what scum ban.
Holy double donkey dicks. Would lynch off of this post.
1. threat
2. it was a weak threat
3 that last sentence. You know what ten pages of shitposting gives a townie? I'll give you a hint, it rhymes with bum lead.
4. the whole thing is a soft grab for town points, its a 'ooh but bad thread atmosphere is bad' post with out doing anything to fix what it complains about. Scum love to agree with something being anti town while doing nothing to prevent it.
So far this post is the scummiest thing I've read in this thread. Would lynch.
This post is pretty awful to (its directed at bum)
On December 01 2013 13:28 JonnyLaw wrote:Warwick's not a strong first pick. + Show Spoiler +At night, you may submit the name and champion name of a player This means we need to know which champion the player has successfully picked. Why pick trynd at all? Just so you know who has tryndamere? There's not a chance in hell I'm picking that champion. I plan to contribute to winning this game. Dealing damage to people above/below me does not help us win the game. I don't even understand. Actually, I must say fuck your list. I disagree strongly with most of the conclusions. I think you're scum as is.
"I don't understand, therefore you are scum" = scummy
"I don't understand, I would like to understand" = townie
which is the above? Oh yes, the former. Johnnylaw is not making new points of his own, is arguing for and against nothings and keeps grabbing at town points while attacking town favoured plans. Note that he argues with the usefulness of the plan but does not provide a better plan, he is tearing down not bringing up.
Corollary to the Chezinu rule, the kushmasta rule.
On December 03 2013 06:25 JonnyLaw wrote:
Okay, I was out all day yesterday. Two hours later I've finally caught up in the thread.
gtrs - I dont like how his filter reads but he hasn't really given us much to lynch him either. I know he's capable of playing better as town so either he's busy, lazy or scum. None of these qualities help us win the game.
Soniv - fine for now. Looks to be making an effort to push the game towards a goal.
kushmasta - Like really? This guy comes into the thread and starts calling people scum in one liners and generally shitting the place up. He replaced OWB who completely shut down and hated playing scum in NMM L. The random tooscummytobescum post irritates me as well.
The rest have longer filters and I need to evaluate them. Just reading through the last 20 pages hasn't left me with other strong feelings yet.
I'll be checking filters and around for a while.
twenty pages of reading twenty four hours after his last thread appearance and the only kinda scummy thing he picks up on is that kush is a weird ass dude. I could have told you that for free.
He also says that gtsrs is playing the game. Which is not a conclusion. Everyone can see that gt is busy/lazy/scum JL doesn't provide any insight, he says he didn't like something and follows it with nothing until VE brings it up again at which time JL +1s like a champ.
He does these quick summaries of people which I can't stand, many of you know my stance on list posts without content and JL has many posts which are just one continuous contentless list. A bit of an excuse since Sandro asked him to look at those particular filters but in reality he said nothing about the four players.
Conclusion rating 4.5
my qualms with a JL lynch. The kid may be so new he doesn't see what he is doing and is unsure of how to contribute in a large game, lord knows its hard. He could be throwing around dog crap posts because he simply doesn't know how to make better posts, he seems relativly involved in the thread and has intereacted with many players by name and by idea. For now he looks like my first pressure for day two but I am not yet confidant I will want to lynch him. If I had to guess most likely scum out of the players I have filtered so far I'd take JL no questions asked.
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meh...
and why do people always start posting their analysis at night?!
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Agreed in johnny.
It's why I wanted to see him interact with kush more.
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Here is the list of items that I sent to the hosts yesterday. Most of them are approved with slight adjustments (read nerfs). My intention was that all these were really items that you hold till the end of the game, some items with passive benefits and then items you have to activate and with a 1/2/3/4 turn CD. But hosts don't want that.
If you think you like one of these items let me know and you might get selected. yay!
+ Show Spoiler +1. Gem of True Sight
The holder is notified everytime somebody visits him.
2. Eul's Scepter of Divinity
Puts a cyclone under somebody his ass. Protecting him from any damage and RBs him (Jailer)
3. Dust of Appearance
Shows all visitors that visited you or the 2 players around you on the player list. (2 uses)
4. Aegis of the Immortal
Revives you when you die with half hp and without debuffs.
5. Ring of Protection
Reduces any damage done to you by 50%
6. Dagon lvl 5
Insta gibs somebody. (dayvig gun)
7. Scythe of Vyse
Turns your target into a sheep, rbing him.
8. Armlet of Mordiggian
Doubles your HP when activated. But you lose 200 HP each cycle.
9. Refresher Orb
When activated you can use your night action 2 times in the same night.
10. Urn of Shadows
Heal target player for 333 hp each cycle for 5 cycles, if target takes damage it loses the healing buff the next cycle. This item starts with 2 charges and each time a scummer dies you get +1 charge.
11. Mekanism
Heals you and the 2 players around you on the player list for 500 hp.
12. Skull Basher
Damages target player for 500 damage and also stunning target player. (RB)
13. Talisman of Evasion
You have 50% chance to evade all incoming damage.
14. Black King Bar
Makes you immune to spells, but not mafia night kp.
15. Ghost Scepter
Makes you immune to mafia night kp, but spells do double damage.
16. Shadow Blade
When activated you are you immune from damage/spells for 1 turn unless dust is used on you. Or you visit the player that is holding a gem.
17. Pipe of Insight
You and the 2 people around you on the player list have a protection shield around you that protects them from maximum 500 damage.
Tonight I will look for some more normal items. Like a dayvig dual gun. I would like to make that as well.
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On December 04 2013 17:19 Mocsta wrote:
I really can't follow that Jay read.
My only meta on him is from Nomination and my memory was that he was paranoid -- carefree doesn't ring a bell.
Like, I get you are trying to paint a picture of carefree; but I dont see how that apostrophe post conveys that message?
The pick selection was semi-discussed early game and holds some form of merit -- and there were 2 people that posted in the game that failed to submit #'s. Does this auto qualify both as town??
+ then you get that hes AFK towards the end of the lynch, suddenly gets called out and magically appears to vote the leading bandwagon.
I'm not sold on Jay being confirmed town in the slightest.
My meta stuff is outdated it has been a long time since I played. Take it with a grain of salt. However you are taking two things and combining them. You should remember the three Ms of mafia (Mindset, mentality and meta) I coached you I'm sure I mentioned it to you somewhere. You are confusing Jay's town mindset: paranoid and his mentality: carefree. Jay's posts themselves are carefree, he isn't worried about things even though he is Best mislynch NA, he owns his badness and revels in it. He is also paranoid, he suspects everyone for everything. The two are NOT mutually exclusive.
Jay is a doofus. When you have a doofus on your scum team you make sure they do the right thing. In scum chat you'll be talking about picks as this a PYP game and scum coordinate their numbers its a big thing for them. On the whole I'd say that yes, in fact, the two people who did not pick numbers are probably town. If at any point one flips scum the other has to be looked at much more closely though as that means scum were thinking about using the no-pick to look townie.
I can't comment on timings because I wasn't here for them. Were Jay's actions scummy? Undoubtedly. Were his actions possible from a town jay? Equally undoubtedly. The kid can be a lurk machine.
Who was the other player?
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On December 04 2013 17:37 supersoft wrote:
meh...
and why do people always start posting their analysis at night?!
I replaced in at night, I don't have a lot of choices.
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Super, will I have to start by calling you scum to have you come have a nice conversation with me or will you do it because you wanna be best buddies and wreck scum?
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bastards the lot of you, I'm going to sleep (I hope) I look forward to talking to you all again soon. I hope to be awake during better activity times tomorrow that is, later in this night cycle.
In particular I look forward to talking with those of you who will be useful. Please make that all of you.
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I just invented the most epic item ever.
Judgment of Solomon
Let's pray that the hosts approve.
It's so epic I needed to write this down.
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but did you need to comment on the walls of analysis I've been producing? Yes, you needed to. But you didn't. Rectify that mistake.
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I really haven't read the last 450 messages. But I think you made a sexy case on Johnny. I can totes sheep you.
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Cool beans. Don't care. Read the last 450 messages. Come back to me when you have.
While you are here tell me which parts of that case you found convincing and which you doubted.
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I found everything convincing but it's not that I now know that he is 100% scum. But he could be.
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Given that you are not terrible at town you realize that what I am trying to do is get you to commit to something that I can hold you to in the future. You are refusing to do so and it has been noted.
In inventing consider that scum were most afraid of DT roles and you would do well to create them, though they can be boring to invent they are some of the best roles a town can have, even more so when scum has no framer/godfather powers.
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You shall be amazed by my invention.
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It has babies that can be split in 2.
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No really. It's totes epic and I will fight for its approval.
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Spoiler. The baby will die.
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On December 04 2013 18:38 Koshi wrote:
Spoiler. The baby will die.
Spoiler. After getting my nights sleep, I'm becoming interested in lynching you.
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EPT
