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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
On April 28 2013 08:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I like your post Rayn, but I still find it hard to believe that VE is scum. The way he's playing contrasts the scum game I played with him in PYP so much in a way I don't think he would if he landed in a scum team with two players that basically went AFK and a bunch of suspicion on him. He seems willing to pick up the glove and contribute. I will say that your counter wagon thing especially given that the scum that flipped was a vigi too holds a lot of water, but if I can compare it to the PYP game I played again; There were three lynch candidates on D1, me, VE, and shelvocke. All three of us were scum. If scum has no town presence, then these situations can happen. I don't know why you say the first bolded part. Can you explain better, i don't see it? He wanted to lynch RO and deconduo on D1, and made a big case on RO. Here he made a big case on ShiaoPi based on what Vivax said not even considering Clarity until the thread sentiment was about to change. What makes his play so different? Do you think ShiaoPi is scum aswell? Why were there no real counter wagons pushed then? | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
Looking at ShiaoPi in a vacuum, yes, I think he's scum. Started out active, then activity took a nosedive. He seemed to not care much about getting lynched either, which given that if he was scum, would be explained by having at least two inactive teammates. He said he'd post more after going to bed. He hasn't come back to the thread in more than 24 hours. Like I said, it could very well be that scum doesn't have any presence in town and therefore have no control of whom gets pushed. It happened to us in PYP. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
In PYP he was the scum thread presence on D1. What's so different here and why can't he be scum based on what i said? D1 VE didn't do much, didn't push any lynch. D2 he would need to if his team is inactive/not contributing. And again, if ShiaoPi is scum and VE town, why didn't scum push VE or any other lynch? I see zero reason not to do so. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
I see zero reason to do so. | ||
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Sharrant
Canada543 Posts
For anyone with doubts about BM, I think Clarity's filter should show that they weren't scum together. Clarity brings up lynching ShiaoPi quite a few times, seems to be setting him up for the noose. He also references GiygaS as someone to look into puts him as "who the fuck knows" I'm leaning towards them being opposite alignments because of this, but I haven't read from both angles yet. The other thing is this post in particular jumps out at me: On April 23 2013 16:02 Clarity_nl wrote: Providing easy outs isn't anti-town so much as it is pro-scum. It's very easy to say "do this or I'll lynch you!!!!" because your target will do what you ask. This is fine if you are asking for something that may result in anything but when you ask a question with only one possible answer regardless of your targets alignment then it is just a waste of space. If you are town and you are scumhunting you do NOT want to give whoever you're pressuring the "how-to-get-rid-of-me guide" Asking questions is fine, it generates discussion even when you do it as scum, but when there is no clear motivation NOR follow-up behind the questions then I begin to wonder why the question was asked at all, and I can only see it as feigning to contribute which is obviously a scum trait. Although I don't agree with defending a townread day 1 at all unless they are at risk of being lynched (which he is clearly not) you do make a valid point concerning the first post I addressed. I still believe I am on to something but I can see with the current thread sentiment and the fact that I am in no strong position (showing up way late >.<) that this lynch isn't happening. A weak case is still a case and it could have sparked some discussion that's not centered around oats and yamato which are as far as I'm concerned both policy lynches at best. Where did that come out of? Read through the rest of Clarity's filter and find a post that feels as constructed and peer reviewed as that one. He suddenly comes in and calmly explains something to WoS and sounds like he's writing a paper for a class. Look at every other post in his filter, they all just read like they were slapped out in a minute after finding whichever thing he thought he could run with against a player. Is this Clarity and WoS trying to "act natural" in the thread via prestructured conversation? There's some more interesting things in Clarity's filter, but I'd like someone that isn't Ace/BC/BM/Palmar to find them, and give opinions on them (you four can comment after someone else mentions it). | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
im going to put in time reading before we have our next lynch, and see how i adjust my list... In between the early 80s and 100 I need to go over, for sure, and I need to read from my "miller claim" to when I appeared next, there. I don't know the exact pages | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On April 28 2013 07:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: BM why is BC obvtown and VE scum? BC isnt "obvtown" i had him "fairly strong townread" at that positioning even where Palmar is I question it, and see minor associative tells Ace is the only person I in no way would push a lynch on I suppose it's really less a lynch of "scummy" to "not scummy" and more of "i could get the town, and I, to lynch less" and "i could get the town, and I, to lynch more, being beneficial towards" ...rayn's wall. will post my thoughts. rayn looks town or hardcore bussing in agreeing with me ...gotta put him maybe more than "leaning town"..I would have him above obviousone but not above BC by any means... BTW BC, I am an emotional player... for that, I apologize. BC and Ace are untouchable at this point. So is Palmar, but more lynch-dependent for me. I'm not saying lynch + to get information, because that leads to negativity in the town the next day. I am saying lynch whoever. Lynch kush because of him and rayn having complete opposite solid stances on my "claim"... that at least has the semblance of a 50:50, which town needs. By no means would that be a "chainlynch", because I would bet kush or rayn are scum over that encounter... which was really just me making fun of sevie's name... I didn't even know he was miller at the time, and haven't, in any way, read over what role name is what character to the point that I remember this character is this role I remember there is a jack, vig, ferinze is a parity cop... silly centaur.... parity cop... whatever. It's irrelevant. Going to catch up. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On April 28 2013 07:22 TheRavensName wrote: So why shoot me? Remember the modkilled scum tried to look active and kill me, and if you looked you would know I can't be scum. My question: Why has no one really addressed WoS yet? he just claimed self aware miller but didn't counter claim before, and looked through the thread again Everyone has said WoS is scummy and yet no one except a very few amount of us have even tried to make a case against him. TRN looks terrible for this Is he not reading? I just said the exact bolded | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
i've been in a game as scum top 3 wagons were all scum it happens | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On April 28 2013 08:46 Bill Murray wrote: TRN looks terrible for this Is he not reading? I just said the exact bolded But it hasn't been a subject of real thread discussion which is what I mean. Your falling in where I said hes been mentioned but nothing has really been done about it. i mean technically Ray and I were pushing him too for quite a bit and nothing has happened. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
a lot of that was taken from my pressuring, and my case, honestly I pushed it before Sharrant Noone was interested in who was a better lynch over you, ace... and ve?... no. i KNEW who was a better lynch, and not because I have a rolelist Ace and I have had discussion of ___ role and ___ role for mafia, and which are better to lynch, but that was on d1 relating to yamato and oats. I am null on ShiaoPi, largely, but would okay lynching him. I am not really keen on lynching someone I don't have a read on................... So I definitely cared more than you I cared because I take full credit for Clarity being lynched, and if you don't agree with that, you don't know what you're talking about, Rayn. Your Sylencia read is probably right, but self-preservation is largely null. He is right about Yamato/Oats being the 2 prevalent counterwagons d1. D2 I tried to get wagons on people other than Clarity, so that hurts my "credit" for "sticking with it"... but it wasn't "sharrants case" it was "sharrants defense, and countercase" Sharrant had to DEFEND himself because it was CLARITY'S CASE. I pressured Clarity over his weak, fabricated case, weaseling him into lying the way town-VE tries to do... haven't seen VE doing that. VE + Sylencia for me are 1) meta on VE as VE, and 2) meta on sylencia for mafish behavior. I don't know how he plays, though, so for me it is largely gut. I don't believe you're right about the voting, or lying. Those are rookie mistakes anyone can make... I could make them as town. They are, to reiterate, largely null. OK now he's saying he wouldn't like WoS shot, and is soft-defending him. Humorous, considering. the end of rayn's wall has me unwavering again. I'm still leaning scum on him... I'm going to finish this wall up, but after that, I will probably be largely ignoring him he's appealing to sense of authority lumping himself in with Ace, and casting doubt on VE This makes me want to lynch VE less than Rayn, although I want to lynch them both eventually I would rather go after WoS right now for that miller claim... especially with no counterclaim... TRN... I have brought this up TWICE, now... why did you parrot me? | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On April 28 2013 08:51 TheRavensName wrote: But it hasn't been a subject of real thread discussion which is what I mean. Your falling in where I said hes been mentioned but nothing has really been done about it. i mean technically Ray and I were pushing him too for quite a bit and nothing has happened. "your" you mean "you're" Dude, I JUST brought it up RIGHT BEFORE you posted this Are you reading? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
On April 28 2013 08:48 Bill Murray wrote: rayn you're being illogical over "townie counter wagons" and such i've been in a game as scum top 3 wagons were all scum it happens I know it happens, but it's unlike. If VE is town then i would without a doubt lynch yamato. You are also being illogical: rayn looks town or hardcore bussing in agreeing with me ...gotta put him maybe more than "leaning town".. ... Lynch kush because of him and rayn having complete opposite solid stances on my "claim"... that at least has the semblance of a 50:50, which town needs. By no means would that be a "chainlynch", because I would bet kush or rayn are scum over that encounter... I don't see how having different opinion on something like that is a scumtell and why one of us has to be scum. Kush has been making very little sense but my opinion of him is that he usually does not make much sense. And i can see how he reaches his conclusions in D1 (in a weird way - agreed on that). | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On April 28 2013 06:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote: BM surprisingly I just filter dove WoS and I do agree with you a bit. I would say his most damning bit is the not wanting to change over to clarity for a lynch. However if shiao flips mafia as well then WoS imo would be more in the clear than not. i could kiss you right now | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On April 28 2013 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: I know it happens, but it's unlike. If VE is town then i would without a doubt lynch yamato. You are also being illogical: I don't see how having different opinion on something like that is a scumtell and why one of us has to be scum. Kush has been making very little sense but my opinion of him is that he usually does not make much sense. And i can see how he reaches his conclusions in D1 (in a weird way - agreed on that). .. flip flopping isn't being illogical town flip flop more than scum | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
It really makes me see why me making a joke about a random character's name who I didn't know the exact role for is funny | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On April 28 2013 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah and WoS also claimed miller, that makes him a shot #1. | ||
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Bill Murray
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