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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 28 2013 01:47 GMT
#2421
Ebwop: I'm not a VIG.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 28 2013 01:53 GMT
#2422
Yeah we do disagree. Also in Ego when WoS was under heavy suspicion (nearly lynched) he came up with reads on people, not self-defence. It's the start of the night phase. Who is to say he cannot change what people think or might think about him? He is defending himself before he even needs to be defended (which would be at the end of the night). He is prematurely defending himself, i want him to tell us why. Another fact is that millers should never claim, ever, in this setup. BC explained it on D1. Third fact is that nobody wants WoS copped, people want him vigged. There is no reason for him to claim miller if he is town.
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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 28 2013 01:59 GMT
#2423
He's trying to avoid a bullet, not the rope. I get where your coming from but his claim isn't the dumbest thing i could think of. BM trying to push kush outranks wos' claim, but I think all parties are town right now. (You, kush, bm, wos)
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 28 2013 02:05 GMT
#2424
The thing is if he avoids the bullet he will very likely avoid the rope too. I agree that Kush and BM are town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 28 2013 02:12 GMT
#2425
Holy shit, i just figured out something. Something that is very clever play from mafia if i am right. But whether or not i'm right or wrong we all need to agree that WoS needs to be shot tonight. Does anyone figure out what do i meaning?
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ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 02:16 GMT
#2426
I can think of a reason to claim right now if he does feel at risk: weekends tend to reduce activity in general. If the Vig pops in, sees people requesting him to be shot, and they don't make it back before end of night to change their action based on the claim (regardless of its veracity) and their belief in it, he dies before that information is considered.

Hopeless I think I want to talk with you for a bit of you're going to be around. I like what you just posted and I'll be wrapping up what I'm doing momentarily to chat. Propose to me two lynches for tomorrow and I'll see how it lines up with my feelings/reads.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 28 2013 02:20 GMT
#2427
I'd rather wait for flips but at the moment I'd want to lynch yamato, vig sylencia/stutters, and potentially lynch a vet who will remain nameless because I legitimately don't one which one I think is "faking it". I guess I don't want to lynch VE, but palmar ace and BC are up in the air.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 28 2013 02:25 GMT
#2428
May i ask why Ace?
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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 28 2013 02:27 GMT
#2429
"He's alive" is all I've got right now.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 28 2013 02:29 GMT
#2430
Why do people want to lynch me?

Because Ace is a dumbass?
Writer@WriterYamato
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 28 2013 02:30 GMT
#2431
Actually considering you have yamato as your #1 lynch target, why not just say the vet you are talking about is Palmar? Or do you think yamato/BC are faking their suspicion against each other?
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 28 2013 02:30 GMT
#2432
And by dumbass, I mean he keeps telling people I'm mafia without a case.

I guess I have to show you guys just how much he is actually not trustworthy to get you to realize.
Writer@WriterYamato
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 28 2013 02:37 GMT
#2433
yamato why is Ace mafia?

Any comment on this:
Holy shit, i just figured out something. Something that is very clever play from mafia if i am right. But whether or not i'm right or wrong we all need to agree that WoS needs to be shot tonight. Does anyone figure out what do i meaning?

?
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ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 02:37 GMT
#2434
On April 28 2013 11:20 Hopeless1der wrote:
I'd rather wait for flips but at the moment I'd want to lynch yamato, vig sylencia/stutters, and potentially lynch a vet who will remain nameless because I legitimately don't one which one I think is "faking it". I guess I don't want to lynch VE, but palmar ace and BC are up in the air.

I've come around a bit on VE myself, I don't really feel like lynching him anytime soon. Whether he adjusted his play because I pointed out the things I expected of a town VE (he turned his game around approx. when I was going to look further into his town history, I should probably still take a look for my own notes at some point) or because he just had the time/inclination to do so in face of me pushing for his lynch, I'm far less red on him than I was at the start of D2.

Agree with the vig on stutters, at the least. Syl's responses struck me as town and I could do with a full re-read of Syl at the moment so I'll check that out when I finish this reply. Are you thinking of something mentioned before when the topic of DrHelvetica's activity was brought up that I may also be thinking of? It's something for after Stutters' flip so I don't think I want to talk about it right now but do you smell what the Rock is cooking when I say that?

Last part, the camouflaged veteran, just based on statistics I think it's likely at least one of the 5 most experienced players is mafia (Doc H/Stutters now, BM, Ace, Palmar, BC being the most prolific players to my knowledge) and of those, the names you mentioned are the best bets when it comes to that subset of players. Possibly scummy concept related semi-related to the last paragraph as well to discuss after a Stutters flip if we get one.

Yeah maybe I am taking your actions at too much face value and not looking closely enough at your intent, we seem to be reasonably close in reads. Gonna take a look at Syl to see if I agree with calling for a Vig on him. He felt really townie to me early on despite lack of activity, though I semi-defended him for activity because I didn't want his filter full of just defense.

Pre-post edit: I see Yamato has named the veteran in question.

Need to restart my network, something is bugging out ...

On April 28 2013 11:30 yamato77 wrote:
And by dumbass, I mean he keeps telling people I'm mafia without a case.

I guess I have to show you guys just how much he is actually not trustworthy to get you to realize.


Yamato I want to see you get pissed like you did at VE in Nomination and solve the game. That was BALLER.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 28 2013 02:40 GMT
#2435
On April 28 2013 11:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually considering you have yamato as your #1 lynch target, why not just say the vet you are talking about is Palmar? Or do you think yamato/BC are faking their suspicion against each other?

I'm very wary of ace in general and I'm not convinced of any bus shenannies. VE is cleared because I read him as giving a shit, not because of his interactions with yamato.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 28 2013 02:40 GMT
#2436
OO:
If VE is town how do you explain mafia letting their vigilante die that easily?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 28 2013 02:43 GMT
#2437
On April 28 2013 11:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 11:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually considering you have yamato as your #1 lynch target, why not just say the vet you are talking about is Palmar? Or do you think yamato/BC are faking their suspicion against each other?

I'm very wary of ace in general and I'm not convinced of any bus shenannies. VE is cleared because I read him as giving a shit, not because of his interactions with yamato.

So you think it's possible that Ace decided it's a good idea to let their vigi die and remove 2 KP from their team when he could probably have easily come up with reasons to lynch ShiaoPi over Clarity. No fucking way Ace is mafia.
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ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
April 28 2013 02:59 GMT
#2438
On April 28 2013 11:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
OO:
If VE is town how do you explain mafia letting their vigilante die that easily?

Do you remember when Me VE and BM all bussed Artanis, our Mafia Godfather Assassin in Boardwalk? Sometimes killing a power role is what you have to do when you're backed into a corner. That's not what I think happened here since you're talking about Ace and I was thinking Palmar was the scummiest of the 5 so that may be where the thinking malfunction is coming from on my end.

(Also it's taking like 10 min no joke to generate the quote page and it's driving me insane, is anyone else having connectivity issues with TL but not other things? might be settled down now but I'm going to post this in case it starts acting up again...)
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 28 2013 03:02 GMT
#2439
On April 28 2013 11:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 11:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
On April 28 2013 11:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually considering you have yamato as your #1 lynch target, why not just say the vet you are talking about is Palmar? Or do you think yamato/BC are faking their suspicion against each other?

I'm very wary of ace in general and I'm not convinced of any bus shenannies. VE is cleared because I read him as giving a shit, not because of his interactions with yamato.

So you think it's possible that Ace decided it's a good idea to let their vigi die and remove 2 KP from their team when he could probably have easily come up with reasons to lynch ShiaoPi over Clarity. No fucking way Ace is mafia.

In exchange for infinite towncred? Fuck yeah. I'm not saying that's what I think happened but he's not confirmed in my mind just yet.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 28 2013 03:02 GMT
#2440
On April 28 2013 11:59 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 11:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
OO:
If VE is town how do you explain mafia letting their vigilante die that easily?

Do you remember when Me VE and BM all bussed Artanis, our Mafia Godfather Assassin in Boardwalk? Sometimes killing a power role is what you have to do when you're backed into a corner. That's not what I think happened here since you're talking about Ace and I was thinking Palmar was the scummiest of the 5 so that may be where the thinking malfunction is coming from on my end.

(Also it's taking like 10 min no joke to generate the quote page and it's driving me insane, is anyone else having connectivity issues with TL but not other things? might be settled down now but I'm going to post this in case it starts acting up again...)

That was because all of the fucking D1 candidates were town in PYP!!! It does not answer the question, if VE is town why didn't mafia even try to push a mislynch on D2???
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