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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 28 2013 03:02 GMT
#2441
EBWOP:
[quote]all of the fucking D1 candidates were mafia in PYP[/b]
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ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 03:09 GMT
#2442
On April 28 2013 12:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 11:59 ObviousOne wrote:
On April 28 2013 11:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
OO:
If VE is town how do you explain mafia letting their vigilante die that easily?

Do you remember when Me VE and BM all bussed Artanis, our Mafia Godfather Assassin in Boardwalk? Sometimes killing a power role is what you have to do when you're backed into a corner. That's not what I think happened here since you're talking about Ace and I was thinking Palmar was the scummiest of the 5 so that may be where the thinking malfunction is coming from on my end.

(Also it's taking like 10 min no joke to generate the quote page and it's driving me insane, is anyone else having connectivity issues with TL but not other things? might be settled down now but I'm going to post this in case it starts acting up again...)

That was because all of the fucking D1 candidates were town in PYP!!! It does not answer the question, if VE is town why didn't mafia even try to push a mislynch on D2???

(You ebwop'd you meant mafia on D1, yes, we bussed the best role we had in favor of the VE that wasn't even really around, it was hilarious especially with emperor or w/e killing VE TOO LOL)

Simplest possible answers I guess?
- They weren't here enough or vocal enough to derail it (Palmar's style has been playing by proxy [essentially +1/sheeping], not taking the lead in pretty much anything AKA let town tear itself down, if he goes to derail and Clarity later flips he looks terribly scummy)
- Clarity was objectively scummy and nigh impossible to derail. Go with the flow on Clarity for the credit. (NOTICE PALMAR YELLING DO IT DO IT!)

Boom. Palmar best candidate for mafia of the vets.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 28 2013 03:12 GMT
#2443
On April 28 2013 09:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Lies lies lies.
Show nested quote +
My town meta has me always roleclaiming when I feel I am in actual danger of death, and I NEVER lie.

You did not claim in Ego despite being L-1. I wouldn't call that "not in danger of dying". Just vig this guy.

That's because in Ego I already claimed right at the beginning of the game, remember the fight over whether what I said was a 'real' claim or not?
I NEVER LIE.

Also I back hai guise. BM you are a tunnely tunnely guy and yet somehow manage to sound crazy and frantic all at the same time. Are you trying to kill me because you think I'm scum or because you know I'm miller? I'm curious as to which one. BC, you too. Personally I'm wondering which of the veteran scum players are looking at this as a gift for them, forcing town to waste a vig shot, which will become obvious once I die. I'm not saying that it isn't necessarily the call to make, but considering how hard it's being pushed by certain people? I dunno. Just think critically guys; I'm going to try to make a potentially dumb rolelclaim into something useful.

Finishing reading the thread, a couple more pages to go; just wantd to reply to that.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 28 2013 03:15 GMT
#2444
On April 28 2013 11:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holy shit, i just figured out something. Something that is very clever play from mafia if i am right. But whether or not i'm right or wrong we all need to agree that WoS needs to be shot tonight. Does anyone figure out what do i meaning?


Yes, now shut up.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 28 2013 03:17 GMT
#2445
On April 28 2013 10:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah we do disagree. Also in Ego when WoS was under heavy suspicion (nearly lynched) he came up with reads on people, not self-defence. It's the start of the night phase. Who is to say he cannot change what people think or might think about him? He is defending himself before he even needs to be defended (which would be at the end of the night). He is prematurely defending himself, i want him to tell us why. Another fact is that millers should never claim, ever, in this setup. BC explained it on D1. Third fact is that nobody wants WoS copped, people want him vigged. There is no reason for him to claim miller if he is town.

Rayn do you realize how scummy you sound? Not are you so absolutely sure you caught me in a lie (you didn't) but now you're screaming at people to shoot me with all your might and that no matter what I say nobody should listen or I might change their minds. You also say that if I was town I'd be trying to help town and come up with reads.

How am I supposed to come up with reads for people if you're pre-emptively telling them not to listen to me? If I flip they're going to find out that everything I've been saying is true anyway!
Scummy as all fuck, dude.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 28 2013 03:20 GMT
#2446
Why did Palmar say at the start of D2 that "ShiaoPI town, Clarity probably mafia" when there was no guarantee how the votes are going to fall in the last place? Why the fuck would you say that, even if ShiaoPi and Clarity are both mafia? There is absolutely no reason to do so. If you assume mafia is inactive, Palmar would have pushed either ShiaoPi, or pushed VE harder. There is no way Palmar is mafia, he did leave no room for himself to jump on ShiaoPi before he even knew there was going to be no other candidates (in the end) than ShiaoPi/Clarity.

Palmar is gonna get copped/lynched if he is not right and he knows it. If he however is too right (pushing the correct lynches with good reasoning) he will get NK'd and he knows it. If he however trolls throughout the game but still is on the right side of things, he probably won't get lynched. That's why i think it's most likely third faction. He is not playing for mafia, but he is not playing for the town (too much) either.

But pushing a lynch on your teams vigilante, even softly, at the point Palmar did it is really bad play as mafia, and Palmar is not bad. If he was mafia he would have either pushed VE harder, or not agreed with Clarity over ShiaoPi when he did. It's that simple.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 28 2013 03:21 GMT
#2447
WoS:
That's because in Ego I already claimed right at the beginning of the game, remember the fight over whether what I said was a 'real' claim or not?
I NEVER LIE.

You claimed town when the game started. I don't see how this qualifies as "claiming when i am in danger of dying"?
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 28 2013 03:22 GMT
#2448
Alright enough with the accusations of people accusing me. I've already said I'm fine with being shot; in fact I prefer it to being lynched if you guys decide I have to die. What I am NOT fine with is the attitude of assumption that people have come to this night with. People are already assuming there is absolutely no town motivation for what I've done and are making pre-association cases. This is absolutely retarded. Use your BRAINS.

I suppose I could've waited for the miller claim until I was absolutely sure that I was going to be the lynch target for the next day but I'd rather not have a mislynch than a wasted vig shot; especially since I don't know who top det check targets are for the evening. With all the suspicion towards the Shiao lynch wagon I assume that's the people mentioned in earlier cases, including me, so I preempted it. You can now check someone more useful who won't return a confusing check, and I will offer up as much info as I can give for the evening.

twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 28 2013 03:24 GMT
#2449
On April 28 2013 12:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS:
Show nested quote +
That's because in Ego I already claimed right at the beginning of the game, remember the fight over whether what I said was a 'real' claim or not?
I NEVER LIE.

You claimed town when the game started. I don't see how this qualifies as "claiming when i am in danger of dying"?

Rayn
You're being purposefully obtuse or something. I was asked to claim at L-1, I said I already did. I was VT and there was no role for me to claim at the time.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 28 2013 03:25 GMT
#2450
K I'll be back tomorrow but if nothing pressing arises I'll wait until flips before I get into the thick of things. One thing I'll note is that I seem to be a back pocket option for a couple players and its a little disconcerting. However those players include town reads so that's probably null in the grande scheme of things.

@WoS fuck Rayn's accusations and give town what you've got. If you still get shot you did what you could, right?
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 28 2013 03:26 GMT
#2451
Wos-->alive.notshoot
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 28 2013 03:28 GMT
#2452
WoS why did you claim miller when noone even wants you copped, only shot? Did you think at all what kinda WIFOM fest this is going to lead the town into? That's the stupidest thing to do if you are town, and probably the cleverest thing to do if you are mafia. Even without the claim i'm leaning on you being mafia so i will push you getting shot because that is the best play town can do as you claimed.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 28 2013 03:28 GMT
#2453
On April 28 2013 12:26 Ace wrote:
Wos-->alive.notshoot

What does that mean?
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 28 2013 03:28 GMT
#2454
Well 'what I've got' at the moment is a bunch of reads that were/are wrong so it's probably better if I re-read a few things. I'll start with Clarity I guess.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 28 2013 03:31 GMT
#2455
On April 28 2013 12:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS why did you claim miller when noone even wants you copped, only shot? Did you think at all what kinda WIFOM fest this is going to lead the town into? That's the stupidest thing to do if you are town, and probably the cleverest thing to do if you are mafia. Even without the claim i'm leaning on you being mafia so i will push you getting shot because that is the best play town can do as you claimed.

There's nothing to push, you dumbass. Almost everyone has already agreed I should be shot; you don't need to puff up your fucking chest and go "HAY GUISE SHOOT HIM HE SCUM LOOK AT ME" because there's no reason to. Did I not already say I'm fine being shot if it helps the town clear up any confusion like 3 fucking times? I'm just asking people to consider the idea that I'm not scum, which you absolutely refuse to do.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 28 2013 03:33 GMT
#2456
On April 28 2013 12:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 12:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS why did you claim miller when noone even wants you copped, only shot? Did you think at all what kinda WIFOM fest this is going to lead the town into? That's the stupidest thing to do if you are town, and probably the cleverest thing to do if you are mafia. Even without the claim i'm leaning on you being mafia so i will push you getting shot because that is the best play town can do as you claimed.

There's nothing to push, you dumbass. Almost everyone has already agreed I should be shot; you don't need to puff up your fucking chest and go "HAY GUISE SHOOT HIM HE SCUM LOOK AT ME" because there's no reason to. Did I not already say I'm fine being shot if it helps the town clear up any confusion like 3 fucking times? I'm just asking people to consider the idea that I'm not scum, which you absolutely refuse to do.

Yes, i refuse to do so because if you are a miller there was no reason for you to claim, there are other ways to make people to change their mind. If you are mafia it's the cleverest thing you can do.

And everyone is not sure if you need to be shot, for example Hopeless, OO, Palmar, Ace(?)...
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 28 2013 03:35 GMT
#2457
So continue preaching to the choir by all means. In the meantime, I'm gonna go over here and be, ya know, USEFUL.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 28 2013 03:38 GMT
#2458
On April 28 2013 12:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 12:26 Ace wrote:
Wos-->alive.notshoot

What does that mean?


On April 28 2013 06:19 Ace wrote:
keyboard went bad. vigilante Yamato77. re-read VisceraEyes filter. med me.

cops--->

Oatsmaster: kushm4sta, GiygaS, kushm4sta, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,getmoript, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia,


ShiaoPi: VisceraEyes, kushm4sta, yamato77, GiygaS, Mr. Cheesecake, WaveofShadow, Stutters695, getmoript, Hopeless1der

ShiaoPi-->temp green.Sharrant--> green


On April 28 2013 07:42 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 07:22 TheRavensName wrote:
On April 28 2013 06:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Mafia down to 1 kp for factional kp no?

Also TRN, stutters and sylencia would make good checks/vig targets.



So why shoot me? Remember the modkilled scum tried to look active and kill me, and if you looked you would know I can't be scum.

My question: Why has no one really addressed WoS yet? he just claimed self aware miller but didn't counter claim before, and looked through the thread again Everyone has said WoS is scummy and yet no one except a very few amount of us have even tried to make a case against him.



Wos--->filter--->alibi!!!!!!

re-read! no vig yet till that.


look @OP!
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 03:38 GMT
#2459
On April 28 2013 12:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
So continue preaching to the choir by all means. In the meantime, I'm gonna go over here and be, ya know, USEFUL.

Forget him, do your thing. I am listening. If you need to bounce some ideas off me I'm game. Should be around for a bit.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 28 2013 03:40 GMT
#2460
On April 28 2013 12:38 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 12:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 28 2013 12:26 Ace wrote:
Wos-->alive.notshoot

What does that mean?


Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 06:19 Ace wrote:
keyboard went bad. vigilante Yamato77. re-read VisceraEyes filter. med me.

cops--->

Oatsmaster: kushm4sta, GiygaS, kushm4sta, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,getmoript, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia,


ShiaoPi: VisceraEyes, kushm4sta, yamato77, GiygaS, Mr. Cheesecake, WaveofShadow, Stutters695, getmoript, Hopeless1der

ShiaoPi-->temp green.Sharrant--> green


Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 07:42 Ace wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:22 TheRavensName wrote:
On April 28 2013 06:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Mafia down to 1 kp for factional kp no?

Also TRN, stutters and sylencia would make good checks/vig targets.



So why shoot me? Remember the modkilled scum tried to look active and kill me, and if you looked you would know I can't be scum.

My question: Why has no one really addressed WoS yet? he just claimed self aware miller but didn't counter claim before, and looked through the thread again Everyone has said WoS is scummy and yet no one except a very few amount of us have even tried to make a case against him.



Wos--->filter--->alibi!!!!!!

re-read! no vig yet till that.


look @OP!

Can you just say what do you mean? I don't understand.
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