EPT But if he is...
But if he is town...
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
Please replace some of those pronouns with nouns if you want an answer for this before I sleep, that's a lot of he/his and I'm completely lost and I want to understand it. Let's see if my interpretation is right so you might not even need to write it yourself: Yamato scummy for calling clarity scummy for clarity's post on sharrant then yamato does a 180 into a town read on clarity for the same reason but nothing happened to change yamato's mind in the thread. As if Yamato forgot he gave clarity a scum read and then changed his mind. My only answer is probably the one you're looking to get out of Yamato himself, as there is only really one possible not-scummy answer. I think the question is, will you believe it even if he gives you the right answer? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
On April 26 2013 14:08 ObviousOne wrote: Please replace some of those pronouns with nouns if you want an answer for this before I sleep, that's a lot of he/his and I'm completely lost and I want to understand it. Let's see if my interpretation is right so you might not even need to write it yourself: Yamato scummy for calling clarity scummy for clarity's post on sharrant then yamato does a 180 into a town read on clarity for the same reason but nothing happened to change yamato's mind in the thread. As if Yamato forgot he gave clarity a scum read and then changed his mind. My only answer is probably the one you're looking to get out of Yamato himself, as there is only really one possible not-scummy answer. I think the question is, will you believe it even if he gives you the right answer? I don't really need an answer from you, just pointing out that is something to not ignore. I want yamato to answer that, i can provide the exact quotes if he does not understand what i mean. I would not call that a 180, only a 90 or smth, but it doesn't sit well with me anyways. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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Sharrant
Canada543 Posts
On April 26 2013 14:05 Ace wrote: I forgot I had already switched my vote to Clarity earlier so its already on his wagon. Sharrant besides stutters, what do you think about lynching Clarity and then viging into the Oats' suspects I named? I would take Kush out of the list (both times), ShiaoPi. You have succeeded in sparking some suspicion on Yamato from me, but I'm not interested in having him vigged, nor am I sure that I want him flipped at any point. He still reads really headstrong, and that's enough to keep me satisfied for the moment. I've had a long day so I won't be able to give his filter a dive until tomorrow, I'll let you know what I think about him specifically when I get up. After that I think GiygaS is probably the best vigi shot, someone brought up some decent points about him earlier, and I remember reading through the thread on my phone gave me the impression that he just sort of ended up wherever there was more than 3 people that started sharing an opinion. The order in which I'd shoot them is: GiygaS > MrCC > WoS=Hopeless I'll let you know in the morning where Yamato fits into that list, or why he doesn't belong in that list. One of ObviousOne's last few posts just made me think he's probably going to end up in first or second on that list when I read through, if he was correct about what Yamato said. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
After that I think GiygaS is probably the best vigi shot, someone brought up some decent points about him earlier, and I remember reading through the thread on my phone gave me the impression that he just sort of ended up wherever there was more than 3 people that started sharing an opinion. I disagree with the bolded part. Could you look at who did bring up points and why were they good? I'm a bit torn about GiygaS, one half of me says he is scum and the other one says he's just a misguided/bad townie. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
On April 26 2013 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: I disagree with the bolded part. Could you look at who did bring up points and why were they good? I'm a bit torn about GiygaS, one half of me says he is scum and the other one says he's just a misguided/bad townie. I disagree with the bolded part. I was thinking about geript's case. I do not necessarily disagree. :D | ||
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Sharrant
Canada543 Posts
You posted later, and had four people you wanted to lynch, but Clarity was not among them and seems to have escaped your notice again. Do you still think Clarity is scummy, or have you moved him to null or townie? Why did you <insert whichever thing you did>? @Rayne: It's on my list to do when I wake up. Good night, everyone. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On April 26 2013 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: I disagree with the bolded part. Could you look at who did bring up points and why were they good? I'm a bit torn about GiygaS, one half of me says he is scum and the other one says he's just a misguided/bad townie. Day 1: This is what I wrote regarding D1 for GiygaS: GiygaS - scum - fuck it, why not, someone said he was so he has to be, and besides he was more concerned people spelled his name correctly than he was about making a contribution to the thread Day 2: nothing useful Today's action seems to be misrepresenting Ace's D1 actions and Palmar's intent to vote VE on D1. Points in his favor being he isn't choosing easy targets. Says he has a town read on VE that he mentions when listing things that make Palmar scummy, stems from On April 25 2013 15:59 GiygaS wrote: - VE: is a complete null read for me except for kush's idea of a mafia not thinking to post what he did first. Leaning town for that reason. I'm not behind the current votes for VE. This "post what he did first" refers to having to refer to the OP which should be completely null since everyone has to read the OP for their role information. Town read on Kush, his self-appointed lawyer (lol) who further used this idea: On April 22 2013 01:23 kushm4sta wrote: WE knew that's what VE meant because we are town. Scum prob didn't know what he meant. Now you just explained it to them. Misguided town, at best, is my current read on GiygaS. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
I hope this letter finds you in good health. It has been a semi-troubling evening as there are very few players around to continue discussion as sleep takes us to dream world. This thread grows ever-larger, and I wish to inquire on your progress in reading the game. It has been some time since you joined and, while I'm sure you don't want to comment very much on things from many many pages ago, it would be fantastic to know if you will be caught up before the game day ends so we can get some informed reads from you regarding today's lynch. Please return this note with your response at your earliest. Warm and fuzzies, ObviousOne | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
But, the points you brought up against GiygaS are valid. And i also want to hear more from Artanis, though i'm leaning town on him. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On April 26 2013 14:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: OO; good morning. It's 9 am here and i probably need to sleep. I'm fuck tired. But, the points you brought up against GiygaS are valid. And i also want to hear more from Artanis, though i'm leaning town on him. 2am here laying on the couch reading the blogs section and giving bad advice in tech support on accident. Also ready for bed. Work out wiped me out. Hope I made a bit of sense tonight. I can't wait for Yamato to answer so you can hear my amazing pun. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
Sharrant is right. I have a temper. I am definitely volatile as town. I'd like to self meta a bit, though. I've had trouble holding my tongue this game, and have multiple wall posts/responses to multiple ongoing posts moreso than I did last game as mafia. I doubt I have as many in depth posts This games size is one that we have to take people out who are lying. Clarity either a) has a bad language barrier, or b) lied Occams razor points towards him having lied. Sharrant completely agreed with me when he said that to filter dive him on top of reading for an hour.... over 50 pages.... no. I'm going to go back and skim the last 20 pages now. Call it a "scum skim" if you want to make fun of me, but I'm not scum, so I suppose this will be a BM scummy skim. On April 25 2013 12:01 Ace wrote: really indifferent on him. Like ShiaoPi he needs to show up and post. The good news is it's going to be Night 2 and Vigis will get active and eliminate all of these lurkers. this is ace staying on self preservation ace as town doesnt want to do this this raises red flags for me. Feels like he's giving information instead of analyzing. I wasn't really involved in the thread too much d2, so I need to catch up. I might not read every page, but I promise you good analysis of the players I know, and this has me worried. Ace might be scum. On April 25 2013 12:08 Ace wrote: Actually reading Sharrant's post I think we might as well get the wagon started. Clarity was dead wrong calling the Oats and yamato wagons policy lynches. As Sharrant said he must have been skimming filters looking for buzz words because that isn't even close to what happened. ## vote Clarity_nl OH THIS IS BEFORE HE VOTED HIM ok nevermind I thought he was waffling on his vote, and being indifferent, but this actually shows gumption... flipflopping in this case is closer to being town... If you look further on this page, you will see that I do the same thing, and me having a role for the town this game.. I don't mind someone waffling - it looks like town.... and I completely find it cool what Ace did... hell.. I'm flip flopping on my read in just one post. On April 25 2013 14:16 Ace wrote: Ok so check this out from my notes. We know Oats was a Town mislynch. The person who started the case was Vivax who also flipped Town. We know this wasn't a Scum started lynch but with a hammer of 13, I doubt it's possible that 0 Scum were on Oats' wagon. This is the list order: Oatsmaster: Palmar, kushm4sta, GiygaS, Vivax, raynpelikoneet, kushm4sta, Ace, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,Palmar,getmoript, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia, ShiaoPi I'm going to remove myself and Vivax obviously. Ignore rayne for now because of his activity levels, and clearly yourself. Oatsmaster: Palmar, kushm4sta, GiygaS, kushm4sta, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,Palmar, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia, ShiaoPi Almost this entire remaining list is full of low activity players. I highly doubt out of all remaining 11 names here not 1 is Scum and I think this is where we should start paying attention. A townie is getting lynched and just too many people that lurk are on here and not all of them can be Town. It also just so happens that VE and ShiaoPi are on this list too. With vigis waking up tonight I'm all for them clearing out the lurkers on this voting list, while we potentially lynch from here. Of course one suspect (Clarity) isn't here but we can discuss that too. Thoughts? I actually analyzed this wagon in depth. Kush and Palmar have REALLY scummy placement on it, like they wanted to hop back on. Jeep tell would make kush look terrible. He's openly bandwagonning, 1 linering on top, and ended up being the 4th vote (hopping back on from the 2nd... getting the wagon rolling like scum would want to) You need to realize that Vivax wasn't the first vote whatsoever either... Remove yourself sure... but don't remove the original votes... Palmar, and kush.... both of who hopped back on... if you wanna start at vivax... and i get why you would, that JEEP's tell's kushm4sta + bandwagonning blatantly with no reasoning (or little.. hes one linery like i would be as scum, too... looks bad on him) I really did analyze this wagon yesterday, or the day before. However you want to look at it, in terms of time. I, personally, look at it yesterday... but I digress... your analysis and mine are very similar on this. I wouldn't have been as suspicious of Giyg, VE, kush, palmar, etc if it wasnt for this wagon On April 25 2013 14:59 kushm4sta wrote: honestly i figured you wrote a guide so you must know wtf you are talking about. you said the case was good so i was like hmm maybe it is good yeah, he knows he's in hot water, so he's backtracking ##vote kush | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On April 26 2013 07:53 Blazinghand wrote: Tube the Lucius Malfoy has been modkilled for inactivity. Please leave all discussions of modkills for the post-game. ahhh i missed this that is killer | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On April 24 2013 08:22 Blazinghand wrote: From now on, here are the voting thread rules: You can post whatever you want vote-count wise in the game thread. The voting thread can only be used for voting and unvoting, and only hosts can post anything else in that thread. please keep the voting thread for only voting and unvoting. I hate to have to chastise newer players... I used to abuse the voting thread myself, and even accidentally made posts there. If you want to remind people it's d2, call a vote stupid, etc. DO IT IN THE THREAD, NOT IN THE VOTING THREAD, obviousone | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Bill Murray
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On April 25 2013 14:52 kushm4sta wrote: hi ace. you aren't town this game so i'm not listening to your suggestions and nor should anyone else. VE is town. He is town from his first post in the game. only town would complain about having to read the op (because the role names weren't colored) I am gonna vote for shiaopi. I don't want to go for clarity because now Ace is pushing it. A very similar thing happened yesterday. Yamato was the popular lynch, then Ace pushed Oats, claiming the case on Oats was really good (even though in retrospect it sucked). attacking a townreads viability? check against him promoting a scumread as town? (VE) check against him blaming the Oats wagon on Ace? Well, more than Ace deterred the Yamato lynch. I deterred it a bit through providing Yamato with answers to my pressure, but he didn't buckle. That was the key. Yamato would still be a good lynch, and eventually we're going to have to lynch him, but not yet. We got a lot of analysis over those competing wagons yesterday, and that is why *I* have a lot of thread-cred, except to idiots like ObviousOne who will constantly be flip flopping on their "gut read" of me after one fucking game... hahahahaha anyways, I nearly completely disagree with this post. The only thing I agree with is Ace shifting the lynch, but what else is new. The way Oat was playing, it was actually for the best. You have to cut the cancer out of the town. On April 25 2013 14:59 kushm4sta wrote: honestly i figured you wrote a guide so you must know wtf you are talking about. you said the case was good so i was like hmm maybe it is good yeah he's mudslinging, but he is caught up, and backtracking, like i said. this is terrible, considering what he just posted made me forget he was even on the wagon, and ace called him out for it. this is actually a town-scum interraction. one of these two guys will be scum... ace or kush... and my vote is on kush On April 26 2013 05:44 Ange777 wrote: ~~~ Vote Count ~~~ VisceraEyes (3): Palmar, raynpelikoneet, GiygaS (1): grush57 Palmar (1): VisceraEyes ShiaoPi (3): Clarity_nl (3): Sharrant, Ace, Bill Murray Stutters695 (1): Tube Ace (1): GiygaS yamato77 (1): BloodyCobbler Remember, this Day ends when a majority is reached. As soon as a majority is reached, please stop posting until the Night Post has been posted. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted! The voting thread can be found here: (link) With 23 alive it takes 12 votes to lynch. so kush unvotes, which makes the 3rd person on the shiaopi wagon to come off their vote VE and Ace are both looking bad right now to the thread (Ace shouldn't be) if you have any sense.. Ace is just really scummy as town sometimes, but then he will deliver 3 scum on a silver platter... you get used to it. oh, hey, look... kush YET AGAIN is a 3rd voter... and he must feel the heat... because he's hopping BACK WITH VE AGAIN. Ace isn't noob-scum enough to blatantly bandwagon with his buddies but kush is and he's following VE VE + kush are maf | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On April 24 2013 06:57 tube wrote: Where's drazak? Inactivity should be pushed. then he posts this, parroting me. I always knew I should follow that tell. GiygaS has been parroting, too, and I was pleased to see a vote on him... so add GiygaS to that scum list I'm leaning on him... tho.... I'm pretty dang sure on kush right now. FoS GiygaS for the parroting like Tube did... think it was Giyg On April 26 2013 07:22 tube wrote: Tunneling VE- his activity shift under suspicion gives me a blue read. Largest threats are those who gradually shifted away from posting once people started attacking them, as if waiting for the suspicion to tide over. Stop defending them in their absence or you're scum. Personally I think we should start voting Stutters until he posts. so VE is scum if he was REALLY THINKING HE WAS BLUE he wouldnt tell the town that This cements VE as scum... the bolded above. see this and read it FOR SURE. #analyzingTubeposts #guiltypleasure #sorrytospambutimputtinginwork On April 26 2013 07:24 tube wrote: He posted, vote TheRavensName guys. This is either semi clearing of TRN or a modkilled gambit... I've been feeling theravensname is town, so I'm going to look at this as being semi-clearing. Tube voted him, too, but it could just be distancing, so don't get too confirmation biased off of this... Really this just makes it 1) kush - Jeeps tell x2, backtracking 2) VE - associative tell, scum ve is lazy ve, no zest for pressure/scumhunting like i see from him as townie 3) clarity - lynch all liars 4) giygas - parroting in a similar sense that i saw from tube ^would like to lynch | ||
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Sylencia
Australia1057 Posts
On April 25 2013 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: I could lynch Sylencia because his post is so bad and full of misinformation and unexplained conclusions. If you're going to say that, make a case. I've said this before and I'll say it again, don't make these dumb accusations if you're not going to back it up. On April 26 2013 07:22 tube wrote: Tunneling VE- his activity shift under suspicion gives me a blue read. Largest threats are those who gradually shifted away from posting once people started attacking them, as if waiting for the suspicion to tide over. Stop defending them in their absence or you're scum. Personally I think we should start voting Stutters until he posts. Eh, given tube's confirmed red status, I can't help but think this was his idea of pulling VE away from the voting limelight. If he was town, it was a retarded thing to say, but if VE doesn't die here then either scum thought tube was spouting crap from his mouth or VE is scum. Better to wait and see though. Voting on Palmar too doesn't seem like the brightest thing either in my opinion. BC also claimed rb, and we don't know which side roleblocked, but given that there's a megaton more information on that merit alone, if you're going to pursue Palmar (or BC for that matter) it'd be better to see what happens now that they've been protected/rbed/jailed. In addition, Palmar ignored tube the entire time, but so did 80% of the people in the game, why is Palmar special here? As it stands, I still stand behind my trio of scum from yesterday (of 4): VE, grush and shiao. | ||
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