EPTRayn, how come you said he's "shot number one" but you don't have him listed as scum? (wos)
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
Rayn, how come you said he's "shot number one" but you don't have him listed as scum? (wos) | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 28 2013 09:00 Bill Murray wrote: .. flip flopping isn't being illogical town flip flop more than scum I don't see how me and Kush having a different opinion on something and having a town read on each other makes one of us scum. I just don't see it. I think you are town and i do give you a lot of credit for making Clarity say what he did on N1, which ended up in lynching him. Sharrant however was the guy who made the case on Clarity D2 and told that we should ABSOLUTELY LYNCH CLARITY OVER ANYONE ELSE ON D2. He did push that lynch the whole day, i don't see how he deserves less credit from the lynch. Could you be more clear with your thoughts because i do not understand why you think the way you think. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On April 28 2013 06:46 ObviousOne wrote: Yeah Yamato can die tonight, I would encourage that. He got super active to save his life d1 and it's been mostly downhill since he changed our minds. I made a short post about him couple nights ago that was slightly more detailed in the post where I decided to vote clarity. Btw the pun was "He had a moment of clarity and changed his mind outside the thread." I take it back, for some reason I thought they hadn't really had any interaction at all and I didn't take the time to look between baseboard cuts (home improvement projects ftl). Yamato's been calling him out for scummy business since his entrance. Took a look just now when I finally got to sit down at the computer and I was 100% wrong. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 28 2013 09:02 Bill Murray wrote: OK last post for me... and I'm going to take a break... I don't want to spam up the thread... Rayn, how come you said he's "shot number one" but you don't have him listed as scum? (wos) Because i wrote my post without reading any posts after the flip as i was watching Dreamhack. After my post i started reading. The moment i saw WoS claimed miller when people said he was a good vigi-shot (before that) i put up a clarification post that WoS should be #1 vigi target. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
My town meta has me always roleclaiming when I feel I am in actual danger of death, and I NEVER lie. You did not claim in Ego despite being L-1. I wouldn't call that "not in danger of dying". Just vig this guy. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
Hopeless1der - D1 - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18408796 He's calling out Sharrant for fake contribution, pretty sure that's like statutory pot and kettle, some offhanded defense of Clarity D2 - questionable defense of Clarity, zero interest in lynching Clarity at any point that I can find, only interested in ShiaoPi Thinking about this from a scum perspective, Clarity is one of the ideal under-the-radar kind of scum partners I could possibly have. Ideally I can see mafia pushing for the other main wagon in an effort to keep Clarity around long enough to get a flip that makes townies look really bad. Hopeless never tries to figure out Clarity's alignment, he just defends Clarity every time Clarity is mentioned in his posts. Stutters - D2 - questionable defense of Clarity, voted ShiaoPi without considering Clarity at all, disengaged from thread, generally useless Lurk more. Replaced a lurking/inactive vet, to continue to lurk/be inactive. Lurked. Never considered a Clarity lynch at all, just voted ShiaoPi and buggered off. Lurked. Not trying to figure anything out. More lurk. Is AFK. Lurk. WoS - Yeah, miller thing is kind of a sour situation that I'm not pleased to be put in. I will go with the wisdom of my town reads on this one and it seems he needs to go. Get all your info in the thread tonight. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
...any who I need to eat my words on sharrant. My main reason in voting shiao was that I didn't trust sharrant. There is no good reason for him to be scum at this point. You don't suicide your vig into a teammate who proceeds to tear you a new one. I agree with most of the proposed big shots. Ie. Sketch bags on shiao's wagon. Unless shiao is ALSO a vig, he really should be considered town. Depending on flips and such, I'd consider him semi confirmed. My personal choices for shots is sylencia and stutters. Obviously don't shoot me (herpderp), and I marginally believe wos. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
By no means do I believe this flip eliminates the possibility that anyone who voted for Clarity is mafia. As before, I will continue to judge people not for WHAT they did, as anyone can do anything, but for HOW and WHY they did it. I suggest most of you do the same before running off the cliff with your association cases, a la Boardwalk lategame. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
If you think me calling him mafia is a "scum claim", I think you're sorely mistaken. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On April 28 2013 09:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Have i said you have exaggerated? What do you think of WoS straight out lying about him claiming if being in danger of getting lynched/killed? I think he embellished a tad, that's what I was referring to. I should have been more specific. I can't fathom how scum come to the conclusion that claiming snape is a good idea at this point. KISS = he's telling the truth as depressing as that may be. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
Looks pretty bad. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On April 28 2013 10:10 yamato77 wrote: Hopeless, want to talk about your vote on Oats D1 that I pointed out? Looks pretty bad. Yes it does. The epitome of apathy. I policy voted by virtue of troll. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On April 28 2013 10:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Could you give me an exact quote from Ego where WoS claims when he's at L-1 on D1? I won't check, but I'll hazard a guess at no I cannot because he didn't? That's not proof that he's lying now, and if you don't understand the falicy in believing that he's lying about his claim based on his "I always claim" I wonder if you are stuck in a tunnel. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 28 2013 10:18 Hopeless1der wrote: I won't check, but I'll hazard a guess at no I cannot because he didn't? That's not proof that he's lying now, and if you don't understand the falicy in believing that he's lying about his claim based on his "I always claim" I wonder if you are stuck in a tunnel. I wanted your opinion on "what do you think of him lying". If you think him lying about claiming stuff is not scummy and if you think he is telling the truth about being a miller that's another thing, but you completely dodged my question. What town motivation do you think WoS has in lying like this? Him claiming miller/blue is basically the only way he could possibly save him from being shot tonight. He even said he realized he looks very bad after Clarity lynch. There are/were a lot of players who wanted him dead before he claimed. If he claims blue vigis might shoot his scumbuddy and he would get lynched the next day if he's not believed, or shot tonihgt if his claim is not believed. If he was a miller i would expect he had told his stance on when millers should claim when the thread was talking about it. I think he used that discussion to take no stance on when millers should claim (or should they, at all), decided to softly "breadcrumb" miller if he were to be under suspicion later. That's what i think. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 28 2013 10:36 Hopeless1der wrote: It has been made abundantly clear that miller claims are worth precisely dick. I think his lie was just an exaggeration. I don't think its scummy that he posits that his town meta is to always claim, when you can pull from memory it seems an instance that it is a false statement. I think he is Severus Snape. If he was going to fake claim, why not go whole hog and claim doc or joat or something NOT miller? It has a bigger chance of failing or even outing his scumbuddy(ies). He needs to claim his N1 action. He needs to claim his N2 action on D3. This is valuable information for town to make conclusions about. If he is at any point role-copped, he is insta-fucked, the role-cop can fish out more information about his checks/targets (whatever he is). Mafia is already down as many members as town is. They need to all stay alive in a way or another, and i think as mafia WoS' best bet was to claim miller, as it sounds so stupid it might even be believed + it negates all cop/role-cop checks on him if being believed. If he is town there is no reason for him to claim miller. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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