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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
I've already given my read on both, see my big post. I don't want to waste my time reiterating. Rayne as pointed out the problem with getmoript's case on me, I also liked how he took out all of my reasoning for lynching ShiaoPi from that quote. On to Palmar. | ||
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getmoript
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 26 2013 09:35 getmoript wrote: Ok, so replace shitting on VE with shitting on Palmar. Does it make a real difference? Still shitting on someone for Tube and not on his scum read. The fact that Palmar did not do what ShiaoPi did. | ||
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
On April 26 2013 09:35 getmoript wrote: Ok, so replace shitting on VE with shitting on Palmar. Does it make a real difference? Still shitting on someone for Tube and not on his scum read. Because the ShiaoPi quote wants to lynch tube, and pointed out he was inactive. Palmar explicitly ignored tube while he was pointing out other inactives and modkills. After reading a bit more of the thread, I can defs see Ace being a third party as well as a mafia, that completely slipped my mind. | ||
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getmoript
1016 Posts
On April 26 2013 09:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually how does GiygaS voting for Ace support your point 1? He's only following the thread sentiment the whole time. Even if you think that Giygas is shitting on Palmar instead of VE, that's more gas to the fire. | ||
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getmoript
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 26 2013 09:39 getmoript wrote: I still think the quote is Giygas implicating VE not palmar but whatever. I can't see how you can possibly think so as he clearly says "It makes Palmar scummy". | ||
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getmoript
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 26 2013 09:38 GiygaS wrote: Because the ShiaoPi quote wants to lynch tube, and pointed out he was inactive. Palmar explicitly ignored tube while he was pointing out other inactives and modkills. After reading a bit more of the thread, I can defs see Ace being a third party as well as a mafia, that completely slipped my mind. Can you explain why you think Ace is scum or 3p? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
To be honest though I have doubts - I went back and reread Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia II to see what I could glean from his scum game and there are similarities...but I don't know if that's just how he posts or if he's intimidated by the size of the game or what. But that's all they are - doubts, not suspicions. The fact that you've misrepresented his play in the case doesn't help - he very clearly told me what he meant after I asked for clarification re: the tube post, and I have to assume he's telling me the truth. You insisting that he's lying or whatever does nothing to strengthen your case. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
- Starts off the day my declaring to the world that Vivax is town because of that "strange heuristic". Could be that he already knew Vivax was town, or it could be that this was his actual read. I'm leaning on the latter. - Goes on geript, who we now know is modconfirmed. At the time however, the case was pretty dang solid, and it seems like it was good scumhunting. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2013 00:31 Palmar wrote: List of probably town: Bill Murray getmoript (QT thing) Vivax slot machine dude hopeless list of maybe town: Ace grush cheesecake kush Sylencia TheRavensName list of who knows: WaveofShadow Tube Drazak Clarity_nl Sharrant Yamato77 ShiaoPi list of bloodycobblers: BloodyCobbler list of somewhat scummy fuckers (based on absolutely nothing): DoctorHelvetica ObviousOne Oatsmaster giggles The bolded here disturbs me a bit (or maybe it was just the name he gave me  )- On April 23 2013 00:48 Palmar wrote: also being inactive in this game is unusally scummy because BH sent a pm to everyone in the game 24 hours before the game started which required a response to be in the game. So everyone here is fully aware when the game started and reminded of it very close to the start of the game. So being afk or saying nothing is almost inexcusable. Said it before, I'll say it again. This is wrong, Blazinghand's pm was to ask to drop out, not to confirm. No influence on scum or town though. - Jumped on VE 2 minutes after he omitted VE purposefully (from what I got from it he meant it as a null read) On April 23 2013 10:16 Palmar wrote: am I the hammer? Cause I fucking love hammering ##unvote ##vote Oatsmaster Not as bad as Ace pushing for the hammer because he didn't stress to take our time, but he was the hammer, and still really didn't post an explanation for his suspicions on oats up until this point. He later jokingly ealaborated that he lynched oats cause oats accused him of being mafia. This is his way of shifting away from the fact that he had no explanation. - Now he's sort of tunneling on VE, whom I have a town read on. - And of course the thing I already brought up (being that he called out inactives for modkills but not tube, who was the most inactive) | ||
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
On April 26 2013 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you explain why you think Ace is scum or 3p? Sure I can. On April 25 2013 15:59 GiygaS wrote: - Ace: People are saying he's scum because he's not been playing very well, and it's outside of his meta or something, so I decided to look through his filter. - Was one of or the first to point out the obvious thing that maybe, just maybe, Bill Murray wasn't actually claiming. - Something I noticed on day 1 is he seemed to not really react to posts for a while unless he was directly spoken to/about, or if there was an opportunity for a meme. - Voted Yamato with little reasoning. He doesn't actually give much reasoning for much unless asked on. Could be a playstyle thing like he says though. - Likes the oats cases, but provides reasoning for it. - Found a contradiction here: He wants us to take our time, and then really pushes hard for an oats/yamato hammer from there. - But other than day 1, he's been town in my eyes. More recently, he's been contributing valuable info and insight. For that reason, I've got a null read on him. I then changed my opinion on this, saying he might have changed his play due to suspicions being on him Going to bed now, will try and keep updated with my phone throughout the day tomorrow. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 26 2013 09:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: i am very willing to sheep this vote. What are your reasons for voting GiygaS? | ||
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getmoript
1016 Posts
On April 26 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote: What's your read of Palmar and why geript? Town. I see no reason to question the roleblock/jail. If he was roleblocked by town, then odds are he was the second NK. If he was roleblocked by scum, then he's almost certainly town. | ||
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 26 2013 09:55 GiygaS wrote: EBWOP (Add to the bolded text in my quote): Or could be 3rd party, and started playing pro-town instead of anti-town. I'm pretty sure you are just a townie who is on the wrong track. I can understand your thought process quite well, but if you think Ace is now playing in a town mindset, that is not a reason why he would be mafia. It's kinda stupid to assume so. What if Ace was just uninvested on D1? You should probably look into people you think are scummy now, or throughout the game. Of course if you think Ace has done some stuff on D1 that really points to him being scum then ignore my words, but if that's the case, please point those actions out. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On April 26 2013 09:54 getmoript wrote: Town. I see no reason to question the roleblock/jail. If he was roleblocked by town, then odds are he was the second NK. If he was roleblocked by scum, then he's almost certainly town. Why? I don't understand this at all. He hasn't done anything at all - that's not reason enough for you to question the roleblock? And the fact that BC claimed RB? Those are both excellent reasons to question the roleblock. So why not question the roleblock? Why is he town OUTSIDE the claim of RB? You don't find it odd that he thought that inactivity was "especially damning" yet he ignored tube the whole game long? You don't find his fail-tunnel of me suspicious at all? Like, it looks to me like you only think he's town because you agree with him that I'm scum, which if that's the case then you're doing something wrong friend...because A) Palmar has given no good reason for thinking I'm scum and B) I'm town. | ||
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