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On April 26 2013 12:26 Ace wrote:
yes. Maybe you missed the post I made earlier but basically it was Oats (Town) was accused by Vivax (Town) and gets lynched by 13 players. I doubt all 13 are Town because that would be incredible luck and insight on Scum's behalf to all miss that vote. Hence we should look at who is on the wagon. Combine it with Vivax, the only N1 death meaning someone really wanted him dead because of his accusations, and he was right about something. Combine those seperate threads of thought/looking for scum and thats how I got to the points I'm at.
Yeah i understand it now. However, whatever yamato is, i doubt all scum were on Oats wagon. That's why i think this tells little about Clarity/ShiaoPi and their chances of being mafia (i mean, their chances of being scum just by analyzing D1 wagons as numbers). One thing that bothers me is people saying ShiaoPi is mafia because he hammered Oats (especially if yamato is town). Oats was L-1 and we were waiting players to consolidate, don't you think scum would be more careful with hammer in that situation?
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On April 26 2013 12:11 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 11:45 Bill Murray wrote:On April 26 2013 10:30 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 26 2013 10:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well what do you think then BM calling Tube town for "wanting to get rid of inactives like Drazak" then? BM is ever a mystery to me. I'll have to look into his filter to answer this sufficiently. Being wrong doesn't mean that he's scum...and Palmar wasn't "wrong" about tube, he said "I find inactivity exceptionally scummy in this setup" and proceeded to ignore an inactive. That IS scummy. im not sure tube is town 100% it was a specific question about him... i wouldnt EVER bring up tube... hes mainly null from me... havent seen much out of him Scum claim right here guys. Scum BM doesn't read the thread. Town BM does. GG no re
this isnt a scum claim. i'm not caught up. you are obnoxious.
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On April 26 2013 12:29 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 12:25 ObviousOne wrote:
BM not reading the thread as mafia is 100% true. I was just mafia with him in boardwalk. We talked on Skype for 4 hours so I can't show you logs. this is a blatant lie.
False.
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Ace there was a 30 minute time delay between you telling everyone to settle down and wait, as the day is infinite, to you telling people to "not stall the fucking wagons" in bold. How is this not pushing for the lynch? How is telling people who haven't voted for oats to vote for oats not pushing for a hammer?
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ive got 20 pages or so to read, but you can get off of me, OO
im lynching you just for your terrible play if I ever get a hammer on you
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BM just read the thread and give us your thoughts then please.
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On April 26 2013 12:31 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 12:29 Bill Murray wrote:On April 26 2013 12:25 ObviousOne wrote:
BM not reading the thread as mafia is 100% true. I was just mafia with him in boardwalk. We talked on Skype for 4 hours so I can't show you logs. this is a blatant lie. False.
It Is a blatant lie
I read as scum if I have good teammates. I kept up with the thread that game. I wasn't reading d1? so what? I didn't have to read d1 as scum. I've read a good 50 pages this game, and I'd like for you to try to prove me wrong. You can't.
You're pushing a weak meta reliant case when you've played ONE game as me AS SCUM TOGETHER where you did SHIT ALL and basically threw the game with your role selection. Why are you bringing in your mafia play into this game? Still in that mindset? Seems like you're just trying to push ignorant shit to see if it will stick... well it's not going to with me. I can reference keypoints regardless of my alignment in any game I'm in.
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On April 26 2013 12:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
BM just read the thread and give us your thoughts then please.
I've read 81 pages of the thread. Just because I have to read 19 pages of a dragged out day.... I have given PLENTY of reads in my filter. You all wouldn't listen to me anyways.
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you all mad your scumbuddy clarity is getting lynched??!?!? hahahaha
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Actually BM, do not read. This is way more funny. :D
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On April 26 2013 12:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 12:26 Ace wrote:
yes. Maybe you missed the post I made earlier but basically it was Oats (Town) was accused by Vivax (Town) and gets lynched by 13 players. I doubt all 13 are Town because that would be incredible luck and insight on Scum's behalf to all miss that vote. Hence we should look at who is on the wagon. Combine it with Vivax, the only N1 death meaning someone really wanted him dead because of his accusations, and he was right about something. Combine those seperate threads of thought/looking for scum and thats how I got to the points I'm at. Yeah i understand it now. However, whatever yamato is, i doubt all scum were on Oats wagon. That's why i think this tells little about Clarity/ShiaoPi and their chances of being mafia (i mean, their chances of being scum just by analyzing D1 wagons as numbers). One thing that bothers me is people saying ShiaoPi is mafia because he hammered Oats (especially if yamato is town). Oats was L-1 and we were waiting players to consolidate, don't you think scum would be more careful with hammer in that situation?
I dont think all were on it either, just some. Hammering someone isn't scummy, especially if we've discussed it for that many hours. Even so I don't remember ever saying ShiaoPi is Scum because he hammered Oats. As an aside, hammering is usually scummy when you don't give someone a chance to do anything, Oats was around long before the hammer dropped.
On April 26 2013 12:31 GiygaS wrote:
Ace there was a 30 minute time delay between you telling everyone to settle down and wait, as the day is infinite, to you telling people to "not stall the fucking wagons" in bold. How is this not pushing for the lynch? How is telling people who haven't voted for oats to vote for oats not pushing for a hammer?
Telling people that said they would vote for someone - to actually use their votes isn't scummy. Not stalling the wagons = stop bringing up people just to throw around names. I've always been that way once I feel we're on to something. Hence why I even said dont bring anything up unless you have an actual case. Clearly I'm pushing for a lynch of someone I think is Scum. I mean, I don't even know why you are stating that as if its a bad thing. I don't think you understand what a makes hammering someone scummy. For one I only pointed out the people who said they were voting and didn't - like you already quoted. Secondly, hammering someone is not scummy. If it is we'd be vigi shooting everyone who places the last vote on a wagon. You're being ridiculous.
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On April 26 2013 12:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 12:26 Ace wrote:
yes. Maybe you missed the post I made earlier but basically it was Oats (Town) was accused by Vivax (Town) and gets lynched by 13 players. I doubt all 13 are Town because that would be incredible luck and insight on Scum's behalf to all miss that vote. Hence we should look at who is on the wagon. Combine it with Vivax, the only N1 death meaning someone really wanted him dead because of his accusations, and he was right about something. Combine those seperate threads of thought/looking for scum and thats how I got to the points I'm at. Yeah i understand it now. However, whatever yamato is, i doubt all scum were on Oats wagon. That's why i think this tells little about Clarity/ShiaoPi and their chances of being mafia (i mean, their chances of being scum just by analyzing D1 wagons as numbers). One thing that bothers me is people saying ShiaoPi is mafia because he hammered Oats (especially if yamato is town). Oats was L-1 and we were waiting players to consolidate, don't you think scum would be more careful with hammer in that situation?
Just checked ShiaoPi's game history back to his newbie games and it doesn't appear he and Oats have ever played together unless Oats smurfed in one of those games. Explains him not knowing Oats' play style / personality.
I like him less and less every time I tab back to his filter. Who on earth thinks ShiaoPi is town and why?
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Hammer or not, his vote reasoning was basically Oats was being a silly bitch.
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Bill Murray/ObviousOne what do you have to say about the recent discussion going on?
OO Bill Murray is an eccentric kind of player. It is very possible he didn't read the thread, or read it and saw something no one else did and chose to comment on it. That is just how he is.
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On April 26 2013 12:41 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 12:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 26 2013 12:26 Ace wrote:
yes. Maybe you missed the post I made earlier but basically it was Oats (Town) was accused by Vivax (Town) and gets lynched by 13 players. I doubt all 13 are Town because that would be incredible luck and insight on Scum's behalf to all miss that vote. Hence we should look at who is on the wagon. Combine it with Vivax, the only N1 death meaning someone really wanted him dead because of his accusations, and he was right about something. Combine those seperate threads of thought/looking for scum and thats how I got to the points I'm at. Yeah i understand it now. However, whatever yamato is, i doubt all scum were on Oats wagon. That's why i think this tells little about Clarity/ShiaoPi and their chances of being mafia (i mean, their chances of being scum just by analyzing D1 wagons as numbers). One thing that bothers me is people saying ShiaoPi is mafia because he hammered Oats (especially if yamato is town). Oats was L-1 and we were waiting players to consolidate, don't you think scum would be more careful with hammer in that situation? I dont think all were on it either, just some. Hammering someone isn't scummy, especially if we've discussed it for that many hours. Even so I don't remember ever saying ShiaoPi is Scum because he hammered Oats. As an aside, hammering is usually scummy when you don't give someone a chance to do anything, Oats was around long before the hammer dropped.
I know you are not saying so. I was just pointing out one reason why i'm uncomfortable in voting for ShiaoPi, as some people who are voting for him / find him suspicious use his hammering as a reasoning.
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Ah ok I misread you. Ok I get it now. ShiaioPi is likely cleared (temporarily  ) because people are blaming him for being the hammer vote which isn't Scummy. Got ya. So now you'd rather look at Clarity/yamato?
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but i still want ShiaoPi to explain his vote on Oats, because of what OO pointed out. That is a fair point.
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On April 26 2013 12:43 ObviousOne wrote:
Hammer or not, his vote reasoning was basically Oats was being a silly bitch.
This.
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On April 26 2013 12:44 Ace wrote:
Bill Murray/ObviousOne what do you have to say about the recent discussion going on?
OO Bill Murray is an eccentric kind of player. It is very possible he didn't read the thread, or read it and saw something no one else did and chose to comment on it. That is just how he is.
Yeah probably I just expected him to be around at this time and wanted to check if he was here, also I 100% believe in the rule but if he admits he isn't caught up then I will take that at face value.
BM, would scum Palmar leave town you open as a possible mislynch instead of telling everyone:
On April 23 2013 09:21 Palmar wrote:
Bill Murray is the towniest fucker in this thread.
Basically that's where I ended up on you as well but it wasn't until some time later after everything settled in. From Palmar's perspective he is encouraging your possible scum reads and has essentially been playing by proxy +1'ing other people's posts. I guess I can see how he arrived there quickly since he was paying attention to you and I wasn't as concerned with getting a read on you at that point.
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