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Just a simple game of Mafia.
Created/Hosted by Hapahauli
Co-Hosted by iamperfection and StrongandBig
The Basics:
- Six Vanilla Townies + One Doctor vs. Two Mafia Goons
- Instant-majority lynch.
- No night-cycle.
Voting:
- All voting is done in-thread. Standard formatting (##Vote: <Player>).
- A player is lynched as soon as he reaches a clear majority of votes.
- After a player is lynched, no posting is allowed until the next daypost.
- 48-hour lynch deadline on Day 1. No deadline for Day 2 and beyond.
- If I feel a day is dragging on too long, I will set a lynch-deadline for that day.
House Rules:
- You must post once every 24 hours and make a good-faith effort to participate in the game. This will be strictly enforced barring special circumstances or notifying me in advance of your absence.
- I am very lenient about in-thread behavior - Mafia is an emotional game. You will be warned if you cross the line. You will be modkilled/replaced if you cross it again. (If I have to resort to this, I assure you that you've made an ass of yourself.)
- Don't cheat. See the TL Mafia Model OP (click!) for details.
- Play to win.
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Important Posts:
+ Show Spoiler +
Flips
+ Show Spoiler +Sylencia, Lynched Day 1
AxleGreaser, Shot Night 1
risk.nuke, Lynched Day 2
VisceraEyes, Shot Night 2
RebirthOfLegend, Lynched Day 3
Game Over!
Player-List:
Replacements:
Sample Role PM's
Vanilla Townie
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Doctor
+ Show Spoiler +You're the Doctor! Hunt scum and protect the town with your medical expertise!
You may not heal yourself.
You may not save the same person twice in a row.
You will not be notified of a successful night-save.
PM all night actions to the host and co-hosts.
Mafia Goon
+ Show Spoiler +You're a Mafia Goon!
Your partner-in-crime is <xxxxxxxxx>!
Viscously murder everyone else.
QuickTopic Link:
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Please sign-in by typing "I agree to all the rules and activity requirements in the OP."
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/in
I agree to all the rules and activity requirements in the OP.
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/in I agree to all the rules and activity requirements in the OP.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
/in
I agree to all the rules and activity requirements in the OP.
But phrase no in OP ((( sorry
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On March 26 2013 08:13 Hapahauli wrote:
Please sign-in by typing "I agree to all the rules and activity requirements in the OP."
Please read the OP. I made it really short and simple for this reason.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Get dat cohost thing otherwise you will receive a very angry PM from me about the necessities of having a cohost for you game.
+ Show Spoiler +By "a very angry PM" I mean "Please find a cohost so I don't lose sleep at night >.<"
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On March 26 2013 09:18 Foolishness wrote:Get dat cohost thing otherwise you will receive a very angry PM from me about the necessities of having a cohost for you game. + Show Spoiler +By "a very angry PM" I mean "Please find a cohost so I don't lose sleep at night >.<"
I have two co-hosts effectively lined up. They just need to confirm.
And like hell I'm going to host an instant-majority lynch game w/out a co-host >>
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On March 26 2013 09:00 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 08:13 Hapahauli wrote:
Please sign-in by typing "I agree to all the rules and activity requirements in the OP." Please read the OP. I made it really short and simple for this reason.
happa so scummy. Never reads op demands others to do so.
ya ill be your co host.
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On March 26 2013 10:09 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 09:00 Hapahauli wrote:On March 26 2013 08:13 Hapahauli wrote:
Please sign-in by typing "I agree to all the rules and activity requirements in the OP." Please read the OP. I made it really short and simple for this reason. happa so scummy. Never reads op demands others to do so. ya ill be your co host.
I bestow'eth upon thee the power of the blue-text.
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I like the banner. Did you make it yourself?
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"I agree to all the rules and activity requirements in the OP."[/blue][/b][/big][/big][/QUOTE]
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On March 26 2013 12:08 HiroPro wrote:
I like the banner. Did you make it yourself?
Yep. 10-minutes of me fumbling around photoshop ended up producing something reasonable =)
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/in /out whatever the fuck
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On March 26 2013 14:11 kushm4sta wrote:
/in /out whatever the fuck
Uh so is that an /in or what?
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/In
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On March 26 2013 08:50 Ghor wrote:
/in
I agree to all the rules and activity requirements in the OP.
But phrase no in OP ((( sorry Smurf?
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/hang out with obzy in the obs qt
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/obs 
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/obs please 
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more demand for obs than there is for the game.
Gonna have to start charging for the obs and pay players in order to attract them.
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Wish I had time to play T_T
I'll be watching!
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/in
I agree to all the rules and activity requirements in the OP
How will "night" actions be resolved (medic target and mafia KP)?
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United Kingdom36158 Posts
I reckon if the mafia hit the guy the medic is protecting, the guy survives!
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I meant more along the lines of "There is no night phase, when do these things get determined?"
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/in
I agree to all the rules and activity requirements in the OP.
I've played some mafia on other sites, but not yet on TL. I think this will be a fun one to start with.
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On March 27 2013 01:54 Hopeless1der wrote:
I meant more along the lines of "There is no night phase, when do these things get determined?"
Yea I wonder how things will work in this aspect.
The doctor and the mafia have to have some time for their actions, maybe it will be just as soon as they PM the mod?
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Hueheuheuheuheheuehuehhe
Nice setup.
Hueheuheuheuehue
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On March 27 2013 00:14 Hopeless1der wrote:
/in
I agree to all the rules and activity requirements in the OP
How will "night" actions be resolved (medic target and mafia KP)?
The night-phase starts immediately after the lynch. There's no posting in the night-phase, and night actions will be PM'd to me in that time. Once I receive all the actions, I'll put the day-post up.
In order to protect player identities, I'll be adding random delays in between the time I receive night-action PM's and the time I put up the daypost.
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/in
I agree to all the rules and activity requirements in the OP.
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Player list is FULL. Game will start tomorrow at approximately 08:00 TL time (23.5 hours from now).
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REDACTED - going to delay the start a day or so do double-check some things.
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United Kingdom36158 Posts
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Zealos decided to /out, so there's 1 more open slot available
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/in
I agree to all the rules and activity requirements in the OP.
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Smancer has /out'ed, so there are 2 slots available.
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I would have said something but thread sentiment is town on Hapa :X
Wait til Day imo imo. Thx though Prom.
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Was on phone 
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On March 28 2013 07:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
I would have said something but thread sentiment is town on Hapa :X
Wait til Day imo imo. Thx though Prom.
yeah hapas role is also Imba; un-nkillable and unlynchable !
so yeah might as well just assume he is town and play on regardless.
..and yeah as VE says, the first day post will probably give us some more info,
as will the timing of the first vote count. My gut feel is he will be towny town town.
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So this is not starting tonight as we are missing one sign up, right?
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On March 28 2013 09:29 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 07:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
I would have said something but thread sentiment is town on Hapa :X
Wait til Day imo imo. Thx though Prom. yeah hapas role is also Imba; un-nkillable and unlynchable ! so yeah might as well just assume he is town and play on regardless. ..and yeah as VE says, the first day post will probably give us some more info, as will the timing of the first vote count. My gut feel is he will be towny town town.
I will be very disappointed if you don't lynch the host, though.
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On March 29 2013 03:11 Tunkeg wrote:
So this is not starting tonight as we are missing one sign up, right?
Not planning on starting it tonight. Need to write flavor anyway.
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On March 29 2013 03:16 Dandel Ion wrote:
I will be very disappointed if you don't lynch the host, though.
Hi.
Given that to the best of my observation usually no one lynches anyone you had better be prepared to be disappointed or at least not entirely literal in the fulfilment of your wishes.
+ Show Spoiler +On who lynches who: There are instigators of lynches, lead protagonists, case writers, and hammer voters of Lynches however despite some peoples desire to retrospectively rewrite reality such that they are the centre of the universe and they personally Lynched scum... usually it is also everyone else in the thread too, each playing a different role. Even if some only plays the role of deciding who to sheep, there is no good lynch without first the sheep also making the right decisions. So in general, no one lynches any one. Real causation in terms of necessary and sufficient conditions is a complex amorphous beast. More generally: So unless you are determined to be disappointed in life/this game I suggest some creative/figurative rewriting/reinterpretation of your goals (Doing that is less self deceptive than, (as some people do) subsequently rewriting reality/history when overly specific wishes fail to materialize.) Thus being disappointed if I didn't make a good faith effort to lynch the host might well be a more realistic wish. Even that however, is on this occasion, likely to fall well short of the mark. It is a bit like praying to god and not only wishing for a Lamborghini, but also specifying what its number plate should be... Well it is just like that, except in this case I am not anything like god, well that and, "these are not the Lamborghinis you are looking for". Instead, be Zen, and cast yourself upon the flowing waters of life, and its inherent chaos, and see where that takes you. Will you settle for a good faith effort to be as novel/entertaining as an attempt to Lynch the host? + Show Spoiler +While at the same time always good faith playing to win. + Show Spoiler +Dear Host: I promise to neither cause nor facilitate the causation of defecating in the thread as finding smelly scum in smelly excrement is hard unless you are an expert Scatologist. + Show Spoiler + That amongst other things is an "in" joke that is not yet funny for you. On second thought it will probably (maybe) only ever be funny to me as I once knew a Scatologist and ever since the fact that studying pooh is a serious scientific endeavour has made playing pooh sticks much more fun.
TL DR; I am, primarily, only responsible for how I cast my one vote.
edit: typos
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Although I am out, I would like to:
/obs
please
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Axle's playing?
/replacement
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Alrighty I'm going to star the game up tonight at 07:00 TL Time if that's alright with everyone. Role PM's will go out around a bit before then.
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On March 30 2013 00:39 Hapahauli wrote:
Alrighty I'm going to star the game up tonight at 07:00 TL Time if that's alright with everyone. Role PM's will go out around a bit before then.
7.00 KST eh?
hehe
/obs
GLHF
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Ofuck it's Easter this weekend. Please do confirm if you want to start tonight. Otherwise I might postpone things
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I want to start right away ; D
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Start it tonight
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So is this starting in 40 minutes or what? Given that the day doesn't have a deadline, I don't think it would be too big of a deal if someone would be afk the very beggining of D1 but obviously that's something up to the host.
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A couple of players will be busy this weekend. We will start on Sunday night.
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I miss Probulous. 
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On March 30 2013 06:23 Lazermonkey wrote:
So is this starting in 40 minutes or what? Given that the day doesn't have a deadline, I don't think it would be too big of a deal if someone would be afk the very beggining of D1 but obviously that's something up to the host.
Day one has 48 hour deadline so it is important that everyone is there at the start
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I won't be here for the first 24 hours. Out of SPITE. 
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On March 30 2013 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote:I won't be here for the first 24 hours. Out of SPITE.
I don't know about 24 hours, but if you guys start on Sunday, I can guarantee I will be posting on Monday.
Not because I am temporally retarded, I am just comparatively advanced. :z
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I will /in as a replacement. If a spot opens I am willing to hop in as well.
On March 26 2013 08:13 Hapahauli wrote:
Please sign-in by typing "I agree to all the rules and activity requirements in the OP."
/agree
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/replacement or /in or /mudkipz - "I agree to all the rules and activity requirements in the OP."
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On March 30 2013 10:00 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote:I won't be here for the first 24 hours. Out of SPITE. I don't know about 24 hours, but if you guys start on Sunday, I can guarantee I will be posting on Monday. Not because I am temporally retarded, I am just comparatively advanced. :z
So now its Monday... so I posted..
are we still starting Sunday?
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It's sunday here :3
Starting tonight @ 07:00 TL Time.
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On April 01 2013 00:47 Hapahauli wrote:
It's sunday here :3
Starting tonight @ 07:00 TL Time. TL time=Korea time I assume?
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this better not be an elaborate april fools hapa.
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Yep. No April fools here.
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DocH still on the list I think he needed to out?
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Updated. Mr.Cheesecake is taking his place since he was a replacement first.
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Aren't we starting like...now?
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On April 01 2013 07:05 Lazermonkey wrote:
Aren't we starting like...now?
That was what I was thinking as well. Was waiting up for this to start, so I could be around for like the first hour or so, but if it doesn't start soon I think I will head off to bed. So don't lynch me for being inactive 
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Rofl I suck. Sorry got caught up in things. Unexpectedly busy.
I'll have to delay this 24 hours. Sorry again
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Owell, I'm going to sleep then...
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On April 01 2013 07:29 Hapahauli wrote:
Rofl I suck. Sorry got caught up in things. Unexpectedly busy.
I'll have to delay this 24 hours. Sorry again
Bah, I think I will just /out then.
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Hapa makes this panda sad.
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On April 01 2013 07:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hapa makes this panda sad.
Hapa makes this panda temporally dizzy.+ Show Spoiler +My guess is this panda should stop holding its breath while waiting in anticipation.
I am not sure what that panda should do to not be sad...
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/cohost i agree to the OP etcetera
posting for subscribe
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Are we full? I really want to play now : D.
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this game will never start 
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Starting tonight. Pinkie swear. 07:00 TL time.
Yes we are full.
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Role PM's being generated and going out. No postin' until the day-post.
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but not me! BWAHAHA!
Good luck and have fun everybody!
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Day 1
![[image loading]](http://i2.listal.com/image/2669447/600full-film-noir.jpg)
Detective Kale cracked open the door to find a christmas tree. Only hours ago, it was a grand pine, towering in the corner of the room. A lighthouse to a wary men who walked through that door.
But this grand pine laid shattered across the floor.
Lights, bulbs, and broken glass scattered across the corner of the room. Clumps of pine needles littered a once white and pristine carpet. As he slowly parsed the chaos, radio static echoed in an adjacent room, and Kale could only scan the scene in front of him.
"Sarah!"
No response. Again and again he called out the name. There was no noise but from the garbled radio in the bedroom.
Kale cautiously canvased the rest of the small-apartment. It was pristine as it was when he left. The dishes neatly stacked over the sink in the corner of the room. A well-dusted arm-chair in front of a freshly-wiped fireplace. Except for the tree, everything seemed in perfect order.
He walked slowly to the bedroom and peeked inside. As the lights flickered on, it revealed a well-made bed, and fluffed pillows. Shoes were stacked along a wall in a neat file, and a closet door was half-open revealing rows of color-coded dresses.
Though Kale could only stare at the bedside mirror. A message was scrawled in red-lipstick:
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Day 1 begins. You have 48 hours to decide on a lynch.
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![[image loading]](http://prod.figment.s3.amazonaws.com/covers/430254/normal/sf_pinky_swear.jpg?1347819768) </3
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And I'm town. Deal with it.
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I'm town too, want to be friends? -_^ I don't usually trust people but you seem like an honest bloke.
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Hi everyone!
I want to start things off by saying that this is my first time playing an instant majority lynch. While the first 48 hours obviously aren't instant majority, I still think we can start discuss some policy to get things going.
1.If we are about to kill someone, we should at least give the person 24 hours to be able to put up a solid defense.
2.Throw votes around all you want but if you hammer someone, you and everyone else on that wagon better provide good reasoning for that.
Everyone who fails at these stuff should get policy lynched right away imo.
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Please PM me if you requested /obs and did not receive a QT link.
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On April 02 2013 07:06 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hi everyone!
I want to start things off by saying that this is my first time playing an instant majority lynch. While the first 48 hours obviously aren't instant majority, I still think we can start discuss some policy to get things going.
1.If we are about to kill someone, we should at least give the person 24 hours to be able to put up a solid defense.
2.Throw votes around all you want but if you hammer someone, you and everyone else on that wagon better provide good reasoning for that.
Everyone who fails at these stuff should get policy lynched right away imo.
For clarification, Day 1 is instant majority. There is just a 48 hour time-limit on the day. So you could lynch someone before that time-limit.
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Pretty sure D1 is instant majority too, but we only have 48hrs to decide on a lynch as opposed to the open-ended limit of subsequent days.
Lazer can I clarify a couple of things about your policy post?
1) 24 hours from when? Someone giving intent to hammer? I'm not sure what this limit is designed to accomplish, given your second point.
2) This is basically stating the obvious. Are you going to find anyone who hammers instantly scummy?
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1. Basically 24 hours from the point where a majority of all people feel like lynching someone.
2. Yes, if we are going to kill someone, we might as well wait for them to out their reads and what not. If said person doesn't have the option to do so(for example if we kill someone while they are sleeping) then the person hammering are actually indirectly preventing potential information from us because even if we wouldn't be swayed by said persons potential defense, or areå really, really convinced he is scum, the possibility of us being wrong still exist and his reads will at least give something to work with.
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Hi guys. I'm town, just like VE and risk.nuke.
On April 02 2013 07:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Pretty sure D1 is instant majority too, but we only have 48hrs to decide on a lynch as opposed to the open-ended limit of subsequent days.
Lazer can I clarify a couple of things about your policy post?
1) 24 hours from when? Someone giving intent to hammer? I'm not sure what this limit is designed to accomplish, given your second point.
2) This is basically stating the obvious. Are you going to find anyone who hammers instantly scummy?
@2-> Instant hammering, will result in the hammerer being hammered (with a hammer). + Show Spoiler +
In English this time: Don't instant-hammer, or I'll move to lynch you as punishment. Town needs the discussion and attempting to stop that is scummy. If you are that confident in a lynch target, then you should be able to contain your excitement for a couple hours.
**The hammer itself is not scummy, its the way you choose to do it.**
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Okay, but policy-lynching them? That seems a little over-the-top in a 9 player game. Policy-lynching anyone in a 9 player game just seems like a bad idea. It's certainly something to factor in, but not killing someone over. In my experience, townies are more likely to lolhammer than scum are. Scum are generally much more careful in how they vote and if they hammer someone are much more likely to explain why thoroughly.
I don't support your policy.
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On April 02 2013 07:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, but policy-lynching them? That seems a little over-the-top in a 9 player game. Policy-lynching anyone in a 9 player game just seems like a bad idea. It's certainly something to factor in, but not killing someone over. In my experience, townies are more likely to lolhammer than scum are. Scum are generally much more careful in how they vote and if they hammer someone are much more likely to explain why thoroughly.
I don't support your policy. My problem is this: if we don't establish a HARD policy then we might end up in a really hairy situation where someone hammers a guy in a completely retarded way, and everyone will start defending him using the argument "but scum wouldn't be THAT dumb and suspicious". If everyone simply agrees with the policy then we will avoid stuff like that.
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Blah blah blah policy blah blah
On April 02 2013 07:36 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 07:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, but policy-lynching them? That seems a little over-the-top in a 9 player game. Policy-lynching anyone in a 9 player game just seems like a bad idea. It's certainly something to factor in, but not killing someone over. In my experience, townies are more likely to lolhammer than scum are. Scum are generally much more careful in how they vote and if they hammer someone are much more likely to explain why thoroughly.
I don't support your policy. My problem is this: if we don't establish a HARD policy then we might end up in a really hairy situation where someone hammers a guy in a completely retarded way, and everyone will start defending him using the argument "but scum wouldn't be THAT dumb and suspicious". If everyone simply agrees with the policy then we will avoid stuff like that.
Policy: Don't go full retard mode if you're town.
Savvy? You'd think this would be common sense by now.
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On April 02 2013 07:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Blah blah blah policy blah blah Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 07:36 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 02 2013 07:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, but policy-lynching them? That seems a little over-the-top in a 9 player game. Policy-lynching anyone in a 9 player game just seems like a bad idea. It's certainly something to factor in, but not killing someone over. In my experience, townies are more likely to lolhammer than scum are. Scum are generally much more careful in how they vote and if they hammer someone are much more likely to explain why thoroughly.
I don't support your policy. My problem is this: if we don't establish a HARD policy then we might end up in a really hairy situation where someone hammers a guy in a completely retarded way, and everyone will start defending him using the argument "but scum wouldn't be THAT dumb and suspicious". If everyone simply agrees with the policy then we will avoid stuff like that. Policy: Don't go full retard mode if you're town. Savvy? You'd think this would be common sense by now. Define retard mode. Isthat hammering someone too fast? Or something else? Do you agree with my points or not?
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On April 02 2013 07:46 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 07:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Blah blah blah policy blah blah On April 02 2013 07:36 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 02 2013 07:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, but policy-lynching them? That seems a little over-the-top in a 9 player game. Policy-lynching anyone in a 9 player game just seems like a bad idea. It's certainly something to factor in, but not killing someone over. In my experience, townies are more likely to lolhammer than scum are. Scum are generally much more careful in how they vote and if they hammer someone are much more likely to explain why thoroughly.
I don't support your policy. My problem is this: if we don't establish a HARD policy then we might end up in a really hairy situation where someone hammers a guy in a completely retarded way, and everyone will start defending him using the argument "but scum wouldn't be THAT dumb and suspicious". If everyone simply agrees with the policy then we will avoid stuff like that. Policy: Don't go full retard mode if you're town. Savvy? You'd think this would be common sense by now. Define retard mode. Isthat hammering someone too fast? Or something else? Do you agree with my points or not?
Be sensible about your hammer vote and explain it yada yada yada. You're policy lynch proposal is bullshit, because half the thread wouldn't follow through with it. How someone goes about voting and hammering is what should be looked at, not just "lol he emotionally hammered the townzorz must be scum"
Listen to the Mafia scumcast (Hapa had a bunch of stuff to say about British II in it pertaining to instant majority). Has a bunch of goodies in it.
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Hello everyone, I hoped this would start over the Easter weekend but looks like I have to cut some Monster Hunter time for this instead :{
On April 02 2013 07:06 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hi everyone!
I want to start things off by saying that this is my first time playing an instant majority lynch. While the first 48 hours obviously aren't instant majority, I still think we can start discuss some policy to get things going.
1.If we are about to kill someone, we should at least give the person 24 hours to be able to put up a solid defense.
2.Throw votes around all you want but if you hammer someone, you and everyone else on that wagon better provide good reasoning for that.
Everyone who fails at these stuff should get policy lynched right away imo.
With regards to point 2, I thought that Instant Majority lynch is supposed to shy away from throwing votes around carelessly? Well, that depends on what you mean about throwing votes around..
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On April 02 2013 08:04 Sylencia wrote:Hello everyone, I hoped this would start over the Easter weekend but looks like I have to cut some Monster Hunter time for this instead :{ Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 07:06 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hi everyone!
I want to start things off by saying that this is my first time playing an instant majority lynch. While the first 48 hours obviously aren't instant majority, I still think we can start discuss some policy to get things going.
1.If we are about to kill someone, we should at least give the person 24 hours to be able to put up a solid defense.
2.Throw votes around all you want but if you hammer someone, you and everyone else on that wagon better provide good reasoning for that.
Everyone who fails at these stuff should get policy lynched right away imo. With regards to point 2, I thought that Instant Majority lynch is supposed to shy away from throwing votes around carelessly? Well, that depends on what you mean about throwing votes around.. Your vote means literally nothing untill we hit majority or deadline. I don't see how instant majority would shy away from that.
With that being said, I do think it is a good idea to be voting, even though the person isn't getting lynched in the near future. Doing that makes it easier to follow who you suspect at what time and will help especially later on when players start to get looong filters and what : /.
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On April 02 2013 07:36 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 07:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, but policy-lynching them? That seems a little over-the-top in a 9 player game. Policy-lynching anyone in a 9 player game just seems like a bad idea. It's certainly something to factor in, but not killing someone over. In my experience, townies are more likely to lolhammer than scum are. Scum are generally much more careful in how they vote and if they hammer someone are much more likely to explain why thoroughly.
I don't support your policy. My problem is this: if we don't establish a HARD policy then we might end up in a really hairy situation where someone hammers a guy in a completely retarded way, and everyone will start defending him using the argument "but scum wouldn't be THAT dumb and suspicious". If everyone simply agrees with the policy then we will avoid stuff like that.
I still don't support your policy. For my part I don't intend to defend anyone who hammers using that logic. Hammering without explanation is a scummy move no matter who does it, especially considering the silencing effect it has on the town - but I will not agree with making it policy to lynch someone for hammering someone else. That just smacks of trying to make town afraid to be decisive, and I'll have no part of it.
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On April 02 2013 07:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 07:46 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 02 2013 07:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Blah blah blah policy blah blah On April 02 2013 07:36 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 02 2013 07:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, but policy-lynching them? That seems a little over-the-top in a 9 player game. Policy-lynching anyone in a 9 player game just seems like a bad idea. It's certainly something to factor in, but not killing someone over. In my experience, townies are more likely to lolhammer than scum are. Scum are generally much more careful in how they vote and if they hammer someone are much more likely to explain why thoroughly.
I don't support your policy. My problem is this: if we don't establish a HARD policy then we might end up in a really hairy situation where someone hammers a guy in a completely retarded way, and everyone will start defending him using the argument "but scum wouldn't be THAT dumb and suspicious". If everyone simply agrees with the policy then we will avoid stuff like that. Policy: Don't go full retard mode if you're town. Savvy? You'd think this would be common sense by now. Define retard mode. Isthat hammering someone too fast? Or something else? Do you agree with my points or not? Be sensible about your hammer vote and explain it yada yada yada. You're policy lynch proposal is bullshit, because half the thread wouldn't follow through with it. How someone goes about voting and hammering is what should be looked at, not just "lol he emotionally hammered the townzorz must be scum" Listen to the Mafia scumcast (Hapa had a bunch of stuff to say about British II in it pertaining to instant majority). Has a bunch of goodies in it. I never claimed that ignoring normal scum tells is the way to go but w/e.
So you are saying that my policy is bullshit because noone would follow it but I think that is a very bad reasoning. Either you think my policy is bullshit because the reasoning is bullshit or you think the policy is good but that it will be hard for everyone to follow it and therefore quite useless policy ( or you simply agree with it but that doesn't seem to be the case ^^).
I do think it is a useless policy if half of the players in the game simply disagrees with it. But in theory, if we could guarantee that everyone would follow the policy, would you agree with the points I made?
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On April 02 2013 08:29 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 07:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 02 2013 07:46 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 02 2013 07:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Blah blah blah policy blah blah On April 02 2013 07:36 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 02 2013 07:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, but policy-lynching them? That seems a little over-the-top in a 9 player game. Policy-lynching anyone in a 9 player game just seems like a bad idea. It's certainly something to factor in, but not killing someone over. In my experience, townies are more likely to lolhammer than scum are. Scum are generally much more careful in how they vote and if they hammer someone are much more likely to explain why thoroughly.
I don't support your policy. My problem is this: if we don't establish a HARD policy then we might end up in a really hairy situation where someone hammers a guy in a completely retarded way, and everyone will start defending him using the argument "but scum wouldn't be THAT dumb and suspicious". If everyone simply agrees with the policy then we will avoid stuff like that. Policy: Don't go full retard mode if you're town. Savvy? You'd think this would be common sense by now. Define retard mode. Isthat hammering someone too fast? Or something else? Do you agree with my points or not? Be sensible about your hammer vote and explain it yada yada yada. You're policy lynch proposal is bullshit, because half the thread wouldn't follow through with it. How someone goes about voting and hammering is what should be looked at, not just "lol he emotionally hammered the townzorz must be scum" Listen to the Mafia scumcast (Hapa had a bunch of stuff to say about British II in it pertaining to instant majority). Has a bunch of goodies in it. I never claimed that ignoring normal scum tells is the way to go but w/e. So you are saying that my policy is bullshit because noone would follow it but I think that is a very bad reasoning. Either you think my policy is bullshit because the reasoning is bullshit or you think the policy is good but that it will be hard for everyone to follow it and therefore quite useless policy ( or you simply agree with it but that doesn't seem to be the case ^^). I do think it is a useless policy if half of the players in the game simply disagrees with it. But in theory, if we could guarantee that everyone would follow the policy, would you agree with the points I made?
No. I generally think policy lynches suck. And i dont think ive ever seen one work out for the best.
Meanwhile ##vote: risk.nuke because said hi but doesnt wanna be nice and talk with us.
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I would much rather not make it a policy and let scum try and hammer "like a retard" or whatever. It's going to be horrifically suspicious if anyone does it regardless of whether you make it a "policy" to lynch them or not.
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On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Worst vote ever.
On the contrary, best vote ever.
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On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On the contrary, best vote ever.
I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal.
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Sooo risky, what say you to lazers policy shenannies?
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You want me to spoil the ending and hand you the key to the test?
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On April 02 2013 08:48 risk.nuke wrote:
You want me to spoil the ending and hand you the key to the test?
Well i sure don't feel like studying.
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I don't feel like this game getting out of hand spammy and I also hate when one person triggers the "I'm town" bullshit.
So let's save us some time and kill VisceraEyes?
##Vote: VisceraEyes
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I'm not even spamming wtf?
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On April 02 2013 08:16 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 08:04 Sylencia wrote:Hello everyone, I hoped this would start over the Easter weekend but looks like I have to cut some Monster Hunter time for this instead :{ On April 02 2013 07:06 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hi everyone!
I want to start things off by saying that this is my first time playing an instant majority lynch. While the first 48 hours obviously aren't instant majority, I still think we can start discuss some policy to get things going.
1.If we are about to kill someone, we should at least give the person 24 hours to be able to put up a solid defense.
2.Throw votes around all you want but if you hammer someone, you and everyone else on that wagon better provide good reasoning for that.
Everyone who fails at these stuff should get policy lynched right away imo. With regards to point 2, I thought that Instant Majority lynch is supposed to shy away from throwing votes around carelessly? Well, that depends on what you mean about throwing votes around.. Your vote means literally nothing untill we hit majority or deadline. I don't see how instant majority would shy away from that. With that being said, I do think it is a good idea to be voting, even though the person isn't getting lynched in the near future. Doing that makes it easier to follow who you suspect at what time and will help especially later on when players start to get looong filters and what : /.
Fair point, but I still disagree with votes counting for nothing until lynch time.
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On April 02 2013 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not even spamming wtf?
Not yet but I'm sure it will happen. Just taking precautions.
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On April 02 2013 09:10 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Not yet but I'm sure it will happen. Just taking precautions.
I hate you so much. Like it could be argued that your style of play (popping in once a cycle to provide reads and fucking off the rest of the time) is IMPOSSIBLE without people like me actively engaging others to PUT the information you use IN the thread in the first place.
But whatever if you want to policy lynch me for being me, go right ahead. I'm confident that others in town will disagree with your limited view of my play.
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On April 02 2013 08:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 08:48 risk.nuke wrote:
You want me to spoil the ending and hand you the key to the test? Well i sure don't feel like studying.
You need to change that attitude or you won't be of much use to me in this game. Nevertheless I will humor you and grant you your request.
I have some supersimple unwritten guidelines that work well for the majority of mafia situations.
I use my head and I lynch scum. And that is my answer to your question.
To assure you understand my ground I will elaborate.
At any lynch in this game I will advocate lynching the scummiest fish in the pond. Out of place hammering can ofcourse change a players position in the list. But there is no point in lynching him if despite his hammering there is someone else who looks more scummy.
That's why I say ney on policy lynching. It's ment to work as a threat to keep lazy/bad townies from doing rash stupid stuff that makes them look scummy and with that allow mafia to do what they want without sticking out. But that's no differen't from normal. In the end it all comes down to the townies to play intelligently and try not to do scummy stuff out of nowhere.
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Think RoL just set of the old kenpachi trap.
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On April 02 2013 09:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Think RoL just set of the old kenpachi trap.
Elaborate. There are so many "rules" and "traps" that I can't keep them all straight.
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On April 02 2013 09:20 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 09:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Think RoL just set of the old kenpachi trap. Elaborate. There are so many "rules" and "traps" that I can't keep them all straight.
The legend goes...+ Show Spoiler +Kenpachi claims vanilla townie and the first person to contest it is mafia.
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On April 02 2013 09:25 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 09:20 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 02 2013 09:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Think RoL just set of the old kenpachi trap. Elaborate. There are so many "rules" and "traps" that I can't keep them all straight. The legend goes... + Show Spoiler +Kenpachi claims vanilla townie and the first person to contest it is mafia.
Ah I see. So does this make RoL scum to you?
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On April 02 2013 09:16 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 09:10 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On April 02 2013 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not even spamming wtf? Not yet but I'm sure it will happen. Just taking precautions. I hate you so much. Like it could be argued that your style of play (popping in once a cycle to provide reads and fucking off the rest of the time) is IMPOSSIBLE without people like me actively engaging others to PUT the information you use IN the thread in the first place. But whatever if you want to policy lynch me for being me, go right ahead. I'm confident that others in town will disagree with your limited view of my play.
The way I played exists only because of people like you who flood the thread to near-unreadability. This game shouldn't be anything like last game.
If it makes you feel better, if Kenpachi was in this game I'd lynch him first without even asking a question. Your play from last game was horrible relating to that claim and you failed to deliver on a lot of counts, so I don't think assuming people think you are indispensable is the best play for you.
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I'm not assuming people think I'm indispensable I'm assuming people will realize that your policy is garbage when I DON'T flood the game to unreadability and AM still forthcoming with meaningful contributions to the thread.
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VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant.
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On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote:
VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant.
If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule?
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On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote:
VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant. If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule?
No I don't.
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privjet comrades.
ghor come into thread reading about nice policy talk, friendly atmosphere, good vodka flowing, then bad people come in.
ghor like comrade CC's vote on risk.atomi. risk unlurk, risk scare, now post more, only after vote.now talking about policy kenpachi trap while saying he not do policy things.
ghor think risk scummy, ghor like VE. ghor no like girthoflegend, he attack idyll, he not scumhunt, he provoke VE, risk support bad interaction. both risk and girth bad. capitalist swine.
if risk go lurk mode sometime, ghor think risk more bad. ghor wait. ghor prefer ve opinion on policy, but ghor see town good will from lazer too. they say they no like bad reasoning for hammer.that ok.
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ghor, are we going to be fighting a language barrier with you or are you just trolling?
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I had a similar thought regarding risk.nuke. Why bring up the Kenpachi Rule at all if he had no intention of following it? My thoughts brought me to "He's scummy". He's either:
1) Scum trying to incriminate RoL innocuously by "joking" about Kenpachi Rule.
2) Town trying to trap someone into agreeing with his assessment and voting RoL.
I ruled out 2 by asking him if he thought RoL was scum because of it, and he doesn't, which leaves 1).
##Vote: risk.nuke
Conversely I'm very null on RoL. Abhorring my play-style is very NOT alignment indicative for that guy.
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##unvote: VE
##Vote: Risk.nuke
It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you?
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Sigh, I could sense you were heading in that way Viscera. However my actions only look meaningless and scummy after you put me in a situation where I couldn't have the cookie and eat it.
I was scumhunting. Nothing of real worth was happening and an opportunity opened to fish for reactions, what I mostly wanted was RoL's reaction and or if someone else appeared to comment on RoL. However you cornered me instantly and asked me what I thought about it which was something I wanted to avoid. Because answering that would be eating my cookie. And here we are.
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For a group of people who just talked about the dangers of voting in a instant hammer game you guys are being pretty fucking reckless with your voting. I'm not sure if i have 3 or 4 votes on me now but all it takes in one or two careless players to come in and sheep and I loose my head.
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Can you point out where I've been talking about "the dangers of voting"? I'm pretty sure all I've talked about was how Lazer's and RoL's policies were retarded and unfair respectively.
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Perfect count
Risk.Nuke ( 3 ): Mr. Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, RebirthOfLeGenD
VisceraEyes ( 0 ): RebirthOfLeGenD
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. This is instant majority lynch
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On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
##unvote: VE
##Vote: Risk.nuke
It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you?
Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument?
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On April 02 2013 10:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Can you point out where I've been talking about "the dangers of voting"? I'm pretty sure all I've talked about was how Lazer's and RoL's policies were retarded and unfair respectively.
Will you please god damn stop tunneling? The thread have talked about it, I assume you read the thread?
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On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
##unvote: VE
##Vote: Risk.nuke
It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you? Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument?
On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote:
VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant. If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule? No I don't.
Doesn't seem all that legit to me.
On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal.
Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town.
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On April 02 2013 10:46 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 10:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Can you point out where I've been talking about "the dangers of voting"? I'm pretty sure all I've talked about was how Lazer's and RoL's policies were retarded and unfair respectively. Will you please god damn stop tunneling? The thread have talked about it, I assume you read the thread?
How can I be tunneling in a game that's not even 6hrs old? Nothing else is even happening for me to look at otherwise risk. If you think I should be looking at other scummy shit, feel free to point me in the right direction, but your scummy shit is the only scummy shit I've seen in the thread.
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If I was scum I could just have claimed I believe strongly in the Kenpachi rule and talked about it's high accuracy and incriminated RoL for it. I would legitly look as if I were scumhunting and doing stuff at the same time as I would be pushing my mafia agenda.
Instead I told the truth of what I believed in which made me look worse. Why did I do that, because I am mafia and retarded or because I am town and interested in finding scum, not just looking like I'm trying to find scum.
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Viscera. Tunneling isn't about time, it's about not having an open mind. You lashed out at me instantly and agressively for the smallest thing so clearly you're looking at me as if I am scum and are trying to find things things that are scummy about me to confirm that belief. Aka tunneling.
You want REAL scummy shit. Everyone that's not posting are scummier then those who are posting.
For 2, I personally think Hopeless1der look very uninterested in finding scum.
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On April 02 2013 10:59 risk.nuke wrote:
If I was scum I could just have claimed I believe strongly in the Kenpachi rule and talked about it's high accuracy and incriminated RoL for it. I would legitly look as if I were scumhunting and doing stuff at the same time as I would be pushing my mafia agenda.
Instead I told the truth of what I believed in which made me look worse. Why did I do that, because I am mafia and retarded or because I am town and interested in finding scum, not just looking like I'm trying to find scum.
This is my point entirely. You told "the truth". Why? If your intention was really to "fish for reactions" then why did you tell me the truth at all? It's as if you KNOW I'm town and didn't want to look scummy for saying something as asinine as "RoL is scum because he contested VE's town-claim".
The fact that it "looks worse" now is completely irrelevant because at the time, you had no way of knowing whether telling the truth would look good or bad. What you did know, however, is that telling the truth would completely invalidate your "totally legit scumhunting tactics". So why do it?
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
##unvote: VE
##Vote: Risk.nuke
It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you? Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument? Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote:
VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant. If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule? No I don't. Doesn't seem all that legit to me.
Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal. Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town.
ghor think contradiction also very strong point.but ghor want long day. risk ok, risk on chopping block but no axe soon, axe later. wait for other information, milk day, find other scum.
but that no scumslip, that was cc voting risk and risk saying he town and vote bad, you read thread pls hopeless.no offense.
For low probability that risk do stupid mistake as town, 3 vote on risk mean scum can kill risk together.
if risk town he can play harder than everyone else now and know if he does not, he dead.
but need other opinion from not posting people first.
no go quick with axe. Ploha.
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On April 02 2013 11:07 risk.nuke wrote:
Viscera. Tunneling isn't about time, it's about not having an open mind. You lashed out at me instantly and agressively for the smallest thing so clearly you're looking at me as if I am scum and are trying to find things things that are scummy about me to confirm that belief. Aka tunneling.
You want REAL scummy shit. Everyone that's not posting are scummier then those who are posting.
For 2, I personally think Hopeless1der look very uninterested in finding scum.
But this isn't the case at all. I voted for you. In my vote post I even outline where I tried to consider a town motivation. I'm TRYING to keep an open mind, but you keep slamming it shut with appeals and bullshit. Like what do you mean "aggressively"? I've kept a cool head about this whole thing. You're the one freaking out bro, not me.
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Why did I tell the truth? Because lying as a townie is stupid? Regardless of how great a trap you think you're setting.
I don't KNOW you're town but I did have and still have a townread on you.
There is no right or wrong answer about the Kenpachi Rule, some people believe strongly in it, some people believe less strongle. undeniably It has a high accuracy from statsistics but in my memory players who've been busted by it was generally newer players and doesn't neccersary mean the same thing for a player like RoL, but that wouldn't had been something I would have had to share with you now?
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On April 02 2013 11:16 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 11:07 risk.nuke wrote:
Viscera. Tunneling isn't about time, it's about not having an open mind. You lashed out at me instantly and agressively for the smallest thing so clearly you're looking at me as if I am scum and are trying to find things things that are scummy about me to confirm that belief. Aka tunneling.
You want REAL scummy shit. Everyone that's not posting are scummier then those who are posting.
For 2, I personally think Hopeless1der look very uninterested in finding scum. But this isn't the case at all. I voted for you. In my vote post I even outline where I tried to consider a town motivation. I'm TRYING to keep an open mind, but you keep slamming it shut with appeals and bullshit. Like what do you mean "aggressively"? I've kept a cool head about this whole thing. You're the one freaking out bro, not me.
the lashing out is about when I said people had talked about instant hammer, and you asked me to point out where YOU specifically had talked about it, even though I never said you specifically had.
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I can't (or shouldn't) stay up any longer. I'll be back tomorrow.
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On April 02 2013 11:18 risk.nuke wrote:
Why did I tell the truth? Because lying as a townie is stupid? Regardless of how great a trap you think you're setting.
I don't KNOW you're town but I did have and still have a townread on you.
There is no right or wrong answer about the Kenpachi Rule, some people believe strongly in it, some people believe less strongle. undeniably It has a high accuracy from statsistics but in my memory players who've been busted by it was generally newer players and doesn't neccersary mean the same thing for a player like RoL, but that wouldn't had been something I would have had to share with you now?
ghor not like this statement. ghor not think risk evaluated kenpachi rule with statistics. if he does he remember games where it worked. but does he know game where it not worked?ghor want proof. look like risk defend strange rule to save himself.
ghor think risk need tell what scummy about hopeless, risk said he look scummy. what make him more scummy than others who say privjet but no contribute?
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How is that lashing out or aggressive at all? The post in question:
On April 02 2013 10:37 risk.nuke wrote:
For a group of people who just talked about the dangers of voting in a instant hammer game you guys are being pretty fucking reckless with your voting. I'm not sure if i have 3 or 4 votes on me now but all it takes in one or two careless players to come in and sheep and I loose my head.
This looks to me like the bolded statement and the italicized statement are referring to the same people...people voting for risk.nuke. As I'm voting for risk.nuke, I was curious as to how the bolded statement applied to me. That's not lashing out at all, it's questioning the motivation of your posting. It's not aggressive at all, it's inquisitive.
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Hi. (It seems I am behind) (first we say hello)
+ Show Spoiler [ LOL] +Please: Do remember that reading whats inside a Lol-XXX is considered an optional extra and probably not win condition related. Also, its not my that fault the game start got delayed so long... and I got bored.... just consider these the trolly, keep the thread alive posts from the first 3 days (days -2,-1, 0) when everyone else was AFK. + Show Spoiler [ Lol- Flavour of Skip ] +With a nod to the falcon... page 1: Scene: 'dingy office on the lower outback.' My name is Axle..., AxleGreaser, (unlicensed scum hunter ordinaire #290296) It was a day like any other day, wet and dreary, just the kind of weather that lets you walk around with your trench coat collar folded up without attracting unwanted attention. Excellent sleuthing weather, but I had nothing to sleuth. Times had been slow, and as I had nothing else to do so I was kicking back in my office, waiting for something beautiful to walk through the door, when it did. <Ba da da Dummm mmm.....> In through the door walked, Skip, two limpid pools of love, you could die of thirst peering into the depths of those dark dark eyes. When she fixed that imploring gaze upon you, nothing else existed but those eyes. Time simply stood still as I bathed in the beauty that stood before me. Dressed from head to foot in only a black fur coat. The coat had a lustrous sheen that simply drew you in as it followed and clung the supple curves of her body. It was love at first sight, I would do anything those eyes asked me to do. Then, she shook herself, and sprayed mud all over the room. + Show Spoiler [Page 2 (aka dramatic, page turning siz…] +
That broke the spell..., and the now scrawny black dog looked up at with those same sad dark eyes that just let me know, some scummy bastard had been mistreating her. I was still going to do anything those eyes asked, but now I was an angry, determined, a sum hunter.
Thus my, sordid divorce case days ended, and scum hunting career began!
From that day forth, Skip was my partner in the pursuit of scum wherever they hide, Skip like all dogs has an amazing sense of smell, and homes in on anything smelling scummy, but as all dogs do, has slight natural predilection to also just rolling in anything that is smelly. Thus we make perfect team, Skip ferrets out the smelliest things that are around and I analyse them to see which ones are scummy, and which are simply “off colour”, “bad mana”, or simply “just bad”.
And folks, Fe Fi Fo fum, Skip smells scum lurking in this town. Right here in Noir city, we got scum, that rhymes with <Ba da da Dummmmmm....>. ….
Oh heck lets just, lynch em!. Lynch em all and let Dog sort out his own.
So far the thread has been fairly interesting. getting to L-2 and all that jazz.
Normally i really dont like telling scum how not to look scummy,
this one, IMO, is even more important than has been defined so far.
policy: For Gods sake, if you are town, do NOT Lol Hammer.
If you do..... it will be one hell of scum marker against you, hence not a townie thing to do.
Even if you actually were right and lynched scum... why did you want to stop the discussion so suddenly... what did you want NOT to happen...
If you are town; For Gods sake do NOT Lol Hammer.
Ok, I kinda hope everyone knew that, but given one or two statements in the thread i am not sure.
So operating on the assumption not everyone knows what to do, rather than just say what not to do
I will say what I think you should do if you think you want to hammer.
How to hammer vote? State that you intend too Hammer in the thread and see what happens....
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<crickets> How odd. I didn't think the LOL was that funny?
@everyone: Anyone here?
I suppose I could chat(play fetch) with Skip for a while....
@Ghor
Starting small and procedural:
@Ghor as I don't know what time zone you are in... would you mind saying?
I'd like to get some idea when our posting time will overlap. I am from +11, but I do get up late...
Other people i can mainly guess from previous games.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 02 2013 11:26 Ghor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 11:18 risk.nuke wrote:
Why did I tell the truth? Because lying as a townie is stupid? Regardless of how great a trap you think you're setting.
I don't KNOW you're town but I did have and still have a townread on you.
There is no right or wrong answer about the Kenpachi Rule, some people believe strongly in it, some people believe less strongle. undeniably It has a high accuracy from statsistics but in my memory players who've been busted by it was generally newer players and doesn't neccersary mean the same thing for a player like RoL, but that wouldn't had been something I would have had to share with you now? ghor not like this statement. ghor not think risk evaluated kenpachi rule with statistics. if he does he remember games where it worked. but does he know game where it not worked?ghor want proof. look like risk defend strange rule to save himself. ghor think risk need tell what scummy about hopeless, risk said he look scummy. what make him more scummy than others who say privjet but no contribute?
While there is no need to use big words to say big/good ideas.
one word you use has me stumped. What is "privjet" ? (I(Google) think it means Hello.)(but id like to be sure, and id like the thread to know what you meant.)
"what make him more scummy than others who say privjet but no contribute?"
means
"what make him more scummy than others who say hello but no contribute?"
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ghor like keep his timezone secret.
but i can tell this time bad for ghor normally.today exception.
ghor liked story, but disappointed when not erotic. ghor no like erotic with dogs.
privjet = hello yes, no writing kyril here, capitalist amerikanskij web.
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ghor like know what axle think of risk, and comrades that privjet and disappear.
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On April 02 2013 12:33 Ghor wrote:
ghor like keep his timezone secret.
but i can tell this time bad for ghor normally.today exception.
ghor liked story, but disappointed when not erotic. ghor no like erotic with dogs.
privjet = hello yes, no writing kyril here, capitalist amerikanskij web.
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ghor like know what axle think of risk, and comrades that privjet and disappear.
In general, I don't do what other people who either may or may not be scum tell me to do.
I do however have to cooperate and let you find out what you need to to know that I am town.
+ Show Spoiler [LOL?] +This may not be quite relevant, but _if_ there is indeed language barrier it may be useful. This was not quite the point of the story... "ghor liked story, but disappointed when not erotic. ghor no like erotic with dogs." Story was meant to have twist and be funny, by first tricking you into thinking one thing then surprising you. Its wasn't erotic with dogs, it was compassionate with dogs. The erotic was left over from when you were first believing the facts of Skip fitted a human female. When in truth one set of observations, had two(or more) very different explanations. Even now you cant really be certain of some things in that story... + Show Spoiler [Other explanations] + Some stories are fictional stories where the characters are animals, perhaps the detective in my story is a dog too? (truth: I did intend the detective to be a now angry dog owner) While that seems a total distraction from the game and scum hunting, a personal practical actual reminder of how tunneled you get when you judge a book by its cover was useful.
Axle on Risk.
I think Risk is under quite a bit of pressure. I think Risk has rather plausibly (given his time zone) claimed the need to go to sleep. I am left wondering what the Risk voters think they should do right now... and little intrigued none of them seem to be doing that.
Apart from that, for now Risk is big boy, risk can look after himself. As I don't know if Risk is town or scum for sure, now is the time for me to watch and decide if Risk is scummy, or are the people pushing him scummy and trying to look useful by parking their votes on him.
Also while I accept your desire not to state the time zone you are in, failing to indicate in advance when you will need to leave the thread to sleep etc, does mean that if you continue to choose not to say when you are available, and you get pressured as Risk just has, if that is when you choose to inform us "So sorry, Ghor has to sleep now", saying that then will look bad, or at least much worse than Risk going to sleep; It *is* late where Risk is posting from.
Thus you being a little more specific about when you expect to be unavailable might be helpful to you. You can however choose to not give town that information.
Axle on Policy Lynches.
Flat out rules of the form... if Do this, then we Lynch that, are silly. Everything people do provides an amount of evidence. The reason I so strongly opposed LOL hammering is that is such a not town thing to do that if any towny is silly enough to do it, it may lose us the entire game as they would then look so scummy.
I mention this notion of strength of evidence, because to me so far the thread seems little disconnected between strength evidence and the pressure applied. However just like my dog story I have several explanations for the same facts, it is just matter of deciding what is most likely.
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On April 02 2013 12:33 Ghor wrote:
ghor like know what axle think of
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and comrades that privjet and disappear.
People who turn up see that stuff, is happening in the thread so they don't need to take the risk of saying anything at all look scummy to me.
As mentioned, pretty much everything has multiple explanations, if it did not this game would be easy.
Sometimes it is important not butt in, if the conversation is going fine, and the exchange is providing you information there is no need for it to be you driving the thread. Indeed one way scum would save a partner, is to start some new line of enquiry to distract people. So silence is sometimes good thing.
Saying hello then going silent however... that is harder to explain as a town action.
It amounts to claim they have nothing useful to say.
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{triple post.... but apparently it is the dead zone.}
@Sylencia
Syl, I would like to ask you questions about your views of the thread, or see if I can read the mindset behind your posting,
or posts but you don't seem to have made any. That is risky way to Start D1. Do you have any thoughts on the thread at all so far?
just to be clear,
##vote Sylencia
(your post time meta suggest you should normally be available soon)
Do something, do something now please?
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Why the fuck does one of you not speak English and the other one fancy himself a short story writer?
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The one pretending to have a thick accent is obviously a smurf, and the roleplay is annoying. Axle seems to be an acolyte of Chezinu...not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing yet.
RoL I'm going to come across as pesky but I've got to ask: why are you harping on my play last game and providing posts like your last one? It doesn't seem to be in the spirit of keeping the thread tidy, and it doesn't provide any insight into what you think of their alignment.
Your vote on risk is uninspired too. You essentially sheeped the reasoning I gave and added nothing. Do you buy his explanation that he was "reaction fishing" and I ruined it?
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On April 02 2013 15:14 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Why the fuck does one of you not speak English and the other one fancy himself a short story writer?
Why the fuck do you choose to express yourself so succinctly that if you are town it is very hard for me to tell?
Why is that rhetorical question inflammatory of an emotive response?
I have scummy reasons that would explain that, do you have towny one?
Is that succinctness a purposeful stratagem so that when you are scum it is easier to fake?
Note my question actually addresses the game rather than merely inflaming...
While we are about it...
In this post
On April 02 2013 08:56 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I don't feel like this game getting out of hand spammy and I also hate when one person triggers the "I'm town" bullshit.
So let's save us some time and kill VisceraEyes?
##Vote: VisceraEyes
you were all for lynching VE.
by this post
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18177697
Your position was reversed and you are voting for the person your top scum read just voted for.
Did you examine this logic
On April 02 2013 10:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
I had a similar thought regarding risk.nuke. Why bring up the Kenpachi Rule at all if he had no intention of following it? My thoughts brought me to "He's scummy". He's either:
1) Scum trying to incriminate RoL innocuously by "joking" about Kenpachi Rule.
2) Town trying to trap someone into agreeing with his assessment and voting RoL.
I ruled out 2 by asking him if he thought RoL was scum because of it, and he doesn't, which leaves 1).
##Vote: risk.nuke
Conversely I'm very null on RoL. Abhorring my play-style is very NOT alignment indicative for that guy.
and find it persuasive?
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If someone were to call me out on trying to fish for a reaction and get information I would probably just ignore them and their question.
There are two posts of risk.nuke that stand out for me.
On April 02 2013 10:59 risk.nuke wrote:
If I was scum I could just have claimed I believe strongly in the Kenpachi rule and talked about it's high accuracy and incriminated RoL for it. I would legitly look as if I were scumhunting and doing stuff at the same time as I would be pushing my mafia agenda.
Instead I told the truth of what I believed in which made me look worse. Why did I do that, because I am mafia and retarded or because I am town and interested in finding scum, not just looking like I'm trying to find scum.
He says what he could do as scum. But I don't believe that's how it would go. You bring up an idea and let people run with it or see where the thread takes it. If he were to do that it would also put pressure on him to keep up that level of aggression/focus on players. It's not a position most scum would be comfortable putting themselves in on Day 1.
On April 02 2013 11:18 risk.nuke wrote:
Why did I tell the truth? Because lying as a townie is stupid? Regardless of how great a trap you think you're setting.
I don't KNOW you're town but I did have and still have a townread on you.
There is no right or wrong answer about the Kenpachi Rule, some people believe strongly in it, some people believe less strongle. undeniably It has a high accuracy from statsistics but in my memory players who've been busted by it was generally newer players and doesn't neccersary mean the same thing for a player like RoL, but that wouldn't had been something I would have had to share with you now?
I never heard of this rule, and here he is reinforcing the idea of it being accurate, but also mentioning that I might be immune to it since I am an older player. I don't like how he tried to simultaneously say how easy he could incriminate me if he was scum and how he is still trying to pretend this Kenpachi tell thing is real. As scum you couldn't possibly put so much pressure on someone for something so stupid.
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Axle, I never specified that I thought VE was scum. I implied that I would lynch him because I don't find his play style conducive to a productive town environment. I found the way risk posted to be suspicious. scummy --> policy in regards to lynch priority.
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Axel you never gave your own comment on risk.nuke. When I looked for your thoughts on risk this is what I found.
On April 02 2013 13:18 AxleGreaser wrote:
Axle on Risk.
I think Risk is under quite a bit of pressure. I think Risk has rather plausibly (given his time zone) claimed the need to go to sleep. I am left wondering what the Risk voters think they should do right now... and little intrigued none of them seem to be doing that.
Apart from that, for now Risk is big boy, risk can look after himself. As I don't know if Risk is town or scum for sure, now is the time for me to watch and decide if Risk is scummy, or are the people pushing him scummy and trying to look useful by parking their votes on him.
Nowhere in any of this are your thoughts on anything risk.nuke has posted, his interactions with anyone in the thread - there's literally no original thought in there aside from "I believe risk's claim that he went to sleep".
Instead of getting all up in RoL's grill for voting for risk, why don't you provide your thoughts on risk's play. Twice in this snip alone you sprinkle doubt on the pushers of the risk wagon. Do you think he's town getting the shaft? Are you suspicious of people pushing risk.nuke as your post seems to allude to?
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On April 02 2013 16:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:If someone were to call me out on trying to fish for a reaction and get information I would probably just ignore them and their question. There are two posts of risk.nuke that stand out for me. Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 10:59 risk.nuke wrote:
If I was scum I could just have claimed I believe strongly in the Kenpachi rule and talked about it's high accuracy and incriminated RoL for it. I would legitly look as if I were scumhunting and doing stuff at the same time as I would be pushing my mafia agenda.
Instead I told the truth of what I believed in which made me look worse. Why did I do that, because I am mafia and retarded or because I am town and interested in finding scum, not just looking like I'm trying to find scum. He says what he could do as scum. But I don't believe that's how it would go. You bring up an idea and let people run with it or see where the thread takes it. If he were to do that it would also put pressure on him to keep up that level of aggression/focus on players. It's not a position most scum would be comfortable putting themselves in on Day 1. Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 11:18 risk.nuke wrote:
Why did I tell the truth? Because lying as a townie is stupid? Regardless of how great a trap you think you're setting.
I don't KNOW you're town but I did have and still have a townread on you.
There is no right or wrong answer about the Kenpachi Rule, some people believe strongly in it, some people believe less strongle. undeniably It has a high accuracy from statsistics but in my memory players who've been busted by it was generally newer players and doesn't neccersary mean the same thing for a player like RoL, but that wouldn't had been something I would have had to share with you now? I never heard of this rule, and here he is reinforcing the idea of it being accurate, but also mentioning that I might be immune to it since I am an older player. I don't like how he tried to simultaneously say how easy he could incriminate me if he was scum and how he is still trying to pretend this Kenpachi tell thing is real. As scum you couldn't possibly put so much pressure on someone for something so stupid.
That is interesting, and i have interactions/explanations Id like to see with risk.nuke about what he did. I have other issues not yet stated, but I have those for several players.
I find it intriguing however that when I (or VE whoever you were answering) asked about why you voted for risk.nuke and I asked if you found the argument against him compelling...
What you quote in your next post is things he said *after* you voted for him.
What were the things he said before you voted for him that lead you to vote for him?
I assume you did have reason at the time and not just one you found afterwards?
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No, I explained with my vote why I had been doing it. I expanded on my reasoning in my last post. The last post showed risk.nuke continuing to do what I originally outlined. Like I said, it was like he was looking for someone to pick up the slack of the kenpachi tell.
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On April 02 2013 16:25 VisceraEyes wrote:Axel you never gave your own comment on risk.nuke. When I looked for your thoughts on risk this is what I found. Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 13:18 AxleGreaser wrote:
Axle on Risk.
I think Risk is under quite a bit of pressure. I think Risk has rather plausibly (given his time zone) claimed the need to go to sleep. I am left wondering what the Risk voters think they should do right now... and little intrigued none of them seem to be doing that.
Apart from that, for now Risk is big boy, risk can look after himself. As I don't know if Risk is town or scum for sure, now is the time for me to watch and decide if Risk is scummy, or are the people pushing him scummy and trying to look useful by parking their votes on him.
Nowhere in any of this are your thoughts on anything risk.nuke has posted, his interactions with anyone in the thread - there's literally no original thought in there aside from "I believe risk's claim that he went to sleep". Instead of getting all up in RoL's grill for voting for risk, why don't you provide your thoughts on risk's play. Twice in this snip alone you sprinkle doubt on the pushers of the risk wagon. Do you think he's town getting the shaft? Are you suspicious of people pushing risk.nuke as your post seems to allude to?
You are indeed correct i have not yet pushed risk. His absence would make that hard.
Nor have I jumped on throwing on more points or a vote. It was pretty early in the Day to be at L-1. That smells wrong.
The first time through as I watched the thread in real time, I actually found you looking scummy. (As i already had some of your earlier posts flagged.) Sometime since then i have gone back, un-tunnelled myself and tried to 'make up a story' about what happened. (by make up story, I mean this, I don't know who is scum so I try each combination of who might and see which wine is easiest to drink.) What I don't do is start with a conclusion and see if I can find evidence for it,
I can make sense of that period in the thread, with risk acting with scummy motivation, I can make sense of it with you being scum, and i can make sense of it with RoL opportunistically sheeping you.
As recently as this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18178835 you were yourself asking RoL for independent reasons for his vote. Indeed I think he was failing at answering your question when he provided reasons for the vote that came after the vote.
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On April 02 2013 16:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
No, I explained with my vote why I had been doing it. I expanded on my reasoning in my last post. The last post showed risk.nuke continuing to do what I originally outlined. Like I said, it was like he was looking for someone to pick up the slack of the kenpachi tell.
Ok, I asked because I didn't regard your original vote, as having the kind of reasoning I would want to put the L-2 vote down in rapid succession to the L-3 vote, especially early in the day.
I am sorry but I do have actual questions about the scummyness of actions, but a problem in that whoever I ask them of first it helps someone else who I also think might be scum make up a more plausible story.
I'd kind of like to hear what risk has to say for himself when he comes back.
In some ways, its your posts in this session that give me are better feel for who is wriggling on the hook, and who is town.
I also have to remember to try out the story that everyone in the story is town, and scum are laughing themselves silly and lurking.
So lurkers have something to say.
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Axle, you're just casually throwing a vote for me when you know when I post? Alright..
My thoughts so far:
- Ghor: Whether this is serious or not, language barriers are going to end up hurting us pretty bad if we don't get usefulness from him soon. Going back to my previous games, I had a Peruvian in the game who was scum (with me) and nothing he did could be interpreted since we weren't sure if it was ocmpletely understood or if he was just doing his own thing. I personally don't like having such a wildcard in the game. His 2 posts so far have shown he hasn't really provided any thought to what has been said and he's keeping the most trivial things secret.
- risk: As noted by others, there've been a few flaws in what he's said, the primary one being the Kenpachi trap statement, with 0 followup and a backtrack of what was implied. I do feel though that the early votes are... a bit early. The vote I dislike the most being CC's vote which is an example of why I don't enjoy throwing around votes on Instant Majority. It'd be too easy to have scum hammer down with few words said.
- Cheesecake: This filter looks atrocious in my eyes, casting an early vote with little thought, yet providing no substance while he's around. Not sure if trolling around is his meta but seems pretty scum from here.
- Axle: As usual, I'm honestly not sure what is being said that often from you.
- Rebirth: Main thing I don't like is the super early 'precaution' vote on VE, it's almost like baiting him into flaming you back hard so you could nail him for it. Doesn't seem like anythign came from it though but still strikes me as odd as to the reasoning behind it.
Q: Is there actually such a thing as the Kenpachi Rule? RoL says he hasn't heard of it, I haven't been around long enough to hear about it at all, and so this oculd be a major point RoL has made if no one has seen this apparent rule in action.
-VE: So far from what I've read, there are solid arguments and reasoning coming from VE with regards to risk, and as far as I can see so far, he's looking the most townie. This can obviously change with flips etc. but so far, he's the one I've got greatest town read on.
I'm pretty much null on the other 2.. As for my vote, I'm wanting to wait for risk to see what he says but I find CC's vote to be just too casual and without providing anything else after just doesn't seem right to me.
##Vote Mr. Cheesecake
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First, thanks
##unvote Sylencia
I may of course re-vote you sometime, with some scum cause but now I (and everyone else) have something to analyse.
Also while volume was good idea, list posts, ... not so much.
As other people may or may not have trouble understanding(as they live in their own time zones), I will define Syls probable post timing reasons.
The game started at 9.00am AEST, Syl probably had other RL commitments but managed to say stuff anyway.
Thus I am not overly concerned by any aspect of the timing of posts, but I didn't want it to drag on.
Consider that a complete 180 on the previous vote.
Spoilered as i actually respond to most of Syls post, so it is large.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 02 2013 18:53 Sylencia wrote:
Axle, you're just casually throwing a vote for me when you know when I post? Alright..
No problem I will do you that service each time, we reach a similar situation. I will also just as casually unvote it. I wanted to be sure you responded tonight(AEST). On April 02 2013 18:53 Sylencia wrote:
My thoughts so far:
- Ghor: Whether this is serious or not, language barriers are going to end up hurting us pretty bad if we don't get usefulness from him soon. Going back to my previous games, I had a Peruvian in the game who was scum (with me) and nothing he did could be interpreted since we weren't sure if it was ocmpletely understood or if he was just doing his own thing. I personally don't like having such a wildcard in the game. His 2 posts so far have shown he hasn't really provided any thought to what has been said and he's keeping the most trivial things secret.
Example: Ghor said this. "if risk town he can play harder than everyone else now and know if he does not, he dead. but need other opinion from not posting people first." IMO: You need to read it as this.... "if risk is town aligned, if he can now play harder than everyone, else if he does not, he is going to get lynched." " but We need to hear opinions from the not posting people first." (aka if the Lynch goes to easy, even if it hits scum, that is worse for town than if we have full discussion) Ghor, might be just as bad player as Jungle Jorge was in recent game....who turned out to be Sandroba.... On April 02 2013 18:53 Sylencia wrote:
- risk: As noted by others, there've been a few flaws in what he's said, the primary one being the Kenpachi trap statement, with 0 followup and a backtrack of what was implied. I do feel though that the early votes are... a bit early. The vote I dislike the most being CC's vote which is an example of why I don't enjoy throwing around votes on Instant Majority. It'd be too easy to have scum hammer down with few words said.
Really? You think it would be easy for scum to hammer someone like risk out of the blue and get away with it.... The votes did stop at L-2... I said some fairly firm words about LOL hammering. I suspect many hopefully all townies wont LOL hammer, if risk is town and scum want to LOL hammer a townie, even at L-1, and trade 1 for 1 that is a losing game strategy. However as, the 'expert' Ghor claims, risk may well have to play well not to eventually get lynched there is some player credibility in those first 3 votes. On April 02 2013 18:53 Sylencia wrote:
- Cheesecake: This filter looks atrocious in my eyes, casting an early vote with little thought, yet providing no substance while he's around. Not sure if trolling around is his meta but seems pretty scum from here.
Indeed his filter does not look good. Early votes such as his can be cast with little thought. Even my vote on you was a very very low risk thing to do even though it is now not early. Cheesecake, can play. So yeah that filter is not good so far, but it is also true that in my view Cheesecake should, not now pile more points reasons, on the case against Risk, with more words. However, If we get to L-1 on risk, Then Cheesecake will need to provide a reason to not retract his to me original fairly just for lols vote. @CheesecakeRight now Cheese... I think you ought do something in the thread, please choose your own target(s) HOWEVER for preference what I'd like to know is who else Cheesecake thinks looks scummy. We do after all have to lynch scum tomorrow... On April 02 2013 18:53 Sylencia wrote:
- Axle: As usual, I'm honestly not sure what is being said that often from you.
Sorry I do try. Sometimes I know I am very trying. You could always ask a direct question about a post. On April 02 2013 18:53 Sylencia wrote:
- Rebirth: Main thing I don't like is the super early 'precaution' vote on VE, it's almost like baiting him into flaming you back hard so you could nail him for it. Doesn't seem like anythign came from it though but still strikes me as odd as to the reasoning behind it.
Q: Is there actually such a thing as the Kenpachi Rule? RoL says he hasn't heard of it, I haven't been around long enough to hear about it at all, and so this oculd be a major point RoL has made if no one has seen this apparent rule in action.
-VE: So far from what I've read, there are solid arguments and reasoning coming from VE with regards to risk, and as far as I can see so far, he's looking the most townie. This can obviously change with flips etc. but so far, he's the one I've got greatest town read on.
I'm pretty much null on the other 2.. As for my vote, I'm wanting to wait for risk to see what he says but I find CC's vote to be just too casual and without providing anything else after just doesn't seem right to me.
#-#Vote Mr. Cheesecake FYI: yes I have heard of Kenpachi trap, so has Google, ...
BTW Cheese... That's a vote on you by Syl ^^^^ Do something, Do something now?
Although you are on the Risk wagon, (as the pseudo instigator)
Id prefer you did anything other than bury him deeper until he deigns to respond to stuff
or whatever it is a towny risk thinks he should do now.
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Glad you're capable of discussing anything at all without me.
Cheesecakes early vote on me was a pressure-vote. It was completely fine, What's weird and not fine is he doesn't follow it up or does anything when the person he pressure-voted gains additional votes.
People are asking me about the Kenpachi rule, I actually thought more people knew about it. Ghor, It was discussed in a post game I played one or two years ago, I don't think there were statistics but I remember people praised it's accuracy (before it got outed) Either way I know the post detailing the kenpachi rule was edited out because I tried to find it once.
I'll talk about Hapa after breakfast.
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@Syl
I have very short question Syl... are you around?
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Hopeless1der
it started with this post.
On April 02 2013 10:07 Hopeless1der wrote:
ghor, are we going to be fighting a language barrier with you or are you just trolling?
He's pretty much around but doesn't do anything or comments on anything of worth. His three posts tells us he was around and this is what he choose to comment on?
Compare to other filters,
dessert
fruity
His other two posts one is a sheep-post where he talks briefly about hammers, which is fine but it doesn't really add anything.
The second and last one is some cheap shots which mostly just serve to tell us he's not reading the thread and if he is he's just skimming through it without caring when we're 1½ pages.
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why you must
Do Not LOL Hammer
When you post "intent to Lynch" you then need to wait until we also get last reads from any plausible nks.
In game with just instant majority Lynch it is AFAIK good idea to always post 'intent to Lynch' before anyone hammers the lynch. (I have never played in one... so that is hearsay)
In this game we also have silent nights. If some tard LOL Hammers then the immediately imposed silence,
means whoever scum nks gets no chance, to post their _other_ reads.
As scum are likely to kill who-evers input they most want to stop. Loosing the nk's last _other_ reads (and flip speculation) is a bad thing.
So to operate in its own best interests, Town needs just a little organisation near the hammer vote.
I for instance have some things to say,
I want to say them after we get to intent to Lynch.
(While by dead reckoning, on the basis of prior form, I numerically shouldn't be the kill, but scum does weird WIFOM shit sometimes.)
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On April 02 2013 20:58 risk.nuke wrote:Hopeless1der it started with this post. Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 10:07 Hopeless1der wrote:
ghor, are we going to be fighting a language barrier with you or are you just trolling? He's pretty much around but doesn't do anything or comments on anything of worth. His three posts tells us he was around and this is what he choose to comment on? Compare to other filters, dessertfruityHis other two posts one is a sheep-post where he talks briefly about hammers, which is fine but it doesn't really add anything. The second and last one is some cheap shots which mostly just serve to tell us he's not reading the thread and if he is he's just skimming through it without caring when we're 1½ pages.
risk I am little confused you said you'd post about "hapa" which confused the dickens out of me as hapa is not playing.
hapa is hosting...
In this post you say... "it started with this post."
What started? are you responding to a question? What is the "it" that started?
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sorry, hapa=hopeless
What started was I ment what first rubbed me the wrong way with him, the post that makes you want to click at their filter.
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On April 02 2013 21:07 risk.nuke wrote:
sorry, hapa=hopeless
What started was I ment what first rubbed me the wrong way with him, the post that makes you want to click at their filter.
On April 02 2013 20:58 risk.nuke wrote:Hopeless1der it started with this post. Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 10:07 Hopeless1der wrote:
ghor, are we going to be fighting a language barrier with you or are you just trolling? ....
So when you said "it started with this post."
"What started was I ment what first rubbed me the wrong way with him, the post that makes you want to click at their filter."
Could you walk me through when and how this happened please?
When did that post rub you the wrong way?
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On April 02 2013 21:29 risk.nuke wrote:
When I read it?
Sorry thread, my last two posts were chasing what I thought was something significant,
turns out when I went back to verify all my facts, I had missed critical post where risk first
mentioned Hopeless... sorry i thought this hopeless thing had come out of left field.
Indeed irrespective of whether or not Risk, gets lynched or flips scum or town,
I would like some input from people such as Hopeless today.
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On April 02 2013 21:44 AxleGreaser wrote:Sorry thread, my last two posts were chasing what I thought was something significant, turns out when I went back to verify all my facts, I had missed critical post where risk first mentioned Hopeless... sorry i thought this hopeless thing had come out of left field. Indeed irrespective of whether or not Risk, gets lynched or flips scum or town, I would like some input from people such as Hopeless today.
That's good to hear, Your first posts made you seem like an intelligent person and I was starting to wonder what happened.
Moving on, I'm getting tired of talking about me, you said you had an initial scumread on VE? What triggered that?
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On April 02 2013 20:58 risk.nuke wrote:Hopeless1der it started with this post. Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 10:07 Hopeless1der wrote:
ghor, are we going to be fighting a language barrier with you or are you just trolling? He's pretty much around but doesn't do anything or comments on anything of worth. His three posts tells us he was around and this is what he choose to comment on? Compare to other filters, dessertfruityHis other two posts one is a sheep-post where he talks briefly about hammers, which is fine but it doesn't really add anything. The second and last one is some cheap shots which mostly just serve to tell us he's not reading the thread and if he is he's just skimming through it without caring when we're 1½ pages.
So you think we ought Lynch Hopeless instead on the basis of that?
he did make this post pointing out what he claimed was problem with your posts.
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Howdy folks!
@Axle: I take L-1 as one vote from lynch, am I correct?
Regarding risk: I'm not confident in voting him at the moment. While I agree that the "kenpachi-incident" makes him look kinda bad, he defended himself in a way I'm not sure scum would. I'd say that this could just as well be a strange town play rather than scum and it really comes down to WIFOM to figure out which one it is.
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On April 02 2013 22:15 Lazermonkey wrote:
Howdy folks!
@Axle: I take L-1 as one vote from lynch, am I correct?
Regarding risk: I'm not confident in voting him at the moment. While I agree that the "kenpachi-incident" makes him look kinda bad, he defended himself in a way I'm not sure scum would. I'd say that this could just as well be a strange town play rather than scum and it really comes down to WIFOM to figure out which one it is.
+ Show Spoiler + TBMK: in general use, L-1 = Lynch -1 = 1 more vote to Lynch. We are currently at L-2.
So if you are "not confident in voting him at the moment.".... what do ?
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Perfect count
Risk.Nuke ( 3 ): Mr. Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, RebirthOfLeGenD
VisceraEyes ( 0 ): RebirthOfLeGenD
Sylencia ( 0 ): AxleGreaser
Mr. CheeseCake ( 1 ): Sylencia
Not Voting ( 5 ): AxleGreaser, Risk.Nuke, Ghor, Hopeless1der, LazerMonkey
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. This is instant majority lynch. If you see a mistake please notify us.
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Total EBWOP... (even though the choice of hopelss posts is rather limited hence its obvious
On April 02 2013 22:07 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 20:58 risk.nuke wrote:Hopeless1der it started with this post. On April 02 2013 10:07 Hopeless1der wrote:
ghor, are we going to be fighting a language barrier with you or are you just trolling? He's pretty much around but doesn't do anything or comments on anything of worth. His three posts tells us he was around and this is what he choose to comment on? Compare to other filters, dessertfruityHis other two posts one is a sheep-post where he talks briefly about hammers, which is fine but it doesn't really add anything. The second and last one is some cheap shots which mostly just serve to tell us he's not reading the thread and if he is he's just skimming through it without caring when we're 1½ pages. So you think we ought Lynch Hopeless instead on the basis of that? he did make this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18177783 pointing out what he claimed was problem with your posts.
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On April 02 2013 22:27 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 22:15 Lazermonkey wrote:
Howdy folks!
@Axle: I take L-1 as one vote from lynch, am I correct?
Regarding risk: I'm not confident in voting him at the moment. While I agree that the "kenpachi-incident" makes him look kinda bad, he defended himself in a way I'm not sure scum would. I'd say that this could just as well be a strange town play rather than scum and it really comes down to WIFOM to figure out which one it is. + Show Spoiler + TBMK: in general use, L-1 = Lynch -1 = 1 more vote to Lynch. We are currently at L-2. So if you are "not confident in voting him at the moment.".... what do ? I'd actually not talk about my (potential)scum read just yet. I want a certain interaction to be happening first. Most probebly, that will occour later today.
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Btw risk, your main argument against Hopeless at this point is that he entered the thread and was posting but didn't actually say anything of value, i.e. actively lurking. While I do agree this point, I feel that this was exactly how Sylencia entetered the thread. Yet you only mention Hopeless, why is that? I do know that Sylencia have since then been posting one big post but earlier you posted this: On April 02 2013 11:07 risk.nuke wrote:
Viscera. Tunneling isn't about time, it's about not having an open mind. You lashed out at me instantly and agressively for the smallest thing so clearly you're looking at me as if I am scum and are trying to find things things that are scummy about me to confirm that belief. Aka tunneling.
You want REAL scummy shit. Everyone that's not posting are scummier then those who are posting.
For 2, I personally think Hopeless1der look very uninterested in finding scum. mentioning Hopeless but never Sylencia and that is well before Sylencias big post.
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Axle: I post at 9-10am because that's when I arrive at work, and I have a bit of time to check. I only post then on after 7ish because that's when I get home.
As for Kenpachi rule, probably should've googled it but dinner called
On April 02 2013 20:21 risk.nuke wrote:
Glad you're capable of discussing anything at all without me.
Cheesecakes early vote on me was a pressure-vote. It was completely fine, What's weird and not fine is he doesn't follow it up or does anything when the person he pressure-voted gains additional votes.
People are asking me about the Kenpachi rule, I actually thought more people knew about it. Ghor, It was discussed in a post game I played one or two years ago, I don't think there were statistics but I remember people praised it's accuracy (before it got outed) Either way I know the post detailing the kenpachi rule was edited out because I tried to find it once.
I'll talk about Hapa after breakfast.
Pressure votes work better if you're going to be around to take them off, otherwise it could end up being manslaughter in this game :\
Lazer: There's a difference in timing in that I come in before there's the first fight between VE and nuke (well, I guess I was around to catch the very start of it), meanwhile Hopeless comes in afterwards and ignores everything that went on beforehand only to comment on Ghor instead.
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On April 02 2013 22:52 Sylencia wrote:Pressure votes work better if you're going to be around to take them off, otherwise it could end up being manslaughter in this game :\ I don't see why you are still so paranoid about voting around. If two guys just randomly just goes ahead and votes Risk right now, then we just lynch them both and win the game ezpz, right? Policy or not, there are stuff you cannot simply get away without getting in a very bad position.
And I'll gladly trade one mafia for a townie.
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Ghor not like sylencia last two post, he lie about me. Ghor contribute, ghor say what he think, what he like, what he not like, who capitalist are.what risk do wrong and why not hammer too quick.
but sylencia play like capitalist swine, he talk about me wildcard cause ghor sound like foreign, but say i scummy for things not true. but that not only reason.it sound like omgus, bad.
ghor had eye on sylencia early, ghor ask axle about people like sylencia who say privjet and go away.
what make ghor suspicious in late posts is: Sylencia spend more time talking about everyone except main scumread.ghor suspect sylencia try park easy vote on cheesecake. ghor sees no reason to mention everyone else but not try convince others that cc scum.
sylencia also describe lot of things, but not give interpretationi. too much description, not enough opinion. look scummy. only alignment-opinion in big post are cc and ve.
he say risk make strange things, but no say what he think of it. he only say votes on risk too early, and say scum hammer him quickly cause of CC, but if sylencia think CC scum, then why fear his vote will help scum?
sylencia say risk do odd thing, no say if scummy or not, sylencia fear risk getting hammered quickly -> sylencia think risk town. wishwash here, scummy part.
On April 02 2013 18:53 Sylencia wrote:
Axle, you're just casually throwing a vote for me when you know when I post? Alright..
My thoughts so far:
- Ghor: Whether this is serious or not, language barriers are going to end up hurting us pretty bad if we don't get usefulness from him soon. Going back to my previous games, I had a Peruvian in the game who was scum (with me) and nothing he did could be interpreted since we weren't sure if it was ocmpletely understood or if he was just doing his own thing. I personally don't like having such a wildcard in the game. His 2 posts so far have shown he hasn't really provided any thought to what has been said and he's keeping the most trivial things secret.
risk
- risk: As noted by others, there've been a few flaws in what he's said, the primary one being the Kenpachi trap statement, with 0 followup and a backtrack of what was implied. I do feel though that the early votes are... a bit early. The vote I dislike the most being CC's vote which is an example of why I don't enjoy throwing around votes on Instant Majority. It'd be too easy to have scum hammer down with few words said.
- Cheesecake: This filter looks atrocious in my eyes, casting an early vote with little thought, yet providing no substance while he's around. Not sure if trolling around is his meta but seems pretty scum from here.
- Axle: As usual, I'm honestly not sure what is being said that often from you.
- Rebirth: Main thing I don't like is the super early 'precaution' vote on VE, it's almost like baiting him into flaming you back hard so you could nail him for it. Doesn't seem like anythign came from it though but still strikes me as odd as to the reasoning behind it.
Q: Is there actually such a thing as the Kenpachi Rule? RoL says he hasn't heard of it, I haven't been around long enough to hear about it at all, and so this oculd be a major point RoL has made if no one has seen this apparent rule in action.
-VE: So far from what I've read, there are solid arguments and reasoning coming from VE with regards to risk, and as far as I can see so far, he's looking the most townie. This can obviously change with flips etc. but so far, he's the one I've got greatest town read on.
I'm pretty much null on the other 2.. As for my vote, I'm wanting to wait for risk to see what he says but I find CC's vote to be just too casual and without providing anything else after just doesn't seem right to me.
##Vote Mr. Cheesecake risk
On April 02 2013 22:52 Sylencia wrote:Axle: I post at 9-10am because that's when I arrive at work, and I have a bit of time to check. I only post then on after 7ish because that's when I get home. As for Kenpachi rule, probably should've googled it but dinner called Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 20:21 risk.nuke wrote:
Glad you're capable of discussing anything at all without me.
Cheesecakes early vote on me was a pressure-vote. It was completely fine, What's weird and not fine is he doesn't follow it up or does anything when the person he pressure-voted gains additional votes.
People are asking me about the Kenpachi rule, I actually thought more people knew about it. Ghor, It was discussed in a post game I played one or two years ago, I don't think there were statistics but I remember people praised it's accuracy (before it got outed) Either way I know the post detailing the kenpachi rule was edited out because I tried to find it once.
I'll talk about Hapa after breakfast. Pressure votes work better if you're going to be around to take them off, otherwise it could end up being manslaughter in this game :\ Lazer: There's a difference in timing in that I come in before there's the first fight between VE and nuke (well, I guess I was around to catch the very start of it), meanwhile Hopeless comes in afterwards and ignores everything that went on beforehand only to comment on Ghor instead.
this last post ghor also find scummy, only description, no opinion about lazer. look like sylencia feel forced to give pseudo opinion about people he asked about.
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no opinion about hopeless
ghor mean. ghor correct from hopeless to lazer, have it right initially but ghor corrected it like durak.
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On April 02 2013 23:03 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 22:52 Sylencia wrote:Pressure votes work better if you're going to be around to take them off, otherwise it could end up being manslaughter in this game :\ I don't see why you are still so paranoid about voting around. If two guys just randomly just goes ahead and votes Risk right now, then we just lynch them both and win the game ezpz, right? Policy or not, there are stuff you cannot simply get away without getting in a very bad position. And I'll gladly trade one mafia for a townie.
Sure, I might be paranoid about it, but there are some people I wouldn't be surprised to see sheep lynch a townie through convincing. Hell, if the case was good enough it would be hard for me not to consider following along. That isn't the case here but my point is you can't just say "If 2 more people go for the kill here, they must both be scum." since that general kind of statement leads to dumb mislynches down the track when you use when they vote as a case.
Ghor, since it's looking more trollish by the second, you could probably drop the third person at least or I'm not really going to be able to read your posts seriously enough. I don't even follow what you mean regarding what I said about risk + CC. As for why I haven't said if I thought risk's actions were scummy or not, that's because it's not exactly clear which way it goes. On one hand, you can say it's scummy because he says it was just looking for reactions but it looks more like no one followed what he was alluding to so he gave it up, but on the other hand it's hard to say he'd give it up so quickly and deny it as soon as he is questioned about it if he was scum because it's a lot more legit if you follow through with the case. Instead, he retracted it and it left him looking weak but that doesn't mean he's town. Happy?
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That not only point about risk, ghor mention other points earlier:
ghor like comrade CC's vote on risk.atomi. risk unlurk, risk scare, now post more, only after vote.now talking about policy kenpachi trap while saying he not do policy things.
risk.nuke Sweden. April 02 2013 09:18.:
That's why I say ney on policy lynching. It's ment to work as a threat to keep lazy/bad townies from doing rash stupid stuff that makes them look scummy and with that allow mafia to do what they want without sticking out. But that's no differen't from normal. In the end it all comes down to the townies to play intelligently and try not to do scummy stuff out of nowhere.
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risk.nuke Sweden. April 02 2013 09:19:
Think RoL just set of the old kenpachi trap.
risk say no policy in first post, but risk talk about stupid policy in next post.
risk say he no lynch RoL for kenpachi rule BEFORE defend himself, but say kenpachi rule legit and accurate when defend himself.
ghor want sylencia to say if he think risk town or scum, not flipflop pinball, evidence there, comment on it.
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Kenpachi trap is now a policy rather than a general statement over what might've happened?
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risk say kenpachi rule accurate and useful, that not general statement, that say "lynch someone if he do x=accurate". sylencia avoiding committment on risk. no inquiry of his own.no pushing cc. no quoting cc, not try convince ghor that cc scum, but try avoid risk issue.
ghor think sylencia scum.
##Vote: Sylencia
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On April 02 2013 23:41 Ghor wrote:risk.nuke Sweden. April 02 2013 09:19:risk say no policy in first post, but risk talk about stupid policy in next post. risk say he no lynch RoL for kenpachi rule BEFORE defend himself, but say kenpachi rule legit and accurate when defend himself. ghor want sylencia to say if he think risk town or scum, not flipflop pinball, evidence there, comment on it.
In addition, how is his statement about accuracy there that relevant to what happened before it? Are you suggesting that he said it to set up a bus on his buddy, then you're saying that he did that to say RoL is scum, then retract it? I don't even understand what you're getting at here.
And at this point, no, he's played enough games where I don't see him making himself look suspicious 3 hours into the game. The case on him has its merits however I would rather first see more from the two I've heard least from today (Hopeless and CC) - moreso Hopeless because there's ever so slightly more from CC.
Ghor - now that I've said it what are your thoughts on risk then? Would you say he is scum or not? Would you end up backing a vote on him if the time came for it?
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ghor, do you think risk is scum?
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On April 02 2013 22:32 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 22:27 AxleGreaser wrote:On April 02 2013 22:15 Lazermonkey wrote:
Howdy folks!
@Axle: I take L-1 as one vote from lynch, am I correct?
Regarding risk: I'm not confident in voting him at the moment. While I agree that the "kenpachi-incident" makes him look kinda bad, he defended himself in a way I'm not sure scum would. I'd say that this could just as well be a strange town play rather than scum and it really comes down to WIFOM to figure out which one it is. + Show Spoiler + TBMK: in general use, L-1 = Lynch -1 = 1 more vote to Lynch. We are currently at L-2. So if you are "not confident in voting him at the moment.".... what do ? I'd actually not talk about my (potential)scum read just yet. I want a certain interaction to be happening first. Most probebly, that will occour later today.
Lazer, I don't suppose you could let us know who you're waiting for?
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On April 03 2013 00:02 Ghor wrote:
risk say kenpachi rule accurate and useful, that not general statement, that say "lynch someone if he do x=accurate". sylencia avoiding committment on risk. no inquiry of his own.no pushing cc. no quoting cc, not try convince ghor that cc scum, but try avoid risk issue.
ghor think sylencia scum.
##Vote: Sylencia
What is there to quote? He's literally written 6 posts, containing 3 one liners, two posts containing very generic statements about how town should act and a vote out of nowhere. Risk acknowledges it being a pressure vote on him, and yet he disappears for the next 18 hours but I can't hold that against him too much since people disappear all the time and it's not their fault.
However, if I come along and vote for him for similar reasons "saying hello, general statement, goodbye" I'm suddenly scum? Interesting.
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Ghor not understand why people ask questions about risk, people not read properly ghor posts?read thread then come back with good question please.
only update is ghor not think RoL that scummy any more, but not like initial play. now better.
risk talk about fluff after he say he not like doing content of his fluff (policy).
his defense, bad, he contradict.
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On April 03 2013 00:18 Ghor wrote:
Ghor not understand why people ask questions about risk, people not read properly ghor posts?read thread then come back with good question please.
only update is ghor not think RoL that scummy any more, but not like initial play. now better.
risk talk about fluff after he say he not like doing content of his fluff (policy).
his defense, bad, he contradict.
##Vote: Ghor
Do you think risk.nuke is scum?
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On April 03 2013 00:18 Ghor wrote:
Ghor not understand why people ask questions about risk, people not read properly ghor posts?read thread then come back with good question please.
only update is ghor not think RoL that scummy any more, but not like initial play. now better.
risk talk about fluff after he say he not like doing content of his fluff (policy).
his defense, bad, he contradict.
So you seem convinced he's scum yet you don't take any action? Instead you choose to target myself in hopes that others will complete the vote for you?
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Ghor will teach hopeless how to read
On April 02 2013 11:13 Ghor wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
##unvote: VE
##Vote: Risk.nuke
It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you? Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument? Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote:
VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant. If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule? No I don't. Doesn't seem all that legit to me.
Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal. Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town. ghor think contradiction also very strong point .but ghor want long day. risk ok, risk on chopping block but no axe soon, axe later. wait for other information, milk day, find other scum. but that no scumslip, that was cc voting risk and risk saying he town and vote bad, you read thread pls hopeless.no offense. For low probability that risk do stupid mistake as town, 3 vote on risk mean scum can kill risk together. if risk town he can play harder than everyone else now and know if he does not, he dead. but need other opinion from not posting people first. no go quick with axe. Ploha.
ghor say risk scum early, ghor look for scum elsewhere, no like quick hammer.
hopeless useless. he not able to read.
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so...you want to polarize the lynch between your initial scumread and somone who you say "won't comment" on your initial scumread. Why not just push to get risk lynched?
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Jesus you guys are active while I'm asleep.
##Unvote
I don't think we should lynch Risk today. How I got +2 to my pressure vote is beyond me.
In regards to Sylencia's vote, cool -- Good to see you're paying attention. Nothing was happening so I slapped down a vote on Risk. 20 minutes passed and nothing from him so I went to bed. Now we have shit to work with.
What alarmed me the most was RoL's vote. He explains it here.
On April 02 2013 16:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
No, I explained with my vote why I had been doing it. I expanded on my reasoning in my last post. The last post showed risk.nuke continuing to do what I originally outlined. Like I said, it was like he was looking for someone to pick up the slack of the kenpachi tell.
This seems a far cry to think someone is scum. Oh, it looked like he was waiting for someone to sheep the Kenpachi tell... really? I'm not a fan "it looked like he was doing something potentially scummy" instead of "yeah, this is scummy"
I can't clearly read a thing Axle posts, at least Ghor I understand...
On April 02 2013 22:32 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 22:27 AxleGreaser wrote:On April 02 2013 22:15 Lazermonkey wrote:
Howdy folks!
@Axle: I take L-1 as one vote from lynch, am I correct?
Regarding risk: I'm not confident in voting him at the moment. While I agree that the "kenpachi-incident" makes him look kinda bad, he defended himself in a way I'm not sure scum would. I'd say that this could just as well be a strange town play rather than scum and it really comes down to WIFOM to figure out which one it is. + Show Spoiler + TBMK: in general use, L-1 = Lynch -1 = 1 more vote to Lynch. We are currently at L-2. So if you are "not confident in voting him at the moment.".... what do ? I'd actually not talk about my (potential)scum read just yet. I want a certain interaction to be happening first. Most probebly, that will occour later today.
Lazer I want you to answer this question. Why do you use the parenthetical (potential)? How is somebody your potential scumread... scum have potential scumreads, town just have scumreads or town reads. Were you just waiting for somebody to slip up so you could call them out?
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In any case ##unvote as I'm going to sleep now, but what Ghor is saying is becoming ridiculously stupid since he says risk is scum but doesn't want to have him killed. If you don't want your scum read to be killed what the hell do you want?
If I wake up and this stupidity continues I won't hesitate to vote Ghor.
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Ghor asking sylencia questions cause he scummy, vote to show he would want his head off too.
On April 03 2013 00:34 Hopeless1der wrote:
so...you want to polarize the lynch between your initial scumread and somone who you say "won't comment" on your initial scumread. Why not just push to get risk lynched?
ghor's quoted post answers question already. Hopeless very dull.
here, for dummies.ghor pissed at dull hopeless.wastes ghor time, lets sylencia slip away, no interest in find out what sylencia want to do with risk. not able to read properly.
- risk probably scum
- can not be sure in game. no quick hammer. wait for contributions of risk, look for information.
- thinking sylencia scum is not at exclusion of risk scum. sylencia wishwash about risk. he use votes on risk as defense for risk, but say risk do odd things. does not say he think risk town or scum.
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On April 03 2013 00:42 Ghor wrote:Ghor asking sylencia questions cause he scummy, vote to show he would want his head off too. Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 00:34 Hopeless1der wrote:
so...you want to polarize the lynch between your initial scumread and somone who you say "won't comment" on your initial scumread. Why not just push to get risk lynched? ghor's quoted post answers question already. Hopeless very dull. here, for dummies.ghor pissed at dull hopeless.wastes ghor time, lets sylencia slip away, no interest in find out what sylencia want to do with risk. not able to read properly. - risk probably scum
- can not be sure in game. no quick hammer. wait for contributions of risk, look for information.
- thinking sylencia scum is not at exclusion of risk scum. sylencia wishwash about risk. he use votes on risk as defense for risk, but say risk do odd things. does not say he think risk town or scum.
So you think Risk and Syl have the highest chances of being scum, possibly together?
Isn't this based upon the assumption that Syl was deflecting attention away from his scumbuddy?
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Ghor will take it this way: sylencia think risk town cause he not like evidence.
Cheesecake back, sylencia goes away when scumread is back?
@ CC
Sylencia made huge post with many read. Say risk do odd thing, but it look like he think vote on risk make him bad candidate, and scum can hammer him quick.
ghor say, if sylencia fears scum hammering risk and says the votes are bad, then he must think risk town. but he not want to say so. he also not comment on evidence.
he only say risk would not catch attention as scum, which very weak argument. here:
And at this point, no, he's played enough games where I don't see him making himself look suspicious 3 hours into the game.
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@Axle
You're quite all over the place. Give me something to work with here. Who should we lynch today, based on current posts? Make a stance, because I can't seem to understand what exactly it is you're thinking.
You ask a metric fuckton of questions, but they don't seem to be furthing your reads at all.
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Hopeless...
On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
##unvote: VE
##Vote: Risk.nuke
It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you? Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument? Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote:
VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant. If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule? No I don't. Doesn't seem all that legit to me.
Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal. Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town.
At this point in time risk had 3 votes on him. You kinda threw some shit at him and called him scummy. What was your intention with this post?
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Hi guys I'm reading. I have a feeling I'm not gonna like something I read, anyone wanna tell me what it is to lessen the impact reading it has?
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On April 03 2013 01:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi guys I'm reading. I have a feeling I'm not gonna like something I read, anyone wanna tell me what it is to lessen the impact reading it has?
Posts that have "Ghor" at the top of them.
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Psh try again Cheese Ghor a badass.
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On April 03 2013 01:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Psh try again Cheese Ghor a badass.
But I thought I was your designated badass?
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On April 03 2013 00:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Jesus you guys are active while I'm asleep.
##Unvote
I don't think we should lynch Risk today. How I got +2 to my pressure vote is beyond me.
-znipplez-
Found it. Cheese you unvoted and said "Gee golly guys I never really wanted to lynch risk and I'm confused by the extra votes that aren't mine" when reading could have told you everything you needed to know about the extra votes. You don't comment on any of the content against risk, simply discredit the wagon by saying the other votes were merely "+2" to your vote...which is very obviously not the case. And so I ask.
Why do you not want to lynch risk today specifically?
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On April 03 2013 01:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 01:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Psh try again Cheese Ghor a badass. But I thought I was your designated badass?
No you're just a sexy beast.
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On April 03 2013 01:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hopeless... Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
##unvote: VE
##Vote: Risk.nuke
It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you? Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument? On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote:
VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant. If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule? No I don't. Doesn't seem all that legit to me.
On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal. Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town. At this point in time risk had 3 votes on him. You kinda threw some shit at him and called him scummy. What was your intention with this post?
I think risk is scummy but didn't want the day to end that soon. Also wanted to see if anyone agreed with my assessment of the supposed scumslip.
Ghor is annoying as all hell and his intentions behind voting sylencia do not match with his scum read on risk.nuke. He wants sylencia to commit to some type of a read on risk and when he refuses to do so, calls him scum for it. No where does he validate why this is scummy. Combine that with what appears to be a trolling smurf hellbent on behaving like a caveman, and I think he's a good choice for lynch.
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On April 03 2013 01:25 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 00:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Jesus you guys are active while I'm asleep.
##Unvote
I don't think we should lynch Risk today. How I got +2 to my pressure vote is beyond me.
-znipplez- Found it. Cheese you unvoted and said "Gee golly guys I never really wanted to lynch risk and I'm confused by the extra votes that aren't mine" when reading could have told you everything you needed to know about the extra votes. You don't comment on any of the content against risk, simply discredit the wagon by saying the other votes were merely "+2" to your vote...which is very obviously not the case. And so I ask. Why do you not want to lynch risk today specifically?
Ughhhhhh making me type things. The vote on Risk was basically to make him post after he said hi. Worked, cool story. The only evidence against Risk is that he was 'looking like he wanted a kenpachi rule wagon'. Other than that, he's a bit floppy poppy on some things but not that candidate I was to lynch right meow.
I'm more concerned with Lazerman, hopeless, and RoL right now.
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On April 03 2013 01:32 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 01:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hopeless... On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
##unvote: VE
##Vote: Risk.nuke
It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you? Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument? On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote:
VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant. If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule? No I don't. Doesn't seem all that legit to me.
On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal. Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town. At this point in time risk had 3 votes on him. You kinda threw some shit at him and called him scummy. What was your intention with this post? I think risk is scummy but didn't want the day to end that soon. Also wanted to see if anyone agreed with my assessment of the supposed scumslip. Ghor is annoying as all hell and his intentions behind voting sylencia do not match with his scum read on risk.nuke. He wants sylencia to commit to some type of a read on risk and when he refuses to do so, calls him scum for it. No where does he validate why this is scummy. Combine that with what appears to be a trolling smurf hellbent on behaving like a caveman, and I think he's a good choice for lynch.
It's that type of post I hate, Hopeless. I call it a Clarity. Clarity_nl did that in a game as scum, it was like he was bolstering a case without actually committing. I think that's what you were doing, prodding people to vote with no committal. And look, you can back out of it easy :D
How do the intentions behind voting sylencia not match with a scumread on risk.nuke? Both of them could be scum, according to him?
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It's interesting that you bring up Hopeless.
risk.nuke's read on Hopeless is actually not bad. Not bad enough for me to
##Unvote: risk.nuke
What I find interesting about Hopeless is how he's cheerleading the risk.nuke lynch while never himself being on the risk.nuke wagon. He excuses it with "Well I just didn't want the day to end early" or whatever, but risk.nuke now only has 2 votes on him out of 5 needed to lynch.
The interesting thing about Hopeless is that while he's cheerleading the risk.nuke lynch, he's voting for Ghor. Why?
On April 03 2013 00:34 Hopeless1der wrote:
so...you want to polarize the lynch between your initial scumread and somone who you say "won't comment" on your initial scumread. Why not just push to get risk lynched?
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On April 03 2013 01:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 01:32 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 01:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hopeless... On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
##unvote: VE
##Vote: Risk.nuke
It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you? Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument? On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote:
VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant. If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule? No I don't. Doesn't seem all that legit to me.
On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal. Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town. At this point in time risk had 3 votes on him. You kinda threw some shit at him and called him scummy. What was your intention with this post? I think risk is scummy but didn't want the day to end that soon. Also wanted to see if anyone agreed with my assessment of the supposed scumslip. Ghor is annoying as all hell and his intentions behind voting sylencia do not match with his scum read on risk.nuke. He wants sylencia to commit to some type of a read on risk and when he refuses to do so, calls him scum for it. No where does he validate why this is scummy. Combine that with what appears to be a trolling smurf hellbent on behaving like a caveman, and I think he's a good choice for lynch. It's that type of post I hate, Hopeless. I call it a Clarity. Clarity_nl did that in a game as scum, it was like he was bolstering a case without actually committing. I think that's what you were doing, prodding people to vote with no committal. And look, you can back out of it easy :D How do the intentions behind voting sylencia not match with a scumread on risk.nuke? Both of them could be scum, according to him?
Yes, but by that logic any two players could be scum. ghor seemingly had a limited read on sylencia and was trying to develop one based on sylencia's response to risk's filter and the surrounding discussion. Sylencia "failed" whatever Ghor's criteria was, but during the whole process, ghor isn't really pushing risk nuke at all, he's needling away at sylencia, someone who maintains that he can see both sides of the coin and is hesitant to commit.
Calling them both scum would involve tying the non-commital stance to a scum motive, something that ghor has neglected. Its a very straightforward thing to say, but he doesn't do it. I don't think he's legitimately trying to push for risk's lynch because I believe ghor and risk.nuke are the scum team. His pushing sylencia as risk`s teammate doesnt make sense because we should just lynch risk in that case, theres enough support for it. Why bother introducing a new candidate?
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Hopeless if you really felt that way your vote would be on risk.nuke. You're accusing Ghor of being risk's "scumbuddy" because he's not voting for risk. What the hell are you doing? Not voting for risk. You say Ghor is attacking Sylencia in lieu of pushing risk.nuke. What are you doing? Attacking Ghor in lieu of pushing risk.nuke. Your play is wholly and completely contradictory and scummy as sin. Do you have anything to say for yourself?
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[QUOTE]On April 03 2013 01:43 Hopeless1der wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 03 2013 01:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 03 2013 01:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 03 2013 01:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hopeless...
[QUOTE]On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
##unvote: VE
##Vote: Risk.nuke
It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you?[/QUOTE]
Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote:
VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant.[/QUOTE]
If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule?[/QUOTE]
No I don't.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't seem all that legit to me.
[QUOTE]On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Worst vote ever.[/QUOTE]
On the contrary, best vote ever.[/QUOTE]
I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal.[/QUOTE]
Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town.[/QUOTE]
At this point in time risk had 3 votes on him. You kinda threw some shit at him and called him scummy. What was your intention with this post?[/QUOTE]
I think risk is scummy but didn't want the day to end that soon. Also wanted to see if anyone agreed with my assessment of the supposed scumslip.
Ghor is annoying as all hell and his intentions behind voting sylencia do not match with his scum read on risk.nuke. He wants sylencia to commit to some type of a read on risk and when he refuses to do so, calls him scum for it. No where does he validate why this is scummy. Combine that with what appears to be a trolling smurf hellbent on behaving like a caveman, and I think he's a good choice for lynch.[/QUOTE]
It's that type of post I hate, Hopeless. I call it a Clarity. Clarity_nl did that in a game as scum, it was like he was bolstering a case without actually committing. I think that's what you were doing, prodding people to vote with no committal. And look, you can back out of it easy :D
How do the intentions behind voting sylencia not match with a scumread on risk.nuke? Both of them could be scum, according to him?[/QUOTE]
Yes, but by that logic any two players could be scum. ghor seemingly had a limited read on sylencia and was trying to develop one based on sylencia's response to risk's filter and the surrounding discussion. Sylencia "failed" whatever Ghor's criteria was, but during the whole process, ghor isn't really pushing risk nuke at all, he's needling away at sylencia, someone who maintains that he can see both sides of the coin and is hesitant to commit.
Calling them both scum would involve tying the non-commital stance to a scum motive, something that ghor has neglected. Its a very straightforward thing to say, but he doesn't do it. I don't think he's legitimately trying to push for risk's lynch because I believe ghor and risk.nuke are the scum team. His pushing sylencia as risk`s teammate doesnt make sense because we should just lynch risk in that case, theres enough support for it. Why bother introducing a new candidate?[/QUOTE]
Okay I see what you mean. But we need to stop the association cases pre-flip. Now.
You're pushing Ghor as risks teammate... why bother introducing another candidate? That's hyporcritical.
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Fuck formating. You get the point.
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On April 03 2013 01:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hopeless if you really felt that way your vote would be on risk.nuke. You're accusing Ghor of being risk's "scumbuddy" because he's not voting for risk. What the hell are you doing? Not voting for risk. You say Ghor is attacking Sylencia in lieu of pushing risk.nuke. What are you doing? Attacking Ghor in lieu of pushing risk.nuke. Your play is wholly and completely contradictory and scummy as sin. Do you have anything to say for yourself?
My vote on ghor was to get him to answer my bloody question about his stance on risk instead of directing me to his filter.
##Unvote: Ghor
##Vote: risk.nuke
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CC, the difference is I've presented them as teammates, not Scum A and Scum B
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On April 03 2013 01:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
-snipples-
Ghor is annoying as all hell and his intentions behind voting sylencia do not match with his scum read on risk.nuke. He wants sylencia to commit to some type of a read on risk and when he refuses to do so, calls him scum for it. No where does he validate why this is scummy. Combine that with what appears to be a trolling smurf hellbent on behaving like a caveman, and I think he's a good choice for lynch.
But see this post tells a different tale. This post tells of a D1 in which Hopeless1der is leading a Ghor lynch with reasoning.
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On April 03 2013 01:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
CC, the difference is I've presented them as teammates, not Scum A and Scum B
I thought the connection between syl and risk was implied in Ghors post. Scum Risk under pressure ---> scum syl deflects said pressure by voting me. Is it not the same thing you are implying about ghor? Scum Risk under pressure ---> Scum ghor deflects said pressure by voting Syl.
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##Vote: Hopeless1der
*brofist risk.nuke*
We cool dawg. For now.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
ghor think hopeless braindead if he thinks ghor teammate with risk. ghor pointed out fallacies with risk early, try get proper opinion on him from sylencia.
All reasoning laid out, hopeless not absorb it.
Hopeless, question:
Ghor saw the scumslip you pointed out that was none.Ghor answered to your assessment, what do you deduce from it?
(Ghor deduces it another example of hopeless amazing reading comprehension)
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On April 03 2013 01:56 Ghor wrote:
ghor think hopeless braindead if he thinks ghor teammate with risk. ghor pointed out fallacies with risk early, try get proper opinion on him from sylencia.
All reasoning laid out, hopeless not absorb it.
Hopeless, question:
Ghor saw the scumslip you pointed out that was none.Ghor answered to your assessment, what do you deduce from it?
(Ghor deduces it another example of hopeless amazing reading comprehension)
it was what initially put me onto you as scum, so thank you for the compliment.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
So hopeless think that if ghor was town with risk as scumread, ghor would accept even hopeless' stupid arguments without critical thinking?
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For what it's worth I'm with Ghor here. Your scumslip was not really a scumslip and added nothing to the conversation about risk.nuke's play.
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okay well you know my reads, so i'm not sure what else I should do, other than shit a confirmation bias-conspiracy theory giant case on the thread.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
On April 03 2013 02:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
okay well you know my reads, so i'm not sure what else I should do, other than shit a confirmation bias-conspiracy theory giant case on the thread.
Hopeless can answer question. Why he think ghor scum for pointing out hopeless wrong argument against nuke?
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On April 03 2013 02:15 Ghor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 02:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
okay well you know my reads, so i'm not sure what else I should do, other than shit a confirmation bias-conspiracy theory giant case on the thread. Hopeless can answer question. Why he think ghor scum for pointing out hopeless wrong argument against nuke?
To sweep it under the rug and prevent people from catching on to it.
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And what do you think of me for also not agreeing with your assessment of the "scumslip" Hopeless? Because I think it's bogus too. Am I scum just trying "to sweep it under the rug"?
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On April 03 2013 01:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 01:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
CC, the difference is I've presented them as teammates, not Scum A and Scum B I thought the connection between syl and risk was implied in Ghors post. Scum Risk under pressure ---> scum syl deflects said pressure by voting me. Is it not the same thing you are implying about ghor? Scum Risk under pressure ---> Scum ghor deflects said pressure by voting Syl.
Hopeless why don't you read. If you've actually read ghors posts you would understand how ridiculous the implication that we're scumbuddies together are.
RoL. This is a nine player game, I wont tolerate anyone slacking of saying they'll lurk and promise to comment on what we post later, it's a playstyle ill-suited for a small game. I want to hear thoughts from you.
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On April 03 2013 02:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
And what do you think of me for also not agreeing with your assessment of the "scumslip" Hopeless? Because I think it's bogus too. Am I scum just trying "to sweep it under the rug"?
Yes, you're scum too VE
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For anyone wondering what the issue is with Hopeless, let me lay it out for you.
This post asserts that he is suspect of Risk, and thinks he could be scum.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
##unvote: VE
##Vote: Risk.nuke
It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you? Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument? Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote:
VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant. If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule? No I don't. Doesn't seem all that legit to me.
Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal. Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town.
These posts ask for Ghor's opinion of Risk.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 03 2013 00:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
ghor, do you think risk is scum? On April 03 2013 00:25 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 00:18 Ghor wrote:
Ghor not understand why people ask questions about risk, people not read properly ghor posts?read thread then come back with good question please.
only update is ghor not think RoL that scummy any more, but not like initial play. now better.
risk talk about fluff after he say he not like doing content of his fluff (policy).
his defense, bad, he contradict. ##Vote: GhorDo you think risk.nuke is scum?
Here's where it gets interesting:
-snip-
Ghor is annoying as all hell and his intentions behind voting sylencia do not match with his scum read on risk.nuke. He wants sylencia to commit to some type of a read on risk and when he refuses to do so, calls him scum for it. No where does he validate why this is scummy. Combine that with what appears to be a trolling smurf hellbent on behaving like a caveman, and I think he's a good choice for lynch.
Nowhere in this post does Hopeless assert that Risk is scum, he just pushes Ghor for the lynch. He doesn't meditate on scumteams, or why Ghor was doing what he was doing as scum with risk.
Yes, but by that logic any two players could be scum. ghor seemingly had a limited read on sylencia and was trying to develop one based on sylencia's response to risk's filter and the surrounding discussion. Sylencia "failed" whatever Ghor's criteria was, but during the whole process, ghor isn't really pushing risk nuke at all, he's needling away at sylencia, someone who maintains that he can see both sides of the coin and is hesitant to commit.
Calling them both scum would involve tying the non-commital stance to a scum motive, something that ghor has neglected. Its a very straightforward thing to say, but he doesn't do it. I don't think he's legitimately trying to push for risk's lynch because I believe ghor and risk.nuke are the scum team. His pushing sylencia as risk`s teammate doesnt make sense because we should just lynch risk in that case, theres enough support for it. Why bother introducing a new candidate?
Now, Hopeless believes that calling Syl/risk both the scumteam would be the town thing to do by ghor, but instead he tiptoes, and that's why Ghor and risk are the scumteam. However, in the second bolded, he asserts that Ghor and Risk are the scumteam... Why didn't Hopeless tell us this prior?. Pushing Ghor as risks teammate makes no sense, and he never came right out and said it (which would have been the townie thing to do, according to him). Hopelesses logic is full of holes because he is saying Ghor is scum for the exact same thing he is doing.
Breaking it down:
> Ghor calls out Syl for deflecting pressure off Risk.
>Hopeless calls out Ghor for believing they (both syl+risk) are both the scumteam and not just voting Risk instead of bringing up a new candidate.
>Hopeless pushes Ghor for this.
>Hopeless then asserts that Ghor and Risk are the scumteam.
^ Logic is so messy. If Hopeless believed Risk was scum -> why not just lynch him, do what you advocated and not switch targets? Instead, he decides to fling shit at Risk but not vote him, and then vote Ghor when he thinks Ghor / Risk scumteam.
I'm still confused by it.
He pulls this out of his ass under pressure.
I want to hear from Risk first. He's a pivotal person in this entire business.
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You heard it here first people...risk.nuke/Ghor/VE scumteam in 9 player game.
God can you imagine how fucked you guys would be? LYLO D2 LMAO
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On April 03 2013 02:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
You heard it here first people...risk.nuke/Ghor/VE scumteam in 9 player game.
God can you imagine how fucked you guys would be? LYLO D2 LMAO
/sarcasm?
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Russian Federation140 Posts
Ghor would like risk to specify what he think back then:
April 02 2013 09:50
No I don't.
No want lynch RoL for kenpachi rule.RoL votes for risk cause he not follow his own argument.
April 02 2013 10:44.
Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument?
Risk say argument legit, but not explain why not follow it.
April 02 2013 10:59
If I was scum I could just have claimed I believe strongly in the Kenpachi rule and talked about it's high accuracy and incriminated RoL for it. I would legitly look as if I were scumhunting and doing stuff at the same time as I would be pushing my mafia agenda.
Instead I told the truth of what I believed in which made me look worse. Why did I do that, because I am mafia and retarded or because I am town and interested in finding scum, not just looking like I'm trying to find scum.
Summary:
Risk believe in kenpachi rule. Does not want lynch RoL for it.
Say he would be scum for following it when he actually should since he say argument stronk, he use his mistake as WIFOM argument that he not scum, cause if scum he attack RoL.
But if he town why believe argument stronk and not follow?
Ghor think risk scare of attacking RoL back then, but scare to say his kenpachi argument bad.ghor not understand from town perspective.
explain to ghor what risk thinks please, ghor not see enough reason to let off from risk. scuuummy play does not go away.
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A three man scumteam is laughable in a 9 player game Hopeless, yes /sarcasm.
/facepalm
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On April 03 2013 02:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
A three man scumteam is laughable in a 9 player game Hopeless, yes /sarcasm.
/facepalm
I thought this game was 3 scum, KP = # of scum rounded up.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
Ghor did not call out syl for deflecting pressure. Ghor called out syl for many reason, starting with big post. Only two line about scumread, many line about other read. No strong opinion on risk. Go read.
Then syl go away when scumread back. Syl not want argue about risk's early actions, hopeless interfere, he say me scum for trying look for scum outside of risk.
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6v3 - Mislynch
5v3 - NK
4v3 <-LYLO
In order to avoid LYLO on DAY TWO we'd have to lynch scum on D1. That makes game incredibly unbalanced. We're looking for 2 people not 3.
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On April 03 2013 02:31 Ghor wrote:
Ghor did not call out syl for deflecting pressure. Ghor called out syl for many reason, starting with big post. Only two line about scumread, many line about other read. No strong opinion on risk. Go read.
Then syl go away when scumread back. Syl not want argue about risk's early actions, hopeless interfere, he say me scum for trying look for scum outside of risk.
On April 02 2013 23:11 Ghor wrote:
Sylencia spend more time talking about everyone except main scumread.
????????????????????
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On April 03 2013 02:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
6v3 - Mislynch
5v3 - NK
4v3 <-LYLO
In order to avoid LYLO on DAY TWO we'd have to lynch scum on D1. That makes game incredibly unbalanced. We're looking for 2 people not 3.
You know I'm kidding right...
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No I didn't. You didn't use the [/humor] tags. l2BB bro.
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Ghor please explain that shit because that would be the definition of deflecting pressure. Syl didn't talk much about scumreads (risk) but instead talked about other people.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
Ghor meant he did not only mention that, case much bigger than that. In your post you say that lynch deflection only reason for ghor calling sylencia out.
But ghor not see as deflect lynch, but see it as diluition (maybe that also deflect, but all semantics).
Ghor see as lack of motivation to push scumreads, and give many null and useless reads, coupled with bad reason to defend risk. Sylencia lack of push, lack of gaining more information, lack of talking about risk with ghor. rest all in filter.
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Perfect count
Risk.Nuke ( 2 ): Mr. Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, RebirthOfLeGenD, Hopeless1der
VisceraEyes ( 0 ): RebirthOfLeGenD
Sylencia ( 1 ): AxleGreaser, Ghor
Mr. CheeseCake ( 0 ): Sylencia
Ghor ( 0 ): Hopeless1der
Hopeless1der ( 1 ): VisceraEyes
Not Voting ( 5 ): AxleGreaser, Risk.Nuke, LazerMonkey, Mr. Cheesecake, Sylencia
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. This is instant majority lynch. If you see a mistake please notify us.
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On April 03 2013 02:29 Ghor wrote:Ghor would like risk to specify what he think back then: April 02 2013 09:50 No want lynch RoL for kenpachi rule.RoL votes for risk cause he not follow his own argument. April 02 2013 10:44. Risk say argument legit, but not explain why not follow it. April 02 2013 10:59 Show nested quote +If I was scum I could just have claimed I believe strongly in the Kenpachi rule and talked about it's high accuracy and incriminated RoL for it. I would legitly look as if I were scumhunting and doing stuff at the same time as I would be pushing my mafia agenda.
Instead I told the truth of what I believed in which made me look worse. Why did I do that, because I am mafia and retarded or because I am town and interested in finding scum, not just looking like I'm trying to find scum. Summary: Risk believe in kenpachi rule. Does not want lynch RoL for it. Say he would be scum for following it when he actually should since he say argument stronk, he use his mistake as WIFOM argument that he not scum, cause if scum he attack RoL. But if he town why believe argument stronk and not follow? Ghor think risk scare of attacking RoL back then, but scare to say his kenpachi argument bad.ghor not understand from town perspective. explain to ghor what risk thinks please, ghor not see enough reason to let off from risk. scuuummy play does not go away.
I didn't say I believed in the Kenpachi Rule. Viscera asked me if I thought RoL was scum from the Kenpachi Rule. I said no. I don't use methods like the Kenpachi Method or Meta to catch scum. Yet they work but I don't trust them, It's hard to explain.
As mafia I could had said I thought the argument was strong and if it ended up in you not being convinced it was the only thing you could judge me for is having a different opinion then you about the Kenpachi Rule.
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On April 03 2013 01:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Axle
You're quite all over the place. Give me something to work with here. Who should we lynch today, based on current posts? Make a stance, because I can't seem to understand what exactly it is you're thinking.
You ask a metric fuckton of questions, but they don't seem to be furthing your reads at all.
Sorry about being all over the place. I wanted data, not a 1 early wagon and a basically silent day.
From my point of view it(the risk incident) is a little odd and I get conflicting reads.
There was either lot of bad play or there is scum in there some where.
I have made some progress in clarifying those conflicts.
I also had the problem that i thought the 3 votes by such influential players would let scum if they
were still out there sit around comfortably, as the remaining townies would also just drop into lurk mode
thinking the lynch was set.
Also even if risk was scum then the remaining scum player would likewise go to ground.
All possibilities were from viewpoint less than ideal.
So I wanted to shake stuff up, hence voting Syl, who I legitimately voted because I thought of the lurkers
Syl would be the next lurker to get home from work. I have also read a bit of Syls meta over time and I was
also worried Syl might just stay silent and leave us one more unreadable. Sylencia can be true to name and very silent.
I also tried to be encouraging about Syls post hoping to get more, ....
I also had problems with the wagon itself,
One description of the wagon, the description that makes risk.nuke scum is....
is that you directly pressured risk.nuke he coped alright,
but then he felt pressured to be productive, and he completely flubbed his push on RoL
by pushing when he couldn't say
" yes I(risk) have a scumread on RoL (std disclaimer: not strong one because its early) "
In contrast when you pushed Risk you did have some reason.
Risk pushed then said pretty much said 'no just kidding'.
There were various other problems/inconsistencies with his explanations.
What really tricks/confuses me out is RoL had pretty much just suggested lynching VE for being bad not scum.
"I don't feel like this game getting out of hand spammy and I also hate when one person triggers the "I'm town" bullshit."
Why (as either alignment) did risk invoke Kenpachi at all why didn't he just call RoL scum?
one explanation that may fit best is; when pressured scum get flustered.
My previous reading of risk didn't indicate that might happen.
All that happens while still at your 1 vote so its not even like there was a lot of pressure when he chose to say kenpachi.
in terms of logic, the explanations from risk that come later also don't bear the consistency marks of truth, they resemble scrambling.
However i also really don't like VEs reasoning here, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18177638
I also don't like that RoL, chose to go from 2 votes to 3 so soon. That looks expedient, I would have thought RoL would be aware of the value of milking the wagon for whatever association tells we could get out of it.
I don't know why but I just cant shake the feel read that risk.nuke responses were town motivated,
and that all the illogicality of it is just bad play.
Now that the wagon has backed of a bit, and thus other people are posting and considering options again,
I think I might get some more sleep, its 5am.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
On April 03 2013 02:54 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 02:29 Ghor wrote:Ghor would like risk to specify what he think back then: April 02 2013 09:50 No I don't. No want lynch RoL for kenpachi rule.RoL votes for risk cause he not follow his own argument. April 02 2013 10:44. Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument?
Risk say argument legit, but not explain why not follow it. April 02 2013 10:59 If I was scum I could just have claimed I believe strongly in the Kenpachi rule and talked about it's high accuracy and incriminated RoL for it. I would legitly look as if I were scumhunting and doing stuff at the same time as I would be pushing my mafia agenda.
Instead I told the truth of what I believed in which made me look worse. Why did I do that, because I am mafia and retarded or because I am town and interested in finding scum, not just looking like I'm trying to find scum. Summary: Risk believe in kenpachi rule. Does not want lynch RoL for it. Say he would be scum for following it when he actually should since he say argument stronk, he use his mistake as WIFOM argument that he not scum, cause if scum he attack RoL. But if he town why believe argument stronk and not follow? Ghor think risk scare of attacking RoL back then, but scare to say his kenpachi argument bad.ghor not understand from town perspective. explain to ghor what risk thinks please, ghor not see enough reason to let off from risk. scuuummy play does not go away. I didn't say I believed in the Kenpachi Rule. Viscera asked me if I thought RoL was scum from the Kenpachi Rule. I said no. I don't use methods like the Kenpachi Method or Meta to catch scum. Yet they work but I don't trust them, It's hard to explain. As mafia I could had said I thought the argument was strong and if it ended up in you not being convinced it was the only thing you could judge me for is having a different opinion then you about the Kenpachi Rule.
Ghor not like "as mafia I". It same argument like sylencia's "risk not scum cause he draw attention".
It be argument "scum not make mistake", weak argument.
Ghor not fully convinced yet, but ghor want see why risk tell his scumread hopeless that it is stupid to think i am scum with risk. ghor would expect town risk to make case against hopeless and push for lynch now that he under fire, not tell him not to do stupid things and stop convincing people.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
To make good question: Ghor would like risk to tell him about sylencia and hopeless.
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I'm feeling confident hopeless is scum, I haven't gone over Sylencia yet.
I don't have time now but I'll get back to you on him later.
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Sylencia
So the reason I didn't want to out my scum read earlier was twofold
1. I wanted a little more basis for my accusations. His entrance into the game was scummy but could just have been a result of him beeing busy rather than scum.
2. I didn't have enough time to write a decent case.
Sylencias first 2 posts said absolutely nothing of anything. He then posts a seemingly long post but all it really contains 2 reads, the rest was stuff like calling risk wierd but no conclusion about his alignment. In this post he calls CC scum, VE town, and then proceeds to vote CC. Now it gets interesting! What does he do with this scum read? Jack shit!
Instead he goes into this drawn out argument with Ghor about Ghor's case on him. Why do this? Why is he not chasing his scum read instead of defending himself against 1 single vote which isn't threatening at all. Why doesn't he try to convince us that CC is scum?
Why does he go fromOn April 02 2013 18:53 Sylencia wrote:- Cheesecake: This filter looks atrocious in my eyes, casting an early vote with little thought, yet providing no substance while he's around. Not sure if trolling around is his meta but seems pretty scum from here. ToOn April 03 2013 00:10 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 23:41 Ghor wrote:risk.nuke Sweden. April 02 2013 09:19:Think RoL just set of the old kenpachi trap. risk say no policy in first post, but risk talk about stupid policy in next post. risk say he no lynch RoL for kenpachi rule BEFORE defend himself, but say kenpachi rule legit and accurate when defend himself. ghor want sylencia to say if he think risk town or scum, not flipflop pinball, evidence there, comment on it. In addition, how is his statement about accuracy there that relevant to what happened before it? Are you suggesting that he said it to set up a bus on his buddy, then you're saying that he did that to say RoL is scum, then retract it? I don't even understand what you're getting at here. And at this point, no, he's played enough games where I don't see him making himself look suspicious 3 hours into the game. The case on him has its merits however I would rather first see more from the two I've heard least from today (Hopeless and CC) - moreso Hopeless because there's ever so slightly more from CC.Ghor - now that I've said it what are your thoughts on risk then? Would you say he is scum or not? Would you end up backing a vote on him if the time came for it? WITHOUT CC even posting in between??? And then goesOn April 03 2013 00:42 Sylencia wrote:
In any case ##unvote as I'm going to sleep now, but what Ghor is saying is becoming ridiculously stupid since he says risk is scum but doesn't want to have him killed. If you don't want your scum read to be killed what the hell do you want?
If I wake up and this stupidity continues I won't hesitate to vote Ghor. Still without CC saying jack shit? Well I'll tell you folks, because he is scum!
##Vote: Sylencia
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I won't lynch Sylencia today. I DO want to know who Sylencia wants to lynch.
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On April 03 2013 04:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
I won't lynch Sylencia today. I DO want to know who Sylencia wants to lynch. Eeeerhm... Mind telling why you don't find the case convincing?
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It's not a case, it's an observation that can be summed up as "Sylencia's read of CC has changed from lynchable to unvoting with CC not saying anything in between". I can see a town Sylencia becoming less and less sure of his read without help from CC, that's not scum indicative and it's your only point.
Why does his read change have to be scum motivated?
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Sylencia, you mention other flaws in my post except the Kenpachi situation. Elaborate.
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Did Cheese go back to sleep? :/
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On April 03 2013 04:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's not a case, it's an observation that can be summed up as "Sylencia's read of CC has changed from lynchable to unvoting with CC not saying anything in between". I can see a town Sylencia becoming less and less sure of his read without help from CC, that's not scum indicative and it's your only point.
Why does his read change have to be scum motivated? ???
Explain why town Sylencia goes from "pretty sure hes scum" to unvote without the guy even says a word? And how he doesn't doesn't pressure his n1 scum read but instead goes on to defend himself against a accusations that weren't even close to killing him. And how he threatens to vote the guy that is stupid in an OMGUS fashion instead of the guy who was "pretty sure he is scum"? Please explain!
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Risk, may I hear your thoughts on Sylencia? Or anyone else?
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EBWOP
Risk, may I hear your thoughts on Sylencia? Or anyone elses thoughts on Sylencia?
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So silent... I feel like going to bed . Someone talk to me!!!
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Dead game is dead. Scum aren't going to find themselves guys.
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VE, still not convinced regarding Sylencia?
Also, regarding hopeless, my impressiom after reading his filter is that he is a very silly player, a hypocrite and not reading the thread. I am however not sure how that makes him scum. Mind explaining to me like I was 5 years old?
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here`s my question, considering people accuse me of being a hypocrite. Do you think I`m just trying to be disruptive or that I`m trying to save sylencia? It should be a minimum of one of those, right?
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I feel like he got caught with his pants down trying to tiptoe around a risk.nuke lynch. He was indirectly supporting the risk.nuke wagon without adding his vote. Regardless of risk.nuke's alignment, that's a suspicious action out of Hopeless. If at the time he felt like risk.nuke was scum (which his whole association BS is supposing) then there's no reason for him to be indirectly supporting the wagon while trying to start a counter-wagon on someone else.
Furthermore he lied about it in the thread. Observe.
On April 03 2013 01:32 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 01:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hopeless... On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
##unvote: VE
##Vote: Risk.nuke
It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you? Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument? On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote:
VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant. If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule? No I don't. Doesn't seem all that legit to me.
On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal. Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town. At this point in time risk had 3 votes on him. You kinda threw some shit at him and called him scummy. What was your intention with this post? I think risk is scummy but didn't want the day to end that soon. Also wanted to see if anyone agreed with my assessment of the supposed scumslip. Ghor is annoying as all hell and his intentions behind voting sylencia do not match with his scum read on risk.nuke. He wants sylencia to commit to some type of a read on risk and when he refuses to do so, calls him scum for it. No where does he validate why this is scummy. Combine that with what appears to be a trolling smurf hellbent on behaving like a caveman, and I think he's a good choice for lynch.
On April 03 2013 01:48 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 01:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hopeless if you really felt that way your vote would be on risk.nuke. You're accusing Ghor of being risk's "scumbuddy" because he's not voting for risk. What the hell are you doing? Not voting for risk. You say Ghor is attacking Sylencia in lieu of pushing risk.nuke. What are you doing? Attacking Ghor in lieu of pushing risk.nuke. Your play is wholly and completely contradictory and scummy as sin. Do you have anything to say for yourself? My vote on ghor was to get him to answer my bloody question about his stance on risk instead of directing me to his filter. ##Unvote: Ghor
##Vote: risk.nuke
When confronted about his vote on Ghor he says it was to get him to answer his question, but as you can see from the first post, he clearly says that he feels like Ghor should be considered for lynch today. Inconsistent. Scummy.
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STRONG COUNT
risk.nuke ( 2 ): Mr. Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, RebirthOfLeGenD, Hopeless1der
VisceraEyes ( 0 ): RebirthOfLeGenD
Sylencia ( 2 ): AxleGreaser, Ghor, Lazermonkey
Mr. Cheesecake ( 0 ): Sylencia
Ghor ( 0 ): Hopeless1der
Hopeless1der ( 2 ): VisceraEyes, risk.nuke
Not Voting ( 3 ): AxleGreaser, Mr. Cheesecake, Sylencia
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. This is instant majority lynch. If you see a mistake please notify us.
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Hopeless who even said anything about you saving Sylencia? What are you talking about?
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On April 03 2013 06:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
here`s my question, considering people accuse me of being a hypocrite. Do you think I`m just trying to be disruptive or that I`m trying to save sylencia? It should be a minimum of one of those, right? I don't know. You being a hypocrite is actually not alignment indicative imo. What I do know is that you are calling out Ghor for stuff that you are doing yourself. So stop that.
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On April 03 2013 06:51 VisceraEyes wrote:I feel like he got caught with his pants down trying to tiptoe around a risk.nuke lynch. He was indirectly supporting the risk.nuke wagon without adding his vote. Regardless of risk.nuke's alignment, that's a suspicious action out of Hopeless. If at the time he felt like risk.nuke was scum (which his whole association BS is supposing) then there's no reason for him to be indirectly supporting the wagon while trying to start a counter-wagon on someone else. Furthermore he lied about it in the thread. Observe. Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 01:32 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 01:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hopeless... On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
##unvote: VE
##Vote: Risk.nuke
It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you? Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument? On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote:
VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant. If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule? No I don't. Doesn't seem all that legit to me.
On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal. Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town. At this point in time risk had 3 votes on him. You kinda threw some shit at him and called him scummy. What was your intention with this post? I think risk is scummy but didn't want the day to end that soon. Also wanted to see if anyone agreed with my assessment of the supposed scumslip. Ghor is annoying as all hell and his intentions behind voting sylencia do not match with his scum read on risk.nuke. He wants sylencia to commit to some type of a read on risk and when he refuses to do so, calls him scum for it. No where does he validate why this is scummy. Combine that with what appears to be a trolling smurf hellbent on behaving like a caveman, and I think he's a good choice for lynch. Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 01:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 01:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hopeless if you really felt that way your vote would be on risk.nuke. You're accusing Ghor of being risk's "scumbuddy" because he's not voting for risk. What the hell are you doing? Not voting for risk. You say Ghor is attacking Sylencia in lieu of pushing risk.nuke. What are you doing? Attacking Ghor in lieu of pushing risk.nuke. Your play is wholly and completely contradictory and scummy as sin. Do you have anything to say for yourself? My vote on ghor was to get him to answer my bloody question about his stance on risk instead of directing me to his filter. ##Unvote: Ghor
##Vote: risk.nuke When confronted about his vote on Ghor he says it was to get him to answer his question, but as you can see from the first post, he clearly says that he feels like Ghor should be considered for lynch today. Inconsistent. Scummy.
I believe the scumteam is both ghor and risk.nuke. My vote came down as follows:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 03 2013 00:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
ghor, do you think risk is scum? On April 03 2013 00:18 Ghor wrote:
Ghor not understand why people ask questions about risk, people not read properly ghor posts?read thread then come back with good question please.
only update is ghor not think RoL that scummy any more, but not like initial play. now better.
risk talk about fluff after he say he not like doing content of his fluff (policy).
his defense, bad, he contradict. On April 03 2013 00:25 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Vote: Ghor
Do you think risk.nuke is scum?
My vote was for the explicit purpose to get him to [answer the question, not because I thought he was scum (I thought he was scum but that was not the reason for voting him). Since then I've become more confident in my read.
You didn't catch me tiptoeing around anything. I directly supported a risk.nuke lynch, but neglected to vote in for him at the time. This was to ensure people didn't flip out and say OMG UNVOTE BEFORE HAMMER. Since then, I've developed a scum read on Ghor as well. I'm perfectly willing to swap back and forth between the two of them all day.
##Unvote: risk.nuke
##Vote: Ghor
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On April 03 2013 06:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hopeless who even said anything about you saving Sylencia? What are you talking about?
What do you believe my motive to be? Trying to put myself in your shoes, I'd suspect (Scum-Hopeless) of being disruptive and/or trying to save (Scum-Sylencia).
by the way, inherent in reading two people as scum is everyone else is town.
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Well I have a town read on Ghor and a null read on risk.nuke, so that fact does little to convince me of your towniness. But whatever, make your case on Ghor if you think he should be lynched. Or make a case on risk.nuke. Do something to try and convince anyone of your reads if you're town.
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Ughhh have to post on my lunch break.. :/ reading all the cases.
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RebirthOfLegend
When I wake up tomorrow you better have posted.
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On April 03 2013 06:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
I feel like he got caught with his pants down trying to tiptoe around a risk.nuke lynch. He was indirectly supporting the risk.nuke wagon without adding his vote. Regardless of risk.nuke's alignment, that's a suspicious action out of Hopeless. If at the time he felt like risk.nuke was scum (which his whole association BS is supposing) then there's no reason for him to be indirectly supporting the wagon while trying to start a counter-wagon on someone else. isn't this like exactly what Ghor did? or am I missing something? You don't seem to think that he is scummy.
Your other point is quite good though,I must admit. But Syl looks far worse still.
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EBWOP: And to clarify I don't actually agree with your first point!
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Noted.
I'm rereading right now. I totally missed that Ghor had made a case on Sylencia. I'm gonna go read that part of the day in context and see what I see.
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Ill best leave my comments to where i can quote and read better.
First impressions are that i dont like the syl case atm. Peace out till after work.
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I'm going to bed now! will be seeing you tomorrow...
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risk.nuke why have you disappeared? WHERE HAVE YOU GONE RISK.NUKE?
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I was just about to go to bed, I can't stay up to 6 a.m. every day. My classses start tomorrow. If you wan't to talk to me about something I can give you 30 minutes or so.
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Oh come'on what was it, I need to know now.
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You never said what came of you looking over Sylencia. I'm curious if you ever got around to it and what you found.
Further, I'd like your thoughts on Lazermonkey.
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I still have a pending question to Syl I want answered.
I'm leaning town on Lazer.
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Ok I am kind of awake again but i imagine we have entered the dead zone.
I am not yet clear on what happened in the last 5 hours or so, while I have read it, more than once and
at 16 pages total the thread is not huge by any stretch.
so...
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risk: I honestly don't know why I worded that statement like that when I said there were a few flaws. At that point in tiem all that had been discussed with you was the whole kenpachi thing so saying there was multiple flaws was incorrect. In any case, if you have a question to ask you can do so? (I don't understand why people wait for asking questions)
Lazer: I unvoted because I was going to sleep, I don't leave votes hanging on someone I'm not entirely convinced about in an instant majority game. I already said that's why I didn't like what CC did, so why would I do the exact same thing he did?
In any case, I haven't read what's happened since I left that deeply yet, since I'm at work but I'll do my best in writing whenever I get a break, and naturally once I get home.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
Ghor in conflict, ghor not sure what make of risk. ghor also like hopeless and sylencia as lynch choices.
On April 03 2013 07:01 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 06:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hopeless who even said anything about you saving Sylencia? What are you talking about? What do you believe my motive to be? Trying to put myself in your shoes, I'd suspect (Scum-Hopeless) of being disruptive and/or trying to save (Scum-Sylencia). by the way, inherent in reading two people as scum is everyone else is town.
ghor wonders, why you say you saving scum sylencia (cause you probably want to imply your motive is not being disruptive).
ghor very curious why say scum sylencia. not simply sylencia, or town sylencia.
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Sorry boys, was sleeping then worked for 13 hours and just finished catching up. So today we are going to kill Mr. Cheesecake.
To preface this, I noticed several things about cheesecake I found suspicious. The first was that he seemed to purposely lack reading comprehension at his convenience and the second is that he never really put pressure on anyone but was more willing to call a few people scummy. The third is that I feel is behavior and attitude purposely attempted to disrupt a good town environment. I will approach this in sections
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On April 03 2013 00:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Jesus you guys are active while I'm asleep.
##Unvote
I don't think we should lynch Risk today. How I got +2 to my pressure vote is beyond me.
This is the first thing that tipped me off. To anyone who read the thread it's obvious. CC's pressure vote was mere coincidence and had nothing to do with mine or VE's votes on risknuke. We supplied reasoning in response to a conversation between the three of us. CC voted more or less for fun.
In regards to Sylencia's vote, cool -- Good to see you're paying attention. Nothing was happening so I slapped down a vote on Risk. 20 minutes passed and nothing from him so I went to bed. Now we have shit to work with. What alarmed me the most was RoL's vote. He explains it here. Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 16:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
No, I explained with my vote why I had been doing it. I expanded on my reasoning in my last post. The last post showed risk.nuke continuing to do what I originally outlined. Like I said, it was like he was looking for someone to pick up the slack of the kenpachi tell. This seems a far cry to think someone is scum. Oh, it looked like he was waiting for someone to sheep the Kenpachi tell... really? I'm not a fan "it looked like he was doing something potentially scummy" instead of "yeah, this is scummy"
This is the next part that struck me. My words are being purposely twisted here. I said it that it appeared Risk.Nuke was looking for someone to pick up the slack. I didn't say it looked like he was doing it. There is a giant difference between the two statements. I expressed that I believed that risk was trying to make someone else push a bad lynch over a stupid tell. At no point did I express any sort of doubt, or notion of whim which CC clearly tries to interject here.
I can't clearly read a thing Axle posts, at least Ghor I understand...
On April 02 2013 22:32 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 22:27 AxleGreaser wrote:On April 02 2013 22:15 Lazermonkey wrote:
Howdy folks!
@Axle: I take L-1 as one vote from lynch, am I correct?
Regarding risk: I'm not confident in voting him at the moment. While I agree that the "kenpachi-incident" makes him look kinda bad, he defended himself in a way I'm not sure scum would. I'd say that this could just as well be a strange town play rather than scum and it really comes down to WIFOM to figure out which one it is. + Show Spoiler + TBMK: in general use, L-1 = Lynch -1 = 1 more vote to Lynch. We are currently at L-2. So if you are "not confident in voting him at the moment.".... what do ? I'd actually not talk about my (potential)scum read just yet. I want a certain interaction to be happening first. Most probebly, that will occour later today.
Lazer I want you to answer this question. Why do you use the parenthetical (potential)? How is somebody your potential scumread... scum have potential scumreads, town just have scumreads or town reads. Were you just waiting for somebody to slip up so you could call them out?[/QUOTE]
Lastly the stab at Axle is unnecesary. I made a remark earlier about him and Ghor but since then Axle has made sense and stopped being a clown and I have developed a sense of enjoyment from Ghor's posts. The point just serves to generate hostility towards these players.
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On April 03 2013 01:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hopeless... Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
##unvote: VE
##Vote: Risk.nuke
It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you? Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument? On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote:
VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant. If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule? No I don't. Doesn't seem all that legit to me.
On April 03 2013 01:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Axle
You're quite all over the place. Give me something to work with here. Who should we lynch today, based on current posts? Make a stance, because I can't seem to understand what exactly it is you're thinking.
You ask a metric fuckton of questions, but they don't seem to be furthing your reads at all. On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal. Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town. At this point in time risk had 3 votes on him. You kinda threw some shit at him and called him scummy. What was your intention with this post?
On April 03 2013 01:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 01:32 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 01:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hopeless... On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
##unvote: VE
##Vote: Risk.nuke
It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you? Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument? On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote:
VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant. If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule? No I don't. Doesn't seem all that legit to me.
On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal. Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town. At this point in time risk had 3 votes on him. You kinda threw some shit at him and called him scummy. What was your intention with this post? I think risk is scummy but didn't want the day to end that soon. Also wanted to see if anyone agreed with my assessment of the supposed scumslip. Ghor is annoying as all hell and his intentions behind voting sylencia do not match with his scum read on risk.nuke. He wants sylencia to commit to some type of a read on risk and when he refuses to do so, calls him scum for it. No where does he validate why this is scummy. Combine that with what appears to be a trolling smurf hellbent on behaving like a caveman, and I think he's a good choice for lynch. It's that type of post I hate, Hopeless. I call it a Clarity. Clarity_nl did that in a game as scum, it was like he was bolstering a case without actually committing. I think that's what you were doing, prodding people to vote with no committal. And look, you can back out of it easy :D How do the intentions behind voting sylencia not match with a scumread on risk.nuke? Both of them could be scum, according to him?
On April 03 2013 02:36 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Ghor please explain that shit because that would be the definition of deflecting pressure. Syl didn't talk much about scumreads (risk) but instead talked about other people.
The quoted posts all illustrate where CC varies from taking a semi strong view on a player, to calling another few players suspicious. However in none of these posts did he ever go from trying to make a point and follow through with the pressure. At this point in the game CC has removed his vote and is just idling around without ever actually providing thoughts hes willing to follow through on.
Three
I pointed out earlier how he needlessly attacked Axle, and took a little jab at Ghur and we see it again in this post here:
On April 03 2013 01:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 01:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi guys I'm reading. I have a feeling I'm not gonna like something I read, anyone wanna tell me what it is to lessen the impact reading it has? Posts that have "Ghor" at the top of them.
His posts are not actually that bad apart from the formatting and they are even a bit entertaining. However it is super easy to generate hostility to a player who is not speaking in any easy to interpret manner because less people are likely to actually read the posts that Ghur puts out.
That part that we have to look at here is what purpose it serves. You can say that I was belligerent towards VE early on, but it served a purpose. I aimed to start discussion. Both of his attacks on Ghur/Axle do nothing to stimulate discussion and serve to just disrupt a town environment that was fairly productive.
Conclusion
Mr. Cheesecake does not want to contribute, purposely uses strawman arguments by misinterpreting posts, and while posting criticisms of players he never truly pushes someone, and seems to just be looking for a lynch to get behind. When you couple that behavior with pointless attacks on easy targets it makes him an excellent lynch candidate for Day 1.
unvote: risk.nuke
Vote: Mr. Cheesecake
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Now I'm going to sleep/nap.
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STRONG COUNT
risk.nuke ( 0): Mr. Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, RebirthOfLeGenD, Hopeless1der
VisceraEyes ( 0 ): RebirthOfLeGenD
Sylencia ( 2 ): AxleGreaser, Ghor, Lazermonkey
Mr. Cheesecake ( 1 ): Sylencia, RebirthOfLeGenD
Ghor ( 1 ): Hopeless1der , Hopeless1der
Hopeless1der ( 2 ): VisceraEyes, risk.nuke
Not Voting ( 3 ): AxleGreaser, Mr. Cheesecake, Sylencia
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. This is instant majority lynch. If you see a mistake please notify us.
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RoL case gets four out of five stars from me, the lines were fancy and stuff. Unfortunately it's wrong. If anyone wants me to waste the effort of going over it, don't.
##Vote: Hopeless1der
Via stuff I said before. He scum. This Sylencia business is bad -- Lazermonkey, look me in the eye and tell me Hopeless isn't scummier than Syl -.-
In fact Lazer, why are you completely ignoring a Hopeless lynch all together? It's like you haven't even looked at him. I challenge you, son ---> specifically why shouldn't we lynch Hopeless today?
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Russian Federation140 Posts
Ghor not think Cheesecake scum.
If risk town, Cheesecake could keep vote on risk, agree on cases. Por ush easy lynch.
If risk scum, unlikely Cheesecake early vote scumbuddy in instant majority.maybe crazy play.
That connection based, maybe bad. but not think CC scum based on gut.
Ghor think Sylencia become more scummy, he always delay contribution. Many excuse, no push for direction. No pressure when Cheesecake here. Only justify himself.Ask others if they have question. Sylencia goal survive, not hunt scum.
Ghor think sylencia better lynch than risk or hopeless, cause ghor conflict read between two, maybe they opposite alignment, not think D1 bus. want wait, see how play. Lynch sylencia first.
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I suspect this is going to not sit well with some people, however if you cant actually refute
one of the propositions, it is just cold logic.
If we take the player List, I can cut in two in a way that is interesting to me.
Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, RebirthOfLegend and Risk.nuke. are in one (pool A).
if I leave myself out (as i have read my PM)
that leaves Sylencia, LazerMonkey, Hopeless, and Ghor in (pool B)
So, if both you(the reader) and I had to guess out of pool A & B who scum would nk....
I think we would reach the same conclusion.
(It is also even true if you take yourself out and put me in pool B)
I am a contrarian bastard, all else being equal, anything scum wants I don't.
Sorry guys, unless we have an actual significant reason, and
I don't consider the cases that have been put on risk.nuke and more recently cheescake a
significant reason, then Lynching into the same pool as scum will nk a Townie from seems silly.
If scum want what i consider one of the players with better/longer track records dead,
then scum can god damn kill them themselves.
Basically a significant part of why (if i get a choice) I will choose to lynch out of pool B is what I regard as holes in all the logic I have seen put against members of Pool A. But worse the holes are at times (mainly?) from other members of pool A.
As such I have the expectation I will be posting things about what happened between
Cheescakes pressure vote
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18177222
and
My first post
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18177952
basically the analysis is going to be a little pointless (sorry) as what I wind up with
is meh/whatever, but it is the mehness of that that justifies me lynching into pool B.
Also as once the Lynch goes down there is silent night, and a chance either someone I discuss
(or really unlikely me?) will die, I would like to have my view of those events on the table.
I see them differently, to the participants.
As stated it does not paint any one of them red,
if you are one of
Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, RebirthOfLegend and Risk.nuke.
and you wish to clarify the towny intentions of/behind your actions,
AKA walk us through your thinking, please do.
Finally note one rather useful thing the whole risk.nuke wagon did was it parked all of the pool A players, on or under a wagon, and left space for the lurkers to come out and play.
Hence it was in some sense a good thing, even if risk.nuke was never a lot scummy.
My next and immediate task is to decide if i want to 'vote to Lynch', Hopeless, Sylencia, Lazer or Ghor.
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We're not lynching anyone other then hopeless. RoL you got to be joking if you think that we're going to lynch cheesecake first. While I agree with your posts and I had some thoughts in simmilar direction last night. It's still a weaker case then on hopeless. I don't like how you haven't talked about me since your vote and I would like you to comment further on me and hopeless.
Hopeless is obvious scum and has pretty much given up by now. This is not how he plays as town.
And Ghor's post are not hard to read. If you disregard the fact that he speaks in third person and often don't use capital letters they're actually very simple to read and even efficiently phrased.
Sylencia. Who do you want to kill?
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Russian Federation140 Posts
Ghor think Axle need decide if lynch sylencia or hopeless. ghor not think lazer and himself good candidates.
ve want hopeless, not sylencia.
risk want hopeless. not say anything about sylencia. ghor waiting for risk to say something, but he not.ghor need risk opinion for decide.
ghor also see hopeless attack me when i attack sylencia.and hopeless say he either disruptive or he scum defending scum sylencia. ghor see strange lexical choice, strange explaining of motivation. wait for hopeless to explain.
sylencia only defend himself, no interact with scumread, no push. Only busy.
we at important point da
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Russian Federation140 Posts
ghor actually decide to give risk townread for now.he not lurky, he sound better lately.
ghor kill hopeless, people wait for sylencia to answer.
ghor want hammer. and sickle. da.
##Unvote
##hopeless1der
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On April 03 2013 14:34 Ghor wrote:
ghor actually decide to give risk townread for now.he not lurky, he sound better lately.
ghor kill hopeless, people wait for sylencia to answer.
ghor want hammer. and sickle. da.
##Unvote
#-#hopeless1der
ATTENTION THREAD
hopeless1der is at L-1
If you vote NOW for hopeless the day ends...
do not vote right now.
Do NOT LOL hammer.
I was coming here to vote for Hopeless.... to put him at L-1, but as it would be now the intention to hammer vote....
IMO need slightly better reasons, as I also need to rule out Syl and Lazer.
(RL life means I have to cook tea, and stuff... so I cant be quick)
basically I think people ought start getting their affairs in order....
Hopeless You say that you are town... I think you game is about to end....
What help can you give town?
Some nice you will be sorry when you lynch me thing... ok?
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On April 03 2013 02:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Breaking it down:
> Ghor calls out Syl for deflecting pressure off Risk.
>Hopeless calls out Ghor for believing they (both syl+risk) are both the scumteam and not just voting Risk instead of bringing up a new candidate.
>Hopeless pushes Ghor for this.
>Hopeless then asserts that Ghor and Risk are the scumteam.
^ Logic is so messy. If Hopeless believed Risk was scum -> why not just lynch him, do what you advocated and not switch targets? Instead, he decides to fling shit at Risk but not vote him, and then vote Ghor when he thinks Ghor / Risk scumteam.
This reasoning here though is also why I'm so confused by Ghor's arguments and vote against me. He says I'm deflecting from risk, suggesting I'm trying to take pressure off him (and at the time onto you) and since that in his eyes makes him scum, would imply that he sees my defense of risk makes risk scum too. However, rather than voting for risk we have a vote on a new candidate instead. This doesn't make sense to me, and yet the same thing happens with Hopeless.
On April 03 2013 13:14 Ghor wrote:
Ghor think Sylencia become more scummy, he always delay contribution. Many excuse, no push for direction. No pressure when Cheesecake here. Only justify himself.Ask others if they have question. Sylencia goal survive, not hunt scum.
Delaying contributions? Have you not read what I posted earlier about when I do post and when I don't?
On April 03 2013 03:42 Lazermonkey wrote:SylenciaSo the reason I didn't want to out my scum read earlier was twofold 1. I wanted a little more basis for my accusations. His entrance into the game was scummy but could just have been a result of him beeing busy rather than scum. 2. I didn't have enough time to write a decent case. Sylencias first 2 posts said absolutely nothing of anything. He then posts a seemingly long post but all it really contains 2 reads, the rest was stuff like calling risk wierd but no conclusion about his alignment. In this post he calls CC scum, VE town, and then proceeds to vote CC. Now it gets interesting! What does he do with this scum read? Jack shit! Instead he goes into this drawn out argument with Ghor about Ghor's case on him. Why do this? Why is he not chasing his scum read instead of defending himself against 1 single vote which isn't threatening at all. Why doesn't he try to convince us that CC is scum? Why does he go from Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 18:53 Sylencia wrote:- Cheesecake: This filter looks atrocious in my eyes, casting an early vote with little thought, yet providing no substance while he's around. Not sure if trolling around is his meta but seems pretty scum from here. To Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 00:10 Sylencia wrote:On April 02 2013 23:41 Ghor wrote:risk.nuke Sweden. April 02 2013 09:19:Think RoL just set of the old kenpachi trap. risk say no policy in first post, but risk talk about stupid policy in next post. risk say he no lynch RoL for kenpachi rule BEFORE defend himself, but say kenpachi rule legit and accurate when defend himself. ghor want sylencia to say if he think risk town or scum, not flipflop pinball, evidence there, comment on it. In addition, how is his statement about accuracy there that relevant to what happened before it? Are you suggesting that he said it to set up a bus on his buddy, then you're saying that he did that to say RoL is scum, then retract it? I don't even understand what you're getting at here. And at this point, no, he's played enough games where I don't see him making himself look suspicious 3 hours into the game. The case on him has its merits however I would rather first see more from the two I've heard least from today (Hopeless and CC) - moreso Hopeless because there's ever so slightly more from CC.Ghor - now that I've said it what are your thoughts on risk then? Would you say he is scum or not? Would you end up backing a vote on him if the time came for it? WITHOUT CC even posting in between??? And then goes Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 00:42 Sylencia wrote:
In any case ##unvote as I'm going to sleep now, but what Ghor is saying is becoming ridiculously stupid since he says risk is scum but doesn't want to have him killed. If you don't want your scum read to be killed what the hell do you want?
If I wake up and this stupidity continues I won't hesitate to vote Ghor. Still without CC saying jack shit? Well I'll tell you folks, because he is scum! ##Vote: Sylencia
First 2 posts were going to lead somewhere as I had intended to have a deeper conversation regarding the voting power and whatnot, but then work got busier and I completely lost the train of thought the next time I looked at the thread.
Your case against my vote on CC is also fairly meaningless, during the entire time I had my vote on him, CC wasn't around. The amount I had to go off on him was limited, and so you were saying I should be stretching my imaginations to see what's so scummy about one-liner #2? Why would I not talk to others and get a better idea of where they are at? This leads on into the argument with Ghor, and I defend myself because I'm being accused of being scum. Is that not something you'd do as town? Instead, you let them run all over you while you try to push a weak case on someone else? We're not playing 8v1, even if I had thought that CC was scum that's no reason to stop looking at others.
As for taking off my vote, I think I explained that earlier this afternoon.
Risk: As for who I want to kill, it'd be moreso Ghor than Hopeless, but they both have the same base logic behind them: X accuses Y is scum because of their actions with regards to risk, and thus they both had thoughts of risk+Y being scumteam, yet they both refuse to vote risk for some reason.
Now Ghor has suddenly done a 180 on risk saying he's town based on activity (...) and chooses to jump ship to Hopeless.
So pretty much, I'm willing to hammer Hopeless here, but if it's town I still see this as looking horrible on Ghor. Not that he wasn't looking horrible to me anyways.
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Hopeless is a decent lynch at most. But while that is the case, my last 2 games I played town with town Hopeless. Both games ended up with hopeless misslynched or vigi killed. Hopeless were making several basic errors in those games as well. These games were:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946 (mafia LVIII)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955 (dessert mini)
To be fair, I don't see a clear diference between Hopeless play in those games and this game. This obviously doesn't make Hopless town but I really don't see how you are voting him over Sylencia at this point. And reading the thread doesn't exactly help me...
Axle: I have no idea why you think hopeless is scum.
Risk: You reasons for voting Hopeless is partly meta and partly the fact that he isn't scum hunting. The meta part I disagree with and the scum hunting part is something that Sylencia does far worse at. Also, why do you continously avoid taking a stance on Sylencia despite promising to do so?
CC: You are voting hopeless for poor logic but guess what? That isn't alignment indicative.
VE and Ghor I think have decent reasons to be on him atm.
The reason I didn't say anything about this earlier is because I wanted Hopeless to defend himself rather than me do it for him, but since we are one vote away from killing him atm, my strategy has indeed failed.
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Sylencia: Explain WHY hopeless and Ghors actions make them scum.
Also, how did CC become town,suddenly? -.-
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Also, don't hammer yet...
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A Hopeless Case
What has hopeless1der done this game, and is it consistent with a scummy motivation.
TLDR: Yes. Were done
intention to hammer the lynch on Hopless1der
Suggestions on what time you dont want him hammered before welcome...
Is there anything anyone wants to say before we enter silent night and you perhaps die?
In particular are there any people who might be nk targets that wish to speak before they die?
pool A... That means You
+ Show Spoiler [an actual case] +is there anything that is not consistent with scum Hopeless? Policy talk asks Ghor about language issuesHe makes 1 prod at the risk wagon. (has 1 out 2 valid points) but does not Vote (it is at L-2... ?) so perhaps thats a choice. (yes he hunted risk as scum,(found 1 scummy point) see later post for why risk might well not be...) As town: Personally if it is VEs and RoLs wagon, I also want to see why they are pushing it as at that point in the game I don't at this time know if they are town. So yeah chucking fuel on someone elses wagon, is a bit scummy. So even though he wants long day.. presumably to catch _other_ scum... what is his apparent prime focus... He then asks Ghor about risk.nuke, and votes him to pressure him into replying, but even though he is hunting scum is is supposedly be, like Syl, concerned somewhat about the possibility of hammering when Hopless gets an answer from Ghor the vote, that he is concerned about, stays parked on Ghor... because.... he doesn't care? Having said I think he's a good choice for lynch. at 1.32 admitedly not that long later, but it is only when pushed, he puts his vote on risk... Now personally I have some sympathy for the view of not putting risk at L-1 earlier where one actual accident ends the day. Indeed I think he should not have so rapidly gone from 1 to 3 votes... My problem is the posting and voting seems to be following path of least resistance, like whatever is needed to get people to look elsewhere or just get the lynch to happen. If scum is lucky or good in instant majority lynching they don't need to have any votes on any wagons... especially if the front runner is a mislynch. You can fan it and throw petrol on it but there is no need to actually vote it. When asked why Ghor rejecting Hopelesses dsicovery of a scum slip (by risk) as a scum slip, is a scummy thing for Ghor to do, Hopless claims that is Ghor somehow sweeping it under the rug. I find that little odd... I find that if there is some disagreement like whether or not something is scum slip.. as town that attracts my attention... after all if one of them is making up scum slips out of whole cloth, then I need to think why they'd make that mistake. One reason scum make mistakes like that is they are always reaching for arguments to show things they know not to be true. Town can make overreaching claims too, but I find it tends to be a scummy thing to do. And then it just gets silly.... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18181435when hopeless finds 3rd scum in the game... personally if you find some hole in my reasoning... first I am embarrased, and second since I am playing to win... I want to fix my error. Hopelesses reasoning that doubting his scum slip is scum slip makes the doubter scum leads to the conclusion there are 3 scum. Ergo the logic is faulty. Does hopeless want correct logic? Nope. (BTW I think it not scum slip too I must be scum as well that makes it 4 scum in 9 player game... Oh nos were at Lylo?) Does hopless want to go back and find out what that error means and correct it? See earlier when I stuffed up and asked a couple of stupid pointless questions. I just flat out said oops. I said it so no one would be distracted by the error. Care to Guess why, I care about the thread having truthful information?
While he says
“I think risk is scummy but didn't want the day to end that soon.”
presumably that is so as to hunt other scum...
but basically a summary of Hopeless1der's scum hunting is....
Looking around for someone else who wants to lynch risk...
His new scum read Ghor, was found because he disgreed with one part of a post Hopeless made against risk.
When he discovers multiple people think the slip was not slip and that Ghors point was right...
They're all scum
All up my actual position is I think Hopeless is the most likely person I see to flip scum
Intention to hammer Hopeless1der
Caveat: I will also now consider some meta
+ Show Spoiler [meta] + Some meta.
@LAZER
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18187577
As you played and think the meta is similar
Would you care to outline examples where Hopeless is reactive, like i find him in this game or
examples where he is so interested in what other people are voting.
examples of him commenting (throwing fuel) on wagons ...
or any explanation of what he wanted the day to be long so that he could accomplish?
What was he doing today?
FYI: No I wont be hammering soon or abruptly...
We have a long time to spin our wheels and line up all our ducks.
I have several long posts I want to make that I have not yet written.
I want to put in the thread my best understanding of what happened
when the risk wagon started,
and why I was not all yipee lets lynch that scum.. there were and are issues with that wagon.
Also unless i hear from the people who i think might get nk'd that they are done posting
for the day, that will also make me pause for as long as I safely can.
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I think you are using meta in the wrong way, Axle. No, I haven't actually gone back to the games to find specific posts that match with this game but I don't feel I have to.
You have displayed that you don't think his play this game matches his town meta (first and foremost you only quote 2 posts, but lets ignore that for a sec) however, this is quite irrelevant. What we do want to know is if his meta matches his scum games, not if it doesn't match his town games.
My point is that hopeless have a history misslynches and I think there are better alternatives than him atm.
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just woke up, skimmed what I've missed:
On April 03 2013 18:18 Lazermonkey wrote:
Also, don't hammer yet...
This. Today has a self imposed deadline, take every second of it that you can get. It is way more scum motivated to want to end the day early. I could understand if you're that confident I'm scum but nevertheless, don't hammer me, I want to get something meaningful into the thread.
Is day 1 a plurality lynch or do we still have to reach a majority before the 48 hours is up?
I don't have time to reread who's voting me and why etc right this minute, so give me a couple hours to get back please.
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On April 03 2013 19:22 Lazermonkey wrote:
I think you are using meta in the wrong way, Axle. No, I haven't actually gone back to the games to find specific posts that match with this game but I don't feel I have to.
You have displayed that you don't think his play this game matches his town meta (first and foremost you only quote 2 posts, but lets ignore that for a sec) however, this is quite irrelevant. What we do want to know is if his meta matches his scum games, not if it doesn't match his town games.
My point is that hopeless have a history misslynches and I think there are better alternatives than him atm.
No you are right, it is true you don't have to, but your post directed me at an entire filter.
So I thought i would be polite and at least attempt to see if your point made sense to me.
I do want to be sure we lynch the best most likely candidate.
You failed to find difference between his play here and there, I thought I did.
I also admit I just added that bit in at the end, primarily my read/case was based on his play in just this game.
Also i see better alternatives is plural... do you have better alternatives or a better alternative?
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Thinking of what axle wrote earlier about players most likely to get shot...
I think it's important to mention that we DO have a medic and scum DOESN'T have a RB. Thus scum might aim for a slightly suboptimal shot in order to get a guaranteed kill. Therefore it is of great importance that everyone have given out a couple of reads before we hammer because we cannot speak at night. Everyone (probebly not hopeless tho) may get killed.
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@Axle: that should read better alternative!
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Russian Federation140 Posts
ghor want kill sylencia very much, ghor think he look more scummy with each post.
So pretty much, I'm willing to hammer Hopeless here, but if it's town I still see this as looking horrible on Ghor. Not that he wasn't looking horrible to me anyways.
this look terrible terrible from sylencia. ghor facepalm, this more than just connection read, this connection justification for later bad push against ghor. whole play look terrible. ghor not need make case, sylencia filter is case. but ghor maybe try to make good case later, if town not convinced.
##Unvote
##Vote Sylencia
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On April 03 2013 18:17 Lazermonkey wrote:
Sylencia: Explain WHY hopeless and Ghors actions make them scum.
Also, how did CC become town,suddenly? -.-
Because (more for Ghor) you can't try to call someone out for not voting someone they think is a bit sketchy when they don't do it themselves. Again, for Ghor, he's put a vote on me saying that I was too wishy washy on risk, didn't push anything that hard and yet he said risk was scum, I was defending him but he didn't want to vote for risk. I understand not ending the day early and now I see we seem to all be shying away from voting since we could be silenced at any moment but if he's a scum read you vote for him. Adding on to that is that the vote on me is more on association with said scum suspect (at the time). Why vote for the associated one when you could remove the root of the problem and then branch from there?
The same case then applies to Hopeless who goes for the associated scum rather than the one they are being associated with. Dumb lynch choices for town.
On April 03 2013 20:49 Ghor wrote:ghor want kill sylencia very much, ghor think he look more scummy with each post. Show nested quote +So pretty much, I'm willing to hammer Hopeless here, but if it's town I still see this as looking horrible on Ghor. Not that he wasn't looking horrible to me anyways. this look terrible terrible from sylencia. ghor facepalm, this more than just connection read, this connection justification for later bad push against ghor. whole play look terrible. ghor not need make case, sylencia filter is case. but ghor maybe try to make good case later, if town not convinced.
##Unvote
##Vote Sylencia
Go ahead and make a case, and I'll defend.
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They are indeed hypocrites in that regard but why does that make them scum? Does scum apply bad logic more so than town in your opinion? Because I actually think the opposite ( though it would be terrible to call someone town because of him applying bad logic...).
And wtf happend with your CC read? You still haven't answered yet.
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On April 02 2013 07:11 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 07:06 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hi everyone!
I want to start things off by saying that this is my first time playing an instant majority lynch. While the first 48 hours obviously aren't instant majority, I still think we can start discuss some policy to get things going.
1.If we are about to kill someone, we should at least give the person 24 hours to be able to put up a solid defense.
2.Throw votes around all you want but if you hammer someone, you and everyone else on that wagon better provide good reasoning for that.
Everyone who fails at these stuff should get policy lynched right away imo. For clarification, Day 1 is instant majority. There is just a 48 hour time-limit on the day. So you could lynch someone before that time-limit.
as a reminder as there appears to be some confusion
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On April 03 2013 21:48 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 07:11 Hapahauli wrote:On April 02 2013 07:06 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hi everyone!
I want to start things off by saying that this is my first time playing an instant majority lynch. While the first 48 hours obviously aren't instant majority, I still think we can start discuss some policy to get things going.
1.If we are about to kill someone, we should at least give the person 24 hours to be able to put up a solid defense.
2.Throw votes around all you want but if you hammer someone, you and everyone else on that wagon better provide good reasoning for that.
Everyone who fails at these stuff should get policy lynched right away imo. For clarification, Day 1 is instant majority. There is just a 48 hour time-limit on the day. So you could lynch someone before that time-limit. as a reminder as there appears to be some confusion
I meant what happens if the deadline passes and a majority is not reached? Is that a no-lynch or a plurality lynch?
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Axle, if you're around, do you seriously believe I think there are 3 scum? You devoted a decent section of your case against me to something that literally cannot be true, unless Hapa is bastard modding
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On April 03 2013 21:53 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 21:48 iamperfection wrote:On April 02 2013 07:11 Hapahauli wrote:On April 02 2013 07:06 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hi everyone!
I want to start things off by saying that this is my first time playing an instant majority lynch. While the first 48 hours obviously aren't instant majority, I still think we can start discuss some policy to get things going.
1.If we are about to kill someone, we should at least give the person 24 hours to be able to put up a solid defense.
2.Throw votes around all you want but if you hammer someone, you and everyone else on that wagon better provide good reasoning for that.
Everyone who fails at these stuff should get policy lynched right away imo. For clarification, Day 1 is instant majority. There is just a 48 hour time-limit on the day. So you could lynch someone before that time-limit. as a reminder as there appears to be some confusion I meant what happens if the deadline passes and a majority is not reached? Is that a no-lynch or a plurality lynch?
no lynch
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PERFECTLY STRONG COUNT
risk.nuke ( 0): Mr. Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, RebirthOfLeGenD, Hopeless1der
VisceraEyes ( 0 ): RebirthOfLeGenD
Sylencia ( 2 ): AxleGreaser, Ghor, Lazermonkey, Ghor
Mr. Cheesecake ( 1 ): Sylencia, RebirthOfLeGenD
Ghor ( 1 ): Hopeless1der , Hopeless1der
Hopeless1der ( 3 ): VisceraEyes, risk.nuke, Mr. Cheesecake, Ghor
Not Voting ( 2 ): AxleGreaser, Sylencia
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. This is instant majority lynch. If you see a mistake please notify us.
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On April 03 2013 21:54 Hopeless1der wrote:
Axle, if you're around, do you seriously believe I think there are 3 scum? You devoted a decent section of your case against me to something that literally cannot be true, unless Hapa is bastard modding
No I don't seriously believe you think there are 3 scum in 9 player game.
Who is your top scum read?
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On April 03 2013 22:08 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 21:54 Hopeless1der wrote:
Axle, if you're around, do you seriously believe I think there are 3 scum? You devoted a decent section of your case against me to something that literally cannot be true, unless Hapa is bastard modding No I don't seriously believe you think there are 3 scum in 9 player game. Who is your top scum read?
risk > ghor at the moment, but I haven't re-read ghor yet. working on a risk case now.
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On April 03 2013 22:09 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 22:08 AxleGreaser wrote:On April 03 2013 21:54 Hopeless1der wrote:
Axle, if you're around, do you seriously believe I think there are 3 scum? You devoted a decent section of your case against me to something that literally cannot be true, unless Hapa is bastard modding No I don't seriously believe you think there are 3 scum in 9 player game. Who is your top scum read? risk > ghor at the moment, but I haven't re-read ghor yet. working on a risk case now.
How did your case on Ghor get started?
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On April 03 2013 22:09 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 22:09 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 22:08 AxleGreaser wrote:On April 03 2013 21:54 Hopeless1der wrote:
Axle, if you're around, do you seriously believe I think there are 3 scum? You devoted a decent section of your case against me to something that literally cannot be true, unless Hapa is bastard modding No I don't seriously believe you think there are 3 scum in 9 player game. Who is your top scum read? risk > ghor at the moment, but I haven't re-read ghor yet. working on a risk case now. How did your case on Ghor get started?
Hes a trolly jerkface who insulted my literacy skills. Also, relatively insistent that risk.nuke is scum, but wont hammer in order to find the "other scum". Upon finding said scum (sylencia), doesn't want to hammer risk.nuke anymore. Granted, I'm sailing the same boat but whatever..
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On April 03 2013 21:46 Lazermonkey wrote:
They are indeed hypocrites in that regard but why does that make them scum? Does scum apply bad logic more so than town in your opinion? Because I actually think the opposite ( though it would be terrible to call someone town because of him applying bad logic...).
And wtf happend with your CC read? You still haven't answered yet.
The read disappeared when CC came back? I told you my point on him was that he left a vote and disappeared, he's come back, he's made points and he's not that high on my radar at the moment.
To your other questions, scum don't necessarily apply bad logic, they would more likely use actions others have done to justify something they didn't intend to do, run with it and hope it convinces enough people. So it's not really logic that I'm talking about there, just twisting other's actions would probably make for a better course of action. The problem I'd see with scum wanting to use logic is that it's easily backtracked and exposed, and that's why I don't see it being used as much of a point of attack as scum.
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On April 03 2013 22:15 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 22:09 AxleGreaser wrote:On April 03 2013 22:09 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 22:08 AxleGreaser wrote:On April 03 2013 21:54 Hopeless1der wrote:
Axle, if you're around, do you seriously believe I think there are 3 scum? You devoted a decent section of your case against me to something that literally cannot be true, unless Hapa is bastard modding No I don't seriously believe you think there are 3 scum in 9 player game. Who is your top scum read? risk > ghor at the moment, but I haven't re-read ghor yet. working on a risk case now. How did your case on Ghor get started? Hes a trolly jerkface who insulted my literacy skills. Also, relatively insistent that risk.nuke is scum, but wont hammer in order to find the "other scum". Upon finding said scum (sylencia), doesn't want to hammer risk.nuke anymore. Granted, I'm sailing the same boat but whatever.. So you confess that you are looking scummy or what?
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On April 03 2013 22:24 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 22:15 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 22:09 AxleGreaser wrote:On April 03 2013 22:09 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 22:08 AxleGreaser wrote:On April 03 2013 21:54 Hopeless1der wrote:
Axle, if you're around, do you seriously believe I think there are 3 scum? You devoted a decent section of your case against me to something that literally cannot be true, unless Hapa is bastard modding No I don't seriously believe you think there are 3 scum in 9 player game. Who is your top scum read? risk > ghor at the moment, but I haven't re-read ghor yet. working on a risk case now. How did your case on Ghor get started? Hes a trolly jerkface who insulted my literacy skills. Also, relatively insistent that risk.nuke is scum, but wont hammer in order to find the "other scum". Upon finding said scum (sylencia), doesn't want to hammer risk.nuke anymore. Granted, I'm sailing the same boat but whatever.. So you confess that you are looking scummy or what?
I always look scummy, you're the one who's been defending me on that concept.
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Okay, back to why risk.nuke is scum:
Let me try again and actually explain why this shows a scum mentality.
On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal.
1) Soft-claim town. He didn't say "I'M TOWN", he said voting a townie is bad.
2) Now, I'm making some pretty blanket statements here, but I would expect:
- Scum want to kill townies.
- Townies want to kill scum.
- Townies do not want to kill townies.
The assumption of this post is that CC is town and should not want other townies to die. <---This is what I am calling as the slip, risk knows CC is town.
+ Show Spoiler +[CONFIRMATION BIAS] On April 02 2013 08:48 risk.nuke wrote:
You want me to spoil the ending and hand you the key to the test? He has the answer key *hint hint* [/CONFIRMATION BIAS]
risk.nuke is the original proponent of the Kenpachi rule in this game. He did this for no other reason than an errant observation. No alignment indicative thoughts on it. VE made his point about it already:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 02 2013 10:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
I had a similar thought regarding risk.nuke. Why bring up the Kenpachi Rule at all if he had no intention of following it? My thoughts brought me to "He's scummy". He's either:
1) Scum trying to incriminate RoL innocuously by "joking" about Kenpachi Rule.
2) Town trying to trap someone into agreeing with his assessment and voting RoL.
I ruled out 2 by asking him if he thought RoL was scum because of it, and he doesn't, which leaves 1).
##Vote: risk.nuke
Conversely I'm very null on RoL. Abhorring my play-style is very NOT alignment indicative for that guy.
Something I notice reading risk's filter is he keeps trying to defend himself regarding his handling of the Kenpachi Rule, saying that people have different opinions and that he doesn't use methods like that to find scum.
However, when initially called out by VE, he insists that he was scumhunting
Its not so much a backpedal as it is him trying to "say the right things" to me.
Over the course of an hour, risk twice tells VE/RoL to stop tunneling
On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote:
VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant.
On April 02 2013 10:46 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 10:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Can you point out where I've been talking about "the dangers of voting"? I'm pretty sure all I've talked about was how Lazer's and RoL's policies were retarded and unfair respectively. Will you please god damn stop tunneling? The thread have talked about it, I assume you read the thread?
But does nothing to steer the direction himself, just has a voice to tell them to stop whatever it is that they are doing (later on this was ganging up on him).
risk.nuke moves on to accuse me of not really being interested in finding scum, while at the same time calling EVERY NON-POSTING PERSON SCUMMY.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 02 2013 11:07 risk.nuke wrote:
Viscera. Tunneling isn't about time, it's about not having an open mind. You lashed out at me instantly and agressively for the smallest thing so clearly you're looking at me as if I am scum and are trying to find things things that are scummy about me to confirm that belief. Aka tunneling.
You want REAL scummy shit. Everyone that's not posting are scummier then those who are posting.
For 2, I personally think Hopeless1der look very uninterested in finding scum.
He goes to bed shortly after this, and upon waking up promises his "case" on meHAPA????. I mean, I guess that could happen if you'd just woken up, but still, that just irks me that he confuses his Scumread with the Host of the game. Nevertheless, he gets together his case on me:
On April 02 2013 20:58 risk.nuke wrote:Hopeless1der it started with this post.Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 10:07 Hopeless1der wrote:
ghor, are we going to be fighting a language barrier with you or are you just trolling? He's pretty much around but doesn't do anything or comments on anything of worth. His three posts tells us he was around and this is what he choose to comment on? Compare to other filters, dessertfruityHis other two posts one is a sheep-post where he talks briefly about hammers, which is fine but it doesn't really add anything. The second and last one is some cheap shots which mostly just serve to tell us he's not reading the thread and if he is he's just skimming through it without caring when we're 1½ pages.
Really, it started with my second post in the game? Bro, I had 3 posts at the time of this "case". Read my first 3 posts of both of those filters and compare them to my first 3 posts here. If you can honestly tell me I look 100% scummier in this game than those 2, then fuck it, hammer me right goddamn now.
On April 03 2013 14:27 risk.nuke wrote:
We're not lynching anyone other then hopeless. RoL you got to be joking if you think that we're going to lynch cheesecake first. While I agree with your posts and I had some thoughts in simmilar direction last night. It's still a weaker case then on hopeless. I don't like how you haven't talked about me since your vote and I would like you to comment further on me and hopeless.
Hopeless is obvious scum and has pretty much given up by now. This is not how he plays as town.
And Ghor's post are not hard to read. If you disregard the fact that he speaks in third person and often don't use capital letters they're actually very simple to read and even efficiently phrased.
Sylencia. Who do you want to kill?
I want to know how I play as town, risk. Please show me.
risk.nuke's scumread on me is very weak imo, and he cites my meta as his main argument without demonstrating how I've deviated from my town meta or adhered to my scum meta. He's just made the statement that I'm not playing my town game and that I'm obvious scum. This is an incredibly lazy stance to take, and I want to see it substantiated before I die if possible. Alternatively, I'd like to see risk.nuke swing.
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On April 03 2013 22:30 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 22:24 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 03 2013 22:15 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 22:09 AxleGreaser wrote:On April 03 2013 22:09 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 22:08 AxleGreaser wrote:On April 03 2013 21:54 Hopeless1der wrote:
Axle, if you're around, do you seriously believe I think there are 3 scum? You devoted a decent section of your case against me to something that literally cannot be true, unless Hapa is bastard modding No I don't seriously believe you think there are 3 scum in 9 player game. Who is your top scum read? risk > ghor at the moment, but I haven't re-read ghor yet. working on a risk case now. How did your case on Ghor get started? Hes a trolly jerkface who insulted my literacy skills. Also, relatively insistent that risk.nuke is scum, but wont hammer in order to find the "other scum". Upon finding said scum (sylencia), doesn't want to hammer risk.nuke anymore. Granted, I'm sailing the same boat but whatever.. So you confess that you are looking scummy or what? I always look scummy, you're the one who's been defending me on that concept. Yes, I was just slightly suprised to see you defend yourself in that matter...
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DOUBLE POST due to bottom of page:
Okay, back to why risk.nuke is scum:
Let me try again and actually explain why this shows a scum mentality.
On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal.
1) Soft-claim town. He didn't say "I'M TOWN", he said voting a townie is bad.
2) Now, I'm making some pretty blanket statements here, but I would expect:
- Scum want to kill townies.
- Townies want to kill scum.
- Townies do not want to kill townies.
The assumption of this post is that CC is town and should not want other townies to die. <---This is what I am calling as the slip, risk knows CC is town.
+ Show Spoiler +[CONFIRMATION BIAS] On April 02 2013 08:48 risk.nuke wrote:
You want me to spoil the ending and hand you the key to the test? He has the answer key *hint hint* [/CONFIRMATION BIAS]
risk.nuke is the original proponent of the Kenpachi rule in this game. He did this for no other reason than an errant observation. No alignment indicative thoughts on it. VE made his point about it already:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 02 2013 10:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
I had a similar thought regarding risk.nuke. Why bring up the Kenpachi Rule at all if he had no intention of following it? My thoughts brought me to "He's scummy". He's either:
1) Scum trying to incriminate RoL innocuously by "joking" about Kenpachi Rule.
2) Town trying to trap someone into agreeing with his assessment and voting RoL.
I ruled out 2 by asking him if he thought RoL was scum because of it, and he doesn't, which leaves 1).
##Vote: risk.nuke
Conversely I'm very null on RoL. Abhorring my play-style is very NOT alignment indicative for that guy.
Something I notice reading risk's filter is he keeps trying to defend himself regarding his handling of the Kenpachi Rule, saying that people have different opinions and that he doesn't use methods like that to find scum.
However, when initially called out by VE, he insists that he was scumhunting
Its not so much a backpedal as it is him trying to "say the right things" to me.
Over the course of an hour, risk twice tells VE/RoL to stop tunneling
On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote:
VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant.
On April 02 2013 10:46 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 10:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Can you point out where I've been talking about "the dangers of voting"? I'm pretty sure all I've talked about was how Lazer's and RoL's policies were retarded and unfair respectively. Will you please god damn stop tunneling? The thread have talked about it, I assume you read the thread?
But does nothing to steer the direction himself, just has a voice to tell them to stop whatever it is that they are doing (later on this was ganging up on him).
risk.nuke moves on to accuse me of not really being interested in finding scum, while at the same time calling EVERY NON-POSTING PERSON SCUMMY.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 02 2013 11:07 risk.nuke wrote:
Viscera. Tunneling isn't about time, it's about not having an open mind. You lashed out at me instantly and agressively for the smallest thing so clearly you're looking at me as if I am scum and are trying to find things things that are scummy about me to confirm that belief. Aka tunneling.
You want REAL scummy shit. Everyone that's not posting are scummier then those who are posting.
For 2, I personally think Hopeless1der look very uninterested in finding scum.
He goes to bed shortly after this, and upon waking up promises his "case" on meHAPA????. I mean, I guess that could happen if you'd just woken up, but still, that just irks me that he confuses his Scumread with the Host of the game. Nevertheless, he gets together his case on me:
On April 02 2013 20:58 risk.nuke wrote:Hopeless1der it started with this post.Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 10:07 Hopeless1der wrote:
ghor, are we going to be fighting a language barrier with you or are you just trolling? He's pretty much around but doesn't do anything or comments on anything of worth. His three posts tells us he was around and this is what he choose to comment on? Compare to other filters, dessertfruityHis other two posts one is a sheep-post where he talks briefly about hammers, which is fine but it doesn't really add anything. The second and last one is some cheap shots which mostly just serve to tell us he's not reading the thread and if he is he's just skimming through it without caring when we're 1½ pages.
Really, it started with my second post in the game? Bro, I had 3 posts at the time of this "case". Read my first 3 posts of both of those filters and compare them to my first 3 posts here. If you can honestly tell me I look 100% scummier in this game than those 2, then fuck it, hammer me right goddamn now.
On April 03 2013 14:27 risk.nuke wrote:
We're not lynching anyone other then hopeless. RoL you got to be joking if you think that we're going to lynch cheesecake first. While I agree with your posts and I had some thoughts in simmilar direction last night. It's still a weaker case then on hopeless. I don't like how you haven't talked about me since your vote and I would like you to comment further on me and hopeless.
Hopeless is obvious scum and has pretty much given up by now. This is not how he plays as town.
And Ghor's post are not hard to read. If you disregard the fact that he speaks in third person and often don't use capital letters they're actually very simple to read and even efficiently phrased.
Sylencia. Who do you want to kill?
I want to know how I play as town, risk. Please show me.
risk.nuke's scumread on me is very weak imo, and he cites my meta as his main argument without demonstrating how I've deviated from my town meta or adhered to my scum meta. He's just made the statement that I'm not playing my town game and that I'm obvious scum. This is an incredibly lazy stance to take, and I want to see it substantiated before I die if possible. Alternatively, I'd like to see risk.nuke swing.
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On April 03 2013 22:15 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 22:09 AxleGreaser wrote:On April 03 2013 22:09 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 22:08 AxleGreaser wrote:On April 03 2013 21:54 Hopeless1der wrote:
Axle, if you're around, do you seriously believe I think there are 3 scum? You devoted a decent section of your case against me to something that literally cannot be true, unless Hapa is bastard modding No I don't seriously believe you think there are 3 scum in 9 player game. Who is your top scum read? risk > ghor at the moment, but I haven't re-read ghor yet. working on a risk case now. How did your case on Ghor get started? Hes a trolly jerkface who insulted my literacy skills. Also, relatively insistent that risk.nuke is scum, but wont hammer in order to find the "other scum". Upon finding said scum (sylencia), doesn't want to hammer risk.nuke anymore. Granted, I'm sailing the same boat but whatever..
That's strange... while that is where in your filter you first started mentioning Ghor...
I did indeed find the argument over the scum slip interesting.
In this post
On April 03 2013 01:59 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 01:56 Ghor wrote:
ghor think hopeless braindead if he thinks ghor teammate with risk. ghor pointed out fallacies with risk early, try get proper opinion on him from sylencia.
All reasoning laid out, hopeless not absorb it.
Hopeless, question:
Ghor saw the scumslip you pointed out that was none. Ghor answered to your assessment, what do you deduce from it?
(Ghor deduces it another example of hopeless amazing reading comprehension) it was what initially put me onto you as scum, so thank you for the compliment.
You indicate that it was him not agreeing with your assessment of the scumslip.
Now that is important to me in assessing the genuine nature of your scum hunting.
it strike me that if you are reacting emotively to "a trolly jerkface who insulted my literacy skills"
and when you find out that what you claimed was what originally put you onto him
then at best you are seriously tunnel visioned...
Wine that is easier to drink is that, you are scum, and not interested in whether or not your read started from false premise. (the false premise is Ghor not liking your scum slip indicated to you, he was scum)
Its true that is not strong indicator, its true if I had better candidate id vote lynch them.
Its not the only thing I said in that post by rather long shot.
As you have noted its not possible that all the people who don't think that was scum slip are scum, there
are just too many of us.
So yes I regard that you do not seem to go back and actually critically evaluate your reads as scum indicative.
it simply doesn't feel like genuine searching for the truth, just a glove that does or does not fit.
BTW. I got a bad feeling the trolly jerk face probably fell off his chair when he read your last post.
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On April 03 2013 22:34 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 22:30 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 22:24 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 03 2013 22:15 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 22:09 AxleGreaser wrote:On April 03 2013 22:09 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 22:08 AxleGreaser wrote:On April 03 2013 21:54 Hopeless1der wrote:
Axle, if you're around, do you seriously believe I think there are 3 scum? You devoted a decent section of your case against me to something that literally cannot be true, unless Hapa is bastard modding No I don't seriously believe you think there are 3 scum in 9 player game. Who is your top scum read? risk > ghor at the moment, but I haven't re-read ghor yet. working on a risk case now. How did your case on Ghor get started? Hes a trolly jerkface who insulted my literacy skills. Also, relatively insistent that risk.nuke is scum, but wont hammer in order to find the "other scum". Upon finding said scum (sylencia), doesn't want to hammer risk.nuke anymore. Granted, I'm sailing the same boat but whatever.. So you confess that you are looking scummy or what? I always look scummy, you're the one who's been defending me on that concept. Yes, I was just slightly suprised to see you defend yourself in that matter...
Wouldn't be the first time. (Looney Lynching)
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On April 03 2013 22:36 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 22:15 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 22:09 AxleGreaser wrote:On April 03 2013 22:09 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 22:08 AxleGreaser wrote:On April 03 2013 21:54 Hopeless1der wrote:
Axle, if you're around, do you seriously believe I think there are 3 scum? You devoted a decent section of your case against me to something that literally cannot be true, unless Hapa is bastard modding No I don't seriously believe you think there are 3 scum in 9 player game. Who is your top scum read? risk > ghor at the moment, but I haven't re-read ghor yet. working on a risk case now. How did your case on Ghor get started? Hes a trolly jerkface who insulted my literacy skills. Also, relatively insistent that risk.nuke is scum, but wont hammer in order to find the "other scum". Upon finding said scum (sylencia), doesn't want to hammer risk.nuke anymore. Granted, I'm sailing the same boat but whatever.. That's strange... while that is where in your filter you first started mentioning Ghor... I did indeed find the argument over the scum slip interesting. In this post Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 01:59 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 01:56 Ghor wrote:
ghor think hopeless braindead if he thinks ghor teammate with risk. ghor pointed out fallacies with risk early, try get proper opinion on him from sylencia.
All reasoning laid out, hopeless not absorb it.
Hopeless, question:
Ghor saw the scumslip you pointed out that was none. Ghor answered to your assessment, what do you deduce from it?
(Ghor deduces it another example of hopeless amazing reading comprehension) it was what initially put me onto you as scum, so thank you for the compliment. You indicate that it was him not agreeing with your assessment of the scumslip. Now that is important to me in assessing the genuine nature of your scum hunting. it strike me that if you are reacting emotively to "a trolly jerkface who insulted my literacy skills" and when you find out that what you claimed was what originally put you onto him then at best you are seriously tunnel visioned... Wine that is easier to drink is that, you are scum, and not interested in whether or not your read started from false premise. (the false premise is Ghor not liking your scum slip indicated to you, he was scum) Its true that is not strong indicator, its true if I had better candidate id vote lynch them. Its not the only thing I said in that post by rather long shot. As you have noted its not possible that all the people who don't think that was scum slip are scum, there are just too many of us. So yes I regard that you do not seem to go back and actually critically evaluate your reads as scum indicative. it simply doesn't feel like genuine searching for the truth, just a glove that does or does not fit. BTW. I got a bad feeling the trolly jerk face probably fell off his chair when he read your last post.
He insulted my literacy skills regarding the scumslip:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 02 2013 11:13 Ghor wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
##unvote: VE
##Vote: Risk.nuke
It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you? Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument? Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote:
VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant. If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule? No I don't. Doesn't seem all that legit to me.
Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal. Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town. ghor think contradiction also very strong point.but ghor want long day. risk ok, risk on chopping block but no axe soon, axe later. wait for other information, milk day, find other scum. but that no scumslip, that was cc voting risk and risk saying he town and vote bad, you read thread pls hopeless.no offense.For low probability that risk do stupid mistake as town, 3 vote on risk mean scum can kill risk together. if risk town he can play harder than everyone else now and know if he does not, he dead. but need other opinion from not posting people first. no go quick with axe. Ploha. Oh wait he said "No offense". Clearly he has no malicious intent.
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On April 03 2013 22:20 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 21:46 Lazermonkey wrote:
They are indeed hypocrites in that regard but why does that make them scum? Does scum apply bad logic more so than town in your opinion? Because I actually think the opposite ( though it would be terrible to call someone town because of him applying bad logic...).
And wtf happend with your CC read? You still haven't answered yet. The read disappeared when CC came back? I told you my point on him was that he left a vote and disappeared, he's come back, he's made points and he's not that high on my radar at the moment. To your other questions, scum don't necessarily apply bad logic, they would more likely use actions others have done to justify something they didn't intend to do, run with it and hope it convinces enough people. So it's not really logic that I'm talking about there, just twisting other's actions would probably make for a better course of action. The problem I'd see with scum wanting to use logic is that it's easily backtracked and exposed, and that's why I don't see it being used as much of a point of attack as scum. Lolwtf.
So you vote CC and say "Not sure if trolling around is his meta but seems pretty scum from here." because of how careless he throwes around his vote (which I think is a shit reasoning but that is quite irrelevant) but when he just unvotes, you just say "yhea, he is town NP". That makes 0 sense.
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Owell, I'm leaving now a few hours.
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On April 03 2013 22:53 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 22:20 Sylencia wrote:On April 03 2013 21:46 Lazermonkey wrote:
They are indeed hypocrites in that regard but why does that make them scum? Does scum apply bad logic more so than town in your opinion? Because I actually think the opposite ( though it would be terrible to call someone town because of him applying bad logic...).
And wtf happend with your CC read? You still haven't answered yet. The read disappeared when CC came back? I told you my point on him was that he left a vote and disappeared, he's come back, he's made points and he's not that high on my radar at the moment. To your other questions, scum don't necessarily apply bad logic, they would more likely use actions others have done to justify something they didn't intend to do, run with it and hope it convinces enough people. So it's not really logic that I'm talking about there, just twisting other's actions would probably make for a better course of action. The problem I'd see with scum wanting to use logic is that it's easily backtracked and exposed, and that's why I don't see it being used as much of a point of attack as scum. Lolwtf. So you vote CC and say "Not sure if trolling around is his meta but seems pretty scum from here." because of how careless he throwes around his vote (which I think is a shit reasoning but that is quite irrelevant) but when he just unvotes, you just say "yhea, he is town NP". That makes 0 sense.
Again, did I say "yeah he is town np", concentrating on more prominent targets is not the same as saying someone is town.
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Why the hell are you defending Hopeless so hard, Lazer?
On April 03 2013 18:14 Lazermonkey wrote:Hopeless is a decent lynch at most. But while that is the case, my last 2 games I played town with town Hopeless. Both games ended up with hopeless misslynched or vigi killed. Hopeless were making several basic errors in those games as well. These games were: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946 (mafia LVIII) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955 (dessert mini) To be fair, I don't see a clear diference between Hopeless play in those games and this game. This obviously doesn't make Hopless town but I really don't see how you are voting him over Sylencia at this point. And reading the thread doesn't exactly help me... Axle: I have no idea why you think hopeless is scum. Risk: You reasons for voting Hopeless is partly meta and partly the fact that he isn't scum hunting. The meta part I disagree with and the scum hunting part is something that Sylencia does far worse at. Also, why do you continously avoid taking a stance on Sylencia despite promising to do so? CC: You are voting hopeless for poor logic but guess what? That isn't alignment indicative. VE and Ghor I think have decent reasons to be on him atm. The reason I didn't say anything about this earlier is because I wanted Hopeless to defend himself rather than me do it for him, but since we are one vote away from killing him atm, my strategy has indeed failed.
It's funny you mention my and VE's vote for Hopeless. We are voting him for the exact same reasons. We pushed him at the same time. I have no idea why you like VE's reasons better, because they are the same.
You think Hopeless is a 'decent lynch' but hard-defend the guy. In order for him to be a decent lynch you must have some sort of scum read on him --- and then proceed to contradict yourself by calling him town via meta. Then you say it's not even concrete evidence...
What the heck is your stance on Hopeless? You seem nervous about him flipping.
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On March 29 2013 03:16 Dandel Ion wrote:
I will be very disappointed if you don't lynch the host, though.
beggars cant be choosers, no case on the host yet i am afraid, will kenpachi do?
A case on Kenpachi
+ Show Spoiler [Open in the event of Death] + or for personal amusement or to find out why WTF I was doing today... The Kenpachi Incident. Axle: Well Skip, this is fine game of mafia, seen any funny peculiar smelly stuff? Skip: Woof! Axle: so you fetch the sticks I will examine them. Skip: fetchFor the sake of those that are not familiar with the standard a pattern, after perhaps little policy warm up, the 'players' start some argy bargy. + Show Spoiler [argy bargy] +Skip: Stick: Cheese votesAh yes, Cheese did a just for LOLs vote on risk.nuke because he had some small cause, absence from thread having posted ... in the first few mins then dropped out for 90 mins or so. Skip: Stick: active delurkerrisk responds in 3 mins, just happened to be there? Risk is not (in my view phased at all)... Later Skip: here he says"Cheesecakes early vote on me was a pressure-vote. It was completely fine,..." Having got someone new to talk to Cheescake gets on with the game Skip: Cheese not think hi vote is a big deal...Not to be outdone RoL votes VE (for being bad not for being scum?) (aka BS) Skip: Votes VE for BSVE and Rol swap some BS, and feigned? offence... (dont know how close to the bone this game cuts yet) And then the wheels supposedly fall off. At 9:18 risk posts a reply he probably been writing since about 8:52 Skip: Policy statements by riskNow question you have to ask your self, is if Risk is scum just how pressured does he feel at the moment? Does it make sense that he rashly grabs at just anything because "OMG they're onto me?" 1 minute later. he posts this... Skip: RoL got kenpachied? do you think he was really hoping someone was going to ride, the idea that anyone who votes for anyone who says they are towny is scum? Could it be that he just likes knowing about the rule? besides what actually does he say the Rule is? Skip: The rule"Kenpachi claims vanilla townie and the first person to contest it is mafia." and for me here is one rub, Kenpachi is not in the game...! not only is Kenpachi not in the game, but VE claimed town, not VT? When kenpachi claimed VT, thats a much bigger WTF play that might well garner some scum pressure looking for the first silly play they can find... The two situations to me bear almost no similarity... so far... I hate to go all ACE and 3rd grade reading skills .... exactly how serious, does anyone who can read, think what a such ridiculously BS claim is? BTW (I am dead serious, AFTER the game feel free anyone who knows better to tell me what the F this was all about if it was not just all bullshit.) So VE asks.... Ah I see. So does this make RoL scum to you?Well as the conditions of the trap were not met, its an obvious no? As best I can tell, what risk did wrong, was when Risk made his push on VE he couldn't back it up at all. Thus unlike cheeses vote, which had some basis in fact... Risk was lurking... Risk pushed without a plan what to do if the pushee pushed back... AKA not being serious, not really trying, yeah its bit thin... but are scum actually that willy nilly? However, even though VEs vote puts risk at 2 votes which is more pressure, and we could wait and see what happens, with that much pressure. Why is two votes a good idea? Well when he had one vote, he was basically laughing it off. RoL however jumps on with the 3rd vote... My problem with that move... is there is for me such discontinuity between the pressure of 1 vote and being at L-2 that i have no serious idea, whether Risk subsequent messes as he tries to back out of it badly... remembering the spontaneous 1 min knee jerk way he got into the mess, its not surprising to me there was no exit strategy. because yes even as town after you push one player you may need to then go push another hence an exit strategy if you find your pressure is no longer required as you got he feedback to soothe that itchy feeling. (Syl posting when Syl got home from work) About the towniest thing I saw he did for a while, was, first try then ignore it and go to bed. So yeah, the Kenpachi thing was ill advised, and spontaneous, that therewere in fact logical ways to say no it was just for Lols look it doesn't even fit this situation... but that wasnt said? basically it feels a lot like a face palm play. Shit happens.... However.... did scum try to capitalise on that? Well basically Cheese got stuck under a bigger push... (or just was RL asleep/work?) VE presented this argument + Show Spoiler +On April 02 2013 10:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
I had a similar thought regarding risk.nuke. Why bring up the Kenpachi Rule at all if he had no intention of following it? My thoughts brought me to "He's scummy". He's either:
1) Scum trying to incriminate RoL innocuously by "joking" about Kenpachi Rule.
2) Town trying to trap someone into agreeing with his assessment and voting RoL.
I ruled out 2 by asking him if he thought RoL was scum because of it, and he doesn't, which leaves 1).
##Vote: risk.nuke
Conversely I'm very null on RoL. Abhorring my play-style is very NOT alignment indicative for that guy. Um err what? VE presents two options Risk is "the pope" or "hes scum" proves he not the pope therefore he is scum? Now that exaggerates the problem a lot but NO VE, that is known as false dichotomy? yes VE (may!!!) have ruled out 2, but no that does not only leave option 1... BTW how would presenting case you really support that someone is scum trap someone into agreeing with it at all. I agree its shitty trap that would never have done anything... if some reader knew what the trap was... See here Risk says he thought more people knew about it.... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18179647People are asking me about the Kenpachi rule, I actually thought more people knew about it. Ghor, It was discussed in a post game I played one or two years ago, I don't think there were statistics but I remember people praised it's accuracy (before it got outed) Do note how the trap worked before it got outed, in other words it was tell that required the trapee to not know what the trap was... if more people knew about it then its no longer applicable? The intriguing thing about this whole business is, what exactly was the Kenpachi trap? Well Kenpachi did something to make himself Lynch bait, and then waited for a fish to bite... people looking for easy BS lynches were more likely to take the bait... aka scum go for the low hanging fruit. Oh ... I see said the blind man... There were indeed some people doing things that were ever so slightly scummy in that they could have been easily mistaken as riding some easy mislynch into the ground. BTW ta. So what does all this mean? Well while there is in fact some scumminess in risk being lackadaisical in how he pushed and made a fluff of it, I think scum sometimes are more lase fair in their approach to the game... although some scum play more serious so WTF knows anyway its at least an oddly weak play by risk... but lynch worthy that early? No just a convenient place to park. So what does all this mean? Well after we Lynch the first two Scum we should then Lynch Kenpachi Intent to Lynch kenpachi! TLDR; Hes been shitting up the thread enormously. Obvious scum is obvious. Well just as soon as I can find him...
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On April 03 2013 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
Noted.
I'm rereading right now. I totally missed that Ghor had made a case on Sylencia. I'm gonna go read that part of the day in context and see what I see.
@VE for when you return, what came of this?
@axle
what in the actual fuck, i dont even?
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Russian Federation140 Posts
Ghor very curious why hopeless never ask scummy sylencia why he want vote him. scummy sylencia only skating by hopeless lynch. and hopeless hardly mention sylencia or comment on what ghor said.look like not exist for each other in thread, maybe only in qt.
sylencia not ask scumread CC question.sylencia not ask hopeless question. sylencia fake scumhunt. no hunt for information. he only try discredit ghor cause ghor close scumteam.
Look in filter, what ghor say true. sylencia not interested in scumread, only passive say he lynch people. goes for ghor cause ghor look like troll, that initial reason. now only give other reason to stay on easy target. but ghor can stop troll if he want and sylencia very likely not stop tunnel. that cause sylencia scum.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
ebwop: he only try discredit ghor cause ghor close scumteam.
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On April 04 2013 00:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Why the hell are you defending Hopeless so hard, Lazer? Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 18:14 Lazermonkey wrote:Hopeless is a decent lynch at most. But while that is the case, my last 2 games I played town with town Hopeless. Both games ended up with hopeless misslynched or vigi killed. Hopeless were making several basic errors in those games as well. These games were: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946 (mafia LVIII) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955 (dessert mini) To be fair, I don't see a clear diference between Hopeless play in those games and this game. This obviously doesn't make Hopless town but I really don't see how you are voting him over Sylencia at this point. And reading the thread doesn't exactly help me... Axle: I have no idea why you think hopeless is scum. Risk: You reasons for voting Hopeless is partly meta and partly the fact that he isn't scum hunting. The meta part I disagree with and the scum hunting part is something that Sylencia does far worse at. Also, why do you continously avoid taking a stance on Sylencia despite promising to do so? CC: You are voting hopeless for poor logic but guess what? That isn't alignment indicative. VE and Ghor I think have decent reasons to be on him atm. The reason I didn't say anything about this earlier is because I wanted Hopeless to defend himself rather than me do it for him, but since we are one vote away from killing him atm, my strategy has indeed failed. It's funny you mention my and VE's vote for Hopeless. We are voting him for the exact same reasons. We pushed him at the same time. I have no idea why you like VE's reasons better, because they are the same.You think Hopeless is a 'decent lynch' but hard-defend the guy. In order for him to be a decent lynch you must have some sort of scum read on him --- and then proceed to contradict yourself by calling him town via meta. Then you say it's not even concrete evidence... What the heck is your stance on Hopeless? You seem nervous about him flipping.
Lazer Said "Axle: I have no idea why you think hopeless is scum."
Sorry earlier I failed to even parse what LazerMonkey meant.
I kind of auto assumed he couldn't find any EXTRA reasons I thought he was scummy...
Well in my view rather obviously as I put my case AFTER VE and cheese said their bits, but I did not say I disagreed with them, that was an implicit agreement.
So basically while I do agree with what had been said, my post added what ever extra I could.
BTW. I am getting pretty tired... expect some WTF grammar and stuff.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
On April 04 2013 00:54 Ghor wrote:
ebwop: he only try discredit ghor cause ghor trolls.
ghor serious mental block now.make double mistake he not understand.
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On April 04 2013 00:52 Ghor wrote:
Ghor very curious why hopeless never ask scummy sylencia why he want vote him. scummy sylencia only skating by hopeless lynch. and hopeless hardly mention sylencia or comment on what ghor said.look like not exist for each other in thread, maybe only in qt.
sylencia not ask scumread CC question.sylencia not ask hopeless question. sylencia fake scumhunt. no hunt for information. he only try discredit ghor cause ghor close scumteam.
Look in filter, what ghor say true. sylencia not interested in scumread, only passive say he lynch people. goes for ghor cause ghor look like troll, that initial reason. now only give other reason to stay on easy target. but ghor can stop troll if he want and sylencia very likely not stop tunnel. that cause sylencia scum.
Indulge us, please.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
Ghor remembers, ghor meant he close to scumteam. ghor not understand own strange language at times, cause left away to.
writing strange = hard. forget fast
ghor will resume:
hopeless -> risk, ghor
risk -> hopeless
sylencia -> hopeless, ghor.
risk no comment on sylencia, but ghor asked to. he delay. no comment yet. ghor pissed.
hopeless no comment on sylencia. he attack ghor when ghor question sylencia.
sylencia no comment hopeless, scummy defense of risk.
this constellation leave ghor unsure and conflicting. ghor rethought risk again, townread he gave spontaneously maybe wrong, but rethinking also good scum candidate. but ghor need compromise on one of them. and ghor knows he prefer sylencia most, but would compromise on other two.
hopeless, need opinion on sylencia, too.
need opinion on sylencia from risk.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
ebwop: sylencia no question hopeless, no question cc. but drive-by comments on hopeless without push.he did comment.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
Ghor no stop trolling. Ghor is the shit, capitalist swine are the flies.ghor only attack from people who look scummy. attack troll easy contribution, not possible be attack back for attack troll. maybe other town waste time pressure townie. ghor attractive target for scum.
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Is Cheese here? and is Hopeless at L-2 ?
I have counted it, but i am a bit bleary eyed and want a nap.
If Hopeless is at L-2 I will vote now. I ought wake up, but just to be safe...
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According to STRONGCOUNT I'm at L-2. Here, how's this?
##Unvote: Ghor
##Vote: Hopeless1der
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Axle do you still think I lied or was contradictory about why I started after Ghor in the first place?
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Russian Federation140 Posts
Hopeless say what you think of sylencia instead of derping? Your reading mistakes made you look terrible, but not only, and I'm trying to get a scummier dude than you lynched, so stop martyring and start cooperating if you're town.
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On April 04 2013 01:19 Ghor wrote:
Hopeless say what you think of sylencia instead of derping? Your reading mistakes made you look terrible, but not only, and I'm trying to get a scummier dude than you lynched, so stop martyring and start cooperating if you're town.
HOLY SHIT HE STOPPED 3RD PERSON
##Unvote
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Hopeless, my case on you is not meta based. Meta is generally only something I use to gather others to my case once it's been made.
My problem with you is I called you out for not caring about scum hunting quite early, and despite that you didn't give a shit about trying to up your game, while you weren't under any pressure. Nor have you claimed busy. You just straight out was lurking and never scumhunting or caring about the game.
Your only contributions were highly suspicious egging-on-from-the-shadows posts.
My impression on you which I've gotten from games I've played with you before is you're an intelligent individual. So why have an intelligent townie not given a shit about scumhunting or making cases.
Additionally later when you after ages bring up your theory. You come up with the WORST and MOST UNLIKELY possible theory for scumbuddies that only makes it seem like you're not reading the thread. Ghor have been sharper with his comments on me then anyone else in the thread. And additionally I am just about the most active player in the game.
The only possible explanations are you're scum or a townie who's not putting in any time in the game. But then why haven't you come clean and admitted you haven't given a shit about the game because that is the only other possible explanation I might had believed. But even with that your egging on posts doesn't make sense.
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tell you what, make the case on sylencia you said you might and I'll comment on that. At present Sylencia is third in line to 1-risk.nuke and 2-Ghor.
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Ghor I've been reluctant to answer the Sylencia question because I didn't want to say I have a null-read on Sylencia. But that is what I feel, I want more from him to make up my mind. There are things I like about him and there are things I don't like about him.
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@risk, you barely made a case on me in the first place. You accuse me of not scumhunting based on 3 posts just hours into the game. Your follow-up is that I'm obvious scum and that this isn't town hopeless. My OMGUS is literally to replace "hopeless" with "risk", and my argument is as strong as the one you'd presented.
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I've been the most active player in the thread and half of the game have revolved around me.
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On April 04 2013 01:34 risk.nuke wrote:
I've been the most active player in the thread and half of the game have revolved around me.
which is a product of you being scum, and the thread being reluctant to believe so easily.
How is that alignment indicative?
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On April 04 2013 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 01:34 risk.nuke wrote:
I've been the most active player in the thread and half of the game have revolved around me. which is a product of you being scum, and the thread being reluctant to believe so easily. How is that alignment indicative?
Because while I was the talk of the entire game I played pro-town by discussing and sharing my reads and put in effort to prevent a mislynch on me.
You're just coming back with weak shit. Where my reads showed the thread I was reading and caring about the game your reads prove you're not reading or caring about the game.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
I already wrote stuff about sylencia, not really motivated to requote things from my own filter. Most of it revolves around his early post, his strange defense of risk (=risk did odd things, but scum risk too good to draw attention early, and many votes on risk make him feel bad about the push) and his denial to talk with me about risk at the timing where hopeless attacks me and sylencia slips away
His disinterest in milking his scumreads.
He never asks hopeless or cc a question or interacts with them when they are his scumreads.
His posts looks like he cares a lot about his image in the thread, he answers most people that mention him in negative ways, he looks very defensive, tries hard to not have a bad image instead of convincing others to lynch his scumreads.
He does not seem to make an effort in taking control of thread direction, only says who he wants to lynch, mostly not with much reasoning.
These are things not easy to make a case with. I could dissect his posts, but I think it's better if others checked it for themselves. Especially the timing stuff is hard to gain from the filter alone. You have to have developed a feeling of context for this, and you only gain that with involvement and reading everything, not just filter.
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I'm back. Did I miss anything BESIDES Hopeless trying to kill himself?
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Russian Federation140 Posts
You missed that Sylencia is a guaranteed red flip.
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Yeah I did miss that.
I looked at Sylencia yesterday and decided I don't wanna lynch. Lazer even looked super scummy to me for his case. But I had missed your case and frankly now I'm not so sure where I stand on Sylencia.
Here's my problem with Sylencia. Sylencia seems to be lynchbait - has been mislynched repeatedly for (I think) similar reasons you cite. Why guaranteed red flip to you?
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On April 04 2013 01:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm back. Did I miss anything BESIDES Hopeless trying to kill himself?
I made case to Lynch the third scum kenpachi?
So not really.
Are you going to be here until Lynch/Hammer?
if so and you unvote, Hopeless Then I will vote him. Id like nap...
and has he has pointed out if I put him at L-1 he could self hammer...?
and i am way to tired to guess if he might or what that would mean.
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Yes I can do that.
##Unvote
It would mean nothing other than he's done playing this game.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
He plays very defensively. Talks a lot about what he does and why he does it, even when talking about his scumreads. The "look, I am doing this and that cause of this and that" type of thing.
I think townies are less self-centered, sylencia seems to be very concerned about his own image. His disinterest in lashing out at scumreads is another point that confirms that. Wants to lynch hopeless without interacting with him, ever, and says in advance that I still look bad if hopeless flips town, which is a strange thing to say. He already reevaluates the read on me before a flip that would give information, that sounds to me like he wants to push me no matter what.
I don't know if he's lynch bait, but I do not think that should be a barrier to lynch people who look scummy.
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On April 04 2013 02:09 Ghor wrote:
He plays very defensively. Talks a lot about what he does and why he does it, even when talking about his scumreads. The "look, I am doing this and that cause of this and that" type of thing.
I think townies are less self-centered, sylencia seems to be very concerned about his own image. His disinterest in lashing out at scumreads is another point that confirms that. Wants to lynch hopeless without interacting with him, ever, and says in advance that I still look bad if hopeless flips town, which is a strange thing to say. He already reevaluates the read on me before a flip that would give information, that sounds to me like he wants to push me no matter what.
I don't know if he's lynch bait, but I do not think that should be a barrier to lynch people who look scummy.
This is fair, I just don't see the scummy as clearly as you do. Concerned about his image...do you have examples or are you referring to how he responds to people who mention him negatively?
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Okay looking back, I have no idea who Syl thinks is scum outside of Ghor, and his actions regarding Cheese are confusing - he seemed to have Cheese as scum, but never mentioned him again until called out - at which point he's really wishywashy about how he even feels about Cheese (Hey I didn't say he's town!)
And because he like refuses to vote, I'm not even sure who his primary candidate is (though I can assume it's Ghor.)
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On April 04 2013 02:00 VisceraEyes wrote:Yeah I did miss that. I looked at Sylencia yesterday and decided I don't wanna lynch. Lazer even looked super scummy to me for his case. But I had missed your case and frankly now I'm not so sure where I stand on Sylencia. Here's my problem with Sylencia. Sylencia seems to be lynchbait - has been mislynched repeatedly for (I think) similar reasons you cite. Why guaranteed red flip to you?
The meta is an issue.
earlier ones are newbs, and they seem to feel different for all the players I read meta for.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397553&user=290656 Themed
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360&user=290656 Aint big enough
I chose this post as possible bound (under the right conditions?)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17885917
I have no idea why, but I think I start analysing Syl with positive cognitive bias.
logically however....
Why Syls current position, is not present in the thread and no vote on anyone?
D1 is drawing to close ....
and no effort to even arrange a way for the times when Syl can be in the thread to get a vote down...
There was time last night when Syl voting Hopeless would have been the hammer?
but still to say nothing?
Syl: could have said "hey guys, id like to vote to minimise the chance of a no lynch but not make the hammer happen now, would someone make some space so I can vote then go to bed?"
Syl: has policy of not leaving votes around carelessly in instant majority... seems little more in practice like just not voting.
but basically... logically... I just cant see how townie.Syl could ride out D1 without a vote down...
I also cant see why scum.Syl wouldn't have found a place to park a vote?
So as I said.
I have no idea why, but I think I start analysing Syl with positive cognitive bias.
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In this setup scum don't HAVE to vote if they don't want to, as the lynches aren't plurality and hammers can occur with only a majority voting. Factor that in.
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## Unvote Kenpachi
## Vote Hopeless1der
Hopeless1Der should now be at L-2.
going for a zzzz. Should be back...
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Who Syl, said Syl will vote (but didnt?): most recent statement i remember.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18187555
On April 03 2013 18:08 Sylencia wrote:
Now Ghor has suddenly done a 180 on risk saying he's town based on activity (...) and chooses to jump ship to Hopeless.
So pretty much, I'm willing to hammer Hopeless here, but if it's town I still see this as looking horrible on Ghor. Not that he wasn't looking horrible to me anyways.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
I've actually started to doubt hopeless is scum when I saw that quote from syl, and also when he martyred right after Axle announced he would move vote to L-1. Maybe those aren't the best reasons, but there are better reasons to vote for syl in my opinion.
I also think I'll pull back my townread from risk, it was a rash decision cause I couldn't choose between risk and hopeless at that moment, and I don't see them being scum together, especially since I'm sure syl is scum.
I'm back to risk or sylencia for the moment. Those are my two candidates I want to hammer. I should be back shortly before deadline, if my vote will be needed on risk, else it's on syl anyway. If not, it looks like hopeless is the preferred hammer candidate by most of town currently.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
I would also like to add that I'm aware of risk's lurky scum meta. But this is a mini and scum is required to be active, and risk has been forced to do so early (thus committing himself to keep up to that), so I will not put too much credit into his activity like he wants people to. I'm not too happy about his mono-scumread and null-everything-else.
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IAMBIG COUNT
risk.nuke ( 0): Mr. Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, RebirthOfLeGenD, Hopeless1der
VisceraEyes ( 0 ): RebirthOfLeGenD
Sylencia ( 2 ): AxleGreaser, Ghor, Lazermonkey, Ghor,
Mr. Cheesecake ( 1 ): Sylencia, RebirthOfLeGenD
Ghor ( 0 ): Hopeless1der , Hopeless1der
Hopeless1der ( 3 ): VisceraEyes, risk.nuke, Mr. Cheesecake, Ghor, Hopeless1der, AxleGreaser
Not Voting ( 3 ): Sylencia, Hopeless1der, VisceraEyes
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. This is instant majority lynch. If you see a mistake please notify us.
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I am back! Ghor, we are you not speaking russian anymore? You were hillarious bro!
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On April 04 2013 00:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Why the hell are you defending Hopeless so hard, Lazer? Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 18:14 Lazermonkey wrote:Hopeless is a decent lynch at most. But while that is the case, my last 2 games I played town with town Hopeless. Both games ended up with hopeless misslynched or vigi killed. Hopeless were making several basic errors in those games as well. These games were: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946 (mafia LVIII) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955 (dessert mini) To be fair, I don't see a clear diference between Hopeless play in those games and this game. This obviously doesn't make Hopless town but I really don't see how you are voting him over Sylencia at this point. And reading the thread doesn't exactly help me... Axle: I have no idea why you think hopeless is scum. Risk: You reasons for voting Hopeless is partly meta and partly the fact that he isn't scum hunting. The meta part I disagree with and the scum hunting part is something that Sylencia does far worse at. Also, why do you continously avoid taking a stance on Sylencia despite promising to do so? CC: You are voting hopeless for poor logic but guess what? That isn't alignment indicative. VE and Ghor I think have decent reasons to be on him atm. The reason I didn't say anything about this earlier is because I wanted Hopeless to defend himself rather than me do it for him, but since we are one vote away from killing him atm, my strategy has indeed failed. It's funny you mention my and VE's vote for Hopeless. We are voting him for the exact same reasons. We pushed him at the same time. I have no idea why you like VE's reasons better, because they are the same. You think Hopeless is a 'decent lynch' but hard-defend the guy. In order for him to be a decent lynch you must have some sort of scum read on him --- and then proceed to contradict yourself by calling him town via meta. Then you say it's not even concrete evidence... What the heck is your stance on Hopeless? You seem nervous about him flipping. VE also mentioned how he lied about having his vote on Ghor, something that I find a far better reason to vote him than poor logic.
I'm not saying Hopeless is town or scum, I think this is quite clear in my post. He does indeed play scummy and isn't really helping town alot. Hence he is an okay lynch. But he plays similar to this in his town games, which makes it hard to determine if he is scum or not. This makes hopeless lynch a very risky lynch imo.
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how much time left until no lynch?
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On April 04 2013 04:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
how much time left until no lynch?
07:00 TL Time. You have ~2.5 hours remaining.
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Cc, can you specify why you find syl town?
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Syl isnt as scummy as Hopeless. The evidence against Syl boils down to his stance on me which can be explained by either alignment easily.
I just wish he would vote and take a stance. Other than that I don't think he's so scummy. I played a newbie with him and he was just the same as town; best mislynch eu. In fact, he seems like a really easy target to call scum.
Apologies, at work on phone illegally.
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Two hours untill lynch and noone here to talk? : (
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What happend with "lolol the case on Syl is terrible". Now you call him scum for that exact reason? Hypocrite much bro? Also if you think that is the only reason I'm voting him then you need to read the thread....
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Where did i call syl scum, you're delusional.
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I'm pseudo-around.
I'm coming around to the idea of a Sylencia lynch tbh. You wanna try and nudge me over the edge?
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On April 04 2013 05:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Where did i call syl scum, you're delusional. Mybad. You call him scummy. Still proves my point as you obviously think that my case has some merit.
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You're failing a reading comprehension terribly. I said that he's not so scummy, but he's easy to throw shit on.
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On April 04 2013 05:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Syl isnt as scummy as Hopeless. The evidence against Syl boils down to his stance on me which can be explained by either alignment easily.
I just wish he would vote and take a stance. Other than that I don't think he's so scummy. I played a newbie with him and he was just the same as town; best mislynch eu. In fact, he seems like a really easy target to call scum.
Apologies, at work on phone illegally. I take this as you think he looks scummy but Hopeless looks worse. Why would you otherwise phrase it like that...
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On April 04 2013 05:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm pseudo-around.
I'm coming around to the idea of a Sylencia lynch tbh. You wanna try and nudge me over the edge? Other than repeating what have already been said: I'd say Hopeless recent half-suicidal moves are something scum aren't very keen on doing normally.
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*Sigh* argue all the syntax and diction you want, its not productive. My point remains.
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On April 04 2013 05:25 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 05:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm pseudo-around.
I'm coming around to the idea of a Sylencia lynch tbh. You wanna try and nudge me over the edge? Other than repeating what have already been said: I'd say Hopeless recent half-suicidal moves are something scum aren't very keen on doing normally.
I don't understand this, why would scum do that normally?
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On April 04 2013 05:29 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 05:25 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 04 2013 05:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm pseudo-around.
I'm coming around to the idea of a Sylencia lynch tbh. You wanna try and nudge me over the edge? Other than repeating what have already been said: I'd say Hopeless recent half-suicidal moves are something scum aren't very keen on doing normally. I don't understand this, why would scum do that normally? o.O, did I phrase myself wrong?(maybe a result of noobenglish...). I do NOT think scum do that normally
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On April 04 2013 05:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
*Sigh* argue all the syntax and diction you want, its not productive. My point remains. Sooooooooo... Where do you stand on Syl then? Null?
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No I misread that.
Well he certainly didn't mean it, so that's completely null. He put the vote on and immediately took it off, so that's something town or scum could do.
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And you're not convincing me of lynching Sylencia by convincing me to NOT lynch Hopeless. Try again. Give me a reason to prefer Sylencia OVER Hopeless.
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Ghor, I'm glad you dropped the roleplay, even if it's just temporary it means you care enough for the lynch to stop rping and it says something about you. If hope is town I think it's very unlikely you're mafia and stopped rp'ing to prevent it. However if hope flips scum I'm going to have a real close look at you.
I don't want you to say I'm town because I'm not playing like my scum meta. I generally don't play like this as town either. I would however like you to get your head out of your arse and see that I am scumhunting and contributing and understand that that is town behavior and therefor I am a bad lynch for today.
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On April 04 2013 05:35 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 05:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
*Sigh* argue all the syntax and diction you want, its not productive. My point remains. Sooooooooo... Where do you stand on Syl then? Null?
Null, smidge scum cus he wont vote which is soup odd. Maybe 3rd 4th on the list and not the best lynch for today.
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I think syl's absence makes him look worse, however he has posts with thoughts I can follow and I liked that, there were other posts I didn't like such as how slow he was to take a stand on lynches and also where he ended up however I'm not sure that's necessarily scumplay as opposed to just bad town play.
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On April 04 2013 05:38 risk.nuke wrote:
Ghor, I'm glad you dropped the roleplay, even if it's just temporary it means you care enough for the lynch to stop rping and it says something about you. If hope is town I think it's very unlikely you're mafia and stopped rp'ing to prevent it. However if hope flips scum I'm going to have a real close look at you.
I don't want you to say I'm town because I'm not playing like my scum meta. I generally don't play like this as town either. I would however like you to get your head out of your arse and see that I am scumhunting and contributing and understand that that is town behavior and therefor I am a bad lynch for today.
Shut up. What do you think of Sylencia vs Hopeless lynch?
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On April 04 2013 05:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
And you're not convincing me of lynching Sylencia by convincing me to NOT lynch Hopeless. Try again. Give me a reason to prefer Sylencia OVER Hopeless. Well, its kinda down to Syl or Hopeless atm. But okay.
Sylencia has spent 0 amount of effort to hunt for scum. Sure, he calls some guys out for being scummy but doesn't follow it up at all. Why didn't he try to convince us CC was scum? Why doesn't he push Ghor who he is more confident in flipping scum? Why does he instead spend all his time defending himself dispite the fact that he wasn't really up for lynch untill very recently? All in all, I feel Hopeless haven't done the best job to scum hunt but he has at least put in some sort of effort compared to Sylencia.
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On April 04 2013 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 05:38 risk.nuke wrote:
Ghor, I'm glad you dropped the roleplay, even if it's just temporary it means you care enough for the lynch to stop rping and it says something about you. If hope is town I think it's very unlikely you're mafia and stopped rp'ing to prevent it. However if hope flips scum I'm going to have a real close look at you.
I don't want you to say I'm town because I'm not playing like my scum meta. I generally don't play like this as town either. I would however like you to get your head out of your arse and see that I am scumhunting and contributing and understand that that is town behavior and therefor I am a bad lynch for today. Shut up. What do you think of Sylencia vs Hopeless lynch?
lol... Where does it look like I stand?
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IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE REPEATEDLY REFUSED TO COMMENT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER REGARDING SYLENCIA RISK WILL YOU PLEASE DO SO FOR THE LOVE OF GOD?!
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I said I didn't want to lynch him, it's about the same time Ghor pulled his 180 on me.
I want to lynch Hope, I would rather lynch RoL before I lynch Syl but I will vote Syl to ensure a lynch.
That's what I think about lynching Syl. ARE YOU HAPPY?
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I'm curious to know what the things you dislike about Syl are. You say there are things. What are they?
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On April 04 2013 06:03 risk.nuke wrote:
I said I didn't want to lynch him, it's about the same time Ghor pulled his 180 on me.
I want to lynch Hope, I would rather lynch RoL before I lynch Syl but I will vote Syl to ensure a lynch.
That's what I think about lynching Syl. ARE YOU HAPPY?
This isn't majority lynch. If there are 4 votes on syl, would you hammer him to ensure a lynch even if you say you don't want to lynch him?
I would also like to correct you. I didn't say activity is a reason you're town, I said it's not a reason to think that. Lurking as scum in this active town is pretty dangerous, so you are forced to not play to your scum meta. Hence not alignment indicative, and you have been put under pressure early.
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Here friend I teach you to read too.
On April 04 2013 06:03 risk.nuke wrote:
I said I didn't want to lynch him, it's about the same time Ghor pulled his 180 on me.
I want to lynch Hope, I would rather lynch RoL before I lynch Syl but I will vote Syl to ensure a lynch.
That's what I think about lynching Syl. ARE YOU HAPPY?
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Ghor would you also like to take a stab at swaying me to Sylencia? I'm here and feeling maleable.
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I read that. But the point is, there is no need for risk to ensure a lynch on someone he doesn't believe to be scum since it only needs 5 people. I think that is fishy. I would not hammer you, VE, to "ensure a lynch", cause I don't think you are scum.
I read that as scared from risk. He doesn't think he's scum but he wouldn't not vote for him.
As for convincing you, I'll try to make a quick case. But I have low battery power so I might have to push it out incomplete.
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Case not necessary. Bullet points will suffice, reference thread events if you want.
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I'm asking to engage you on the matter, not simply list off reasons and me go "yep" or "nope" at the end.
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Ghor I wouldn't hammer VE either because VE is a townread. I would hammer a null-read rather then to see a no-lynch. Can you not see the difference in that?
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Ew why do you people keep calling me a townread. Jesus it's like saluting officers on the field in battle, do you WANT me to die?
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but you're so townie, VE.
in the interest of self preservation: ##Vote: Sylencia
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On April 04 2013 06:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm curious to know what the things you dislike about Syl are. You say there are things. What are they?
Mainly his reluctance to take a stand about the lynch and his relationship with Ghor. He's pretty much the only one he's taken a stance on and it in a way looks like tunneling hidden behind a claimed general dislike for Ghors writing. However I'm also not sure if a scum Syl would tunnel a person so blatantly poorly while being passive about voting him. If he was scum he should have had a teammate to tell him he's playing awefully and give him some advice.
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HOST COUNT
risk.nuke ( 0): Mr. Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, RebirthOfLeGenD, Hopeless1der
VisceraEyes ( 0 ): RebirthOfLeGenD
Sylencia ( 3 ): AxleGreaser, Ghor, Lazermonkey, Ghor, Hopeless1der
Mr. Cheesecake ( 1 ): Sylencia, RebirthOfLeGenD
Ghor ( 0 ): Hopeless1der , Hopeless1der
Hopeless1der ( 3 ): VisceraEyes, risk.nuke, Mr. Cheesecake, Ghor, Hopeless1der, AxleGreaser
Not Voting ( 3 ): Sylencia, VisceraEyes
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. This is instant majority lynch. If you see a mistake please notify us.
~25 minutes until no-lynch.
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But don't you think that the teammate argument is stepping too far out of the context of the game? Like, the same could be argued about any scum that make mistakes no? So scum never make mistakes because scum always have teammates to correct them?
He has also stated interest in hammering Hopeless, and it seemed to come out of left field. What do you think of that?
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Same place RoL always is. Where he wants to be. Clearly that's not here. Sucks to be us.
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I'm at work hiding my phone under the table... this is exciting! Is there no convincing you guys of a hopeless lynch instead?
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Well that sucks. I'm willing to swap over to Hopeless if we need to. No lynch is worst lynch...
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On April 04 2013 06:38 Lazermonkey wrote:
Where is RoL -.-...
While he's gone Lazer, how about you tell me what you think of his case on Cheese? He seemed pretty sure that Cheese should be the lynch, and if he's gone for the lynch he'll undoubtedly be furious that we didn't jump onboard. If you're so interested in what RoL has to say, why not comment on what he's said?
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On April 04 2013 06:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'm at work hiding my phone under the table... this is exciting! Is there no convincing you guys of a hopeless lynch instead?
stop that plox, im not scum. come lynch sylencia with the cool kids.
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Unfortunately Hopeless it doesnt work that way... but omfg i want a flip.
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On April 04 2013 06:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'm at work hiding my phone under the table... this is exciting! Is there no convincing you guys of a hopeless lynch instead?
I'm on fence Cheese, do what you gotta do to convince me sir. I'm giving everyone a chance to pipe up. I'm even listening to arguments for lynching you! ^^
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On April 04 2013 06:41 VisceraEyes wrote:While he's gone Lazer, how about you tell me what you think of his case on Cheese? He seemed pretty sure that Cheese should be the lynch, and if he's gone for the lynch he'll undoubtedly be furious that we didn't jump onboard. If you're so interested in what RoL has to say, why not comment on what he's said? To be fair, I didn't analyze the case on CC very much as he was not a realistic lynch by that time. I do however, have a some bad vibes about CC because of his wierdo flip flop on Syl...
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Somewhat chronologically:
- In the big read post sylencia shows something I would call self-centeredness, and not working towards achieving established goals.
Take for example my trolling. Sylencia talks lengthy about the justification for disappreciating it, mentions an example from an earlier game, but he says I'm a wildcard. From my point of view, this is absolutely not true. While I formulated my posts in weird manner, my intentions and opinions always shined through them, and most agree on this.
Then he mentions "flaws" in risk's play, but he does not attribute any interpretation to them. He only describes them, with no conclusion, moving into "but I feel that the votes are early"-defense, and saying he disappreciated CC's vote the most. That is no conclusion or comment on risk's play, that is only a description of people's reactions to risk.
My battery is running out so I will summarize the rest of the post like this:
It's summarizing, shows no clear direction. Not the engagement of a townie in pursuing his reads, but a huge "look, I'm making reads post, leave me alone. His vote on CC feels like a policy vote on a guy who pressure voted risk.
- When I call him out for not commenting on risk's play or alignment, he says this:
Ghor, since it's looking more trollish by the second, you could probably drop the third person at least or I'm not really going to be able to read your posts seriously enough. I don't even follow what you mean regarding what I said about risk + CC. As for why I haven't said if I thought risk's actions were scummy or not, that's because it's not exactly clear which way it goes. On one hand, you can say it's scummy because he says it was just looking for reactions but it looks more like no one followed what he was alluding to so he gave it up, but on the other hand it's hard to say he'd give it up so quickly and deny it as soon as he is questioned about it if he was scum because it's a lot more legit if you follow through with the case. Instead, he retracted it and it left him looking weak but that doesn't mean he's town. Happy?
Start with telling me how to write (but he seems to understand it pretty well). He first says an argument for risk being scummy, then mentions the same argument risk used, but ends up saying, that doesn't mean he's town. Well, why mention it then if it's the argument that's meant to say that he's not scum, to head over and say it doesn't mean it's town?
- Next he says this:
And at this point, no, he's played enough games where I don't see him making himself look suspicious 3 hours into the game. The case on him has its merits however I would rather first see more from the two I've heard least from today (Hopeless and CC) - moreso Hopeless because there's ever so slightly more from CC.
Ghor - now that I've said it what are your thoughts on risk then? Would you say he is scum or not? Would you end up backing a vote on him if the time came for it?
The defense "scum do not look suspicious, so risk is not scum". Then he asks me what I think of risk (along with hopeless) and I point out my earlier posts where I already said it.
- When his scumreads hopeless and CC were around, sylencia wasn't there to milk information from them. He did attack me though.
- Sylencia was basically first to say that it's scummy to push for him with risk as scumread, when I also laid that out in the post where I talk about risk.
- Next point is: Except for his big, diluted read post, sylencia hardly writes about his reads on his own, but replies to a lot of people. He doesn't try to push the thread into a direction or let himself be heard. His posts are all: "I do this cause that and I stand here cause that, I would lynch this guy and this guy.
He says I'm scum, but never made a case,only complained about me trolling.
He says he would lynch CC, but never interacted with CC or made his change of read public before retreating from his lynch.
He says he would lynch hopeless, but didn't interact with him or push for his lynch.
- High tendency to justify himself, summarizing posts, reactive, not active play. No spontaneous lashing out at and questioning of his scumreads.
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You could lynch me, that would be epic fail.
This fucking sucks its like a coin flip ATM.
But V.E you of all people should realize hopelesses scummy actions like that clarity post... i cant get it out if my head grrrrr.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
Also, regarding the first point of self-centeredness and working towards goals: Talking a lot about why you find something scummy and say someone is a wildcard, and applying similar stuff to a lot of other people like axle is not a way to get them to play the way you want, that post is a way to say you would vote for lots of people for many different reasons, but don't seem to want to influence them to make themselves readable, as proven by later play.
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Guys, its time to consolidate...
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Ghor I like that case better than anything lazer is spewing.
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Admittedly I'm not really too fond of the teammate argument, it's hypothetical and my point of origin is that any scumteammate would react like I would. I disagree that it could be used on any mistake. It can't undo past mistakes while it could be used to correct a playstyle.
I'm not his opinion on hope is indicative either. Could be scummy, could also just be town sheeping.
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Okey so consolidate on who. I'd hate to put it on you but VE I think your word will carry final weight.
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Okay Ghor, you passed the first trial. You've inspired me to go look at previous games of his.
While I'm gone consider the following points:- Sylencia is lynched often and early for his default playstyle
- Sylencia is a favorite among scumteams for pushing mislynches (my subjective opinion, I've seen it done personally)
- Sylencia is often a lurky player regardless of alignment
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Wait 6 minutes is that accurate?
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:ynch someone god dam it....
##unvote
##vote Sylencia
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yes, it is accurate VE. Also, I think your points apply to me as well.
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I have not liked Syl for the lynch quite the most the voting stuff has been shit though and unjustifiable.
Still having both tomorrow is just DAFT
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##unvote
##vote: sylencia
God.
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Hammer has fallen! No more talking until the next Daypost!
Please PM all night-actions to the host. Day will start on a random time delay after all actions are received.
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Guys literally just woke up someone give me tldr on what's happening?
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HOST COUNT
risk.nuke ( 0): Mr. Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, RebirthOfLeGenD, Hopeless1der
VisceraEyes ( 0 ): RebirthOfLeGenD
Sylencia ( 5 ): AxleGreaser, Ghor, Lazermonkey, Ghor, Hopeless1der, AxleGreaser, VisceraEyes
Mr. Cheesecake ( 1 ): Sylencia, RebirthOfLeGenD
Ghor ( 0 ): Hopeless1der , Hopeless1der
Hopeless1der ( 2 ): VisceraEyes, risk.nuke, Mr. Cheesecake, Ghor, Hopeless1der, AxleGreaser
Not Voting ( 1 ): Sylencia
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Sylencia has been lynched.
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such a tease
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Twilight:
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Sylencia...
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...has died!
Day will begin once I receive all night-actions, with a random time-delay to protect identities.
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Day 2:
![[image loading]](http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4023/4559449266_e3174e6f60_z.jpg)
Flavor will be added retroactively.
AxleGreaser has died!
Day 2 start. This day will end when someone is lynched.
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Good morning.
##vote hopeless1der
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Lazermonkey, what do you think about other people?
Other people, what do you think about lazermonkey?
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##Vote: risk.nuke
His play has been to spam down anything that suggests he's scum. He claims to be one of the more active players, but my filter is just about as long as his. Instead of trying to push my lynch at deadline, he sits on his hands and refers to VE as the decision maker. Attempts to voteswitch last minute with the only reason being consolidation. No scumread on sylencia, but he's willing to let me slide for a day? Me voting sylencia makes sense as it was self preservation. Risk voting sylencia right at the last minute makes sense to avoid a no-lynch, but he didn't even try to push for my lynch and refuses to substantiate how "this isn't town Hopeless".
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On April 04 2013 22:51 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Vote: risk.nuke
His play has been to spam down anything that suggests he's scum. He claims to be one of the more active players, but my filter is just about as long as his. Instead of trying to push my lynch at deadline, he sits on his hands and refers to VE as the decision maker. Attempts to voteswitch last minute with the only reason being consolidation. No scumread on sylencia, but he's willing to let me slide for a day? Me voting sylencia makes sense as it was self preservation. Risk voting sylencia right at the last minute makes sense to avoid a no-lynch, but he didn't even try to push for my lynch and refuses to substantiate how "this isn't town Hopeless".
This is hands down the dumbest thing I've read this week.
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Hey sorry, I will be much more active after 8pm today. I have 4 days off from work in a row. I got home last night with the intention of posting but we were in twilight until I went to sleep
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Hopeless
Are you still convinced of a Risk / Ghor scumteam?
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Could you please explain how that makes sense to you?
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I'm having concerns about RoL atm. His whole game thus far has been very lurky and can be summerized by:
1. Fucking with VE. I don't think there was anything productive with his vote at all.
2. Voting risk.
3. Case on CC.
4. -
I'm cool with RoL beeing busy and what not but why the fuck does he post a case on CC and ignore everything else that was in the thread at that time? What happend with his scum read on Risk? He doesn't even mention Sylencia nor Hopeless once. Posting a case is cool and stuff but if the person your case on is relatively active, doesn't have alot of suspicioun on him etc then you cannot realisticly excpect to get that person lynched.
I'm having a few concerns with Hopeless and CC as well but for now
##Vote: RoL
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Hopeless, why does any of the stuff you mention make risk scum? Do you actually think that it would've been better for us to have had a no lynch?
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Lazer, can you give me some original thoughts on someone besides RoL?
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Interesting you say that Hopeless. Conversely, I think Ghor is scum.
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On April 05 2013 04:17 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hopeless, why does any of the stuff you mention make risk scum? Do you actually think that it would've been better for us to have had a no lynch?
Thats not even close to what I said.
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On April 05 2013 04:25 risk.nuke wrote:
Lazer, can you give me some original thoughts on someone besides RoL? I think its alarming that Hopeless two biggest scum reads are my biggest town reads atm ( Ghor and you).
CC is spending far to much time casting insults at everyone. Its quite demoralizing and we need none of that.
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Ghor, sup buddy?
+ Show Spoiler +Ghor's been focusing on 3 main people this game. Initially, Risk, who was the easiest target from D1. Then Syl. And Hopeless to a certain extent. Look how the Syl and Hopeless scumreads developed... On April 02 2013 23:11 Ghor wrote:Ghor not like sylencia last two post, he lie about me. Ghor contribute, ghor say what he think, what he like, what he not like, who capitalist are.what risk do wrong and why not hammer too quick.but sylencia play like capitalist swine, he talk about me wildcard cause ghor sound like foreign, but say i scummy for things not true. but that not only reason.it sound like omgus, bad. ghor had eye on sylencia early, ghor ask axle about people like sylencia who say privjet and go away. what make ghor suspicious in late posts is: Sylencia spend more time talking about everyone except main scumread.ghor suspect sylencia try park easy vote on cheesecake. ghor sees no reason to mention everyone else but not try convince others that cc scum. sylencia also describe lot of things, but not give interpretationi. too much description, not enough opinion. look scummy. only alignment-opinion in big post are cc and ve. he say risk make strange things, but no say what he think of it. he only say votes on risk too early, and say scum hammer him quickly cause of CC, but if sylencia think CC scum, then why fear his vote will help scum? sylencia say risk do odd thing, no say if scummy or not, sylencia fear risk getting hammered quickly -> sylencia think risk town. wishwash here, scummy part. Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 18:53 Sylencia wrote:
Axle, you're just casually throwing a vote for me when you know when I post? Alright..
My thoughts so far:
- Ghor: Whether this is serious or not, language barriers are going to end up hurting us pretty bad if we don't get usefulness from him soon. Going back to my previous games, I had a Peruvian in the game who was scum (with me) and nothing he did could be interpreted since we weren't sure if it was ocmpletely understood or if he was just doing his own thing. I personally don't like having such a wildcard in the game. His 2 posts so far have shown he hasn't really provided any thought to what has been said and he's keeping the most trivial things secret.
risk
- risk: As noted by others, there've been a few flaws in what he's said, the primary one being the Kenpachi trap statement, with 0 followup and a backtrack of what was implied. I do feel though that the early votes are... a bit early. The vote I dislike the most being CC's vote which is an example of why I don't enjoy throwing around votes on Instant Majority. It'd be too easy to have scum hammer down with few words said.
- Cheesecake: This filter looks atrocious in my eyes, casting an early vote with little thought, yet providing no substance while he's around. Not sure if trolling around is his meta but seems pretty scum from here.
- Axle: As usual, I'm honestly not sure what is being said that often from you.
- Rebirth: Main thing I don't like is the super early 'precaution' vote on VE, it's almost like baiting him into flaming you back hard so you could nail him for it. Doesn't seem like anythign came from it though but still strikes me as odd as to the reasoning behind it.
Q: Is there actually such a thing as the Kenpachi Rule? RoL says he hasn't heard of it, I haven't been around long enough to hear about it at all, and so this oculd be a major point RoL has made if no one has seen this apparent rule in action.
-VE: So far from what I've read, there are solid arguments and reasoning coming from VE with regards to risk, and as far as I can see so far, he's looking the most townie. This can obviously change with flips etc. but so far, he's the one I've got greatest town read on.
I'm pretty much null on the other 2.. As for my vote, I'm wanting to wait for risk to see what he says but I find CC's vote to be just too casual and without providing anything else after just doesn't seem right to me.
##Vote Mr. Cheesecake risk Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 22:52 Sylencia wrote:Axle: I post at 9-10am because that's when I arrive at work, and I have a bit of time to check. I only post then on after 7ish because that's when I get home. As for Kenpachi rule, probably should've googled it but dinner called On April 02 2013 20:21 risk.nuke wrote:
Glad you're capable of discussing anything at all without me.
Cheesecakes early vote on me was a pressure-vote. It was completely fine, What's weird and not fine is he doesn't follow it up or does anything when the person he pressure-voted gains additional votes.
People are asking me about the Kenpachi rule, I actually thought more people knew about it. Ghor, It was discussed in a post game I played one or two years ago, I don't think there were statistics but I remember people praised it's accuracy (before it got outed) Either way I know the post detailing the kenpachi rule was edited out because I tried to find it once.
I'll talk about Hapa after breakfast. Pressure votes work better if you're going to be around to take them off, otherwise it could end up being manslaughter in this game :\ Lazer: There's a difference in timing in that I come in before there's the first fight between VE and nuke (well, I guess I was around to catch the very start of it), meanwhile Hopeless comes in afterwards and ignores everything that went on beforehand only to comment on Ghor instead. this last post ghor also find scummy, only description, no opinion about lazer. look like sylencia feel forced to give pseudo opinion about people he asked about. Sylencia finds Ghor to be a wildcard and scummy. Ghor essentially says in the bolded is, "Sylencia lied about me. I contribute. I do townie things. Sylencia lie." He says that Syl was focusing on other people than his main scumread (me?). Syl was focusing on Ghor being scum in that post, not myself. Why is Syl focusing on Ghor instead of me scummy? It's not ---> Ghor is nervous about something. He then proceeds to tunnel Sylencia the entire day based on this fact. On April 03 2013 01:56 Ghor wrote:
ghor think hopeless braindead if he thinks ghor teammate with risk. ghor pointed out fallacies with risk early, try get proper opinion on him from sylencia.
All reasoning laid out, hopeless not absorb it.
Hopeless, question:
Ghor saw the scumslip you pointed out that was none.Ghor answered to your assessment, what do you deduce from it?
(Ghor deduces it another example of hopeless amazing reading comprehension) Ghor now has a scumread on Hopeless. He thinks Risk / Ghor scumteam, huh? Wrong! I pointed out all of these fallacies. His scumread on Hopeless seems to be based on the fact that Hopeless is an idiot rather than scum. What's really interesting is that Ghor never budges his Syl case and rides it to majority. On April 03 2013 11:04 Ghor wrote:Ghor in conflict, ghor not sure what make of risk. ghor also like hopeless and sylencia as lynch choices. Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 07:01 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 06:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hopeless who even said anything about you saving Sylencia? What are you talking about? What do you believe my motive to be? Trying to put myself in your shoes, I'd suspect (Scum-Hopeless) of being disruptive and/or trying to save (Scum-Sylencia). by the way, inherent in reading two people as scum is everyone else is town. ghor wonders, why you say you saving scum sylencia (cause you probably want to imply your motive is not being disruptive). ghor very curious why say scum sylencia. not simply sylencia, or town sylencia. Keeps Risk and Hopeless as an option but still never considers them seriously. On April 03 2013 20:49 Ghor wrote:ghor want kill sylencia very much, ghor think he look more scummy with each post. Show nested quote +So pretty much, I'm willing to hammer Hopeless here, but if it's town I still see this as looking horrible on Ghor. Not that he wasn't looking horrible to me anyways. this look terrible terrible from sylencia. ghor facepalm, this more than just connection read, this connection justification for later bad push against ghor. whole play look terrible. ghor not need make case, sylencia filter is case. but ghor maybe try to make good case later, if town not convinced.
##Unvote
##Vote Sylencia Ghors mind: Shit, he's going to hammer Hopeless and I'll look terrible. He also thinks I look terrible anyway. BETTER RIDE THIS SYL LYNCH HOME BABY!
Summary:
- Ghor initially thinks Syl is scum because he lied about him, and said a bunch of mean things. Syl was pressuring Ghor, and Ghor no like this.
- Ghor thinks Hopeless could be scum because he is 'braindead' and thinks Ghor is scum with risk. Only has this read after VE and myself call him out.
- For someone who called Syl "Too self-centered", he seems to be very careful about his image and quick to retaliate; people who are suspect of him are his top scumreads.
##Vote: Ghor
I don't think Risk is scum with Ghor, for the record.
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On April 05 2013 04:32 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 04:25 risk.nuke wrote:
Lazer, can you give me some original thoughts on someone besides RoL? I think its alarming that Hopeless two biggest scum reads are my biggest town reads atm ( Ghor and you). CC is spending far to much time casting insults at everyone. Its quite demoralizing and we need none of that.
Lol.
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On April 05 2013 04:27 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 04:17 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hopeless, why does any of the stuff you mention make risk scum? Do you actually think that it would've been better for us to have had a no lynch? Thats not even close to what I said. On April 04 2013 22:51 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Vote: risk.nuke
His play has been to spam down anything that suggests he's scum. He claims to be one of the more active players, but my filter is just about as long as his. Instead of trying to push my lynch at deadline, he sits on his hands and refers to VE as the decision maker. Attempts to voteswitch last minute with the only reason being consolidation. No scumread on sylencia, but he's willing to let me slide for a day? Me voting sylencia makes sense as it was self preservation. Risk voting sylencia right at the last minute makes sense to avoid a no-lynch, but he didn't even try to push for my lynch and refuses to substantiate how "this isn't town Hopeless". Quite close I'd argue...
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No where do I suggest that a No-Lynch is a good idea. The apathy with which he was willing to vote Sylencia is my problem
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Russian Federation140 Posts
Got really sad when I saw Sylencia's flip. Didn't expect him to flip town at all .
I'm still not sure what to make of the risk vs hopeless situation, and I'll be busy very soon until tomorrow. I would like to advise to go through a few things (will do that myself once I have time, but I think it's where we have to look at).
Still, quick rundown:
Check everybody's scumreads before the lynch, especially for weak pushes or even absence (considered RoL's absence to be scummy, but he gave an excuse and promised activity for 4 days which seems rather townie).
In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case there (whereas hopeless said it was for self-preservation, will have to check if CC and hopeless gave out a sylencia read at all).
I'll have to scrutiny CC some more in general cause I didn't really pay enough attention to him since the risk pressure thing, and I don't know why he thinks I'm scum. I would like to hear reasons for that.
With that, I'll contribute more when I'm back and have more time. Good hunting.
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On April 05 2013 04:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
No where do I suggest that a No-Lynch is a good idea. The apathy with which he was willing to vote Sylencia is my problem The alternative for him would be a No-lynch. I was on the verge of voting you at that time as no lynch is really fucking terrible, does it make me scum?
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On April 05 2013 04:44 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 04:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
No where do I suggest that a No-Lynch is a good idea. The apathy with which he was willing to vote Sylencia is my problem The alternative for him would be a No-lynch. I was on the verge of voting you at that time as no lynch is really fucking terrible, does it make me scum?
No, because you werent advocating my lynch all day with arguments such as
On April 03 2013 03:17 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm feeling confident hopeless is scum, I haven't gone over Sylencia yet.
I don't have time now but I'll get back to you on him later.
On April 03 2013 14:27 risk.nuke wrote:
We're not lynching anyone other then hopeless. RoL you got to be joking if you think that we're going to lynch cheesecake first. While I agree with your posts and I had some thoughts in simmilar direction last night. It's still a weaker case then on hopeless. I don't like how you haven't talked about me since your vote and I would like you to comment further on me and hopeless.
Hopeless is obvious scum and has pretty much given up by now. This is not how he plays as town.
And Ghor's post are not hard to read. If you disregard the fact that he speaks in third person and often don't use capital letters they're actually very simple to read and even efficiently phrased.
Sylencia. Who do you want to kill?
On April 04 2013 05:50 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 04 2013 05:38 risk.nuke wrote:
Ghor, I'm glad you dropped the roleplay, even if it's just temporary it means you care enough for the lynch to stop rping and it says something about you. If hope is town I think it's very unlikely you're mafia and stopped rp'ing to prevent it. However if hope flips scum I'm going to have a real close look at you.
I don't want you to say I'm town because I'm not playing like my scum meta. I generally don't play like this as town either. I would however like you to get your head out of your arse and see that I am scumhunting and contributing and understand that that is town behavior and therefor I am a bad lynch for today. Shut up. What do you think of Sylencia vs Hopeless lynch? lol... Where does it look like I stand?
risk doesn't give a shit who got lynched, as long as it wasnt him.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
Oh ninjad by CC.
Well I will only say one thing right now:
My reads were based on more than just calling people braindead (and you'll have to prove your points by quoting my posts. Hint: You probably can't). And you say I only OMGUS people, but risk actually didn't say I'm scum.
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On April 05 2013 04:43 Ghor wrote:Got really sad when I saw Sylencia's flip. Didn't expect him to flip town at all . I'm still not sure what to make of the risk vs hopeless situation, and I'll be busy very soon until tomorrow. I would like to advise to go through a few things (will do that myself once I have time, but I think it's where we have to look at). Still, quick rundown: Check everybody's scumreads before the lynch, especially for weak pushes or even absence (considered RoL's absence to be scummy, but he gave an excuse and promised activity for 4 days which seems rather townie). In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case there (whereas hopeless said it was for self-preservation, will have to check if CC and hopeless gave out a sylencia read at all).I'll have to scrutiny CC some more in general cause I didn't really pay enough attention to him since the risk pressure thing, and I don't know why he thinks I'm scum. I would like to hear reasons for that. With that, I'll contribute more when I'm back and have more time. Good hunting.
Are you serious right now Ghor? Lul.
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On April 05 2013 04:48 Ghor wrote:
Oh ninjad by CC.
Well I will only say one thing right now:
My reads were based on more than just calling people braindead (and you'll have to prove your points by quoting my posts. Hint: You probably can't). And you say I only OMGUS people, but risk actually didn't say I'm scum.
Your scumreads on Hopeless and Syl were based on the fact that they pressured and / or didn't like you.
Risk was just a side project.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
EBWOP: You actually did quote some shit in the spoilers. But gotta go now.
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On April 05 2013 04:48 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 04:44 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 05 2013 04:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
No where do I suggest that a No-Lynch is a good idea. The apathy with which he was willing to vote Sylencia is my problem The alternative for him would be a No-lynch. I was on the verge of voting you at that time as no lynch is really fucking terrible, does it make me scum? No, because you werent advocating my lynch all day with arguments such as Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 03:17 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm feeling confident hopeless is scum, I haven't gone over Sylencia yet.
I don't have time now but I'll get back to you on him later. Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 14:27 risk.nuke wrote:
We're not lynching anyone other then hopeless. RoL you got to be joking if you think that we're going to lynch cheesecake first. While I agree with your posts and I had some thoughts in simmilar direction last night. It's still a weaker case then on hopeless. I don't like how you haven't talked about me since your vote and I would like you to comment further on me and hopeless.
Hopeless is obvious scum and has pretty much given up by now. This is not how he plays as town.
And Ghor's post are not hard to read. If you disregard the fact that he speaks in third person and often don't use capital letters they're actually very simple to read and even efficiently phrased.
Sylencia. Who do you want to kill? Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 05:50 risk.nuke wrote:On April 04 2013 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 04 2013 05:38 risk.nuke wrote:
Ghor, I'm glad you dropped the roleplay, even if it's just temporary it means you care enough for the lynch to stop rping and it says something about you. If hope is town I think it's very unlikely you're mafia and stopped rp'ing to prevent it. However if hope flips scum I'm going to have a real close look at you.
I don't want you to say I'm town because I'm not playing like my scum meta. I generally don't play like this as town either. I would however like you to get your head out of your arse and see that I am scumhunting and contributing and understand that that is town behavior and therefor I am a bad lynch for today. Shut up. What do you think of Sylencia vs Hopeless lynch? lol... Where does it look like I stand? risk doesn't give a shit who got lynched, as long as it wasnt him. What?! I was doing the EXACT same thing as risk was doing ( except the other way around). I pushed Sylencia the whole day, defended you and STILL was willing to vote you. So, please explain how Risks actions only makes him scum...
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@ Lazer
How the fudge can you have a town read on Ghor? He just tried to condemn 3 people for sheeping his own Syl case.
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On April 05 2013 05:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@ Lazer
How the fudge can you have a town read on Ghor? He just tried to condemn 3 people for sheeping his own Syl case. I think that is perfectly resonable given that you sheeped your scum read -.-
Ghor has been one of the most productive players this game, with easy to follow logic. His reasoning makes alot of sense and is very similar to mine, which I think shows of a townie mindset.
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On April 05 2013 04:55 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 04:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 05 2013 04:44 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 05 2013 04:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
No where do I suggest that a No-Lynch is a good idea. The apathy with which he was willing to vote Sylencia is my problem The alternative for him would be a No-lynch. I was on the verge of voting you at that time as no lynch is really fucking terrible, does it make me scum? No, because you werent advocating my lynch all day with arguments such as On April 03 2013 03:17 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm feeling confident hopeless is scum, I haven't gone over Sylencia yet.
I don't have time now but I'll get back to you on him later. On April 03 2013 14:27 risk.nuke wrote:
We're not lynching anyone other then hopeless. RoL you got to be joking if you think that we're going to lynch cheesecake first. While I agree with your posts and I had some thoughts in simmilar direction last night. It's still a weaker case then on hopeless. I don't like how you haven't talked about me since your vote and I would like you to comment further on me and hopeless.
Hopeless is obvious scum and has pretty much given up by now. This is not how he plays as town.
And Ghor's post are not hard to read. If you disregard the fact that he speaks in third person and often don't use capital letters they're actually very simple to read and even efficiently phrased.
Sylencia. Who do you want to kill? On April 04 2013 05:50 risk.nuke wrote:On April 04 2013 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 04 2013 05:38 risk.nuke wrote:
Ghor, I'm glad you dropped the roleplay, even if it's just temporary it means you care enough for the lynch to stop rping and it says something about you. If hope is town I think it's very unlikely you're mafia and stopped rp'ing to prevent it. However if hope flips scum I'm going to have a real close look at you.
I don't want you to say I'm town because I'm not playing like my scum meta. I generally don't play like this as town either. I would however like you to get your head out of your arse and see that I am scumhunting and contributing and understand that that is town behavior and therefor I am a bad lynch for today. Shut up. What do you think of Sylencia vs Hopeless lynch? lol... Where does it look like I stand? risk doesn't give a shit who got lynched, as long as it wasnt him. What?! I was doing the EXACT same thing as risk was doing ( except the other way around). I pushed Sylencia the whole day, defended you and STILL was willing to vote you. So, please explain how Risks actions only makes him scum...
risk didn't push me. You pushed sylencia. Do you not see a difference in the way you and risk have played, because I see one.
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On April 05 2013 05:07 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 05:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@ Lazer
How the fudge can you have a town read on Ghor? He just tried to condemn 3 people for sheeping his own Syl case. I think that is perfectly resonable given that you sheeped your scum read -.- Ghor has been one of the most productive players this game, with easy to follow logic. His reasoning makes alot of sense and is very similar to mine, which I think shows of a townie mindset.
Are you that stupid? Where pre-lynch was Ghor my scumread hmmm? I guess tunneling a townie with your buddy Ghor over there is much much better, and then blame it on the guys who actually wanted to lynch Hopeless because you were too stubborn to switch over.
Nice soft town claim btw.
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On April 05 2013 05:10 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 04:55 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 05 2013 04:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 05 2013 04:44 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 05 2013 04:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
No where do I suggest that a No-Lynch is a good idea. The apathy with which he was willing to vote Sylencia is my problem The alternative for him would be a No-lynch. I was on the verge of voting you at that time as no lynch is really fucking terrible, does it make me scum? No, because you werent advocating my lynch all day with arguments such as On April 03 2013 03:17 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm feeling confident hopeless is scum, I haven't gone over Sylencia yet.
I don't have time now but I'll get back to you on him later. On April 03 2013 14:27 risk.nuke wrote:
We're not lynching anyone other then hopeless. RoL you got to be joking if you think that we're going to lynch cheesecake first. While I agree with your posts and I had some thoughts in simmilar direction last night. It's still a weaker case then on hopeless. I don't like how you haven't talked about me since your vote and I would like you to comment further on me and hopeless.
Hopeless is obvious scum and has pretty much given up by now. This is not how he plays as town.
And Ghor's post are not hard to read. If you disregard the fact that he speaks in third person and often don't use capital letters they're actually very simple to read and even efficiently phrased.
Sylencia. Who do you want to kill? On April 04 2013 05:50 risk.nuke wrote:On April 04 2013 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 04 2013 05:38 risk.nuke wrote:
Ghor, I'm glad you dropped the roleplay, even if it's just temporary it means you care enough for the lynch to stop rping and it says something about you. If hope is town I think it's very unlikely you're mafia and stopped rp'ing to prevent it. However if hope flips scum I'm going to have a real close look at you.
I don't want you to say I'm town because I'm not playing like my scum meta. I generally don't play like this as town either. I would however like you to get your head out of your arse and see that I am scumhunting and contributing and understand that that is town behavior and therefor I am a bad lynch for today. Shut up. What do you think of Sylencia vs Hopeless lynch? lol... Where does it look like I stand? risk doesn't give a shit who got lynched, as long as it wasnt him. What?! I was doing the EXACT same thing as risk was doing ( except the other way around). I pushed Sylencia the whole day, defended you and STILL was willing to vote you. So, please explain how Risks actions only makes him scum... risk didn't push me. You pushed sylencia. Do you not see a difference in the way you and risk have played, because I see one. Yes he did. On April 03 2013 14:27 risk.nuke wrote:
We're not lynching anyone other then hopeless. RoL you got to be joking if you think that we're going to lynch cheesecake first. While I agree with your posts and I had some thoughts in simmilar direction last night. It's still a weaker case then on hopeless. I don't like how you haven't talked about me since your vote and I would like you to comment further on me and hopeless.
Hopeless is obvious scum and has pretty much given up by now. This is not how he plays as town.
And Ghor's post are not hard to read. If you disregard the fact that he speaks in third person and often don't use capital letters they're actually very simple to read and even efficiently phrased.
Sylencia. Who do you want to kill? On April 04 2013 01:27 risk.nuke wrote:
Hopeless, my case on you is not meta based. Meta is generally only something I use to gather others to my case once it's been made.
My problem with you is I called you out for not caring about scum hunting quite early, and despite that you didn't give a shit about trying to up your game, while you weren't under any pressure. Nor have you claimed busy. You just straight out was lurking and never scumhunting or caring about the game.
Your only contributions were highly suspicious egging-on-from-the-shadows posts.
My impression on you which I've gotten from games I've played with you before is you're an intelligent individual. So why have an intelligent townie not given a shit about scumhunting or making cases.
Additionally later when you after ages bring up your theory. You come up with the WORST and MOST UNLIKELY possible theory for scumbuddies that only makes it seem like you're not reading the thread. Ghor have been sharper with his comments on me then anyone else in the thread. And additionally I am just about the most active player in the game.
The only possible explanations are you're scum or a townie who's not putting in any time in the game. But then why haven't you come clean and admitted you haven't given a shit about the game because that is the only other possible explanation I might had believed. But even with that your egging on posts doesn't make sense. This does indeed look like pushing to me. Don't know what you consider pushing though.
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Does nobody else find it weird that the guys who pushed the Syl lynch into oblivion are blaming it on Risk / me, etc for switching over to avoid a no-lynch?
Why so afraid to take responsibility? The fact that Ghor / Lazer led a lynch on a townie isn't what is concerning -- it's the fact that they're like 'omg why did you kill that townie guys why did you switch over so scummy right now'
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On April 05 2013 05:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 05:07 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 05 2013 05:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@ Lazer
How the fudge can you have a town read on Ghor? He just tried to condemn 3 people for sheeping his own Syl case. I think that is perfectly resonable given that you sheeped your scum read -.- Ghor has been one of the most productive players this game, with easy to follow logic. His reasoning makes alot of sense and is very similar to mine, which I think shows of a townie mindset. Are you that stupid? Where pre-lynch was Ghor my scumread hmmm? I guess tunneling a townie with your buddy Ghor over there is much much better, and then blame it on the guys who actually wanted to lynch Hopeless because you were too stubborn to switch over. Nice soft town claim btw. O.o Sorry, I kind of took his word for granted, that you had him as scum read that is. Well, this is somewhat interesting and it means Ghor lied in order to make you look worse... Ghor just rose quite alot on my scum-o-meter.
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On April 05 2013 05:23 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 05:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 05 2013 05:07 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 05 2013 05:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@ Lazer
How the fudge can you have a town read on Ghor? He just tried to condemn 3 people for sheeping his own Syl case. I think that is perfectly resonable given that you sheeped your scum read -.- Ghor has been one of the most productive players this game, with easy to follow logic. His reasoning makes alot of sense and is very similar to mine, which I think shows of a townie mindset. Are you that stupid? Where pre-lynch was Ghor my scumread hmmm? I guess tunneling a townie with your buddy Ghor over there is much much better, and then blame it on the guys who actually wanted to lynch Hopeless because you were too stubborn to switch over. Nice soft town claim btw. O.o Sorry, I kind of took his word for granted, that you had him as scum read that is. Well, this is somewhat interesting and it means Ghor lied in order to make you look worse... Ghor just rose quite alot on my scum-o-meter.
Thank God. I was beginning to think you had no sense.
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I said it was his call because the votes were 3-3 viscera hadn't voted and his vote would pretty much decide who got lynched.
I didn't say VisceraEyes, decide who we'll kill I'll sheep you.
GhorOn April 05 2013 04:43 Ghor wrote:Got really sad when I saw Sylencia's flip. Didn't expect him to flip town at all . I'm still not sure what to make of the risk vs hopeless situation, and I'll be busy very soon until tomorrow. I would like to advise to go through a few things (will do that myself once I have time, but I think it's where we have to look at). Still, quick rundown: Check everybody's scumreads before the lynch, especially for weak pushes or even absence (considered RoL's absence to be scummy, but he gave an excuse and promised activity for 4 days which seems rather townie). In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case there (whereas hopeless said it was for self-preservation, will have to check if CC and hopeless gave out a sylencia read at all). I'll have to scrutiny CC some more in general cause I didn't really pay enough attention to him since the risk pressure thing, and I don't know why he thinks I'm scum. I would like to hear reasons for that. With that, I'll contribute more when I'm back and have more time. Good hunting.
If those are your sincere thoughts after the lynch I find them very odd and suspicious.
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Work. Busy. Promise to contribute, but later.
Axel shot weirds me out and I'm looking at his filter first.
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On April 05 2013 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote:Work. Busy. Promise to contribute, but later. Axel shot weirds me out and I'm looking at his filter first.
Shot doesn't seem to far stretched to me. You and me could have gotten medic protection. Ghor looks bad after spearheading a townielynch or could be mafia. Axle looked very townie early on day 1.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
posting from phone. ask yourself this question, wasnt the stuff cheesecake mentions already there before the sylencia lynch?why does he only mention it after the lynch?he must have seen the things he mentions already before, evidence being that there is also stuff in his filter that suggests he thinks im scum (posts that have ghor at top of them and various pressure), but he didnt say it outright.nothing changed about my reads except that i also suspect cc now.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
most of the things he found scummy were very early in the game, but you do not see him call me out for that back then, instead bring them up summarized now after that he was able to sheep my case.i dont think his points are genuine or they would have been mentioned earlier.he called me out for some bad wording stuff not for the things he suddenly finds scummy.
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Hopeless, I'm still waiting for you to explain to me in detail how you have a townread on ghor and a scumread on me.
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On April 05 2013 05:51 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote:Work. Busy. Promise to contribute, but later. Axel shot weirds me out and I'm looking at his filter first. Shot doesn't seem to far stretched to me. You and me could have gotten medic protection. Ghor looks bad after spearheading a townielynch or could be mafia. Axle looked very townie early on day 1.
That you presume either you or I would be prioritized over RoL is highly suspicious to me. Just sayin.
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On April 05 2013 06:08 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 05:51 risk.nuke wrote:On April 05 2013 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote:Work. Busy. Promise to contribute, but later. Axel shot weirds me out and I'm looking at his filter first. Shot doesn't seem to far stretched to me. You and me could have gotten medic protection. Ghor looks bad after spearheading a townielynch or could be mafia. Axle looked very townie early on day 1. That you presume either you or I would be prioritized over RoL is highly suspicious to me. Just sayin.
RoL could be scum, but assuming he is townie, with his activity and contributions I don't think it's odd he wasn't shot. Mafia needs to kill townies that won't get lynched.
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On April 05 2013 06:00 Ghor wrote:
most of the things he found scummy were very early in the game, but you do not see him call me out for that back then, instead bring them up summarized now after that he was able to sheep my case.i dont think his points are genuine or they would have been mentioned earlier.he called me out for some bad wording stuff not for the things he suddenly finds scummy.
Ghor, you are so scum. You keep throwing suspicion on me, and not defending the actual points. You say that I 'sheeped your case', okay. Use that as your ammo against me --- I welcome it. Come on, buddy, watcha got?
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On April 05 2013 06:02 risk.nuke wrote:
Hopeless, I'm still waiting for you to explain to me in detail how you have a townread on ghor and a scumread on me.
Where in the hell do you see townread? Like fucking woooooowwww stop putting shit in my mouth, it tastes terrible.
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Look at Ghor's posts since the lynch.
On April 05 2013 04:43 Ghor wrote:1.)Got really sad when I saw Sylencia's flip. Didn't expect him to flip town at all . I'm still not sure what to make of the risk vs hopeless situation, and I'll be busy very soon until tomorrow. I would like to advise to go through a few things (will do that myself once I have time, but I think it's where we have to look at). Still, quick rundown: Check everybody's scumreads before the lynch, especially for weak pushes or even absence (considered RoL's absence to be scummy, but he gave an excuse and promised activity for 4 days which seems rather townie). 2.) In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and 3.) CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case there (whereas hopeless said it was for self-preservation, will have to check if CC and hopeless gave out a sylencia read at all). 4.) I'll have to scrutiny CC some more in general cause I didn't really pay enough attention to him since the risk pressure thing, and I don't know why he thinks I'm scum. I would like to hear reasons for that. With that, I'll contribute more when I'm back and have more time. Good hunting.
1.) Sympathy about a town being lynched. Ghor ensures the thread that he had no idea he would flip town, and he was saddened by this fact.
2.) Flings shit on a bunch of people for voting Syl. In reality, most of us went there because Ghor was stubborn enough to not change his vote. He doesn't take responsibility for the lynch, just blames the guys that were forced to vote.
3.) A blatant lie. He tries to condemn me for 'sheeping a scumread', when he was neither my scumread, nor did I sheep him. He tries to play it off like I did some terrible deed by avoiding a mislynch (coincidentally, my vote never mattered lol)
4.) Hmm... CC thinks I'm scum? I should set up things so I can suspect him later.
On April 05 2013 05:55 Ghor wrote:
posting from phone. ask yourself this question, A.) wasnt the stuff cheesecake mentions already there before the sylencia lynch?why does he only mention it after the lynch?he must have seen the things he mentions already before, evidence being B.) that there is also stuff in his filter that suggests he thinks im scum (posts that have ghor at top of them and various pressure), but he didnt say it outright.nothing changed about my reads except that C.
) i also suspect cc now.
A.) Irrelevant to a defense. He ignores my points.
B.) Pressure =/= scumread
C.) Kinda Figured you would :D
On April 05 2013 06:00 Ghor wrote:
most of the things he found scummy were very early in the game, but you do not see him call me out for that back then, instead bring them up summarized now after that he was able to sheep my case.i dont think his points are genuine or they would have been mentioned earlier.he called me out for some bad wording stuff not for the things he suddenly finds scummy.
Again, trying to discredit me for something that makes no sense. This scum is scared out of his pants.
I also find it interesting that he gives RoL a townie read.
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On April 05 2013 06:41 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 06:02 risk.nuke wrote:
Hopeless, I'm still waiting for you to explain to me in detail how you have a townread on ghor and a scumread on me. Where in the hell do you see townread? Like fucking woooooowwww stop putting shit in my mouth, it tastes terrible.
I ment this but fine you just said he was townier then me. Now answer the question.
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Cheese is manipulating Lazer.
##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake
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On April 05 2013 07:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Cheese is manipulating Lazer.
##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake
This man speaks the truth.
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On April 05 2013 07:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 07:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Cheese is manipulating Lazer.
##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake This man speaks the truth.
what?
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On April 05 2013 07:25 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 07:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 05 2013 07:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Cheese is manipulating Lazer.
##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake This man speaks the truth. what?
Just something to get people noticing me. What say you to a Ghor lynch?
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risk do something for me. Filter Cheese. Hit All. Ctrl-F "Lazer".
Read all the posts that he quotes Lazer. Tell me what you see.
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On April 05 2013 07:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
risk do something for me. Filter Cheese. Hit All. Ctrl-F "Lazer".
Read all the posts that he quotes Lazer. Tell me what you see.
It looks a lot like he's trying to get someone to bite at lazer.
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That's what I saw too GOSH! Like he calls him or his actions suspicious like every time he interacts with him, but it's always in the context of trying to get him to change his present behavior (defending Hopeless D1, defending Ghor D2). He even gives him a treat in the form of saying he's not dumb when he comes around to his way of thinking in their last interaction.
Cheese what happened to your pulsating hardon for lynching Hopeless?
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On April 05 2013 07:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's what I saw too GOSH! Like he calls him or his actions suspicious like every time he interacts with him, but it's always in the context of trying to get him to change his present behavior (defending Hopeless D1, defending Ghor D2). He even gives him a treat in the form of saying he's not dumb when he comes around to his way of thinking in their last interaction.
Cheese what happened to your pulsating hardon for lynching Hopeless?
I came.
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Prematurely imo imo. Now look you got scumsauce all over my new tie.
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I am still aroused by lynching the Hopeless one, but I'm getting scum vibes all over from Ghor.
I figured I'd get flak for it -- a lot of ppl have town reads on him. Don't care, I think he's scum. Good to know -- dontcha think?
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Hope you're of the hook for now. I'm not done with you. I want your explanations.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake
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What do you want to know?
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But they're so out of left field, and there's already more than enough support to get a bandwagon on Hopeless going. So why was your first act NOT to question Hopeless, your preferred lynch yesterday? Why did you opt to, instead, start a new bandwagon on someone else?
I don't care how aroused you are by lynching Hopeless because you're not voting for Hopeless and you've barely mentioned Hopeless this day.
Ghor said something in his defense I'd like you to address. All of the stuff in your case was readily available to you yesterday. When you were pushing for Hopeless and you were clearly paying at least tertiary attention to Ghor, why didn't you raise any of the points in your case today against him yesterday when he was pushing for the Sylencia lynch? I for one was here, looking for input on where I should vote. You did NOTHING to try and convince me to vote for Hopeless, while Ghor took the time to prepare a whole case against Sylencia.
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On April 05 2013 05:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@ Lazer
How the fudge can you have a town read on Ghor? He just tried to condemn 3 people for sheeping his own Syl case.
On April 05 2013 07:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I am still aroused by lynching the Hopeless one, but I'm getting scum vibes all over from Ghor.
I figured I'd get flak for it -- a lot of ppl have town reads on him. Don't care, I think he's scum. Good to know -- dontcha think?
These two statements contradict each other. In the first you express incredulity at the idea that Lazer has a town read on Ghor, and in the second you say you're aware that "a lot of ppl have town reads on him".
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On April 05 2013 08:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
But they're so out of left field, and there's already more than enough support to get a bandwagon on Hopeless going. So why was your first act NOT to question Hopeless, your preferred lynch yesterday? Why did you opt to, instead, start a new bandwagon on someone else?
I don't care how aroused you are by lynching Hopeless because you're not voting for Hopeless and you've barely mentioned Hopeless this day.
Ghor said something in his defense I'd like you to address. All of the stuff in your case was readily available to you yesterday. When you were pushing for Hopeless and you were clearly paying at least tertiary attention to Ghor, why didn't you raise any of the points in your case today against him yesterday when he was pushing for the Sylencia lynch? I for one was here, looking for input on where I should vote. You did NOTHING to try and convince me to vote for Hopeless, while Ghor took the time to prepare a whole case against Sylencia.
Firsly, if I were scum you'd figure I'd just put Hopeless into the ground today. Just sayin. Seems like an easy mislynch if I were scum. I have my own opinions of Hopeless -- and what am I supposed to question him on? Hey bro, you probably scum so what do you think about that?
About all the things being available yesterday; didn't click. Maybe Syl was scum and he was right. I never really looked at Ghor until Syl flipped town last night, and things struck me as really scummy in context of knowing Syls alignment.
Of course I did nothing to convince you to vote for Hopeless because A) I was at work, typing on my damn phone under a table and B) Have already stated the evidence against him. Ghor taking time to prepare a case against Syl is, impressive actually. I'll have to take that into account.
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On April 05 2013 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 05:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@ Lazer
How the fudge can you have a town read on Ghor? He just tried to condemn 3 people for sheeping his own Syl case. Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 07:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I am still aroused by lynching the Hopeless one, but I'm getting scum vibes all over from Ghor.
I figured I'd get flak for it -- a lot of ppl have town reads on him. Don't care, I think he's scum. Good to know -- dontcha think? These two statements contradict each other. In the first you express incredulity at the idea that Lazer has a town read on Ghor, and in the second you say you're aware that "a lot of ppl have town reads on him".
I know people had town reads on him. I just don't agree with them.
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On April 05 2013 08:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
and there's already more than enough support to get a bandwagon on Hopeless going.
So, you think I'm scum because I'm not instantly hoping on a Hopeless bandwagon? How does that make any sense?
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CO-HOST> HOST COUNT
hopeless1der ( 0 ): risk.nuke
risk.nuke ( 1 ): hopeless1der
RebirthOfLegend ( 1 ): LazerMonkey
Mr. Cheesecake ( 2 ): VisceraEyes, risk.nuke
Ghor ( 1 ): Mr. Cheesecake
Not Voting ( 2 ): Ghor, RebirthOfLegend
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. If you see a mistake please notify us. This is instant majority lynch.
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NO ONE ELSE VOTES CHEESE UNTIL REBIRTHOFLEGEND RETURNS
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How does me not pushing Hopeless into the ground and riding that support for his lynch serve my "scum agenda".
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Maybe he's your teammate? Fuck I don't know, I'm not playing WIFOM games. I'm basing my read of you on thread actions and facts.
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On April 05 2013 08:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Maybe he's your teammate? Fuck I don't know, I'm not playing WIFOM games. I'm basing my read of you on thread actions and facts.
Yeah the guy I called out D1, made a huge post on, and we nearly got lynched together is my teammate.
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In fact VE, wtf, why do you want a one-track thread? So you're saying the thread has to be anti-hopeless today? Thinking someone else is scum is bad!
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On April 05 2013 08:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 08:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Maybe he's your teammate? Fuck I don't know, I'm not playing WIFOM games. I'm basing my read of you on thread actions and facts. Yeah the guy I called out D1, made a huge post on, and we nearly got lynched together is my teammate.
Yeah because you weren't confirmed town for 2 days as scum in Nomination for bussing your teammate. After calling him out on D1. Pull the other one Cheese I'm not fucking Yamato or slOosh in here. I just told you I'm not playing WIFOM games with you.
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On April 05 2013 08:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
In fact VE, wtf, why do you want a one-track thread? So you're saying the thread has to be anti-hopeless today? Thinking someone else is scum is bad!
Why are you saying I want a one-track thread when I'm voting for someone that's not Hopeless? Are you even kidding me right now?
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On April 05 2013 08:33 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 08:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
In fact VE, wtf, why do you want a one-track thread? So you're saying the thread has to be anti-hopeless today? Thinking someone else is scum is bad! Why are you saying I want a one-track thread when I'm voting for someone that's not Hopeless? Are you even kidding me right now?
If I had just voted Hopeless, would we even be having this super-enlightening discussion right now?
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On April 05 2013 08:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 08:33 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 05 2013 08:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
In fact VE, wtf, why do you want a one-track thread? So you're saying the thread has to be anti-hopeless today? Thinking someone else is scum is bad! Why are you saying I want a one-track thread when I'm voting for someone that's not Hopeless? Are you even kidding me right now? If I had just voted Hopeless, would we even be having this super-enlightening discussion right now?
Who's to say? Not me. Fact is you didn't though. You also did not follow through with your "suspicion" of him at all. So here we are.
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On April 05 2013 08:37 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 08:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 05 2013 08:33 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 05 2013 08:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
In fact VE, wtf, why do you want a one-track thread? So you're saying the thread has to be anti-hopeless today? Thinking someone else is scum is bad! Why are you saying I want a one-track thread when I'm voting for someone that's not Hopeless? Are you even kidding me right now? If I had just voted Hopeless, would we even be having this super-enlightening discussion right now? Who's to say? Not me. Fact is you didn't though. You also did not follow through with your "suspicion" of him at all. So here we are.
*sigh*
> Guy has stronger scumread than Hopeless after lynch
> Guy gets called scum for not voting his previous scumread
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Your strawman arguments are getting boring. I'm saying you're scum for exhibiting scummy behavior. You keep boiling down my argument to 1 point, why is that? You haven't even TRIED to dispute manipulating Lazer or doing nothing to push for a Hopeless lynch IN SPITE of him being your top read. You STILL haven't commented on what I asked you to comment on in Ghor's defense.
So yeah, keep on setting up those brainy crowbanes. I BRING DA FIYA
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On April 05 2013 08:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Your strawman arguments are getting boring. I'm saying you're scum for exhibiting scummy behavior. You keep boiling down my argument to 1 point, why is that? You haven't even TRIED to dispute manipulating Lazer or doing nothing to push for a Hopeless lynch IN SPITE of him being your top read. You STILL haven't commented on what I asked you to comment on in Ghor's defense.
So yeah, keep on setting up those brainy crowbanes. I BRING DA FIYA
Wow, yes I have. I said that it wasn't apparent at the time, and I only looked at Ghor seriously after Syl flipped. Don't like the answer? Sorry.
I can't dispute manipulating Lazer because it will just turn into a larger shouting match. I just find him irritating because he's stubborn and usually unreasonable. You can say I'm manipulating Lazer, but I'm not, there's nothing to disprove lazer-CC shouting matches in this thread, because they've happened.
I haven't done anything to lynch Hopeless... cool. He's not my top scumread.
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My goal here isn't to dabble in this bowl of stupidity with you.
If you guys want to lynch me it's all good -- just give me time to figure out the game first and post, k? It's a waste, but if you need to fucking hang me for town to trust me then whatever.
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Neat. Well you're mine, and I intend to do everything in my power to get you lynched. Cause you ARE my top scumread.
Don't like it? Shucks sorry dude. Feel free to try and convince me of Ghor's guilt though. If you think I'm town, it's in your best interest to do so. It only looks like I'm tunneled in right now because we're the only two here. I'm perfectly willing to discuss shit with you.
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I've already presented two large posts on him.
One point I bring up is that he's self-focused, contrary to what he says, and had scumreads on people after they had called him out. Syl called him out --> syl scum! Hopeless challenged him ---> hopeless might be scum! He picked on risk a little when he had the three votes at the beginning as well.
Is that not scummy behavior?
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No? Townies OMGUS at other townies or even scum all the time. Just because it's OMGUS doesn't make it scummy.
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What about Ghor trying to pin the Syl lynch on those who switched over? I have no idea how that comes from a townie mindset.
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Or him blatantly lying, saying that I sheeped my own scumread?
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On April 05 2013 09:00 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
What about Ghor trying to pin the Syl lynch on those who switched over? I have no idea how that comes from a townie mindset.
On April 05 2013 09:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Or him blatantly lying, saying that I sheeped my own scumread?
I don't understand what you mean by the first point. Are you saying that people who switched late onto Syl should NOT be scrutinized? People who switched OFF of your scumread ONTO a townie, you're saying these people deserve no extra scrutiny? Mmmmmkay....
In your second, I got the impression that you were scum on Ghor from your D1 posting too. Like when I came in the other morning and asked whether there was something I wouldn't like in the thread and you responded "Ghor's posts". Maybe not your top scumread sure because you didn't try and get him lynched, but you seemed suspicious of him.
My point is I can see it coming from a townie mindset. If he's town and he doesn't know your alignment, then obviously he's trying to read context into your posts. I didn't take it as him lying at all. At worst misunderstanding your posting D1 and misinterpreting the situation D2 is what I'm reading from that, not that he's blatantly lying.
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If you want to defend Ghor it's completely fine. Prove to me why you think he's townie, that should be your job after all. Convince the cake.
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Nah no thanks. I'm more interested in getting you lynched sweetcheeks.
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On April 05 2013 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 09:00 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
What about Ghor trying to pin the Syl lynch on those who switched over? I have no idea how that comes from a townie mindset. Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 09:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Or him blatantly lying, saying that I sheeped my own scumread? I don't understand what you mean by the first point. Are you saying that people who switched late onto Syl should NOT be scrutinized? People who switched OFF of your scumread ONTO a townie, you're saying these people deserve no extra scrutiny? Mmmmmkay.... In your second, I got the impression that you were scum on Ghor from your D1 posting too. Like when I came in the other morning and asked whether there was something I wouldn't like in the thread and you responded "Ghor's posts". Maybe not your top scumread sure because you didn't try and get him lynched, but you seemed suspicious of him. My point is I can see it coming from a townie mindset. If he's town and he doesn't know your alignment, then obviously he's trying to read context into your posts. I didn't take it as him lying at all. At worst misunderstanding your posting D1 and misinterpreting the situation D2 is what I'm reading from that, not that he's blatantly lying.
The fact is, he took no responsibility for the lynch and just said 'fuck, all these guys who lynched syl to avoid a no-lynch are bad'. They deserve no more scrutiny than the rest.
The "Ghors post" thing was a joke, wasn't it obvious? He was acting all Russian and stuff, was annoying. I pressured Ghor a little bit here and there, because he was confusing and I was trying to get information out of him.
I took it as lying because I never had a scumread on him D1. I know that, maybe he assumed I did. But he seems to be using it as ammo against me, 'omg u sheeped ur scumread bro u scum'.
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On April 05 2013 09:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Nah no thanks. I'm more interested in getting you lynched sweetcheeks.
Oh, how disappointed you're going to be.
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On April 05 2013 09:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 09:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Nah no thanks. I'm more interested in getting you lynched sweetcheeks. Oh, how disappointed you're going to be.
I'm used to it. For as often as I die N1, you'd be surprised at how often I'm wrong.
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On April 05 2013 09:16 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 09:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 05 2013 09:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Nah no thanks. I'm more interested in getting you lynched sweetcheeks. Oh, how disappointed you're going to be. I'm used to it. For as often as I die N1, you'd be surprised at how often I'm wrong.
Great way to get people to listen to you, haha. VE Where did your buddy Risk go
He just let you take over the train and go choo choo with it. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisky! Get in here fella.
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On April 05 2013 09:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 09:16 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 05 2013 09:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 05 2013 09:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Nah no thanks. I'm more interested in getting you lynched sweetcheeks. Oh, how disappointed you're going to be. I'm used to it. For as often as I die N1, you'd be surprised at how often I'm wrong. Great way to get people to listen to you, haha. VE Where did your buddy Risk go He just let you take over the train and go choo choo with it. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisky! Get in here fella.
I'm a realist. It's a failing in my play. The fact that you're here when no one else is is certainly speaking in your favor, but not much.
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On April 05 2013 09:20 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 09:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 05 2013 09:16 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 05 2013 09:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 05 2013 09:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Nah no thanks. I'm more interested in getting you lynched sweetcheeks. Oh, how disappointed you're going to be. I'm used to it. For as often as I die N1, you'd be surprised at how often I'm wrong. Great way to get people to listen to you, haha. VE Where did your buddy Risk go He just let you take over the train and go choo choo with it. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisky! Get in here fella. I'm a realist. It's a failing in my play. The fact that you're here when no one else is is certainly speaking in your favor, but not much.
Well the fact that you're facerolling me pretty hard is indicative of your scum play (although, I've played with you as town), but it seems like a huge risk to take if you know I'm town. Depends if people would just lynch you tomorrow or not for tunneling me.
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I have moments of lucidity regardless of my alignment in every game. It's indicative of "I'm in a game with VE" not "I'm in a game with scumVE".
If I were scum and you town, I'd be all over Ghor (if he's town) with you. BELIEVE THAT SIR. Or don't, I don't care. I'm very not on trial here. LMAO
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@Risk
It disappoints the Cake that you have suddenly disappeared. You obviously hate Hopeless, etc and even agree with (at least one) of my thoughts on Ghor. You seem to just pop in, egg VE on to pressure me, and then leave.
Sir, what is your opinion of me? How do you just 'let Hopeless off the hook' as well?
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On April 05 2013 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote:I have moments of lucidity regardless of my alignment in every game. It's indicative of "I'm in a game with VE" not "I'm in a game with scumVE". If I were scum and you town, I'd be all over Ghor (if he's town) with you. BELIEVE THAT SIR. Or don't, I don't care. I'm very not on trial here. LMAO
Well If I were scum and you town, I'd be all over Hopeless today if he's town with you. BELIEVE THAT SIR.
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YA RISK WTF ITS LIKE YOU DON'T GOT MY BACK OR NUTHIN WTF
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On April 05 2013 09:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote:I have moments of lucidity regardless of my alignment in every game. It's indicative of "I'm in a game with VE" not "I'm in a game with scumVE". If I were scum and you town, I'd be all over Ghor (if he's town) with you. BELIEVE THAT SIR. Or don't, I don't care. I'm very not on trial here. LMAO Well If I were scum and you town, I'd be all over Hopeless today if he's town with you. BELIEVE THAT SIR.
I don't. *shrug* You still sexy beast tho.
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On April 05 2013 09:40 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 09:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 05 2013 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote:I have moments of lucidity regardless of my alignment in every game. It's indicative of "I'm in a game with VE" not "I'm in a game with scumVE". If I were scum and you town, I'd be all over Ghor (if he's town) with you. BELIEVE THAT SIR. Or don't, I don't care. I'm very not on trial here. LMAO Well If I were scum and you town, I'd be all over Hopeless today if he's town with you. BELIEVE THAT SIR. I don't. *shrug* You still sexy beast tho.
Someone's been talking with Dandel Ion l0l
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##unvote:
nobody's posted on ten hours. Where are people? RoL you said you'd be here by now...
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Russian Federation140 Posts
Got a few questions:
@ CC
Can you give a quick recap of why you find/found hopeless scummy? Do you find risk scummy? How would you prioritize your choices?
@ risk
You said you found that D2 post from me suspicious, can you specify what and why?
Was that vote on CC indicative of suspicion or did you just want him to talk?
I would also like to expand on why I still find you suspicious. In this post (~ 1:30 time) you say We're not lynching anyone else but hopeless, followed by a post telling him why he is scum (as opposed to trying to convince others).
Several hours later you show exactly the opposite attitude, slowly starting to agree with the points against sylencia and not mentioning the only guy you thought should be lynched hours ago. Not even finding it suspicious that there's someone starting a counterbandwagon away from your top scumread, instead you sheep exactly that one?
@ Hopeless
Any opinion on the points against me by CC and my points against CC? Where do me and CC stand, relative to risk?
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On April 05 2013 19:49 Ghor wrote:
@ risk
You said you found that D2 post from me suspicious, can you specify what and why?
Was that vote on CC indicative of suspicion or did you just want him to talk?
Both, I wanted to put more pressure on him because he didn't seem to take things seriously.
On April 05 2013 04:43 Ghor wrote:Got really sad when I saw Sylencia's flip. Didn't expect him to flip town at all . I'm still not sure what to make of the risk vs hopeless situation, and I'll be busy very soon until tomorrow. I would like to advise to go through a few things (will do that myself once I have time, but I think it's where we have to look at).Still, quick rundown: Check everybody's scumreads before the lynch, especially for weak pushes or even absence (considered RoL's absence to be scummy, but he gave an excuse and promised activity for 4 days which seems rather townie).
In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case there (whereas hopeless said it was for self-preservation, will have to check if CC and hopeless gave out a sylencia read at all).I'll have to scrutiny CC some more in general cause I didn't really pay enough attention to him since the risk pressure thing, and I don't know why he thinks I'm scum. I would like to hear reasons for that. With that, I'll contribute more when I'm back and have more time. Good hunting.
I didn't like neither of the bolded statements.
I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious. I think that's odd. Because the only legit reason you could feel that is if you had a strong townread on hopeless or disagreed with my arguments against him.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
I found the situation (and still do) between you and hopeless hard to resolve. I think only one of you is scum, and I'm not able to establish which one.
That's part of the reason I was more interested into lynching sylencia D1, cause I want to see more from you and hopeless to be able to make a better decision, whereas sylencia looked very scummy to me (but turned out to be lynchbait).
You stating what you thought of sylencia is not enough. It's easy for scum to be right as opposed to a majority of townies who might be pushing for a mislynch. What matters is that you didn't fight the sylencia lynch in favour of the hopeless lynch when you should have, according to your earlier statement about hopeless , and instead seem to want to take credit for a townread on a dead townie now.
Why do you find CC suspicious?
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On April 05 2013 20:14 Ghor wrote:
I found the situation (and still do) between you and hopeless hard to resolve. I think only one of you is scum, and I'm not able to establish which one.
That's part of the reason I was more interested into lynching sylencia D1, cause I want to see more from you and hopeless to be able to make a better decision, whereas sylencia looked very scummy to me (but turned out to be lynchbait).
You stating what you thought of sylencia is not enough. It's easy for scum to be right as opposed to a majority of townies who might be pushing for a mislynch. What matters is that you didn't fight the sylencia lynch in favour of the hopeless lynch when you should have, according to your earlier statement about hopeless , and instead seem to want to take credit for a townread on a dead townie now.
Why do you find CC suspicious?
Why have you ruled out the possibility both me and hope are town?
I did as much as I could to make people vote hopeless, should I had reworded and spammed the case against him every 5 minutes? And I didn't just say I opposed a syl lynch, towncred plox. I specified arguments for why the arguments against him could be wrong. At the same time I didn't feel confident enough to just say shut up I am dead certain you are wrong.
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CC's interactions with lazer are very weird, I had planned to go over CC filters from other games to look for similarity's today but I haven't gotten around to it. I also think it's weird that he didn't take VE seriously. Although he did seem to take it a bit more seriously after I added another vote at least for a short while. VE didn't really keep him under pressure for long.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
Several hours before lynch:
On April 05 2013 20:04 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 19:49 Ghor wrote:
@ risk
You said you found that D2 post from me suspicious, can you specify what and why?
Was that vote on CC indicative of suspicion or did you just want him to talk?
Both, I wanted to put more pressure on him because he didn't seem to take things seriously. Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 04:43 Ghor wrote:Got really sad when I saw Sylencia's flip. Didn't expect him to flip town at all . I'm still not sure what to make of the risk vs hopeless situation, and I'll be busy very soon until tomorrow. I would like to advise to go through a few things (will do that myself once I have time, but I think it's where we have to look at).Still, quick rundown: Check everybody's scumreads before the lynch, especially for weak pushes or even absence (considered RoL's absence to be scummy, but he gave an excuse and promised activity for 4 days which seems rather townie).
In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case there (whereas hopeless said it was for self-preservation, will have to check if CC and hopeless gave out a sylencia read at all).I'll have to scrutiny CC some more in general cause I didn't really pay enough attention to him since the risk pressure thing, and I don't know why he thinks I'm scum. I would like to hear reasons for that. With that, I'll contribute more when I'm back and have more time. Good hunting. I didn't like neither of the bolded statements. I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious. I think that's odd. Because the only legit reason you could feel that is if you had a strong townread on hopeless or disagreed with my arguments against him.
Shortly before lynch:
On April 04 2013 05:42 risk.nuke wrote:
I think syl's absence makes him look worse, however he has posts with thoughts I can follow and I liked that, there were other posts I didn't like such as how slow he was to take a stand on lynches and also where he ended up however I'm not sure that's necessarily scumplay as opposed to just bad town play.
On April 04 2013 06:03 risk.nuke wrote:
I said I didn't want to lynch him, it's about the same time Ghor pulled his 180 on me.
I want to lynch Hope, I would rather lynch RoL before I lynch Syl but I will vote Syl to ensure a lynch.
That's what I think about lynching Syl. ARE YOU HAPPY?
On April 04 2013 06:24 risk.nuke wrote:
Ghor I wouldn't hammer VE either because VE is a townread. I would hammer a null-read rather then to see a no-lynch. Can you not see the difference in that?
On April 04 2013 06:32 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 06:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm curious to know what the things you dislike about Syl are. You say there are things. What are they? Mainly his reluctance to take a stand about the lynch and his relationship with Ghor. He's pretty much the only one he's taken a stance on and it in a way looks like tunneling hidden behind a claimed general dislike for Ghors writing. However I'm also not sure if a scum Syl would tunnel a person so blatantly poorly while being passive about voting him. If he was scum he should have had a teammate to tell him he's playing awefully and give him some advice.
Did you say why you would lynch RoL over Syl? Why hopeless is a better lynch than syl (you told us your lynch priorities, but didn't seem to act according to them)? Find it suspicious that people started a counter bandwagon over obvious scum hopeless?
All I see is you going like this: "Syl could be scum cause of x, syl could be town cause of y, I will vote syl not cause of these reasons, but only to ensure a lynch, I will mention these reasons anyway cause people ask me to".
Now obviously, you will say "But Ghor, did you prefer a no-lynch instead?". No, of course not, but it's about your behaviour before the lynch, and your apparent opportunism towards the sylencia lynch and fear of being wrong, and the stuff you just said now that says you should look townie for opposing the lynch when you really didn't oppose it, but only gave your opinions about.
"But Ghor, I wasn't confident"
I'm sure you weren't, cause it conflicts with your objectives to notoppose a townie lynch, and assuming hopeless is town by now, being one of the main pushers of a town lynch was probably a worse option, but you could not simply jump on the sylencia wagon without justification.
So you'd simply give out controversial opinions about sylencia to not look inconsistent with your earlier hopeless' superstrong scumread (by giving points in favour of scumlencia and justify a vote on him), but also giving out townie points to be able to justify that you never pushed sylencia before.
On April 05 2013 20:24 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 20:14 Ghor wrote:
I found the situation (and still do) between you and hopeless hard to resolve. I think only one of you is scum, and I'm not able to establish which one.
That's part of the reason I was more interested into lynching sylencia D1, cause I want to see more from you and hopeless to be able to make a better decision, whereas sylencia looked very scummy to me (but turned out to be lynchbait).
You stating what you thought of sylencia is not enough. It's easy for scum to be right as opposed to a majority of townies who might be pushing for a mislynch. What matters is that you didn't fight the sylencia lynch in favour of the hopeless lynch when you should have, according to your earlier statement about hopeless , and instead seem to want to take credit for a townread on a dead townie now.
Why do you find CC suspicious? Why have you ruled out the possibility both me and hope are town? I did as much as I could to make people vote hopeless, should I had reworded and spammed the case against him every 5 minutes? And I didn't just say I opposed a syl lynch, towncred plox. I specified arguments for why the arguments against him could be wrong. At the same time I didn't feel confident enough to just say shut up I am dead certain you are wrong.
I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious.
Seem like you do want towncred for it though.
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So yeah, I back a risk lynch in favour over a hopeless lynch now.
Sorry buddy :o]
##Vote risk.nuke
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Russian Federation140 Posts
EBWOP: This is several hours before lynch. I actually wanted to reply to the "I opposed sylencia lynch thing"
On April 03 2013 14:27 risk.nuke wrote:
We're not lynching anyone other then hopeless. RoL you got to be joking if you think that we're going to lynch cheesecake first. While I agree with your posts and I had some thoughts in simmilar direction last night. It's still a weaker case then on hopeless. I don't like how you haven't talked about me since your vote and I would like you to comment further on me and hopeless.
Hopeless is obvious scum and has pretty much given up by now. This is not how he plays as town.
And Ghor's post are not hard to read. If you disregard the fact that he speaks in third person and often don't use capital letters they're actually very simple to read and even efficiently phrased.
Sylencia. Who do you want to kill?
On April 04 2013 01:27 risk.nuke wrote:
Hopeless, my case on you is not meta based. Meta is generally only something I use to gather others to my case once it's been made.
My problem with you is I called you out for not caring about scum hunting quite early, and despite that you didn't give a shit about trying to up your game, while you weren't under any pressure. Nor have you claimed busy. You just straight out was lurking and never scumhunting or caring about the game.
Your only contributions were highly suspicious egging-on-from-the-shadows posts.
My impression on you which I've gotten from games I've played with you before is you're an intelligent individual. So why have an intelligent townie not given a shit about scumhunting or making cases.
Additionally later when you after ages bring up your theory. You come up with the WORST and MOST UNLIKELY possible theory for scumbuddies that only makes it seem like you're not reading the thread. Ghor have been sharper with his comments on me then anyone else in the thread. And additionally I am just about the most active player in the game.
The only possible explanations are you're scum or a townie who's not putting in any time in the game. But then why haven't you come clean and admitted you haven't given a shit about the game because that is the only other possible explanation I might had believed. But even with that your egging on posts doesn't make sense.
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LOL, When I'm doing something townie, how is pointing that out to the thread scummy?
Where do your logic come from?
##vote: Ghor
I said I wanted to lynch Hopeless > RoL > Sylencia. You're saying I didn't act according to that. What bullshit because I did. You're just saying I didn't in words without disproving it, but saying something doesn't make it so.
I said I would switch to Sylencia to ensure a lynch. And so I did because there were no way in hell people were going to jump of sylencia and on hopeless with MINUTES to deadline. How is that opportunistic you little filth.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
I don't see you trying to persuade anyone of switching to hopeless, only say what you prefer. That's not opposing a lynch, as isn't saying you would lynch your null-read over your scumread.
Where do you show to the thread that you even think RoL could be scum since you seemed to have preferred him over sylencia? There is zero effort from you to work towards the objectives you claimed to have.
You could also expand on pointing out what you find weird about CC. Cause finding stuff weird and leaving it at that isn't the best way to follow a trail. Don't you have anything to ask to CC?
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Russian Federation140 Posts
And you asked me why I don't see it as townie that you "opposed" the sylencia lynch. That equals to supposing and expecting that you would get cred for that.
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I don't understand what sort of shrewd view of towncred you are trying to sell.
This is mafia and this is how it works.
X bring up valid points for why someone might be a poor lynch.
X don't have enough towncred/influence so thread don't listen to X.
Postlynch it is determined X was right.
People are more inclined to believe X listen to X next time.
You're so full of shit because you don't want to lynch hopeless so hard but you're so scared of calling him town for when he flips scum that will incriminate you and you know it.
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Actually hopeless doesn't even need to be scum. Your interactions with me and him are so fucking suspicious regardless of if he flips scum or town.
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Just skimmed through. I strongly dislike american capitalist-swine Ghor. I want old Ghor back, this one is an imposter.
##Unvote
##Vote: Ghor
Please note that Ghor is one vote away from getting killed!
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@VE: when you say that CC is manipulating me, what do you exactly mean?
and should noone vote CC before RoL is back?
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Hey Lazer, got a minute to talk? I need to shine my mind-control beams through your eyes some more.
What do you think about Risk in the past few pages?
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On April 05 2013 23:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hey Lazer, got a minute to talk? I need to shine my mind-control beams through your eyes some more.
What do you think about Risk in the past few pages? He is making sense alot of sense. Ghor is trying to justify his lie by bringing up the most crazy fucking accusations I've seen in a while. What about you?
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On April 05 2013 23:59 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 23:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hey Lazer, got a minute to talk? I need to shine my mind-control beams through your eyes some more.
What do you think about Risk in the past few pages? He is making sense alot of sense. Ghor is trying to justify his lie by bringing up the most crazy fucking accusations I've seen in a while. What about you?
This is fucking weird because Risk is suspicious, but for almost none of the reasons Ghor points out. I think Ghor is scummy as all hell for the reasons Risk brings up, but I think Risk might be scum because he literally pawned me off on VE to pressure, and then frame VE when I flip.
I think that Ghor's pressure on Risk is unjustified because he's bringing up things that didn't strike me as scummy rather than the stuff that did. . .
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Now I'm trying to do scumteam theories in my head, hell.
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On April 06 2013 00:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 23:59 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 05 2013 23:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hey Lazer, got a minute to talk? I need to shine my mind-control beams through your eyes some more.
What do you think about Risk in the past few pages? He is making sense alot of sense. Ghor is trying to justify his lie by bringing up the most crazy fucking accusations I've seen in a while. What about you? This is fucking weird because Risk is suspicious, but for almost none of the reasons Ghor points out. I think Ghor is scummy as all hell for the reasons Risk brings up, but I think Risk might be scum because he literally pawned me off on VE to pressure, and then frame VE when I flip.I think that Ghor's pressure on Risk is unjustified because he's bringing up things that didn't strike me as scummy rather than the stuff that did. . . I'm sorry, I am noob at english TT. What do you mean?
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To clarify:
VE expressed concern about me. Risk voted me, and then pissed off the entire time me and VE were having our shouting match. It's like he wanted to drive my mislynch and not be responsible. VE would have been the culprit in this case.
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On April 06 2013 00:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
To clarify:
VE expressed concern about me. Risk voted me, and then pissed off the entire time me and VE were having our shouting match. It's like he wanted to drive my mislynch and not be responsible. VE would have been the culprit in this case. The vote was to pressure you to talk, which you did. He got satisfied and unvoted. How is this scummy?
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On April 06 2013 00:15 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 00:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
To clarify:
VE expressed concern about me. Risk voted me, and then pissed off the entire time me and VE were having our shouting match. It's like he wanted to drive my mislynch and not be responsible. VE would have been the culprit in this case. The vote was to pressure you to talk, which you did. He got satisfied and unvoted. How is this scummy?
But he expressed no concerns of his own, and only did so when prompted by VE who led him through my filter to say I was manipulating you. He wanted explanations -- why wouldn't he step up to the plate and get them himself? It's one of my only concerns with Risk as of today, I just want a reason why. I think Risk himself could better answer it.
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Then why are you asking in the first place. It's like you are testing the waters for a Risk lynch...
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On April 06 2013 00:27 Lazermonkey wrote:
Then why are you asking in the first place. It's like you are testing the waters for a Risk lynch...
I just wanted your opinion.
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Hey guys, sorry I'm back and will won't be gone for quite a few days. The last few days I was working like 12 hours a day leading up to my mini vacation and didn't really have time. I'm reading up at page 18 right now.
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You don't make any sense, why would you ask me about Risks actions the last couple of pages if you only had minor issues of some sort and you need him to give an answer to those questions? I figuered you were probebly having some form of scum read on him or wanted to set some form of trap for me but the fact that you explain it away by saying "just wanted your opinion" seems like total BS in my opinion.
##Unvote
##Vote: CC
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Vote Cheese with me RoL. Risk lacks spine.
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BUT LAZER GOT THIS!!!
Nevermind RoL unless you're cool with putting CC at L-1.
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I was cool with murdering that dude yesterday. However I wouldn't feel comfortable voting for someone without reading the new information, so I will need some time. I'm at page 20 so it will probably take me another hour or so to catch up.
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On April 04 2013 02:53 Ghor wrote:
I would also like to add that I'm aware of risk's lurky scum meta. But this is a mini and scum is required to be active, and risk has been forced to do so early (thus committing himself to keep up to that), so I will not put too much credit into his activity like he wants people to. I'm not too happy about his mono-scumread and null-everything-else.
What happened to your broken English and speaking in third person? I found it enjoyable once I got past the initial irritation.
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I'm curious. This whole time I saw on D1 that everyone was demanding a lynch, but I never saw an analysis of the benefits of a no lynch.
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On April 06 2013 01:32 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I'm curious. This whole time I saw on D1 that everyone was demanding a lynch, but I never saw an analysis of the benefits of a no lynch. Unless someone gets medic saved, we will have one less misslynch at our disposal if we no lynch.
Analysis done.
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I counted. I see that if we no lynched we end up in LYLO day 4 assuming we hit no scum, and if we did lynch we end up in lylo day 3. It's functionally making it so we don't have to lynch day 1 with less information and allows us to instead have that lynch day 4 where we will have more information.
This is all assuming no medic protections.
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On April 06 2013 01:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I counted. I see that if we no lynched we end up in LYLO day 4 assuming we hit no scum, and if we did lynch we end up in lylo day 3. It's functionally making it so we don't have to lynch day 1 with less information and allows us to instead have that lynch day 4 where we will have more information.
This is all assuming no medic protections. If we no lynch, we end up in MYLO D3 instead of LYLO, not sure how you count.
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Lazer, you just sheeped me / risk on Ghor and then vote me.
Wut.
So, you don't think Ghor is scummy then?
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On April 06 2013 01:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Lazer, you just sheeped me / risk on Ghor and then vote me.
Wut.
So, you don't think Ghor is scummy then? You are both scummy.
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On April 06 2013 01:44 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 01:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I counted. I see that if we no lynched we end up in LYLO day 4 assuming we hit no scum, and if we did lynch we end up in lylo day 3. It's functionally making it so we don't have to lynch day 1 with less information and allows us to instead have that lynch day 4 where we will have more information.
This is all assuming no medic protections. If we no lynch, we end up in MYLO D3 instead of LYLO, not sure how you count.
Oh shit, i fucked up. I had it as 8v2 not 7v2 to start with. That was a whoops.
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Okay, awesome. I'm interested on where Hopeless stands on all of this, i havent seen him in ages.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
Lazer, need your own arguments for thinking I'm scum. Currently you just agreed on "me lying" when also VE confirmed that CC subtly said I'm scum D1, and currently seem to be very quickly eager to lynch me. Didn't you read the stuff?
Will be away for ~1 hour. So don't do quick things you might regret. We have at least ~one more day.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
##Unvote
Risk, answer my points instead of telling me I'm full of shit. If you're town you have no reason to stop talking about CC if you find him weird, just cause I think you're scum.
RoL, do you have any reads to offer instead of discussing lynch options at this point?
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Russian Federation140 Posts
In general, if I think you're scum, let me know what you thought in that situation I find scummy. Let me hear how you got to make decisions. Childish "Fuck you"-type of posts with reactionary omgus-vote won't help me get a better read on you. It only makes you look like you react excessively emotional to the brought case.
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Ghor I never implied you were scum D1. i pressured you to get an initial read. I found ur trolling irritating but not scummy.
If you insist that i thought you were scum d1, either you lie or are misconstruing my posts.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
Well then I'll assume you didn't find me scummy D1 cause you say so. But some of my points still remain. I'll first comment on your summary.
On April 05 2013 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Ghor, sup buddy? + Show Spoiler +Ghor's been focusing on 3 main people this game. Initially, Risk, who was the easiest target from D1. Then Syl. And Hopeless to a certain extent. Look how the Syl and Hopeless scumreads developed... On April 02 2013 23:11 Ghor wrote:Ghor not like sylencia last two post, he lie about me. Ghor contribute, ghor say what he think, what he like, what he not like, who capitalist are.what risk do wrong and why not hammer too quick.but sylencia play like capitalist swine, he talk about me wildcard cause ghor sound like foreign, but say i scummy for things not true. but that not only reason.it sound like omgus, bad. ghor had eye on sylencia early, ghor ask axle about people like sylencia who say privjet and go away. what make ghor suspicious in late posts is: Sylencia spend more time talking about everyone except main scumread.ghor suspect sylencia try park easy vote on cheesecake. ghor sees no reason to mention everyone else but not try convince others that cc scum. sylencia also describe lot of things, but not give interpretationi. too much description, not enough opinion. look scummy. only alignment-opinion in big post are cc and ve. he say risk make strange things, but no say what he think of it. he only say votes on risk too early, and say scum hammer him quickly cause of CC, but if sylencia think CC scum, then why fear his vote will help scum? sylencia say risk do odd thing, no say if scummy or not, sylencia fear risk getting hammered quickly -> sylencia think risk town. wishwash here, scummy part. Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 18:53 Sylencia wrote:
Axle, you're just casually throwing a vote for me when you know when I post? Alright..
My thoughts so far:
- Ghor: Whether this is serious or not, language barriers are going to end up hurting us pretty bad if we don't get usefulness from him soon. Going back to my previous games, I had a Peruvian in the game who was scum (with me) and nothing he did could be interpreted since we weren't sure if it was ocmpletely understood or if he was just doing his own thing. I personally don't like having such a wildcard in the game. His 2 posts so far have shown he hasn't really provided any thought to what has been said and he's keeping the most trivial things secret.
risk
- risk: As noted by others, there've been a few flaws in what he's said, the primary one being the Kenpachi trap statement, with 0 followup and a backtrack of what was implied. I do feel though that the early votes are... a bit early. The vote I dislike the most being CC's vote which is an example of why I don't enjoy throwing around votes on Instant Majority. It'd be too easy to have scum hammer down with few words said.
- Cheesecake: This filter looks atrocious in my eyes, casting an early vote with little thought, yet providing no substance while he's around. Not sure if trolling around is his meta but seems pretty scum from here.
- Axle: As usual, I'm honestly not sure what is being said that often from you.
- Rebirth: Main thing I don't like is the super early 'precaution' vote on VE, it's almost like baiting him into flaming you back hard so you could nail him for it. Doesn't seem like anythign came from it though but still strikes me as odd as to the reasoning behind it.
Q: Is there actually such a thing as the Kenpachi Rule? RoL says he hasn't heard of it, I haven't been around long enough to hear about it at all, and so this oculd be a major point RoL has made if no one has seen this apparent rule in action.
-VE: So far from what I've read, there are solid arguments and reasoning coming from VE with regards to risk, and as far as I can see so far, he's looking the most townie. This can obviously change with flips etc. but so far, he's the one I've got greatest town read on.
I'm pretty much null on the other 2.. As for my vote, I'm wanting to wait for risk to see what he says but I find CC's vote to be just too casual and without providing anything else after just doesn't seem right to me.
##Vote Mr. Cheesecake risk Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 22:52 Sylencia wrote:Axle: I post at 9-10am because that's when I arrive at work, and I have a bit of time to check. I only post then on after 7ish because that's when I get home. As for Kenpachi rule, probably should've googled it but dinner called On April 02 2013 20:21 risk.nuke wrote:
Glad you're capable of discussing anything at all without me.
Cheesecakes early vote on me was a pressure-vote. It was completely fine, What's weird and not fine is he doesn't follow it up or does anything when the person he pressure-voted gains additional votes.
People are asking me about the Kenpachi rule, I actually thought more people knew about it. Ghor, It was discussed in a post game I played one or two years ago, I don't think there were statistics but I remember people praised it's accuracy (before it got outed) Either way I know the post detailing the kenpachi rule was edited out because I tried to find it once.
I'll talk about Hapa after breakfast. Pressure votes work better if you're going to be around to take them off, otherwise it could end up being manslaughter in this game :\ Lazer: There's a difference in timing in that I come in before there's the first fight between VE and nuke (well, I guess I was around to catch the very start of it), meanwhile Hopeless comes in afterwards and ignores everything that went on beforehand only to comment on Ghor instead. this last post ghor also find scummy, only description, no opinion about lazer. look like sylencia feel forced to give pseudo opinion about people he asked about. Sylencia finds Ghor to be a wildcard and scummy. Ghor essentially says in the bolded is, "Sylencia lied about me. I contribute. I do townie things. Sylencia lie." He says that Syl was focusing on other people than his main scumread (me?). Syl was focusing on Ghor being scum in that post, not myself. Why is Syl focusing on Ghor instead of me scummy? It's not ---> Ghor is nervous about something. He then proceeds to tunnel Sylencia the entire day based on this fact. On April 03 2013 01:56 Ghor wrote:
ghor think hopeless braindead if he thinks ghor teammate with risk. ghor pointed out fallacies with risk early, try get proper opinion on him from sylencia.
All reasoning laid out, hopeless not absorb it.
Hopeless, question:
Ghor saw the scumslip you pointed out that was none.Ghor answered to your assessment, what do you deduce from it?
(Ghor deduces it another example of hopeless amazing reading comprehension) Ghor now has a scumread on Hopeless. He thinks Risk / Ghor scumteam, huh? Wrong! I pointed out all of these fallacies. His scumread on Hopeless seems to be based on the fact that Hopeless is an idiot rather than scum. What's really interesting is that Ghor never budges his Syl case and rides it to majority. On April 03 2013 11:04 Ghor wrote:Ghor in conflict, ghor not sure what make of risk. ghor also like hopeless and sylencia as lynch choices. Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 07:01 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 06:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hopeless who even said anything about you saving Sylencia? What are you talking about? What do you believe my motive to be? Trying to put myself in your shoes, I'd suspect (Scum-Hopeless) of being disruptive and/or trying to save (Scum-Sylencia). by the way, inherent in reading two people as scum is everyone else is town. ghor wonders, why you say you saving scum sylencia (cause you probably want to imply your motive is not being disruptive). ghor very curious why say scum sylencia. not simply sylencia, or town sylencia. Keeps Risk and Hopeless as an option but still never considers them seriously. On April 03 2013 20:49 Ghor wrote:ghor want kill sylencia very much, ghor think he look more scummy with each post. Show nested quote +So pretty much, I'm willing to hammer Hopeless here, but if it's town I still see this as looking horrible on Ghor. Not that he wasn't looking horrible to me anyways. this look terrible terrible from sylencia. ghor facepalm, this more than just connection read, this connection justification for later bad push against ghor. whole play look terrible. ghor not need make case, sylencia filter is case. but ghor maybe try to make good case later, if town not convinced.
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##Vote Sylencia Ghors mind: Shit, he's going to hammer Hopeless and I'll look terrible. He also thinks I look terrible anyway. BETTER RIDE THIS SYL LYNCH HOME BABY! Summary: - Ghor initially thinks Syl is scum because he lied about him, and said a bunch of mean things. Syl was pressuring Ghor, and Ghor no like this. - Ghor thinks Hopeless could be scum because he is 'braindead' and thinks Ghor is scum with risk. Only has this read after VE and myself call him out. - For someone who called Syl "Too self-centered", he seems to be very careful about his image and quick to retaliate; people who are suspect of him are his top scumreads. ##Vote: GhorI don't think Risk is scum with Ghor, for the record.
Point 1: I thought Syl was scum for a multitude of reasons, as shown by my numerous cases.
Point 2: Hopeless attacked both you and me for things that weren't true/resulted from reading mistakes. Since it persisted for longer time and he attacked me while I was pressuring sylencia and trying to get answers from him, I assumed it was malicious.
Point 3: Didn't OMGUS risk.nuke, and the "careful about image thing" isn't conform with how I led the Sylencia lynch late in the day. So yeah, two points to falsify this view.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
Point against you:
Point 1 and 2 applied during day1 already.
Point 3 is generalized and not true.
And the fact that you didn't find me scummy for the same points D1 still applies. You say yourself you didn't find me scummy, so you're either saying that you didn't notice it, or you admit that you only call it out as scummy when it fits your needs.
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I am the best count
hopeless1der ( 0 ): risk.nuke
risk.nuke ( 1 ): hopeless1der, Ghor
RebirthOfLegend ( 0 ): LazerMonkey
Mr. Cheesecake ( 2 ): VisceraEyes, risk.nuke, LazerMonkey
Ghor ( 2 ): Mr. Cheesecake, risk.nuke, LazerMonkey
Not Voting ( 2 ): Ghor, RebirthOfLegend
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. If you see a mistake please notify us. This is instant majority lynch.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
It's sad no one posted yet, I'll be away until roughly 29 h for rl business. I'm not dropping my vote until then cause I don't want to do rash things, and I suggest you don't do them either until I'm back.
If someone would be so kind to get RoL to talk, cause currently I don't see much reason to believe that he's town, while he should actually post according to his free time now.
Anyway, I'm off.
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Yeah, I'm starting to get bad feelings from RoL too. But whatever he just a lurker now, and time isn't really a concern.
I will say that I want this day to last until at least I go back to work. I don't want this game to be in another talkless night phase all weekend...although frankly there's little difference these days.
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GUYS STOP LURKING YOU SHITS WHAT THE FUCK
HAPA I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU WERE GONG TO BE STRICT ABOUT PEOPLE ACTUALLY TRYING TO PLAY THE GAME
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I see no point in posting before RoL and Hope gets back. I've been waiting for them to make a move of their own free will.
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On April 07 2013 04:36 risk.nuke wrote:
I see no point in posting before RoL and Hope gets back. I've been waiting for them to make a move of their own free will. This...
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both RoL and I have zero votes on us. Explain to me how I'm responsible for playing the game for you. The fact that people are A) willing to do nothing until we return and
B) wont vote us in the interim
suggests to me that RoL is town. Ghor has made perfect sense regarding what he finds suspicious about risk.nuke. Lazer, you made some reference to ghor is trying to cover up a lie.
On April 05 2013 23:59 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 23:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hey Lazer, got a minute to talk? I need to shine my mind-control beams through your eyes some more.
What do you think about Risk in the past few pages? He is making sense alot of sense. Ghor is trying to justify his lie by bringing up the most crazy fucking accusations I've seen in a while. What about you?
Can you clarify what was going on here, because I thought ghor was going after risk, and you seemed concerned about CC for some reason.
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Because I gave you a chance to prove that you give a shit about this game when you weren't under pressure. Which you didn't take.
RoL promised activity. I have an upcoming exam to study to. I'm not going to waste time discussing with the same old people and decide which one of the active players I want to kill while I still can't get reads on the suspicious lurkers. And Hope you've not been posting for a lot longer then most of us. Your last post was 48 hours ago.
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This is a public warning to RoL for violating activity requirements. I have been slack so far, but this is the third time he has not posted in a 24 hour timeframe. The next violation will result in a modkill.
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On April 07 2013 05:01 Hopeless1der wrote:both RoL and I have zero votes on us. Explain to me how I'm responsible for playing the game for you. The fact that people are A) willing to do nothing until we return and B) wont vote us in the interim suggests to me that RoL is town. Ghor has made perfect sense regarding what he finds suspicious about risk.nuke. Lazer, you made some reference to ghor is trying to cover up a lie. Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 23:59 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 05 2013 23:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hey Lazer, got a minute to talk? I need to shine my mind-control beams through your eyes some more.
What do you think about Risk in the past few pages? He is making sense alot of sense. Ghor is trying to justify his lie by bringing up the most crazy fucking accusations I've seen in a while. What about you? Can you clarify what was going on here, because I thought ghor was going after risk, and you seemed concerned about CC for some reason. I really do not know how you are thinking. You are not responsible for playing the game for me. You are however responsible for playing for yourself and you haven't done that at all. Allmost everyone has expressed some form of suspicion on you and the one major reason you survived D1 with scummy play is that you often play scummy, no matter what alignment you have. The fact that you started to lurk the very second you weren't the number one lynch target simple pisses me off.
Regarding the quote, read the thread.
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I have been rereading the whole thread for the last 3 hours so forgive me for not posting something without substance. So far I have 3/6 filters done.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
Hi, I'll be able to post nonteheless cause I fixed my mobile internet issues. Just screwed up my smurfing in another game so I'd like to have you informed.
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Alrighty. I finished rereading everyones filters. Cheesecake I would like your opinion on both Risk and VE if you would be so kind.
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Alright fuck this. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so.
##vote: VisceraEyes
If cheesecake was scum this thread would not be dead and people would be talking. We are most likely barking up the wrong tree so fuck it. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so and I don't feel like providing any other reasoning apart from saying that he is one of 3 people I am suspicious of.
DO IT UP
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On April 07 2013 12:17 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright fuck this. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so.
##vote: VisceraEyes
If cheesecake was scum this thread would not be dead and people would be talking. We are most likely barking up the wrong tree so fuck it. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so and I don't feel like providing any other reasoning apart from saying that he is one of 3 people I am suspicious of.
DO IT UP
![[image loading]](http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/list/000/314/419/d06.gif)
##Unvote:risk.nuke
##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD
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Very constructive. Who would you have us lynch Mr wonder?
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So does anyone actually disagree about killing VE or can we go ahead and do it? We are only 4 votes off!
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Obviously I would rather kill someone else. *yawn*
RoL if you gave a shit about a dead thread you wouldn't go AFK for days at a time and repeatedly cite lack of reading the thread as your excise for not contributing and then come in and order town to lynch your reference with no reasoning and hurry it along you gots to be kidding.
##unvote
##Vote RoL
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I'm sorry, but you are just voting me without any actual reasoning? I have reasoning, I have just not made it clear yet. Who would you lynch if it wasn't me? I never once cited that I wasn't up to date on the thread as a reason for not contributing. It took me a while to reread the whole game and filters but then I came in and posted just now. I used the dead thread as an observational tool in my analysis. Of my three scum reads atm Cheese is among them, however typically the only time a thread is dead is when the town is not pressuring or attacking a scum player. I have never seen a more dead thread and Cheese was 2 votes away from getting lynched.
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On the other hand, I haven't really seen you put anyone forth as a lynch. The entire day one you never actually pushed a case or provided thoughts on hopeless/sylencia.
Here are some gems from that where you demand others to contribute.
On April 04 2013 06:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ghor would you also like to take a stab at swaying me to Sylencia? I'm here and feeling maleable.
On April 03 2013 04:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
I won't lynch Sylencia today. I DO want to know who Sylencia wants to lynch.
On April 04 2013 02:00 VisceraEyes wrote:Yeah I did miss that. I looked at Sylencia yesterday and decided I don't wanna lynch. Lazer even looked super scummy to me for his case. But I had missed your case and frankly now I'm not so sure where I stand on Sylencia. Here's my problem with Sylencia. Sylencia seems to be lynchbait - has been mislynched repeatedly for (I think) similar reasons you cite. Why guaranteed red flip to you?
This is several posts among the majority of yours. You contribute nothing, demand stuff of others You never truly believed sylencia was red, yet for some reason you hammered the guy. You have an enormous thread presence but you never bothered to find a better lynch or push what you thought.
Tell me, why the fuck would a town VE do that? You have a 6 page filter where you never once do something with conviction.
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On April 07 2013 12:17 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright fuck this. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so.
##vote: VisceraEyes
If cheesecake was scum this thread would not be dead and people would be talking. We are most likely barking up the wrong tree so fuck it. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so and I don't feel like providing any other reasoning apart from saying that he is one of 3 people I am suspicious of.
DO IT UP
I don't see how this is scumindicative.
Who's your other 2 reads. And I I'd like more detailed cases on all 3 of them.
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All I have done, I've done for the town.
Lynch RoL, he's being absolutely ridiculous.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
RoL, can you mention the points for why you have CC and risk as scumreads please? I'm not lynching VE.
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On April 07 2013 22:59 Ghor wrote:
RoL, can you mention the points for why you have CC and risk as scumreads please? I'm not lynching VE.
Ghor-Rol scumslip
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Russian Federation140 Posts
Go ahead and point it out, I'll surely have a few laughs.
Also respond to my previous points please. You ignored it.
On April 05 2013 22:05 Ghor wrote:
I don't see you trying to persuade anyone of switching to hopeless, only say what you prefer. That's not opposing a lynch, as isn't saying you would lynch your null-read over your scumread.
Where do you show to the thread that you even think RoL could be scum since you seemed to have preferred him over sylencia? There is zero effort from you to work towards the objectives you claimed to have.
You could also expand on pointing out what you find weird about CC. Cause finding stuff weird and leaving it at that isn't the best way to follow a trail. Don't you have anything to ask to CC?
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Russian Federation140 Posts
##Vote risk.nuke
I want to know who's with me in lynching him and who thinks he's not scum.
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I think he's scum. Would hammer if given the opportunity.
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Lazy-Host Count:
VisceraEyes ( 1 ): RebirthOfLeGenD
hopeless1der ( 0 ): risk.nuke
risk.nuke ( 1 ): hopeless1der, Ghor
RebirthOfLegend ( 2 ): LazerMonkey, VisceraEyes, Hopeless1der
Mr. Cheesecake ( 1 ): VisceraEyes, risk.nuke, LazerMonkey
Ghor ( 2 ): Mr. Cheesecake, risk.nuke, LazerMonkey
Not Voting ( 0 ):
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. If you see a mistake please notify us. This is instant majority lynch.
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I guess my puking face didn't count. Oh well don't really care between risk and RoL right now.
For the sake of transparency, my vote should be on RoL
##unvote
##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD
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Russian Federation140 Posts
Hopeless you've been pushing risk constantly since D1, I find it odd you would jump so quickly to another candidate after committing so much to pushing risk. Maybe I'll have to reevaluate my reads between you two.
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Holy bandoly batman. RoL wtf are you doing?
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RoL-voters, explain why RoL posting the most lack luster case there ever was on VE and then proceed to lurk once again is indicative of him being scum. Yes, it is terrible play of him but the fact that you vote him for it is even more surprising to me.
RoL is looking like the biggest fucking lynch bait ever and saying that he doesn't care about the game isn't a good enough reason to kill him. Sooo WHY are you voting him now and not before? That makes zero sense...
##Unvote
Hopeless is doing whatever so I dunno if he just is really bad. VE is a good player and I can kill him, he wouldn't do this if he would've been town
Vote: VE
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Russian Federation140 Posts
Risk is a better lynch for the moment, he has made it obvious that he lurks and refuses to answer questions, so he's actively contributing to town being "dead". He also didn't expand on the alleged scumslip he brought up against me. Before I make a case I want to know who supports his lynch.
I can't exclude that RoL is scum so I'd like to wait for him to respond to what he thinks of risk and CC. These three are currently those who look the scummiest to me.
The host still didn't say when he'll want the day to end so it seems like we have time, but people seriously need to step up and start contributing (and reading) more (risk) or we'll end up never hitting scum.
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VE isn't a good lynch today.
The only way i see VE being scum is with Ghor or perhaps lazer. Either way, i dont think VE is scum. I didnt get a scum feelkng from when he did he little tunnel on me
Ghor or Risk is the best lynch. Preferably Ghor <3 dat bias.
@lazer: you had a scumread on RoL and are now voting with him? trollololol?
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Ghor, so what's your thoughts on VE then?
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On April 08 2013 05:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
VE isn't a good lynch today.
The only way i see VE being scum is with Ghor or perhaps lazer. Either way, i dont think VE is scum. I didnt get a scum feelkng from when he did he little tunnel on me
Ghor or Risk is the best lynch. Preferably Ghor <3 dat bias.
@lazer: you had a scumread on RoL and are now voting with him? trollololol? Not my fault VE is obviscum now
. And VE being scum doesn't make RoL town for that matter..
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wait how is VE obviscum...
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Do you not find his vote RoL beyond silly?
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Russian Federation140 Posts
On April 08 2013 05:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
VE isn't a good lynch today.
The only way i see VE being scum is with Ghor or perhaps lazer. Either way, i dont think VE is scum. I didnt get a scum feelkng from when he did he little tunnel on me
Ghor or Risk is the best lynch. Preferably Ghor <3 dat bias.
@lazer: you had a scumread on RoL and are now voting with him? trollololol?
Wait let me get this straight.
You have me as scumread.
You can only see VE as scum if I'm scum.
But either way you don't see VE being scum.
And you have the guy I currently want to lynch as my scumbuddy.
What do you smoke over there?
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Russian Federation140 Posts
I'd like to introduce you to an interesting view.
I want to lynch CC and risk equally.
Risk wants to lynch me and agreed on CC being suspicious. Prefers me for lynch and doesn't ever pressure CC.
CC wants to lynch me and risk, but prefers me for lynch. He doesn't help in getting information out of risk.
Remember CC's early pressure vote and how he said he had no idea how risk could get +2 votes without even commenting on what happened?
@ Lazer
Don't think VE is scum.
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I think one of you or risk is scum. Leaning you.
If you flip red hes probably red. or lazer. I want to see you flip first. Perspective.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
Ghor → Risk, CC
RoL → VE (+ risk and CC?)
VE → CC, RoL
Hopeless → RoL (+risk?)
Risk → Ghor (+hopeless? CC?)
CC → Risk, Ghor
Lazer → VE (+Ghor?)
This is the last thing CC wrote to his scumread risk:
On April 05 2013 09:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Risk
It disappoints the Cake that you have suddenly disappeared. You obviously hate Hopeless, etc and even agree with (at least one) of my thoughts on Ghor. You seem to just pop in, egg VE on to pressure me, and then leave.
Sir, what is your opinion of me? How do you just 'let Hopeless off the hook' as well?
Then, risk.
Notice how risk abandoned all of his earlier scumreads/suspects to go for my lynch when I wrote that case against him, to which he reacted in a very emotional way before fucking off definitely.
CC, explain what makes you think risk is scum.
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Hard to write on a phone but okay.
Gimme a few.
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1) The fact that he voted me, said my interactions were suspect with lazer, but did nothing to pressure me. He let VE do all of the work. He basically sheepes VE and says "fuck yeah thats suspect, you're right VE lets lynch CC.... but did nothing to do so.
2) He expressednhis distaste for you rigt after my huge case. He knew it would be safe to call you out after i had.
3) ghor-RoL scumslip thing... lol. rly.
4) seems to neglect pressuring scumreads. instead pops on wagons.
couple other things but
i cant quote much or type on this phone well
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I have a few responses to type up when i get home as well.
i want to flesh out my cases and respond to your questions / comments ghor
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On April 07 2013 23:16 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 22:59 Ghor wrote:
RoL, can you mention the points for why you have CC and risk as scumreads please? I'm not lynching VE. Ghor-Rol scumslip
RoL claim two scumreads
Ghor knew it was me and CC.
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Lol Host made a mistake before co host Count:
VisceraEyes ( 2 ): RebirthOfLeGenD, LazerMonkey
hopeless1der ( 0 ): risk.nuke
risk.nuke ( 1 ): hopeless1der, Ghor
RebirthOfLegend ( 2 ): LazerMonkey, VisceraEyes, Hopeless1der
Mr. Cheesecake ( 0 ): VisceraEyes, risk.nuke, LazerMonkey
Ghor ( 2 ): Mr. Cheesecake, risk.nuke, LazerMonkey
Not Voting ( 0 ):
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. If you see a mistake please notify us. This is instant majority lynch.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
On April 08 2013 07:35 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 23:16 risk.nuke wrote:On April 07 2013 22:59 Ghor wrote:
RoL, can you mention the points for why you have CC and risk as scumreads please? I'm not lynching VE. Ghor-Rol scumslip RoL claim two scumreads Ghor knew it was me and CC.
Hey risk, how about answering the questions. Fyi, I deduced that from RoL's filter in the course of two or three posts. Let's see if you can find them.
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I'm not bothering with you anymore Ghor. You're not so retarded that you could actually be town, just lay down and die.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
I don't have time to play these games actually, here.
RoL asks Cheesecake opinions about both risk and VE. Surprise!
VE and Cheesecake are his scumreads, so what's risk going to be?
On April 07 2013 07:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alrighty. I finished rereading everyones filters. Cheesecake I would like your opinion on both Risk and VE if you would be so kind.
On April 07 2013 12:17 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright fuck this. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so.
##vote: VisceraEyes
If cheesecake was scum this thread would not be dead and people would be talking. We are most likely barking up the wrong tree so fuck it. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so and I don't feel like providing any other reasoning apart from saying that he is one of 3 people I am suspicious of.
DO IT UP
On April 07 2013 16:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I'm sorry, but you are just voting me without any actual reasoning? I have reasoning, I have just not made it clear yet. Who would you lynch if it wasn't me? I never once cited that I wasn't up to date on the thread as a reason for not contributing. It took me a while to reread the whole game and filters but then I came in and posted just now. I used the dead thread as an observational tool in my analysis. Of my three scum reads atm Cheese is among them, however typically the only time a thread is dead is when the town is not pressuring or attacking a scum player. I have never seen a more dead thread and Cheese was 2 votes away from getting lynched.
Anyway rereading this shit I feel like lynching RoL as well. I just noticed he went scum->town-> scum on Cheese
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Russian Federation140 Posts
Basic deductive skills, mr. scumslip. You're not lynching me anytime soon I fear.
You on the other hand have a lot to explain.
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I knew from your first post about it I was dead right on the scumslip and your later posts have only confirmed it.
On April 07 2013 12:17 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright fuck this. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so.
##vote: VisceraEyes
If cheesecake was scum this thread would not be dead and people would be talking. We are most likely barking up the wrong tree so fuck it. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so and I don't feel like providing any other reasoning apart from saying that he is one of 3 people I am suspicious of.
DO IT UP
In this post RoL's saying CC isn't scum. So why would you assume that he is a scumread. You wouldn't. RoL posted the three of us in the scumqt.
You're not so arrogant that you would assume you knew the scumreads.
Your defense that it was obvious from his posts doesn't hold up.
I would lynch you for this alone but coincidentally your last actions was to lead a bandwagon against a flipped townie.
Afterwards your reaction wasn't to look over people who sheeped you onto the case but your top scumread was the person who opposed it. Bullshitcase, bullshit train of thoughts.
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I solved the game. Can we hammer them so I can leave this wretched city?
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Russian Federation140 Posts
In the latest post RoL mentions CC as scumread, and it's not hard to guess that you are the third since he apparently asked a scumread of his out about another scumread of his. You were the only guy he didn't openly talk about.
I wrote the stuff several hours after RoL's last post, so I had way of knowing/assuming what his scumreads were.
You only quote his first post as evidence, where he says CC is not scum, but in the latest he says the opposite, so
1. He said that he has CC as scumread.
2. The funniest thing about this, you shouldn't even know if you're right. So you're basically doing something similar to what you're accusing me of:
You say I couldn't know if you are his scumread, but how are you supposed to know that you are REALLY his scumread? Instead you say it's a scumslip, cause you must know that you really are his scumslip?
Did RoL correct me?Did he confirm it?Why are you so sure then that it's really his scumread, but without showing where you got that from (cause if you knew it, you would know mine wasn't a scumslip)
Since I have a deductive base where I got that from (and you didn't properly read RoL's posts else you would know he said he currently has CC as scum), you just slipped truly, by your own definition.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
EBWOP:
Instead you say it's a scumslip, cause you must know that you really are his scumread?
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Russian Federation140 Posts
Here, risk, I'll repeat it just for you:
Alrighty. I finished rereading everyones filters. Cheesecake I would like your opinion on both Risk and VE if you would be so kind.
Alright fuck this. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so.
On April 07 2013 16:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I'm sorry, but you are just voting me without any actual reasoning? I have reasoning, I have just not made it clear yet. Who would you lynch if it wasn't me? I never once cited that I wasn't up to date on the thread as a reason for not contributing. It took me a while to reread the whole game and filters but then I came in and posted just now. I used the dead thread as an observational tool in my analysis. Of my three scum reads atm Cheese is among them, however typically the only time a thread is dead is when the town is not pressuring or attacking a scum player. I have never seen a more dead thread and Cheese was 2 votes away from getting lynched.
Of the three people he mentioned in quote 1, 2 were scumreads, so what will the third be?
And yes, I am so arrogant to assume I know his last scumread.
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On April 08 2013 07:49 Ghor wrote:I don't have time to play these games actually, here. RoL asks Cheesecake opinions about both risk and VE. Surprise! VE and Cheesecake are his scumreads, so what's risk going to be? Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 07:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alrighty. I finished rereading everyones filters. Cheesecake I would like your opinion on both Risk and VE if you would be so kind. Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 12:17 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright fuck this. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so.
##vote: VisceraEyes
If cheesecake was scum this thread would not be dead and people would be talking. We are most likely barking up the wrong tree so fuck it. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so and I don't feel like providing any other reasoning apart from saying that he is one of 3 people I am suspicious of.
DO IT UP Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 16:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I'm sorry, but you are just voting me without any actual reasoning? I have reasoning, I have just not made it clear yet. Who would you lynch if it wasn't me? I never once cited that I wasn't up to date on the thread as a reason for not contributing. It took me a while to reread the whole game and filters but then I came in and posted just now. I used the dead thread as an observational tool in my analysis. Of my three scum reads atm Cheese is among them, however typically the only time a thread is dead is when the town is not pressuring or attacking a scum player. I have never seen a more dead thread and Cheese was 2 votes away from getting lynched. Anyway rereading this shit I feel like lynching RoL as well. I just noticed he went scum->town-> scum on Cheese
I never once said I thought CC was town. I specified that among my three scum reads, the inactivity during the day while cheese was on the table would seem to indicate that of my 3 scum reads he could be wrong. Even though I still find his behavior suspect.
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On April 08 2013 08:45 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 07:49 Ghor wrote:I don't have time to play these games actually, here. RoL asks Cheesecake opinions about both risk and VE. Surprise! VE and Cheesecake are his scumreads, so what's risk going to be? On April 07 2013 07:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alrighty. I finished rereading everyones filters. Cheesecake I would like your opinion on both Risk and VE if you would be so kind. On April 07 2013 12:17 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright fuck this. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so.
##vote: VisceraEyes
If cheesecake was scum this thread would not be dead and people would be talking. We are most likely barking up the wrong tree so fuck it. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so and I don't feel like providing any other reasoning apart from saying that he is one of 3 people I am suspicious of.
DO IT UP On April 07 2013 16:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I'm sorry, but you are just voting me without any actual reasoning? I have reasoning, I have just not made it clear yet. Who would you lynch if it wasn't me? I never once cited that I wasn't up to date on the thread as a reason for not contributing. It took me a while to reread the whole game and filters but then I came in and posted just now. I used the dead thread as an observational tool in my analysis. Of my three scum reads atm Cheese is among them, however typically the only time a thread is dead is when the town is not pressuring or attacking a scum player. I have never seen a more dead thread and Cheese was 2 votes away from getting lynched. Anyway rereading this shit I feel like lynching RoL as well. I just noticed he went scum->town-> scum on Cheese I never once said I thought CC was town. I specified that among my three scum reads, the inactivity during the day while cheese was on the table would seem to indicate that of my 3 scum reads he could be wrong. Even though I still find his behavior suspect.
If cheesecake was scum this thread would not be dead and people would be talking. We are most likely barking up the wrong tree so fuck it
On April 07 2013 22:59 Ghor wrote:
RoL, can you mention the points for why you have CC and risk as scumreads please? I'm not lynching VE.
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Risk's latest posting only served to solidify his place on my scum list. I would be open to killing him instead of VE, But I am curious to how you feel about that VE?
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Missed, that he said CC was amongst his scumreads. Doesn't change anything about me or the previous reasons you're scum. Lay down and die. RoL will follow right behind you I can promise you that.
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Risk, if you were town you'd have simply been better off answering my questions instead of playing angry kid.
You're not going to get me lynched, and I want to know if you're really scum, so just answer the damn questions asked two days ago.
You've started acting really emotionally and irrational since I've made that case on you, and that doesn't look good for the rest of the thread I can assure that.
I have noted:
You said you found CC suspicious, but you unvoted him quickly after your pressure vote and lost interest. You pushed hopeless since D1, but dropped that entirely to attack me once I declared I wanted to lynch you, and contributed in letting the thread die by ignoring my discussion.Plus, all the reasons listed here.
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On April 08 2013 08:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Risk's latest posting only served to solidify his place on my scum list. I would be open to killing him instead of VE, But I am curious to how you feel about that VE?
Nice try but townies wouldn't care what their top scumread thinks. Unless you're trying to get more information out of him to determine his alignment, but that shouldn't be necessary since he's your top scumread and you know he's scum right. So why did you direct that question to your top scumread over other people. Because he have townie influence. Hello scumagenda.
With scum like these, who needs townies. Good thing because I don't seem to have any.
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To clarify I don't have him on my list of townies, He would be null/scum. There are many times in my history of mafia where I have looked at a thread's activity and thought "we are probably doing this wrong" and there are many times where I said "We are just so right the mafia is just content with the bus"
I was right on the first part every time, and everytime I assumed the second part I was wrong. Even in a game with only two scum it's easy for me to rationalize why the thread could be inactive while we are on the right track, but like I said, any rationalization of why I should ignore thread activity as an indicator has always proven wrong in the end.
So while I believed CC to be scum leading up to the thread completely dying I am less confident now the thread has died.
As for Risk.nuke, the recent posting is aggressive/bullying and not even close to productive. There was no scum slip, I inferred he was my scumread and you picked up on it. It's not too hard. I was initially planning on slow playing my scum reads assuming I could get responses but the thread was so dead I decided to attempt to drum up activity through causing chaos.
Mission pseudo-success?
Note the activity difference since we started considering VE and Risk.nuke as scum candidates compared to the entire two days preceding it? It's noticeably more active. Not to say that is a finalizing indicator that we are going the right way, but it definitely doesn't make me think we are going the wrong way in the same way that the CC lynch made me feel.
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On April 08 2013 08:54 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 08:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Risk's latest posting only served to solidify his place on my scum list. I would be open to killing him instead of VE, But I am curious to how you feel about that VE? Nice try but townies wouldn't care what their top scumread thinks. Unless you're trying to get more information out of him to determine his alignment, but that shouldn't be necessary since he's your top scumread and you know he's scum right. So why did you direct that question to your top scumread over other people. Because he have townie influence. Hello scumagenda. With scum like these, who needs townies. Good thing because I don't seem to have any.
I'm always curious to what people think because unlike you who probably knows every players alignment I concede there is a chance my read can be wrong and a players thoughts could be worthwhile later. Alternatively it allows me to interpret what they attempt to do and decide how much wifom to go into.
Suck it.
##Unvote: VisceraEyes
##Vote: Risk.nuke
If anyone cares to read his posting it's abrasive as shit and jumps on stupid tells/slips the whole game. Risk.nuke sucks and needs to die.
Can we agree on this ghur?
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I simply want him to respond to the points like a normal, calm dude before I decide that he's worth today's hammer.
I'm curious to see if he's actually able to take back the scumread from me.
He's being extremely abrasive and sounds pretty paranoid right now ("You don't want to know stuff from your top scumread"), so I'm not excluding he's just a pissed off townie who thinks he's being tackled by two scummers.
I need him to talk civil before deciding.
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RoL, why do I just have no idea what your alignment is? I went through Bang Bang, Storm Mafia, LVIII. Were you town in BB and SM?
Can you give me an opinion on Lazermonkey and what you think of him being the only one calling you lynch bait when everyone else has no fucking clue or thinks you're scum?
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I don't recall my alignments in those games.
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Also you are talking about games that are years old and shouldn't be relied upon to draw an inference of my alignment.
I have a decently strong town read on Lazermonkey.
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HEY GUYS WHY ISN'T RISK.NUKE DEAD YET?!?
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Because he hasn't gotten to 4 votes yet.
Until then he remains not dead.
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So cheesecake what do you think about our situation?
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Sleepy Count:
VisceraEyes ( 1 ): RebirthOfLeGenD, LazerMonkey
hopeless1der ( 0 ): risk.nuke
risk.nuke ( 2 ): hopeless1der, Ghor, RebirthOfLeGenD
RebirthOfLegend ( 2 ): LazerMonkey, VisceraEyes, Hopeless1der
Mr. Cheesecake ( 0 ): VisceraEyes, risk.nuke, LazerMonkey
Ghor ( 2 ): Mr. Cheesecake, risk.nuke, LazerMonkey
Not Voting ( 0 ):
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. If you see a mistake please notify us. This is instant majority lynch.
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I really just really really wanna kill Cheese. Is that so wrong? IS THAT SO WRONG?!
##Unvote
##Vote: Mr.Cheesecake
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On April 08 2013 15:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
I really just really really wanna kill Cheese. Is that so wrong? IS THAT SO WRONG?!
##Unvote
##Vote: Mr.Cheesecake So what happend with RoL? —.—
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I'm not scum. Can you both just kill risk.nuke already?
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Tell me why you don't want to kill Cheese and I'll consider it. Strongly.
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As I stated before. I feel cheese is scummy but I find the 2 days of utter silence with him at L-2 and being the main lynch candidate very unnerving.
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Where the shit is hopeless when his scumread risk is at risk?
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On April 05 2013 04:43 Ghor wrote:
In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case.
This still bugs me, Ghor. Why did you blame people for dropping 'casually' onto the sylencia lynch when it was T-minus 5 minutes to deadline and it was going to be a no-lyncher? I think we had 4 people do it; Hopeless, and simultaneously almost: VE,Risk, and myself last minute.
It's weird because you never mention VE at all (he was 'trying to be convinced' remember), but call the rest of us out for it. You also complain that we dropped casually, but wasn't that the goal of your case against Syl? To get us to vote him?
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can we lynch risk and be done with it?
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I decide when the hammer falls. You're not even voting him, Hopeless.
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I really just wanna kill Ghor. Y u no want to, Hopeless
One of these fuckers is scum right now and I want it to be Ghor so bad.
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Would you argue that Ghor is more likely to be scum than you, VE, or Risk? All I've seen you do is post how you want to kill him without so much as a line of reasoning.
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On April 09 2013 00:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 04:43 Ghor wrote:
In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case. This still bugs me, Ghor. Why did you blame people for dropping 'casually' onto the sylencia lynch when it was T-minus 5 minutes to deadline and it was going to be a no-lyncher? I think we had 4 people do it; Hopeless, and simultaneously almost: VE,Risk, and myself last minute. It's weird because you never mention VE at all (he was 'trying to be convinced' remember), but call the rest of us out for it. You also complain that we dropped casually, but wasn't that the goal of your case against Syl? To get us to vote him?
I don't know if I was biased there, but my feeling about you and risk especially was that you didn't care about your own scumreads at that point, and you (CC) sheeped my case while I was your scumread, I find your reasoning back then to not have been transparent. Coupled with you making a case on me about things that happened long ago when you were visibly active added enough for me to think you're scum, and you never responded to this point afaik despite it being mentioned multiple times.
The way VE went about it, unsure and not rash didn't give me the impression that he just wanted to get over with mislynching a townie quickly. And Sylencia did indeed look scummy.
Risk seemed to not be wanting to lynch Sylencia, but he didn't feel like defending him either and constantly mentioned both points in favor and disfavor instead of arguing why his only scumread at the point, hopeless, would be a better lynch. In retrospect he refers to Sylencia as townread when trying to claim townie points for it, but then again he referred to him as null read when justifying the hammer on him. Not to mention his OMGUS vote and overreaction after my case on him, coupled with not wanting to discuss things in the thread.
So much for making my reasons for my current stance clear.
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After this part, I went back through something and I'd like to play some advocatus diaboli with myself.
Before the D1 lynch, VE claimed that he wanted to lynch hopeless, and asked people to convince him to prefer Sylencia over Hopeless. Before slowly moving to Sylencia, he actually called hopeless scummy for something, but never voted for him or pushed his lynch afterwards (and a lot in town wanted to lynch hopeless)
On April 03 2013 06:51 VisceraEyes wrote:I feel like he got caught with his pants down trying to tiptoe around a risk.nuke lynch. He was indirectly supporting the risk.nuke wagon without adding his vote. Regardless of risk.nuke's alignment, that's a suspicious action out of Hopeless. If at the time he felt like risk.nuke was scum (which his whole association BS is supposing) then there's no reason for him to be indirectly supporting the wagon while trying to start a counter-wagon on someone else. Furthermore he lied about it in the thread. Observe. Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 01:32 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 01:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hopeless... On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
##unvote: VE
##Vote: Risk.nuke
It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you? Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument? On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote:
VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant. If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule? No I don't. Doesn't seem all that legit to me.
On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal. Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town. At this point in time risk had 3 votes on him. You kinda threw some shit at him and called him scummy. What was your intention with this post? I think risk is scummy but didn't want the day to end that soon. Also wanted to see if anyone agreed with my assessment of the supposed scumslip. Ghor is annoying as all hell and his intentions behind voting sylencia do not match with his scum read on risk.nuke. He wants sylencia to commit to some type of a read on risk and when he refuses to do so, calls him scum for it. No where does he validate why this is scummy. Combine that with what appears to be a trolling smurf hellbent on behaving like a caveman, and I think he's a good choice for lynch. Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 01:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 01:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hopeless if you really felt that way your vote would be on risk.nuke. You're accusing Ghor of being risk's "scumbuddy" because he's not voting for risk. What the hell are you doing? Not voting for risk. You say Ghor is attacking Sylencia in lieu of pushing risk.nuke. What are you doing? Attacking Ghor in lieu of pushing risk.nuke. Your play is wholly and completely contradictory and scummy as sin. Do you have anything to say for yourself? My vote on ghor was to get him to answer my bloody question about his stance on risk instead of directing me to his filter. ##Unvote: Ghor
##Vote: risk.nuke When confronted about his vote on Ghor he says it was to get him to answer his question, but as you can see from the first post, he clearly says that he feels like Ghor should be considered for lynch today. Inconsistent. Scummy.
Which is something that I could see VE doing if he's hopeless' scumbuddy. And I don't see how he just completely skips the strong point he's made against hopeless to ask people to win him over to a sylencia lynch.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
This looks like early "playful" interaction between scumbuddies.
Casual pressure vote, no serious questions, no serious answers. Risk doesn't feel threatened, CC is fine that he doesn't answer, so his own question doesn't seem to really matter to him.
More importantly, after risk gained two votes, he refers to CC's vote as being "fine, it's just a pressure vote" before Cheese even came back to the thread to unvote.
He had no way of knowing how Cheese would react to what had been posted about risk and visibly didn't take that vote as serious even before Cheese came back. He does say it's odd that Cheese was still voting him and completely disappeared after the initial phase, but when Cheese comes back, risk ignores him and proceeds to pushing for hopeless.
When Cheese came back, he even said he has no idea about why people voted risk, without commenting on the evidence or even acting consistently with the fact that he noticed risk lurking in early game already.
In summary, I sense a whole lot of acting and carelessness about finding each other's alignment between the two, despite acting like they're both an early focus of each other initially.
On April 02 2013 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 08:29 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 02 2013 07:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 02 2013 07:46 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 02 2013 07:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Blah blah blah policy blah blah On April 02 2013 07:36 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 02 2013 07:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, but policy-lynching them? That seems a little over-the-top in a 9 player game. Policy-lynching anyone in a 9 player game just seems like a bad idea. It's certainly something to factor in, but not killing someone over. In my experience, townies are more likely to lolhammer than scum are. Scum are generally much more careful in how they vote and if they hammer someone are much more likely to explain why thoroughly.
I don't support your policy. My problem is this: if we don't establish a HARD policy then we might end up in a really hairy situation where someone hammers a guy in a completely retarded way, and everyone will start defending him using the argument "but scum wouldn't be THAT dumb and suspicious". If everyone simply agrees with the policy then we will avoid stuff like that. Policy: Don't go full retard mode if you're town. Savvy? You'd think this would be common sense by now. Define retard mode. Isthat hammering someone too fast? Or something else? Do you agree with my points or not? Be sensible about your hammer vote and explain it yada yada yada. You're policy lynch proposal is bullshit, because half the thread wouldn't follow through with it. How someone goes about voting and hammering is what should be looked at, not just "lol he emotionally hammered the townzorz must be scum" Listen to the Mafia scumcast (Hapa had a bunch of stuff to say about British II in it pertaining to instant majority). Has a bunch of goodies in it. I never claimed that ignoring normal scum tells is the way to go but w/e. So you are saying that my policy is bullshit because noone would follow it but I think that is a very bad reasoning. Either you think my policy is bullshit because the reasoning is bullshit or you think the policy is good but that it will be hard for everyone to follow it and therefore quite useless policy ( or you simply agree with it but that doesn't seem to be the case ^^). I do think it is a useless policy if half of the players in the game simply disagrees with it. But in theory, if we could guarantee that everyone would follow the policy, would you agree with the points I made? No. I generally think policy lynches suck. And i dont think ive ever seen one work out for the best. Meanwhile ##vote: risk.nuke because said hi but doesnt wanna be nice and talk with us.
On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Worst vote ever.
On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On the contrary, best vote ever.
On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal.
On April 02 2013 08:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Sooo risky, what say you to lazers policy shenannies?
On April 02 2013 08:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 08:48 risk.nuke wrote:
You want me to spoil the ending and hand you the key to the test? Well i sure don't feel like studying.
On April 02 2013 20:21 risk.nuke wrote:
Glad you're capable of discussing anything at all without me.
Cheesecakes early vote on me was a pressure-vote. It was completely fine, What's weird and not fine is he doesn't follow it up or does anything when the person he pressure-voted gains additional votes.
People are asking me about the Kenpachi rule, I actually thought more people knew about it. Ghor, It was discussed in a post game I played one or two years ago, I don't think there were statistics but I remember people praised it's accuracy (before it got outed) Either way I know the post detailing the kenpachi rule was edited out because I tried to find it once.
I'll talk about Hapa after breakfast.
On April 02 2013 22:28 iamperfection wrote:Perfect count Risk.Nuke ( 3 ): Mr. Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, RebirthOfLeGenD VisceraEyes ( 0 ): RebirthOfLeGenD Sylencia ( 0 ): AxleGreaser Mr. CheeseCake ( 1 ): Sylencia Not Voting ( 5 ): AxleGreaser, Risk.Nuke, Ghor, Hopeless1der, LazerMonkey With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. This is instant majority lynch. If you see a mistake please notify us.
On April 03 2013 00:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Jesus you guys are active while I'm asleep. ##UnvoteI don't think we should lynch Risk today. How I got +2 to my pressure vote is beyond me. In regards to Sylencia's vote, cool -- Good to see you're paying attention. Nothing was happening so I slapped down a vote on Risk. 20 minutes passed and nothing from him so I went to bed. Now we have shit to work with. What alarmed me the most was RoL's vote. He explains it here. Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 16:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
No, I explained with my vote why I had been doing it. I expanded on my reasoning in my last post. The last post showed risk.nuke continuing to do what I originally outlined. Like I said, it was like he was looking for someone to pick up the slack of the kenpachi tell. This seems a far cry to think someone is scum. Oh, it looked like he was waiting for someone to sheep the Kenpachi tell... really? I'm not a fan "it looked like he was doing something potentially scummy" instead of "yeah, this is scummy" I can't clearly read a thing Axle posts, at least Ghor I understand... Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 22:32 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 02 2013 22:27 AxleGreaser wrote:On April 02 2013 22:15 Lazermonkey wrote:
Howdy folks!
@Axle: I take L-1 as one vote from lynch, am I correct?
Regarding risk: I'm not confident in voting him at the moment. While I agree that the "kenpachi-incident" makes him look kinda bad, he defended himself in a way I'm not sure scum would. I'd say that this could just as well be a strange town play rather than scum and it really comes down to WIFOM to figure out which one it is. + Show Spoiler + TBMK: in general use, L-1 = Lynch -1 = 1 more vote to Lynch. We are currently at L-2. So if you are "not confident in voting him at the moment.".... what do ? I'd actually not talk about my (potential)scum read just yet. I want a certain interaction to be happening first. Most probebly, that will occour later today. Lazer I want you to answer this question. Why do you use the parenthetical (potential)? How is somebody your potential scumread... scum have potential scumreads, town just have scumreads or town reads. Were you just waiting for somebody to slip up so you could call them out?
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The time is ripe guys, let's lynch risk or CC already. If one flips scum, we know what to do with the other.
You have my seal of approval for the hammer.
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I'd say that it is terribly dangerous to make pre-flip accusations. If you try hard enough, you can find connections between any players in the game and pointing out how they would make sense if they are both scum.
Ghor, do you really have no preferance between risk and CC?
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LM what is your preference between risk and CC?
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On April 09 2013 01:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'd say that it is terribly dangerous to make pre-flip accusations. If you try hard enough, you can find connections between any players in the game and pointing out how they would make sense if they are both scum.
Ghor, do you really have no preferance between risk and CC?
I'm currently rereading the whole thread and half through. I see a lot of potentially scummy stuff, that's the problem.
Currently I'm at the part where Axle pressures hopeless: www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18187743
and I'm considering his scumread of hopeless together with the fact that Axle was NKd, which would usually be a weird choice, but he wanted to kill hopeless.
Lazer can you dig through that part as well and give me an opinion of hopeless? He actually did lots of scummy stuff early and most of his risk case, shortly after Axle's case is pretty laughable imo.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Risk.Nuke
Ghor, I feel like we're going in a circle with our discussions. I think I've answered many of your questions, and it's just been lost in translation. We aren't getting anywhere with our back-and-forths.
The fact that you're putting in infinitely more effort than Risk makes me re-analyze things from a different perspective. Part of me doesn't believe you, or doesn't want to believe you.
I will say this: I am not scum. If Risk is red, he's done a good job of ensuring that our interactions seem like scumbuddy material. We will see this flip. If he's red, you guys can lynch me tomorrow if you feel strongly about it. However, I will be working intensively to find his scumbuddy in the meantime if you decide to hammer me on Day 3. This Risk-CC scumteam thing is a large misconception.
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Not so fast, let's discuss hopeless a little more now that there's 4 of us in the thread.
He has not been contributing anything lately even when his scumread risk is up for lynch. No attempts at persuading people, Axle who thought he was scum got NKd, a guy who is considered Chezinuish, and he said a lot of heavily inconsistent things regarding me early.
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I find it infuriating that he won't vote you.
He did, after all, consider you scum.
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And a lot of people thought he was scum. The NK has nothing to do with an alignment, imo.
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Hopeless what are your reads currently?
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HOPELESS
Do you not think Ghor is scum still? You said you were 'less convinced' but I don't recall anything recently regarding Ghor. You seem to arise the minute RoL comes in and vote him for doing a stupid VE vote.
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On April 09 2013 02:02 Ghor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 01:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'd say that it is terribly dangerous to make pre-flip accusations. If you try hard enough, you can find connections between any players in the game and pointing out how they would make sense if they are both scum.
Ghor, do you really have no preferance between risk and CC? I'm currently rereading the whole thread and half through. I see a lot of potentially scummy stuff, that's the problem. Currently I'm at the part where Axle pressures hopeless: www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18187743and I'm considering his scumread of hopeless together with the fact that Axle was NKd, which would usually be a weird choice, but he wanted to kill hopeless. Lazer can you dig through that part as well and give me an opinion of hopeless? He actually did lots of scummy stuff early and most of his risk case, shortly after Axle's case is pretty laughable imo. If you have the time, I'd suggest you to skim through of his other town games. hopeless is a known lynch bait and for that matter I feel very uncomfortable with lynching him just because his play is lacking.
Anyhow, I don't feel like killing hopeless today.
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EBWOP: And for those of you who doesn't have time or doesn't care enough to check his older games, active lurking and only being active once pressured was a common trait in alot of his games.
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LAZER YOU CALL EVERYONE LYNCH BAIT STOP IT
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On April 09 2013 02:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
LM what is your preference between risk and CC? I do think it would be quite clear if you had read my filter that I prefer CC as a lynch, thank you for taking your time TT
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Russian Federation140 Posts
A few observations about the votecounts:
- risk and CC always vote for the same stuff. But CC has risk as scum.
- Risk and CC tried to switch last minute to Sylencia, but apparently didn't play a role in the lynch. Why didn't they summarize their points against Hopeless before the lynch?
- Hopeless is a jumpy voter, a case bitch.
On April 04 2013 07:00 Hapahauli wrote:HOST COUNT risk.nuke ( 0): Mr. Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, RebirthOfLeGenD, Hopeless1der VisceraEyes ( 0 ): RebirthOfLeGenD Sylencia ( 5 ): AxleGreaser, Ghor, Lazermonkey, Ghor, Hopeless1der, AxleGreaser, VisceraEyes Mr. Cheesecake ( 1 ): Sylencia, RebirthOfLeGenD Ghor ( 0 ): Hopeless1der , Hopeless1derHopeless1der ( 2 ): VisceraEyes, risk.nuke, Mr. Cheesecake, Ghor, Hopeless1der, AxleGreaser Not Voting ( 1 ): Sylencia With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Sylencia has been lynched.
On April 08 2013 14:43 Hapahauli wrote:Sleepy Count: VisceraEyes ( 1 ): RebirthOfLeGenD, LazerMonkey hopeless1der ( 0 ): risk.nuke risk.nuke ( 2 ): hopeless1der, Ghor, RebirthOfLeGenD RebirthOfLegend ( 2 ): LazerMonkey, VisceraEyes, Hopeless1der Mr. Cheesecake ( 0 ): VisceraEyes, risk.nuke, LazerMonkey Ghor ( 2 ): Mr. Cheesecake, risk.nuke, LazerMonkey Not Voting ( 0 ): With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. If you see a mistake please notify us. This is instant majority lynch.
On April 09 2013 02:17 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 02:02 Ghor wrote:On April 09 2013 01:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'd say that it is terribly dangerous to make pre-flip accusations. If you try hard enough, you can find connections between any players in the game and pointing out how they would make sense if they are both scum.
Ghor, do you really have no preferance between risk and CC? I'm currently rereading the whole thread and half through. I see a lot of potentially scummy stuff, that's the problem. Currently I'm at the part where Axle pressures hopeless: www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18187743and I'm considering his scumread of hopeless together with the fact that Axle was NKd, which would usually be a weird choice, but he wanted to kill hopeless. Lazer can you dig through that part as well and give me an opinion of hopeless? He actually did lots of scummy stuff early and most of his risk case, shortly after Axle's case is pretty laughable imo. If you have the time, I'd suggest you to skim through of his other town games. hopeless is a known lynch bait and for that matter I feel very uncomfortable with lynching him just because his play is lacking. Anyhow, I don't feel like killing hopeless today.
You were comfortable killing Sylencia though. Why defend RoL and hopeless as lynch bait but not Sylencia?
I feel really troubled about guessing who's scum currently. Why doesn't anyone bring a few strong points to the table? I feel like most of town tries to shoot fish in a barrel. I need some help in here
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On April 08 2013 09:12 Ghor wrote:
RoL, why do I just have no idea what your alignment is? I went through Bang Bang, Storm Mafia, LVIII. Were you town in BB and SM?
Can you give me an opinion on Lazermonkey and what you think of him being the only one calling you lynch bait when everyone else has no fucking clue or thinks you're scum? While I'm obviously not RoL (duh -.-), I want to expand a little bit on this as it is the main reason I'm voting VE.
RoL were for all of D1 and during the beginning of D2 a lurker. When he actually started to post during D2, the first thing he did was to vote VE without any reasoning what so ever and then asking if everyone else were happy with killing VE. This is bad town play. But also terrible terrible scum play. VE should be good enough to know this. but yet he votes RoL. And I'm not calling RoL town for this, in fact he could be scum with VE. But that's not the point. The point is that VE was not voting or suspecting RoL during the time he lurked but only when he derped, trying to justify a vote for RoLs bad play, even though it's not indicative of RoL being scum.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
How can the difference between D1 and D2 be so huge for hopeless? The differences in cases and activity are just massive, since people stopped discussing him for lynch he has not been doing anything, compared to D1 where he was under pressure.
I feel he does deserve a lynch. There's so much looking scummy from many players but he has just shown that he lurks without interest when he's not under pressure. He also doesn't seem to care about who gets lynched or try to be a part of discussion or influence the thread when he's not up for lynch. I think that's indicative of him being scum. He also lurks and doesn't seem to want to answer.
##Vote hopeless1der
It would be much easier to find scum if more people were active -_-
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If I feel a day is dragging on too long, I will set a lynch-deadline for that day.
This day will end in 28 hours.
If you do not lynch someone, there will be a no-lynch.
Thaaaaaaaaaaanks.
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Well, that is interesting!
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Russian Federation140 Posts
+ Show Spoiler +On April 09 2013 02:35 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 09:12 Ghor wrote:
RoL, why do I just have no idea what your alignment is? I went through Bang Bang, Storm Mafia, LVIII. Were you town in BB and SM?
Can you give me an opinion on Lazermonkey and what you think of him being the only one calling you lynch bait when everyone else has no fucking clue or thinks you're scum? While I'm obviously not RoL (duh -.-), I want to expand a little bit on this as it is the main reason I'm voting VE. RoL were for all of D1 and during the beginning of D2 a lurker. When he actually started to post during D2, the first thing he did was to vote VE without any reasoning what so ever and then asking if everyone else were happy with killing VE. This is bad town play. But also terrible terrible scum play. VE should be good enough to know this. but yet he votes RoL. And I'm not calling RoL town for this, in fact he could be scum with VE. But that's not the point. The point is that VE was not voting or suspecting RoL during the time he lurked but only when he derped, trying to justify a vote for RoLs bad play, even though it's not indicative of RoL being scum.
I've seen scum play obviously anti-town or "too scummy to be scum" as well. That defense is a little wifomy. Check out Dandel Ion in British Mafia II, he was trolling and not giving a fuck about the game all day.
We need to find out who's actually disinterested in finding scum. Who looks too sure too quickly about his reads.Who wants to hammer fast. Who's only active when under pressure.
If scum plays well they can simulate these points but given that the thread was so dead I don't think they have felt the need to put much effort into the game unless you poke them with threats. And that's what we should be doing now.
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Edited. Use SnB's correct count >>.
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On April 09 2013 02:25 Ghor wrote:
A few observations about the votecounts:
- risk and CC always vote for the same stuff. But CC has risk as scum.
- Risk and CC tried to switch last minute to Sylencia, but apparently didn't play a role in the lynch. Why didn't they summarize their points against Hopeless before the lynch?
First point: Risk wasn't up on my reads until today. We both wanted to kill Hopeless, and for that I <3'd him. I think one of Ghor / Risk is scum and I'm weighing the two decisions. The fact that Risk sheeped me on you doesn't help the case against him, and it's one of the reasons I'm apprehensive about lynching you Ghor over Risk.
Second: I was on my phone at work, hiding it under a table. Hard to summarize pointed when you can't quote, etc. I had already big posts on Hopeless, if people wanted a refresher they could have looked at them.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
Cheese there's one thing I absolutely don't understand. Hopeless looks even more terrible than during the last day and you and risk don't care at all about him. That looks irrational, his commitment and interest into the game dropped a lot since he's not up for lynch, he wants to hammer fast, and he doesn't seem to care about who gets lynched.
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Even More Bored-Grading-PSets Count:
VisceraEyes ( 1 ): RebirthOfLeGenD, LazerMonkey
hopeless1der ( 1 ): risk.nuke, Ghor
risk.nuke ( 2 ): hopeless1der, Ghor, RebirthOfLeGenD, Mr. Cheesecake
RebirthOfLegend ( 1 ): LazerMonkey, VisceraEyes, Hopeless1der
Mr. Cheesecake ( 1 ): VisceraEyes, risk.nuke, LazerMonkey
Ghor ( 1 ): Mr. Cheesecake, risk.nuke, LazerMonkey
Not Voting ( 0 ):
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. If you see a mistake please notify us. This is instant majority lynch.
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On April 09 2013 02:46 Ghor wrote:
Cheese there's one thing I absolutely don't understand. Hopeless looks even more terrible than during the last day and you and risk don't care at all about him. That looks irrational, his commitment and interest into the game dropped a lot since he's not up for lynch, he wants to hammer fast, and he doesn't seem to care about who gets lynched.
I would argue that Hopeless looked worst yesterday.
Today he's just being retarded, which unfortunately doesn't infer alignment.
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I would have pressured him more, but we got caught up in the Ghor - Risk debates and VE yelling at me, and RoL coming in to stir the pot that nobody has really had any time to conceive of a Hopeless lynch.
Maybe that should change?
At the very least, he should speak.
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On April 09 2013 02:42 Ghor wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 09 2013 02:35 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 09:12 Ghor wrote:
RoL, why do I just have no idea what your alignment is? I went through Bang Bang, Storm Mafia, LVIII. Were you town in BB and SM?
Can you give me an opinion on Lazermonkey and what you think of him being the only one calling you lynch bait when everyone else has no fucking clue or thinks you're scum? While I'm obviously not RoL (duh -.-), I want to expand a little bit on this as it is the main reason I'm voting VE. RoL were for all of D1 and during the beginning of D2 a lurker. When he actually started to post during D2, the first thing he did was to vote VE without any reasoning what so ever and then asking if everyone else were happy with killing VE. This is bad town play. But also terrible terrible scum play. VE should be good enough to know this. but yet he votes RoL. And I'm not calling RoL town for this, in fact he could be scum with VE. But that's not the point. The point is that VE was not voting or suspecting RoL during the time he lurked but only when he derped, trying to justify a vote for RoLs bad play, even though it's not indicative of RoL being scum. I've seen scum play obviously anti-town or "too scummy to be scum" as well. That defense is a little wifomy. Check out Dandel Ion in British Mafia II, he was trolling and not giving a fuck about the game all day. We need to find out who's actually disinterested in finding scum. Who looks too sure too quickly about his reads.Who wants to hammer fast. Who's only active when under pressure. If scum plays well they can simulate these points but given that the thread was so dead I don't think they have felt the need to put much effort into the game unless you poke them with threats. And that's what we should be doing now. I think you are missundestanding my argument. I'm not saying RoL is too scum to be scum. I'm saying VE is voting RoL for a completely shit reason. A non-alignment indicative reason. That + the fact that RoL was a lynch bait at that point makes me think VE is scum.
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On April 09 2013 02:58 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 02:42 Ghor wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 09 2013 02:35 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 09:12 Ghor wrote:
RoL, why do I just have no idea what your alignment is? I went through Bang Bang, Storm Mafia, LVIII. Were you town in BB and SM?
Can you give me an opinion on Lazermonkey and what you think of him being the only one calling you lynch bait when everyone else has no fucking clue or thinks you're scum? While I'm obviously not RoL (duh -.-), I want to expand a little bit on this as it is the main reason I'm voting VE. RoL were for all of D1 and during the beginning of D2 a lurker. When he actually started to post during D2, the first thing he did was to vote VE without any reasoning what so ever and then asking if everyone else were happy with killing VE. This is bad town play. But also terrible terrible scum play. VE should be good enough to know this. but yet he votes RoL. And I'm not calling RoL town for this, in fact he could be scum with VE. But that's not the point. The point is that VE was not voting or suspecting RoL during the time he lurked but only when he derped, trying to justify a vote for RoLs bad play, even though it's not indicative of RoL being scum. I've seen scum play obviously anti-town or "too scummy to be scum" as well. That defense is a little wifomy. Check out Dandel Ion in British Mafia II, he was trolling and not giving a fuck about the game all day. We need to find out who's actually disinterested in finding scum. Who looks too sure too quickly about his reads.Who wants to hammer fast. Who's only active when under pressure. If scum plays well they can simulate these points but given that the thread was so dead I don't think they have felt the need to put much effort into the game unless you poke them with threats. And that's what we should be doing now. I think you are missundestanding my argument. I'm not saying RoL is too scum to be scum. I'm saying VE is voting RoL for a completely shit reason. A non-alignment indicative reason. That + the fact that RoL was a lynch bait at that point makes me think VE is scum.
You think VE is scum, but I'm also scum? K.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
You have VE as scumread, shouldn't it make you skeptical that he only soft-pushed hopeless during D1 while seeking for reasons to switch to sylencia?
On April 09 2013 00:39 Ghor wrote:After this part, I went back through something and I'd like to play some advocatus diaboli with myself. Before the D1 lynch, VE claimed that he wanted to lynch hopeless, and asked people to convince him to prefer Sylencia over Hopeless. Before slowly moving to Sylencia, he actually called hopeless scummy for something, but never voted for him or pushed his lynch afterwards (and a lot in town wanted to lynch hopeless) Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 06:51 VisceraEyes wrote:I feel like he got caught with his pants down trying to tiptoe around a risk.nuke lynch. He was indirectly supporting the risk.nuke wagon without adding his vote. Regardless of risk.nuke's alignment, that's a suspicious action out of Hopeless. If at the time he felt like risk.nuke was scum (which his whole association BS is supposing) then there's no reason for him to be indirectly supporting the wagon while trying to start a counter-wagon on someone else. Furthermore he lied about it in the thread. Observe. On April 03 2013 01:32 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 01:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hopeless... On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
##unvote: VE
##Vote: Risk.nuke
It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you? Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument? On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote:
VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant. If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule? No I don't. Doesn't seem all that legit to me.
On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal. Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town. At this point in time risk had 3 votes on him. You kinda threw some shit at him and called him scummy. What was your intention with this post? I think risk is scummy but didn't want the day to end that soon. Also wanted to see if anyone agreed with my assessment of the supposed scumslip. Ghor is annoying as all hell and his intentions behind voting sylencia do not match with his scum read on risk.nuke. He wants sylencia to commit to some type of a read on risk and when he refuses to do so, calls him scum for it. No where does he validate why this is scummy. Combine that with what appears to be a trolling smurf hellbent on behaving like a caveman, and I think he's a good choice for lynch. On April 03 2013 01:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 01:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hopeless if you really felt that way your vote would be on risk.nuke. You're accusing Ghor of being risk's "scumbuddy" because he's not voting for risk. What the hell are you doing? Not voting for risk. You say Ghor is attacking Sylencia in lieu of pushing risk.nuke. What are you doing? Attacking Ghor in lieu of pushing risk.nuke. Your play is wholly and completely contradictory and scummy as sin. Do you have anything to say for yourself? My vote on ghor was to get him to answer my bloody question about his stance on risk instead of directing me to his filter. ##Unvote: Ghor
##Vote: risk.nuke When confronted about his vote on Ghor he says it was to get him to answer his question, but as you can see from the first post, he clearly says that he feels like Ghor should be considered for lynch today. Inconsistent. Scummy. Which is something that I could see VE doing if he's hopeless' scumbuddy. And I don't see how he just completely skips the strong point he's made against hopeless to ask people to win him over to a sylencia lynch.
Opinions please?
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Lazer, you asked me my preference between risk and CC earlier, can you give me your own opinion on the two?
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I don't think VE is scum, and most certainly not with hopeless.
I brought up something on Hopeless, and he said basically:
"OH, THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THIS, ALLOW ME TO STEER THIS WAGON FOR YOU"
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On April 09 2013 03:00 Ghor wrote:You have VE as scumread, shouldn't it make you skeptical that he only soft-pushed hopeless during D1 while seeking for reasons to switch to sylencia? Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 00:39 Ghor wrote:After this part, I went back through something and I'd like to play some advocatus diaboli with myself. Before the D1 lynch, VE claimed that he wanted to lynch hopeless, and asked people to convince him to prefer Sylencia over Hopeless. Before slowly moving to Sylencia, he actually called hopeless scummy for something, but never voted for him or pushed his lynch afterwards (and a lot in town wanted to lynch hopeless) On April 03 2013 06:51 VisceraEyes wrote:I feel like he got caught with his pants down trying to tiptoe around a risk.nuke lynch. He was indirectly supporting the risk.nuke wagon without adding his vote. Regardless of risk.nuke's alignment, that's a suspicious action out of Hopeless. If at the time he felt like risk.nuke was scum (which his whole association BS is supposing) then there's no reason for him to be indirectly supporting the wagon while trying to start a counter-wagon on someone else. Furthermore he lied about it in the thread. Observe. On April 03 2013 01:32 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 01:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hopeless... On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
##unvote: VE
##Vote: Risk.nuke
It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you? Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument? On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote:
VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant. If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule? No I don't. Doesn't seem all that legit to me.
On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal. Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town. At this point in time risk had 3 votes on him. You kinda threw some shit at him and called him scummy. What was your intention with this post? I think risk is scummy but didn't want the day to end that soon. Also wanted to see if anyone agreed with my assessment of the supposed scumslip. Ghor is annoying as all hell and his intentions behind voting sylencia do not match with his scum read on risk.nuke. He wants sylencia to commit to some type of a read on risk and when he refuses to do so, calls him scum for it. No where does he validate why this is scummy. Combine that with what appears to be a trolling smurf hellbent on behaving like a caveman, and I think he's a good choice for lynch. On April 03 2013 01:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 01:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hopeless if you really felt that way your vote would be on risk.nuke. You're accusing Ghor of being risk's "scumbuddy" because he's not voting for risk. What the hell are you doing? Not voting for risk. You say Ghor is attacking Sylencia in lieu of pushing risk.nuke. What are you doing? Attacking Ghor in lieu of pushing risk.nuke. Your play is wholly and completely contradictory and scummy as sin. Do you have anything to say for yourself? My vote on ghor was to get him to answer my bloody question about his stance on risk instead of directing me to his filter. ##Unvote: Ghor
##Vote: risk.nuke When confronted about his vote on Ghor he says it was to get him to answer his question, but as you can see from the first post, he clearly says that he feels like Ghor should be considered for lynch today. Inconsistent. Scummy. Which is something that I could see VE doing if he's hopeless' scumbuddy. And I don't see how he just completely skips the strong point he's made against hopeless to ask people to win him over to a sylencia lynch. Opinions please? I wouldn't say he soft pushed hopeless. He was quite active in pushing hopeless and was AFAIK the first person to vote him. If hopeless does flip scum, however, I do think that it makes VE look worse.
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On April 09 2013 03:11 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 03:00 Ghor wrote:You have VE as scumread, shouldn't it make you skeptical that he only soft-pushed hopeless during D1 while seeking for reasons to switch to sylencia? On April 09 2013 00:39 Ghor wrote:After this part, I went back through something and I'd like to play some advocatus diaboli with myself. Before the D1 lynch, VE claimed that he wanted to lynch hopeless, and asked people to convince him to prefer Sylencia over Hopeless. Before slowly moving to Sylencia, he actually called hopeless scummy for something, but never voted for him or pushed his lynch afterwards (and a lot in town wanted to lynch hopeless) On April 03 2013 06:51 VisceraEyes wrote:I feel like he got caught with his pants down trying to tiptoe around a risk.nuke lynch. He was indirectly supporting the risk.nuke wagon without adding his vote. Regardless of risk.nuke's alignment, that's a suspicious action out of Hopeless. If at the time he felt like risk.nuke was scum (which his whole association BS is supposing) then there's no reason for him to be indirectly supporting the wagon while trying to start a counter-wagon on someone else. Furthermore he lied about it in the thread. Observe. On April 03 2013 01:32 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 01:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hopeless... On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
##unvote: VE
##Vote: Risk.nuke
It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you? Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument? On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote:
VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant. If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule? No I don't. Doesn't seem all that legit to me.
On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal. Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town. At this point in time risk had 3 votes on him. You kinda threw some shit at him and called him scummy. What was your intention with this post? I think risk is scummy but didn't want the day to end that soon. Also wanted to see if anyone agreed with my assessment of the supposed scumslip. Ghor is annoying as all hell and his intentions behind voting sylencia do not match with his scum read on risk.nuke. He wants sylencia to commit to some type of a read on risk and when he refuses to do so, calls him scum for it. No where does he validate why this is scummy. Combine that with what appears to be a trolling smurf hellbent on behaving like a caveman, and I think he's a good choice for lynch. On April 03 2013 01:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 01:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hopeless if you really felt that way your vote would be on risk.nuke. You're accusing Ghor of being risk's "scumbuddy" because he's not voting for risk. What the hell are you doing? Not voting for risk. You say Ghor is attacking Sylencia in lieu of pushing risk.nuke. What are you doing? Attacking Ghor in lieu of pushing risk.nuke. Your play is wholly and completely contradictory and scummy as sin. Do you have anything to say for yourself? My vote on ghor was to get him to answer my bloody question about his stance on risk instead of directing me to his filter. ##Unvote: Ghor
##Vote: risk.nuke When confronted about his vote on Ghor he says it was to get him to answer his question, but as you can see from the first post, he clearly says that he feels like Ghor should be considered for lynch today. Inconsistent. Scummy. Which is something that I could see VE doing if he's hopeless' scumbuddy. And I don't see how he just completely skips the strong point he's made against hopeless to ask people to win him over to a sylencia lynch. Opinions please? I wouldn't say he soft pushed hopeless. He was quite active in pushing hopeless and was AFAIK the first person to vote him. If hopeless does flip scum, however, I do think that it makes VE look worse.
I agree with the first part.
The second part not so much. Okay so VE hard-pushed Hopeless. Hopeless flips scum. How does that make VE look bad?
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On April 09 2013 03:06 Ghor wrote:
Lazer, you asked me my preference between risk and CC earlier, can you give me your own opinion on the two? I want to kill CC far more than I want to kill Risk, that is for sure...
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On April 09 2013 03:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 03:11 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 09 2013 03:00 Ghor wrote:You have VE as scumread, shouldn't it make you skeptical that he only soft-pushed hopeless during D1 while seeking for reasons to switch to sylencia? On April 09 2013 00:39 Ghor wrote:After this part, I went back through something and I'd like to play some advocatus diaboli with myself. Before the D1 lynch, VE claimed that he wanted to lynch hopeless, and asked people to convince him to prefer Sylencia over Hopeless. Before slowly moving to Sylencia, he actually called hopeless scummy for something, but never voted for him or pushed his lynch afterwards (and a lot in town wanted to lynch hopeless) On April 03 2013 06:51 VisceraEyes wrote:I feel like he got caught with his pants down trying to tiptoe around a risk.nuke lynch. He was indirectly supporting the risk.nuke wagon without adding his vote. Regardless of risk.nuke's alignment, that's a suspicious action out of Hopeless. If at the time he felt like risk.nuke was scum (which his whole association BS is supposing) then there's no reason for him to be indirectly supporting the wagon while trying to start a counter-wagon on someone else. Furthermore he lied about it in the thread. Observe. On April 03 2013 01:32 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 01:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hopeless... On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
##unvote: VE
##Vote: Risk.nuke
It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you? Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument? On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
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If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule? No I don't. Doesn't seem all that legit to me.
On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
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On the contrary, best vote ever. I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal. Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town. At this point in time risk had 3 votes on him. You kinda threw some shit at him and called him scummy. What was your intention with this post? I think risk is scummy but didn't want the day to end that soon. Also wanted to see if anyone agreed with my assessment of the supposed scumslip. Ghor is annoying as all hell and his intentions behind voting sylencia do not match with his scum read on risk.nuke. He wants sylencia to commit to some type of a read on risk and when he refuses to do so, calls him scum for it. No where does he validate why this is scummy. Combine that with what appears to be a trolling smurf hellbent on behaving like a caveman, and I think he's a good choice for lynch. On April 03 2013 01:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 01:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hopeless if you really felt that way your vote would be on risk.nuke. You're accusing Ghor of being risk's "scumbuddy" because he's not voting for risk. What the hell are you doing? Not voting for risk. You say Ghor is attacking Sylencia in lieu of pushing risk.nuke. What are you doing? Attacking Ghor in lieu of pushing risk.nuke. Your play is wholly and completely contradictory and scummy as sin. Do you have anything to say for yourself? My vote on ghor was to get him to answer my bloody question about his stance on risk instead of directing me to his filter. ##Unvote: Ghor
##Vote: risk.nuke When confronted about his vote on Ghor he says it was to get him to answer his question, but as you can see from the first post, he clearly says that he feels like Ghor should be considered for lynch today. Inconsistent. Scummy. Which is something that I could see VE doing if he's hopeless' scumbuddy. And I don't see how he just completely skips the strong point he's made against hopeless to ask people to win him over to a sylencia lynch. Opinions please? I wouldn't say he soft pushed hopeless. He was quite active in pushing hopeless and was AFAIK the first person to vote him. If hopeless does flip scum, however, I do think that it makes VE look worse. I agree with the first part. The second part not so much. Okay so VE hard-pushed Hopeless. Hopeless flips scum. How does that make VE look bad? Because he looked for an opportunity to jump over to the Sylencia wagon.
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##Unvote: RebirthOfLeGenD
##Vote: risk.nuke
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On April 09 2013 03:14 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 03:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 09 2013 03:11 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 09 2013 03:00 Ghor wrote:You have VE as scumread, shouldn't it make you skeptical that he only soft-pushed hopeless during D1 while seeking for reasons to switch to sylencia? On April 09 2013 00:39 Ghor wrote:After this part, I went back through something and I'd like to play some advocatus diaboli with myself. Before the D1 lynch, VE claimed that he wanted to lynch hopeless, and asked people to convince him to prefer Sylencia over Hopeless. Before slowly moving to Sylencia, he actually called hopeless scummy for something, but never voted for him or pushed his lynch afterwards (and a lot in town wanted to lynch hopeless) On April 03 2013 06:51 VisceraEyes wrote:I feel like he got caught with his pants down trying to tiptoe around a risk.nuke lynch. He was indirectly supporting the risk.nuke wagon without adding his vote. Regardless of risk.nuke's alignment, that's a suspicious action out of Hopeless. If at the time he felt like risk.nuke was scum (which his whole association BS is supposing) then there's no reason for him to be indirectly supporting the wagon while trying to start a counter-wagon on someone else. Furthermore he lied about it in the thread. Observe. On April 03 2013 01:32 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 01:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hopeless... On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote:
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Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument? On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote:
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No I don't. Doesn't seem all that legit to me.
On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote:
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I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal. Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town. At this point in time risk had 3 votes on him. You kinda threw some shit at him and called him scummy. What was your intention with this post? I think risk is scummy but didn't want the day to end that soon. Also wanted to see if anyone agreed with my assessment of the supposed scumslip. Ghor is annoying as all hell and his intentions behind voting sylencia do not match with his scum read on risk.nuke. He wants sylencia to commit to some type of a read on risk and when he refuses to do so, calls him scum for it. No where does he validate why this is scummy. Combine that with what appears to be a trolling smurf hellbent on behaving like a caveman, and I think he's a good choice for lynch. On April 03 2013 01:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 01:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hopeless if you really felt that way your vote would be on risk.nuke. You're accusing Ghor of being risk's "scumbuddy" because he's not voting for risk. What the hell are you doing? Not voting for risk. You say Ghor is attacking Sylencia in lieu of pushing risk.nuke. What are you doing? Attacking Ghor in lieu of pushing risk.nuke. Your play is wholly and completely contradictory and scummy as sin. Do you have anything to say for yourself? My vote on ghor was to get him to answer my bloody question about his stance on risk instead of directing me to his filter. ##Unvote: Ghor
##Vote: risk.nuke When confronted about his vote on Ghor he says it was to get him to answer his question, but as you can see from the first post, he clearly says that he feels like Ghor should be considered for lynch today. Inconsistent. Scummy. Which is something that I could see VE doing if he's hopeless' scumbuddy. And I don't see how he just completely skips the strong point he's made against hopeless to ask people to win him over to a sylencia lynch. Opinions please? I wouldn't say he soft pushed hopeless. He was quite active in pushing hopeless and was AFAIK the first person to vote him. If hopeless does flip scum, however, I do think that it makes VE look worse. I agree with the first part. The second part not so much. Okay so VE hard-pushed Hopeless. Hopeless flips scum. How does that make VE look bad? Because he looked for an opportunity to jump over to the Sylencia wagon.
And he called out his buddy with me and got him to L-1 if I'm correct?
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On April 09 2013 03:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 03:14 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 09 2013 03:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 09 2013 03:11 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 09 2013 03:00 Ghor wrote:You have VE as scumread, shouldn't it make you skeptical that he only soft-pushed hopeless during D1 while seeking for reasons to switch to sylencia? On April 09 2013 00:39 Ghor wrote:After this part, I went back through something and I'd like to play some advocatus diaboli with myself. Before the D1 lynch, VE claimed that he wanted to lynch hopeless, and asked people to convince him to prefer Sylencia over Hopeless. Before slowly moving to Sylencia, he actually called hopeless scummy for something, but never voted for him or pushed his lynch afterwards (and a lot in town wanted to lynch hopeless) On April 03 2013 06:51 VisceraEyes wrote:I feel like he got caught with his pants down trying to tiptoe around a risk.nuke lynch. He was indirectly supporting the risk.nuke wagon without adding his vote. Regardless of risk.nuke's alignment, that's a suspicious action out of Hopeless. If at the time he felt like risk.nuke was scum (which his whole association BS is supposing) then there's no reason for him to be indirectly supporting the wagon while trying to start a counter-wagon on someone else. Furthermore he lied about it in the thread. Observe. On April 03 2013 01:32 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 01:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hopeless... On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
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Doesn't seem all that legit to me.
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Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town.At this point in time risk had 3 votes on him. You kinda threw some shit at him and called him scummy. What was your intention with this post? I think risk is scummy but didn't want the day to end that soon. Also wanted to see if anyone agreed with my assessment of the supposed scumslip. Ghor is annoying as all hell and his intentions behind voting sylencia do not match with his scum read on risk.nuke. He wants sylencia to commit to some type of a read on risk and when he refuses to do so, calls him scum for it. No where does he validate why this is scummy. Combine that with what appears to be a trolling smurf hellbent on behaving like a caveman, and I think he's a good choice for lynch. On April 03 2013 01:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2013 01:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hopeless if you really felt that way your vote would be on risk.nuke. You're accusing Ghor of being risk's "scumbuddy" because he's not voting for risk. What the hell are you doing? Not voting for risk. You say Ghor is attacking Sylencia in lieu of pushing risk.nuke. What are you doing? Attacking Ghor in lieu of pushing risk.nuke. Your play is wholly and completely contradictory and scummy as sin. Do you have anything to say for yourself? My vote on ghor was to get him to answer my bloody question about his stance on risk instead of directing me to his filter. ##Unvote: Ghor
##Vote: risk.nuke When confronted about his vote on Ghor he says it was to get him to answer his question, but as you can see from the first post, he clearly says that he feels like Ghor should be considered for lynch today. Inconsistent. Scummy. Which is something that I could see VE doing if he's hopeless' scumbuddy. And I don't see how he just completely skips the strong point he's made against hopeless to ask people to win him over to a sylencia lynch. Opinions please? I wouldn't say he soft pushed hopeless. He was quite active in pushing hopeless and was AFAIK the first person to vote him. If hopeless does flip scum, however, I do think that it makes VE look worse. I agree with the first part. The second part not so much. Okay so VE hard-pushed Hopeless. Hopeless flips scum. How does that make VE look bad? Because he looked for an opportunity to jump over to the Sylencia wagon. And he called out his buddy with me and got him to L-1 if I'm correct? L-1 = still not lynched.
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all of this requires me to be scum, which im not so stop talking about this bullshit
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Stupid logic to me. Anyway, I'd like to wrap this lynch up soon. If we have another "FUCK, LAST MINUTE HAMMER" situation things will not turn out well.
Hopeless, I said speak, not vote!
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Im the most bored Count:
VisceraEyes ( 1 ): RebirthOfLeGenD, LazerMonkey
hopeless1der ( 1 ): risk.nuke, Ghor
risk.nuke ( 3 ): hopeless1der, Ghor, RebirthOfLeGenD, Mr. Cheesecake, Hopeless1der
RebirthOfLegend ( 0 ): LazerMonkey, VisceraEyes, Hopeless1der
Mr. Cheesecake ( 1 ): VisceraEyes, risk.nuke, LazerMonkey
Ghor ( 1 ): Mr. Cheesecake, risk.nuke, LazerMonkey
Not Voting ( 0 ):
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. If you see a mistake please notify us. This is instant majority lynch.
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On April 09 2013 03:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Stupid logic to me. Anyway, I'd like to wrap this lynch up soon. If we have another "FUCK, LAST MINUTE HAMMER" situation things will not turn out well.
Hopeless, I said speak, not vote!
I have revised my read on ghor to town. risk is still scum and I want him dead today.
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On April 09 2013 03:36 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 03:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Stupid logic to me. Anyway, I'd like to wrap this lynch up soon. If we have another "FUCK, LAST MINUTE HAMMER" situation things will not turn out well.
Hopeless, I said speak, not vote! I have revised my read on ghor to town. risk is still scum and I want him dead today.
This is all I have ever wanted from you.
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On April 09 2013 03:36 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 03:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Stupid logic to me. Anyway, I'd like to wrap this lynch up soon. If we have another "FUCK, LAST MINUTE HAMMER" situation things will not turn out well.
Hopeless, I said speak, not vote! I have revised my read on ghor to town. risk is still scum and I want him dead today.
How is your read on me of relevance?You wanted to lynch RoL earlier, what about that read?
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what about it? I want to lynch risk. If he flips town I'd lynch RoL out of hypocrisy at the moment.
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What do you mean, lynch RoL out hypocrisy? Can you give me quick reads of everyone else?
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ALL THREE OF THE PEOPLE I WOULD LYNCH ARE VOTING FOR RISK I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK TO DO
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ALL 3 OF US ARE SCUM, WE WERE RIGHT EARLIER!!!
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On April 09 2013 05:00 Hopeless1der wrote:
kill VE fixed
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On April 09 2013 05:01 Lazermonkey wrote:fixed
Actually make a case or something kk? Stop not doing shit and make shit happen.
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Lazer why do you think I'm scum? Did you ever explain that?
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Lazer you're the only guy that never thought, from what i can recall, that risk is scum. Have you even interacted with him this game?
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Holy balls VE, you've been away for a looong time. Where did your former scummy points against hopeless go and is he currently your scumread?
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I don't know anymore I need to reread. RoL's vote on me was SO BAD and I don't understand why he even suspected me.
Lazer at least has a reason for suspecting me, RoL doesn't even have that.
My contention with Cheese remains, but I guess I see RoL's point about his lynch. Kinda.
I have to reread Hopeless to see where I stand with him. The fact is I preferred to lynch Syl at the end of D1 and there must have been a reason, which is pretty much the rationale behind not really suspecting him at the beginning of D2.
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On April 09 2013 05:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Lazer you're the only guy that never thought, from what i can recall, that risk is scum. Have you even interacted with him this game? Not sure, why is it relevant?
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SOMEONE DROP THE FUCKIN' HAMMA
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VE, you have been sheeping votes, never provided original play, demanded others contribute and convince you to kill sylencia or hopeless. In the end after saying you wouldn't kill Sylencia you are the one who hammers him.
Scummy.
However, if you choose to hammer Risk right now I will not accuse you have sheeping and will legitimately try to reevaluate not just you, but every player and the game in its entirety.
You have my solemn word!
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On April 09 2013 05:35 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
SOMEONE DROP THE FUCKIN' HAMMA
Risk still lurkin' after so many got the discussion back into rolling, I suppose I'll treat it as definitive surrender.
Gogogo
##Unvote
##Vote risk.nuke
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One thing first, medic protection pls ^_^
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And if I still die and risk flips red, remember this one:
On April 09 2013 01:25 Ghor wrote:This looks like early "playful" interaction between scumbuddies. Casual pressure vote, no serious questions, no serious answers. Risk doesn't feel threatened, CC is fine that he doesn't answer, so his own question doesn't seem to really matter to him. More importantly, after risk gained two votes, he refers to CC's vote as being "fine, it's just a pressure vote" before Cheese even came back to the thread to unvote. He had no way of knowing how Cheese would react to what had been posted about risk and visibly didn't take that vote as serious even before Cheese came back. He does say it's odd that Cheese was still voting him and completely disappeared after the initial phase, but when Cheese comes back, risk ignores him and proceeds to pushing for hopeless. When Cheese came back, he even said he has no idea about why people voted risk, without commenting on the evidence or even acting consistently with the fact that he noticed risk lurking in early game already. In summary, I sense a whole lot of acting and carelessness about finding each other's alignment between the two, despite acting like they're both an early focus of each other initially. Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 02 2013 08:29 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 02 2013 07:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 02 2013 07:46 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 02 2013 07:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Blah blah blah policy blah blah On April 02 2013 07:36 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 02 2013 07:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, but policy-lynching them? That seems a little over-the-top in a 9 player game. Policy-lynching anyone in a 9 player game just seems like a bad idea. It's certainly something to factor in, but not killing someone over. In my experience, townies are more likely to lolhammer than scum are. Scum are generally much more careful in how they vote and if they hammer someone are much more likely to explain why thoroughly.
I don't support your policy. My problem is this: if we don't establish a HARD policy then we might end up in a really hairy situation where someone hammers a guy in a completely retarded way, and everyone will start defending him using the argument "but scum wouldn't be THAT dumb and suspicious". If everyone simply agrees with the policy then we will avoid stuff like that. Policy: Don't go full retard mode if you're town. Savvy? You'd think this would be common sense by now. Define retard mode. Isthat hammering someone too fast? Or something else? Do you agree with my points or not? Be sensible about your hammer vote and explain it yada yada yada. You're policy lynch proposal is bullshit, because half the thread wouldn't follow through with it. How someone goes about voting and hammering is what should be looked at, not just "lol he emotionally hammered the townzorz must be scum" Listen to the Mafia scumcast (Hapa had a bunch of stuff to say about British II in it pertaining to instant majority). Has a bunch of goodies in it. I never claimed that ignoring normal scum tells is the way to go but w/e. So you are saying that my policy is bullshit because noone would follow it but I think that is a very bad reasoning. Either you think my policy is bullshit because the reasoning is bullshit or you think the policy is good but that it will be hard for everyone to follow it and therefore quite useless policy ( or you simply agree with it but that doesn't seem to be the case ^^). I do think it is a useless policy if half of the players in the game simply disagrees with it. But in theory, if we could guarantee that everyone would follow the policy, would you agree with the points I made? No. I generally think policy lynches suck. And i dont think ive ever seen one work out for the best. Meanwhile ##vote: risk.nuke because said hi but doesnt wanna be nice and talk with us. Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal. Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 08:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Sooo risky, what say you to lazers policy shenannies? Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 08:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 02 2013 08:48 risk.nuke wrote:
You want me to spoil the ending and hand you the key to the test? Well i sure don't feel like studying. Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 20:21 risk.nuke wrote:
Glad you're capable of discussing anything at all without me.
Cheesecakes early vote on me was a pressure-vote. It was completely fine, What's weird and not fine is he doesn't follow it up or does anything when the person he pressure-voted gains additional votes.
People are asking me about the Kenpachi rule, I actually thought more people knew about it. Ghor, It was discussed in a post game I played one or two years ago, I don't think there were statistics but I remember people praised it's accuracy (before it got outed) Either way I know the post detailing the kenpachi rule was edited out because I tried to find it once.
I'll talk about Hapa after breakfast. Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 22:28 iamperfection wrote:Perfect count Risk.Nuke ( 3 ): Mr. Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, RebirthOfLeGenD VisceraEyes ( 0 ): RebirthOfLeGenD Sylencia ( 0 ): AxleGreaser Mr. CheeseCake ( 1 ): Sylencia Not Voting ( 5 ): AxleGreaser, Risk.Nuke, Ghor, Hopeless1der, LazerMonkey With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. This is instant majority lynch. If you see a mistake please notify us. Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 00:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Jesus you guys are active while I'm asleep. ##UnvoteI don't think we should lynch Risk today. How I got +2 to my pressure vote is beyond me. In regards to Sylencia's vote, cool -- Good to see you're paying attention. Nothing was happening so I slapped down a vote on Risk. 20 minutes passed and nothing from him so I went to bed. Now we have shit to work with. What alarmed me the most was RoL's vote. He explains it here. On April 02 2013 16:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
No, I explained with my vote why I had been doing it. I expanded on my reasoning in my last post. The last post showed risk.nuke continuing to do what I originally outlined. Like I said, it was like he was looking for someone to pick up the slack of the kenpachi tell. This seems a far cry to think someone is scum. Oh, it looked like he was waiting for someone to sheep the Kenpachi tell... really? I'm not a fan "it looked like he was doing something potentially scummy" instead of "yeah, this is scummy" I can't clearly read a thing Axle posts, at least Ghor I understand... On April 02 2013 22:32 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 02 2013 22:27 AxleGreaser wrote:On April 02 2013 22:15 Lazermonkey wrote:
Howdy folks!
@Axle: I take L-1 as one vote from lynch, am I correct?
Regarding risk: I'm not confident in voting him at the moment. While I agree that the "kenpachi-incident" makes him look kinda bad, he defended himself in a way I'm not sure scum would. I'd say that this could just as well be a strange town play rather than scum and it really comes down to WIFOM to figure out which one it is. + Show Spoiler + TBMK: in general use, L-1 = Lynch -1 = 1 more vote to Lynch. We are currently at L-2. So if you are "not confident in voting him at the moment.".... what do ? I'd actually not talk about my (potential)scum read just yet. I want a certain interaction to be happening first. Most probebly, that will occour later today. Lazer I want you to answer this question. Why do you use the parenthetical (potential)? How is somebody your potential scumread... scum have potential scumreads, town just have scumreads or town reads. Were you just waiting for somebody to slip up so you could call them out?
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Wait, was that the hammer? o.O
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On April 09 2013 05:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
VE, you have been sheeping votes, never provided original play, demanded others contribute and convince you to kill sylencia or hopeless. In the end after saying you wouldn't kill Sylencia you are the one who hammers him.
Scummy.
However, if you choose to hammer Risk right now I will not accuse you have sheeping and will legitimately try to reevaluate not just you, but every player and the game in its entirety.
You have my solemn word!
This is a pretty weird thing to say, you know. We don't even know if risk will flip red and it almost feels like you're offering VE a townread just cause he'd lynch him, no matter what alignment he is?
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We shouldnt talk anymore.
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HAMMER Count:
VisceraEyes ( 1 ): RebirthOfLeGenD, LazerMonkey
hopeless1der ( 0 ): risk.nuke, Ghor
risk.nuke ( 4 ): hopeless1der, Ghor, RebirthOfLeGenD, Mr. Cheesecake, Hopeless1der , Ghor
RebirthOfLegend ( 0 ): LazerMonkey, VisceraEyes, Hopeless1der
Mr. Cheesecake ( 1 ): VisceraEyes, risk.nuke, LazerMonkey
Ghor ( 1 ): Mr. Cheesecake, risk.nuke, LazerMonkey
Not Voting ( 0 ):
Hammer has fallen! No more talking until the next Daypost!
Please PM all night-actions to the host. Day will start on a random time delay after all actions are received.
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Twilight:
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risk.nuke...
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...has died!
Day will begin once I receive all night-actions, with a random time-delay to protect identities.
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Day 3:
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VisceraEyes has died!
Day 3 start. This day will end when someone is lynched.
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On April 09 2013 05:49 Ghor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 05:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
VE, you have been sheeping votes, never provided original play, demanded others contribute and convince you to kill sylencia or hopeless. In the end after saying you wouldn't kill Sylencia you are the one who hammers him.
Scummy.
However, if you choose to hammer Risk right now I will not accuse you have sheeping and will legitimately try to reevaluate not just you, but every player and the game in its entirety.
You have my solemn word! This is a pretty weird thing to say, you know. We don't even know if risk will flip red and it almost feels like you're offering VE a townread just cause he'd lynch him, no matter what alignment he is?
I never said I would view him as town if he did it. I said that I would reevaluate things and try again.
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Wow...
Nobody vote until we're absolutely-friggen-sure who we want to kill. Doctor, I suggest you claim.
I need a drink.
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I wouldn't be opposed to the doctor claiming. It's mylo anyway so it's not like it matters.
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Lazermonkey are you the doctor?
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If doctor claims then 2 of the 3 remaining people are scum. I like dem odds.
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Well, I'm not doctor at least..
On April 09 2013 08:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If doctor claims then 2 of the 3 remaining people are scum. I like dem odds. 2 of the 4.
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Okay, so I'll be very busy today, though I may be able to post a bit arounf 16.00 CEST but I'm not certain.
Remember.
1.Don't vote untill we all know who we want to kill.
2.DON'T VOTE
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On April 09 2013 16:21 Lazermonkey wrote:Well, I'm not doctor at least.. Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 08:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If doctor claims then 2 of the 3 remaining people are scum. I like dem odds. 2 of the 4.
You know your own alignment, so assuming you aren't the doctor it only leaves 2/3 other people who can be scum.
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Cool, all of town basically outed me without me even needing to say something. Not sure if it's good or bad. Even if we lynch correctly I'm dead the next night. If you are interested, protected VE N1 and CC tonight. Can't protect same target twice in a row -_-
On to serious matters:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=404818¤tpage=16#305
On April 07 2013 07:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alrighty. I finished rereading everyones filters. Cheesecake I would like your opinion on both Risk and VE if you would be so kind.
On April 08 2013 08:57 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 08:54 risk.nuke wrote:On April 08 2013 08:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Risk's latest posting only served to solidify his place on my scum list. I would be open to killing him instead of VE, But I am curious to how you feel about that VE? Nice try but townies wouldn't care what their top scumread thinks. Unless you're trying to get more information out of him to determine his alignment, but that shouldn't be necessary since he's your top scumread and you know he's scum right. So why did you direct that question to your top scumread over other people. Because he have townie influence. Hello scumagenda. With scum like these, who needs townies. Good thing because I don't seem to have any. I'm always curious to what people think because unlike you who probably knows every players alignment I concede there is a chance my read can be wrong and a players thoughts could be worthwhile later. Alternatively it allows me to interpret what they attempt to do and decide how much wifom to go into. Suck it. ##Unvote: VisceraEyes
##Vote: Risk.nukeIf anyone cares to read his posting it's abrasive as shit and jumps on stupid tells/slips the whole game. Risk.nuke sucks and needs to die. Can we agree on this ghur?
On April 08 2013 12:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
HEY GUYS WHY ISN'T RISK.NUKE DEAD YET?!?
On April 08 2013 16:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I'm not scum. Can you both just kill risk.nuke already?
On April 09 2013 05:35 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
SOMEONE DROP THE FUCKIN' HAMMA
I'm excluding cheese as scum based on connection here cause of RoL's early case and him having Cheese as scumread during D2, along with two now dead townies (that's not the only point though).
I said something earlier:
On April 09 2013 02:42 Ghor wrote:
We need to find out who's actually disinterested in finding scum. Who looks too sure too quickly about his reads.Who wants to hammer fast. Who's only active when under pressure.
RoL fits the profile perfectly. He didn't discuss shit when I tried to D2, both during his CC and risk case he didn't try to infer further who could be scum and if he's right or wrong, he's only active in the final phase, and he was spamming a lot in order to get risk hammered fast.
Sucks I didn't notice earlier.
##Vote RoL
Gonna try to guess who of hopeless/lazer is the last scum now.
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Connection aside, if I had to go by disinterest into finding the best lynch, gaining information and interacting with town, coupled with a noticeable D1→D2 activity drop, the other one would be hopeless.
Currently looking through filters assuming RoL is scum, and I think I'll ignore RoL's early case against CC cause there is connection based stuff speaking in favour of all three candidates.
Need to search for someone having scummy ties with RoL, or suggesting that they know his alignment through their actions.
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okay well if no one is going to counterclaim, I'm going to just sheep ghor here.
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Opinions on this (for the case that RoL flips red, which he probably will?)
+ Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 04:11 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm having concerns about RoL atm. His whole game thus far has been very lurky and can be summerized by:
1. Fucking with VE. I don't think there was anything productive with his vote at all.
2. Voting risk.
3. Case on CC.
4. -
I'm cool with RoL beeing busy and what not but why the fuck does he post a case on CC and ignore everything else that was in the thread at that time? What happend with his scum read on Risk? He doesn't even mention Sylencia nor Hopeless once. Posting a case is cool and stuff but if the person your case on is relatively active, doesn't have alot of suspicioun on him etc then you cannot realisticly excpect to get that person lynched.
I'm having a few concerns with Hopeless and CC as well but for now
##Vote: RoL On April 05 2013 23:28 Lazermonkey wrote:
Just skimmed through. I strongly dislike american capitalist-swine Ghor. I want old Ghor back, this one is an imposter.
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Please note that Ghor is one vote away from getting killed! On April 06 2013 01:00 Lazermonkey wrote:
You don't make any sense, why would you ask me about Risks actions the last couple of pages if you only had minor issues of some sort and you need him to give an answer to those questions? I figuered you were probebly having some form of scum read on him or wanted to set some form of trap for me but the fact that you explain it away by saying "just wanted your opinion" seems like total BS in my opinion.
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##Vote: CC On April 08 2013 03:53 Lazermonkey wrote:
Holy bandoly batman. RoL wtf are you doing? On April 08 2013 04:12 Lazermonkey wrote:
RoL-voters, explain why RoL posting the most lack luster case there ever was on VE and then proceed to lurk once again is indicative of him being scum. Yes, it is terrible play of him but the fact that you vote him for it is even more surprising to me.
RoL is looking like the biggest fucking lynch bait ever and saying that he doesn't care about the game isn't a good enough reason to kill him. Sooo WHY are you voting him now and not before? That makes zero sense...
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Hopeless is doing whatever so I dunno if he just is really bad. VE is a good player and I can kill him, he wouldn't do this if he would've been town
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1. Fucking with VE. I don't think there was anything productive with his vote at all.
RoL-voters, explain why RoL posting the most lack luster case there ever was on VE and then proceed to lurk once again is indicative of him being scum. Yes, it is terrible play of him but the fact that you vote him for it is even more surprising to me.
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Fuck this game is hard. Too much scummy in this town to be definitely sure.Sigh. Rereading.
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running out of witty remarks Count:
RebirthOfLegend ( 0): Ghor
Not Voting ( 5 ): everybody
With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch. If you see a mistake please notify us. This is instant majority lynch.
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I kinda figured you were medic after you asked for protection, Ghor. My first game as doctor I did the same exact thing night 1, and got killed :p. I was hoping scum didn't pick up on that and kill you l0l.
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Okay the problem here is that If RoL were scum Idk if he'd kill VE.
I'm more inclined to believe Hopeless is scum, and Lazer is most likely his buddy.
Everyone who originally suspected Hopeless is dead.
Axle, shot. Risk, lynched. VE, shot. Now I'm the only one left.
Lazer played a huge role in redirecting the lynch away from his buddy Hopeless. Need I remind people of this wish-washy quote from LazeR?
On April 03 2013 18:14 Lazermonkey wrote:Hopeless is a decent lynch at most. But while that is the case, my last 2 games I played town with town Hopeless. Both games ended up with hopeless misslynched or vigi killed. Hopeless were making several basic errors in those games as well. These games were: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946 (mafia LVIII) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955 (dessert mini) To be fair, I don't see a clear diference between Hopeless play in those games and this game. This obviously doesn't make Hopless town but I really don't see how you are voting him over Sylencia at this point. And reading the thread doesn't exactly help me... Axle: I have no idea why you think hopeless is scum. Risk: You reasons for voting Hopeless is partly meta and partly the fact that he isn't scum hunting. The meta part I disagree with and the scum hunting part is something that Sylencia does far worse at. Also, why do you continously avoid taking a stance on Sylencia despite promising to do so? CC: You are voting hopeless for poor logic but guess what? That isn't alignment indicative. VE and Ghor I think have decent reasons to be on him atm. The reason I didn't say anything about this earlier is because I wanted Hopeless to defend himself rather than me do it for him, but since we are one vote away from killing him atm, my strategy has indeed failed.
Essentially, Lazer is calling Hopeless a decent lynch, but indicates that he could be townie and defends him via meta. Take a gander at the bolded: "This doesn't make Hopeless town, but we should totes mislynch Sylencia right now." Lazermonkey was leaving himself some room to bus in case things got hairy. After all, 4 townies were on the Hopeless lynch. He didn't want to hammer his buddy, and instead redirected the Syl lynch with the help of Town Ghor.
He also "wanted Hopeless to defend himself rather than me do it for him..." This quote speaks of association like I can't even imagine.
He also spent a lot of time defending Hopeless from the noose.
On April 04 2013 05:25 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 05:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm pseudo-around.
I'm coming around to the idea of a Sylencia lynch tbh. You wanna try and nudge me over the edge? Other than repeating what have already been said: I'd say Hopeless recent half-suicidal moves are something scum aren't very keen on doing normally.
On April 04 2013 03:51 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 00:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Why the hell are you defending Hopeless so hard, Lazer? On April 03 2013 18:14 Lazermonkey wrote:Hopeless is a decent lynch at most. But while that is the case, my last 2 games I played town with town Hopeless. Both games ended up with hopeless misslynched or vigi killed. Hopeless were making several basic errors in those games as well. These games were: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946 (mafia LVIII) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955 (dessert mini) To be fair, I don't see a clear diference between Hopeless play in those games and this game. This obviously doesn't make Hopless town but I really don't see how you are voting him over Sylencia at this point. And reading the thread doesn't exactly help me... Axle: I have no idea why you think hopeless is scum. Risk: You reasons for voting Hopeless is partly meta and partly the fact that he isn't scum hunting. The meta part I disagree with and the scum hunting part is something that Sylencia does far worse at. Also, why do you continously avoid taking a stance on Sylencia despite promising to do so? CC: You are voting hopeless for poor logic but guess what? That isn't alignment indicative. VE and Ghor I think have decent reasons to be on him atm. The reason I didn't say anything about this earlier is because I wanted Hopeless to defend himself rather than me do it for him, but since we are one vote away from killing him atm, my strategy has indeed failed. It's funny you mention my and VE's vote for Hopeless. We are voting him for the exact same reasons. We pushed him at the same time. I have no idea why you like VE's reasons better, because they are the same. You think Hopeless is a 'decent lynch' but hard-defend the guy. In order for him to be a decent lynch you must have some sort of scum read on him --- and then proceed to contradict yourself by calling him town via meta. Then you say it's not even concrete evidence... What the heck is your stance on Hopeless? You seem nervous about him flipping. VE also mentioned how he lied about having his vote on Ghor, something that I find a far better reason to vote him than poor logic. I'm not saying Hopeless is town or scum, I think this is quite clear in my post. He does indeed play scummy and isn't really helping town alot. Hence he is an okay lynch. But he plays similar to this in his town games, which makes it hard to determine if he is scum or not. This makes hopeless lynch a very risky lynch imo.
On April 03 2013 06:57 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 06:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
here`s my question, considering people accuse me of being a hypocrite. Do you think I`m just trying to be disruptive or that I`m trying to save sylencia? It should be a minimum of one of those, right? I don't know. You being a hypocrite is actually not alignment indicative imo. What I do know is that you are calling out Ghor for stuff that you are doing yourself. So stop that.
Day 1, Lazer refused to give a concrete read on Hopeless, and instead referred to him as "Oh, town or scum". He plays scummy but dat meta stuff makes me think he's kinda townie. He's also really scummy but too scummy to be scum guise.
They also haven't voted each other this ENTIRE GAME. Hopeless has been lurky, scummy, etc etc. Lazer has been antagonistic towards myself, pushed the mislynch day 1, and played all over the place on D2 with his vote on VE by the end.
Hopeless and Lazermonkey, I'll lynch either of those guys today. 2 out of 3 of these dudes is scum. And I think I've got the two right here.
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On April 09 2013 23:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I kinda figured you were medic after you asked for protection, Ghor. My first game as doctor I did the same exact thing night 1, and got killed :p. I was hoping scum didn't pick up on that and kill you l0l.
Heh, scum didn't figure it out this time :d .
Who do you think are the two scum between RoL, LM and hopeless? I am most sure about RoL currently but his scumbuddy sure does a good job.
A few things I caught up while rereading:
Hopeless attacked risk saying "Risk knows CC is town", the early "scumslip". While it wasn't a scumslip, it would speak for a scum hopeless cause he might know you're town (assuming you are) and immediately interpreted that post by risk as scummy according to his prior major knowledge. Hopeless also has shown inconsistency regarding RoL.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 07 2013 05:01 Hopeless1der wrote:both RoL and I have zero votes on us. Explain to me how I'm responsible for playing the game for you. The fact that people are A) willing to do nothing until we return and B) wont vote us in the interim suggests to me that RoL is town. Ghor has made perfect sense regarding what he finds suspicious about risk.nuke. Lazer, you made some reference to ghor is trying to cover up a lie. Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 23:59 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 05 2013 23:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hey Lazer, got a minute to talk? I need to shine my mind-control beams through your eyes some more.
What do you think about Risk in the past few pages? He is making sense alot of sense. Ghor is trying to justify his lie by bringing up the most crazy fucking accusations I've seen in a while. What about you? Can you clarify what was going on here, because I thought ghor was going after risk, and you seemed concerned about CC for some reason. On April 07 2013 13:03 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 12:17 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright fuck this. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so.
##vote: VisceraEyes
If cheesecake was scum this thread would not be dead and people would be talking. We are most likely barking up the wrong tree so fuck it. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so and I don't feel like providing any other reasoning apart from saying that he is one of 3 people I am suspicious of.
DO IT UP ##Unvote:risk.nuke
##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD
LM defended both hopeless and RoL as lynch bait, but said hopeless was an ok lynch after being asked. He didn't defend Sylencia as lynch bait. His attack on RoL was fairly unserious and his arguments inconsistent, and he attacked a lot of his former townreads during D2, but without really sticking to them.
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On April 10 2013 00:20 Ghor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 23:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I kinda figured you were medic after you asked for protection, Ghor. My first game as doctor I did the same exact thing night 1, and got killed :p. I was hoping scum didn't pick up on that and kill you l0l. Heh, scum didn't figure it out this time :d . Who do you think are the two scum between RoL, LM and hopeless? I am most sure about RoL currently but his scumbuddy sure does a good job. A few things I caught up while rereading: Hopeless attacked risk saying "Risk knows CC is town", the early "scumslip". While it wasn't a scumslip, it would speak for a scum hopeless cause he might know you're town (assuming you are) and immediately interpreted that post by risk as scummy according to his prior major knowledge. Hopeless also has shown inconsistency regarding RoL. + Show Spoiler +On April 07 2013 05:01 Hopeless1der wrote:both RoL and I have zero votes on us. Explain to me how I'm responsible for playing the game for you. The fact that people are A) willing to do nothing until we return and B) wont vote us in the interim suggests to me that RoL is town. Ghor has made perfect sense regarding what he finds suspicious about risk.nuke. Lazer, you made some reference to ghor is trying to cover up a lie. Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 23:59 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 05 2013 23:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hey Lazer, got a minute to talk? I need to shine my mind-control beams through your eyes some more.
What do you think about Risk in the past few pages? He is making sense alot of sense. Ghor is trying to justify his lie by bringing up the most crazy fucking accusations I've seen in a while. What about you? Can you clarify what was going on here, because I thought ghor was going after risk, and you seemed concerned about CC for some reason. On April 07 2013 13:03 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 12:17 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright fuck this. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so.
##vote: VisceraEyes
If cheesecake was scum this thread would not be dead and people would be talking. We are most likely barking up the wrong tree so fuck it. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so and I don't feel like providing any other reasoning apart from saying that he is one of 3 people I am suspicious of.
DO IT UP ##Unvote:risk.nuke
##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD LM defended both hopeless and RoL as lynch bait, but said hopeless was an ok lynch after being asked. He didn't defend Sylencia as lynch bait. His attack on RoL was fairly unserious and his arguments inconsistent, and he attacked a lot of his former townreads during D2, but without really sticking to them.
He did say "Hopeless is a decent lynch" however, I think it was a preparation for a bus. The 3 options are:
Lazer - RoL
Lazer - Hopeless
RoL- Hopeless
RoL blatantly said he had a fairly strong town read on Lazer day 2. I don't think scum would do that, as they are more inclinded to give a slight scummy or slight town read, as opposed to a strong one.
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Well ninjad.
Let's see what these three bring to the table. If hopeless keeps not showing the activity of D1 I'll lynch him.
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RoL blatantly said he had a fairly strong town read on Lazer day 2. I don't think scum would do that, as they are more inclinded to give a slight scummy or slight town read, as opposed to a strong one.
Scum Blazinghand in "The game" actually defended lynchbait townies the hardest while keeping himself doors open for bussing regarding his teammates. I wouldn't use that heuristic.
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On April 10 2013 00:28 Ghor wrote:Show nested quote +RoL blatantly said he had a fairly strong town read on Lazer day 2. I don't think scum would do that, as they are more inclinded to give a slight scummy or slight town read, as opposed to a strong one. Scum Blazinghand in "The game" actually defended lynchbait townies the hardest while keeping himself doors open for bussing regarding his teammates. I wouldn't use that heuristic.
Except Lazer wasn't lynchbait, RoL was the lynchbait. RoL gave Lazer a strong-as-hell townie read which is just begging for #associations later if they are scumbuddies.
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On April 10 2013 00:28 Ghor wrote:Show nested quote +RoL blatantly said he had a fairly strong town read on Lazer day 2. I don't think scum would do that, as they are more inclinded to give a slight scummy or slight town read, as opposed to a strong one. Scum Blazinghand in "The game" actually defended lynchbait townies the hardest while keeping himself doors open for bussing regarding his teammates. I wouldn't use that heuristic.
In fact, you actually prove my point. Lazer defended both Hopeless and RoL and had outs with pretty much either one, especially Hopeless.
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On April 10 2013 00:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 00:28 Ghor wrote:RoL blatantly said he had a fairly strong town read on Lazer day 2. I don't think scum would do that, as they are more inclinded to give a slight scummy or slight town read, as opposed to a strong one. Scum Blazinghand in "The game" actually defended lynchbait townies the hardest while keeping himself doors open for bussing regarding his teammates. I wouldn't use that heuristic. In fact, you actually prove my point. Lazer defended both Hopeless and RoL and had outs with pretty much either one, especially Hopeless.
Yeah you're right. We still have time and I'll keep digging through LM. I do somewhat want to get the other scumread pinned down at the same time cause I won't be able to find it when I'm dead, if we lynch correctly.
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Hmm... I can't really see the possibility of a Hopeless + RoL team. They were both lurky fucks the entire game and did stupid shit.
Do you think they both could be scum? Personally, I actually just want to lynch the shit out of Lazer right now.
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On April 10 2013 00:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hmm... I can't really see the possibility of a Hopeless + RoL team. They were both lurky fucks the entire game and did stupid shit.
Do you think they both could be scum? Personally, I actually just want to lynch the shit out of Lazer right now.
From what I gained so far you wouldn't lynch RoL?
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On April 10 2013 00:56 Ghor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 00:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hmm... I can't really see the possibility of a Hopeless + RoL team. They were both lurky fucks the entire game and did stupid shit.
Do you think they both could be scum? Personally, I actually just want to lynch the shit out of Lazer right now. From what I gained so far you wouldn't lynch RoL?
Nope, not yet. Scumteam is probably Lazer + 1 of the two others. That's how I see it. We just have to figure out who the other one is. I'm leaning Hopeless quite hard atm.
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The problem with your choice, CC, is that all of your case against LM is connection-based, whereas my arguments against RoL are about his lack of discussion, him being too sure about his reads and too quick to hammer. I barely see RoL being in doubt about people, instead he drops cases and pursues them without double-checking, at a stage where I don't manage to be sure about anyone. That looks to me like he doesn't really have doubts about people's alignment but just picks people to lynch and lays back waiting for town to hammer.
Even when he announced he had time to be more active I didn't see the discussion and information digging I'd expect from him.
So at the moment, we have these people wanting to lynch:
CC: Lazermonkey, Hopeless
Me: RoL and someone I don't know yet. I'm not sure about CC either.
Hopeless, RoL, LM. Please state your lynch choices.
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On April 10 2013 01:46 Ghor wrote:
The problem with your choice, CC, is that all of your case against LM is connection-based, whereas my arguments against RoL are about his lack of discussion, him being too sure about his reads and too quick to hammer. I barely see RoL being in doubt about people, instead he drops cases and pursues them without double-checking, at a stage where I don't manage to be sure about anyone. That looks to me like he doesn't really have doubts about people's alignment but just picks people to lynch and lays back waiting for town to hammer.
Even when he announced he had time to be more active I didn't see the discussion and information digging I'd expect from him.
So at the moment, we have these people wanting to lynch:
CC: Lazermonkey, Hopeless
Me: RoL and someone I don't know yet. I'm not sure about CC either.
Hopeless, RoL, LM. Please state your lynch choices.
I do this so much at lylo, haha.
But LM is scummy on his own. He pushed for the Syl mislynch and let you do most of the work (you, after all, posted that giant case while LM was like 'eeeeeeeeh we should lynch syl over hopeless guys...' Day 2, he voted RoL weakly. Then sheeped my vote on you. Then voted VE when his scumread RoL came back. He also made sure his vote was as far away from Risk as humanly possible and barely ever commented on him. I think he knew town was going to push the lynch through without his help.
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Yeah those are all fine arguments actually.
I also noticed something else that would probably support your association:
On April 02 2013 22:42 Lazermonkey wrote:Btw risk, your main argument against Hopeless at this point is that he entered the thread and was posting but didn't actually say anything of value, i.e. actively lurking. While I do agree this point, I feel that this was exactly how Sylencia entetered the thread. Yet you only mention Hopeless, why is that? I do know that Sylencia have since then been posting one big post but earlier you posted this: Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 11:07 risk.nuke wrote:
Viscera. Tunneling isn't about time, it's about not having an open mind. You lashed out at me instantly and agressively for the smallest thing so clearly you're looking at me as if I am scum and are trying to find things things that are scummy about me to confirm that belief. Aka tunneling.
You want REAL scummy shit. Everyone that's not posting are scummier then those who are posting.
For 2, I personally think Hopeless1der look very uninterested in finding scum. mentioning Hopeless but never Sylencia and that is well before Sylencias big post.
On April 03 2013 07:09 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 06:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
I feel like he got caught with his pants down trying to tiptoe around a risk.nuke lynch. He was indirectly supporting the risk.nuke wagon without adding his vote. Regardless of risk.nuke's alignment, that's a suspicious action out of Hopeless. If at the time he felt like risk.nuke was scum (which his whole association BS is supposing) then there's no reason for him to be indirectly supporting the wagon while trying to start a counter-wagon on someone else. isn't this like exactly what Ghor did? or am I missing something? You don't seem to think that he is scummy. Your other point is quite good though,I must admit. But Syl looks far worse still.
On April 03 2013 07:12 Lazermonkey wrote:
EBWOP: And to clarify I don't actually agree with your first point!
Lazer always agreed with the points being scummy, but instead of drawing conclusions about hopeless he soft-defended him by pointing out other players who did the same stuff.
Except for the point that also applies to sylencia, I don't really understand the motivation here to post this stuff. LM agreed on points being scummy about both me and hopeless but actually didn't suspect me at the time.
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Then he called out CC and risk for not being on hopeless for good reason, but said me and VE had good reasons to be on hopeless. If he deemed these reasons to be "good", then why didn't he push hopeless with them?
VE and Ghor I think have decent reasons to be on him atm.
The reason I didn't say anything about this earlier is because I wanted Hopeless to defend himself rather than me do it for him, but since we are one vote away from killing him atm, my strategy has indeed failed.
So, Lazermonkey defended hopeless 1 vote away from his lynch. But he did actually defend him pretty hard, do you think he would defend a scumbuddy like that?
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I went through hopeless' town games LM linked and hopeless doesn't look like in this one actually.
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On April 05 2013 05:10 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 04:55 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 05 2013 04:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 05 2013 04:44 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 05 2013 04:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
No where do I suggest that a No-Lynch is a good idea. The apathy with which he was willing to vote Sylencia is my problem The alternative for him would be a No-lynch. I was on the verge of voting you at that time as no lynch is really fucking terrible, does it make me scum? No, because you werent advocating my lynch all day with arguments such as On April 03 2013 03:17 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm feeling confident hopeless is scum, I haven't gone over Sylencia yet.
I don't have time now but I'll get back to you on him later. On April 03 2013 14:27 risk.nuke wrote:
We're not lynching anyone other then hopeless. RoL you got to be joking if you think that we're going to lynch cheesecake first. While I agree with your posts and I had some thoughts in simmilar direction last night. It's still a weaker case then on hopeless. I don't like how you haven't talked about me since your vote and I would like you to comment further on me and hopeless.
Hopeless is obvious scum and has pretty much given up by now. This is not how he plays as town.
And Ghor's post are not hard to read. If you disregard the fact that he speaks in third person and often don't use capital letters they're actually very simple to read and even efficiently phrased.
Sylencia. Who do you want to kill? On April 04 2013 05:50 risk.nuke wrote:On April 04 2013 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 04 2013 05:38 risk.nuke wrote:
Ghor, I'm glad you dropped the roleplay, even if it's just temporary it means you care enough for the lynch to stop rping and it says something about you. If hope is town I think it's very unlikely you're mafia and stopped rp'ing to prevent it. However if hope flips scum I'm going to have a real close look at you.
I don't want you to say I'm town because I'm not playing like my scum meta. I generally don't play like this as town either. I would however like you to get your head out of your arse and see that I am scumhunting and contributing and understand that that is town behavior and therefor I am a bad lynch for today. Shut up. What do you think of Sylencia vs Hopeless lynch? lol... Where does it look like I stand? risk doesn't give a shit who got lynched, as long as it wasnt him. What?! I was doing the EXACT same thing as risk was doing ( except the other way around). I pushed Sylencia the whole day, defended you and STILL was willing to vote you. So, please explain how Risks actions only makes him scum... risk didn't push me. You pushed sylencia. Do you not see a difference in the way you and risk have played, because I see one.
Do you see scumbuddies posting this though?
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Then this:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 05:16 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 05:10 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 05 2013 04:55 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 05 2013 04:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 05 2013 04:44 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 05 2013 04:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
No where do I suggest that a No-Lynch is a good idea. The apathy with which he was willing to vote Sylencia is my problem The alternative for him would be a No-lynch. I was on the verge of voting you at that time as no lynch is really fucking terrible, does it make me scum? No, because you werent advocating my lynch all day with arguments such as On April 03 2013 03:17 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm feeling confident hopeless is scum, I haven't gone over Sylencia yet.
I don't have time now but I'll get back to you on him later. On April 03 2013 14:27 risk.nuke wrote:
We're not lynching anyone other then hopeless. RoL you got to be joking if you think that we're going to lynch cheesecake first. While I agree with your posts and I had some thoughts in simmilar direction last night. It's still a weaker case then on hopeless. I don't like how you haven't talked about me since your vote and I would like you to comment further on me and hopeless.
Hopeless is obvious scum and has pretty much given up by now. This is not how he plays as town.
And Ghor's post are not hard to read. If you disregard the fact that he speaks in third person and often don't use capital letters they're actually very simple to read and even efficiently phrased.
Sylencia. Who do you want to kill? On April 04 2013 05:50 risk.nuke wrote:On April 04 2013 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 04 2013 05:38 risk.nuke wrote:
Ghor, I'm glad you dropped the roleplay, even if it's just temporary it means you care enough for the lynch to stop rping and it says something about you. If hope is town I think it's very unlikely you're mafia and stopped rp'ing to prevent it. However if hope flips scum I'm going to have a real close look at you.
I don't want you to say I'm town because I'm not playing like my scum meta. I generally don't play like this as town either. I would however like you to get your head out of your arse and see that I am scumhunting and contributing and understand that that is town behavior and therefor I am a bad lynch for today. Shut up. What do you think of Sylencia vs Hopeless lynch? lol... Where does it look like I stand? risk doesn't give a shit who got lynched, as long as it wasnt him. What?! I was doing the EXACT same thing as risk was doing ( except the other way around). I pushed Sylencia the whole day, defended you and STILL was willing to vote you. So, please explain how Risks actions only makes him scum... risk didn't push me. You pushed sylencia. Do you not see a difference in the way you and risk have played, because I see one. Yes he did. Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 14:27 risk.nuke wrote:
We're not lynching anyone other then hopeless. RoL you got to be joking if you think that we're going to lynch cheesecake first. While I agree with your posts and I had some thoughts in simmilar direction last night. It's still a weaker case then on hopeless. I don't like how you haven't talked about me since your vote and I would like you to comment further on me and hopeless.
Hopeless is obvious scum and has pretty much given up by now. This is not how he plays as town.
And Ghor's post are not hard to read. If you disregard the fact that he speaks in third person and often don't use capital letters they're actually very simple to read and even efficiently phrased.
Sylencia. Who do you want to kill? Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 01:27 risk.nuke wrote:
Hopeless, my case on you is not meta based. Meta is generally only something I use to gather others to my case once it's been made.
My problem with you is I called you out for not caring about scum hunting quite early, and despite that you didn't give a shit about trying to up your game, while you weren't under any pressure. Nor have you claimed busy. You just straight out was lurking and never scumhunting or caring about the game.
Your only contributions were highly suspicious egging-on-from-the-shadows posts.
My impression on you which I've gotten from games I've played with you before is you're an intelligent individual. So why have an intelligent townie not given a shit about scumhunting or making cases.
Additionally later when you after ages bring up your theory. You come up with the WORST and MOST UNLIKELY possible theory for scumbuddies that only makes it seem like you're not reading the thread. Ghor have been sharper with his comments on me then anyone else in the thread. And additionally I am just about the most active player in the game.
The only possible explanations are you're scum or a townie who's not putting in any time in the game. But then why haven't you come clean and admitted you haven't given a shit about the game because that is the only other possible explanation I might had believed. But even with that your egging on posts doesn't make sense. This does indeed look like pushing to me. Don't know what you consider pushing though.
LM is actively talking back against hopeless' arguments and even going through risk's filter to bring up arguments in risk's favor.
I don't see scum doing that to each other and posting information in a townie's favor, and if they did, they should get a medal for the acting, still makes me think they can't have the same alignment (if one is scum).
I stick to the opinion. He was inactive to the point of getting warned multiple times and doesn't seem to really give a fuck about figuring out scum, only about lynching people with few reasoning and prior investigation.
Cheesecake, what do you think of RoL-CC scumteam?
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Russian Federation140 Posts
^ I stick to the opinion about RoL
##Vote RoL
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I'm town, I'd suggest removing that vote before both scum are online at the same time.
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I'd like to wait a bit before weighing in. I want to see what LM and Hopeless have to say.
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CC quotes regarding RoL
I also find it interesting that he gives RoL a townie read.
@lazer: you had a scumread on RoL and are now voting with him? trollololol?
HOPELESS
Do you not think Ghor is scum still? You said you were 'less convinced' but I don't recall anything recently regarding Ghor. You seem to arise the minute RoL comes in and vote him for doing a stupid VE vote.
Okay the problem here is that If RoL were scum Idk if he'd kill VE.
Except Lazer wasn't lynchbait, RoL was the lynchbait. RoL gave Lazer a strong-as-hell townie read which is just begging for #associations later if they are scumbuddies.
Scumslip? You speak of Rol being the townie, but say it begs for associations that HE gave Lazer a townread, and not the contrary.
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On April 09 2013 16:21 Lazermonkey wrote:Well, I'm not doctor at least.. Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 08:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If doctor claims then 2 of the 3 remaining people are scum. I like dem odds. 2 of the 4.
As a side note, I really feel funny about this post. It's like he didn't realize he could count himself out if he knew he was town.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
RoL you made a very early case against CC but then proceeded to lurk and ignore him, lately you counted him among your scumreads but at the same time brought up arguments as to why he isn't scum (thread dead when he's being discussed).
Where did your fancy CC read go, and why does your latest post suggest interest into LM?
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running out of witty remarks Count:
RebirthOfLegend ( 1): Ghor
Not Voting ( 4 ): everybody else
With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch. If you see a mistake please notify us. This is instant majority lynch.
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I dont think RoL / CC scumteam is possible. because im town.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
Except Lazer wasn't lynchbait, RoL was the lynchbait. RoL gave Lazer a strong-as-hell townie read which is just begging for #associations later if they are scumbuddies.
Scumslip? You speak of Rol being the townie, but say it begs for associations that HE gave Lazer a townread, and not the contrary.
Nevermind this one actually, the sentence confused me a little.
RoL you bring up a pretty good point actually I'm being a little tunneled, should not be rash with my vote, even if you look bad.
##Unvote
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running out of witty remarks Count:
RebirthOfLegend ( 0): Ghor ,Ghor
Not Voting ( 5 ): everybody
With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch. If you see a mistake please notify us. This is instant majority lynch.
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I suggest not voting for a while. We cant hammer scum without me.
At work so i cant post
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Honestly I'm out of clues. Town played badly, all candidates look scummy, most didn't want to participate, and if CC is scum then he's more active than most of this town and deserves to win.
Curse risk for giving up and not discussing last day and Sylencia for coming back a few minutes after the lynch. This is frustrating.
Hopeless just doesn't do shit except throw in a few one-liners once in a while, and doesn't come in when things matter.
RoL what do you suggest for lynch?
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Russian Federation140 Posts
And to not sound too arrogant, my reads were shit and I have no idea what to do.
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Russian Federation140 Posts
##Vote hopeless1der
Objections?
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Russian Federation140 Posts
The other scum is RoL.
Watc
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ghor unvote plox. RoL is scum, but you were willing to unvote him. If you're wrong, scum can come in and hammer if they coordinate
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On April 10 2013 06:59 Hopeless1der wrote:
ghor unvote plox. RoL is scum, but you were willing to unvote him. If you're wrong, scum can come in and hammer if they coordinate
Look at that, a wild hopeless delurks.
I know RoL is also scum, and I'm fully aware I'm going all-in on you.
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that hour long delurk...k. I don't really know how to convince you otherwise. Why are you more convinced I'm scum?
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well you're wrong but okay then. If you won't unvote, scum will take care of me
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Don't worry, you'll still be alive in 12 hours, then town will take care of you.
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Alright that's more or less what I was waiting for. I wanted to see if either LM or hopeless would counter claim the medic call, and they didn't. LM already claimed townie but hopeless had no claimed at all.
Sorry for procrastinating. I figured if you were scum ghur that a smart play would be to pretend your the medic and secure a lynch before the other medic had a chance to counter claim. Now that is not a possibility anymore.
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As I said previously, I felt the silence around the CC lynch was awkward. I'd be willing to lynch hopeless. But I should probably reread first. Sorry about my lackluster activity today. I'm sick as a dog right now and my head is throbbing. I have spent most of the day sleeping.
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RoL is far scummier than I am. I'd hammer myself if it weren't mylo.
##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD
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Russian Federation140 Posts
Hopeless let me hear your reasons for lynching RoL then.
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LM and CC get discussed for lynch → RoL and hopeless nowhere to see.
I post stuff against you and RoL, and you both magically appear bussing each other.
Come on.
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When have you ever expressed any thoughts of me being scum hopeless? What made you so sure now?
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On April 10 2013 08:33 Hopeless1der wrote:
RoL is far scummier than I am. I'd hammer myself if it weren't mylo.
##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD
Also, what's with this phrasing? I'm far scummier than you? You know there is a 66% chance I am scum, you should know you aren't scum if you aren't. What's do you look so apprehensive?
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On April 10 2013 08:45 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
When have you ever expressed any thoughts of me being scum hopeless? What made you so sure now?
The culmination of days upon days of promised activity and reads was summed up in:
On April 07 2013 12:17 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright fuck this. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so.
##vote: VisceraEyes
If cheesecake was scum this thread would not be dead and people would be talking. We are most likely barking up the wrong tree so fuck it. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so and I don't feel like providing any other reasoning apart from saying that he is one of 3 people I am suspicious of.
DO IT UP
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Here, hopeless, let me formulate it for you:
Half of this game is him being afk, one quarter is justifying himself, the other quarter is making cases, then either fuck off or spam to hammer the read.
Then discussing stuff like where his townreads come from and the benefits of no-lynching, and asking who the medic is.
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I'm surprised RoL won't vote me.
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Also, you seem to agree that RoL is scummier than I am, yet there's your vote...
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Russian Federation140 Posts
Your increase in activity is remarkable.
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yeah well I still don't want to lose despite my lackluster performance
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Hey LM. Any comments on the situation?
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Explain how RoL didn't die for so long dispite having a vote on him... Had he been town he would've been killed by now. Same goes with hopeless.
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And who is the second scum?
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Gg town, really need to sleep now. Will talk more tomorrow.
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Will discuss more when i get home from work.
That ending was hilariously fail on my end hahaha
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GG scum. Deserved victory.
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RoL I hate you so fucking much.
SO MUCH
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I don't wanna hear you talk about policy lynching me EVER again you shit. You come in after a LONGER absence then mine, and come in and vote me with no reasoning? AS TOWN? YOU'RE A SHIT! FUCK!
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I don't understand how town can be so much more inactive than mafia. CC and Lazer were like the most pro-town dudes in the game lol.
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I thought RoL was scum the whole game while obsing
-_-
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GHOR FUCK YOUR QUICK RISK HAMMER WTF I SAID I WAS READING
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But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
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It's okay, VE, I understand. This game was frustrating as a town player.
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On April 10 2013 10:28 Promethelax wrote:
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
this
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Anyone want to do a skype-rant on the game?
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I'll just rage about RoL the whole time, pass.
*fume*
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On April 10 2013 10:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
GHOR FUCK YOUR QUICK RISK HAMMER WTF I SAID I WAS READING
Sorry must have missed that. Got trigger-happy there cause I was suspicious and pissed at risk not wanting to post and wanted to see his flip.
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I was manipulating my scumbuddy like a boss.
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YO JUST SAYING.
CALLED CC DAY ONE
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YO FUCK OFF ROL SONOFABITCH
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I'll type up a longer analysis later. Some initial thoughts:
1) Reasonably active scumteam rolled an inactive town. That was the game right there.
2) The lack of a town-leader is devastating in this setup more than the normal games IMO. Day 2 turned into a complete waste of time as town waddled around between suspicions, then swung a quick-emotional lynch on risk. The risk.nuke lynch was terrible. He was playing nothing like his scum-meta, and wasn't even objectively scummy. Even mislynching RoL or Hopeless on Day 2 would improve your prospects on Day 3 so much more.
3) Don't vote at LYLO unless it's a coordinated town effort! One wrong vote by a townie is insta-GG via scum-hammer.
Also, how was the setup itself? Any improvements/tweaks you'd like for the next version?
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I liked the setup - I just pray for a more active roster in the next one. -.-
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As far as the scum, CC and Lazer did a really good job staying active.
I thought Lazer was really catchable with his Day 2 voting actions (he was really throwing his vote around for litte rationale), but it was hard to take a serious look at him given the poor town atmosphere and activity.
CC played an excellent game. RoL made some good observations on CC with his initial case on him (namely his negative attitude towards discussion and some passive finger-pointing), but the case wasn't pushed at all, and you're not going to lynch an active player like that.
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On April 10 2013 10:41 Hapahauli wrote:
As far as the scum, CC and Lazer did a really good job staying active.
I thought Lazer was really catchable with his Day 2 voting actions (he was really throwing his vote around for litte rationale), but it was hard to take a serious look at him given the poor town atmosphere and activity.
CC played an excellent game. RoL made some good observations on CC with his initial case on him (namely his negative attitude towards discussion and some passive finger-pointing), but the case wasn't pushed at all, and you're not going to lynch an active player like that.
Yeah, I was really busy around that time and just had time to post the case and couldn't do much more. I will say I was really annoyed that the town was mad that I didn't comment on hopeless/sylencia at that point. There really was no discussion leading up to that, it was practically idle jabs with nothing significant brought forward.
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I felt that the 48-hour Day 1 felt really artificial. I'll probably tweak the time-mechanics a bit for the next version. I'm thinking either...
a) A "time-bank" mechanic. Town starts with 72-96 hours on Day 1, and gains 24 more hours every cycle. If time ever expires on town, the day ends in a no-lynch.
b) A flat 1-week time limit on the game.
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iamp tipped me off to lazer with some post timing in obsqt, but CC was pretty nice. dandel vouching him didn't help me there.
no idea wtf hopeless/rol were playing at all game
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and risk was by far the towniest guy in the game. really odd lynch.
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On April 10 2013 11:06 marvellosity wrote:
iamp tipped me off to lazer with some post timing in obsqt, but CC was pretty nice. dandel vouching him didn't help me there.
no idea wtf hopeless/rol were playing at all game
lol I thought since everyone and their mother just lurked he'd do that too if he was scum.
meh, happens.
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I was actually the towniest guy in the game - unless you were referring to not-VE players.
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Out of curiosity, why did you guys target VE?
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wanted to lynch me + we thought he was protected n1 so it was a good nk.
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COOL WAY TO CATCH CC:
If he is playing properly. He is scum bro.
Got one scum right, happy about that
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On April 10 2013 11:10 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 11:06 marvellosity wrote:
iamp tipped me off to lazer with some post timing in obsqt, but CC was pretty nice. dandel vouching him didn't help me there.
no idea wtf hopeless/rol were playing at all game lol I thought since everyone and their mother just lurked he'd do that too if he was scum. meh, happens.
You didn't read Nomination Mini apparently. He played pretty darn active there as scum too.
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On April 10 2013 10:48 Hapahauli wrote:
I felt that the 48-hour Day 1 felt really artificial. I'll probably tweak the time-mechanics a bit for the next version. I'm thinking either...
a) A "time-bank" mechanic. Town starts with 72-96 hours on Day 1, and gains 24 more hours every cycle. If time ever expires on town, the day ends in a no-lynch.
b) A flat 1-week time limit on the game.
a) does look interesting. As it requires townies to decide when to hammer, and gives scum an excuse to. That makes days to me actually variable length.
not b? especially not until a was tried and failed (except I dont think it would)
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My actual death post...
Axles dying Words: and he scores! nk=n1 ..... bucket_list(0) = tick! GG HF
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Skip: <Stands Looking at Axles still warm corpse.>
Skip: <walks over and gives him one last be wet doggy lick>
Skip: <Turns at looks intently at the town members one by one>
Skip: ow Ow Ow oooooooooooooh, in the silence of the twilight.
Skip: <Walks slowly towards the end of town, still watching the 'townies' intently.>
As skip approaches the mirror at the end of Town, you think you hear someone say "/obs prease"
You look around, for who.
When you look back Skip is missing too.
The mirrored window no longer seems relevant and you ignore it.
+ Show Spoiler [axle] +IMO: in game death posts, are still best in std form. gghf pocorn. As there is to me implicit information even in my dying words. (it implies I had considered the possibility...)
The skip stuff could be fine as I did compose it pre game, but if you suspect I didn't ...
So meh, post game for player flavoured deaths.
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Look at me spam in the dead zone.
Oh and scum well played... CC especially had me.
D2 I would have actively looked at Laser with the rest... I did have multiple theories at n1 (some included laser)
but my guess in obs (dead wrong) was my best guess, when I passively read some more of the game and committed.
Live and learn or not.
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GG friends.
CC played quite well. iamp's hints kind of lead us to LM, but I was still hooked on hoeless or RoL for the second scum. Never even really thought CC was a possibility.
Nice scum play in general, I think. Played to the town quite well.
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Marv want to tell me who is scum because I have no idea.
I can't make sense of any of Ghor(Vivax)/RoL/Hopeless if they are town.
LM and CC doesn't really have anything to make me think they are town except that the other 3 look so much worse.
LM is probably the most townie looking of the two of them. I wonder if he will die tonight.
Ghor, Hopeless and RoL. Thank you for not giving a shit about this game. Thank you for having the most awful reads and being a bunch of emotional omgusing asshats in denial
Hopeless, you're a retard to the bone. How could you be so delusional about your own game? How you could you think you played like a townie? At some point you must have looked at yourself and said, holy noodle I'm an omgusing little twat who lurks and only come out when I'm called out, I should step up my game.
RoL, you lurked the majority of the game only to come out with some quick thoughts on how we should kill a person out of the blue in the middle of a lynchdiscussion which you basically dropped and disappeared. Town cut you the slack you wanted and when you promised activity you delayed more then 24 hours and then came in posting how we should kill the only two townie looking players in the game.
Ghor, compared to RoL and Hopeless you played like a champion and actually cared about the game. I couldn't shake a scumread on you because from day 1 you were tunnelling me and refusing to see anything I did as townie, dismissing absolutely everything that made anyone else see I was townie and kept tunnelling me. The initial impression I got from Ghor was that he was intelligent and I had a hard time even after learning who you were to believe Ghor would be such an idiot in that regard. I looked up other games from you and I was coming around on my read, only to find that you just hammered me before I got a chance to post. For absolutely no reason but that you got impatient.
On April 05 2013 07:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
risk do something for me. Filter Cheese. Hit All. Ctrl-F "Lazer".
Read all the posts that he quotes Lazer. Tell me what you see.
This post must have given you a heart attack CC/LM
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First, something relevant:
All of town didn't sound sure about hopeless and RoL, and it should actually be worth a look when people like LM and CC don't find these people scummy, or defend them as lynch bait where everyone else doesn't have a clue. Especially if you are one of those people and know you're town you should take a closer look at anyone defending you like that.
Sorry to pull you out of your shell where you did everything right, but everything you say I was, was actually your own fault.
You played like a dick at a time where I was choosing between you and CC, and I even asked you nicely to discuss with me,
omgus:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 21:00 Ghor wrote:Several hours before lynch: Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 20:04 risk.nuke wrote:On April 05 2013 19:49 Ghor wrote:
@ risk
You said you found that D2 post from me suspicious, can you specify what and why?
Was that vote on CC indicative of suspicion or did you just want him to talk?
Both, I wanted to put more pressure on him because he didn't seem to take things seriously. On April 05 2013 04:43 Ghor wrote:Got really sad when I saw Sylencia's flip. Didn't expect him to flip town at all . I'm still not sure what to make of the risk vs hopeless situation, and I'll be busy very soon until tomorrow. I would like to advise to go through a few things (will do that myself once I have time, but I think it's where we have to look at).Still, quick rundown: Check everybody's scumreads before the lynch, especially for weak pushes or even absence (considered RoL's absence to be scummy, but he gave an excuse and promised activity for 4 days which seems rather townie).
In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case there (whereas hopeless said it was for self-preservation, will have to check if CC and hopeless gave out a sylencia read at all).I'll have to scrutiny CC some more in general cause I didn't really pay enough attention to him since the risk pressure thing, and I don't know why he thinks I'm scum. I would like to hear reasons for that. With that, I'll contribute more when I'm back and have more time. Good hunting. I didn't like neither of the bolded statements. I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious. I think that's odd. Because the only legit reason you could feel that is if you had a strong townread on hopeless or disagreed with my arguments against him. Shortly before lynch: Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 05:42 risk.nuke wrote:
I think syl's absence makes him look worse, however he has posts with thoughts I can follow and I liked that, there were other posts I didn't like such as how slow he was to take a stand on lynches and also where he ended up however I'm not sure that's necessarily scumplay as opposed to just bad town play. Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 06:03 risk.nuke wrote:
I said I didn't want to lynch him, it's about the same time Ghor pulled his 180 on me.
I want to lynch Hope, I would rather lynch RoL before I lynch Syl but I will vote Syl to ensure a lynch.
That's what I think about lynching Syl. ARE YOU HAPPY? Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 06:24 risk.nuke wrote:
Ghor I wouldn't hammer VE either because VE is a townread. I would hammer a null-read rather then to see a no-lynch. Can you not see the difference in that? Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 06:32 risk.nuke wrote:On April 04 2013 06:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm curious to know what the things you dislike about Syl are. You say there are things. What are they? Mainly his reluctance to take a stand about the lynch and his relationship with Ghor. He's pretty much the only one he's taken a stance on and it in a way looks like tunneling hidden behind a claimed general dislike for Ghors writing. However I'm also not sure if a scum Syl would tunnel a person so blatantly poorly while being passive about voting him. If he was scum he should have had a teammate to tell him he's playing awefully and give him some advice. Did you say why you would lynch RoL over Syl? Why hopeless is a better lynch than syl (you told us your lynch priorities, but didn't seem to act according to them)? Find it suspicious that people started a counter bandwagon over obvious scum hopeless? All I see is you going like this: "Syl could be scum cause of x, syl could be town cause of y, I will vote syl not cause of these reasons, but only to ensure a lynch, I will mention these reasons anyway cause people ask me to". Now obviously, you will say "But Ghor, did you prefer a no-lynch instead?". No, of course not, but it's about your behaviour before the lynch, and your apparent opportunism towards the sylencia lynch and fear of being wrong, and the stuff you just said now that says you should look townie for opposing the lynch when you really didn't oppose it, but only gave your opinions about. "But Ghor, I wasn't confident" I'm sure you weren't, cause it conflicts with your objectives to notoppose a townie lynch, and assuming hopeless is town by now, being one of the main pushers of a town lynch was probably a worse option, but you could not simply jump on the sylencia wagon without justification. So you'd simply give out controversial opinions about sylencia to not look inconsistent with your earlier hopeless' superstrong scumread (by giving points in favour of scumlencia and justify a vote on him), but also giving out townie points to be able to justify that you never pushed sylencia before. Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 20:24 risk.nuke wrote:On April 05 2013 20:14 Ghor wrote:
I found the situation (and still do) between you and hopeless hard to resolve. I think only one of you is scum, and I'm not able to establish which one.
That's part of the reason I was more interested into lynching sylencia D1, cause I want to see more from you and hopeless to be able to make a better decision, whereas sylencia looked very scummy to me (but turned out to be lynchbait).
You stating what you thought of sylencia is not enough. It's easy for scum to be right as opposed to a majority of townies who might be pushing for a mislynch. What matters is that you didn't fight the sylencia lynch in favour of the hopeless lynch when you should have, according to your earlier statement about hopeless , and instead seem to want to take credit for a townread on a dead townie now.
Why do you find CC suspicious? Why have you ruled out the possibility both me and hope are town? I did as much as I could to make people vote hopeless, should I had reworded and spammed the case against him every 5 minutes? And I didn't just say I opposed a syl lynch, towncred plox. I specified arguments for why the arguments against him could be wrong. At the same time I didn't feel confident enough to just say shut up I am dead certain you are wrong. I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious. Seem like you do want towncred for it though. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ So yeah, I back a risk lynch in favour over a hopeless lynch now. Sorry buddy :o]
##Vote risk.nuke
+ Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 21:48 risk.nuke wrote:
LOL, When I'm doing something townie, how is pointing that out to the thread scummy?
Where do your logic come from?
##vote: Ghor
I said I wanted to lynch Hopeless > RoL > Sylencia. You're saying I didn't act according to that. What bullshit because I did. You're just saying I didn't in words without disproving it, but saying something doesn't make it so.
I said I would switch to Sylencia to ensure a lynch. And so I did because there were no way in hell people were going to jump of sylencia and on hopeless with MINUTES to deadline. How is that opportunistic you little filth.
Denial:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 06 2013 02:53 Ghor wrote:
##Unvote
Risk, answer my points instead of telling me I'm full of shit. If you're town you have no reason to stop talking about CC if you find him weird, just cause I think you're scum.
RoL, do you have any reads to offer instead of discussing lynch options at this point? On April 06 2013 02:55 Ghor wrote:
In general, if I think you're scum, let me know what you thought in that situation I find scummy. Let me hear how you got to make decisions. Childish "Fuck you"-type of posts with reactionary omgus-vote won't help me get a better read on you. It only makes you look like you react excessively emotional to the brought case.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 07 2013 05:17 risk.nuke wrote:
Because I gave you a chance to prove that you give a shit about this game when you weren't under pressure. Which you didn't take.
RoL promised activity. I have an upcoming exam to study to. I'm not going to waste time discussing with the same old people and decide which one of the active players I want to kill while I still can't get reads on the suspicious lurkers. And Hope you've not been posting for a lot longer then most of us. Your last post was 48 hours ago. On April 08 2013 07:46 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm not bothering with you anymore Ghor. You're not so retarded that you could actually be town, just lay down and die. On April 07 2013 04:36 risk.nuke wrote:
I see no point in posting before RoL and Hope gets back. I've been waiting for them to make a move of their own free will.
How close we'd have been to lynching CC if risk didn't dick around in refusal.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 08 2013 05:28 Ghor wrote:
I'd like to introduce you to an interesting view.
I want to lynch CC and risk equally.
Risk wants to lynch me and agreed on CC being suspicious. Prefers me for lynch and doesn't ever pressure CC.
CC wants to lynch me and risk, but prefers me for lynch. He doesn't help in getting information out of risk.
Remember CC's early pressure vote and how he said he had no idea how risk could get +2 votes without even commenting on what happened?
@ Lazer
Don't think VE is scum. On April 08 2013 09:04 Ghor wrote:
I simply want him to respond to the points like a normal, calm dude before I decide that he's worth today's hammer.
I'm curious to see if he's actually able to take back the scumread from me.
He's being extremely abrasive and sounds pretty paranoid right now ("You don't want to know stuff from your top scumread"), so I'm not excluding he's just a pissed off townie who thinks he's being tackled by two scummers.
I need him to talk civil before deciding.
And now that the game is lost he suddenly was about to write posts? Bitch please. Risk behaved like an angry kid, no matter how nice you talked to him. After making a case against risk you're scum and retarded and he doesn't need to help you get a better read on him.
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Yo, I'm really happy I actually won a game where I was scum in : D. I had alooot of time during this game because I actually got a fracture in my finger 2 weeks ago, resulting in me having plaster on 3 fingers of my right hand : /. While that sucks, it also meant that I had much more time to invest in this game. Time was generally one of the main reasons ( or at least I would believe that) that caused me to fail in past games. So while it may have looked like I only posted a little bit ( though some of this also was because I basically was writing with 1,25 hands instead off 2 TT), I actually spend quite alot of time trying to read the thread and basically pretending to play town, with the only exception being that i was somewhat biased against CC .
Random thoughts'
It may have been because I was scum but I really found russian Ghor hillarious :D. And I don't understand why everyone was so hard on him for his play early. I think he was easy to follow and clear with his logic.
Town did indeed suffer from lurking. But I'd say the main reason you lost was because you were simply too off with your reads. I don't think the amount of posts in this game is a truly correct indication of our activity level because I feel that we had very little spam and no Marv with 17 pages of filter D1. So while there weren't that many posts with todays TL standards, there was stuff to analyze for sure.
Reading obs QT, I saw some of you considering me to be scum but never really understood what exactly made you feel that way.
Also saw that Hapa said our shot Axle was suboptimal, indicating VE was a better shot, because of heal leading to MYLO instead of LYLO D3 so not such big diference. I did know this but I'm not sure I agree, If someone gets healed then we are suddenly forced to go for 2 shots that mustn't get healed or we give town an extra day potentially. Seems like a huge risk to me. Also, you must factor in that VE being confirmed town to Ghor for one day is actually a quite big deal IMO.
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On April 10 2013 19:29 Ghor wrote:First, something relevant: All of town didn't sound sure about hopeless and RoL, and it should actually be worth a look when people like LM and CC don't find these people scummy, or defend them as lynch bait where everyone else doesn't have a clue. Especially if you are one of those people and know you're town you should take a closer look at anyone defending you like that. Sorry to pull you out of your shell where you did everything right, but everything you say I was, was actually your own fault. You played like a dick at a time where I was choosing between you and CC, and I even asked you nicely to discuss with me, omgus: + Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 21:00 Ghor wrote:Several hours before lynch: Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 20:04 risk.nuke wrote:On April 05 2013 19:49 Ghor wrote:
@ risk
You said you found that D2 post from me suspicious, can you specify what and why?
Was that vote on CC indicative of suspicion or did you just want him to talk?
Both, I wanted to put more pressure on him because he didn't seem to take things seriously. On April 05 2013 04:43 Ghor wrote:Got really sad when I saw Sylencia's flip. Didn't expect him to flip town at all . I'm still not sure what to make of the risk vs hopeless situation, and I'll be busy very soon until tomorrow. I would like to advise to go through a few things (will do that myself once I have time, but I think it's where we have to look at).Still, quick rundown: Check everybody's scumreads before the lynch, especially for weak pushes or even absence (considered RoL's absence to be scummy, but he gave an excuse and promised activity for 4 days which seems rather townie).
In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case there (whereas hopeless said it was for self-preservation, will have to check if CC and hopeless gave out a sylencia read at all).I'll have to scrutiny CC some more in general cause I didn't really pay enough attention to him since the risk pressure thing, and I don't know why he thinks I'm scum. I would like to hear reasons for that. With that, I'll contribute more when I'm back and have more time. Good hunting. I didn't like neither of the bolded statements. I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious. I think that's odd. Because the only legit reason you could feel that is if you had a strong townread on hopeless or disagreed with my arguments against him. Shortly before lynch: Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 05:42 risk.nuke wrote:
I think syl's absence makes him look worse, however he has posts with thoughts I can follow and I liked that, there were other posts I didn't like such as how slow he was to take a stand on lynches and also where he ended up however I'm not sure that's necessarily scumplay as opposed to just bad town play. Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 06:03 risk.nuke wrote:
I said I didn't want to lynch him, it's about the same time Ghor pulled his 180 on me.
I want to lynch Hope, I would rather lynch RoL before I lynch Syl but I will vote Syl to ensure a lynch.
That's what I think about lynching Syl. ARE YOU HAPPY? Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 06:24 risk.nuke wrote:
Ghor I wouldn't hammer VE either because VE is a townread. I would hammer a null-read rather then to see a no-lynch. Can you not see the difference in that? Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 06:32 risk.nuke wrote:On April 04 2013 06:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm curious to know what the things you dislike about Syl are. You say there are things. What are they? Mainly his reluctance to take a stand about the lynch and his relationship with Ghor. He's pretty much the only one he's taken a stance on and it in a way looks like tunneling hidden behind a claimed general dislike for Ghors writing. However I'm also not sure if a scum Syl would tunnel a person so blatantly poorly while being passive about voting him. If he was scum he should have had a teammate to tell him he's playing awefully and give him some advice. Did you say why you would lynch RoL over Syl? Why hopeless is a better lynch than syl (you told us your lynch priorities, but didn't seem to act according to them)? Find it suspicious that people started a counter bandwagon over obvious scum hopeless? All I see is you going like this: "Syl could be scum cause of x, syl could be town cause of y, I will vote syl not cause of these reasons, but only to ensure a lynch, I will mention these reasons anyway cause people ask me to". Now obviously, you will say "But Ghor, did you prefer a no-lynch instead?". No, of course not, but it's about your behaviour before the lynch, and your apparent opportunism towards the sylencia lynch and fear of being wrong, and the stuff you just said now that says you should look townie for opposing the lynch when you really didn't oppose it, but only gave your opinions about. "But Ghor, I wasn't confident" I'm sure you weren't, cause it conflicts with your objectives to notoppose a townie lynch, and assuming hopeless is town by now, being one of the main pushers of a town lynch was probably a worse option, but you could not simply jump on the sylencia wagon without justification. So you'd simply give out controversial opinions about sylencia to not look inconsistent with your earlier hopeless' superstrong scumread (by giving points in favour of scumlencia and justify a vote on him), but also giving out townie points to be able to justify that you never pushed sylencia before. Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 20:24 risk.nuke wrote:On April 05 2013 20:14 Ghor wrote:
I found the situation (and still do) between you and hopeless hard to resolve. I think only one of you is scum, and I'm not able to establish which one.
That's part of the reason I was more interested into lynching sylencia D1, cause I want to see more from you and hopeless to be able to make a better decision, whereas sylencia looked very scummy to me (but turned out to be lynchbait).
You stating what you thought of sylencia is not enough. It's easy for scum to be right as opposed to a majority of townies who might be pushing for a mislynch. What matters is that you didn't fight the sylencia lynch in favour of the hopeless lynch when you should have, according to your earlier statement about hopeless , and instead seem to want to take credit for a townread on a dead townie now.
Why do you find CC suspicious? Why have you ruled out the possibility both me and hope are town? I did as much as I could to make people vote hopeless, should I had reworded and spammed the case against him every 5 minutes? And I didn't just say I opposed a syl lynch, towncred plox. I specified arguments for why the arguments against him could be wrong. At the same time I didn't feel confident enough to just say shut up I am dead certain you are wrong. I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious. Seem like you do want towncred for it though. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ So yeah, I back a risk lynch in favour over a hopeless lynch now. Sorry buddy :o]
##Vote risk.nuke On April 05 2013 21:48 risk.nuke wrote:
LOL, When I'm doing something townie, how is pointing that out to the thread scummy?
Where do your logic come from?
##vote: Ghor
I said I wanted to lynch Hopeless > RoL > Sylencia. You're saying I didn't act according to that. What bullshit because I did. You're just saying I didn't in words without disproving it, but saying something doesn't make it so.
I said I would switch to Sylencia to ensure a lynch. And so I did because there were no way in hell people were going to jump of sylencia and on hopeless with MINUTES to deadline. How is that opportunistic you little filth. Denial: + Show Spoiler +On April 06 2013 02:53 Ghor wrote:
##Unvote
Risk, answer my points instead of telling me I'm full of shit. If you're town you have no reason to stop talking about CC if you find him weird, just cause I think you're scum.
RoL, do you have any reads to offer instead of discussing lynch options at this point? On April 06 2013 02:55 Ghor wrote:
In general, if I think you're scum, let me know what you thought in that situation I find scummy. Let me hear how you got to make decisions. Childish "Fuck you"-type of posts with reactionary omgus-vote won't help me get a better read on you. It only makes you look like you react excessively emotional to the brought case. On April 07 2013 05:17 risk.nuke wrote:
Because I gave you a chance to prove that you give a shit about this game when you weren't under pressure. Which you didn't take.
RoL promised activity. I have an upcoming exam to study to. I'm not going to waste time discussing with the same old people and decide which one of the active players I want to kill while I still can't get reads on the suspicious lurkers. And Hope you've not been posting for a lot longer then most of us. Your last post was 48 hours ago. On April 08 2013 07:46 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm not bothering with you anymore Ghor. You're not so retarded that you could actually be town, just lay down and die. On April 07 2013 04:36 risk.nuke wrote:
I see no point in posting before RoL and Hope gets back. I've been waiting for them to make a move of their own free will. How close we'd have been to lynching CC if risk didn't dick around in refusal. + Show Spoiler +On April 08 2013 05:28 Ghor wrote:
I'd like to introduce you to an interesting view.
I want to lynch CC and risk equally.
Risk wants to lynch me and agreed on CC being suspicious. Prefers me for lynch and doesn't ever pressure CC.
CC wants to lynch me and risk, but prefers me for lynch. He doesn't help in getting information out of risk.
Remember CC's early pressure vote and how he said he had no idea how risk could get +2 votes without even commenting on what happened?
@ Lazer
Don't think VE is scum. On April 08 2013 09:04 Ghor wrote:
I simply want him to respond to the points like a normal, calm dude before I decide that he's worth today's hammer.
I'm curious to see if he's actually able to take back the scumread from me.
He's being extremely abrasive and sounds pretty paranoid right now ("You don't want to know stuff from your top scumread"), so I'm not excluding he's just a pissed off townie who thinks he's being tackled by two scummers.
I need him to talk civil before deciding. And now that the game is lost he suddenly was about to write posts? Bitch please. Risk behaved like an angry kid, no matter how nice you talked to him. After making a case against risk you're scum and retarded and he doesn't need to help you get a better read on him.
Let me pull you out of your shell where I'm the idiot. It's not your word against mine, it's your word against everyone and saying I was a scummy dick in an attempt to make you feel/look better doesn't making it so.
The cases against me WAS retarded you daft little fucker. I sat at this computer entire days ready to post. Do you know how fucking frustrating it is to put effort into a gamer and then your co-player doesn't or are retards? And then when the game is over the little fags have the nerve to try to pin it on me?
I wasn't posting because I was going over you RoL and Hopeless trying to find which one of you was the retard and which two was scum. Then all of a sudden I get hammered by you YOU FUCKING RETARD. You can ask strong&big that I was around, I asked for the qt minutes after I got hammered. I was here.
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On April 10 2013 19:56 Lazermonkey wrote:
Town did indeed suffer from lurking. But I'd say the main reason you lost was because you were simply too off with your reads.
Town were so off with their reads because of all the lurking, you see.
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On April 10 2013 21:02 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 19:56 Lazermonkey wrote:
Town did indeed suffer from lurking. But I'd say the main reason you lost was because you were simply too off with your reads. Town were so off with their reads because of all the lurking, you see. Yes, that is obviously part of the reason. But not the whole. Take the risk misslynch for example. I don't think you can blame that on lurking really.
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everything since risk's lynch I'd blame on myself and RoL tbh.
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On April 10 2013 20:44 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 19:29 Ghor wrote:First, something relevant: All of town didn't sound sure about hopeless and RoL, and it should actually be worth a look when people like LM and CC don't find these people scummy, or defend them as lynch bait where everyone else doesn't have a clue. Especially if you are one of those people and know you're town you should take a closer look at anyone defending you like that. Sorry to pull you out of your shell where you did everything right, but everything you say I was, was actually your own fault. You played like a dick at a time where I was choosing between you and CC, and I even asked you nicely to discuss with me, omgus: + Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 21:00 Ghor wrote:Several hours before lynch: Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 20:04 risk.nuke wrote:On April 05 2013 19:49 Ghor wrote:
@ risk
You said you found that D2 post from me suspicious, can you specify what and why?
Was that vote on CC indicative of suspicion or did you just want him to talk?
Both, I wanted to put more pressure on him because he didn't seem to take things seriously. On April 05 2013 04:43 Ghor wrote:Got really sad when I saw Sylencia's flip. Didn't expect him to flip town at all . I'm still not sure what to make of the risk vs hopeless situation, and I'll be busy very soon until tomorrow. I would like to advise to go through a few things (will do that myself once I have time, but I think it's where we have to look at).Still, quick rundown: Check everybody's scumreads before the lynch, especially for weak pushes or even absence (considered RoL's absence to be scummy, but he gave an excuse and promised activity for 4 days which seems rather townie).
In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case there (whereas hopeless said it was for self-preservation, will have to check if CC and hopeless gave out a sylencia read at all).I'll have to scrutiny CC some more in general cause I didn't really pay enough attention to him since the risk pressure thing, and I don't know why he thinks I'm scum. I would like to hear reasons for that. With that, I'll contribute more when I'm back and have more time. Good hunting. I didn't like neither of the bolded statements. I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious. I think that's odd. Because the only legit reason you could feel that is if you had a strong townread on hopeless or disagreed with my arguments against him. Shortly before lynch: Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 05:42 risk.nuke wrote:
I think syl's absence makes him look worse, however he has posts with thoughts I can follow and I liked that, there were other posts I didn't like such as how slow he was to take a stand on lynches and also where he ended up however I'm not sure that's necessarily scumplay as opposed to just bad town play. Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 06:03 risk.nuke wrote:
I said I didn't want to lynch him, it's about the same time Ghor pulled his 180 on me.
I want to lynch Hope, I would rather lynch RoL before I lynch Syl but I will vote Syl to ensure a lynch.
That's what I think about lynching Syl. ARE YOU HAPPY? Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 06:24 risk.nuke wrote:
Ghor I wouldn't hammer VE either because VE is a townread. I would hammer a null-read rather then to see a no-lynch. Can you not see the difference in that? Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 06:32 risk.nuke wrote:On April 04 2013 06:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm curious to know what the things you dislike about Syl are. You say there are things. What are they? Mainly his reluctance to take a stand about the lynch and his relationship with Ghor. He's pretty much the only one he's taken a stance on and it in a way looks like tunneling hidden behind a claimed general dislike for Ghors writing. However I'm also not sure if a scum Syl would tunnel a person so blatantly poorly while being passive about voting him. If he was scum he should have had a teammate to tell him he's playing awefully and give him some advice. Did you say why you would lynch RoL over Syl? Why hopeless is a better lynch than syl (you told us your lynch priorities, but didn't seem to act according to them)? Find it suspicious that people started a counter bandwagon over obvious scum hopeless? All I see is you going like this: "Syl could be scum cause of x, syl could be town cause of y, I will vote syl not cause of these reasons, but only to ensure a lynch, I will mention these reasons anyway cause people ask me to". Now obviously, you will say "But Ghor, did you prefer a no-lynch instead?". No, of course not, but it's about your behaviour before the lynch, and your apparent opportunism towards the sylencia lynch and fear of being wrong, and the stuff you just said now that says you should look townie for opposing the lynch when you really didn't oppose it, but only gave your opinions about. "But Ghor, I wasn't confident" I'm sure you weren't, cause it conflicts with your objectives to notoppose a townie lynch, and assuming hopeless is town by now, being one of the main pushers of a town lynch was probably a worse option, but you could not simply jump on the sylencia wagon without justification. So you'd simply give out controversial opinions about sylencia to not look inconsistent with your earlier hopeless' superstrong scumread (by giving points in favour of scumlencia and justify a vote on him), but also giving out townie points to be able to justify that you never pushed sylencia before. Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 20:24 risk.nuke wrote:On April 05 2013 20:14 Ghor wrote:
I found the situation (and still do) between you and hopeless hard to resolve. I think only one of you is scum, and I'm not able to establish which one.
That's part of the reason I was more interested into lynching sylencia D1, cause I want to see more from you and hopeless to be able to make a better decision, whereas sylencia looked very scummy to me (but turned out to be lynchbait).
You stating what you thought of sylencia is not enough. It's easy for scum to be right as opposed to a majority of townies who might be pushing for a mislynch. What matters is that you didn't fight the sylencia lynch in favour of the hopeless lynch when you should have, according to your earlier statement about hopeless , and instead seem to want to take credit for a townread on a dead townie now.
Why do you find CC suspicious? Why have you ruled out the possibility both me and hope are town? I did as much as I could to make people vote hopeless, should I had reworded and spammed the case against him every 5 minutes? And I didn't just say I opposed a syl lynch, towncred plox. I specified arguments for why the arguments against him could be wrong. At the same time I didn't feel confident enough to just say shut up I am dead certain you are wrong. I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious. Seem like you do want towncred for it though. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ So yeah, I back a risk lynch in favour over a hopeless lynch now. Sorry buddy :o]
##Vote risk.nuke On April 05 2013 21:48 risk.nuke wrote:
LOL, When I'm doing something townie, how is pointing that out to the thread scummy?
Where do your logic come from?
##vote: Ghor
I said I wanted to lynch Hopeless > RoL > Sylencia. You're saying I didn't act according to that. What bullshit because I did. You're just saying I didn't in words without disproving it, but saying something doesn't make it so.
I said I would switch to Sylencia to ensure a lynch. And so I did because there were no way in hell people were going to jump of sylencia and on hopeless with MINUTES to deadline. How is that opportunistic you little filth. Denial: + Show Spoiler +On April 06 2013 02:53 Ghor wrote:
##Unvote
Risk, answer my points instead of telling me I'm full of shit. If you're town you have no reason to stop talking about CC if you find him weird, just cause I think you're scum.
RoL, do you have any reads to offer instead of discussing lynch options at this point? On April 06 2013 02:55 Ghor wrote:
In general, if I think you're scum, let me know what you thought in that situation I find scummy. Let me hear how you got to make decisions. Childish "Fuck you"-type of posts with reactionary omgus-vote won't help me get a better read on you. It only makes you look like you react excessively emotional to the brought case. On April 07 2013 05:17 risk.nuke wrote:
Because I gave you a chance to prove that you give a shit about this game when you weren't under pressure. Which you didn't take.
RoL promised activity. I have an upcoming exam to study to. I'm not going to waste time discussing with the same old people and decide which one of the active players I want to kill while I still can't get reads on the suspicious lurkers. And Hope you've not been posting for a lot longer then most of us. Your last post was 48 hours ago. On April 08 2013 07:46 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm not bothering with you anymore Ghor. You're not so retarded that you could actually be town, just lay down and die. On April 07 2013 04:36 risk.nuke wrote:
I see no point in posting before RoL and Hope gets back. I've been waiting for them to make a move of their own free will. How close we'd have been to lynching CC if risk didn't dick around in refusal. + Show Spoiler +On April 08 2013 05:28 Ghor wrote:
I'd like to introduce you to an interesting view.
I want to lynch CC and risk equally.
Risk wants to lynch me and agreed on CC being suspicious. Prefers me for lynch and doesn't ever pressure CC.
CC wants to lynch me and risk, but prefers me for lynch. He doesn't help in getting information out of risk.
Remember CC's early pressure vote and how he said he had no idea how risk could get +2 votes without even commenting on what happened?
@ Lazer
Don't think VE is scum. On April 08 2013 09:04 Ghor wrote:
I simply want him to respond to the points like a normal, calm dude before I decide that he's worth today's hammer.
I'm curious to see if he's actually able to take back the scumread from me.
He's being extremely abrasive and sounds pretty paranoid right now ("You don't want to know stuff from your top scumread"), so I'm not excluding he's just a pissed off townie who thinks he's being tackled by two scummers.
I need him to talk civil before deciding. And now that the game is lost he suddenly was about to write posts? Bitch please. Risk behaved like an angry kid, no matter how nice you talked to him. After making a case against risk you're scum and retarded and he doesn't need to help you get a better read on him. Let me pull you out of your shell where I'm the idiot. It's not your word against mine, it's your word against everyone and saying I was a scummy dick in an attempt to make you feel/look better doesn't making it so. The cases against me WAS retarded you daft little fucker. I sat at this computer entire days ready to post. Do you know how fucking frustrating it is to put effort into a gamer and then your co-player doesn't or are retards? And then when the game is over the little fags have the nerve to try to pin it on me? I wasn't posting because I was going over you RoL and Hopeless trying to find which one of you was the retard and which two was scum. Then all of a sudden I get hammered by you YOU FUCKING RETARD. You can ask strong&big that I was around, I asked for the qt minutes after I got hammered. I was here.
You acted sketchy as fuck. You clearly didn't look so amazingly town or you wouldn't of died. After we started voting you, you proceeded to look more scummy and then stopped posting so we hammered you.
Deal with it and stop being a little whiny cunt. If you want to bitch at me, fine. But Ghor played and was active the whole time and legitimately tried. This is not to say that I didn't, I did try and am definitely annoyed with the results of my scum reads.
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On April 10 2013 21:30 Hopeless1der wrote:
everything since risk's lynch I'd blame on myself and RoL tbh.
The game only lasted another 5 pages after that. You guys hammered me and it was GG. I think we should of taken our time, and I do apologize for my lack of activity in mylo. I was really sick the past couple of days and my head was throbbing.
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On April 10 2013 22:54 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 20:44 risk.nuke wrote:On April 10 2013 19:29 Ghor wrote:First, something relevant: All of town didn't sound sure about hopeless and RoL, and it should actually be worth a look when people like LM and CC don't find these people scummy, or defend them as lynch bait where everyone else doesn't have a clue. Especially if you are one of those people and know you're town you should take a closer look at anyone defending you like that. Sorry to pull you out of your shell where you did everything right, but everything you say I was, was actually your own fault. You played like a dick at a time where I was choosing between you and CC, and I even asked you nicely to discuss with me, omgus: + Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 21:00 Ghor wrote:Several hours before lynch: Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 20:04 risk.nuke wrote:On April 05 2013 19:49 Ghor wrote:
@ risk
You said you found that D2 post from me suspicious, can you specify what and why?
Was that vote on CC indicative of suspicion or did you just want him to talk?
Both, I wanted to put more pressure on him because he didn't seem to take things seriously. On April 05 2013 04:43 Ghor wrote:Got really sad when I saw Sylencia's flip. Didn't expect him to flip town at all . I'm still not sure what to make of the risk vs hopeless situation, and I'll be busy very soon until tomorrow. I would like to advise to go through a few things (will do that myself once I have time, but I think it's where we have to look at).Still, quick rundown: Check everybody's scumreads before the lynch, especially for weak pushes or even absence (considered RoL's absence to be scummy, but he gave an excuse and promised activity for 4 days which seems rather townie).
In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case there (whereas hopeless said it was for self-preservation, will have to check if CC and hopeless gave out a sylencia read at all).I'll have to scrutiny CC some more in general cause I didn't really pay enough attention to him since the risk pressure thing, and I don't know why he thinks I'm scum. I would like to hear reasons for that. With that, I'll contribute more when I'm back and have more time. Good hunting. I didn't like neither of the bolded statements. I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious. I think that's odd. Because the only legit reason you could feel that is if you had a strong townread on hopeless or disagreed with my arguments against him. Shortly before lynch: Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 05:42 risk.nuke wrote:
I think syl's absence makes him look worse, however he has posts with thoughts I can follow and I liked that, there were other posts I didn't like such as how slow he was to take a stand on lynches and also where he ended up however I'm not sure that's necessarily scumplay as opposed to just bad town play. Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 06:03 risk.nuke wrote:
I said I didn't want to lynch him, it's about the same time Ghor pulled his 180 on me.
I want to lynch Hope, I would rather lynch RoL before I lynch Syl but I will vote Syl to ensure a lynch.
That's what I think about lynching Syl. ARE YOU HAPPY? Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 06:24 risk.nuke wrote:
Ghor I wouldn't hammer VE either because VE is a townread. I would hammer a null-read rather then to see a no-lynch. Can you not see the difference in that? Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 06:32 risk.nuke wrote:On April 04 2013 06:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm curious to know what the things you dislike about Syl are. You say there are things. What are they? Mainly his reluctance to take a stand about the lynch and his relationship with Ghor. He's pretty much the only one he's taken a stance on and it in a way looks like tunneling hidden behind a claimed general dislike for Ghors writing. However I'm also not sure if a scum Syl would tunnel a person so blatantly poorly while being passive about voting him. If he was scum he should have had a teammate to tell him he's playing awefully and give him some advice. Did you say why you would lynch RoL over Syl? Why hopeless is a better lynch than syl (you told us your lynch priorities, but didn't seem to act according to them)? Find it suspicious that people started a counter bandwagon over obvious scum hopeless? All I see is you going like this: "Syl could be scum cause of x, syl could be town cause of y, I will vote syl not cause of these reasons, but only to ensure a lynch, I will mention these reasons anyway cause people ask me to". Now obviously, you will say "But Ghor, did you prefer a no-lynch instead?". No, of course not, but it's about your behaviour before the lynch, and your apparent opportunism towards the sylencia lynch and fear of being wrong, and the stuff you just said now that says you should look townie for opposing the lynch when you really didn't oppose it, but only gave your opinions about. "But Ghor, I wasn't confident" I'm sure you weren't, cause it conflicts with your objectives to notoppose a townie lynch, and assuming hopeless is town by now, being one of the main pushers of a town lynch was probably a worse option, but you could not simply jump on the sylencia wagon without justification. So you'd simply give out controversial opinions about sylencia to not look inconsistent with your earlier hopeless' superstrong scumread (by giving points in favour of scumlencia and justify a vote on him), but also giving out townie points to be able to justify that you never pushed sylencia before. Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 20:24 risk.nuke wrote:On April 05 2013 20:14 Ghor wrote:
I found the situation (and still do) between you and hopeless hard to resolve. I think only one of you is scum, and I'm not able to establish which one.
That's part of the reason I was more interested into lynching sylencia D1, cause I want to see more from you and hopeless to be able to make a better decision, whereas sylencia looked very scummy to me (but turned out to be lynchbait).
You stating what you thought of sylencia is not enough. It's easy for scum to be right as opposed to a majority of townies who might be pushing for a mislynch. What matters is that you didn't fight the sylencia lynch in favour of the hopeless lynch when you should have, according to your earlier statement about hopeless , and instead seem to want to take credit for a townread on a dead townie now.
Why do you find CC suspicious? Why have you ruled out the possibility both me and hope are town? I did as much as I could to make people vote hopeless, should I had reworded and spammed the case against him every 5 minutes? And I didn't just say I opposed a syl lynch, towncred plox. I specified arguments for why the arguments against him could be wrong. At the same time I didn't feel confident enough to just say shut up I am dead certain you are wrong. I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious. Seem like you do want towncred for it though. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ So yeah, I back a risk lynch in favour over a hopeless lynch now. Sorry buddy :o]
##Vote risk.nuke On April 05 2013 21:48 risk.nuke wrote:
LOL, When I'm doing something townie, how is pointing that out to the thread scummy?
Where do your logic come from?
##vote: Ghor
I said I wanted to lynch Hopeless > RoL > Sylencia. You're saying I didn't act according to that. What bullshit because I did. You're just saying I didn't in words without disproving it, but saying something doesn't make it so.
I said I would switch to Sylencia to ensure a lynch. And so I did because there were no way in hell people were going to jump of sylencia and on hopeless with MINUTES to deadline. How is that opportunistic you little filth. Denial: + Show Spoiler +On April 06 2013 02:53 Ghor wrote:
##Unvote
Risk, answer my points instead of telling me I'm full of shit. If you're town you have no reason to stop talking about CC if you find him weird, just cause I think you're scum.
RoL, do you have any reads to offer instead of discussing lynch options at this point? On April 06 2013 02:55 Ghor wrote:
In general, if I think you're scum, let me know what you thought in that situation I find scummy. Let me hear how you got to make decisions. Childish "Fuck you"-type of posts with reactionary omgus-vote won't help me get a better read on you. It only makes you look like you react excessively emotional to the brought case. On April 07 2013 05:17 risk.nuke wrote:
Because I gave you a chance to prove that you give a shit about this game when you weren't under pressure. Which you didn't take.
RoL promised activity. I have an upcoming exam to study to. I'm not going to waste time discussing with the same old people and decide which one of the active players I want to kill while I still can't get reads on the suspicious lurkers. And Hope you've not been posting for a lot longer then most of us. Your last post was 48 hours ago. On April 08 2013 07:46 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm not bothering with you anymore Ghor. You're not so retarded that you could actually be town, just lay down and die. On April 07 2013 04:36 risk.nuke wrote:
I see no point in posting before RoL and Hope gets back. I've been waiting for them to make a move of their own free will. How close we'd have been to lynching CC if risk didn't dick around in refusal. + Show Spoiler +On April 08 2013 05:28 Ghor wrote:
I'd like to introduce you to an interesting view.
I want to lynch CC and risk equally.
Risk wants to lynch me and agreed on CC being suspicious. Prefers me for lynch and doesn't ever pressure CC.
CC wants to lynch me and risk, but prefers me for lynch. He doesn't help in getting information out of risk.
Remember CC's early pressure vote and how he said he had no idea how risk could get +2 votes without even commenting on what happened?
@ Lazer
Don't think VE is scum. On April 08 2013 09:04 Ghor wrote:
I simply want him to respond to the points like a normal, calm dude before I decide that he's worth today's hammer.
I'm curious to see if he's actually able to take back the scumread from me.
He's being extremely abrasive and sounds pretty paranoid right now ("You don't want to know stuff from your top scumread"), so I'm not excluding he's just a pissed off townie who thinks he's being tackled by two scummers.
I need him to talk civil before deciding. And now that the game is lost he suddenly was about to write posts? Bitch please. Risk behaved like an angry kid, no matter how nice you talked to him. After making a case against risk you're scum and retarded and he doesn't need to help you get a better read on him. Let me pull you out of your shell where I'm the idiot. It's not your word against mine, it's your word against everyone and saying I was a scummy dick in an attempt to make you feel/look better doesn't making it so. The cases against me WAS retarded you daft little fucker. I sat at this computer entire days ready to post. Do you know how fucking frustrating it is to put effort into a gamer and then your co-player doesn't or are retards? And then when the game is over the little fags have the nerve to try to pin it on me? I wasn't posting because I was going over you RoL and Hopeless trying to find which one of you was the retard and which two was scum. Then all of a sudden I get hammered by you YOU FUCKING RETARD. You can ask strong&big that I was around, I asked for the qt minutes after I got hammered. I was here. You acted sketchy as fuck. You clearly didn't look so amazingly town or you wouldn't of died. After we started voting you, you proceeded to look more scummy and then stopped posting so we hammered you. Deal with it and stop being a little whiny cunt. If you want to bitch at me, fine. But Ghor played and was active the whole time and legitimately tried. This is not to say that I didn't, I did try and am definitely annoyed with the results of my scum reads.
If you can't notice I was far angrier with you and hope. Before Ghor tried to blame the loss on me.
I was looking townie according to the observer qt and the hosts of the game, the only ones who couldn't see it was the three of you. You're a lazy asshat who ruined my game because you didn't have the common sense to replace out of a game you had no interest in playing.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 10 2013 20:44 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 19:29 Ghor wrote:First, something relevant: All of town didn't sound sure about hopeless and RoL, and it should actually be worth a look when people like LM and CC don't find these people scummy, or defend them as lynch bait where everyone else doesn't have a clue. Especially if you are one of those people and know you're town you should take a closer look at anyone defending you like that. Sorry to pull you out of your shell where you did everything right, but everything you say I was, was actually your own fault. You played like a dick at a time where I was choosing between you and CC, and I even asked you nicely to discuss with me, omgus: + Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 21:00 Ghor wrote:Several hours before lynch: Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 20:04 risk.nuke wrote:On April 05 2013 19:49 Ghor wrote:
@ risk
You said you found that D2 post from me suspicious, can you specify what and why?
Was that vote on CC indicative of suspicion or did you just want him to talk?
Both, I wanted to put more pressure on him because he didn't seem to take things seriously. On April 05 2013 04:43 Ghor wrote:Got really sad when I saw Sylencia's flip. Didn't expect him to flip town at all . I'm still not sure what to make of the risk vs hopeless situation, and I'll be busy very soon until tomorrow. I would like to advise to go through a few things (will do that myself once I have time, but I think it's where we have to look at).Still, quick rundown: Check everybody's scumreads before the lynch, especially for weak pushes or even absence (considered RoL's absence to be scummy, but he gave an excuse and promised activity for 4 days which seems rather townie).
In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case there (whereas hopeless said it was for self-preservation, will have to check if CC and hopeless gave out a sylencia read at all).I'll have to scrutiny CC some more in general cause I didn't really pay enough attention to him since the risk pressure thing, and I don't know why he thinks I'm scum. I would like to hear reasons for that. With that, I'll contribute more when I'm back and have more time. Good hunting. I didn't like neither of the bolded statements. I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious. I think that's odd. Because the only legit reason you could feel that is if you had a strong townread on hopeless or disagreed with my arguments against him. Shortly before lynch: Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 05:42 risk.nuke wrote:
I think syl's absence makes him look worse, however he has posts with thoughts I can follow and I liked that, there were other posts I didn't like such as how slow he was to take a stand on lynches and also where he ended up however I'm not sure that's necessarily scumplay as opposed to just bad town play. Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 06:03 risk.nuke wrote:
I said I didn't want to lynch him, it's about the same time Ghor pulled his 180 on me.
I want to lynch Hope, I would rather lynch RoL before I lynch Syl but I will vote Syl to ensure a lynch.
That's what I think about lynching Syl. ARE YOU HAPPY? Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 06:24 risk.nuke wrote:
Ghor I wouldn't hammer VE either because VE is a townread. I would hammer a null-read rather then to see a no-lynch. Can you not see the difference in that? Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 06:32 risk.nuke wrote:On April 04 2013 06:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm curious to know what the things you dislike about Syl are. You say there are things. What are they? Mainly his reluctance to take a stand about the lynch and his relationship with Ghor. He's pretty much the only one he's taken a stance on and it in a way looks like tunneling hidden behind a claimed general dislike for Ghors writing. However I'm also not sure if a scum Syl would tunnel a person so blatantly poorly while being passive about voting him. If he was scum he should have had a teammate to tell him he's playing awefully and give him some advice. Did you say why you would lynch RoL over Syl? Why hopeless is a better lynch than syl (you told us your lynch priorities, but didn't seem to act according to them)? Find it suspicious that people started a counter bandwagon over obvious scum hopeless? All I see is you going like this: "Syl could be scum cause of x, syl could be town cause of y, I will vote syl not cause of these reasons, but only to ensure a lynch, I will mention these reasons anyway cause people ask me to". Now obviously, you will say "But Ghor, did you prefer a no-lynch instead?". No, of course not, but it's about your behaviour before the lynch, and your apparent opportunism towards the sylencia lynch and fear of being wrong, and the stuff you just said now that says you should look townie for opposing the lynch when you really didn't oppose it, but only gave your opinions about. "But Ghor, I wasn't confident" I'm sure you weren't, cause it conflicts with your objectives to notoppose a townie lynch, and assuming hopeless is town by now, being one of the main pushers of a town lynch was probably a worse option, but you could not simply jump on the sylencia wagon without justification. So you'd simply give out controversial opinions about sylencia to not look inconsistent with your earlier hopeless' superstrong scumread (by giving points in favour of scumlencia and justify a vote on him), but also giving out townie points to be able to justify that you never pushed sylencia before. Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 20:24 risk.nuke wrote:On April 05 2013 20:14 Ghor wrote:
I found the situation (and still do) between you and hopeless hard to resolve. I think only one of you is scum, and I'm not able to establish which one.
That's part of the reason I was more interested into lynching sylencia D1, cause I want to see more from you and hopeless to be able to make a better decision, whereas sylencia looked very scummy to me (but turned out to be lynchbait).
You stating what you thought of sylencia is not enough. It's easy for scum to be right as opposed to a majority of townies who might be pushing for a mislynch. What matters is that you didn't fight the sylencia lynch in favour of the hopeless lynch when you should have, according to your earlier statement about hopeless , and instead seem to want to take credit for a townread on a dead townie now.
Why do you find CC suspicious? Why have you ruled out the possibility both me and hope are town? I did as much as I could to make people vote hopeless, should I had reworded and spammed the case against him every 5 minutes? And I didn't just say I opposed a syl lynch, towncred plox. I specified arguments for why the arguments against him could be wrong. At the same time I didn't feel confident enough to just say shut up I am dead certain you are wrong. I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious. Seem like you do want towncred for it though. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ So yeah, I back a risk lynch in favour over a hopeless lynch now. Sorry buddy :o]
##Vote risk.nuke On April 05 2013 21:48 risk.nuke wrote:
LOL, When I'm doing something townie, how is pointing that out to the thread scummy?
Where do your logic come from?
##vote: Ghor
I said I wanted to lynch Hopeless > RoL > Sylencia. You're saying I didn't act according to that. What bullshit because I did. You're just saying I didn't in words without disproving it, but saying something doesn't make it so.
I said I would switch to Sylencia to ensure a lynch. And so I did because there were no way in hell people were going to jump of sylencia and on hopeless with MINUTES to deadline. How is that opportunistic you little filth. Denial: + Show Spoiler +On April 06 2013 02:53 Ghor wrote:
##Unvote
Risk, answer my points instead of telling me I'm full of shit. If you're town you have no reason to stop talking about CC if you find him weird, just cause I think you're scum.
RoL, do you have any reads to offer instead of discussing lynch options at this point? On April 06 2013 02:55 Ghor wrote:
In general, if I think you're scum, let me know what you thought in that situation I find scummy. Let me hear how you got to make decisions. Childish "Fuck you"-type of posts with reactionary omgus-vote won't help me get a better read on you. It only makes you look like you react excessively emotional to the brought case. On April 07 2013 05:17 risk.nuke wrote:
Because I gave you a chance to prove that you give a shit about this game when you weren't under pressure. Which you didn't take.
RoL promised activity. I have an upcoming exam to study to. I'm not going to waste time discussing with the same old people and decide which one of the active players I want to kill while I still can't get reads on the suspicious lurkers. And Hope you've not been posting for a lot longer then most of us. Your last post was 48 hours ago. On April 08 2013 07:46 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm not bothering with you anymore Ghor. You're not so retarded that you could actually be town, just lay down and die. On April 07 2013 04:36 risk.nuke wrote:
I see no point in posting before RoL and Hope gets back. I've been waiting for them to make a move of their own free will. How close we'd have been to lynching CC if risk didn't dick around in refusal. + Show Spoiler +On April 08 2013 05:28 Ghor wrote:
I'd like to introduce you to an interesting view.
I want to lynch CC and risk equally.
Risk wants to lynch me and agreed on CC being suspicious. Prefers me for lynch and doesn't ever pressure CC.
CC wants to lynch me and risk, but prefers me for lynch. He doesn't help in getting information out of risk.
Remember CC's early pressure vote and how he said he had no idea how risk could get +2 votes without even commenting on what happened?
@ Lazer
Don't think VE is scum. On April 08 2013 09:04 Ghor wrote:
I simply want him to respond to the points like a normal, calm dude before I decide that he's worth today's hammer.
I'm curious to see if he's actually able to take back the scumread from me.
He's being extremely abrasive and sounds pretty paranoid right now ("You don't want to know stuff from your top scumread"), so I'm not excluding he's just a pissed off townie who thinks he's being tackled by two scummers.
I need him to talk civil before deciding. And now that the game is lost he suddenly was about to write posts? Bitch please. Risk behaved like an angry kid, no matter how nice you talked to him. After making a case against risk you're scum and retarded and he doesn't need to help you get a better read on him. Let me pull you out of your shell where I'm the idiot. It's not your word against mine, it's your word against everyone and saying I was a scummy dick in an attempt to make you feel/look better doesn't making it so. The cases against me WAS retarded you daft little fucker. I sat at this computer entire days ready to post. Do you know how fucking frustrating it is to put effort into a gamer and then your co-player doesn't or are retards? And then when the game is over the little fags have the nerve to try to pin it on me? I wasn't posting because I was going over you RoL and Hopeless trying to find which one of you was the retard and which two was scum. Then all of a sudden I get hammered by you YOU FUCKING RETARD. You can ask strong&big that I was around, I asked for the qt minutes after I got hammered. I was here.
serious business yo.
I laughed at dafty little fucker though
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