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On June 28 2013 20:31 Xatalos wrote:
If Kitaman27 actually is a Survivor, then I'm 99% certain that both austinmcc and Crossfire99 are scum. If he's just a scum though, only one of austinmcc/Crossfire99 is most likely scum.
Which one then.. Currently leaning more towards austinmcc. Here are some arguments speaking for austinmcc:
1) geript's filter is basically one big lie, since he's scum. With that in mind, there's no reason to believe that he was telling the truth about misreading the thread in a hurry and accidentally voting for sk8r instead of austinmcc. Now, one more vote would have been needed in addition to geript's to lynch austinmcc. BUT I can certainly see him, as the scum he was, making a panic decision and voting for sk8r, not willing to risk that some hero would show up during the last 10mins to get austinmcc lynched.
Normally a no-lynch would be very beneficial for scum, so it *could* also be just setting up a no-lynch to stall town. But if austinmcc was town, geript would also be scared of his potentially imba blue ability and somewhat likely want to kill him regardless. In addition, it would be much safer to just vote for austinmcc and avoid the suspicion raised by doing a stunt like he did there (if austinmcc was town, that is).
Conclusion: everything fits best if geript and austinmcc are scum together, but it's possible, although less likely, that geript merely wanted a no-lynch anyway (or he's telling the truth about his colossal failure, which I seriously doubt at this point).
2) austinmcc has played very differently compared to his townie playstyle. When I last played with him, he was a respected "leader" scumhunter, much like Gonzaw currently. This game he has mostly posted filler and setup speculation - very easy and non-draining topics for scum.
3) If geript and Kitaman27 are both scum, the scumteam would probably want one of them to remain as a "hidden scum". This fits with austinmcc being apparently very helpful, buddying and more active/townish lately.
4) Earlier cases and separate arguments by myself and others against austinmcc (see earlier posts).
5) I think I'm going to make a more exhaustive and "actual" case against austinmcc when I have more time and I get back to my computer.
Great analysis. There's a few slight hiccups there, but it's great analysis otherwise.
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On June 28 2013 18:24 Xatalos wrote:This is a lie btw - unless you don't receive a "roleblocked" PM in this game for some reason. Wth Crossfire99? Hosts: do you receive a "roleblocked" PM in this game?
On June 28 2013 01:15 Xatalos wrote:
And so:
geript is forced to vote for Kitaman27
If it's a lie, why isn't geript voting for kitaman?
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I got PM about austin shit
I choose "gonzaw" right?
kita be delusional as you want, you WILL die before the game is over, so you better reread your role PM more carefully and hope it actually said "Church" instead of "Survivor"
Anyways fuck this game I have no strength to figure out who is the remaining scum, all 3 of Xfire/Xata/austin are scummy shits 99% of the time and slightly townie shit like 1% of the time. I just can't bother anymore
I'll just sheep BC.
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On June 28 2013 23:39 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 18:24 Xatalos wrote:On June 28 2013 06:00 Crossfire99 wrote:
I roleblocked Xata. This is a lie btw - unless you don't receive a "roleblocked" PM in this game for some reason. Wth Crossfire99? Hosts: do you receive a "roleblocked" PM in this game? Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 01:15 Xatalos wrote:
And so:
geript is forced to vote for Kitaman27 If it's a lie, why isn't geript voting for kitaman?
Read the role fool
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kitaman27
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On June 28 2013 23:44 gonzaw wrote:
kita be delusional as you want, you WILL die before the game is over, so you better reread your role PM more carefully and hope it actually said "Church" instead of "Survivor"
Anyways fuck this game I have no strength to figure out who is the remaining scum, all 3 of Xfire/Xata/austin are scummy shits 99% of the time and slightly townie shit like 1% of the time. I just can't bother anymore
So you honestly think that at least 2 of Xfire/Xata/austin are town? And you're calling me the delusional one? :p
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kitaman27
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By the way, keep it up with the dt checks. Love those things.
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On June 28 2013 23:45 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 23:39 gonzaw wrote:On June 28 2013 18:24 Xatalos wrote:On June 28 2013 06:00 Crossfire99 wrote:
I roleblocked Xata. This is a lie btw - unless you don't receive a "roleblocked" PM in this game for some reason. Wth Crossfire99? Hosts: do you receive a "roleblocked" PM in this game? On June 28 2013 01:15 Xatalos wrote:
And so:
geript is forced to vote for Kitaman27 If it's a lie, why isn't geript voting for kitaman? Read the role fool
Oh
So lastminute switch to kita so both him and geript die (since geript isn't voting kita)?
Cool
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i got a pm too. I'm choosing bc
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so kita, if you really are a survivor and want to survive, what did you do to the TARDIS? There's no reason to hide it anymore.
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kitaman27
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Passed it to Kurumi, though I mentioned that a while ago.
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On June 29 2013 00:12 kitaman27 wrote:
Passed it to Kurumi, though I mentioned that a while ago.
No, I mean why did kurumi say its energy was drained? What does that mean?
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kitaman27
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On June 29 2013 00:18 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 00:12 kitaman27 wrote:
Passed it to Kurumi, though I mentioned that a while ago. No, I mean why did kurumi say its energy was drained? What does that mean?
That I reached the first part of my win condition by using the TARDIS?
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On June 29 2013 00:21 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 00:18 Crossfire99 wrote:On June 29 2013 00:12 kitaman27 wrote:
Passed it to Kurumi, though I mentioned that a while ago. No, I mean why did kurumi say its energy was drained? What does that mean? That I reached the first part of my win condition by using the TARDIS?
Does that mean that it can't be used anymore?
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kitaman27
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On June 29 2013 00:21 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 00:21 kitaman27 wrote:On June 29 2013 00:18 Crossfire99 wrote:On June 29 2013 00:12 kitaman27 wrote:
Passed it to Kurumi, though I mentioned that a while ago. No, I mean why did kurumi say its energy was drained? What does that mean? That I reached the first part of my win condition by using the TARDIS? Does that mean that it can't be used anymore?
Not that I'm aware of.
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Okay, I'm thinking a little bit about this and I'm getting confused as fuck
On June 24 2013 07:44 kitaman27 wrote:This is important. Please read.![[image loading]](http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/files/2012/12/tardis2.jpg) Whoever owns the TARDIS, please pass it to me tonight. I just need you to trust me on this one, but there will be evidence of its usage in the day post tomorrow and how it will clearly benefit town. Additionally, the role I created can ensure that I will be protected from night hits/busdrivers/roleblocks. I'm requesting protection from Strax tonight so I can pull of my ability with the TARDIS tonight. If I end up dead tomorrow, Strax is almost certainly scum. If there is a watcher role out there, it might be worth being on me as well, since it can essentially confirm me, Strax, and the Tardis owner as town if things go as planned.
My questions is very simple actually:
How could scum kita know the TARDIS existed in the game at that point?
First of all, there were only TWO mentions of the TARDIS before that point:
1)I think it was me or others speculating about 3rd party needing a TARDIS, that's why he shot solstice (lol I can't believe I kind of guessed that one, considering sk8 gave TARDIS to sol)
2)Sol's role was The Doctor, and talked about the TARDIS, but it was just flavor for the "mason companion" thing, thus irrelevant
The only 2 people that KNEW about the Tardis by then where Xfire and sk8.
CTRL-F their filters, they make NO mention of the TARDIS before kita speaks.
There is an alternative option, in which kita was just spouting random bullshit (as scum) about someone giving him the TARDIS. But it's too much of a coincidence. He would have guessed the TARDIS exists in the game as a mechanic, and also that it can be passed from player to player. How the hell could you just "guess" that, and be 100% right?
So if we take that out kita did know the TARDIS was in the game
But if he's scum, how could he?. The TARDIS is ONLY part of sk8's role that Xfire made, it's not an inherent mechanic of the game shown in the OP or something.
So there are basically 2 options really:
1)kita is really 3P and knows of the TARDIS because of his win condition
2)kita is scum with Xfire
1)In this case, when Xfire made the role, the hosts decided to use the TARDIS for the survivor's win condition, or whatever 3P kita is. So they told him in his PM. Thus kita knows about it, and knew it could be passed from player to player, etc
2)Only Xfire and sk8 "knew" about the Tardis. Sk8 flipped town. So if kita is scum, the only way he could know about the Tardis is if Xfire is scum with him and told him in their scum QT.
There is a 3rd option, in which kita IS scum, and the TARDIS is mentioned in his role PM for some reason....
....but why? Why would the hosts explicitly tell scum in their role PM about the role mechanics of OTHER TOWNIES?
That's imbalanced as fuck lol. If that's true then why didn't the hosts tell us about geript's Mortal Kombat thing when the game started? Or about MZ's "mason circle" thing?
But even if (1) or (3) is true, why the fuck would kita have in his role PM (or have a priori knowledge of) something ANOTHER PLAYER CREATED AS A PTP ROLE?
Like...are hosts allowed to do that? If I had created a Magic Dildo and given it to Xfire with his role, the hosts could have used that Magic Dildo for a 3P's win condition or something?
Hosts, can the mechanics of roles created by players incidental in the mechanics of the mafia game itself?
Another possibility....is that whoever made kita's role just happened to put "you need to get the TARDIS" in his role PM JUST AS Xfire made a TARDIS role to sk8. Remember this happened before alignments so nobody could communicate with anybody.
.....so.......wtf is going on guys?
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All that post says to me is kita's TARDIS thing is a scumslip and Xfire is scum.
I can't see any reason why hosts would manipulate a role so heavily.
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But of course, if kita isn't scum, why would scum geript waste his ONLY Mortal Kombat on kita on D2?
Why waste it instead of having an easy lynch in kita?
Unless Xfire is scum, then geript wouldn't know about the TARDIS and what it did right? So he was just 100% trying to kill a claimed 3P so that doesn't make sense.
This gives 2 options basically:
1)Xfire is scum with geript, kita 3P
2)geript is scum with kita (Xfire irrelevant)
(2) is the one we are all assuming now. Kita gets TARDIS, knows what it does, tells geript about it, they plan using MK with kita+geript so kita can bus himself with a townie of their choice: free day kill on a townie
Why use it on DI and not me or BC is beyond me. Maybe they used it on someone that voted for the MK thing so townies didn't suspect anything so it wasn't a "scum claim"; which is effectively what happened since nobody really suspected much until late N2.
If not, then (1) is the really only other choice. geript knows about the TARDIS power because of scum Xfire. He knows that if he uses it on kita kita will not die and use the TARDIS.
However, if this is the case, then why couldn't kita use TARDIS to protect himself instead? Then geript would just waste a bullet
And what if kita had bussed himself with a scum? What if kita bussed himself with Xfire/Xata/etc (whoever scum are in this scenario)? geript would be shooting his own teammate.
Argh, fucking game.
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On June 29 2013 01:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
All that post says to me is kita's TARDIS thing is a scumslip and Xfire is scum.
I can't see any reason why hosts would manipulate a role so heavily.
Yes, Meapak +geript + kitaman + Crossfire scumteam is the one that makes the most sense (or the one that makes ANY sense at all basically).
...but...what if?
Like....apparently the hosts may have lied about my role (sk8 said he made me veteran lookout or some shit, hosts said they didn't change roles basically, yet I got vengeful-spirit-maker; why would sk8 lie?), so why couldn't they do some weird shit like this, with either 3P kita or scum kita with town Xfire?
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At the very least, it shows us we should either think kita is 3P and look for scum somewhere else, or the scumteam is the one I showed above (geript+kita+xfire+MZ) and it's already "figured out".
If kita is 3P, then there is most likely 2 scum in austin/Xata/Xfire, which means Xfire is very likely scum (would austin AND Xata really be scum together? Xata tunneled austin since N1, and Xata was very quick to vote austin back in D1, etc).
So does this means Xfire is scum no matter what? Or what else?
Xfire has given me some slight town feelings ultimately, and he was clear with his use of my role in terms of picking stuff.
Granted, apparently he didn't RB Xata last night (maybe?) and I still don't know wtf he did on N1 (he claimed he couldn't get an ability or some shit I have no idea)
Christ I don't know
Meh
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yeah i'm not sure gonzaw. I know i'm not scum so it can't be 2. Also, gonzaw imagine i'm scum and sk8r is town. The only people who know anything at all about the TARDIS are my scumbuddies and sk8r. I know sk8r can pass it. Why don't I at night just tell sk8r to use his role to me and give me a gift or something. The TARDIS stays hidden from town and scum have it without being obvious about it. Actually, think about this.
IF I WAS SCUM AND KITA WAS SCUM, I WOULD HAVE TOLD KITA TO BUS MEAPAK TO SAVE HIM FROM BC'S SHOT. SO KITA AND I CAN'T BOTH BE SCUM. SAY HE'S NOT SCUM. SAY I'M SCUM, I SEE SOMEONE ASKING FOR THE TARDIS SO I TELL SK8R TO GIVE IT TO ME INSTEAD BECAUSE I JUST DEFENDED HIM SO HE TRUSTS ME AND I DON'T WANT TO GIVE IT TO NONSCUM. I'M THEN ABLE TO SAVE MEAPAK. BASICALLY I THINK I JUST PROVED I'M NOT SCUM LOL.
Because of all of this i think kita is actually a survivor now because i don't see scum being told about the TARDIS, which means austin must be scum with geript and xata. Ugh i need to look over austin's filter and think about thsi.
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