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raynpelikoneet
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VisceraEyes
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WaveofShadow
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On April 26 2013 09:54 getmoript wrote: Town. I see no reason to question the roleblock/jail. If he was roleblocked by town, then odds are he was the second NK. If he was roleblocked by scum, then he's almost certainly town. Or he lied about the RB entirely. Also hai guise my activity has been pretty abysmal, but finishing 8 finals in 13 days will do that (along with a kickass afterparty). I'm ready to devote what time I've got to the game now; I am more likely to be active in the evenings but I will check up sporadically during the days. Up until tube flipped I was pretty damn sure of ShiaoPi being scum, but that one post of his requesting we kill him is making me question it. It's also possible they knew he was getting modkilled I suppose---easy towncred there---but ShiaoPi hasn't cared about much this game; I'm not sure how likely it is that he'd be looking for easy towncred. The case on Palmar looks really good to me right now, though I'm still leaning on lynching ShiaoPi over him. I don't want to lynch VE (still town to me) or Clarity. Is there anyone else under scrutiny I should comment on in basic form? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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grush57
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I played 1 scum game like almost a year ago? | ||
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grush57
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grush57
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raynpelikoneet
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1) Palmar wrong about you 2) you wrong about him 3) you attack each other when both town? | ||
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VisceraEyes
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to start imo. I want to lynch Palmar, BC seems to be under a lot of suspicion and he just posted a case on Yamato and thinks Ace is 3rd. From there, just let us know who you'd like to lynch the most and why. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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WaveofShadow
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VisceraEyes
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On April 26 2013 10:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE how often is: 1) Palmar wrong about you 2) you wrong about him 3) you attack each other when both town? Aren't these three questions asking the same thing? How can he be wrong about me if he's scum and vice versa? Anyway....this is so hard to answer because we've played a bunch of games together. However I can say with confidence that we're hardly ever wrong about each other when we're both town. We attack each other, but generally arrive at the right conclusion pretty quickly when we're both town. When we're opposing alignments, we're wrong more often but not much. Side effect of playing a lot of games with someone is being able to read them pretty well, and I've played a lot of games with Palmar (much to my chagrin early on in my career -.-) On the whole he's better at reading me when we're opposing alignments then I am at reading him. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On April 26 2013 10:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Aren't these three questions asking the same thing? How can he be wrong about me if he's scum and vice versa? Anyway....this is so hard to answer because we've played a bunch of games together. However I can say with confidence that we're hardly ever wrong about each other when we're both town. We attack each other, but generally arrive at the right conclusion pretty quickly when we're both town. When we're opposing alignments, we're wrong more often but not much. Side effect of playing a lot of games with someone is being able to read them pretty well, and I've played a lot of games with Palmar (much to my chagrin early on in my career -.-) On the whole he's better at reading me when we're opposing alignments then I am at reading him. Yeah that is what i was after, in 1 and 2 i meant as the first person being town and the other one scum. I like Clarity as the best lynch atm. I don't like ShiaoPi and Clarity both disappearing when under hard suspicion. I don't like yamato's answer to BC's case. Off to bed, cya guys tomorrow. | ||
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Sharrant
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Ve is not on the chopping block either. Talk to you guys soon. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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On April 26 2013 11:03 Sharrant wrote: Phone posting and I hate it. I'm 2 pages from being caught up With the thread but I'm about to be on the subway. Can post in 2 hours. Palmar should not even be up for debate today. When I get home if anyone is still going after him I will fight you tooth and nail on this. Ve is not on the chopping block either. Talk to you guys soon. PREPARE YOUR BOWELS FOR IMMINENT RELEASE!!!! | ||
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Bill Murray
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On April 26 2013 10:30 VisceraEyes wrote: BM is ever a mystery to me. I'll have to look into his filter to answer this sufficiently. Being wrong doesn't mean that he's scum...and Palmar wasn't "wrong" about tube, he said "I find inactivity exceptionally scummy in this setup" and proceeded to ignore an inactive. That IS scummy. im not sure tube is town 100% it was a specific question about him... i wouldnt EVER bring up tube... hes mainly null from me... havent seen much out of him | ||
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VisceraEyes
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On April 26 2013 11:45 Bill Murray wrote: im not sure tube is town 100% it was a specific question about him... i wouldnt EVER bring up tube... hes mainly null from me... havent seen much out of him HE'S FUCKING DEAD BILL. AND SCUM. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On April 26 2013 11:45 Bill Murray wrote: im not sure tube is town 100% it was a specific question about him... i wouldnt EVER bring up tube... hes mainly null from me... havent seen much out of him This is so stupid. Can't tell if didn't read the last 10 pages at all or trying to pretend he didn't read last 10 pages at all. Either way looks awful. | ||
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Ace
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On April 26 2013 05:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also, for anyone accusing me for being scum based on my lack of contribution. Please filter dive your beloved Ace and Palmar and tell me what either have done to convince you of being town. Both are "active" while not actively helping the town in any positive way. Since when would Ace base his reads/lynch of the reads of another player. Go read his game history. Ace does the shit ace wants to do and pushes it when town. He is not taking this town by the reins or even actively attempting to lead the lynches. Palmar is in the same boat. What is this? For the past 3 years I've pretty much been calm about the way I do things. You're case boils down to me not being a super aggressive player when in the last 2 games I played here in months - both times I was passive and not yelling at people. I've never had one "style" and if you're going to blame me for not being aggressive at least be up to date on the way I've played recent games. If you were reading the thread I was one of the first people pushing the yamato lynch and then started asking people to vote for Oats. I don't know what else you expected to see. Instead of filter diving and mischaracterizing my play you should have looked at the chain of events that actually happened. On April 26 2013 05:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As would I. I am merely pointing it out based on the comment made about "why would town jail bc" I would want to lynch Palmar for same reasons people would say "lynch bc for" What people don't realize Is i took a firm stance day 1 on a lynch and Palmar nor Ace did. They sheeped. 2 things: 1 - since when is sheeping scummy? If townies don't sheep each other no one would ever get lynched. Trying to pass that off to make myself and Palmar look like Scum is lol logic. 2 - can you show me where I displayed sheepish behavior and point out an alternative? Seems like since I don't throw around a ton of suspects - which I rarely ever do and haven't played that style in over 5 years - you assume I'm not doing anything. On April 26 2013 06:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Basically this. In most games as mafia or town, Ace has a more "assertive" personality. IE he dictates the flow of the game as best he can. In either case he pushes his own ideals and when scum attempts to have this appear townlike. However. With such a generic apathy of who to lynch and no solid pushing / shooting down conversational avenues that aren't worth talking about he just lets the thread get cluttered. I believe he in day 1 advocated for a quick lynch. Why would a townie want a quick lynch when the more time to talk the better? Given his lack of assertiveness I have him as third party. Once again mischaracterizing my play. On day 1 I CLEARLY pushed for a yamato lynch, and then helped Vivax push his Oats lynch. It's clear as day. I don't know how you can characterize that as apathy. And just like I will say to Gigyas: We already had a discussion going for over 2 days. We have to eventually lynch someone - which is NOT the same as advocating a quick lynch. Unless you can prove there was some meaningful discussion happening that I ignored you're talking nonsense. Every game I've ever played with majority lynch I ask people to consolidate the wagons so we keep our focus unless something mind blowingly new pops up. That isn't stifling discussion in as much as making sure we stay on track. Once again you're stating something that did not happen. If I'm wrong on any of this point out the quotes, with context during the game that it happened and prove me wrong. On April 25 2013 15:59 GiygaS wrote: - Ace: People are saying he's scum because he's not been playing very well, and it's outside of his meta or something, so I decided to look through his filter. - Was one of or the first to point out the obvious thing that maybe, just maybe, Bill Murray wasn't actually claiming. - Something I noticed on day 1 is he seemed to not really react to posts for a while unless he was directly spoken to/about, or if there was an opportunity for a meme. - Voted Yamato with little reasoning. He doesn't actually give much reasoning for much unless asked on. Could be a playstyle thing like he says though. - Likes the oats cases, but provides reasoning for it. - Found a contradiction here: He wants us to take our time, and then really pushes hard for an oats/yamato hammer from there. - But other than day 1, he's been town in my eyes. More recently, he's been contributing valuable info and insight. For that reason, I've got a null read on him. Going to bed now, will try and keep updated with my phone throughout the day tomorrow. Where is the army of people saying that? Just like BC you're making stuff up. There is no contradiction in my quotes. The thread was full of endless speculation and the yamato situation that I was apart of. Someone points out we don't have a deadline. I immediately say ok - my mistake - ignore the part about we're wasting time. Vivax says his case is meta. The second part is me clearly saying we're not doing stupid meta cases because they are mostly bullshit. Vivax then says he has an actual case coming up - you know, one with effort. He posts his actual Oats case and the rest is history. I do not push for an Oats/yamato hammer there. That is blatant lying. I literally in your own quote ask for arguments and discussion between those 2, and only to bring up actual real cases to interrupt it. How did you get me asking for a hammer here? I even said I'd be willing to switch off of yamato at the time so why would I do that if I want a quick hammer? Now, I posted about the Oats list earlier but it seems to have fallen by the wayside so I'm going to go back there for a second. But with VE and Rayn looking Town, myself being Town, and Vivax dead that narrows the list considerably. getmoript is also looking assuredly Town so I;d remove him as a suspect too. Leaving us with: Oatsmaster: Palmar, kushm4sta, GiygaS, kushm4sta, WaveofShadow,yamato77,Palmar, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia, ShiaoPi I think for now leaning Town on Palmar is best. Simple solutions outside of Wifom show he is Town protted or Scum roleblocked via jailkeeper. If Scum were JK their own guy then Palmar probably has no powerful Scum role and is a goon. Even so - there was no pressure on him and the only person who could have possibly killed him Night 1 is 3rd party. That is a stretch and until we get more info that is the way to go. Oatsmaster: kushm4sta, GiygaS, kushm4sta, WaveofShadow,yamato77, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia, ShiaoPi Is my final list of real suspects and I've got my vote currently on ShiaoPi. I'm waiting for yamato's post he promised against BC or else he's the definitive lynch over ShiaoPi. I'd love for other people to chime in on this. Lastly someone clearly wanted Vivax, one of the most active players dead. Before he died he called out Clarity (who's been mia for ages), rayn (temporarily cleared), yamato (waiting on him), and ShiaoPi (bingo). 2 of these 3 outside rayne are also on the Oats wagon. Once again, I think this is our best path to go. If you have a strong case against someone that also hits Vivax's last reads and the Oats wagon I'm all ears. | ||
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