EPTOn September 18 2013 23:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
I honestly think that this makes kush town.
I honestly think that this makes kush town.
I actually think you are right.
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raynpelikoneet
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Papa_Smurf
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On September 18 2013 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: debears talk with me okay? What do you think about the post i wrote about N1 reactions to BH's claim? Ignore kush talking about you being SK, what do you make of the argument between me and him? Kush has been shitting up the thread, especially since n2. Umasi and I have talked about it, hence umasi switching to kush ill keep saying this: kush is very likely scum | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On September 18 2013 23:12 Papa_Smurf wrote: Raynp a couple things: Assuming that the "good" (I think experienced is a better word since good is game by game) are not on the same side is a very dangerous line to walk. It may be the case this game, but not every game. also, assuming that the sk is one of the more experienced is 3p is wromg. Once you get into vet games the skill differencr isnt that great overall. Yeah you are right. I was trying to put myself into scum shoes on D1. I would never ever let D1 end + N1 happen as it did. Actually kush has some good points against Pandain & Grack. There are some seriously weird stuff they did on D1 end and on N1. I can even explain Grack's fakeclaim from mafia!pov but for this to hold water Vayne has to be scum. How about Vayne/Grack for scum, Pandain as SK? | ||
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kushm4sta
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raynpelikoneet
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On September 18 2013 23:14 Papa_Smurf wrote: Kush has been shitting up the thread, especially since n2. Umasi and I have talked about it, hence umasi switching to kush ill keep saying this: kush is very likely scum I do not think this is true. Kush is not shitting up the thread. He is providing reads with reasoning. Even if the reasoning behind these reads is bad, it does not make him scum. He is trying to push lynches on people who he thinks are scum. | ||
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Papa_Smurf
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On September 18 2013 23:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah you are right. I was trying to put myself into scum shoes on D1. I would never ever let D1 end + N1 happen as it did. Actually kush has some good points against Pandain & Grack. There are some seriously weird stuff they did on D1 end and on N1. I can even explain Grack's fakeclaim from mafia!pov but for this to hold water Vayne has to be scum. How about Vayne/Grack for scum, Pandain as SK? Funny thing is, if grack is scum, wouldnt kush be scum for bussing him? I can see vayne as scum. pandain as sk is possible, I would definitely label him as not scum | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On September 18 2013 23:19 Papa_Smurf wrote: Funny thing is, if grack is scum, wouldnt kush be scum for bussing him? I can see vayne as scum. pandain as sk is possible, I would definitely label him as not scum What speaks against PAndain not being scum if you don't buy my "experienced" theory? I mean, against Pandain there is most eveidence for scum. He switched his vote at the last second to save BH from getting lynched. | ||
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Sn0_Man
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Right now we are at 7-1-2 If we hit scum the SK just hits another town and we go to 5-1-1 which is actually kinda MYLO since a mislynch goes to 2-1-1 town lose right? So hitting scum takes us to MYLO Hitting SK takes us to 6-0-2 which is NOT MYLO since another mislynch is 4-2. TLDR: if we lynch scum then SK shoots town and we go to MYLO. BAD. Basically hitting the SK is like halfing scum KP since the SK is far more likely to be shooting town than scum right now. PS: Dibbers for SK is now the way I'm reading this game. More rereads required. | ||
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Sn0_Man
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Grackaroni
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On September 18 2013 23:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually, Grackaroni explain this post: Where do you get the idea that i would be bussing BH? It was not sure he was scum then. If i was scum and he was not, why is it fishy for SnB to assume i could be scum and BH is not? His 2 scum reads were on players who were very unlikely to be scum together because of the way you pushed BH. I wanted to find out if he thought you two were scum together (not something a townie actually reading the game should think) or if he just wasn't considering scum teams as a whole yet and was only looking at individual players. On September 18 2013 23:08 Oatsmaster wrote: I honestly think that this makes kush town. All he has been arguing is that I am scum because I moved my vote. That's not an argument that would be impossible for Kush to come up with if he was scum. I've been trying to piece together potential scum teams in my head and I see 2 likely teams. Zealos/Pandain. That last minute vote switch was utter chaos. Zealos- He hasn't given a shit about analyzing the game. I don't think that BH putting his vote on Zealos makes him town because BH really wanted to keep himself alive this game. He continued posting as if he were survivor all the way until the very end. I could definitely see BH throwing a weaker teammate under the bus in order to allow himself to stay in the game. Pandain hasn't been doing much analysis ever since BH went down. He was actively making analysis and trying to get people off of BH and ever since that he has seemed very demoralized. In order for this theory to be correct though there would have to be a lot of disorganization between BH and Pandain. Vayne/Kush- Vayne hasn't done jack shit as well recently, he has stuck to the same reads all game and he never truly sits down and tries to convince people that he is right about them. Vayne actually was doing something at the start of the game and since then he has seemed demoralized. Kush- Much like Vayne, Kush is sticking to these shitty reads, but he does try to push them and convince others he is right. He hasn't analyzed my meta or he chose to ignore it. Kush is definitely capable of doing what he has as scum because he hasn't had to actually read through the thread and come up with a reason for me being scum. All he did was say grack unvoted and press on about it. Vayne/Kush are both very protective of one another. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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raynpelikoneet
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Mafia hit does not go through for whatever reason on N1. They know it. They also know who they hit. What would you think in case you are scum: 1) Was the guy docced/jailed (not jailed unless scum hit SnB (lol) on N1)? 2) Is the guy bulletproof SK? 3) Is the guy veteran? What to do. Fakeclaim veteran for some bullshit reason (honestly Grack's reasoning for claiming was not that good). What happens next. Look at Koshi's response for the fakeclaim. It screams "fuck you, you are fakeclaiming, i am vet". Then Grack retracts from his claim and says "i was looking for reactions". Okay, what have we got here: 1) In case scum hit Koshi on N1. Good, we can safely assume he is a vet. Hit him again, he dies. (this means Vayne is probably town - why would scum block Koshi when he has no night life left?). 2) In case scum did not hit Koshi on N1. Good we now know who the SK most likely is. Or he was docced. We also figured out Koshi is the vet most likely. Roleblock + hit him the next night (he looks townie as fuck anyways) and have one of our team claim the roleblock. Vayne is under suspicion, looks really good on him! Except that Vayne's RB claim was full of shit. | ||
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Sn0_Man
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On September 18 2013 23:27 Oatsmaster wrote: We dont even know who the sk is. Well, SK hunt then. I'm saying that should be at least as high priority as finding scum. Admittedly finding scum is probably easier since there are 2 of them not 1 and since they have some association with BH we'd assume. Still, I'd rather lynch the SK by quite a bit. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Grackaroni
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Sn0_Man
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Damn I'd be interested in lynching Vayne if not for that. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On September 18 2013 23:34 Grackaroni wrote: Haha ok Rayn, I would never purposely pull myself into a situation where I would gain lots of attention/suspicion just so that I could figure out player's roles. Did you gain suspicion until now? No, you did gain town-credit. | ||
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Grackaroni
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On September 18 2013 23:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Grackaroni actually after re-examining the end of D1 your vote-switch is fucking suspicious. You have your vote on scum. Then you sheep Pandain (your former scumread) to someone else because "he made some good posts and you think he is town". Because he had valid points and confidently expressed them. The manner in which Oats/WoS/Umasi planted their votes on BH at the time and then disappeared when nobody was pushing hard for his lynch with a well-written case made me think it was more likely that some players in that group were scum just pawning off their vote and that it was not a scum lynch. | ||
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Grackaroni
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On September 18 2013 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Did you gain suspicion until now? No, you did gain town-credit. so what, I didn't think my claims would get town credit. That's the same reasoning as saying that you were wrong that scum would want to bus BH day2 and that they would actually want to be really indecisive and jump in on a last second vote switch because they got town credit from it now. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On September 18 2013 23:36 Grackaroni wrote: Because he had valid points and confidently expressed them. The manner in which Oats/WoS/Umasi planted their votes on BH at the time and then disappeared when nobody was pushing hard for his lynch with a well-written case made me think it was more likely that some players in that group were scum just pawning off their vote and that it was not a scum lynch. First of all it was me/Umasi/WoS who voted for OP at thet time. Oats had voted earlier, and gave reasons for his vote, the reasons were good. You also did agree with me earlier on when i talked about OP! What you just said is simply not true. ...as for OP, most of my reasoning is coming from Rayn but I did say before my dislike of OP's posting and added in my own points. Then there is this: On September 14 2013 06:51 Grackaroni wrote: I'm voting Zealous. Pandain is town and he has good points. What exactly were those good points Pandain brought up? | ||
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