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On April 27 2013 05:29 Sharrant wrote:
Ve, can you give me a quick recap on what you think makes shiaopi a better lynch than clarity, or link me to the post you think makes the best case? I'm starting to waffle on his tube pressure. Does he mention any other lurkers in his filter?
Unless you count giving Palmar a superTown read while being a lurker, no.
ShiaoPi isn't reading the thread, but represents that he is...it's a lie, and not an innocuous lie like "I'm gonna shoot you if you don't post spreadsheets"...it's a lie designed to make him look like he's contributing, and it's scummy as fuck.
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VE I am willing to swap my vote but I want to wait a few more hours on Yamato to actually respond. Because well, if he responds insanely badly I will want him lynched instead / give us required night period to ensure he gets vigied.
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On April 27 2013 05:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
VE I am willing to swap my vote but I want to wait a few more hours on Yamato to actually respond. Because well, if he responds insanely badly I will want him lynched instead / give us required night period to ensure he gets vigied.
I would attest that he's already responded insanely badly.
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On April 27 2013 00:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm null on Clarity...there's just too many other more scummy people to me.
outside of Palmar which ones coincide with the Oats list?
On April 27 2013 00:33 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 00:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 27 2013 00:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yamato being absentee is fucking weird...he didn't give any indication that he'd be gone for so long and he's got a BC case to refute if he can.
I want to lynch Palmar still.
Nothing has changed since I left except BM posting a lot and Palmar continuing to be awful. Being absent and not telling people is a towntell.bScum make sure people know they arent actively lurking. The thing is, Yamato DID say "I'll respond to this when I have time" So I mean, what you say may be true, but what Yamato says could be construed as doing exactly what you say. It's subjective. We really need him to respond to the case.
Yep, but yamato not responding hasn't been forgotten.
@VE: dont you think Clarity's posts that Sharrant outlined show him trying to blend in and not read the thread, as opposed to Shiao who actually showed up with explanations of his inactivity?
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Shiao illustrating complete lack of reading the thread in spite of representing that he is far more damning.
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On April 27 2013 05:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
I find Shiao illustrating complete lack of reading the thread in spite of representing that he is far more damning.
Fixed
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I'm not interested in the Oats list right now Ace. Like, if you want to focus your attention there be my guest, but I found Oats to be genuinely scummy so I'm not faulting people voting for Oats presently.
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On April 27 2013 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 05:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
VE I am willing to swap my vote but I want to wait a few more hours on Yamato to actually respond. Because well, if he responds insanely badly I will want him lynched instead / give us required night period to ensure he gets vigied. I would attest that he's already responded insanely badly.
As would I, however its also selfish as I want to have the night period one I can actually talk if required. If we end it now, I can only ensure being around for 4-5 hours of it at most and thats pushing it alot.
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ShiaoPi's crime looks like sheeping Palmar to vote for you 
He probably hasn't caught up because he has no time, but how is that more guilty than Clarity's case that Sharrant made?
BTW I'm clearly willing to switch, but I want to get your reasonings correct. Because some of the people hopping on the wagon might be sheeping you. If they don't even understand your reasons for voting and sheeped that looks bad on them.
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On April 27 2013 05:55 Ace wrote:ShiaoPi's crime looks like sheeping Palmar to vote for you He probably hasn't caught up because he has no time, but how is that more guilty than Clarity's case that Sharrant made? BTW I'm clearly willing to switch, but I want to get your reasonings correct. Because some of the people hopping on the wagon might be sheeping you. If they don't even understand your reasons for voting and sheeped that looks bad on them.
Is that a crime? Then why say it? I never even mentioned him sheeping Palmar to vote me. I mentioned him saying KUSH was voting for me as evidence that he's clearly not reading the thread (EITHER thread, he didn't ever vote for me in either one), but not in the context of Shiao sheeping anyone.
On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote:
Well, that took a lot of time to read.
Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep.
I am currently torn between clarity and VE.
Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure.
##vote: VE
If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now.
He's lying Ace, and not innocuously. Why would he lie about reading the thread if he's town?
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On April 27 2013 05:55 Ace wrote:ShiaoPi's crime looks like sheeping Palmar to vote for you He probably hasn't caught up because he has no time, but how is that more guilty than Clarity's case that Sharrant made? BTW I'm clearly willing to switch, but I want to get your reasonings correct. Because some of the people hopping on the wagon might be sheeping you. If they don't even understand your reasons for voting and sheeped that looks bad on them.
He said he was caught up Ace.
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On April 27 2013 06:03 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 05:55 Ace wrote:ShiaoPi's crime looks like sheeping Palmar to vote for you He probably hasn't caught up because he has no time, but how is that more guilty than Clarity's case that Sharrant made? BTW I'm clearly willing to switch, but I want to get your reasonings correct. Because some of the people hopping on the wagon might be sheeping you. If they don't even understand your reasons for voting and sheeped that looks bad on them. Is that a crime? Then why say it? I never even mentioned him sheeping Palmar to vote me. I mentioned him saying KUSH was voting for me as evidence that he's clearly not reading the thread (EITHER thread, he didn't ever vote for me in either one), but not in the context of Shiao sheeping anyone. Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote:
Well, that took a lot of time to read.
Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep.
I am currently torn between clarity and VE.
Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure.
##vote: VE
If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now. He's lying Ace, and not innocuously. Why would he lie about reading the thread if he's town?
I mentioned it because Palmar was also trying to get you lynched but it was partly sarcasm.
I understand the point of ShiaoPi not reading the thread - I'm asking how does that make him more guilty than Clarity? Remember Clarity hasn't even shown up since Sharrant blasted him.
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I'll kill the evil I can see. I thought you were a proponent of vigs clearing out the trash Ace?
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On April 27 2013 06:08 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 06:03 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 27 2013 05:55 Ace wrote:ShiaoPi's crime looks like sheeping Palmar to vote for you He probably hasn't caught up because he has no time, but how is that more guilty than Clarity's case that Sharrant made? BTW I'm clearly willing to switch, but I want to get your reasonings correct. Because some of the people hopping on the wagon might be sheeping you. If they don't even understand your reasons for voting and sheeped that looks bad on them. Is that a crime? Then why say it? I never even mentioned him sheeping Palmar to vote me. I mentioned him saying KUSH was voting for me as evidence that he's clearly not reading the thread (EITHER thread, he didn't ever vote for me in either one), but not in the context of Shiao sheeping anyone. On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote:
Well, that took a lot of time to read.
Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep.
I am currently torn between clarity and VE.
Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure.
##vote: VE
If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now. He's lying Ace, and not innocuously. Why would he lie about reading the thread if he's town? I mentioned it because Palmar was also trying to get you lynched but it was partly sarcasm. I understand the point of ShiaoPi not reading the thread - I'm asking how does that make him more guilty than Clarity? Remember Clarity hasn't even shown up since Sharrant blasted him.
Wouldn't Shiao's reappearance and terrible reason to jump on a bandwagon before vanishing again be more damning than someone who just isn't playing? Mafia just lost someone to modkills and I find it unlikely they would let another member of their team do so. Shiao is doing the exact minimum from what I can see to dodge modkills while not actually adding anything to the thread.
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On April 27 2013 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'll kill the evil I can see. I thought you were a proponent of vigs clearing out the trash Ace?
I am but also just trying to understanding your reasonings. Maybe I'm misreading it but ShiaoPi didn't lie when he said Kush voted for you. One of the last updates in the voting thread has Kush on your wagon, the subsequent one doesn't.
@BC: Shiao jumping on VEs wagon means exactly like he's stating - sheeping Palmar. I fully believe he isn't reading the thread as well as he claims. But he could just as likely be a Town player without enough time trying to piece things together haphazardly. In clarity's case he specifically said he read everything and came to some alarming conclusions which Sharrant pointed out. I think the latter case is clearly worse.
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On April 27 2013 06:18 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'll kill the evil I can see. I thought you were a proponent of vigs clearing out the trash Ace? I am but also just trying to understanding your reasonings. Maybe I'm misreading it but ShiaoPi didn't lie when he said Kush voted for you. One of the last updates in the voting thread has Kush on your wagon, the subsequent one doesn't. @BC: Shiao jumping on VEs wagon means exactly like he's stating - sheeping Palmar. I fully believe he isn't reading the thread as well as he claims. But he could just as likely be a Town player without enough time trying to piece things together haphazardly. In clarity's case he specifically said he read everything and came to some alarming conclusions which Sharrant pointed out. I think the latter case is clearly worse.
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that he lied when he said he read the thread. He didn't, or he'd know that Kush didn't vote for me, ever...in either thread. In fact, kush is "1 trillion percent sure" that I'm town.
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I need to re-read today. I feel like someone tried to dissuade me from the Shiao lynch before and I need to find it. BC when is a good time to hammer to optimize your presence?
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On April 27 2013 06:18 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'll kill the evil I can see. I thought you were a proponent of vigs clearing out the trash Ace? I am but also just trying to understanding your reasonings. Maybe I'm misreading it but ShiaoPi didn't lie when he said Kush voted for you. One of the last updates in the voting thread has Kush on your wagon, the subsequent one doesn't. @BC: Shiao jumping on VEs wagon means exactly like he's stating - sheeping Palmar. I fully believe he isn't reading the thread as well as he claims. But he could just as likely be a Town player without enough time trying to piece things together haphazardly. In clarity's case he specifically said he read everything and came to some alarming conclusions which Sharrant pointed out. I think the latter case is clearly worse.
Oh ACE what are you doing man? This isn't hard to understand.
You said Shiao looks worse due to the Oats wagon...this is explicit in your posts. Do you no longer think this is the case? Because you're really pushing hard against my vote, and it doesn't FEEL like you're trying to "understand my reasons", it feels like you're trying to oppose a Shiao lynch, in spite of saying "Yeah hey I'll switch"
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Ace:
1) ShiaoPi says VE is scum for this: "weird assumptoion of his that palamar is scum"
2) Palmar assumes same about VE, when VE has done much much more on D2 that Palmar
3) However, strangely Palmar is very high townread and VE is scum. It makes zero sense.
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On April 27 2013 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 06:18 Ace wrote:On April 27 2013 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'll kill the evil I can see. I thought you were a proponent of vigs clearing out the trash Ace? I am but also just trying to understanding your reasonings. Maybe I'm misreading it but ShiaoPi didn't lie when he said Kush voted for you. One of the last updates in the voting thread has Kush on your wagon, the subsequent one doesn't. @BC: Shiao jumping on VEs wagon means exactly like he's stating - sheeping Palmar. I fully believe he isn't reading the thread as well as he claims. But he could just as likely be a Town player without enough time trying to piece things together haphazardly. In clarity's case he specifically said he read everything and came to some alarming conclusions which Sharrant pointed out. I think the latter case is clearly worse. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that he lied when he said he read the thread. He didn't, or he'd know that Kush didn't vote for me, ever...in either thread. In fact, kush is "1 trillion percent sure" that I'm town.
Also this is a fact.
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