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On April 27 2013 06:22 ObviousOne wrote:
I need to re-read today. I feel like someone tried to dissuade me from the Shiao lynch before and I need to find it. BC when is a good time to hammer to optimize your presence?
If they did so, it was at your request OO.
On April 25 2013 09:44 ObviousOne wrote:
I feel myself slowly gravitating towards fast lynching Shiao. Please restrain me. I want everyone to chime in before we deliver sweet sweet justice. Please think of the lurkers (apparently if I type that one letter off it autocorrects to porkers, YMMV)
And who cares before he flips? Do you already know what he's gonna flip?
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On April 27 2013 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 06:18 Ace wrote:On April 27 2013 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'll kill the evil I can see. I thought you were a proponent of vigs clearing out the trash Ace? I am but also just trying to understanding your reasonings. Maybe I'm misreading it but ShiaoPi didn't lie when he said Kush voted for you. One of the last updates in the voting thread has Kush on your wagon, the subsequent one doesn't. @BC: Shiao jumping on VEs wagon means exactly like he's stating - sheeping Palmar. I fully believe he isn't reading the thread as well as he claims. But he could just as likely be a Town player without enough time trying to piece things together haphazardly. In clarity's case he specifically said he read everything and came to some alarming conclusions which Sharrant pointed out. I think the latter case is clearly worse. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that he lied when he said he read the thread. He didn't, or he'd know that Kush didn't vote for me, ever...in either thread. In fact, kush is "1 trillion percent sure" that I'm town.
actually he's right here and you're wrong:
On April 27 2013 03:18 iamperfection wrote:~~~ Vote Count ~~~
VisceraEyes (3): Palmar, raynpelikoneet, yamato77, ObviousOne, getmoript, Bill Murray, Kushm4sta, ShiaoPi
Kushm4sta (1) Bill Murray
GiygaS (2): grush57, getmoript
Palmar (1): VisceraEyes
ShiaoPi (4): VisceraEyes, Ace, kushm4sta, yamato77, GiygaS, Mr. Cheesecake, WaveofShadow, Stutters695
Clarity_nl (5): Sharrant, Ace, Bill Murray, raynpelikoneet, ObviousOne,GiygaS
Stutters695 (0): Tube
Ace (0): GiygaS
yamato77 (1): BloodyCobbler
Remember, this Day ends when a majority is reached. As soon as a majority is reached, please stop posting until the Night Post has been posted. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted! The voting thread can be found here: (link)
With 23 alive it takes 12 votes to lynch.
Shiao is right, kush did vote for you.
I'm starting to think he's a clear mislynch and Clarity is the correct lynch.
@BC: Let's imagine ShiaoPi is indeed Scum. Ignore everything he has done and keep it extremely simple. He shows up, barely reads the thread and posts some nonsense...then votes for VE despite being one of the leading Scum candidates. Why wouldn't he just throw his vote onto Clarity to save his own ass and mislynch that guy? throwing it onto VE when he is possibly going to get lynched does nothing. If he's Scum why do that unless clarity is also scum with him?
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Ace did you ever go and look at the votes? I don't care what the vote-count says, I'm interested in what Kush said.
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And you keep arguing that he's "lying about Kush"...that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying he's lying about reading the thread. You're one of the biggest sticklers about people reading the thread I've ever fucking seen, and he's CLEARLY NOT READING THE THREAD IN SPITE OF SAYING HE'S CAUGHT UP AND HAS READ THE THREAD ACE
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No Ace, that is host Error. Kush has never voted for VE.
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ah ok my bad. Now it all makes sense. I was leaning towards him being a Towny not reading the thread, and Clarity being Scum that didn't. So VE's point about him lying stands. Got it.
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ok what about the second part? Why would Scum ShiaoPi not vote for Clarity? Even if he's not reading the thread how could he miss that wagon? Only way is if we assume both are Scum right?
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That's a possibility. It's also a possibility that he was instructed NOT to vote for Clarity. Who the fuck knows or cares. I think Shiao is a better lynch out of the two, personally, so that's where my vote is.
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On April 26 2013 05:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Ok lets move into the land of posting.
First off let me ask you all a question as you have been active this day. For all the "scum" reads I have garnered why is it only a single player has even pushed an analysis of any sort on me? This is coming from someone I pushed day 1, Yamato. Since then I have see others share the sentiment of BC must be scum. 0 reasons have followed aside from activity. My activity that I stated straight out that I was not going to be around for.
Now we have someone like Yamato claiming we should kill me before I return to avoid ruining town atmosphere meanwhile he has spent the day floundering over his reads, then telling people we should lynch into the ace/palmar/BC pool. Guess what? read his filter for this current day. Find me him pushing anyone on analysis. Show me him trying to consolidate the town on any central lynch. He suggests names then changes them. The only constant is me but he never just pushes me. He is still not actively pushing me. Why? If i am his #1 scum read this game he would be trying to push my death faster and surer than anything else he has done this game day. Instead? He just mentions my name. Read his filter. End of page 5 and on. Tell me where he gives an analysis post or solid read that is based on any substance. Tell me where he tries to prove my original statement of him being scum wrong. He has done absolutely nothing but attempt to blend into the crowd while calling names? Why? Because if I get lynched then he follows me to death as hes pushing for a death on a townie. He knows damn well that he will get shot / lynched on my flip thus is not pushing for my death.
He also mentions we should lynch into the me / ace / palmar group. He never does a solid method of analysis on either just blanket says we should lynch into this group to find scum. Why isn't he attempting to help? Because he knows there are misslynches in there and does not want the fallback on his own head. Why if he also believes ace could be scum why no analysis on ace? Why is the only post on palmar being red a WIFOM argument. Why does he have a vote on VE if he wants me dead of all people?
Simple. Yamato is scum.
So I'm catching up in the thread, but I stopped here to specifically respond to this case, because while I can tell from a skim if the rest if the game that it is unsuccessful in pushing for my lynch, it has been successful in attacking my image to the thread, which is absolute bullshit. VE, in particular, is sheeping the FUCK out of town sentiment today, especially when it regards me, so he's definitely mafia, but I'll talk more about that later.
In THIS post, we have a few accusations, all of which I can reasonably explain with a simple lack of understanding. While my gut reaction to someone misrepresenting my posts and my agenda today this horribly is to call them mafia, this sort of confirmation bias induced look at my alignment is more likely to come from town. I think BC is just wrong here, and unable to realize it because his experience with playing with me is little.
When I said I didn't want us to let BC come in the thread and shit on the atmosphere, I was not advocating killing him off before he had time to respond. I was advocating either ignoring his inflammatory posting or responding to it with solid explanations or analysis. If you managed to accurately read my posts from today, I very clearly said that I did not want to rush today's lynch.
That brings up my next point. I've been accused of waffling around with my reads and not pushing any one lynch. As for BC, I genuinely believed him mafia and a negative presence in the town atmosphere, and was pushing for his lynch based on analysis that I made yesterday, which he had done nothing to change. He hadn't posted anything worth analyzing until this post.
As for Shiao/Clarity, I have yet to see what they've done today, but what they did yesterday/last night was not enough for me to want to rush their lynches, and that is exactly what I was saying in the post where I supposedly contradicted myself. I consider the possibility that they are town who are bad, because it is always a possibility, even if it is not a likelihood. Thus, there is no reason to shorten our day and rush a lynch when we have infinite time, and they have hardly had time to make a response to the thread.
VE I was obviously wrong to doubt my read on. He is mafia, just from what I have read, but I'll get to that later today.
The accusation that I haven't done analysis of filters is inaccurate, in that I had certainly analysed the filters of VE, Palmar, and BC in context and given my thoughts about each. Palmar I specifically said seemed disinterested to me, based on his posting. I have cases on VE and BC, and will have an updated one on VE. To attack me for this is to show you aren't reading my posts very closely. I asked for other's opinions on them to see what other people read in Ace/BC, because I am not familiar with either of them.
Perhaps the only thing you can truly accuse me of is doubting my reads and not pushing for a consolidated lynch, but how exactly does that make me mafia? I didn't want to lynch 24 hours into the day, so we discussed our reads at the time and tried to draw more thought-out conclusions. What mafia motivation is there for that? You think I don't want to be responsible for a lynch? Do you really think that my outspoken nature is one that kinds itself to blending in? No. I own my reads, and I had perfectly good reason to doubt them.
Now, if you're going to lynch me, you're going to have to come up with a lot better reasons than that. Seriously reconsider what you think about my play, because it's obvious to me that some of you are looking at me with extreme confirmation bias. But, at the very least, I think this is somewhat difficult to imitate as mafia, so from here on out, I'll treat with you as if you're town, because treating you like mafia isn't going to help anything.
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On April 27 2013 06:26 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 06:22 ObviousOne wrote:
I need to re-read today. I feel like someone tried to dissuade me from the Shiao lynch before and I need to find it. BC when is a good time to hammer to optimize your presence? If they did so, it was at your request OO. Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 09:44 ObviousOne wrote:
I feel myself slowly gravitating towards fast lynching Shiao. Please restrain me. I want everyone to chime in before we deliver sweet sweet justice. Please think of the lurkers (apparently if I type that one letter off it autocorrects to porkers, YMMV) And who cares before he flips? Do you already know what he's gonna flip?
Because I am manner. You ask like you know he is going to die for sure. Hrm!
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shiao is a mislynch.
giygas is scum but not enough traction
get on the clarity train
##Unvote
##Vote: Clarity_nl
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On April 27 2013 06:37 grush57 wrote:
shiao is a mislynch.
giygas is scum but not enough traction
get on the clarity train
##Unvote
##Vote: Clarity_nl
Why is shiao a mislynch?
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On April 27 2013 06:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
/facepalm
Why did you go from "why did I ever doubt you" to thinking I'm certain mafia just from BC posting this case?
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maybe not a mislynch exactly, but I'm more sure of Clarityflipping scum then shiaopi.
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VE isn't scum Yamato. He's giving too much of a shit this game and has actually been beneficial to town atmosphere.
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On April 27 2013 06:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
I didn't?
Close enough:
On April 26 2013 01:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
@yamato: I'm sorry I ever doubted you
@Sharrant: That's a good case too. :/ Consider me reconsidering my read.
@Palmar: I've never seen you push for my lynch so weakly. You claim I'm SO easy to read - if that's the case and you think I'm mafia, you're failing to get me lynched. townPalmar doesn't fail to get VE lynched. Sorry, just my experience. You can eat rope.
@OO: You're a bro, and mostly I agree with you - people voting me with little/no reasoning are very suspicious. However I'm afraid I'm biased in that particular case (obviously). And frankly, I'm well aware that I'm generally an active poster and my D1/N1 looked lacking. Right now the only person that fits that description that I would consider voting for is Palmar.
@All
Right now my lynch preference is thusly
ShiaoPi>Palmar>Clarity
Town read on me.
On April 26 2013 07:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
How about "I'm waiting to hear from yamato before commenting"?
You know....exactly what it says?
Before I said I would respond. Reasonable, somewhat.
On April 27 2013 00:33 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 00:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 27 2013 00:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yamato being absentee is fucking weird...he didn't give any indication that he'd be gone for so long and he's got a BC case to refute if he can.
I want to lynch Palmar still.
Nothing has changed since I left except BM posting a lot and Palmar continuing to be awful. Being absent and not telling people is a towntell.bScum make sure people know they arent actively lurking. The thing is, Yamato DID say "I'll respond to this when I have time" So I mean, what you say may be true, but what Yamato says could be construed as doing exactly what you say. It's subjective. We really need him to respond to the case.
This chain of quotes from you is suspicious as fuck. You want to be suspicious of me before I even fucking respond.
On April 27 2013 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 05:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
VE I am willing to swap my vote but I want to wait a few more hours on Yamato to actually respond. Because well, if he responds insanely badly I will want him lynched instead / give us required night period to ensure he gets vigied. I would attest that he's already responded insanely badly.
Fuck you, you're mafia.
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On April 27 2013 06:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
VE isn't scum Yamato. He's giving too much of a shit this game and has actually been beneficial to town atmosphere.
How about his inconsistent bullshit read of me?
Yes, he's mafia.
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On April 27 2013 06:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's a possibility. It's also a possibility that he was instructed NOT to vote for Clarity. Who the fuck knows or cares. I think Shiao is a better lynch out of the two, personally, so that's where my vote is.
I care and it is a pretty big deal. Just putting the pieces together:
1.)Not reading the thread which terrible Scum and terrible Town both do
2.) this is also in response to rayn: Shaio's reads are pure sheeping. He clearly wants to get rid of VE even though him and Palmar have done the same thing. Possible Scum motive too. There is a problem tho.
3.) If 2 is true - then why not push for VE to die even more? there is no big sentiment for VE dying so why would he attach himself to this?If he's Scum why not take the easier path and get rid of clarity? Doing this also saves his own ass. I can see a townie not reading the thread and not aware of the danger making this mistake, but a Scum player who has teammates? i doubt it unless the Scum team is absurdly dumb.
4.) The little tube comment is a small point in his favor. could be WIFOM but we also gave you credit for that too.
5.) This is the biggest issue here:
Oatsmaster: Palmar, kushm4sta, GiygaS, Vivax, raynpelikoneet, kushm4sta, Ace, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,Palmar,getmoript, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia, ShiaoPi
from the other day.
ShiaoPi (7): VisceraEyes, Ace, kushm4sta, yamato77, GiygaS, Mr. Cheesecake, WaveofShadow, Stutters695, getmoript, Visceraeyes, raynpelikoneet, Hopeless1der
from today.
Removing you, myself,rayne and getmoript from previous discussion about the Oats list look at that overlap. A confirmed Town death list and Six names pop up that coincide with both lists at some point.
Look at clarity's list:
Clarity_nl (4): Sharrant, Ace, Bill Murray, raynpelikoneet, ObviousOne,GiygaS, grush
The only names that hit both lists are myself, rayne, and gigyas. I came off, and rayne is Town in my eyes right now. gigyas is the only non-unique name to both lists.
What's the coincidence that this happens? Clairty's voting list looks far more legit relative to ShaioPi's wagon when both are matched vs the Oats' list. ShiaoPi is most likely Town at this point.
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