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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 26 2013 18:09 GMT
#2061
Actually one more question: What are the points you find good against VE that has been brought up?
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
April 26 2013 18:11 GMT
#2062
On April 27 2013 03:04 Stutters695 wrote:
That's the exact same thing he did with hammering Oats btw.


Since you are here. Can you give me an outline of your thoughts. Reads, reasons for the, etc...

You have an extremely small filter and given that your final should be done now you should have a bit of time to do the thread this small gesture.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9647 Posts
April 26 2013 18:19 GMT
#2063
~~~ Vote Count ~~~

VisceraEyes (3):
Palmar, raynpelikoneet, yamato77, ObviousOne, getmoript, Bill Murray, Kushm4sta, ShiaoPi
Kushm4sta (1) Bill Murray
GiygaS (2):
grush57, getmoript
Palmar (1):
VisceraEyes
ShiaoPi (4):
VisceraEyes, Ace, kushm4sta, yamato77, GiygaS, Mr. Cheesecake, WaveofShadow, Stutters695
Clarity_nl (5): Sharrant, Ace, Bill Murray, raynpelikoneet, ObviousOne,GiygaS
Stutters695 (0): Tube
Ace (0): GiygaS
yamato77 (1): BloodyCobbler

Remember, this Day ends when a majority is reached. As soon as a majority is reached, please stop posting until the Night Post has been posted. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted! The voting thread can be found here: (link)

With 23 alive it takes 12 votes to lynch.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
April 26 2013 18:19 GMT
#2064
On April 27 2013 03:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 03:05 ShiaoPi wrote:
On April 27 2013 02:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote:
Well, that took a lot of time to read.
Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep.
I am currently torn between clarity and VE.
Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure.
##vote: VE
If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now.


This is your first post I have seen where you look at VE as someone to lynch. Not only do you not provide a reason why you think either is scum you opt to choose who you did based on sheeping?

I am suddenly very fine with lynching you

Its 2 am, I am fucking tired and tomorrow is another tightly packed day, this is the main reason for my shortness in statements and other things.
It is of course my first post saying that I think VE to be scummy, since my activity has been terrible anyway. As I am unable to do anything about my current schedule, shit like this happens. Take it or leave it as it is.

I think that the cases and points laid against clarity and VE throughout the day have merit to them, therefore I consider them to be scummy. As they are kind of both equally scummy to me I look on who are the voters on them and what are my reads of them and so on.

The votes on VE as the current time are Palmar and kush.
Palmar is a very high townread of mine and a really strong player in anyway
kush is a nullish read of mine at the moment
--->Strong preference to also vote for VE

Votes on Clarity are:
Sharrant, rayn, obviousone, Ace
Sharrant is probably town
rayn is more nullish but also in the townleaning camp
Their current interactions of being best pals for life is kind of irritating though as it makes the earlier exchanges between them esp in D1 look fabricated.
OO is just not readable to me right now. I have no clue about his alignment, I do know thought that I am fucking town, so his skill in making reads does not impress me.
Ace has the credentials to sway me onto the clarity vote, but I am much less sure of my read on him than on Palmar
---->much weaker preference to vote with them on clarity.

Call me Palmar fanboy if you want but ya


Why don't you discuss any of the other potential scum candidates, why didnt you make a solid post about why you think VE is scum or clarity is scum? If you have time to read, and know you are going to be inactive it seems the logical move as a townie would be to post why you are doing x to avoid being called out on it. Instead you don't do that. Instead you jump in, vote, and attempt to flee instantly.


I did not discuss them as incidentally my strongest reads are on VE and on Clarity right now.
I have a lingering suspicion on Gigays which is weakening to stupid townie currently and I am wary of Stutters, but that is more due to the fact that he replaced in and has not done much yet. Weak argument but he did replace DrH who is usually a very vocal person.
As you seem to disagree with the way I am playing, I just want to say that I am posting about why I a mdoing what, probably not to the satisfaction of most people in the thread when I glance eat the voting thread but that is just the way I do it now. Looks to you like jumping in dropping and vote and running off i guess, but truth is, it is late, I am tired, I do still want to play this game so I am allocating time I could use for sleep to this game in order to not only save towm from a potential mislynch but also to push what i believe to be scum.
You can read that as you want it, but at least to me it is definetyl not fleeing, heck I am here answering to you
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
April 26 2013 18:23 GMT
#2065
On April 27 2013 03:19 ShiaoPi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 03:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2013 03:05 ShiaoPi wrote:
On April 27 2013 02:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote:
Well, that took a lot of time to read.
Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep.
I am currently torn between clarity and VE.
Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure.
##vote: VE
If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now.


This is your first post I have seen where you look at VE as someone to lynch. Not only do you not provide a reason why you think either is scum you opt to choose who you did based on sheeping?

I am suddenly very fine with lynching you

Its 2 am, I am fucking tired and tomorrow is another tightly packed day, this is the main reason for my shortness in statements and other things.
It is of course my first post saying that I think VE to be scummy, since my activity has been terrible anyway. As I am unable to do anything about my current schedule, shit like this happens. Take it or leave it as it is.

I think that the cases and points laid against clarity and VE throughout the day have merit to them, therefore I consider them to be scummy. As they are kind of both equally scummy to me I look on who are the voters on them and what are my reads of them and so on.

The votes on VE as the current time are Palmar and kush.
Palmar is a very high townread of mine and a really strong player in anyway
kush is a nullish read of mine at the moment
--->Strong preference to also vote for VE

Votes on Clarity are:
Sharrant, rayn, obviousone, Ace
Sharrant is probably town
rayn is more nullish but also in the townleaning camp
Their current interactions of being best pals for life is kind of irritating though as it makes the earlier exchanges between them esp in D1 look fabricated.
OO is just not readable to me right now. I have no clue about his alignment, I do know thought that I am fucking town, so his skill in making reads does not impress me.
Ace has the credentials to sway me onto the clarity vote, but I am much less sure of my read on him than on Palmar
---->much weaker preference to vote with them on clarity.

Call me Palmar fanboy if you want but ya


Why don't you discuss any of the other potential scum candidates, why didnt you make a solid post about why you think VE is scum or clarity is scum? If you have time to read, and know you are going to be inactive it seems the logical move as a townie would be to post why you are doing x to avoid being called out on it. Instead you don't do that. Instead you jump in, vote, and attempt to flee instantly.


I did not discuss them as incidentally my strongest reads are on VE and on Clarity right now.
I have a lingering suspicion on Gigays which is weakening to stupid townie currently and I am wary of Stutters, but that is more due to the fact that he replaced in and has not done much yet. Weak argument but he did replace DrH who is usually a very vocal person.
As you seem to disagree with the way I am playing, I just want to say that I am posting about why I a mdoing what, probably not to the satisfaction of most people in the thread when I glance eat the voting thread but that is just the way I do it now. Looks to you like jumping in dropping and vote and running off i guess, but truth is, it is late, I am tired, I do still want to play this game so I am allocating time I could use for sleep to this game in order to not only save towm from a potential mislynch but also to push what i believe to be scum.
You can read that as you want it, but at least to me it is definetyl not fleeing, heck I am here answering to you


That you are which is some points in your favour. You understand where i am coming from though? That I had to pressure you to get information that you should have presented in the first post?

I will let you get sleep but I do expect more from you than sheeping players because "they are good" especially when said players are not doing that much
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 26 2013 18:24 GMT
#2066
ShiaoPi why exactly are you suspicious of VE?
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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 26 2013 18:32 GMT
#2067
rayn why is sharrant so cool with you now?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 26 2013 18:33 GMT
#2068
Apparently he realized we are both town and let go of the stupid argument as i did.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 26 2013 18:34 GMT
#2069
Hopeless who is your preferred lynch today?
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ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
April 26 2013 18:41 GMT
#2070
On April 27 2013 03:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually one more question: What are the points you find good against VE that has been brought up?


weird assumptoion of his that palamar is scum which isdirectly contrary to mine and i have no clue where this comes from if not trying to discredit a vet.
also day1 behavior and in general that feel that he is not doing as much as he seemingly usually does.

would dig up more if i wouldnt be so tired, more questions?
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
April 26 2013 18:43 GMT
#2071
ebwop: wow disjointed shit my brain shat out just now, hopefully still comrpehensial
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 26 2013 18:51 GMT
#2072
On April 27 2013 03:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hopeless who is your preferred lynch today?


tbh Sharrant until someone can explain how he gets away from his scumread on you, as evidenced from

On April 22 2013 13:26 Sharrant wrote:
--SNIP--

At this point I am less sure about Rayn being scum than I was then, because his conversations with other players has generally been good since that time, but he's still in my top 3 to lynch. I just haven't decided if there's someone I'd rather lynch more, like say Hopeless.

Any more questions?

On April 23 2013 00:02 Sharrant wrote:
It's a good try, Rayne, but no.

Let's get this out of the way quickly because I have to leave, and there's more important things to do when I'm back.

The reason I looked into you is because of your chainsaw defense of TRN. That fit exactly what I was looking for, so I went through your filter.

I am not trying to lynch you on the merit of you defending TRN, get that through your head. I am going to get you lynched because you are scum. You claim that after posting several times about how miller claims should be a policy lynch, you say that it's not a policy lynch you're pushing on BM. The closest you come to make to a case is "This isn't a miller lynch policy, I'm lynching him because he claimed miller which is scummy" which is exactly the same as saying "No, this isn't a lurker lynch, I'm just lynching because his low activity is scummy". It's just attempting to disguise that you were trying to policy lynch him.

The post I voted for you details exactly why I have you as a scum read. The possibility that you were a townie who made some crazy defense on TRN went out the window when I read through your filter.

If you can't understand that, I can't help you.

Those important things, like not lynching your primary scumread? He doesnt return to 'get things done" until Oats is lynched.

Clarity's spiel about 'easy outs' doesnt look that stupid to me considering how Sharrant's read on rayn went into the abyss with no comment at all. He just dropped his read with no explanation that I can find. What gives?

There's also what I view as feigned contribution. I realize he's posted way more than I have, but when you post
On April 25 2013 01:29 Sharrant wrote:
Is there anyone around who feels like chatting? I don't want to put up any large posts until it's just about daybreak (which I think is in about 2 and a half hours if someone could confirm).


and then don't drop a wall of text in some regard, it looks like faked activity to me. This is also his first post after insisting he has shit to do upon his return, but I cant find these amazing things he's done. He's focused his attention towards clarity, but clarity barely existed at this point. Where are these "better things" sharrant promised?

##Vote: Sharrant
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 26 2013 19:02 GMT
#2073
Hopeless i kinda stopped looking at Sharrant when he had reasonable answers to my questions to him at the start of D2, that made me think he is town.

What do you think of Sylencia / WoS?
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 26 2013 19:02 GMT
#2074
Uh, so stutters, I appreciate a ninjavote on my scumread as much as the next person, but for a guy who professes to find someone scummy for not interacting with their scumread, you're certainly looking mighty hypocritical right now.

What's up, guy?
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
April 26 2013 19:12 GMT
#2075
Okay CC is right - bus is likely with the inactivity a factor.

I'm willing to lynch Shiao or Palmar today. These are the only lynches I'm willing to discuss. Anyone else can wait until tomorrow.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
April 26 2013 19:19 GMT
#2076
One of them is done, I have a few more next week but this was the hardest one.

Of the people who seem lynchable today:

VE: I really don't see how VE is doing anything lynchable that ShiaoPi isn't doing worse. I disagree with his reads, but I'm not seeing the "lazy" VE that Palmar is mentioning. At least not to the extent that he should be lynched over some of these other people.

ShiaoPi: Pretty much the only thing I've said in my few posts. Easily my choice for a lynch currently. When I was catching up before joining I noticed similar things to VE and Vivax on that. He hammered a town player (would be understandable if he had expressed any interest before that) and has actively been avoiding major topics.

Clarity-nl: TBH he doesn't seem as bad as others are making him sound but I need to go over his stuff in context of the thread. Again I see questionable stuff but nothing that comes close to what i see as shady about Shiao.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
April 26 2013 19:20 GMT
#2077
ShiaoPi isn't even reading the thread. He insists that Kush's vote is on me because that's what the votecount says, but Kush is "1 trillion percent sure" that I'm town and is voting Palmar because he agrees with me and BC.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
April 26 2013 19:21 GMT
#2078
On April 27 2013 04:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
Uh, so stutters, I appreciate a ninjavote on my scumread as much as the next person, but for a guy who professes to find someone scummy for not interacting with their scumread, you're certainly looking mighty hypocritical right now.

What's up, guy?


Was typing out a response and I thought I made it pretty clear here + Show Spoiler +
On April 26 2013 07:34 Stutters695 wrote:
VE:I thought between the Vivax case and your points that the case on Shiao was pretty good. What specifically made you switch to Palmar over Shiao? I can understand why Palmar's posting is like he is, but Shiao has hammered oats when he hadn't interacted or even mentioned him all game with a very weak justification (Oats wasn't doing shit so why not hammer him for info [which he never brought up again]). I'm just not following what made you so sold on Palmar over him.

that I thought he was scummy. I can expand upon it if you'd like.
getmoript
Profile Joined March 2013
1016 Posts
April 26 2013 19:21 GMT
#2079
I don't care which of the top targets is flipped today. I want a flip
Vote shiao
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
April 26 2013 19:21 GMT
#2080
##Unvote
##Vote: ShiaoPi
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
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