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On April 27 2013 00:33 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 00:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 27 2013 00:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yamato being absentee is fucking weird...he didn't give any indication that he'd be gone for so long and he's got a BC case to refute if he can.
I want to lynch Palmar still.
Nothing has changed since I left except BM posting a lot and Palmar continuing to be awful. Being absent and not telling people is a towntell.bScum make sure people know they arent actively lurking. The thing is, Yamato DID say "I'll respond to this when I have time" So I mean, what you say may be true, but what Yamato says could be construed as doing exactly what you say. It's subjective. We really need him to respond to the case.
Imo that comes off with a sort of offhand disregard, as scum Im always telling people when im at work or school and i can post at this time. Id like him to respond sure, But ill still probably think hes town and wont want to lynch him
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On April 27 2013 00:34 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 00:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yamato being absentee is fucking weird...he didn't give any indication that he'd be gone for so long and he's got a BC case to refute if he can.
I want to lynch Palmar still.
Nothing has changed since I left except BM posting a lot and Palmar continuing to be awful. You're not lynching palmar today, and that's final. Lynch clarity or with me. Or explain how other people jumped ahead of him in terms of scumminess.
No YOU'RE not VOTING Palmar today and THAT'S final. Don't tell me who I can or can't lynch Sharrant. LOL
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On April 27 2013 00:34 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 00:32 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 27 2013 00:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm null on Clarity...there's just too many other more scummy people to me. This. I think I have a little time now so I'll re-look into him and I want to look at Giygas as well; I know one thing many people have mentioned in post-game analyses recently that people don't look into dead people enough and Oats did want to lynch Giygas real early. I remember his reasoning being dumb or non_existent but worth looking at I guess. Well when people say "dead people" I'm assuming they mean "dead people who mafia killed" because that's actual information you can use to find mafia. Looking into dead Oats' posts isn't going to help you find scum because we lynched him.
On the one hand I see your point, but also remember mafia were completely content with us lynching Oats and quite possibly had a hand in it, which essentially amounts to almost the same thing. VE what are you thoughts on CC?
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GOD FUCKING WHY IS CLARITY'S FILTER SO SHORT 
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CC hasn't been like, setting up strawmen or anything when people attack him and that's something I expect from scumCC.
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On April 27 2013 00:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
CC hasn't been like, setting up strawmen or anything when people attack him and that's something I expect from scumCC.
Yeah i gotta break that habit.
I guess it happens when I care too much.
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Alright I read through Clarity; I have to ask, is he a new player or has he been around a while?
His play of 'posting something so I get something in before the hammer' seems like the kind of thing I did when I was knew; self preservation when none was necessary at all, and I was called scum for it multiple times when in fact I was town.
Like...his posting is awful and after having been around a little while I see exactly why now:
On April 24 2013 00:09 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 23:49 Vivax wrote:On April 23 2013 11:39 Clarity_nl wrote:On April 23 2013 11:34 Bill Murray wrote:On April 23 2013 10:34 Clarity_nl wrote:
I am here now and catching up, did not expect this game to start so soon, sorry. one hour later has read the entire game and made a case on sharrant? his case is really tunnely, and reaching, as well FoS Clarity Yeah okay I might have started reading and then figured I would read the last two pages and see palmar talking about possibly being the hammervote so figured I'd show my face. interested why you think my case is reaching, though. I find this quote interesting. Clarity apparently was afraid of not posting anything before the hammer fell, and here he is admitting that his case on Sharrant was something done in haste, and to "show his face", not cause he found the reasons good enough to post them so quickly. Hi Vivax. When you say interesting, what do you mean? Because pointing out something as interesting and seeing if anyone else jumps on it is interesting. Erm, yes I wanted to get a couple of posts in before day 1 ended, and I didn't just want it to be "I'm here guys", I do possess some self preservation. I figured if I showed my face maybe people would hold off on hammering and give me a chance to catch up. Turns out palmar wasn't even close to hammering but w/e, I wasn't sure. And I did find reasons, maybe the case isn't well worded or convincing but it is in essence why I believe he's scum.
Just weak as hell case which I called him out on to start and he admits at the same time he did it 'self-preserve' but also to prevent people from hammering? Just seems so fishy but knowing my own play I can't necessarily call it scummy per se.
On April 23 2013 16:02 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 13:18 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 23 2013 12:16 Clarity_nl wrote:On April 23 2013 12:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Why is there a case on Sharrant by some guy that randomly got into the thread.... Why not? Maybe instead of asking a question that has no answer you could comment on the case I made? I'll comment on it. I already forget who said it but it screams to me of reaching. I have a very strong townread on Sharrant right now and nothing you bring up in your case on him strikes me as scummy at all---how is providing 'easy outs' as you call them an anti-town thing to do? What is inherently scummy about the way he has presented himself? I will agree that his methodology isn't necessarily great but it certainly doesn't look scummy. For example in the first example you gave he provides Rayn with an out because they had already been arguing for fucking ages and shitting up the thread; it's entirely possible that he wants the argument to end as well and just wants to get a clear read, which certainly seems likely as he encourages Rayn to continue the discussion on another subject. I don't see anything wrong with his asking questions of others; everybody in here does that and you're really reaching with his talking about how he has to go eat makes him look insecure. You say that he just asks shallow questions to look involved? He's been plenty involved and has had plenty opportunity as scum to just blend it or let something go and make it seem as though he has contributed. Your case is bad and I urge you to look over something else if YOU want to make it seem like you're contributing. Providing easy outs isn't anti-town so much as it is pro-scum. It's very easy to say "do this or I'll lynch you!!!!" because your target will do what you ask. This is fine if you are asking for something that may result in anything but when you ask a question with only one possible answer regardless of your targets alignment then it is just a waste of space. If you are town and you are scumhunting you do NOT want to give whoever you're pressuring the "how-to-get-rid-of-me guide" Asking questions is fine, it generates discussion even when you do it as scum, but when there is no clear motivation NOR follow-up behind the questions then I begin to wonder why the question was asked at all, and I can only see it as feigning to contribute which is obviously a scum trait. Although I don't agree with defending a townread day 1 at all unless they are at risk of being lynched (which he is clearly not) you do make a valid point concerning the first post I addressed. I still believe I am on to something but I can see with the current thread sentiment and the fact that I am in no strong position (showing up way late >.<) that this lynch isn't happening. A weak case is still a case and it could have sparked some discussion that's not centered around oats and yamato which are as far as I'm concerned both policy lynches at best.
He calls this rebuttal to his case a hard defense of Sharrant later on (which it may well have been) but aren't hard defenses in general seen as a little bit scummy? Why just accept it not call me out on it? Why back down so feebly in the end if he believes in it so strongly? It just screams to me of my play in like the first couple games I ever played where anyone could make me back down from my own cases and I was completely unsure of myself.
Again, objectively his posting looks awful and somewhat scummy, but knowing the kind of stuff other people called me out for in the past when I was town I just don't know if I can see it as such. Including the stuff BM thinks Clarity is flat-out lying about. The post where he says "I don't care" seems more out of frustration than anything else....ugh.
I REALLY want to hear more from him and don't like the idea of a Clarity lynch....yet.
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EBWOP:
the kind of thing I did when I was NEW, not knew.
Also I referred to my rebuttal of his case; the last quote linked above is his response to that rebuttal if it wasn't clear.
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What is it people find scummy about Giygas again? That he's opportunistic or something? I dunno once again I don't think I have enough to go on here...in fact probably even less than Clarity because many of Giygas's reads and thoughts coincide somewhat with mine. He said he was going to look into me though so I'm interested to hear what he comes up with. Also looking through his filter I saw CC's massive reads list post.
CC still think I'm scum, breh? If so, why? Hell, if not, why?
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Ve, look at clarity's filter and how disinterested he is. Look at how he distances himself from the two main lynches (both of which i think are town (only one confirmed though). Look at how he uses buzz words like policy lynch in scenarios they do not apply to in the slightest, despite having spent 4 hours reading and analyzing the thread. He tries to look like he's up to date and analyzing the thread when he clearly is not.
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Sorry for the million posts; I'm going out for a bit so there's plenty for people to read into me here and respond to I hope, but before I go:
##Vote: ShiaoPi
I doubt in the few hours I'm gone anyone is getting lynched and I don't personally see any better candidates for today, especially considering the idea that it's better to start lynching into vets tomorrow.
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Someone read through Sharrant's filter and explain to me how he's all buddy-buddy with raynpelikoneet now. Also who are the two scumreads from On April 25 2013 03:47 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'm glad you seem to understand me Sharrant. I feel sorry for you (us) for wasting a good portion of D1.. :/ I'm certainly not sorry for it, I think it bagged us two scum.
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Clarity and shiaopi at the time. clarity is the only one I'm interested in lynching now though.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
Well, that took a lot of time to read.
Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep.
I am currently torn between clarity and VE.
Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure.
##vote: VE
If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now.
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On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote:
Well, that took a lot of time to read.
Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep.
I am currently torn between clarity and VE.
Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure.
##vote: VE
If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now.
This is your first post I have seen where you look at VE as someone to lynch. Not only do you not provide a reason why you think either is scum you opt to choose who you did based on sheeping?
I am suddenly very fine with lynching you
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That's the exact same thing he did with hammering Oats btw.
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On April 27 2013 02:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote:
Well, that took a lot of time to read.
Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep.
I am currently torn between clarity and VE.
Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure.
##vote: VE
If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now. This is your first post I have seen where you look at VE as someone to lynch. Not only do you not provide a reason why you think either is scum you opt to choose who you did based on sheeping? I am suddenly very fine with lynching you
Its 2 am, I am fucking tired and tomorrow is another tightly packed day, this is the main reason for my shortness in statements and other things.
It is of course my first post saying that I think VE to be scummy, since my activity has been terrible anyway. As I am unable to do anything about my current schedule, shit like this happens. Take it or leave it as it is.
I think that the cases and points laid against clarity and VE throughout the day have merit to them, therefore I consider them to be scummy. As they are kind of both equally scummy to me I look on who are the voters on them and what are my reads of them and so on.
The votes on VE as the current time are Palmar and kush.
Palmar is a very high townread of mine and a really strong player in anyway
kush is a nullish read of mine at the moment
--->Strong preference to also vote for VE
Votes on Clarity are:
Sharrant, rayn, obviousone, Ace
Sharrant is probably town
rayn is more nullish but also in the townleaning camp
Their current interactions of being best pals for life is kind of irritating though as it makes the earlier exchanges between them esp in D1 look fabricated.
OO is just not readable to me right now. I have no clue about his alignment, I do know thought that I am fucking town, so his skill in making reads does not impress me.
Ace has the credentials to sway me onto the clarity vote, but I am much less sure of my read on him than on Palmar
---->much weaker preference to vote with them on clarity.
Call me Palmar fanboy if you want but ya
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ShiaoPi what makes you think Palmar's case on VE is better than Sharrant's on Clarity? You need to expand that post because i can't see what you are thinking.
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Okay that explains a lot. You know sometimes people realize they are arguing with a townie and let go.
Anyways i'm not interested in lynching ShiaoPi today.
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On April 27 2013 03:05 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 02:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote:
Well, that took a lot of time to read.
Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep.
I am currently torn between clarity and VE.
Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure.
##vote: VE
If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now. This is your first post I have seen where you look at VE as someone to lynch. Not only do you not provide a reason why you think either is scum you opt to choose who you did based on sheeping? I am suddenly very fine with lynching you Its 2 am, I am fucking tired and tomorrow is another tightly packed day, this is the main reason for my shortness in statements and other things. It is of course my first post saying that I think VE to be scummy, since my activity has been terrible anyway. As I am unable to do anything about my current schedule, shit like this happens. Take it or leave it as it is. I think that the cases and points laid against clarity and VE throughout the day have merit to them, therefore I consider them to be scummy. As they are kind of both equally scummy to me I look on who are the voters on them and what are my reads of them and so on. The votes on VE as the current time are Palmar and kush. Palmar is a very high townread of mine and a really strong player in anyway kush is a nullish read of mine at the moment --->Strong preference to also vote for VE Votes on Clarity are: Sharrant, rayn, obviousone, Ace Sharrant is probably town rayn is more nullish but also in the townleaning camp Their current interactions of being best pals for life is kind of irritating though as it makes the earlier exchanges between them esp in D1 look fabricated. OO is just not readable to me right now. I have no clue about his alignment, I do know thought that I am fucking town, so his skill in making reads does not impress me. Ace has the credentials to sway me onto the clarity vote, but I am much less sure of my read on him than on Palmar ---->much weaker preference to vote with them on clarity. Call me Palmar fanboy if you want but ya
Why don't you discuss any of the other potential scum candidates, why didnt you make a solid post about why you think VE is scum or clarity is scum? If you have time to read, and know you are going to be inactive it seems the logical move as a townie would be to post why you are doing x to avoid being called out on it. Instead you don't do that. Instead you jump in, vote, and attempt to flee instantly.
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