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Hey all, I'm here. I'm reading I have dick all idea of what has happened/is happening. I have some setup stuff (all I've read is the set up, sue me) which has probably been discussed but in case it hasn't needs to be discussed.
1) for my own personal benefit I'd like to request the list which I'm sure someone has of number/role claims.
2) this is a game where the sign up list can and will be changed. Does anyone have a record of the sign ups list at the beginning of d1? If so that should be made public as more information to town is good and I'll bet money that scum has the list (assuming they don't suck) so we won't be giving them anything by making it public.
More importantly I want that list public now so that in endgame 2v1 lylo we don't have some lazy townies who didn't pay any attention and will miss the modconfirmed scum because they couldn't be assed to do the work to find said scum.
In a game of this size I'm sure that by endgame, no matter how well or poorly town as a whole does the best and most involved townies will be dead. ces't la vie.
I'm going to be reading the thread, its my fiance's birthday and I've been partying with her all night but she is worn out and asleep now. I think I'll be able to read the whole thread tonight but we'll see. Is there anyone or anything I should be looking at particularly?
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On December 04 2013 15:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 15:03 Mocsta wrote:On December 04 2013 14:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Mocsta i am not saying i will not discuss things with you, because i am more than willing to do so.
I am just saying i am not going to yell here geript is scum and get into an argument with him because i don't want to do it now. Noted. I think that is a fair position (regarding Geript). I agree with his case breakdown though. Some of what you said is annoying as the end-user (e.g. shits on ya plan) .. but I dont see why a townie wouldnt/couldnt do that either. I don't care about someone telling me your plan is bad in case they have something better to offer. Which geript hasn't.
In theory, I don't dislike all of you plan. I just don't have a solid read on Koshi. Not sure I've played a game with him since nuclear. I didn't and don't like your push for graves ban; framer is a mostly worthless scum role IMO. I don't wholly trust you. I don't think your plan has been fully stated or pushed. Honestly I don't think a plan is fully required. I found it odd that you're not throwing your weight behind LSB more to push for claims (Vt or which role) as that was very influential in the last PYP but you seem to forget that.
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On December 04 2013 15:08 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 15:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 04 2013 15:03 Mocsta wrote:On December 04 2013 14:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Mocsta i am not saying i will not discuss things with you, because i am more than willing to do so.
I am just saying i am not going to yell here geript is scum and get into an argument with him because i don't want to do it now. Noted. I think that is a fair position (regarding Geript). I agree with his case breakdown though. Some of what you said is annoying as the end-user (e.g. shits on ya plan) .. but I dont see why a townie wouldnt/couldnt do that either. I don't care about someone telling me your plan is bad in case they have something better to offer. Which geript hasn't. I won't get into this too much (i.e. this is the last I will say). To me, ppl shit on plans all the time (in real life) cos its easy. Coming up with an alternative is always difficult, and often is what separates leaders from sheep. I think shitting on you would be malicious if you were discredited in the process. I dont recall this happening - hence null.
It's the reasoning. Saying "plan is bad, idk how you read Koshi" achieves nothing. Does he think Koshi is scum? If Koshi is scum how is my plan still bad? I explained how my plan is not bad even if Koshi is scum. If i have missed something and am wrong why not point out where i am going wrong with then?
Making general "you're dumb" or "that won't work" is same as saying nothing. If someone disagrees with something i would expect them to tell why. That's the point of mafia. 
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@Prome. LSB has been keeping up with the #'s and claims the best. Filter him. In my filter is a copy of the sign up list.
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I pushed for Kush earlier on, the problem is that the nice poem we got doesn't really include any analysis on bum's reads... it would also have been nice for Kenshi to tell us that poems is standard for bum a bit earlier, lol.
Re: Roffles Apart from that one post where he told gtr to off himself, he's been contributing though.
I'm also curious about this interaction between Roffles, kush and Oats, dunno how much I read into it. Roffles basically accuses kush of being scum, kush says no and then kind of defends Roffles by calling Oats dumb.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=66#1314
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I found it odd that you're not throwing your weight behind LSB more to push for claims (Vt or which role) as that was very influential in the last PYP but you seem to forget that.
I am tired of talkingabout claiming strategy. At least now i should be obvious people won't agree to certain strategy regarding claims so i couldn't care less to push something that will never be achieved.
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On December 04 2013 15:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:MZ what do you think of this: Show nested quote + I wonder what's up with the fact that VE in fact IS a highly influential player and capable of pushing lynches. Yet he did not try to push LSB lynch but still seemed to think LSB was a better lynch than bum. Do you think VE is just lazy or does he have some other agenda of not really wanting to lynch LSB? For me it didn't really seem like he was trying to lynch his top read.
yeah I agree with you actually. I had my vote on LSB and iirc there were a few others as well, if VE had really wanted to get a LSB lynch going (and that's what you usually do with your scumread), I would have expected to see a lot more out of VE to secure a lynch that imo should have gone through over bum. Saying he had an agenda is basically calling him scum imo so idk if I'd go that far to say he purposefully avoided it but it is strange.
fyi I read jcarl's filter and I don't have much to add, bum said some great stuff and I would not at all be opposed to a jcarl lynch but I feel LSB and geript possible are gonna be better lynches for tomorrow.
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On December 04 2013 15:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote + I found it odd that you're not throwing your weight behind LSB more to push for claims (Vt or which role) as that was very influential in the last PYP but you seem to forget that. I am tired of talkingabout claiming strategy. At least now i should be obvious people won't agree to certain strategy regarding claims so i couldn't care less to push something that will never be achieved.
So can you understand me saying "I want to lynch oats, that's not possible so I'd like to lynch Jay ."
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Yeah i worded that poorly. Basically i was trying to ask you if you think he is scum for it or not. idk what that means either, but worth keeping an eye on VE imo.
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On December 04 2013 15:11 Promethelax wrote:
Hey all, I'm here. I'm reading I have dick all idea of what has happened/is happening. I have some setup stuff (all I've read is the set up, sue me) which has probably been discussed but in case it hasn't needs to be discussed.
1) for my own personal benefit I'd like to request the list which I'm sure someone has of number/role claims.
2) this is a game where the sign up list can and will be changed. Does anyone have a record of the sign ups list at the beginning of d1? If so that should be made public as more information to town is good and I'll bet money that scum has the list (assuming they don't suck) so we won't be giving them anything by making it public.
More importantly I want that list public now so that in endgame 2v1 lylo we don't have some lazy townies who didn't pay any attention and will miss the modconfirmed scum because they couldn't be assed to do the work to find said scum.
In a game of this size I'm sure that by endgame, no matter how well or poorly town as a whole does the best and most involved townies will be dead. ces't la vie.
I'm going to be reading the thread, its my fiance's birthday and I've been partying with her all night but she is worn out and asleep now. I think I'll be able to read the whole thread tonight but we'll see. Is there anyone or anything I should be looking at particularly?
(1) See LSB filter
(2) First draft pick list is around page31 I think.. or alternatively filter OP 3rd post = Mid or Feed
(3) I'm really struggling to read LSB in general, so if you want to put a fresh perspective that I would appreciate it.
Otherwise, some Persons of Interest to consider:
Kush, Jay, Jonnylaw, some say Geript or VE.
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On December 04 2013 15:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 15:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:MZ what do you think of this: I wonder what's up with the fact that VE in fact IS a highly influential player and capable of pushing lynches. Yet he did not try to push LSB lynch but still seemed to think LSB was a better lynch than bum. Do you think VE is just lazy or does he have some other agenda of not really wanting to lynch LSB? For me it didn't really seem like he was trying to lynch his top read. yeah I agree with you actually. I had my vote on LSB and iirc there were a few others as well, if VE had really wanted to get a LSB lynch going (and that's what you usually do with your scumread), I would have expected to see a lot more out of VE to secure a lynch that imo should have gone through over bum. Saying he had an agenda is basically calling him scum imo so idk if I'd go that far to say he purposefully avoided it but it is strange. fyi I read jcarl's filter and I don't have much to add, bum said some great stuff and I would not at all be opposed to a jcarl lynch but I feel LSB and geript possible are gonna be better lynches for tomorrow. Where did your D1 magic VE read evaporate to?
Where is foundation to lynch Geript built?
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On December 04 2013 15:19 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 15:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: I found it odd that you're not throwing your weight behind LSB more to push for claims (Vt or which role) as that was very influential in the last PYP but you seem to forget that. I am tired of talkingabout claiming strategy. At least now i should be obvious people won't agree to certain strategy regarding claims so i couldn't care less to push something that will never be achieved. So can you understand me saying "I want to lynch oats, that's not possible so I'd like to lynch Jay ."
The problem is you never even made a case on Oats. The "case" is spread all over your filter and it was really hardfor me to find why do you even think he is scum. Then you just proceeded into saying "Oats is scum" and a bit later "well Oats is not gonna get lynched, so let's lynch a lurker.. like jay".
I don't think you are very commited into wanting to lynch scum..
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MZ filter me before you say more things you'll come to regret later.
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I was fighting sandroba most of the day on my phone over LSB vs Bum, and gave up finally when I /had/ to get some stuff done IRL. I was here, but because I thought Bum was scum I had no desire to continue saying the same things over and over again to Sandroba. I think he's town, and when he's town he's pigheaded and doesn't listen to me because he thinks I'm stupid.
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Ugh, actually i doubt VE would pick parity cop as scum at draft #3.
VE i did go to your filter, didn't read it. Found out that austin is likely to be scum. :p
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[QUOTE]On December 04 2013 15:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 04 2013 15:19 geript wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 04 2013 15:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[quote] I found it odd that you're not throwing your weight behind LSB more to push for claims (Vt or which role) as that was very influential in the last PYP but you seem to forget that. [/quote]
I am tired of talkingabout claiming strategy. At least now i should be obvious people won't agree to certain strategy regarding claims so i couldn't care less to push something that will never be achieved.[/QUOTE]
So can you understand me saying "I want to lynch oats, that's not possible so I'd like to lynch Jay ."[/QUOTE]
The problem is you never even made a case on Oats. The "case" is spread all over your filter and it was really hardfor me to find why do you even think he is scum. Then you just proceeded into saying "Oats is scum" and a bit later "well Oats is not gonna get lynched, so let's lynch a lurker.. like jay".[quote]
So does that make me scum?
[quote]I don't think you are very commited into wanting to lynch scum..[/QUOTE]
Does that make me scum?
Here's the thing that, yes once cooler heads prevail mine included, that thinking someone is scum doesn't magically make them scum no matter how much chezinu faith is put into that. Yah, I can recognize that. I hope if you're town you can too.
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Uhm.. not wanting to lynch scum usually does make people scum, no?
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Keep it down you two I'm trying to get some sleep. I don't mind if you talk, but if voices start to be raised I'm going to be pissed.
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It's ok VE. I'm done trying to talk to him. He can't be reasoned with.
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@mocsta still think VE is town, think it's strange he didn't hammer on LSB as rayns post implied ( if that's not the case I'll have to reevaluate).
I personally don't have foundation for a geript lynch but I've had a gut read all game and since people are discussing him I was gonna filter dive and see if there was foundation.
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