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On April 28 2013 12:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 12:38 Ace wrote:On April 28 2013 12:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 28 2013 12:26 Ace wrote:
Wos-->alive.notshoot What does that mean? On April 28 2013 06:19 Ace wrote:
keyboard went bad. vigilante Yamato77. re-read VisceraEyes filter. med me.
cops--->
Oatsmaster: kushm4sta, GiygaS, kushm4sta, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,getmoript, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia,
ShiaoPi: VisceraEyes, kushm4sta, yamato77, GiygaS, Mr. Cheesecake, WaveofShadow, Stutters695, getmoript, Hopeless1der
ShiaoPi-->temp green.Sharrant--> green On April 28 2013 07:42 Ace wrote:On April 28 2013 07:22 TheRavensName wrote:On April 28 2013 06:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Mafia down to 1 kp for factional kp no?
Also TRN, stutters and sylencia would make good checks/vig targets.
So why shoot me? Remember the modkilled scum tried to look active and kill me, and if you looked you would know I can't be scum. My question: Why has no one really addressed WoS yet? he just claimed self aware miller but didn't counter claim before, and looked through the thread again Everyone has said WoS is scummy and yet no one except a very few amount of us have even tried to make a case against him. Wos--->filter--->alibi!!!!!! re-read! no vig yet till that. look @OP! Can you just say what do you mean? I don't understand.
Counter-claim useless because # of each role is unknown.
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What does that have to do with if WoS is miller or not?
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On April 28 2013 12:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 12:38 Ace wrote:On April 28 2013 12:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 28 2013 12:26 Ace wrote:
Wos-->alive.notshoot What does that mean? On April 28 2013 06:19 Ace wrote:
keyboard went bad. vigilante Yamato77. re-read VisceraEyes filter. med me.
cops--->
Oatsmaster: kushm4sta, GiygaS, kushm4sta, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,getmoript, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia,
ShiaoPi: VisceraEyes, kushm4sta, yamato77, GiygaS, Mr. Cheesecake, WaveofShadow, Stutters695, getmoript, Hopeless1der
ShiaoPi-->temp green.Sharrant--> green On April 28 2013 07:42 Ace wrote:On April 28 2013 07:22 TheRavensName wrote:On April 28 2013 06:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Mafia down to 1 kp for factional kp no?
Also TRN, stutters and sylencia would make good checks/vig targets.
So why shoot me? Remember the modkilled scum tried to look active and kill me, and if you looked you would know I can't be scum. My question: Why has no one really addressed WoS yet? he just claimed self aware miller but didn't counter claim before, and looked through the thread again Everyone has said WoS is scummy and yet no one except a very few amount of us have even tried to make a case against him. Wos--->filter--->alibi!!!!!! re-read! no vig yet till that. look @OP! Can you just say what do you mean? I don't understand.
RED TEXT
he just claimed self aware miller but didn't counter claim before
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Oo I'm not seeing your point. I'm five years old. Explain it to me.
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D1, Oatsmaster the Sirius is Lynched
Sirius Black (Un-Self-Aware Miller)
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Snape (Self-Aware Miller):
On April 28 2013 06:01 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Haha knew this was coming. You're welcome to vig me if it will clear up your suspicions; it appears I've been wrong a lot of this game. Just make sure you vig me and don't waste the lynch I suppose. Oh and don't bother not vigging and trying to DT check me because I'm self-aware miller. You guys need to decide if you don't trust me and want me gone or not.
Crumbs?-->alibi
On April 22 2013 02:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
HEURISTIC
Ok hai guise I'm awake. Bill Murray has gone and done a very interesting thing and I'm not so sure I understand his line of thinking in millerclaiming so early. Waiting on dat Palmar explanation.
CC you're so town-looking this early you've gotta be scum. Jes' sayin'.
Also Getmoript I didn't realize you guys were hydra-ing. Is it Geript/Mocsta? If so I think my earlier comment about you finding me scummy every game still pretty much applies since you both do it, really.
Um...real talk don't have much by way of reads yet, but VE looks to be town to me. Let the Day 1 shitfest continue and let's all learn something fun! Remember to swish and flick!
On April 22 2013 05:24 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 05:20 grush57 wrote:Also hello everyone! STARSENSES (not again :O ) On April 21 2013 17:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
At this point I need to come with something like Starsenses since I roll town every single fucking game. Grush help me come up with something! abyssal passion? Idk why we let ppl waste time with setup discussion and millers. like ITS SCUM DISTRACTIONS BRO. However d1 is stupid so, hopeless? Millers totes important, bro. Hey Marv/Geript, still looking for an answer to my question you've so conveniently ignored.
On April 22 2013 08:18 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 08:08 Sharrant wrote:On April 22 2013 08:04 getmoript wrote:On April 22 2013 07:56 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 22 2013 07:41 Vivax wrote:
Rayn, how's it going read-wise? Picked up anything else besides BM? I currently have 8 candidates as possible scum, you? lol what is this, a penis measuring contest? Either way I'm not impressed unless you have actual information to back it up. I'm really curious as to who you've come with especially considering most people's filters are too small to analyze; are you calling everyone with a filter worthy of analysis scummy? Personally the fact that geript has been pretty much avoiding me all day is enough for me for now. ##Vote: Getmoript So the fact that I've been avoiding you is scummy? Explain or die. Geript, WaveofShadow, both of you get on target here. You can return to your little slap fight afterwards if you want, but read the last few pages. Look at the cases on Rayne, and look at his filter. Then put your votes where they belong, and comment. To be fair, I'm sort of curious myself as to what exactly BM's play means and am hesitant to comment too much on the state of Rayn's tunneling until I really understand if it makes sense or not. Your case is good but as far as I'm concerned it's too early to focus entirely on just one person and try to garner everyone's town votes. Still waiting on a response Geript; nice to see a vote on you actually was enough to cause some sort of a reaction. And I don't go for that 'mod-confirmed' shit either. I'll keep it in mind but I refuse to ignore him just because of it. Especially since 3p is still quite possible (and imo, likely with 3 possible 3p roles). ##Unvote: GetmoriptI want to hear more from CC or kush at the moment.
On April 22 2013 13:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 13:26 Bill Murray wrote:On April 22 2013 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Sup guys. On April 22 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Not sure what to make of BM "claiming" snape like that. If I were to make a crazy guess, he's checking whether the real snape shows up contesting the claim, then say he posted some random shit cause he was drunk (cause that's what his posts look like ). And if the real snape doesn't show up, he will claim he's snape.
That'd be pretty ballsy, but effective scumplay. Let's see what BM has to say regarding this. What's in your opinion the point of doing this as we can't know how many of each roles are in the game? If there is someone who claims snape, why can't BM be another one? TRN and Palmar are probably town. i was making a joke about his stupid sounding name it wasn't a serious claim whatsoever this is why the internet is not good for tone. Well that was pretty anticlimactic.
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On April 28 2013 12:44 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 12:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 28 2013 12:38 Ace wrote:On April 28 2013 12:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 28 2013 12:26 Ace wrote:
Wos-->alive.notshoot What does that mean? On April 28 2013 06:19 Ace wrote:
keyboard went bad. vigilante Yamato77. re-read VisceraEyes filter. med me.
cops--->
Oatsmaster: kushm4sta, GiygaS, kushm4sta, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,getmoript, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia,
ShiaoPi: VisceraEyes, kushm4sta, yamato77, GiygaS, Mr. Cheesecake, WaveofShadow, Stutters695, getmoript, Hopeless1der
ShiaoPi-->temp green.Sharrant--> green On April 28 2013 07:42 Ace wrote:On April 28 2013 07:22 TheRavensName wrote:On April 28 2013 06:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Mafia down to 1 kp for factional kp no?
Also TRN, stutters and sylencia would make good checks/vig targets.
So why shoot me? Remember the modkilled scum tried to look active and kill me, and if you looked you would know I can't be scum. My question: Why has no one really addressed WoS yet? he just claimed self aware miller but didn't counter claim before, and looked through the thread again Everyone has said WoS is scummy and yet no one except a very few amount of us have even tried to make a case against him. Wos--->filter--->alibi!!!!!! re-read! no vig yet till that. look @OP! Can you just say what do you mean? I don't understand. RED TEXT he just claimed self aware miller but didn't counter claim before
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Anyone who is mafia could make those "crumbs" in case they had to claim something. Why are you only looking at this and not how and when WoS claimed, what does this mean if he is mafia and why the fuck would he claim if he was town?
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Yes i am not seeing what OO means either.
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Clarity
Re-read. Honestly...not so sure why I was so hesitant to call him scum after being the FIRST ONE TO RIP UP HIS FUCKING CASE that everyone seems to forget about, and yet other people seem to want credit for. Fuck it, call me scummy for looking for towncred but at the very least acknowledge the fact that I told him his case was bad. I guess I didn't think that bad case = scummy case for him and I was wrong. It also didn't help that I saw a lot of my early play in his posting...and I never really did clarification as to whether he was seen as a new player or not. Looking through his past history he's played in quite a few mafia games so that probably should have been my biggest tell; the very thing I was excusing him for only worked if he was new, essentially. Lazy and dumb on my part, but oh well.
Now as to who he mentions (because I've noticed this seems to work really well in post-flip analysis):
Calls Sharrant scum in his original case - yeah I think we all know how that turned out. He also provides soft defenses for Rayn and Hopeless in there but I don't think that's necessarily relevant because that would assume Sharrant was onto something back then with the two of them.
Mentions looking into Giygas, BC, and ShiaoPi. Never does. Sadly this is null because we don't know if they're all town, or some of them are scum and he never planned on visiting them via case.
Then this:
As for the people I said I'd check: pretty confident BC is town, giygas is who the fuck knows and I don't understand why the fuck shiao hammered after showing no interest in oats whatsoever.
Only person he is confident giving a proper read with the words 'town/scum' in it is BC. Is this because he has prior knowledge of BC being town or because he is trying to give BC towncred as scum? Personally I believe the first option to be more likely, but that does shed interesting light on Giygas and ShiaoPi. Why no reads at all despite this being his post where he said he'd check??
Players Clarity never mentions at all or responds to whatsoever:
tube, grush, kush, OO, Ace, Drazak/Artanis, Sylencia, and VE.
We know one of these was mafia, bad I think the issue here is a general lack of presence in the thread, making this difficult (at least for me; maybe someone else can make something of it).
I think at least from this Giygas and Shiao deserve looking into; probably more Giygas than Shiao because I just can't trust my own earlier reads anymore.
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On April 28 2013 12:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyone who is mafia could make those "crumbs" in case they had to claim something. Why are you only looking at this and not how and when WoS claimed, what does this mean if he is mafia and why the fuck would he claim if he was town?
rare. showed interest in resolution!
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THIS GAME IS HARD TO PLAY WHEN PROLEAGUE IS STREAMING ARGH SO MUCH DELAY THIS WILL TAKE INORDINATELY LONG TO PUT TOGETHER
WoS said he tried to breadcrumb miller without claiming
OP says role numbers are unknown
TRN asked why there was no counter-claim
Ace says look at WoS filter so we look (not quoting with timestamps page loads are taking FOR FUCKING EVER):
Ok hai guise I'm awake. Bill Murray has gone and done a very interesting thing and I'm not so sure I understand his line of thinking in millerclaiming so early. Waiting on dat Palmar explanation.
Millers totes important, bro.
Hey Marv/Geript, still looking for an answer to my question you've so conveniently ignored.
- SENSITIVITY TO MILLER ROLE
BM did not claim, but WoS was willing to take it as a claim because he is aware that there can be more than one.
- FIRST LINE OF SECOND QUOTE
Why is miller totes important? It's not. It shouldn't be IMO. So this stands out. Reads as soft claim.
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On April 28 2013 12:56 ObviousOne wrote:THIS GAME IS HARD TO PLAY WHEN PROLEAGUE IS STREAMING ARGH SO MUCH DELAY THIS WILL TAKE INORDINATELY LONG TO PUT TOGETHER WoS said he tried to breadcrumb miller without claiming OP says role numbers are unknown TRN asked why there was no counter-claim Ace says look at WoS filter so we look (not quoting with timestamps page loads are taking FOR FUCKING EVER): Show nested quote +Ok hai guise I'm awake. Bill Murray has gone and done a very interesting thing and I'm not so sure I understand his line of thinking in millerclaiming so early. Waiting on dat Palmar explanation. Show nested quote +Millers totes important, bro.
Hey Marv/Geript, still looking for an answer to my question you've so conveniently ignored. - SENSITIVITY TO MILLER ROLE BM did not claim, but WoS was willing to take it as a claim because he is aware that there can be more than one. - FIRST LINE OF SECOND QUOTE Why is miller totes important? It's not. It shouldn't be IMO. So this stands out. Reads as soft claim.
And how this makes WoS a miller and how it's not possible for him to be mafia soft-claiming miller in case he needs to do so later?
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I already explained why I claimed; you not believing me does not mean I didn't explain it, Rayn. Ace did you pick up on that stuff before I claimed or not? Because that to me means I may have not completely failed.
OO I'm unsure as to what you mean by refusing to counterclaim. I didn't counterclaim when BM originally claimed because it just didn't seem to me to be a good idea whatsoever then, especially when the entire thread was frantically trying to determine what was going on with BM not to mention the thread was divided as to whether it was a good idea or not to counterclaim at all. (I assume there oculd be more than one Snape, btw, so counterclaiming doesn't even mean anything here). Any counterclaim I made would derail the effort to determine whether or not BM was scummy and it generated good discussion at the time which I felt no desire to derail.
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On April 28 2013 12:56 ObviousOne wrote:THIS GAME IS HARD TO PLAY WHEN PROLEAGUE IS STREAMING ARGH SO MUCH DELAY THIS WILL TAKE INORDINATELY LONG TO PUT TOGETHER WoS said he tried to breadcrumb miller without claiming OP says role numbers are unknown TRN asked why there was no counter-claim Ace says look at WoS filter so we look (not quoting with timestamps page loads are taking FOR FUCKING EVER): Show nested quote +Ok hai guise I'm awake. Bill Murray has gone and done a very interesting thing and I'm not so sure I understand his line of thinking in millerclaiming so early. Waiting on dat Palmar explanation. Show nested quote +Millers totes important, bro.
Hey Marv/Geript, still looking for an answer to my question you've so conveniently ignored. - SENSITIVITY TO MILLER ROLE BM did not claim, but WoS was willing to take it as a claim because he is aware that there can be more than one. - FIRST LINE OF SECOND QUOTE Why is miller totes important? It's not. It shouldn't be IMO. So this stands out. Reads as soft claim.
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Ok OO I follow you. Whether or not people believe me, OO is right about everything he posted. I was figuratiely asking Palmar there if I should really counterclaim.
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Now again, this doesn't necessarily mean I don't think I should be shot if it's fucking with people's reads and whatnot---I understand if it is. I just ask that you take this information into consideration when reading what I post tonight and looking back when I flip.
What do people think of BC right now? I remember really not liking his initial posting; bullying the thread into submission really seems anti-town to me and prevents people from sharing reads/opinions. Is he known to do this often? I'm going to look again and see if I can pick anything up. Going to do this as often as I possibly can tonight---even if my reads are bad (which they always fucking seem to be, sigh) you guys will have what to work with.
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Ace, what are you feeling on Hopeless? He's been on the wrong side of both lynches so far in the worst way possible. Unlucky town, or mafia?
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So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller:
On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched.
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Actually Ace and OO didn't apparently think he's supicious, at least they have not expressed that after D2, so ignore that part on my last post.
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On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched.
I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch.
Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple.
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