TL Mafia LXI - Page 119

On April 22 2013 20:45 Sylencia wrote:
Ok, I'm back, and going back to the start to see what I can gather:

Notes:
- I don't care about meta reads very much. It's easy to manipulate, especially when people outright say 'based on X's meta, he is acting like his town self'. Unless it's obvious, I generally disregard meta arguments.

Comments / Observations:
- Oats v Palmar early on. The way I read it, Oats seemingly made a joke statement about Palmar, yet the response was ever so serious.
Palmar: Is your vote just parked on Oats while you look for actual suspicious people or do you seriously believe that Oats was calling you out there? Since it's instant majority lynch, a single vote doesn't really matter until we get to 10+ votes, but I'm just interested if your read on Oats has changed since the initial accusation.

- I was actually suspicious of gemoript due to the super weak town reads / don't kill these guys yet post until the hydra cut occurred, and valid points have been raised about that action, but I don't really want to talk about that any further.



Based on one statement I make which isn't indicative of anything whatsoever makes you think I'm scummy? It's fine if you're accusing me if you have a case but casual accusations with no followups don't sit well with me since it ends up being bait for people to jump on.

So other than the lack of activity which I have shown thus far, are there any other points you'd like to make?



Trying. Not easy though, 20 pages of catchup doesn't make it easy to digest the content.



From the pages regarding TRN and Rayn, both have been hard at work defending each other, though I don't really understand the point being raised about why Rayn isn't scum.

Was he scum when he tunneled or was he town? Rayn has shown tendencies in other games to shotgun vote and accuse others, and it's seen here and from your games he can tunnel too. His behaviour is erratic and so unless there's points regarding the content being townie, I don't think anything can be said about the way he plays.

You dislike Sharrant, so does that mean you suspect him or are you just putting it out there? Does Rayn's activity put him in the town books for you, because while it can be used as a basis for a case when none others appear, it's pretty alignment indicitive. If it's not part of your reasoning behind it, why is rayn already town in your eyes?

(Okay, seems like this is asked later on, but I'm leaving it here as per OO's request)



I'm somewhat doing the same, so I'm wondering how you can see someone as town without looking at the whole picture. I haven't really got any town reads due to this, but the fact you're able to either means you're doing something wrong, or you know something we don't.

- Following from this there's a clear TRN-Sharrant-Rayn argument breaking out, with Sharrant backtracking on past accusations and rayn aggressively defending while accusing Sharrant as well.

Rayn: Pushing for all millers to die (and voting on it) on day 1 honestly doesn't sound like a great plan. It wastes days where there's actually stuff to analyse, it creates a lazy town atmosphere which only helps scum, and with that comes a lot less conversation. You said you thought that BM was scum but what makes him so much more scummy at the time than someone else with low number of posts and providing just words and not content (eg. me)?

In any case:




This looks so dumb honestly.

Ok, I'm done for now, ##vote rayn at the moment because of the weirdest irregularities in posts.

On April 23 2013 23:58 Sylencia wrote:
Oats is the vote for me. Case from Vivax + aftermath between yamato vs Oats has convinced me more to taking down Oats. The thing that was holding me back most was that my primary scum suspect (rayn) was on Oats fairly early on. However:



Given that Oats never actually provided anything for us in terms of reads afterwards and posted crap about being green and telling people to push others. If he has nothing to say either:
a) He's playing as the bad townie
b) He's withholding that info from us to stop us from gaining more than we need from the lynch.

Either case is bad for town, so that's why I'm willing to go down on Oats.

##Unvote
##Vote Oats

On April 27 2013 10:05 Sylencia wrote:
Clarity hasn't been here for 72 hours now .. in which case I'd much rather go for the kill on Shiao today. I won't be around for much today (though I guess you could argue I haven't been around too much), since I'm going to be at a LAN tournament, but I'll try sneak a peek at the topic whenever I can.

##Vote ShiaoPi