EPTPTP IV - Demon's Run
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On June 22 2013 05:10 deconduo wrote: We're balancing the roles right now, roles will go out and day will start once we're done. By which he means: We're busy randomly assigning a Batman and Joker role which can't possible be real to mess with you guys  | ||
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On June 22 2013 11:04 Acrofales wrote: I'm home! Haven't read anything yet, but after umpteen scumgames and a fairly longish break, I finally rolled town! Also, in case this plan hasn't been proposed yet, I think everybody should say what character they made the role for. That way, if someone claims, someone else can back that shit up, or act as a lie detector. Or the scum can pick off the players that created their roles and they are free to use it as they wish or modify it with a fake claim. That's silly. | ||
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On June 22 2013 11:18 Acrofales wrote: So what? That limits them in who they can kill. Restricting scum is a good thing. You scum yourself? lol it doesn't limit who the scum can kill. Scum can kill whoever they want, but with your plan, they're not shooting blind. I don't even understand how your plan makes sense. Why can't we server as lie detectors after the claim, without all sharing who we made the role for? | ||
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On June 22 2013 11:59 Acrofales wrote: Only way Kita is retarded enough to do this is that he is either in xxx's scumteam or made the lovetap role. Just throwing that out there. Oh, and ##vote Kitaman27 On June 23 2013 02:27 Acrofales wrote: As for who I have suspicions about? I've mentioned them in my filter. SnB: I expect more from him. WoS: for fumbling over the tryhard pants. Zephirdd: for being angry at people for not posting anything useful while not posting anything useful. Slight pings on my scumdar: Kurumi: for being D1 Kurumi BC: for being D1 BC and coming up with a pretty bogus artificial reason for being against my plan. Xatalos: for seeming insincere in his early tryhard posts. FOS Acro for claiming to believe that I'm either scum or the xxx role creator and then proceeding to leave me off his list of suspicions. Makes me question whether or not his reads or real. I also think enough people have shot down his bad role claim idea that he doesn't need to continue pushing it. He is sharing enough opinions though that I don't want to lynch him yet though. Does anyone remember off the top of their head what was the game where tnkted (?) had that role where he had to get people to respond to his ## power in the thread? I had thought it was PTP 1, but apparently not. I don't like skater or WoS lynches right now. ##Vote Austin I think austin would be a good person to consider right now. He commented on a role plan that had already been beaten to death and that's about it. | ||
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On June 23 2013 05:48 Dandel Ion wrote: how do you know he doesn't have to post in the thread? Because he didn't? | ||
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On June 23 2013 05:53 Dandel Ion wrote: you must have missed where he claimed the fake shot which may as well have been a requirement for the fake shot too bad it was fake If it's fake I revoke my town read because he's wasting our time by saying its real. On June 23 2013 05:53 Acrofales wrote: He posted that thing in bold about Jack the Ripper. But he also never did something like ##shoot skater. He said that he is not Jack the Ripper, so any role cop that returns jack on him means he is instantly dead. I don't think a scum BC would take an unnecessary risk by lying without any clear reward. We could also have the role creator of Jack the Ripper claim to confirm whether or not his role works like that, but that doesn't work in the case of a scum buddy who created the role of BC creating it himself. On June 23 2013 05:54 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't like this post, kita. You worry me. You don't consider the fact at all that he did this knowing that one of his scumteam created the role or something? The real reasoning behind what BC did with the little information we got is very easy to obfuscate and you only consider the towny implications. And as someone just mentioned, how do you know he didn't have to post what he did about jack the ripper in the thread? It's possible his scum buddy created the role, but any investigative check on BC that returns Jack the Ripper means he dies without question. I addressed the scum implications in the post, explaining that the target would be a poor use of an extremely powerful role like a scum day vig. I don't know that the Jack the Ripper statement wasn't the day vig trigger, but it lacks a target, unless you count the quote. | ||
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On June 22 2013 07:42 Dandel Ion wrote: Look at austin. He's a dog person. that must mean he's town. You howver are a cat person. JUSTIFY THIS BULLSHIT On June 23 2013 07:10 Dandel Ion wrote: :333333 DANDEL POSTING CAT FACES!!!! | ||
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Catching up right now and will post my thoughts in a bit. | ||
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I think there are plenty of people that did a good job of looking obviously town on day one. We're in a good position because of that. Either BC is lying about the roleblock or the roleblocker anonymously saved Sk8rguy without claiming. Right now, I have a town read on BC due to the fact that he would have been making an unnecessary lie at little gain for himself. Plus the fact that there were multiple actions sent in leads me to believe the shot and block were real. The fact that the roleblocker has not claimed, makes me think that it was likely a scum roleblocker. If a town roleblocker saved Sk8r, he would have claimed to remove any unwarranted suspicion of Sk8r. A day blocker is hardly such a strong role in a game full of blues that it is worth a mislynch to keep your identity safe. The other alternative is that there is a scum roleblocker trying to save a town Sk8r in order to make him or BC look suspicious. From a mafia perspective, just letting Sk8r die would make more sense and make BC look bad in the process, which leads me to the conclusion that a scum roleblocker saved a scum Sk8r. Initially, I had a town read based on the way he was willing to attract attention to him by pushing BC and the way that he explained why he was using his role. However, based on the way that he moved off BC so easily explaining that he obviously wasn't going to get lynched and wanted to avoid a split vote is pretty scummy. As for the other people under suspicion... Between s0Lstice and Zeph, I think s0L is more likely to be scum. He is willing to call both BC and sk8r town, but doesn't really explain what happened to the roleblocker (unless he is the roleblocker himself). I don't follow his reasoning to come to a both town conclusion based on what he has shared. His vote on Zeph seems like he needs to come up with a lynch candidate and push it, but the reasoning he grabbed on to isn't very strong. He is pushing the Zeph lynch with too much confidence to think he was scum based on the reasoning provided, which is generally what I fall into as scum. Also, posts like these always seem like they are more likely to come from scum than town: Between On June 24 2013 02:45 s0Lstice wrote: wow this town is awful 1 day, 1 apple I still think we should resolve the Sk8r situation first based on my reasoning above. ##Vote Sk8r | ||
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On June 24 2013 04:09 s0Lstice wrote: Why the hell would I try to explain what happened to the roleblocker? I can make up a bunch of scenarios where the two of them can be either alignment based on what happened with the roleblocker, and not have any idea which is more likely, because its flippin PTP. I'm reading them like I'm not in PTP...like I said before, the old fashioned way. I kinda think you didn't even read my filter dude, because I've been over this.[/QUOTE] So it is your opinion that a town roleblocker saved Sk8r, but will not claim because he wants to see Sk8r burn at the stake? Or that a mafia roleblocker saved Sk9r because he wanted to lynch him rather than vig him? | ||
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On June 24 2013 04:11 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: Well I am L-3 Now. So might as well claim my RP name so the role creator at least will know how I survived. My role did not have any limitations on activating it at day. I planned on getting attacked and using my ability to mess up a scum kill. I will not reveal the actual role. I activated my ability to stay alive during the day. My role is NOT a roleblock, which is why I think BC lied or faked the attack. I am Sally Sparrow. So you said you were certainly dead, but have an ability to stay alive? Why lie? | ||
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On June 24 2013 04:15 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: Was not a lie. I initially assumed my role could not work at day. I pmed the mod for clarification, and since there was nothing saying I couldn't use it at day I used it. At what point did you receive a response? Please respond in 30 sec. | ||
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On June 24 2013 04:17 s0Lstice wrote: So it is your opinion that a town roleblocker saved Sk8r, but will not claim because he wants to see Sk8r burn at the stake? Or that a mafia roleblocker saved Sk9r because he wanted to lynch him rather than vig him? oh this is fun ...or one of the million lurkers we have has an automatic dayvig shutdown and hasn't been around to say anything about it or isn't caring/is checked out to the point that they don't realize that information would be pertinant right now? Like Xfire? your focus on this is silly [/QUOTE] So you're saying that there was a town dayblocker that happened to be around in time to save Sk8r, but hasn't returned in the thread since? That's a silly explanation. | ||
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On June 24 2013 04:18 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: I sent it at 5:09, received a response at 5:10 Could you give us how the role is worded? | ||
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On June 24 2013 04:19 s0Lstice wrote: So you're saying that there was a town dayblocker that happened to be around in time to save Sk8r, but hasn't returned in the thread since? That's a silly explanation. No, that the block was a passive ability that doesn't require any attention from the player at all to go through. I already outlined a possibility like this is my filter. Are you scum kita? You claimed to have just read me. [/QUOTE] Nope, are you omgusing me already just because I've shared a scum read on on you? How does it make sense for a player to own a passive "roleblock all vig shots" and not comment that they blocked the shots. Keep in mind it would require TWO people to remain silence since the role creator would also know of the passive block. I can't see how you can think this is the most likely scenario. | ||
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On June 24 2013 04:18 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: I sent it at 5:09, received a response at 5:10 As in 23 hours ago? What time zone are you referring to? | ||
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On June 24 2013 04:18 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: I sent it at 5:09, received a response at 5:10 And at what time did you activate your ability to become safe from all day shots? On June 23 2013 04:20 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: My role is pretty weak / lame. I just giving you my opinion, you know in this game that is based on opinions? Also, why are you informing the thread that your role is weak/lame if you're trying to draw a night hit at the same time? Wouldn't it make more sense to claim that your role is overpowered and game breaking? | ||
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On June 24 2013 04:43 gonzaw wrote: Damn I have to eat and watch Uruguay goddamit  Mercy! | ||
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So are you saying his role was responsible for the BC roleblock? | ||
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WoS, if you'll stop at nothing to see him flipped, why are you so quick to conclude that he's not getting lynched? | ||
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On June 24 2013 05:18 s0Lstice wrote: yea let's do SnB. that's not a bad lynch at all. /vote and unvote You are swapping to s&B because you want to avoid a no-lynch, yet your number one super duper scum read Zeph already has five votes? What happened? Why aren't you pushing his lynch anymore instead of swapping to the "lets lynch s&b because its better than nothing" wagon? | ||
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On June 24 2013 05:23 kitaman27 wrote: You are swapping to s&B because you want to avoid a no-lynch, yet your number one super duper scum read Zeph already has five votes? What happened? Why aren't you pushing his lynch anymore instead of swapping to the "lets lynch s&b because its better than nothing" wagon? Furthermore, your super dupper scum read is vote WITH YOU, to get s&b lynched. You don't find that strange? | ||
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On June 24 2013 05:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: There is no point in killing snb if he's not gonna even show up. So are you saying that Zeph is the only person you'd consider today? | ||
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On June 24 2013 05:32 gonzaw wrote: Doesn't matter it's alrady deadline right? o.O Since when do cycles end at :30? :p | ||
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On June 24 2013 05:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: So we're no lynching because people are stubborn. Great ^^ Great performance ^^ | ||
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On June 24 2013 06:21 geript wrote: Look guys, you don't understand the situation. So after the D&D game I went to Mcdonalds to have wifi because I thought the deadline was at 4 pm EDT (not 5 pm EDT). I ate a late lunch. I had to shit because I don't have a gallbladder anymore and wasn't going to use the crappy McDee's bathrooms so I sheeped Gonzaw and drove home thinking I'd have enough time to spare. However, I forgot that I needed to put gas into my car and practically shat myself while waiting. Once I got home, I just saw Sent's solstice kill on my phone and went to vote who I figured the switch would be to at the limit without time to go forward. Do what you will. You didn't notice the full page of votes on austin in the voting thread? | ||
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![[image loading]](http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/files/2012/12/tardis2.jpg) Whoever owns the TARDIS, please pass it to me tonight. I just need you to trust me on this one, but there will be evidence of its usage in the day post tomorrow and how it will clearly benefit town. Additionally, the role I created can ensure that I will be protected from night hits/busdrivers/roleblocks. I'm requesting protection from Strax tonight so I can pull of my ability with the TARDIS tonight. If I end up dead tomorrow, Strax is almost certainly scum. If there is a watcher role out there, it might be worth being on me as well, since it can essentially confirm me, Strax, and the Tardis owner as town if things go as planned. | ||
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On June 24 2013 10:08 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh i don't think I'm under suspicion solely because of that; it's my lower than normal activity this game and probable shitposting for half the game. Anyway, gonzaw can you answer the question I asked to no one in particular earlier? I'm curious as to what people might think. Generally it's a town thing to do since it means they are trying to either abuse the role through night actions or gain insight into your alignment. | ||
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On June 24 2013 07:44 kitaman27 wrote: This is important. Please read. Whoever owns the TARDIS, please pass it to me tonight. I just need you to trust me on this one, but there will be evidence of its usage in the day post tomorrow and how it will clearly benefit town. Additionally, the role I created can ensure that I will be protected from night hits/busdrivers/roleblocks. I'm requesting protection from Strax tonight so I can pull of my ability with the TARDIS tonight. If I end up dead tomorrow, Strax is almost certainly scum. If there is a watcher role out there, it might be worth being on me as well, since it can essentially confirm me, Strax, and the Tardis owner as town if things go as planned. Also, if the mafia team thinks they want to play any tricks with a scum Strax, I'm quite certain that I'm aware of his identity so I'll be revealing his name before the night post in case he decides not to give me safety tonight. I'll comment on yesterday's lynch in a bit. | ||
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I revealed it in order to inform Strax how to optimally use his role tonight so I can active the TARDIS ability. I can't be picked off tonight if he does, so that removes the worry  | ||
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On June 25 2013 04:16 gonzaw wrote: If I have time I'll look into kita as well. I'd recommend saving it for after the day post, assuming things work out as planned. Wouldn't want to waste your precious time after all | ||
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On June 25 2013 04:49 Dandel Ion wrote: BC, since your shot has been refunded, why did you never try shooting anybody else? lol that's actually a really good question. | ||
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On June 25 2013 04:59 kitaman27 wrote: lol that's actually a really good question. Furthermore, why not shoot sk8r again? | ||
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On June 24 2013 06:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Oh and to all the idiots talking about my "disapearence", I am on my phone, I was watching indycar and assumed that, with ten minutes left nothing was gonna happen and decided to come back after the day post. I find this post really fishy from Meapak. He states that he assumed that nothing was going to happen with 10 minutes left, yet with that much time left the lynch hadn't been decided, sol just role claimed doctor, and we were obviously looking to consolidate to a player. I find it hard to believe that a scum veteran like Meapak would simply walk away at a time where we are scrambling for a lynch target. Only 2 minutes before the sol flip Meapak made a post, so its pretty convenient that he disappeared. When he returns, he makes no attempt to call the last minute austin bandwagon scummy nor does he return with a strong town read on austin, which makes me think he is positioning himself for the worst if we were to go after austin today. Also, I would think that the mafia would have 2 kp in a game of this size. With only Acro flipping and WoS coming from Zeph, it seems that either Acro was double stacked, a hit is missing, or mafia only has 1 kp. | ||
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On June 25 2013 08:55 Dandel Ion wrote: Yes recently I've also become quite suspicious of meapak. Dunno why. -_- Suspicious as in, I don't buy his excuse for being afk, implicating austin. On June 25 2013 08:55 Dandel Ion wrote: Also the last of these cwazy erryone-gets-a-role games mafia KP was fixed at 1 and it was even bigger. There was a lot more dying going on though. If you're referring to Bastard Mafia, our kp started at 1, but jumped to 2 after a slight modification to the mafia database :p Overall Win Percentage (Minimum 10 games) + Show Spoiler + iGrok 88-2-1 = ALOT% DarthPunk 10/11 = 90.91% Incognito 8/10 = 80.00% Hapahauli 9/13 = 69.23% Divinek 8/12 = 66.67% GMarshal 11/17 = 64.71% Adam4167 7/11 = 63.64% OriginalName 10/16 = 62.50% Supersoft 10/16 = 62.50% syllogism 11/18 = 61.11% Bill Murray 15/25 = 60.00% marvellosity 15/25 = 60.00% GreYmist 6/10 = 60.00% Southrawrea 6/10 = 60.00% Pyrrhuloxia 6/10 = 60.00% | ||
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On June 25 2013 09:56 gonzaw wrote: 3)2 players that so far (since D1 ended) that have been very under the radar are Zepphird and Kurumi. Maybe we could kill one of those as well. Kurumi in particular. Zeph less so based on his interaction with Meapak. On June 25 2013 09:56 gonzaw wrote: 4)Vig shot on snb anyone? Or I guess he'll get replaced now since he's not showing up...in which case...vig shot on snb's replacement anyone? Why not call a vig on the player you think is most likely to be scum, rather than a random shot in the dark? | ||
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On June 25 2013 10:21 gonzaw wrote: Read guides, vig shots are not just an ego-boost to shoot people you think are scum Those guides are probably wrong then, | ||
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Also, town points for Sk8r for claiming to pass it to me. | ||
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Guys, Guys. Maybe you all just misunderstand me. When I said "Great performance", I really meant "lol Meapak so obviously scum". Gimme confirmed town status. 100% proof here. Stop grouping me with creeps like Crossfire, geript, and Kurumi. It makes my skin crawl. | ||
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On June 25 2013 22:13 Dandel Ion wrote: So how about this victory we're supposedly having right now. Doesn't apply to scum. Sorry, should have been more clear. | ||
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On June 25 2013 22:13 kitaman27 wrote: Doesn't apply to scum. Sorry, should have been more clear. Well perhaps it does. I'll have to get back to you on that one. | ||
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On June 25 2013 22:15 Dandel Ion wrote: That's fine, I'll unvote you when your amazing things that confirm you town and win the game for town come true. I said I'd consider letting you win! No need to be a jerk | ||
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On June 25 2013 22:17 Dandel Ion wrote: So you want to make scum win huh? Sorry, not on board. ^^ Great Performance ^^ (It's the sarcasm again) | ||
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BECAUSE ONLY I CAN DO THE CALLING FROM MY MAGICAL PHONE BOOTH LOLOL | ||
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The carpet bombing list is actually pretty close to what I'm thinking (without me of course. You wouldn't want to harm me!) | ||
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On June 25 2013 23:18 Kurumi wrote: As seen I am totally up for that. Kitaman27 was one of these baddies pushing me from the very start of their game so I hate them >:C Might want to fact check yourself on that one. | ||
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On June 25 2013 23:21 Dandel Ion wrote: It's really loving and peaceful. I'm totally loving and peaceful too! We should be friends. | ||
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BC is trying to put together a meta argument to call me scum without referencing a scum game. Unfortunately, I can only call him bad, rather than scum. Time for Logic 101, with Professor Kita! In game X, Kita was town. Kita is not playing like game X. Therefore, Kita is scum. Who can spot the fallacy? Anyways, I'll provide an explanation when I get out of work tonight. | ||
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On June 26 2013 00:44 austinmcc wrote: For anyone halfway following, BC voted for kitaman yesterday, and I made kitaman a vet last night. He didn't claim it last night, which is fine, because announcing you're a vet sort of negates it. But he didn't say today "Hey guys, someone made me a vet last night," which is NOT cool because he's hiding information that doesn't really affect the game going forward. Not sure what this is a reference to. I didn't receive any notification that I was a vet last night. | ||
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On June 22 2013 10:25 kitaman27 wrote: I can't hold back. ##Vote gonzaw Breadcrumbed it with my first post from everyone's favorite 80's hit single: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Can't_Hold_Back My win condition is to obtain the TARDIS and survive until endgame. I managed to meet the first condition on night one so now I'm just along for the ride. I also baited the medic role that I created to protect me last night because I didn't want to claim until after the TARDIS was passed to me and getting picked off n1 would have been lame. I don't even have to hold the TARDIS at endgame, so I'll pass it off tonight as a sign of good faith. I can win with either faction (so don't shoot me plz mafia), but based on how mafia likely started that ugly bandwagon on me to save austin, I'll offer town my services free of charge I'm open to any investigative checks if you feel like wasting your night action, but it will return third party. For the conspiracy theorists that think I planned this from the start, go away. Please note, that if I post in text that is red or green, the message is intended only for the corresponding faction. If you are not part of this faction, I trust you to ignore it. For example, You guys should totally shoot BC instead of myself tonight. Or I think mafia is going to shoot BC. Just a hunch. Good Luck! | ||
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gonzaw gonzaw cared about who was going to be lynched on day one and that's one of the most important things I look for in town. Even if a mafia player has an interest in swapping the lynch, they usually don't want to be the head person in charge unless it's a bus, since it makes them look bad after the flip. With gonzaw trying to get votes to achieve a majority and typing in caps, it makes me feel like his interest was genuine. austinmcc Re-posting on how Meapak's actions likely implicated austin: On June 25 2013 08:50 kitaman27 wrote: I find this post really fishy from Meapak. He states that he assumed that nothing was going to happen with 10 minutes left, yet with that much time left the lynch hadn't been decided, sol just role claimed doctor, and we were obviously looking to consolidate to a player. I find it hard to believe that a scum veteran like Meapak would simply walk away at a time where we are scrambling for a lynch target. Only 2 minutes before the sol flip Meapak made a post, so its pretty convenient that he disappeared. When he returns, he makes no attempt to call the last minute austin bandwagon scummy nor does he return with a strong town read on austin, which makes me think he is positioning himself for the worst if we were to go after austin today. He claims to want to push off the sk8r lynch because people he trust are reading sk8r differently. Why does it matter if someone like BC or Acro. A town austin would come to his own conclusions and then attempt to convince the person that disagrees with him to vote together. You don't push the lynch off because of a disagreement. Take a look at this post about events of the end of day one: post This post may look long and impressive, but it is 100% a summary. He hardly draws any conclusions or analysis based on the events. He doesn't call players scummy for voting him last minute, he doesn't call Meapak or geript town for not being around to hammer. Instead, he asks a few questions about crossfire, without really sharing an opinion about that either. He was all aboard the Zeph lynch yesterday, but wasn't around to push it at the end of the day. Today he hasn't even mentioned Zeph. He hasn't mentioned if his read changed or anything. He votes me for weak reasoning. WaveofShadow It seems pretty silly for Meapak to spend so much time writing a case like that against Wave only to have it be a bus. It would have taken hours to write that up and as evidenced by his day one play, Meapak is usually too lazy/busy as scum to pull off something like that. I'm still not quite clear if he is still part of the game, but it's not worth my time to filter him to find out. kitaman27 See! My name has green in it! That must mean I want to work together. I considered playing things out normally without claiming, playing the lurker card and contributing enough to not get lynched, but it was the night hits that I was really worried about. Even if I'm useless, I'm sometimes picked off for no real reason (aka Carnival) and I'd to be playing pretty sketchy to not be considered for a hit by day six or seven. At the point, everyone would go into paranoia mode about why I haven't been hit or why I haven't contributed, which would probably get me lynched. This would have been a lot easier as a smurf. -_- BloodyC0bbler Shot Meapak. Had his shot blocked yesterday. Town enough to not waste my time on him. xxSK8rGUy277xx My thoughts on him are pretty much in line with what I thought yesterday. You can replace "roleblock" with "shot refunded", but essentially they are the same thing. Either BC is lying about the roleblock or the roleblocker anonymously saved Sk8rguy without claiming. Right now, I have a town read on BC due to the fact that he would have been making an unnecessary lie at little gain for himself. Plus the fact that there were multiple actions sent in leads me to believe the shot and block were real. The fact that the roleblocker has not claimed, makes me think that it was likely a scum roleblocker. If a town roleblocker saved Sk8r, he would have claimed to remove any unwarranted suspicion of Sk8r. A day blocker is hardly such a strong role in a game full of blues that it is worth a mislynch to keep your identity safe. The other alternative is that there is a scum roleblocker trying to save a town Sk8r in order to make him or BC look suspicious. From a mafia perspective, just letting Sk8r die would make more sense and make BC look bad in the process, which leads me to the conclusion that a scum roleblocker saved a scum Sk8r. Initially, I had a town read based on the way he was willing to attract attention to him by pushing BC and the way that he explained why he was using his role. However, based on the way that he moved off BC so easily explaining that he obviously wasn't going to get lynched and wanted to avoid a split vote is pretty scummy. When crossfire explained to have created his role, it never explained why BC's shot was refunded. In fact, everyone is still in the dark about why sk8r is still alive if he wasn't responsible for saving himself. That likely means that either BC or sk8r is lying and sk8r is the obvious choice between the two. He claimed to been trying to draw a night hit, yet claims in the thread that he has a weak role. THESE TWO STATEMENTS DIRECTLY CONTRADICT. He also claims to have activated his day protect after BC's shot was refunded, which makes no sense. Why tell the thread? At first, I was having second thoughts about him since he was given the TARDIS to start the game and it would be weird for the scum to start with it, but then I realized that it would make more sense with the TARDIS's built in mechanism to prevent the mafia team from passing it to each other night after night. Furthermore, sk8r failed to even mention the TARDIS to town, when it is such a strong ability. | ||
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On June 26 2013 05:38 geript wrote: meh I wanna do shit ##Mortal kombat Kita and shit bongo bongo. This creates a random vote thing from 3 ppl. Whoever has more votes gets killed and stuff. That's not the correct trigger phrase, but are you seriously using your day-vig on the claimed survivor? Not only is that suboptimal play, its just cruel to me, making it essentially the only way I can't win the game now that I have the TARDIS. On June 26 2013 05:43 austinmcc wrote: (1) kita is super worried about NKs, despite their being players who look far more townie / are doing more pro-town stuff with their activity. He's been around a long time, but so have other players this game, so it's not a case of him just getting popped for being veteran-y Oh really? I shouldn't have to worry about night kills even if I'm only half active? That's exactly when the mafia team goes after you when there are no medics. On June 26 2013 05:43 austinmcc wrote: (2) kita was going to wait and claim N2 because ... he didn't want to be NKed. He could have claimed immediately if that's his only concern. Again, according to him, once he got the TARDIS, all he does is try to survive. No reason to wait 48 hours before saying "Oh hey guys, I'm a survivor, mafia please don't kill me." lol I was breadcrumbing survivor all day. "victory is at hand" --> in reference to receiving the tardis "Victory only applies to town, or does it, I'll have to get back to you?" --> in reference to being able to win with both factions It's not like I can ask for the TARDIS with my super plan and hope the thread forgets about it for 5 cycles. I was obviously planning to claim. On June 26 2013 05:43 austinmcc wrote: (3) I still actually really dislike the not vigging snb comments. They don't jive AT ALL with what I understand to be conventional wisdom held by respected players. Show me a respected player that disagrees with my assessment that scummy players should be vig shot. Cmon now, you're just terrible. On June 26 2013 05:43 austinmcc wrote: Hey hey, again, important. Kita as 3P survivor has no reason to care whether or not snb gets shot. No matter who is vigged, kita is 1 person closer to fulfilling his wincon. But he picks a fight over that, like, seriously responds to your comments. His response there is no a 3P survivor response. It's the response of someone concerned with what happens to other players. Just because I'm 3P doesn't mean that I'm completely useless. I'm not Palmar after all. I still share town's best interest at heart. On June 26 2013 05:43 austinmcc wrote: He's not a survivor. He didn't claim the moment he could have, for a bad reason. He expressed interest in things that a survivor wouldn't care about. So I breadcrumbed survivor in my first post, came up with an elaborate story about needing the TARDIS to obtain the 1 night medic protection, and then claimed for giggles? BC made it completely clear that he thought I was siding with thread sentiment on day one. That completely matches the actions of a survivor. You on the other hand are scum. | ||
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On June 26 2013 07:24 Crossfire99 wrote: Lol. I don't have that much time. I will say that I'm actually not sure about sk8r now. I need to ask him some questions when he gets back in the thread. Something kita said made me think of something. Other than that I'd be down for austin today. I don't think I'd do anyone else barring a good case. Hey, look! The guy who would be totally down for austin today, just voted to vig me. Me and austin must be scum buddies right? That makes complete sense. He doesn't even blink. @gonzaw, I'm the Fallen Angel | ||
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I can confirm what Sk8r said is true about the fact that mafia cannot activate the device twice in one cycle without the passing being randomized. I'll name the player that I will be passing the device to before the deadline, to prove that both Sk8r and myself are not scum buddies. If he flips scum like I predict, maybe we can finally end the survivor witch hunt. In other fantastic news, Sk8r's clarification has probably saved my life as I can now activate the self-protect from the TARDIS to save myself from geript's kp. I probably shouldn't be telling town this as it opens me up to a risk lynch, but hopefully you guys will take the fact that I'm not holding onto the TARDIS myself as a sign of good faith, considering how powerful it's confirmation abilities are. For the people that are saying that I need to be lynched before LYLO, I don't really understand why. You mentioned that you want to avoid a kingmaker scenario, but if you're going to lynch me, it essentially brings you one cycle closer to LYLO since it means that you can't use it on a scum lynch, the mafia team get an extra cycle of night hits, and mafia vote ratio improves. Even if we reach kingmaker, I'll still vote with town. Looking back through TL's history of survivors, nearly all of them side with town. What is the point of playing this game if there is no scum hunting objectives. It's not like I've even played anti-town this game. I've shared my suspicion of Meapak 3 different times. I've shared my suspicion of Sk8r at least five times. I still plan to share my reads on the remaining half of the players when I have time, but it seems silly that people are expecting the survivor to do all the work, while the rest of town sits around and does nothing. Why exactly is a pro-town third party role leading the lynch anyways? You guys do realize that the mafia kp is likely on the line this cycle? People are saying that this could be some elaborate plan to survive to endgame as scum, but is that really the scenario that is most likely? Am I really the player most likely to flip scum remaining in this game? That's nonsense. | ||
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Does anyone want to reconsider the vote and just shoot geript instead? Dandel, you included him in your carpet bomb list, didn't you? What is there even to call BS about? It's not just me describing how the TARDIS works, its also Sk8r. I've already explained how the device can be used to prove that we aren't scum buddies and even if you think we are scumbuddies, the third player to receive the device can confirm what we're saying. Are you even bothering to think about this logically or are you falling into the scum trap of tunneling the third party all game long because you don't want to have to push actual scum reads. | ||
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Hopefully if Sk8r flips mafia, Kurumi can verify the anti-mafia clause that should confirm me as not being Sk8r's scum buddy. | ||
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I regret to inform you that you are in a sticky spot. Hope is not lost however! While I will take credit for busing myself with DI, my alignment has not changed. I am still a survivor. My goal is to reach LYLO as quick as possible, putting town and mafia in a position where they have no choice, but to work with me, while eliminating threats to myself. The statement that I have decided to side with mafia is false. If that were the case, I would have taken out BC or gonzaw. These players are reasonable and I see no need to eliminate them. I eliminated a player that brought no value to town and seems to have a personal vendetta against myself. However, even if you cut the head off a cockroach, it will still run around aimlessly for a while. Dandel is the type of player that would rather see myself lynched over all else, even if it resulted in a mafia victory. Do I even need to remind you guys that his town flip was fake? In regards to choosing Kurumi to receive the TARDIS, the town is obviously ignoring the most powerful aspect of the device, but I'll nudge you guys in the correct direction. The TARDIS may not be passed by scum players two consecutive cycles. At the same time, it's protective abilities may be targeted to save any player. BC does not need to hold the device to receive it's benefits and there is little point in using the alignment check aspect of the device on a player that has already shot mafia. Kurumi, it would be super duper awesome if you protected me from all these baddies that can't seem to realize that I'm just a peaceful, loving survivor. Right now I suspect that the numbers are 5v3v1. Assuming night hits go through, town will certainly lose if they shoot me tonight or lynch me tomorrow. I'm willing to work with you guys, but not if I have to spend the entire cycle defending myself against conspiracy theories. I have done nothing this game that does not reflect my alignment as a survivor. Killing DI does not make me scum. Perhaps our mafia companion explains things best: On June 26 2013 05:43 austinmcc wrote: This is important. Kita has said he's a survivor, 3P, all he has to do is survive. He's got NO REASON to not want snb shot in that position. Hey hey, again, important. Kita as 3P survivor has no reason to care whether or not snb gets shot. No matter who is vigged, kita is 1 person closer to fulfilling his wincon. But he picks a fight over that, like, seriously responds to your comments. His response there is no a 3P survivor response. It's the response of someone concerned with what happens to other players. | ||
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By the way, geript and Dandel have a resurrection role. Do you guys really think town got two of them? Sk8r, austin, and kurumi all have gift roles. Do you guys really think town got three of them? zzz | ||
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On June 27 2013 22:22 WaveofShadow wrote: If he really wanted to work with us as 3P then he could have ensured his own survival by, ya know, NOT KILLING ONE OF US. Not my fault you masked the alignment and revived my scum snipe. That's your problem. On June 27 2013 22:32 WaveofShadow wrote: we deserve to lose honestly. You said it, not me. On June 27 2013 22:30 WaveofShadow wrote: Sorry for triple post. There is zero reason why you'd kill someone like that if your wincon wasn't either mafia or to be sole survivorn which means we kill you either way. Zero reason for a survivor to kill Dandel? Let me list you a few: On June 25 2013 20:09 Dandel Ion wrote: Process of Elimination yay not really town: kitaman27 On June 25 2013 22:15 Dandel Ion wrote: That's fine, I'll unvote you when your amazing things that confirm you town and win the game for town come true. On June 25 2013 22:20 Dandel Ion wrote: I'm sorry you draw scum so often. Must be tough. On June 25 2013 22:23 Dandel Ion wrote: But I'll make the remaining scumteam kita, austin and snb now. On June 26 2013 04:43 Dandel Ion wrote: So basically we have to lynch kita before LYLO anyways. No need to procrastinate it further imo. On June 26 2013 04:52 Dandel Ion wrote: You know kita also tried too hard to be funny look where that got him On June 26 2013 06:28 Dandel Ion wrote: I sent in kitaman, which hopefully lynches him now. On June 27 2013 08:35 Dandel Ion wrote: Lynch kita On June 27 2013 08:38 Dandel Ion wrote: Hey so how about lynching kita like I told you. But mostly for this post On June 26 2013 04:52 Dandel Ion wrote: You know kita also tried too hard to be funny look where that got him Now stop baiting me into posting. I won't have time for my 5k post until tonight and I don't want to waste it chatting with a rotten stump. | ||
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There are so many posts declaring me as mafia, that I'm nearly convinced myself. Let me go check my role pm. Nope still a survivor. geript mafia? Now that's a shocker. Silly mafia always seem to tunnel in on the third party players. Toodles. | ||
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On June 27 2013 22:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Better write up your 5k post now so you can be free to respond to me with more waving of your arms and flailing about, scum. ![[image loading]](http://www.johnlund.com/Cafepress/ImagesCp/African-elephant.jpg) | ||
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On June 28 2013 12:19 gonzaw wrote: kita, I don't see "PTP 4: Demon's Run" in you 5K blog You should edit it in, and please explain how you managed to work with your awesome scumbuddies to play this awesomely! Please post their names, you see, I have a bad memory and I don't want to search the game itself to see who you were scum with. Silly me! Oh a bad memory? That explains things! For a moment, I assumed you actually thought I was mafia, but in reality, you just don't have a clue what has happened this game. | ||
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On June 22 2013 05:23 kitaman27 wrote: By which he means: We're busy randomly assigning a Batman and Joker role which can't possible be real to mess with you guys My role was based on the TARDIS, which nobody else could have possibly known about. The fact that kurumi received a message that I had drained the TARDIS once I reached part of my win condition essentially confirms that I'm third party, unless you think the town flip is lying or something. On June 04 2013 06:37 deconduo wrote: ????? You win if you are alive at the end of the game and have fulfilled your victory condition. The OP even confirms that the third party role in this game is a survivor, but continue spewing your nonsense about me being mafia, even though Meapak, geript, and likely the remaining mafia members all were trying to get my lynched the first two cycles of the game. | ||
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I'm not playing for scum. Me getting lynched means scum wins and I lose. Suppose I had shot someone like austin. Then town has an extra lynch to spare and suddenly it's fine to kill off the survivor. As you said yourself, "gotta kill me before lylo". Well now killing me before lylo is no longer an option. | ||
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On June 28 2013 23:44 gonzaw wrote: kita be delusional as you want, you WILL die before the game is over, so you better reread your role PM more carefully and hope it actually said "Church" instead of "Survivor" Anyways fuck this game I have no strength to figure out who is the remaining scum, all 3 of Xfire/Xata/austin are scummy shits 99% of the time and slightly townie shit like 1% of the time. I just can't bother anymore So you honestly think that at least 2 of Xfire/Xata/austin are town? And you're calling me the delusional one? :p | ||
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On June 29 2013 00:18 Crossfire99 wrote: No, I mean why did kurumi say its energy was drained? What does that mean? That I reached the first part of my win condition by using the TARDIS? | ||
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On June 29 2013 00:21 Crossfire99 wrote: Does that mean that it can't be used anymore? Not that I'm aware of. | ||
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geript, xfire, and I are scum buddies. I decide to claim in the thread about the TARDIS, knowing that xfire created it, because outing two scum members is totally worth the one-shot medic protect. xfire decided to claim in the thread that he created the TARDIS role to implicate himself, because why not?! Kurumi is lying about the TARDIS getting drained because he likes to troll town and my role has nothing to do with the TARDIS. Geript decides to use his day vig power on myself, knowing that I have the bus drive ability and can bus the results of the vote to any player, but rather than challenging someone like Sk8r and busing a shot from Sk8r to BC anonymously, he wants to shoot his scum buddy and implicate the two of us even more. That's the most likely scenario? LOL | ||
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On June 29 2013 01:34 gonzaw wrote: You are 3P survivor, why do you give a shit what we think of Xfire if you win either way? Why would you get nervous just because some townie is speculating about some random players you SHOULDNT care about? You havent' posted ANY interesting thing at all until right now, yet a random townie accuses some other random townie/scum and suddenly you come out of nowhere to defend him? Huh kita? Mind explaining that to me? lol I'm defending myself, not xfire. We aren't scum buddies. On June 29 2013 01:44 gonzaw wrote: You are indeed getting too nervous for being the "cool 3P survivor that doesn't give a shit about the game" Who said I don't care about the game? I certainly do care whether or not I win. On June 29 2013 02:37 Dandel Ion wrote: He's scum-aligned survivor even if he is that, so it doesn't matter. lol go away. | ||
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On June 29 2013 02:51 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm still with DI, I want kita dead. This game becomes infinitely easier to figure out once he is Haha best reasoning ever. If we just reach the endgame post, we can figure everything out! | ||
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On June 30 2013 04:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: In my experience, RB's go through first. Better ask RoL :p | ||
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On June 30 2013 05:05 gonzaw wrote: BC, check that other shit out, geript is FORCED to vote kita, so we can kill kita without WOS sacrificing himself, so it'll be 4v2 tonight. geript has the protective role that I made him, won't work. | ||
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On June 30 2013 05:11 gonzaw wrote: arggh fuck I don't give a shit anymore, you may be scum, bc may be scum, fuck let's just kill kita: austin/BC please vote kita. Yeah a "protective" role that makes you invincible to lynches Like hell I'm going to believe that Xata's role deals a kp if you don't comply. Anyways, he was roleblocked. | ||
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On June 30 2013 05:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote: .............IF XFIRE IS TOWN, YOU ARE TOWN, I AM TOWN, AND AUSTIN IS TOWN WE KILL GERIPT Well 2/4 isn't bad. | ||
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On June 30 2013 05:16 gonzaw wrote: Xfire, answer me this: If Sk8 is town, if you are town, if kita's role is the one Zepphird made (and Zepphird never made any mention about the TARDIS in it), how in hell could scum kita possibly know about the TARDIS back in N1? You must have hit a nerve. | ||
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On June 30 2013 05:17 Crossfire99 wrote: We kill kita today. It doesn't matter if he is 3rd party because he still counts towards scum majority. Then we kill geript tomorrow. If we don't win by then, then we figure out what is going on. WE LYNCH KITA TODAY! I'll give you a hint, scum players certainly count towards scum majority. Me, not so much. | ||
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On June 30 2013 06:10 Crossfire99 wrote: BC you think I'm town now? Ohhhhh.....I get it now. | ||
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On June 30 2013 06:12 gonzaw wrote: Because even if they didn't they would have to telepathically know they would have to vote BC and not some other random townie instead; you know....considering you are Survivor and have no contact with the scum team lol me and geript chatted up a storm. That coward. | ||
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On June 30 2013 06:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Nice OP role you made Kita -_- Hosts buffed it with that absorb kp stuff. I made him as a martyr revive/1 shot mortal combat. | ||
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On June 30 2013 06:18 kitaman27 wrote: Hosts buffed it with that absorb kp stuff. I made him as a martyr revive/1 shot mortal combat. WHICH HE DECIDED TO USE ON HIS MASTER. Must have thought he deserved wages and stuff. LOL. | ||
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On June 30 2013 08:20 gonzaw wrote: I kind of wonder how I wasn't FOSED for saying that sk8 lied about my role when the hosts apparently said he didn't lol (sk8 said he made me a veteran lookout or some shit who gets info about roles) FOS gonzaw | ||
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On July 01 2013 03:54 Crossfire99 wrote: Oh, I think I also figured out how Kita as scum could have figured out about the TARDIS. So kita masoned solstice day 1, solstice was given the TARDIS by sk8r, solstice told kita this, kita then killed solstice to try get the TARDIS randomly when solstice died. solstice couldn't have obtained the TARDIS until night 1 (he was dead by then). Pretty sure this was already pointed out at some point in the thread. | ||
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On July 01 2013 05:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote: bc just got home from work. -_- BC can do one of three things tonight and has no idea on who to do it to or what to use on them Dt check me! | ||
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The Church You win when all Town forces are dead. The game ends as soon as the final town player is dead. There is literally zero reason to backstab me. In the event that crossfire is actually town... That means that austin is the only remaining scum. The game ends as soon as he is dead. There is literally zero reason to backstab me. In fact, it is the only way you can win. austin has his role, the TARDIS, and the mafia kp. Even if I'm lynched, mafia win, town and survivor loses. Lynching me is the only way town can lose this game. I am a Fallen Angel, with the role Madam Vastra. I win by surviving and obtaining the Tardis. One day one, I shot Sol figuring that the doctor would have the TARDIS and I'd meet my win condition. Look at the events of that day from the mafia perspective. There was absolutely no reason for the mafia team to waste their valuable day vig like that. In fact, it got the mafia team in trouble, nearly lynching austin. It took Meapak and geript pretending to be afk to save austin on day one after my shot. When learning that the doctor did not hold the TARDIS, I claimed in the thread to obtain it. Sk8 passed me the item, I achieved my win condition and surviving was the only part remaining. Yes, I shot Dandel, but only because it eliminated a player who wanted me to get lynched and put town and mafia in a position where they would have to work with me. I bread crumbed in the thread that I was a survivor with my first post. The OP confirms that the third party role is a survivor. I knew about how the TARDIS worked when no one else did. Kurumi confirmed that the Tardis was drained after I obtained it. After geript was revealed as mafia with the dt check, I used my mason ability to contact him. Here is the log of our conversation. It is in reverse order and it would be a bit too time consuming to fix. kitaman27 06-29-2013 04:46 PM ET (US) Are you guys around to unvote as well? 96 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-29-2013 04:23 PM ET (US) Just don't let the get a lynch, vote for bc 95 kitaman27 06-29-2013 03:54 PM ET (US) *poke* *poke* 94 kitaman27 06-29-2013 02:48 PM ET (US) *poke* 93 kitaman27 06-29-2013 01:27 PM ET (US) So who are we going to vote for? 92 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-29-2013 11:53 AM ET (US) K sounds good. I'm not sure who were going to be NK tonight. 91 kitaman27 06-29-2013 11:26 AM ET (US) Sent it in. 90 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-29-2013 11:10 AM ET (US) I like the Dandel shot today. Then we can kill Xfire tonight. 89 kitaman27 06-29-2013 10:58 AM ET (US) Do you remember what gonzaw's role is? xfire sounds like he has a strong role, so we might either have to shoot him today or tonight. Also, dandel is had a double voter on day one and didn't vote on day two so it is possible that he still has that power. He said he lost all his powers, but we might need to shoot him just to be safe. 88 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-29-2013 02:50 AM ET (US) Think about it this way... If you are a survivor then there's no way for you to lose with us because we have no reason to turn on you whatsoever. If you are a 3P non-survivor, your best chance is to play to a draw with me which I'm perfectly fine doing. I owe you that at least for playing with you in the game. So basically you can go to hit Xfire, Gonzaw, BC or Dandel. Any of those force a draw in 3:3 vote at worst. If things don't work out then we both likely lose regardless. Make sense? 87 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-29-2013 12:27 AM ET (US) Or scum team. If you're scum or survivor you can win with us and we will help you. 86 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-29-2013 12:27 AM ET (US) I will not backstab you so long as you do not backstab me 85 kitaman27 06-28-2013 10:51 PM ET (US) Heh promise not to backstab me? 84 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 10:36 PM ET (US) Just kill an obvious townie 83 kitaman27 06-28-2013 10:33 PM ET (US) So is it you and 1 other and we win through night actions or do we have enough votes to actually lynch a townie? 82 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 10:27 PM ET (US) He shouldn't be 81 kitaman27 06-28-2013 10:22 PM ET (US) Ya I can kill someone. I take it WoS isn't an issue? 80 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 09:33 PM ET (US) If you can kill Gonzaw, Dandel or Xfire, then we can win. 79 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 09:31 PM ET (US) Can you kill someone? 78 kitaman27 06-28-2013 07:38 PM ET (US) Well do we have the votes to just lynch BC? 77 kitaman27 06-28-2013 07:00 PM ET (US) Well that worked out nicely 76 kitaman27 06-28-2013 06:22 PM ET (US) If you guys want to avoid the whole "scum can't use tardis twice" rule, you can pass it to me and I'll pass it back. 75 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 05:47 PM ET (US) Not sure it's aimed at you. Besides, I protected you last night. 74 kitaman27 06-28-2013 05:45 PM ET (US) If you have it, why not bus that shot BC aimed at me? Edited 06-28-2013 05:45 PM 73 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 05:38 PM ET (US) Not saying, but I'm not worried about it. 72 kitaman27 06-28-2013 05:29 PM ET (US) So you guys have it? 71 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 05:09 PM ET (US) No not worried about Tardis at all. 70 kitaman27 06-28-2013 05:01 PM ET (US) Do you not worry about gonzaw being protected? If you guys don't have the TARDIS, someone must have it, unless my aids broke it. Edited 06-28-2013 05:01 PM 69 kitaman27 06-28-2013 04:58 PM ET (US) lol that wasn't real :p 68 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 04:58 PM ET (US) Just shoot gonzaw. WoS is lying. 67 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 04:57 PM ET (US) I told you you can't do shit to WoS... 66 kitaman27 06-28-2013 04:54 PM ET (US) Also, if BC has his vet, then whoever has the TARDIS between BC or gonzaw is likely protecting gonzaw. Are you sure you wouldn't rather have me take out an easier target? 65 kitaman27 06-28-2013 04:51 PM ET (US) Hmm? 64 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 04:49 PM ET (US) If we don't do you think it will matter? 63 kitaman27 06-28-2013 04:45 PM ET (US) If I shoot gonzaw today, do we have the numbers to avoid a majority lynch? 62 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 04:38 PM ET (US) Can't shoot ever again? That's complete bs. Then just shoot gonzaw first. 61 kitaman27 06-28-2013 04:28 PM ET (US) Can't busdrive. If I shoot today, I can't shoot again. 60 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 04:18 PM ET (US) If you can busdrive something, busdrive it to Gonzaw 59 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 04:16 PM ET (US) Can you kill anyone? We'll likely shoot at BC/Gonzaw and you should at either BC or Dandel the following day. 58 kitaman27 06-28-2013 03:41 PM ET (US) What's going to happen after that? We lose communication at the point so we might as well plan long term. 57 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 03:38 PM ET (US) Pending nothing else happening just shoot me last second. Otherwise shoot Gonzaw. 56 kitaman27 06-28-2013 03:34 PM ET (US) The concern would be if the town realizes that another mafia player's role has more value than yours. 55 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 03:31 PM ET (US) That's not hard. I've flat out scum claimed and have a red check. 54 kitaman27 06-28-2013 03:26 PM ET (US) Just need to make sure that the lynch remains on you I guess. 53 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 03:25 PM ET (US) Just make sure they don't have time to move a vote. 52 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 03:24 PM ET (US) Yes. 51 kitaman27 06-28-2013 03:19 PM ET (US) Are we sure that an additional night cycle favors mafia and not town? 50 kitaman27 06-28-2013 03:19 PM ET (US) lol the role must have changed since I wrote it. You could absorb a kp aimed at someone else, but you would still die. What I sent in is that the first time you get shot, you don't flip and come back 24 hours later without any powers. 49 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 03:16 PM ET (US) Well. Die ish. 48 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 03:15 PM ET (US) Yay. It's optional. Just shoot me last second and I'll die. 47 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 03:13 PM ET (US) Wording makes it sound optional. Asking if I can choose to not absorb. 46 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 03:10 PM ET (US) You made my role right? Remember I absorb 1 KP each day/night. 45 kitaman27 06-28-2013 03:04 PM ET (US) 2 hits? Will 1 kp not be enough to take you out? 44 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 03:02 PM ET (US) Don't worry about doing damage control. Just do your best to stay alive yourself. Right now your abilities are good for us. 43 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 03:01 PM ET (US) For right now just ignore killing Xata, Xfire and Austin. Please take care of Gonzaw. Scum will remove do something else. If you can deal 2 hits to me last second that'd be cool too. 42 kitaman27 06-28-2013 02:53 PM ET (US) lol you crazy. Might as well tell me if Xata is scum or not so we can either win or do damage control. 41 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 02:50 PM ET (US) Sent's post was either a badly thought out joke considering my role or actual kill. I'm just very confused whether or not I'm alive. 40 kitaman27 06-28-2013 02:47 PM ET (US) So rather than winning the game, you're shooting yourself? I'm not sure I follow. 39 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 02:41 PM ET (US) I am currently dead I will check. 38 kitaman27 06-28-2013 02:40 PM ET (US) Huh? 37 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 02:39 PM ET (US) I don't think I can post right now otherwise I would. 36 kitaman27 06-28-2013 02:05 PM ET (US) *poke* 35 kitaman27 06-28-2013 09:44 AM ET (US) Can you at least confirm that there are 3 mafia remaining or that the mafia kp is 1 or 2? 34 kitaman27 06-28-2013 09:43 AM ET (US) In the event that our communication gets cut off for whatever reason, have your scum buddies communicate with me by including an XD smiley in their post. 33 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 11:57 PM ET (US) I think there are 2-3 solid town targets, obviously you can't target BC today because of vet. Gonzaw is the obvious pick, but if you don't like him then perhaps think about Dandel. Plus, you need to wait to see if I get temp-gack'd. Plus, I will continue to find a way to tell you what you need to know when you need to know it. 32 kitaman27 06-27-2013 11:18 PM ET (US) It certainly was. Do you think it's more likely that I'm town and will out the scum team to the thread or more likely that I'd accidentally shoot a scum player because I'm felt in the dark? -_- At least give me something to work with. 31 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 10:57 PM ET (US) I thought my art was pretty fantastic. 30 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 09:29 PM ET (US) Meh i'm getting tired. 29 kitaman27 06-27-2013 09:08 PM ET (US) Careful whatever nonsense gonzaw is asking of you. Don't want to quote him or trigger some silly bomberman code word. 28 kitaman27 06-27-2013 09:05 PM ET (US) Such as? Is it safe to assume that there are 3 mafia remaining at least? 27 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 09:03 PM ET (US) So why are you keeping secrets from me? 26 kitaman27 06-27-2013 08:12 PM ET (US) Lovers don't keep secrets from each other. 25 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 08:08 PM ET (US) btw, i was really hoping to become your star crossed lover. *tear* 24 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 07:58 PM ET (US) Just hold off on the kill to see how things shake out. It's in both our best interests to consider using you assassinate on me to blank me for the vote at the last minute and not give them time to do shit. 23 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 07:56 PM ET (US) He is dead for good as far as I know. 22 kitaman27 06-27-2013 07:41 PM ET (US) Any idea if WoS is dead for good? Was he town? 21 kitaman27 06-27-2013 07:39 PM ET (US) If I day vig a player, do we control the lynch or is the double vote/extra vote something we have to worry about? 3v3v1? 20 kitaman27 06-27-2013 07:38 PM ET (US) The Alliance You win when all Anti-Town forces are dead. The Church You win when all Town forces are dead. Come up with a scenario where we could possibly not win together? 19 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 07:33 PM ET (US) Because I'm not sold on you being survivor, simple as that. Doesn't mean we can't work toegether, just means that the amount of information i give you becomes severely limited. 18 kitaman27 06-27-2013 07:31 PM ET (US) Why not? The Church You win when all Town forces are dead. Am I missing something? You don't want to work with your ally? 17 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 07:19 PM ET (US) Well you know mine. Not telling you the rest of them. 16 kitaman27 06-27-2013 07:13 PM ET (US) What are the mafia abilities? 15 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 07:11 PM ET (US) No, you're clearly not town. I don't think scum has the tardis, at least not as far as i know. but it won't hurt to do anything. In the least, let's see if I can grab a KP or something or whoever I protected. That'll let you kill me in the last 5-10 minutes or so. It prevents me from being dead dead and negates a lynch giving us a free kp. 14 kitaman27 06-27-2013 07:06 PM ET (US) You don't trust me that much? The Church You win when all Town forces are dead. Do you think I'm town? Otherwise, you win with me. There is absolutely no other way around it. Ask Deconduo if you have to. Consult with your scumbuddies if you must, but I think its pretty clear I'm not town considering how much attention I've drawn to myself to try to keep you guys alive. Is it correct to assume that is is 4v3v1 right now? If so, town does not control the majority. I need to know if you guys have the TARDIS to determine who it would be save to hit. The TARDIS holder has the ability to self protect or bus during the day so we don't want a kp aimed back at ourselves. Dandel had a double vote and I think someone else mentioned a vote steal, but I don't remember. There is also at least one town kp in play from what I can tell. 13 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 06:30 PM ET (US) I just don't trust you. 12 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 06:29 PM ET (US) Sorry Kita, but I don't trust you that much. Plus your kills strongly indicate 3p non survivor. Lets be honest we both need Gonzaw dead. 11 kitaman27 06-27-2013 06:25 PM ET (US) I'm not sure what draining the TARDIS did, but that thing is incredibly town favored. I assume it's not in scum hands? What is the mafia kp formula? I have an anonymous day vig still. I took the Doctor out for you guys on day one. Might as well list the mafia team and the abilities we have to work with. I see no reason not to be honest with each other. 10 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 06:20 PM ET (US) Very little. You still have your KP? 9 kitaman27 06-27-2013 06:20 PM ET (US) Mortal combat is fake, right? I thought I designed it as one time use. 8 kitaman27 06-27-2013 06:19 PM ET (US) I'm not a serial killer if that's what you're suggesting. The Church You win when all Town forces are dead. You can win with any third party faction in existence, including myself We aren't in a good position? What do we have to work with? 7 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 06:17 PM ET (US) Regardless of whether you're a survivor or not, we need to work together. 6 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 06:16 PM ET (US) Ok so you're 3 P and I'm scum. Lets be honest, neither of us are in good position, how can we help each other. 5 kitaman27 06-27-2013 06:15 PM ET (US) <3 you too 4 kitaman27 06-27-2013 06:14 PM ET (US) No idea why I typed geript as my name -_- 3 Geript 06-27-2013 06:14 PM ET (US) lol you tried to day vig the survivor. What a jerk :p So can we end this? 2 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 06:07 PM ET (US) <3 you 1 deconduoPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 05:56 PM ET (US) QT for Kita and Geript. Anyways, austin could have saved geript last cycle, but chose not to. Instead, he shot BC at night, allowed you guys to lynch me today, and plans to win tonight using the mafia kp. If austin is lynched today, the game ends. Town reaches their win condition and I reach my win condition. Otherwise, mafia wins. | ||
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On July 01 2013 08:21 gonzaw wrote: if what you say is true and town loses with you you deserve to lose kita You honestly think austin is town? Sure you can hold a grudge against me for shooting Dandel, but there is no reason to be so upset that you'd play against your win condition. | ||
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On July 01 2013 08:22 gonzaw wrote: like yeah, you are scum kita, if not you like could have posted that chat convo today and maybe convince us not to lynch you? Yeah I don't buy it, play to win Something like that would take hours, hours, and hours to fabricate. To get the formatting perfect. To get the time stamps perfect. To get the flow of the game perfect. Like honestly? You're replying with tldr after having a 30 page filter? Not even worth spending an hour on this when the game is on the line? | ||
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On July 01 2013 08:31 gonzaw wrote: You do know something? IF YOU HAD POSTED THIS SHIT ME+XFIRE+YOURVOTE (FROM XFIRES ABILITY) COULD HAVE LYNCHED AUSTIN AND YOU, AND TOWN WOULD HAVE WON REALLY DICK MOVE KITA, SUPER FUCKING DICK MOVE I don't understand. Why can't austin be lynched? | ||
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On July 01 2013 08:43 gonzaw wrote: dec asked "do you want to end the day now?" and everybody said yes.. ..I thought that was like a point-of-no-return thing, so you can't undo that "end day now" shit. Well, I supposed.. So dec, give us a few more minutes kay? dec asked if everyone wanted to end the day, I said no. Are you saying that I'm a nobody? | ||
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On July 01 2013 08:44 austinmcc wrote: Seriously though, either no-lynch or lynch kita (sorry kita), and then ... I probably lose. Unless crossfire blew all that crap you said existed. Would you like to tell me what powers of his are remaining? So what exactly happened with the geript lynch? o.O | ||
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On July 01 2013 08:47 gonzaw wrote: (sorry wuv i was jokin ;_; ) Sorry about the whole shooting 3 townies. But it makes my redemption story with a happy ending even more special! :p | ||
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On July 01 2013 09:18 Crossfire99 wrote: So, kita, convince me that this setup is 12-3-1, not 12-4 because i already knew austin was scum because of last night and his obsession with my nra ability. Cause i don't believe for a second that you're 3rd party. Also, gonzaw, don't be telling scum my abilities. Thanks. Well I claimed survivor in my first post. I claimed to get the TARDIS when the mafia team had no knowledge of its existence. Kurumi confirmed that the TARDIS had its power drained after I obtained it. I passed the TARDIS to a town player, rather than a mafia player. I shot S0l thinking I would get the TARDIS, leaving austin 1 vote away from getting lynched on day one. Both geript and Meapak had to pretend to be afk to avoid hammering him. I have a set of mason logs from my exchange with geript. The events of the log perfectly match up with how the game turned out. Meapak, austin, and geript have called me mafia more times than I can count, figuring the survivor would be the easy lynch. | ||
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I win if I am alive at the end of the game, and have successfully fed on the TARDIS. I have no clue if feeding on the TARDIS altered it in any way. I was never informed. My disguise is Madam Vastra You can pick someone to be your maid by PMing the hosts at any point in the game. You and your maid are able to communicate at any point in time, however you don't know his/her role/alignment and he/she doesnt know yours. If you and your maid survive for two straight cycles(day and night, or 144 real-life hours), you become lovers, which means that if one dies, the other suicides. Despite begrudging respect for humanity, you do enjoy devouring them once in a while. You can eat a person during day time anonymously, but you need a day to enjoy the meal. | ||
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On July 01 2013 10:55 Crossfire99 wrote: How did geript know that he had the ability to become your star crossed lover? If you're 3rd party, the only person that would know about your role is Zeph and he didn't tell geript. So explain that one? I'm not sure about that one. Maybe it was in deconduo's mason pm? Or perhaps a reference to Vastra + Strax in the show? On July 01 2013 10:55 Crossfire99 wrote: Also, how come you successfully call out that killing austin will gain us another lynch? this was before geript posted about me in the logs btw. I checked. So if you were 3rd party you shouldn't have known who the other scum were, right? lol doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out austin is scum. I know Meapak and geript are scum. I knew they both refused to hammer austin day one. I knew austin hadn't made a single pro-town post all game. | ||
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On July 01 2013 11:13 Crossfire99 wrote: 1. Yeah, I'm pretty sure hosts wouldn't tell that in the mason pm. Actually mason me right now. We can test that. I call BS on that one. Zeph confirmed my role has a mason ability. Pretty sure it's one-shot. Not sure about the lovers comment, possibly just a generic <3 post. On July 01 2013 11:13 Crossfire99 wrote: 2. So you're telling me that you as a survivor, instead of shooting confirmed scum austin in your eyes with geript being lynched that same day thus knocking mafia down to 1 member according to what you think, you decided to shoot Dandel because you were afraid of getting lynched. If you actually shot austin, then we wouldn't have wanted to lynch you because that would be asinine to do as scum. You would have proved you were 3rd party and working with town in that case. I honestly thought we were going to unvote to save geript, night kill whoever, and just straight out win it today. In retrospect, austin might have been the better kill, but I thought the game was over. Mafia had the TARDIS so austin had an incredibly high chance of being protected, they would know I backstabbed them and took away a possible route to winning if things went badly, and I knew I had the mason logs to prove that I'm third party so if the mafia win fell through, I'd be able to jump on with the town win. | ||
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When geript day vig'd me, there was no reason to implicate myself in killing dandel. As scum buddies, he could have challenged sk8r, and the bus could have been done in secret. Scum had no knowledge of the TARDIS role, yet I did. Kurumi confirmed that I drained the TARDIS. I passed the TARDIS to a town player. I have mason logs with a mafia player. I claimed survivor from the start of the game. Do you really think it is more likely that you can win a guessing game with the mafia kp than the chance that I'm a survivor? | ||
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On July 01 2013 12:07 Crossfire99 wrote: You didn't answer the question asked. People usually do that when they want to avoid talking about something. What's the question? All I see is "Thoughts?" lol gonzaw, that conversation made me laugh :D On July 01 2013 12:08 gonzaw wrote: One of the problems I see with kita is him "killing" Dandel back on D2 instead of shooting austin for instance. Had he killed austin, like we could have lynched geript there and there and he would have won with us on D2. It also seems weird for geript to use MK on kita out of everybody, why use that "day vig" on a 3P survivor, instead of keeping it until later perhaps? I mean, the guy who made his role IS NOT TOWN so it's not like kita will say "hey! geript is lying about his role!" because nobody would really listen to him. Dandel's own words were "Even though he is a survivor, we need to lynch him before lylo". He voted to have me lynched in the geript vote and was a threat to me surviving to endgame. Shooting austin removes a viable lynch candidate and prevents me from ever winning with mafia if they managed to swing things (I didn't realize it was only 3 scum setup at that point). I also thought it was pretty likely that Sk8r was scum, so me passing it to kurumi would have confirmed me as non-scum if that were the case. | ||
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On July 01 2013 12:19 Crossfire99 wrote: Look at what is redacted in scum's role pms I'm sure there could be something in there about the TARDIS. Also, if kita is 3rd party survivor then this game is 12-3-1. Do you really think that is balanced? Mafia has completely broken role that absorbs kp during the day/night, protects scum buddies, resurrects that player once they die, and a mortal combat vig. Meapak was a mason/day vig. Austin was a vig maker/doc maker/whatever. Plus, there was a survivor that was shooting players every other day. | ||
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On July 01 2013 15:10 gonzaw wrote: The other (very important) factor...is shame lol If we lynch kita and he's 3P, you can just say "Oh well, let's move on" and that's it. You could even blame it on kita for being so scummy and playing against town But if we lynch austin and kita is scum and we lose, then I'll never forgive myself for "falling" for that lol So in that sense lynching kita is "safer" (regardless of the chances of him being scum or 3P) Oh god -_- You play to win. You don't play to hope you won't get laughed at post game. On July 01 2013 15:10 gonzaw wrote: This...kind of makes sense. Town sentiment was against austin so scum would have figured out he would be a potential counterlynch to avoid NL on D1. Him or Zepphird. However, if they planned that with scum kita, wouldn't scum be...like there doing shit? Not a single scum is doing anything after the shot. You would try to think they would either: -Try to get the lynch onto Zepphird -Try to get people to NL It doesn't make sense to just leave ALL townies in direct control of the counter lynch and not do a single thing (like, not a single scum made a single post until after deadline passed). The fact not a single scum made a post does make it seem unplanned, and if kita is scum then by definition it can't be unplanned (unless he did it on his own for the lulz). This gives more points to 3P kita than scum kita. Furthermore, I called out austin, Meapak after the lynch and questioned geript for his absence. It would be straight up insane to try to pull a triple bus day one, incriminating two of my scum buddies who would have to either be afk or have to lie about not being around, and then have my scum buddy come one vote away from being hammered. As mafia, I could have shot someone like BC and went on my way. Don't forget that Meapak's absence was likely a reason for him getting checked and shot. On July 01 2013 15:10 gonzaw wrote: I still can't believe scum geript would just randomly use his day vig on the 3P instead of saving it, or use it on a townie he FoSed earlier or something. Like...no it doesn't make sense other than a senseless "gain town cred" action. Mafia players tunnel third party players all the time. It gives them an excuse to push an anti-town player, while still appearing to scum hunt. For this to make sense, I would have had to plan it from my first post into the game, which is completely implausible. gonzaw challenging a town player that looks bad may result in a town kill, but it makes him look bad and a viable lynch candidate is removed, putting more pressure on his team. Like I said before, there was no reason to implicate myself in the Dandel kill, when we could have simply bussed Sk8r/BC if we were scum buddies. On July 01 2013 15:10 gonzaw wrote: There's no way to prove this. Scum can feign ignorance of the TARDIS in-thread. Unless there's a scum action (night kill, etc) regarding the TARDIS that proves that. If so feel free to provide it. There is no way to prove this, but you're rarely going to get proof of something in a mafia game. You have to determine what is most likely. It is incredibly unlikely that a mafia player would have knowledge of a town role. Why would they? On July 01 2013 15:10 gonzaw wrote: I don't see how this has to do with anything. It is possible you drained the TARDIS by getting it. It's possible the TARDIS is drained by constant uses (like I stated earlier). Like...not even you know why it was drained before and I doubt you 100% know why it was drained now. Well crossfire confirmed that my weeping angel role feeds on the TARDIS so it matches up the flavor with my role. Keep in mind that all the mafia roles have their scum name and their town counter-part, which is their actual role. I have my Madam Vastra role, which clearly could have not mentioned the TARDIS, but I also have my weeping angel win condition, which states that I win by surviving and feeding on TARDIS. On July 01 2013 15:10 gonzaw wrote: Hmm....kind of makes sense.... ...although not so much. Well, at that point kita was trying to seem pro-town...at least a little tiny bit. But you shot of Dandel, and after N2 you went anti-town as hell. Maybe as scum you passed the TARDIS to a townie YOU WOULD KILL THAT NIGHT so: -You could get the TARDIS back after that guy died (just like scum got it on D3) -You could reset the "mafia counter" restriction the TARDIS has by having it pass hands to a townie first -Gain town cred and keep playing the "I'm survivor" slick, and not just be confirmed scum "If you don't choose a new player to give the TARDIS to after having used it once or if a player dies while in possession of the TARDIS, it will be randomly distributed to some other player still alive in the game." Killing Kurumi wouldn't guarantee it was returned to me. I gave a self-protect/busdrive ability to the town inventor when I didn't have to. Sk8r was town so there was no restriction on passing. On July 01 2013 15:10 gonzaw wrote: Yeah...those are kind of compelling. I'll have to reread them though. Just a quick question: What is the TL Mafia history on fake chat logs? I think some scum members at some other PM game faked chat logs between each other. Do you (Xfire+kita) have any idea which game, and how complex, etc it was? I.e if it faked timestamps and all that shit? If kita was scum trying to pass himself as 3P survivor...and he and geript went through ALL that length to create those fake logs to basically never show them? (I would assume he AND geript both faked them before geript died, and it wasn't just kita that faked the A FEW HOURS AGO all by himself. The dude there does sound like geript in a way, and it'd be more natural for both of them to "fake" discuss shit and post it as a "chat log") Like...kita never even said he had those logs before either. He said he chatted with geript...but like once in a forgettable post. If scum kita's plan was convincing us he was 3P survivor, then he could have shown those logs sooner (once geript was lynched for instance), or he could have tried harder. Right now it does seem he just had those logs hidden somewhere and just quickly copy+pasted them to make his other post. It's too much of an elaborate plan that doesn't make much sense otherwise. Faking those logs would be extremely difficult with the perfect time stamps, perfect game flow and perfect formatting. I suppose it would be possible to plan this all ahead of time, create a quicktopic 48 hours in advance, and then pretend to discuss the game, but you're looking for what is likely, not what is possible. On July 01 2013 15:10 gonzaw wrote: Xfire, can you confirm that if you shoot the guy with the TARDIS, you get the TARDIS yourself? Or is it distributed randomly? Most importantly, kita, was it told to you anything about that? You say that once sol claimed The Doctor (or WOS claimed for him anyways), you shot him to see if he had the TARDIS to get it. But....how would you know if you could get the TARDIS by shooting him YOURSELF? Why couldn't you wait 10 minutes for him to get lynched instead (if the TARDIS just randomly goes to someone else no matter how the guy dies)? As I mentioned earlier, it is distributed randomly after a kill. I had no knowledge of how it was passed or even what it did. I figured that if there was a lynch, it would be distributed to1 player that voted for him. In a previous PTP (?) game, that is how items were distributed. I guessed that killing The Doctor would give me the item and I guessed he would have it. I also was extremely close to shooting austin because he mentioned a gift in the thread, but decided it would be more likely to be in the hands of the Doctor. On July 01 2013 15:10 gonzaw wrote: Another thing that bothers me is kita's behaviour. He seemed to be working for scum BEFORE geript was revealed as 3P. Like, back in D2 you made those cases on austin and sk8, you seemed "somewhat" pro-town. But as soon as Dandel died, you played for scum right there. You made no cases, you shitted up the thread, trolled, said "guys im survivor dont lynch me lololo" which seemed like a scum's failed attempt at trolling and appearing like he cares about what people think about him. At times you seemed like you didn't really care about your survival. Like people would say "okay I'll shoot kita tonight" or "okay we lynch kita tomorrow" or even in D3 when people wanted to lynch you...you didn't seem to give a shit. If you were survivor, without any knowledge about what scum are doing (and from your POP alone in the game), then you WOULD give a shit I was quite concerned when BC claimed to have killed me in the thread. I thought the game was over at that point for me. D3 I thought the mafia + survivor controlled the lynch based on my conversation with geript, so the lynch wasn't as much of a concern for me, but apparently it should have been. On July 01 2013 15:10 gonzaw wrote: Another thing is that (while skimming your log with geript) you two don't really seem to talk about the protection geript apparently had on you (or I missed it), nor any protection from a lynch or whatever that is. Again, I'd assume that if you were survivor you'd care more about.....surviving. EVERYBODY AND THEIR MOTHERS thought you were scum (they THOUGHT YOU WERE SCUM, and they thought that ever since N2 when you were playing for scum apparently, was that the play for 3P survivor you wanted to make?) and would kill you in a heartbeat with anything you got, weren't you worried about fulfilling your win-con by then? Like, weren't you worried about town vig shots, or like the freaking lynch of D3? I don't see you too worried nor try to get info from geript based on that. Well I created geript's role so I knew how it worked. Night one I'm pretty sure he would have protected me. 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"Therefore, I believe he is NOT a survivor, actually DOES have an alignment." What does this even mean? The OP states that third party players in this game are survivors. I can't possibly be a serial killer based on how the win conditions are worded in the OP. Therefore I am a survivor and I can win with town. Stop grasping at straws. | ||
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On July 02 2013 01:17 austinmcc wrote: I'm going to respond to kita, for now, in a small post. Then I'd like to hear gonzaw/crossfire on thisHere is the biggest thing I see with kita's post. The OP does not say third party players are survivors. It says be alive AND fulfill victory conditions. Moreover, you can check for yourselves. Third parties can be town and anti-town. If third parties were ALL survivors, then they wouldn't be town/anti-town. They're neutral, they win either way. Because they can be town/anti-town, they ACTIVELY STOP ALLIANCE/CHURCH FACTIONS FROM ACHIEVING THEIR WIN-CONS. Survivors don't do that. Survivors just win. Town/Mafia never have "Kill mafia/town, and then also kill all the survivors kkthx" Kita's "all 3P are survivors" story makes NO sense, because 3Ps can be town/anti-town and interefere with alliance/church win-cons. Second, and more nebulous: Staying alive and surviving are the same things. There is no need to twist my words. My victory condition was feeding on the TARDIS, which I've done. This is pretty clear. Survivors are NOT anti-town. The win conditions do not conflict. Show me a game where a survivor could not win with town. You can't because they don't exist. You're suddenly coming up with this "Kita can't win with town" story because it's the only alternative to you losing. On June 26 2013 08:01 Zephirdd wrote: kita is survivor why would you kill a survivor so soon Survivor is the town-oriented third party, just like SK is the scum-oriented one. you don't kill a survivor T_T On July 02 2013 01:17 austinmcc wrote: We have no PROOF that you are a survivor. You claim that. But your PLAY does not say survivor. We have no PROOF that you are mafia, but that doesn't stop it from being so. The only things that are 100% confirmed in a mafia game is something that comes from the host. You have to draw conclusions based on the evidence and the evidence certainly points to the fact that I am a survivor. On July 02 2013 01:17 austinmcc wrote: On D3, you shot town and worked to save geript. Geript TOLD you in PMs, the PMs you posted, that I was mafia (more or less, by saying to shoot everyone else). You could have shot me, let geript get lynched. If you were a survivor and we were the last two mafia, congratulations, you win. If you were a survivor and there were three mafia remaining, congratulations, there is now ONE mafia remaining and YOU SHOT A MAFIA. Town isn't killing you at that point, and you're clear to coast for a survivor win. Mafia was absolutely SCREWED that day. And you bailed us out of it. That's not survivor play. That's knowing that if mafia gets screwed on D3, and it's like BC/Gonzaw/Crossfire/DI vs. one or 0 mafia and they don't win, you're going to get lynched. Gonzaw, crossfire, put yourself in kita's mindset D3. He could have sided with town, killed mafia. You guys would have kept him alive then. Mafia would be so utterly screwed that we would need to focus on killing town for the rest of the game. He had an easy path as a survivor. Instead, he sided with mafia. The only purpose that serves is to drag the game out, reduce numbers, and make it so it's not a bunch of townies + kita and the townies scratching their heads wondering why they haven't won yet. Mafia had promised me a win and geript made it seem as if the votes were there. Furthermore, mafia had the TARDIS on day three and considering gonzaw was next to bulletproof, I'm quite sure that the TARDIS protection would have been on you. There is a reason I wanted to confirm that you guys had the device. If I shoot you, it completely shuts down my ability to win with mafia due to the back stab, it leads me to get lynched after geript, and the game ends with an austin mafia victory. I left both my routes to victory open by taking out a player without protection, which makes perfect sense for a survivor. | ||
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On July 02 2013 02:53 austinmcc wrote: So you feel comfortable with him saying all 3Ps are survivors when 3Ps can be town/anti-town? All 3Ps do need to survive until endgame. It is confirmed in the OP. The host is not lying. You're arguing semantics. On July 02 2013 02:53 austinmcc wrote: You feel comfortable with him giving different stories about how many shots he has? Different stories? My role has been confirmed by the creator of Madam Vastra, who was town. He had no reason to lie about how it worked. On July 02 2013 02:53 austinmcc wrote: I don't know what he is. I don't know that he's got to be last man standing. But what I KNOW, and what you can see for yourself, and ask yourself, is that the win-cons don't support his "all 3P = survivor" claim. I could post all day with things that he might be, but what I know, and what you should be able to smell, is that his story doesn't add up. You know that if you are lynched mafia loses. End of story. Trying to act as if the survivor can't win with town is nonsense. It has never happened in the past and would make no sense. | ||
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On July 02 2013 03:14 austinmcc wrote: bee tee dubs, I don't have the TARDIS. It's either winked out of existence when Kurumi died (doesn't transfer again once drained?) or kita has it. I don't think that matters, and you may not trust me, but...it wouldn't even do anything for me if I had it, so there's no reason to hide that. It wouldn't stop a lynch or help me kill you guys tonight, so...there's no real reason to lie here. No real reason to lie? Either you or geript have lied because you contradict each other. GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 05:38 PM ET (US) Not saying, but I'm not worried about it. 72 kitaman27 06-28-2013 05:29 PM ET (US) So you guys have it? 71 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 05:09 PM ET (US) No not worried about Tardis at all. 70 kitaman27 06-28-2013 05:01 PM ET (US) Do you not worry about gonzaw being protected? If you guys don't have the TARDIS, someone must have it, unless my aids broke it. | ||
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On July 02 2013 03:24 austinmcc wrote: I didn't worry until NOW about gonzaw being protected, no. I figured it winked out of existence, or that it being drained of energy meant it couldn't activate. And guess how it got drained? My win condition. If I did not drain the TARDIS through my win condition how else could it have broke? It got drained through using it too much? We know the TARDIS was used by Sk8r (x2) and myself before it broke. Since it started with town that would mean that it could be used by the mafia team at most twice before it was "naturally drained". If this is the case, why in the world would the TARDIS contain the anti-mafia clause that prevented back-to-back use. If the TARDIS could be drained naturally, it could only be used twice by mafia anyways. Furthermore, why wasn't the draining part included in the role? Because it is my win condition. Did I plan to claim survivor from the first post, hoping that the TARDIS would be drained by coincidence and that I'd pretend to make up a win condition by looking into the future? On July 02 2013 03:24 austinmcc wrote: Since it started with a town player, that means that it If they've got the TARDIS, it makes things harder/impossible for me, but if that were the case, then: (1) I don't think they'd be slow-rolling it like this; and (2) they'd lynch you, because I can't kill them tonight and they can lynch me tomorrow. If they have the TARDIS, then they lynch you, ensure that they don't have a chance to lose, and then lynch me tomorrow. You silly. You know what ensures that town doesn't lose? They lynch the remaining mafia and end the game. | ||
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On July 02 2013 03:29 gonzaw wrote: But it is possible maybe, you as scum or SK or whatever knew the TARDIS would be drained after you got it and used it or whatever, so you would pass it to Kurumi and kill him at night (he wouldn't prot himself since TARDIS was deactivated then), and then get the TARDIS again later (either by chance, or by killing the townie that got it, etc etc). Well that would be kind of difficult considering I don't have a night kp. Why would I want a broken TARDIS back anyways? On July 02 2013 03:29 gonzaw wrote: Speaking of which, right now you don't have the TARDIS (austin has it). Arent' you like confirmed to lose now? The only way you can win is if we lynch austin and you get lucky (33% chance) that you get the TARDIS after he dies. If not I or Xfire get the TARDIS, all scum are dead so we win, but you don't have the TARDIS so you lose. Huh? I met my TARDIS win condition once I fed on it. I don't need to hold it at the end of the game. Otherwise, I would have never passed it to kurumi. On July 02 2013 03:29 gonzaw wrote: Hmm, Xfire, do you think kita can still be scum now? You've got to be kidding me. On July 02 2013 03:29 austinmcc wrote: Third parties are NOT all survivors like kita says. The OP says that third parties have to survive AND do stuff. Moreover, you can confirm for yourselves, third parties CAN be town or anti-town. Based on that, the alliance and the church may well need to eliminate third parties, or specific third parties, before they can win. I've already explained what my "do stuff" win condition was. I fed on the TARDIS. On July 02 2013 03:29 austinmcc wrote: However, CAN be is the furthest you get with your questions. I checked to see whether third parties are guaranteed to be town/anti-town, rather than just neutral, and I'm not allowed an answer. Again, check for yourselves if you want, and I can understand not answering because either answer there is gamebreaking. You just gotta figure out whether you think things add up. austin cannot win with town under any circumstances. Settling for a 50/50 win would be terrible for town when the alternative is 100%. | ||
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On July 02 2013 03:10 austinmcc wrote: I mean, I do. I spent part of last night thinking up dumb claims. On July 02 2013 04:03 austinmcc wrote: He doesn't in that convo he posted. Geript, in our QT, said kita had claimed mafia traitor. That's one of the things I'm saying doesn't add up. Either I'm doctoring QT posts or he is. We both have reason to, but I know that I'm not and come endgame you'll know that I'm not, you can read scum QT (not that it does you any good today). lolol I doctored the QT posts, but you decided to wait 24 hours and not point that out until after you accidentally claimed mafia? Lynch this lair -_- Furthermore, if you thought I was a mafia traitor, you would be perfectly fine with being lynched because I would win the game for you. The problem is, you know that I'm not a traitor, you know that I'm a survivor, and you know you lose after being lynched. | ||
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On July 02 2013 06:01 Crossfire99 wrote: 1. Kita is a survivor. He doesn't care who wins as long as he survives until endgame and secures his victory condition which in this case is feeding on the TARDIS. That's me. On July 02 2013 06:01 Crossfire99 wrote: 2. Kita is a SK. He needs to survive until endgame and secure his victory condition which is eliminate every other player in the game. I cannot be a Serial Killer. A serial killer cannot win with mafia, yet the mafia win condition is to kill all town. This option is impossible. On July 02 2013 06:01 Crossfire99 wrote: 3. Kita is mafia or a traitor. He wins with mafia. I am not mafia or a traitor. Reread the events of late day one. It crushed the mafia team at no gain and would be a strategic disaster. | ||
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On July 02 2013 07:21 gonzaw wrote: Also kita, you plan voting austin anytime soon? No hurries though, if you don't you'll have a slow painful death at the gallows, nothing serious lol this is the third time I've replied to this. I don't control my vote. | ||
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That's what I thought it was called until I recently went to past the role pm. Like I said, I'm not familiar with Dr. Who. Though I did make a comment about blinking, which matches with the lore from what I've gathered on the wiki page. :p | ||
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On July 02 2013 12:09 Crossfire99 wrote: So kita, riddle me this. You posted everything you ever said to geript, yet geript knows all about your star crossed lovers after 144 hours bit even though you never told him about it. You're lying. The only way geript could have known about your role is if he had prior knowledge, i.e. you told him or you're scum buddies. Right now I'm leaning toward scum buddies cause that makes the most sense. You still die today. I sent a pm to deconduo asking if my role informs him about the lover aspect when he is masoned. I 100% never mentioned the lover part of my role to him. If you are seriously getting stuck on a single detail like this, then I'm pretty much lost for words. The fact that you can possibly think that I am mafia blows my mind. You do realize that if austin and I are scum buddies that the chat logs he just posted would be fake. So I decided to incriminate myself in my own set of fake logs? That is seriously beyond belief. | ||
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On June 24 2013 06:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: votecount for reference Votes: BC (0) - WoS (0) - Dandel Ion (0) - Kurumi (0) - SnB (2) - Acrofales (0) - austin (7) - geript (0) - Zephirdd (2) - austinmcc, Sk8rguy (4) - Acrofales, Bubbas not voting: strongandbig, WoS austinmcc is the leading bubba with 7 votes. 8 votes are needed to lynch a bubba. Tell me if I missed anyone. Only votes in the voting thread count! CUNTDOWN: On June 24 2013 06:21 geript wrote: Look guys, you don't understand the situation. So after the D&D game I went to Mcdonalds to have wifi because I thought the deadline was at 4 pm EDT (not 5 pm EDT). I ate a late lunch. I had to shit because I don't have a gallbladder anymore and wasn't going to use the crappy McDee's bathrooms so I sheeped Gonzaw and drove home thinking I'd have enough time to spare. However, I forgot that I needed to put gas into my car and practically shat myself while waiting. Once I got home, I just saw Sent's solstice kill on my phone and went to vote who I figured the switch would be to at the limit without time to go forward. Do what you will. On June 24 2013 06:26 geript wrote: Didn't bother to look because I saw on my phone I was cutting it close to deadline. It's my bad. On June 24 2013 06:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ok wtf, I leave 10 mins before the lynch and then we all go austin? Why the fuck didn't we kill zephrid? Gonzaw I'm getting suspicious of you, your push for austin seems very half assed an apologetic as if preparing for him flipping town. Not only that, you completly ignored zephrid who you had already called out. I really liked your play until like the last two hours of the day. Bro that looks really bad. On June 24 2013 06:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Oh and to all the idiots talking about my "disapearence", I am on my phone, I was watching indycar and assumed that, with ten minutes left nothing was gonna happen and decided to come back after the day post. Also sk8 makes a good point about mafia motivation behind killing solstice, what did they gain by doing so. On June 24 2013 10:09 austinmcc wrote: NOW ONTO MORE IMPORTANT MATTERS JEEBUS STOP LYNCHING ME. If you think you can usually read me and you haven't been able to do so this game, that might be because I'm not normally this absent. As EITHER alignment. Go read my stupid scum games, I'm always trying to plot and direct things and getting shot down when I try to get the scum team to engage in stupid plans, except for CT mafia maybe cuz I replaced in there. To those who actually think I'm scummy, you guys should knock it off as well. I don't bring presents to people who think I'm scummy except maybe I do. Ugh. Also, not scum. Gonna sort through the rest of this tomorrow at work. Does this honestly look planned to you and if so, what was the payoff because in my eyes it would have to be in the running for worst mafia play 2013 if you think we planned this. | ||
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On July 02 2013 12:18 Crossfire99 wrote: I know. Me being hung up on scum knowing something they couldn't have possibly known about unless you're scum isn't important at all... Well I guess we wait to hear back from the hosts, but I don't see why it would be unreasonable for the lover information to be mentioned in the mason pm. | ||
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On June 26 2013 00:13 austinmcc wrote: As for me, again, stop lynching me. Go lynch someone else. There are still bears for me to get rid of, and I need to get rid of all the bears, for serious. Instead, I propose lynching the dude who's asking for the TARDIS, indicating that he knows something we don't know (or I didn't know), saying that he needs it AND protection so he can win the game for town, saying that he GOT the TARDIS, and then promptly...oh right, we don't know. We have no idea what's going on over there. People who want specific items for specific reasons in games like this generally don't want them for happy reasons, imo. As a bonus, this is the weirdest single exchange since meapak got shot: That exchange is entirely ridiculous. Pretty much urrbody and their mothers says use vigi shots to kill unknowns, because lynching pure question marks gets you very little. I can't find it with 30 seconds of searching, but I'm pretty sure I remember Ace telling people to vig unknowns. As well as a couple other guides. It's not at all a "wrong" thing to do, and kita getting so touchy about it really rubs me the wrong way, as does the way he's phrasing it. This is not a vig shot in the dark at a random dude. This is a dude who has not been playing, therefore we dont' have much to read him off of. Those are good vig targets, and pretty much consensus good vig targets. Gut read is that kita just doesn't want snb shot, and the two are connected. ##vote: kitaman27 On June 26 2013 05:43 austinmcc wrote: Knowing that he didn't know he was a vet makes him look slightly better. Didn't understand him not revealing that. But his response to pressure today doesn't ring true to me. He had the big posts during the night with the pictures, GIMME THE TARDIS GIMME GIMME. And apparently he got it. But he didn't claim at that point, the point at which, according to him, he became a pure survivor (having satisfied the other bit of his win-con). He waits, because:(1) kita is super worried about NKs, despite their being players who look far more townie / are doing more pro-town stuff with their activity. He's been around a long time, but so have other players this game, so it's not a case of him just getting popped for being veteran-y (2) kita was going to wait and claim N2 because ... he didn't want to be NKed. He could have claimed immediately if that's his only concern. Again, according to him, once he got the TARDIS, all he does is try to survive. No reason to wait 48 hours before saying "Oh hey guys, I'm a survivor, mafia please don't kill me." (3) I still actually really dislike the not vigging snb comments. They don't jive AT ALL with what I understand to be conventional wisdom held by respected players. They read as an attempt to cover snb, which doesn't fit with kita being a lone survivor. This is important. Kita has said he's a survivor, 3P, all he has to do is survive. He's got NO REASON to not want snb shot in that position. Hey hey, again, important. Kita as 3P survivor has no reason to care whether or not snb gets shot. No matter who is vigged, kita is 1 person closer to fulfilling his wincon. But he picks a fight over that, like, seriously responds to your comments. His response there is no a 3P survivor response. It's the response of someone concerned with what happens to other players. He's not a survivor. He didn't claim the moment he could have, for a bad reason. He expressed interest in things that a survivor wouldn't care about. On June 23 2013 18:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Kita is troubling, I'm gonna call FoS on him. In particular, this post right here reeks: Firstly he FoS's acro for a really dumb reason, then he goes and votes austin without much more than "he commented on something popular" which is very weak. He asks kinda pointless questions and then apologizes for inactivity when no one had even called him out. I really expect a lot more out of town kita. On June 24 2013 06:25 kitaman27 wrote: FoS Meapak for conveniently disappearing around the same time a new lynch had to be decided so that his vote wasn't available. On June 25 2013 09:00 kitaman27 wrote: -_- Suspicious as in, I don't buy his excuse for being afk, implicating austin. On June 25 2013 08:50 kitaman27 wrote: I find this post really fishy from Meapak. He states that he assumed that nothing was going to happen with 10 minutes left, yet with that much time left the lynch hadn't been decided, sol just role claimed doctor, and we were obviously looking to consolidate to a player. I find it hard to believe that a scum veteran like Meapak would simply walk away at a time where we are scrambling for a lynch target. Only 2 minutes before the sol flip Meapak made a post, so its pretty convenient that he disappeared. When he returns, he makes no attempt to call the last minute austin bandwagon scummy nor does he return with a strong town read on austin, which makes me think he is positioning himself for the worst if we were to go after austin today. Also, I would think that the mafia would have 2 kp in a game of this size. With only Acro flipping and WoS coming from Zeph, it seems that either Acro was double stacked, a hit is missing, or mafia only has 1 kp. On June 26 2013 03:27 kitaman27 wrote: austinmcc Re-posting on how Meapak's actions likely implicated austin: He claims to want to push off the sk8r lynch because people he trust are reading sk8r differently. Why does it matter if someone like BC or Acro. A town austin would come to his own conclusions and then attempt to convince the person that disagrees with him to vote together. You don't push the lynch off because of a disagreement. Take a look at this post about events of the end of day one: post This post may look long and impressive, but it is 100% a summary. He hardly draws any conclusions or analysis based on the events. He doesn't call players scummy for voting him last minute, he doesn't call Meapak or geript town for not being around to hammer. Instead, he asks a few questions about crossfire, without really sharing an opinion about that either. He was all aboard the Zeph lynch yesterday, but wasn't around to push it at the end of the day. Today he hasn't even mentioned Zeph. He hasn't mentioned if his read changed or anything. He votes me for weak reasoning. Like look at our interactions. What does a super three way bus accomplish other then ending up with a bunch of dead mafia? I'm a survivor. 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Why I am not and cannot be a Serial Killer 1) The wording of the win conditions: The Alliance You win when all Anti-Town forces are dead. The Church You win when all Town forces are dead. The mafia team wins when all Town forces are dead. If you need to, confirm with the hosts that this is not a typo because this is really important. By definition, Serial Killers win when they are the only player remaining in the game. Suppose it is 2 mafia, 1 town, and 1 serial killer. Everyone lynches the town player and it is 2 mafia, 1 serial killer. There are no town remaining so the game ends in a mafia victory. This is a 100% conflict with the Serial Killer win condition of being the sole survivor. As I said earlier, I am a survivor who must feed to the TARDIS to achieve my win condition. I am not anti-town because I can win with either faction as long as I'm alive and have met my win condition. 2) I have no factional KP and I have no bulletproof vest. Serial killers always have factional kp. Yes, I have my role, but the mafia team still has their roles plus they get their factional kp on top of that. A bullet every other day is hardly enough. Roles can be roleblocked, while factional kp cannot, meaning that in a 1v1 situation with a roleblocker, a serial killer wouldn't even be able to win. Furthermore, I have no protection role, outside of the D2 TARDIS that I had to out myself as survivor to receive. The moment I'm hit with a town or mafia kp I lose the game. Suppose a serial killer were to shoot mafia early in the game. Are they supposed to just ask nicely that the mafia team does not shoot them in return? Suppose I was hit by that random vig from gonzaw...well serial killer, you played a perfect game, but unfortunately you got randomly hit and lose. Sorry! Without a factional kp and a bulletproof vest, a serial killer would have next to no chance of winning this game. 3) My role had a lover aspect. " If you and your maid survive for two straight cycles(day and night, or 144 real-life hours), you become lovers, which means that if one dies, the other suicides." The win condition of a Serial Killer is to be the sole remaining player. If the lover part of my role were to ever go into effect, I would suicide upon their death. That means that it would be impossible to win the game. As a survivor, my lover can still be around as long as the other faction is eliminated. While I technically could be a serial killer that has a lover role, but is forced not to ever have it activated if I want to win, that would be incredibly lame. 4) I claimed third party survivor in my first post, night one, and day two. I claimed third party from the start of the game and pointed out my breadcrumb after requesting the TARDIS. A serial killer operates from the shadows and wants to keep his identity hidden for as long as possible. Suppose we lynched austin D2, rather than Sk8r. The mafia team is eliminated and who do you think the town is going to go after next? Obviously the claimed third party player. There was no reason for me to claim for the TARDIS as a serial killer, but it would be completely reasonable for the Survivor who needs to feed on the TARDIS to claim for the TARDIS. On July 02 2013 15:00 Crossfire99 wrote: What fits kita's actions most this game? I argue SK. He knew who was scum pretty early in this game and he has quoted the numerous posts where he was suspicious of austin and geript. What doesn't make sense is this. Meapak dies and pretty much confirms austin as scum for kita. Kita claims survivor because he got too trolly and obvious. Important note here is that he is spamming up the thread with nonsense and playing antitown even though he now knows who scum are and has KP that can deal with them. He know geript and austin are scum. Geript challenges him to mortal combat but kita has the TARDIS and can do whatever he wants with it. He could have used the TARDIS to hit austin because he knows geript's ability only protects at night. This would prove that he's 3rd party working with town by killing scum. Now put yourself in my shoes. Geript tries to kill me, I bus the shot to austin instead. I've shared my suspicion of geript, austin, and Meapak. The mafia have a strong suspicoin that I have a day vig as well. Guess who is getting shot at night? That would be survivor suicide and make it essentially impossible to to ever win with mafia. I suppose I could have asked for protection from a potential town role, but what townie is going to protect the claimed third party over someone like BC, gonzaw, or kurumi the inventor. On July 02 2013 15:00 Crossfire99 wrote: Day 3 comes along and he attempts to work with mafia!? Why if he is just a survivor does he need to work with mafia? He can just dayvig austin thus proving he is 3rd party working with town. Like I explained before, mafia almost certainly had the TARDIS. geript had his protection ability so austin would be the only player that makes sense as being protected. I shoot austin, nothing happens, geript gets lynched, I get lynched the next cycle and austin wins. On July 02 2013 15:00 Crossfire99 wrote: Kita then skates along and never will get nk or lynched because it isn't in scum or town's best interest to do either. I don't understand why this doesn't point to survivor. This points 100% to survivor. What more does a survivor want than to never be night killed and never be lynched? It means he wins. I killed Dandel because he was a threat to myself. What survivor wants to keep around a player that wants to kill him? | ||
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On July 02 2013 22:17 Crossfire99 wrote: 1. I'll ask the hosts about this. That is really the deal breaker. A serial killer cannot exist in this setup and that trumps all other points. On July 02 2013 22:17 Crossfire99 wrote: I don't know if you're bulletproof or not. Maybe getting the TARDIS made you a vet because you fed on its energy. You don't know if I'm bulletproof, but if I am, there is no reason to claim survivor in the thread so the mafia wouldn't hit me. There is no reason to think the game is over when BC fake shot me. On July 02 2013 22:17 Crossfire99 wrote: 3. You have a dayvig to kill your partner off. You also don't have to use your mason abilities. I can dayvig, but I'll only have 1 chance to do so. If the shot is roleblocked, the TARDIS stops the shot, or the player has a protective ability, the shot doesn't go through and I lose the game because I cannot be the sole survivor. Sure, I could never use the mason ability, but that is pretty lame. Notice how I chose geript as my lover and attempted to save him from the lynch. If he didn't get lynched, I wouldn't be able to day vig him (I knew so when I created my role), so if he was still around on d5, I wouldn't be able to win the game as a serial killer lover. However, I am a survivor, I knew that if geript was around by d5, I'd be able to win with mafia, so it didn't matter. Sure, I could never use the mason, but like I said, that would be pretty lame from a setup perspective. On July 02 2013 22:17 Crossfire99 wrote: 4. You breadcrumb survivor in case you ever need to claim something. You ask for the TARDIS because it powers you up in some way. I claimed on day two because a mafia night hit would end the game for me. On July 02 2013 22:17 Crossfire99 wrote: So scum shoot a "survivor" because they think you are "confirmed." That makes no sense. If you are a survivor, they should want to keep you alive because you can still win with them. They wouldn't know my alignment, other than trusting my word of being a survivor. They would have 1 player remaining against like 9 town and a third party player. The game would be essentially over and a revenge shot wouldn't be out of the question. The easiest way for me to lose this game is a mafia kp and I tried my best to not get on their bad side, while still keeping the option of a town victory open. On July 02 2013 22:17 Crossfire99 wrote: You don't have to shoot anyone if you are truly a survivor you know. If I have a chance to kill a player like dandel who wants me dead before lylo, there is no reason not to kill him. Plus, it ends the game quicker which is good for me. | ||
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On July 02 2013 23:20 austinmcc wrote: This argument is bs. DI didn't just "want kita dead." He wanted kita dead because he thought kita was mafia/anti-town. - + Show Spoiler + On June 28 2013 23:15 Dandel Ion wrote: Well good thing you decided to play for scum after they allegedly tried to kill you. makes sense. On June 29 2013 02:37 Dandel Ion wrote: He's scum-aligned survivor even if he is that, so it doesn't matter. On June 29 2013 02:41 Dandel Ion wrote: We could win faster, but risk a lot of shit relying on kita not playing anti-town as fuck, which we can't rely on. He needs to die. We can slow-roll this game, no problem. I see no need to rush it. On June 29 2013 03:45 Dandel Ion wrote: Yeah or it's simply geript-Xata-MZ-kita scum team On June 29 2013 07:52 Dandel Ion wrote: It'll be 4-3 kita is scum. AS I'VE SAID At this point, kita has options. He doesn't HAVE to kill DI. (1) He kills DI. Now DI is off his back, and there are less dudes, and maybe he can save geript. (2) He shoots me, lets geript get killed, AND POSTS THE LOGS HE HAS WHERE SOMEONE CLAIMS MAFIA AND TELLS HIM WHERE TO SHOOT/NOT SHOOT. I don't care if DI is the most stubborn person in the world. If kita SHOOTS SCUM, and then POSTS LOGS WHERE SCUM TALKS TARGETING, DI is going to have to take that new information into account. Kita didn't kill DI's family and burn his village, causing DI to swear some kind of vendetta. Kita just looked scummy. If he shoots me, geript gets lynched, and he posts logs, then absolutely no way in hell is town going to lynch him. If he's really a neutral survivor, he just won himself the game. Town is NOT going to kill that dude, and mafia just lost two players. They don't have time to be NKing third parties in that case, they have to use everything just not to die to town. lol you know just as well as I do that geript was bulletproof and you were TARDIS protected. | ||
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On July 03 2013 00:43 Crossfire99 wrote: What all of this says to me is that there are 2 options for 3rd party this game:
In the history of teamliquid mafia, or any other mafia site as far as I've witnessed, there has never been a third party "serial killer", or whatever anti-town third party role you want to call it, than can win with one faction, but not the other. That's hundreds and hundreds of games where this has never happened once. Survivors are extremely common, you see them all the time. You're looking for a scenario that is possible in theory, but not even close to likely. It's possible that gonzaw is a anti-town third party serial killer than can win with mafia, but that isn't the likely scenario. You have to look at what is probably, not what is possible. I help balance theme games all the time and the role simply doesn't make sense and would have like a 5% chance of winning at best without a bulletproof role or a factional kp. On July 03 2013 00:43 Crossfire99 wrote: I've already described your play this game. It doesn't match up with a neutral survivor mentality. What it does match up with is an anti-town survivor that can win with mafia. For all I know you could be a "traitor" in the sense that you work with mafia and can't communicate, but you can actually win by yourself if all mafia are dead and you eliminate town. It would make sense for you to be a pro-mafia 3rd party and use your mason to communicate with scum like you did. You readily admitted that you were trying to win with scum and become lovers with geript. If I'm the traitor, there is no way that I waste 10 hour on this game to argue why austin should be lynched and I should not, if I just win with mafia anways. There is no way that I make the mafia team look so terrible on day one when I need to win with them. "You readily admitted that you were trying to win with scum" I'm a survivor. Of course I tried to win the game when the win was offered to me. I understand you are upset about the fact that I shot dandel and tried to win with geript. You can hold a grudge, but the fact is that an austin lynch ends the game. You can't seriously let the claimed mafia survive going into a 2v1 night, while he likely has a tardis. That is 50% at best and a lot lower at worst. The point of the game is to play to win, not to play to lose because I'm holding a grudge against the survivor that tried to meet his win condition with a party that isn't mine, so I'm going to punish him by throwing the game out the window and flipping a coin. | ||
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When I voted with geript, it was 2 mafia, 3 town, 1 survivor. With the lynch and night hit, we would go into today 1 mafia, 2 town, 1 survivor. With neither the town, nor the mafia, controlling the vote in this scenario, it put me in a king maker situation. I could side with town, we lynch austin, I win. I could side with austin, we lynch town and night hit, I win. The last thing I was thinking about was a scenario where I would be forced to vote for myself in a 2v1v1 situation. I took a situation where I was going to survive no matter which faction was lynched. If I didn't shoot dandel and shot a protected austin, its 3v1v1, you guys could lynch me like Dandel would want. He was the person pushing that I should be lynched before endgame. it would be 3v1, then 2v1 after the night hit and town wins without a survivor win. Don't punish me for playing to my win condition by keeping both routes of victory open. A 50/50 coinflip tonight is complete garbage compared to a guaranteed victory. | ||
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On July 03 2013 02:23 austinmcc wrote: ---HEY HEY HEY--- Kita keeps saying he didn't want to shoot at me D3 because he thinks I had the TARDIS and was protected. Kita's shot is SILENT. We didn't know who killed solstice D1. He didn't type anything in thread. All that happens is that someone dies. You knew that there was a day vig role that is refreshed every other day. Your options are: 1) Use the self protection role to ensure a day vig cannot kill you 2) Do not use the self protection role because you want to allow the day vig to kill you. On July 03 2013 02:23 austinmcc wrote: EVEN IF I had the TARDIS (and I didn't and don't), how was I going to protect myself from a silent shot? I would never know it's coming. Again, DI wanted to lynch you because you thought he was mafia. Posting your logs with geript, shooting me, not trying to save geript goes a long way towards convincing DI not to lynch you. In fact, posting the logs, having geript flip scum, pretty much guarantees that I am the D4 lynch today in a 3-1-1 situation, not you. In your version of events, DI is so pissed at you that in the 3-1-1 situation he goes after you, who just helped town big time, rather than me, who geript has basically confirmed as mafia. That is ridiculous. That's incorrect. DI said, even if Kita is a survivor, we have to lynch him before LYLO. Would would have 2 lynches in a 3-1-1 situation and I couldn't guarantee that austin would be first if town wanted to remove my day vig from the game. | ||
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On July 03 2013 02:45 austinmcc wrote: What? Of course I knew there was a day vig role. The day vig was talking to my mafia buddy, claiming mafia traitor, trying to scheme out a way to get a mafia win. Why am I using the TARDIS to just-in-case protect myself from that guy? Especially when using it means I probably pass it to geript, who was clear mafia and getting lynched/killed. That means it goes from me (mafia) to him (mafia), and would likely go to town after he died, making it much harder for us to win the game. This whole thing about me maybe being protected is silly. I couldn't have seen a shot coming. It would have been dumb of me to use the TARDIS just in case a guy who claimed mafia traitor was going to shoot me. You didn't shoot me on D3 because you can't win with town. I didn't claim traitor and even if I did, your fake logs indicate that you wouldn't have believed me. I can win with town. You're making this statement as if it is fact, even though you said yourself that you have no clue. My death means that you probably win, but lying to push my death doesn't make your statement true. Anyways, I'm sure we're accomplishing much arguing with each other :p | ||
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On July 03 2013 02:51 austinmcc wrote: The other option is actually doing work at work Maybe go back to the bears thing. I think we all enjoyed that. | ||
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On July 03 2013 04:05 Crossfire99 wrote: Gonzaw, I don't think he is a SK. I think he is an anti-town 3rd party. There is also something in role pm mentioning the TARDIS. I agree that's why he shot Solstice. But I disagree saying why would he do that if it hurt mafia. It is day 1, he doesn't know who scum were day 1. In fact he figured it out because of what he did with his shot. Look at what he did from Day 2 on and tell me how that comes from a neutral survivor and not scum-aligned survivor. An anti-town 3rd party that you are describing based on the win conditions listed in the OP has never existed in team liquid mafia history. It doesn't make sense from a game perspective and it doesn't make sense from a balance perspective. You're confusing what a neutral survivor actually means. A neutral survivor isn't neutral to both factions. He is going to pick one faction to win with and one faction to back stab. He win condition is surviving. I had an opportunity at 2v1v1 and I took it. It was an anti-town action to take a join mafia win, but a survivor is not an anti-town alignment and I can still win with town. | ||
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On July 03 2013 04:12 austinmcc wrote: It's not the proof I want it to be because I can't get an answer to the question "are all 3Ps necessarily town/anti-town." But it's not PROOF that he's a survivor either, which is how he was trying to spin it earlier, and you seem to be taking it now. But it does open up the POSSIBILITY that he's anti-town 3P. On July 03 2013 02:45 austinmcc wrote: You didn't shoot me on D3 because you can't win with town. It's only a proof when it's most convenient to you. By the way, do we have confirmation that austin can't use his role anymore? I forget who said they created it. | ||
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On July 03 2013 04:19 Crossfire99 wrote: I'm not saying neutral survivor doesnt choose a side. I'm saying he chooses the side he is most likely to win with. In this case it was town since bc shot scum day 2 and you could have too, but you decided to actively hinder town at every opportunity even though it made no sense to do so. I got an offer to go into D4 at 2v1v1. That is an automatic victory for me (I didn't consider your vote steal). Hindsight is 20/20. I did not know that the mafia team consisted of 3 members on day two. I had a strong suspicion that austin was mafia, but I also had a strong suspicion that Sk8r was mafia (we still have no idea what happened to BC's shot refunded shot). Eliminating a likely lynch candidate is a poor move for a survivor. If I was wrong about austin, then I'm in an even worse position than shooting dandel. Sure, if I could do things over that might have given me the greatest shot at winning, but at the time I thought I was doing what would be the best for me. | ||
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On July 03 2013 04:26 austinmcc wrote: I asked geript about the RB on BC, and whether you were responsible. He said you were. Note that I posted these logs yesterday, when the rb on BC wasn't even mentioned. If I'm the one altering logs, then I had to realize YESTERDAY that the roleblock might come up, and alter logs before it was ever mentioned just to have them in the future. You would know the roleblock might come up if you were the roleblocker. Is now a good time to point out that the mafia doesn't have a flipped roleblocker in a setup with all blues? Furthermore, zeph confirmed my role does not have a roleblock. So if I didn't do it, town didn't do it, who did? Furthermore, even if you didn't rb the bc shot, we have no proof that your role doesn't have any other abilities. It doesn't make sense for a role to just suddenly stop working after day two. | ||
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We've established that I'm not mafia. Therefore, mafia would have no idea what I did to the TARDIS. When I asked if the TARDIS was a worry with my day shot, they flat out replied no. You don't speak in certainty like that unless you know it's not an issue. | ||
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On July 03 2013 04:37 Crossfire99 wrote: He knew who was scum pretty early in this game and he has quoted the numerous posts where he was suspicious of austin and geript. What doesn't make sense is this. Meapak dies and pretty much confirms austin as scum for kita. If austin was confirmed scum to me, then why wasn't austin confirmed scum to town? I didn't have any additional information. austin was apparently helping out town by passing out vig shots and medics. I had a suspicion that austin could be mafia, but he almost certainly was not confirmed scum to me. On July 03 2013 04:37 Crossfire99 wrote: Kita claims survivor because he got too trolly and obvious. Important note here is that he is spamming up the thread with nonsense and playing antitown even though he now knows who scum are and has KP that can deal with them. He know geript and austin are scum. I do not know geript is scum. I accuse him of being scum for mortal combating me, but that is more an omgus than anything. You're making a huge leap in logic by saying I know the identities of two mafia. I don't have any more information than town has. On July 03 2013 04:37 Crossfire99 wrote: Geript challenges him to mortal combat but kita has the TARDIS and can do whatever he wants with it. He could have used the TARDIS to hit austin because he knows geript's ability only protects at night. This would prove that he's 3rd party working with town by killing scum. Instead of this, he kills Dandel and tries to lynch sk8r instead of austin. (Even if he thinks sk8r is scum, he is more sure of austin at this point and has been pushing him previously.) I thought sk8r was scum just as much as austin. In fact, probably more. Remember that sk8r was my day one lynch and that I banked on the TARDIS confirming my alignment when I passed it to kurumi using the anti-mafia clause. Like I said earlier, shooting austin would have worked out better for me, but hindsight is 20/20. Why didn't you lynch the obvious scum in austin? That doesn't make you some weird anti-town survivor role. On July 03 2013 04:37 Crossfire99 wrote: Kita then skates along and never will get nk or lynched because it isn't in scum or town's best interest to do either. Yes? On July 03 2013 04:37 Crossfire99 wrote: But no, Kita shoots Dandel again because Dandel wants Kita dead and has been pushing it relentlessly. Exactly. Survivor mentality. Crossfire, a scum aligned 3rd party does not exist. It has never existed. It isn't balanced. It doesn't make sense. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=390080#2 It contains thousands and thousands of roles. The simple fact is that an anti-town third party player that can only win with mafia has never existed. It does not exist. It will never exist. The role would be broken. A game is balanced around the assumption that every player has an equal chance of winning. A non-mafia survivor and a survivor mafia have far different win percentages. That is the simple fact. | ||
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There is a 100% chance that I win with chance. gonzaw thinks there is an 85% chance that I'm survivor. Let's assume there are 5,000 roles in existence (I'm taking a guess but it is in the thousands.) That means 1/5000 roles are this weird anti-town mafia winning only survivor third party role which comes out to 0.0002 percent. You never address my point that the role you are suggesting that I am has a different win percentage than other roles by definition. That is not a balanced role and doesn't make sense. In response to your most recent post, yes I said I wouldn't play anti-town, but of course I want town to see me in good light. It's not like I'm going to open up the game telling town that I'm going to push mislynch after mislynch. In the end, I was doing what I thought was best for myself by eliminating dandel. I have a history with dandel. Check themed game, the game, bastard mafia. He joins games to get me lynched and I join games to roll mafia or third party -_- | ||
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On July 03 2013 05:11 kitaman27 wrote: There is a 100% chance that austin in scum. There is a 100% chance that I win with town. gonzaw thinks there is an 85% chance that I'm survivor. Let's assume there are 5,000 roles in existence (I'm taking a guess but it is in the thousands.) That means 1/5000 roles are this weird anti-town mafia winning only survivor third party role which comes out to 0.0002 percent. You never address my point that the role you are suggesting that I am has a different win percentage than other roles by definition. That is not a balanced role and doesn't make sense. In response to your most recent post, yes I said I wouldn't play anti-town, but of course I want town to see me in good light. It's not like I'm going to open up the game telling town that I'm going to push mislynch after mislynch. In the end, I was doing what I thought was best for myself by eliminating dandel. I have a history with dandel. Check themed game, the game, bastard mafia. He joins games to get me lynched and I join games to roll mafia or third party -_- EBWOP | ||
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On July 03 2013 05:10 Crossfire99 wrote: I mean if you really want to lynch austin. Sure. I honestly don't understand the way kita has been playing at all if he was just a survivor. But if you seem convinced that he is just a regular old survivor, we can lynch austin. You seem pretty convinced, right gonzaw? XD | ||
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On July 03 2013 05:54 gonzaw wrote: I'll trust you on that 80% thing then. I'm thinking though if austin may have a hidden power or something. Lynching kita might be the safest option after all perhaps. Bleh, I don't really want this to go on much longer though :/ Can I point out that 85% is larger than 80%? | ||
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You don't lynch the player that you think is almost certainly survivor because 80% is good enough. You're settling for the less optimal scenario and taking away my shared victory. | ||
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On July 03 2013 05:56 gonzaw wrote: Well, maybe. Like I said you are not really "that" high since I'm not good at measuring this kind of shit Also like....I only have 1 vote and Xfire has 2, if he doesn't show up there's not much I can do So if xfire does show up, you think austin is the best lynch? You already explained perfectly how this anti-town mafia aligned third party role makes no sense from a balance perspective, epsecially with the TARDIS on top of it. | ||
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On July 03 2013 05:56 Crossfire99 wrote: what we doing? The anti-town third party role you're describing doesn't exist. This is would be the ultimate conspracy theory. There is no need to take a risk. It is so frustrating knowing that there is a claimed scum, yet you refuse to win with me. | ||
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On July 03 2013 06:00 gonzaw wrote: Well, last minute switch to austin? I kind of want to see this 80% thing though Go for it, 60 seconds. | ||
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GG. | ||
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On July 03 2013 07:58 Dandel Ion wrote: I'm happy cause kita lost. I'm happy cause I got to shoot dandel, not once, but twice! Thanks for hosting deconduo and Sent! ^_^ Grats to mafia team | ||
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On July 03 2013 08:31 gonzaw wrote: can someone tell me a joke to cheer up or something? I was sending in my pm to shoot austin because of his gift comment thinking he had the TARDIS when s0l claimed doctor :p | ||
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austinmcc 06-24-2013 10:33 PM ET (US) Here's a thought I've had. I can claim 3P survivor, use my role to explain why I could be 3P. lol good luck with that... :p | ||
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It would have been really helpful if I was able to win with mafia after death or that the mafia team knew that they could win with me. I was essentially forced to claim to obtain the TARDIS. I could try to play really pro-town to have it passed, but then mafia would just night hit me. I didn't actually know that obtaining the TARDIS would make me bulletproof until after I passed it to kurumi. I knew I had to favor mafia based on how the game was going with the double dt check. If I had ever picked off austin, I'm pretty sure I'd just be lynched when the mafia factional kp was gone and I already claimed third party to get the stupid TARDIS. The mafia team had little to no interest in working with me because they didn't know that they could win with me and that made my life really difficult. | ||
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On July 03 2013 23:44 Xatalos wrote: (PS+. Otherwise good job hosts, but this one failure *might* have caused town to lose. Considering the lack of a second mafia kp, a fourth mafia member, and including several town roles that the mafia had little way to deal with, I think one 1 accidental death is still pretty generous to town :p | ||
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On July 04 2013 00:41 austinmcc wrote: In mafia's hands, especially with only 3 of us and getting outed early, it was "Force yourself to give town powers." I send out PMs, have to claim the PMs eventually, and then it becomes horribly obvious that I've been gifting powers to mafia if I ever do. I can't even fake anything, because I'd have to fakeclaim both a fake target of my role-gifting AND lie about someone choosing that person AND have that person on the list anyway, because the second person-chooser would know if they weren't. You created your own role didn't you? Couldn't you just include a mafia player in the group, rig the results every night, turn your role into a mafia kp and then never claim how it works? You'd eventually have to come up with a fake claim at endgame, but that endgame would come a cycle sooner and you didn't need to tell the truth about how the role works because only you know how it works. | ||
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The problem with all blue games is that everyone wants to be superman and that leads to really swingy games. Players that don't wind up with overpowered roles are disappointed, yet a game full of them is too rough on mafia. Even normal roles like detective or 2-shot vig become too powerful in a setup like this because there is too much role synergy when everyone has an ability every night. | ||
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