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On September 18 2013 19:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 07:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
got roleblocked last night
can veteran be roleblocked to die in 1 shot? Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 07:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
also whoever roleblocked me should come forward and confirm me, that would be great. Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 07:23 ShiaoPi wrote:On September 18 2013 07:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
got roleblocked last night
can veteran be roleblocked to die in 1 shot? yes Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 07:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
so there you have it, koshi didn't say he was rb'ed yesterday so he took 2 shots. there's the missing shot from yesterday. I would like to hear your thought process behind these posts vayne. To me this souds really odd because of the following: SnB was roleblocked N1. He was town. You were roleblocked N2. You know you are town. There was only 1 death N1. Town veteran died N2 with SnB. In any case, for you, there are 2 roleblock claims. SnB was town so he wa not lying. You should automatically assume Koshi was hit on N1 and N2. Why do you need to know if veteran ability can be blocked or not before you can say so, you were roleblocked, remember? Or are you scum, roleblocked Koshi on N2 and hit him, and now you are going "see guys, i am right" and fakeclaiming the roleblock? Also why would mafia not roleblock you if you are town?
I just spent the last 5 pages explaining it, you can't be serious right? read the thread moron
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Also was there a "well-written case" on Zealos anywhere, anytime? Or blubbers?
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On September 18 2013 23:45 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 19:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2013 07:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
got roleblocked last night
can veteran be roleblocked to die in 1 shot? On September 18 2013 07:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
also whoever roleblocked me should come forward and confirm me, that would be great. On September 18 2013 07:23 ShiaoPi wrote:On September 18 2013 07:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
got roleblocked last night
can veteran be roleblocked to die in 1 shot? yes On September 18 2013 07:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
so there you have it, koshi didn't say he was rb'ed yesterday so he took 2 shots. there's the missing shot from yesterday. I would like to hear your thought process behind these posts vayne. To me this souds really odd because of the following: SnB was roleblocked N1. He was town. You were roleblocked N2. You know you are town. There was only 1 death N1. Town veteran died N2 with SnB. In any case, for you, there are 2 roleblock claims. SnB was town so he wa not lying. You should automatically assume Koshi was hit on N1 and N2. Why do you need to know if veteran ability can be blocked or not before you can say so, you were roleblocked, remember? Or are you scum, roleblocked Koshi on N2 and hit him, and now you are going "see guys, i am right" and fakeclaiming the roleblock? Also why would mafia not roleblock you if you are town? I just spent the last 5 pages explaining it, you can't be serious right? read the thread moron
There is nothing else to say than: "I got roleblocked, that means scum hit Koshi on N1 and N2". Why did you even ask the hosts if vet can be roleblokced? What's the point?
You said "as Koshi did not claim roleblock on D2 it means he was hit on both nights". What? Like scum roleblock the veteran N1 and hit him on N2 and he dies? ROFLLLLL!
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On September 18 2013 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 23:45 VayneAuthority wrote:On September 18 2013 19:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2013 07:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
got roleblocked last night
can veteran be roleblocked to die in 1 shot? On September 18 2013 07:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
also whoever roleblocked me should come forward and confirm me, that would be great. On September 18 2013 07:23 ShiaoPi wrote:On September 18 2013 07:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
got roleblocked last night
can veteran be roleblocked to die in 1 shot? yes On September 18 2013 07:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
so there you have it, koshi didn't say he was rb'ed yesterday so he took 2 shots. there's the missing shot from yesterday. I would like to hear your thought process behind these posts vayne. To me this souds really odd because of the following: SnB was roleblocked N1. He was town. You were roleblocked N2. You know you are town. There was only 1 death N1. Town veteran died N2 with SnB. In any case, for you, there are 2 roleblock claims. SnB was town so he wa not lying. You should automatically assume Koshi was hit on N1 and N2. Why do you need to know if veteran ability can be blocked or not before you can say so, you were roleblocked, remember? Or are you scum, roleblocked Koshi on N2 and hit him, and now you are going "see guys, i am right" and fakeclaiming the roleblock? Also why would mafia not roleblock you if you are town? I just spent the last 5 pages explaining it, you can't be serious right? read the thread moron There is nothing else to say than: "I got roleblocked, that means scum hit Koshi on N1 and N2". Why did you even ask the hosts if vet can be roleblokced? What's the point? You said "as Koshi did not claim roleblock on D2 it means he was hit on both nights". What? Like scum roleblock the veteran N1 and hit him on N2 and he dies? ROFLLLLL!
once again, i already explained everything you just posted. learn 2 read
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On September 18 2013 23:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 23:36 Grackaroni wrote:On September 18 2013 23:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni actually after re-examining the end of D1 your vote-switch is fucking suspicious. You have your vote on scum. Then you sheep Pandain (your former scumread) to someone else because "he made some good posts and you think he is town". Because he had valid points and confidently expressed them. The manner in which Oats/WoS/Umasi planted their votes on BH at the time and then disappeared when nobody was pushing hard for his lynch with a well-written case made me think it was more likely that some players in that group were scum just pawning off their vote and that it was not a scum lynch. First of all it was me/Umasi/WoS who voted for OP at thet time. Oats had voted earlier, and gave reasons for his vote, the reasons were good. You also did agree with me earlier on when i talked about OP! What you just said is simply not true. Show nested quote +...as for OP, most of my reasoning is coming from Rayn but I did say before my dislike of OP's posting and added in my own points. Then there is this: Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 06:51 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm voting Zealous. Pandain is town and he has good points. What exactly were those good points Pandain brought up?
you voting for OP wasn't a suspicious vote because you had already started the case on him earlier in your filter. Oats kind of pushed him earlier but not nearly enough to convince others to vote for him.
The big post Pandain made about the votes falling in on OP too easily and the lack of people vocally defending OP.
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On September 18 2013 23:50 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 23:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2013 23:36 Grackaroni wrote:On September 18 2013 23:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni actually after re-examining the end of D1 your vote-switch is fucking suspicious. You have your vote on scum. Then you sheep Pandain (your former scumread) to someone else because "he made some good posts and you think he is town". Because he had valid points and confidently expressed them. The manner in which Oats/WoS/Umasi planted their votes on BH at the time and then disappeared when nobody was pushing hard for his lynch with a well-written case made me think it was more likely that some players in that group were scum just pawning off their vote and that it was not a scum lynch. First of all it was me/Umasi/WoS who voted for OP at thet time. Oats had voted earlier, and gave reasons for his vote, the reasons were good. You also did agree with me earlier on when i talked about OP! What you just said is simply not true. ...as for OP, most of my reasoning is coming from Rayn but I did say before my dislike of OP's posting and added in my own points. Then there is this: On September 14 2013 06:51 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm voting Zealous. Pandain is town and he has good points. What exactly were those good points Pandain brought up? you voting for OP wasn't a suspicious vote because you had already started the case on him earlier in your filter. Oats kind of pushed him earlier but not nearly enough to convince others to vote for him. The big post Pandain made about the votes falling in on OP too easily and the lack of people vocally defending OP.
And you bought that at face value given that:
1) You were suspicious of Pandain
2) Pandain was right there defending OP
3) At early on in the game when i voted for OP and gave my reasoning (which was in fact exactly what made people vote for him in the end) there were a lot of people arguing against OP being scum.
Makes sense how?
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On September 18 2013 23:49 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2013 23:45 VayneAuthority wrote:On September 18 2013 19:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2013 07:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
got roleblocked last night
can veteran be roleblocked to die in 1 shot? On September 18 2013 07:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
also whoever roleblocked me should come forward and confirm me, that would be great. On September 18 2013 07:23 ShiaoPi wrote:On September 18 2013 07:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
got roleblocked last night
can veteran be roleblocked to die in 1 shot? yes On September 18 2013 07:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
so there you have it, koshi didn't say he was rb'ed yesterday so he took 2 shots. there's the missing shot from yesterday. I would like to hear your thought process behind these posts vayne. To me this souds really odd because of the following: SnB was roleblocked N1. He was town. You were roleblocked N2. You know you are town. There was only 1 death N1. Town veteran died N2 with SnB. In any case, for you, there are 2 roleblock claims. SnB was town so he wa not lying. You should automatically assume Koshi was hit on N1 and N2. Why do you need to know if veteran ability can be blocked or not before you can say so, you were roleblocked, remember? Or are you scum, roleblocked Koshi on N2 and hit him, and now you are going "see guys, i am right" and fakeclaiming the roleblock? Also why would mafia not roleblock you if you are town? I just spent the last 5 pages explaining it, you can't be serious right? read the thread moron There is nothing else to say than: "I got roleblocked, that means scum hit Koshi on N1 and N2". Why did you even ask the hosts if vet can be roleblokced? What's the point? You said "as Koshi did not claim roleblock on D2 it means he was hit on both nights". What? Like scum roleblock the veteran N1 and hit him on N2 and he dies? ROFLLLLL! once again, i already explained everything you just posted. learn 2 read
Okay, let's talk about something else. This is going nowhere.
I made a post about people's reactions to N1 start OP's last second vote / his claim. Ignore my analysis on yourself, what do you think about it?
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On September 18 2013 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 23:50 Grackaroni wrote:On September 18 2013 23:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2013 23:36 Grackaroni wrote:On September 18 2013 23:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni actually after re-examining the end of D1 your vote-switch is fucking suspicious. You have your vote on scum. Then you sheep Pandain (your former scumread) to someone else because "he made some good posts and you think he is town". Because he had valid points and confidently expressed them. The manner in which Oats/WoS/Umasi planted their votes on BH at the time and then disappeared when nobody was pushing hard for his lynch with a well-written case made me think it was more likely that some players in that group were scum just pawning off their vote and that it was not a scum lynch. First of all it was me/Umasi/WoS who voted for OP at thet time. Oats had voted earlier, and gave reasons for his vote, the reasons were good. You also did agree with me earlier on when i talked about OP! What you just said is simply not true. ...as for OP, most of my reasoning is coming from Rayn but I did say before my dislike of OP's posting and added in my own points. Then there is this: On September 14 2013 06:51 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm voting Zealous. Pandain is town and he has good points. What exactly were those good points Pandain brought up? you voting for OP wasn't a suspicious vote because you had already started the case on him earlier in your filter. Oats kind of pushed him earlier but not nearly enough to convince others to vote for him. The big post Pandain made about the votes falling in on OP too easily and the lack of people vocally defending OP. And you bought that at face value given that: 1) You were suspicious of Pandain 2) Pandain was right there defending OP 3) At early on in the game when i voted for OP and gave my reasoning (which was in fact exactly what made people vote for him in the end) there were a lot of people arguing against OP being scum. Makes sense how?
1 and 2) Scum basically never come out like this and start hard defending a teammate this vocally. They think it will make them appear too scummy.
3) I don't remember anyone arguing that they thought Op wasn't scum except Koshi.
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Now I'm not so sure I have no idea what kind of plays Pandain is capable of making.
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On September 18 2013 23:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 23:49 VayneAuthority wrote:On September 18 2013 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2013 23:45 VayneAuthority wrote:On September 18 2013 19:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2013 07:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
got roleblocked last night
can veteran be roleblocked to die in 1 shot? On September 18 2013 07:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
also whoever roleblocked me should come forward and confirm me, that would be great. On September 18 2013 07:23 ShiaoPi wrote:On September 18 2013 07:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
got roleblocked last night
can veteran be roleblocked to die in 1 shot? yes On September 18 2013 07:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
so there you have it, koshi didn't say he was rb'ed yesterday so he took 2 shots. there's the missing shot from yesterday. I would like to hear your thought process behind these posts vayne. To me this souds really odd because of the following: SnB was roleblocked N1. He was town. You were roleblocked N2. You know you are town. There was only 1 death N1. Town veteran died N2 with SnB. In any case, for you, there are 2 roleblock claims. SnB was town so he wa not lying. You should automatically assume Koshi was hit on N1 and N2. Why do you need to know if veteran ability can be blocked or not before you can say so, you were roleblocked, remember? Or are you scum, roleblocked Koshi on N2 and hit him, and now you are going "see guys, i am right" and fakeclaiming the roleblock? Also why would mafia not roleblock you if you are town? I just spent the last 5 pages explaining it, you can't be serious right? read the thread moron There is nothing else to say than: "I got roleblocked, that means scum hit Koshi on N1 and N2". Why did you even ask the hosts if vet can be roleblokced? What's the point? You said "as Koshi did not claim roleblock on D2 it means he was hit on both nights". What? Like scum roleblock the veteran N1 and hit him on N2 and he dies? ROFLLLLL! once again, i already explained everything you just posted. learn 2 read Okay, let's talk about something else. This is going nowhere. I made a post about people's reactions to N1 start OP's last second vote / his claim. Ignore my analysis on yourself, what do you think about it?
pretty dumb, should probably focus on the actually important and scummy things like I have instead of one liner mod questions and one liners responding to a lynch. If that's how you find scum then no wonder you leave so many towns in disarray.
Just as a point, in my "analysis" you say that I ignore the most important point in the thread, when I have not even read it yet. Makes a lot of sense! Oh wait it's complete and utter shit.
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On September 18 2013 23:50 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 23:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2013 23:36 Grackaroni wrote:On September 18 2013 23:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni actually after re-examining the end of D1 your vote-switch is fucking suspicious. You have your vote on scum. Then you sheep Pandain (your former scumread) to someone else because "he made some good posts and you think he is town". Because he had valid points and confidently expressed them. The manner in which Oats/WoS/Umasi planted their votes on BH at the time and then disappeared when nobody was pushing hard for his lynch with a well-written case made me think it was more likely that some players in that group were scum just pawning off their vote and that it was not a scum lynch. First of all it was me/Umasi/WoS who voted for OP at thet time. Oats had voted earlier, and gave reasons for his vote, the reasons were good. You also did agree with me earlier on when i talked about OP! What you just said is simply not true. ...as for OP, most of my reasoning is coming from Rayn but I did say before my dislike of OP's posting and added in my own points. Then there is this: On September 14 2013 06:51 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm voting Zealous. Pandain is town and he has good points. What exactly were those good points Pandain brought up? The big post Pandain made about the votes falling in on OP too easily and the lack of people vocally defending OP.
Which was true and suspicious. (However I have learned that sometimes townies don't give reasonings as well).
The big three are Vayne, Zealos, and Kush.
If you think I'm mafia because I made logical points which happened to be unfortunately wrong(but not because of my logic), then I can't really say anything because I did indeed help save BH.
I am also way less suspicious of Kush now due to his plethora of contributions lately. In fact, the only thing I really have against him now is that he is having really bad reads as well as his scum slip early on. Also his early spam.
However Zealos is guilty of continual lurking, bad reads, and really everything + more than Kush. Zealos is suspicious in innumerable ways, and I'll just point out the ways in which he's been suspicious that you guys haven't noticed.
On September 14 2013 06:34 Zealos wrote:
Pandain seems town, so I guess I trust you. Whatever :3
##Vote: Kush
Speaks for itself
On September 14 2013 07:18 Zealos wrote:
I think OP/BH needs to die. Survivor = lynch
I doubt he even is Survivor. His attempt to argue his way out of it is crummy, at best. Get it?
##Predayvote:OP
vigipls
On September 14 2013 22:33 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 22:27 Koshi wrote:
Ah no. Pandain & SnB were pushing the Zealos lynch.
Grack is a poor bystander that trusted Pandain.
OP, SnB, Pandain, Zealos I'm ok with this if we kill SnB first
Ok with him being scum, doesn't make sense from town perspective. Also disagrees with his previous assertion that OP is a "pre day vote".
On September 15 2013 09:38 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2013 07:41 Old Partner wrote:
I'm not saying there's no reason to be suspicious of me-- there obviously is. 2 survivors in a game, especially a normal mini, is pretty rare. But it happens! ShiaoPi is crazy, he'd do it. I'm not confirmed scum. So given that there's a non-zero chance that I am who I say I am, all I ask is this: read what I have to say today. If you dismiss it, you dismiss it. But I will try to convince you to let me live. yeahh... no. Would still rather kill SnB tho.
Again disagrees.
This is okay in itself, townies change opinions and don't have to say why because the thought process is continual rather than in steps, and we don't even see all of those steps.
On September 16 2013 20:18 Zealos wrote:
I've changed my mind again.
If we don't kill OP today, we will look back at the end of the game and be like "How did we let a potential SK or Squm survive when at best they are a survivor"
However this post is so suspicious, OP was already going to be lynched, and this is bad reasoning to the extreme. Seems like a bad attempt to justify a lynch. I don't really see a townie justification, and the reasoning for that lynch is just so bad.
Finally I will note that his play this gamesharply contrasts with his two last town games(excluding bastard mafia which was an anomoly game anyway with weird roles and post requirements), game of thrones mafia, Paranoia Mafia, while being similar to his mafia play in Magic the Gathering Mafia, although a year ago.
Mainly they are different in that Zealos actually tried that game to help figure out stuff; this game there's no real effort. I don't consider his continual accusations of SnB, without any real attempt to get him lynched or convince others, as well as the lack to figure out other people, to disprove my conclusion.
I further disagree with PapaSmurf that even if it indicates he's SK that that means we try and lynch scum instead. If anything, we go straight for the SK so we lower the future KP.
Furthermore, I note that OP only bandwagoned Zealos when it was himself or Zealos, and so scum would logically choose to save the more experienced player as well as the godfather to boot.
Finally, I note that if Zealos turns out to indeed be scum, it helps analyze kush who's been defending him without legitimate reasons and is suspicious as already noted.
If Zealos turns scum , I would assume a Zealos-Kush-BH team as scum with Vayne as the SK.
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The reason I choose Zealos first is that he is the most suspicious. If new information comes out next night, it may help confirm/deny any more suspicions on Vayne or Kush. We should go with our strongest read right now, and mine is Zealos.
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I also am defending zealos.
What is this Pandain. Why are you so scummy?
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On September 18 2013 23:58 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2013 23:50 Grackaroni wrote:On September 18 2013 23:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2013 23:36 Grackaroni wrote:On September 18 2013 23:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni actually after re-examining the end of D1 your vote-switch is fucking suspicious. You have your vote on scum. Then you sheep Pandain (your former scumread) to someone else because "he made some good posts and you think he is town". Because he had valid points and confidently expressed them. The manner in which Oats/WoS/Umasi planted their votes on BH at the time and then disappeared when nobody was pushing hard for his lynch with a well-written case made me think it was more likely that some players in that group were scum just pawning off their vote and that it was not a scum lynch. First of all it was me/Umasi/WoS who voted for OP at thet time. Oats had voted earlier, and gave reasons for his vote, the reasons were good. You also did agree with me earlier on when i talked about OP! What you just said is simply not true. ...as for OP, most of my reasoning is coming from Rayn but I did say before my dislike of OP's posting and added in my own points. Then there is this: On September 14 2013 06:51 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm voting Zealous. Pandain is town and he has good points. What exactly were those good points Pandain brought up? you voting for OP wasn't a suspicious vote because you had already started the case on him earlier in your filter. Oats kind of pushed him earlier but not nearly enough to convince others to vote for him. The big post Pandain made about the votes falling in on OP too easily and the lack of people vocally defending OP. And you bought that at face value given that: 1) You were suspicious of Pandain 2) Pandain was right there defending OP 3) At early on in the game when i voted for OP and gave my reasoning (which was in fact exactly what made people vote for him in the end) there were a lot of people arguing against OP being scum. Makes sense how? 1 and 2) Scum basically never come out like this and start hard defending a teammate this vocally. They think it will make them appear too scummy. 3) I don't remember anyone arguing that they thought Op wasn't scum except Koshi.
Okay this is the chain of events in chronological order:
You change your vote on OP and give a reasoning for it. Oats makes a case on OP and votes for him. Then me/Umasi/WoS vote for OP. You have a scumread on SnB and Pandain. SnB starts a wagon on Zealos. Pandain joins the Zealos wagon and says "there is no resistance to OP lynch". What do you do after that? You agree with you scumread on a wagon that's been pushed by your other scumread! for what, "because there is no resistance on the dude's lynch i think is scum, besides the other two dudes i think are scum". What do you need, do your town reads need to oppose a scumlynch for you to think the lynch is in fact on scum?
Your voting behavior on D1 makes absolutely zero sense.
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Pandain is full of shit, Vayne cannot possibly be SK.
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Cursory analysis of the voting reveals that zealos literally cannot be scum. 3p yes, scum no.
I do like how pandain is going after the 3 easiest targets in the thread though. Note how Kush was the preferred mislynch of BH since day1 and most of his reads lined up with Koshi's (who was killed last night). Kush is also confirmed town. Vayne looks bad but he can't be SK and his play looked like SK more than scum to me.
Try again panda.
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hey rayn is finally paying attention, have a cookie!
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Grack's town too rayn srry.
panda/papa_smurf lookin bad tho.
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