if you dont vig him im sad.
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
if you dont vig him im sad. | ||
Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 28 2013 06:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Wait he claimed miller? Shoot him instantly ???y | ||
Ace
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Sharrant
Canada543 Posts
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
there was 2kp. 1 guy got shot. if palmar got rbed the shot wouldnt go throw because a 3rd party + mafia would be 3kp. so whoever roleblocked palmar do it again. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On April 28 2013 07:05 Sharrant wrote: Yamato, do you have any desire whatsoever to lynch Ace? Lots of desire, very serious. Will talk at length later, not at home. Viging me is fine, since I will flip town and people will stop being dumb about what I say anyway. | ||
Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
Bill Murray Ace Palmar BloodyCobbler Sharrant Probably town, not 100% in order: Grush57 Mr. Cheesecake TheRavensName Artanis[Xp] getmoript ObviousOne Grush57 Policy lynches: Yamato77 Hopeless1der Stutters695 ShiaoPi GiygaS Scum in here: raynpelikoneet Kushm4sta Sylencia VisceraEyes WaveofShadow I want to leave rayn for now. I also want to leave kush. I want to lynch VE, Sylencia, or WoS... preferably VE or WoS, as Sylencia is more of a gutread | ||
Sharrant
Canada543 Posts
On April 28 2013 07:16 yamato77 wrote: Lots of desire, very serious. Will talk at length later, not at home. Viging me is fine, since I will flip town and people will stop being dumb about what I say anyway. I'm excited about this, I want to read it, because right now this reads to me as a scum claim from you. On April 28 2013 07:15 grush57 wrote: i meant that whoever the sk or sp shoots will get killed no matter what. there was 2kp. 1 guy got shot. if palmar got rbed the shot wouldnt go throw because a 3rd party + mafia would be 3kp. so whoever roleblocked palmar do it again. The serial poisoner wouldn't show up until night 2's end though, right? Or are notifications given when a player is poisoned? | ||
Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
what is the likelihood we have a 3rd party or two? ... that sucks, but it is a distinct possibility. | ||
grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
But certainly someone would claim if notified correct? | ||
Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On April 28 2013 07:20 Sharrant wrote: I'm excited about this, I want to read it, because right now this reads to me as a scum claim from you. The serial poisoner wouldn't show up until night 2's end though, right? Or are notifications given when a player is poisoned? OMG ESP LOL | ||
Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On April 28 2013 07:22 grush57 wrote: oh thats true, I don't know if they get notified. But certainly someone would claim if notified correct? grush are u a basilisk bro? | ||
TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On April 28 2013 06:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Mafia down to 1 kp for factional kp no? Also TRN, stutters and sylencia would make good checks/vig targets. So why shoot me? Remember the modkilled scum tried to look active and kill me, and if you looked you would know I can't be scum. My question: Why has no one really addressed WoS yet? he just claimed self aware miller but didn't counter claim before, and looked through the thread again Everyone has said WoS is scummy and yet no one except a very few amount of us have even tried to make a case against him. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On April 28 2013 07:22 TheRavensName wrote: So why shoot me? Remember the modkilled scum tried to look active and kill me, and if you looked you would know I can't be scum. My question: Why has no one really addressed WoS yet? he just claimed self aware miller but didn't counter claim before, and looked through the thread again Everyone has said WoS is scummy and yet no one except a very few amount of us have even tried to make a case against him. I said shoot him. | ||
BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
Why wouldn't you kill him? WoS at that moment was in no danger to being auto killed IMO and he claimed self aware miller. We already had this talk day 1. I believe my stance is straight forward. Although I can think of a few reasons not to | ||
Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 28 2013 07:22 TheRavensName wrote: So why shoot me? Remember the modkilled scum tried to look active and kill me, and if you looked you would know I can't be scum. My question: Why has no one really addressed WoS yet? he just claimed self aware miller but didn't counter claim before, and looked through the thread again Everyone has said WoS is scummy and yet no one except a very few amount of us have even tried to make a case against him. Wos--->filter--->alibi!!!!!! re-read! no vig yet till that. | ||
Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 28 2013 07:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Why wouldn't you kill him? WoS at that moment was in no danger to being auto killed IMO and he claimed self aware miller. We already had this talk day 1. I believe my stance is straight forward. Although I can think of a few reasons not to Wos--->filter--->alibi!!!!!! re-read! no vig yet till that. | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
First of all, there is absolutely no way scum bussed Clarity before the very end of the day. He was a scum vigilante, and there is no way he was bussed over any scum role. If we lynched mafia D2, they would go down to 1 factional KP. If we lynched a mafia vigilante, they would lose not one but two KP during one day. No fucking way they bussed. What does this mean: There HAS to be a townie counter-wagon pushed by mafia. There absolutely has to. What were the counter-wagons for D2? VisceraEyes and ShiaoPi. I do not think ShiaoPi is mafia based on this: If ShiaoPi was mafia, that would mean mafia would have to push VE lynch very hard to secure their teammates. Who has pushed VE hard? Palmar? No, not really. There has been noone that has pushed VE hard. The only person who has tried to "convince" anyone of VE being mafia is Palmar. If Palmar was mafia, he would have put a lot more effort in lynching VE. That makes Palmar not mafia. VisceraEyes: VisceraEyes was the only one pushing ShiaoPi lynch hard. Based on what Vivax said. That's cool and everything, but until people started to consolidate to Clarity over ShiaoPi, VE showed no interest in lynching Clarity. When Ace brought up good points added to Sharrant's Clarity case, VE said "he doesn't care which of them is lynched and is willing to consolidate if needed". He never consolidates, just let's go. Also remember, noone else was interested in finding out which one of them is a better lynch other than me, Ace and VisceraEyes. VisceraEyes is mafia. Sylencia: Sylencia never gives any reasoning why he thinks people he votes for are scum. Here are his posts where he votes for people: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2013 20:45 Sylencia wrote: Ok, I'm back, and going back to the start to see what I can gather: Notes: - I don't care about meta reads very much. It's easy to manipulate, especially when people outright say 'based on X's meta, he is acting like his town self'. Unless it's obvious, I generally disregard meta arguments. Comments / Observations: - Oats v Palmar early on. The way I read it, Oats seemingly made a joke statement about Palmar, yet the response was ever so serious. Palmar: Is your vote just parked on Oats while you look for actual suspicious people or do you seriously believe that Oats was calling you out there? Since it's instant majority lynch, a single vote doesn't really matter until we get to 10+ votes, but I'm just interested if your read on Oats has changed since the initial accusation. - I was actually suspicious of gemoript due to the super weak town reads / don't kill these guys yet post until the hydra cut occurred, and valid points have been raised about that action, but I don't really want to talk about that any further. Based on one statement I make which isn't indicative of anything whatsoever makes you think I'm scummy? It's fine if you're accusing me if you have a case but casual accusations with no followups don't sit well with me since it ends up being bait for people to jump on. So other than the lack of activity which I have shown thus far, are there any other points you'd like to make? Trying. Not easy though, 20 pages of catchup doesn't make it easy to digest the content. From the pages regarding TRN and Rayn, both have been hard at work defending each other, though I don't really understand the point being raised about why Rayn isn't scum. Was he scum when he tunneled or was he town? Rayn has shown tendencies in other games to shotgun vote and accuse others, and it's seen here and from your games he can tunnel too. His behaviour is erratic and so unless there's points regarding the content being townie, I don't think anything can be said about the way he plays. You dislike Sharrant, so does that mean you suspect him or are you just putting it out there? Does Rayn's activity put him in the town books for you, because while it can be used as a basis for a case when none others appear, it's pretty alignment indicitive. If it's not part of your reasoning behind it, why is rayn already town in your eyes? (Okay, seems like this is asked later on, but I'm leaving it here as per OO's request) I'm somewhat doing the same, so I'm wondering how you can see someone as town without looking at the whole picture. I haven't really got any town reads due to this, but the fact you're able to either means you're doing something wrong, or you know something we don't. - Following from this there's a clear TRN-Sharrant-Rayn argument breaking out, with Sharrant backtracking on past accusations and rayn aggressively defending while accusing Sharrant as well. Rayn: Pushing for all millers to die (and voting on it) on day 1 honestly doesn't sound like a great plan. It wastes days where there's actually stuff to analyse, it creates a lazy town atmosphere which only helps scum, and with that comes a lot less conversation. You said you thought that BM was scum but what makes him so much more scummy at the time than someone else with low number of posts and providing just words and not content (eg. me)? In any case: This looks so dumb honestly. Ok, I'm done for now, ##vote rayn at the moment because of the weirdest irregularities in posts. If someone can tell me what of the things Sylencia says about me makes me mafia, i'm all ears. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2013 23:58 Sylencia wrote: Oats is the vote for me. Case from Vivax + aftermath between yamato vs Oats has convinced me more to taking down Oats. The thing that was holding me back most was that my primary scum suspect (rayn) was on Oats fairly early on. However: Given that Oats never actually provided anything for us in terms of reads afterwards and posted crap about being green and telling people to push others. If he has nothing to say either: a) He's playing as the bad townie b) He's withholding that info from us to stop us from gaining more than we need from the lynch. Either case is bad for town, so that's why I'm willing to go down on Oats. ##Unvote ##Vote Oats Being bad =/= scum. Again, no reasoning why Oats is mafia. + Show Spoiler + On April 27 2013 10:05 Sylencia wrote: Clarity hasn't been here for 72 hours now .. in which case I'd much rather go for the kill on Shiao today. I won't be around for much today (though I guess you could argue I haven't been around too much), since I'm going to be at a LAN tournament, but I'll try sneak a peek at the topic whenever I can. ##Vote ShiaoPi Earlier on Sylencia says he is uneasy with voting for ShiaoPi because his scumread VE started the wagon. However he did not vote for VE earlier and never questioned him about anything. Is that how you treat your scumread? Also no mention why ShiaoPi is mafia. - Sylencia never tells why he thinks people he votes for are mafia. His votes on me/Oats were "because they are bad", and his vote on ShiaoPi is fishy. - Sylencia never questions his scumreads. He does nothing to figure out if i am scum on D1, he does nothing to figure out if Oats is scum on D1. Just votes based on "bad play". - Come D2, Sylencia doesn't seem to think i am scum any more. I question him about this, and he answers "you are still suspicious". But what does his next post say? That grush, ShiaoPi and VE are his suspects. How does that make sense? - Sylencia says this about ShiaoPi: In either case, I haven't been looking at filters like I had hoped, I've now read ShiaoPi's filter and from the points: - Considers TRN, myself and rayn to be potential scum - Hammers Oatsmaster I have to wonder why he decided to do so considering 2/3 of this suspected scum were on that wagon. In addition, the reasoning of: given that there's no deadline so a change in votes was still entirely possible makes this so wrong. As for my current vote, I'm really wanting to go with Shiao but given VE is the one who has started the wagon I don't even know if that's the right move given I still don't see him being townie in my eyes. I'm going to hold onto the vote for now, but as of right now my read on who is scum are: VE, Shiao, grush (you guys are dumb with starsenses). - This is plain out lie. ShiaoPi has never called me or TRN mafia. If you don't believe me, look at his filter. Sylencia claims he has read ShiaoPi's filter and still lies about this. - Other than that Sylencia's filter is full of useless lists and self-defence. There is nothing that comes even close to scumhunting. Sylencia is mafia WaveOfShadow: Votes Oats for: Anyway to sum it up, I'm more sure of an Oats lynch than yamato; a lot of conflicted things going on with him that I just can't be sure of. No reasoning why Oats is scum. On April 24 2013 10:48 WaveofShadow wrote: I have something small I'd like to write up for ShiaoPi but I was waiting for Daypost. I think BC is more likely to be scum than Clarity. Because I feel like specifically asking Sharrant those questions. I can ask whoever I want, whatever I want. No reasoning for any of this. I don't also understand why he wants to question his supertown read Sharrant rather than scumreads? He gives no explanation to it. Promises to write something about ShiaoPi, but never delivers. I don't see much in his filter that counts as scumhunting, hell it's fucking hard to even tell who this guy thinks is scum. There are couple of things that speak in favor of WoS however. - He called Clarity's case bad, and listed Clarity/Shiaopi/VE as suspects for D2.I don't know if this counts as town-tell, as later on he defends Clarity based on "bad townie"-card and doesn't really want to vote for VE because he wants to hear more from him. Not sure of this, but good shot either way Hopeless: I don't understand why he voted for Oats. The only thing he has done on D2 was trying to discredit Sharrant by asking why he changed his read on me. Does not mention VE/ShiaoPi/Clarity at all (besides a soft-defence on Clarity), here: Clarity's spiel about 'easy outs' doesnt look that stupid to me considering how Sharrant's read on rayn went into the abyss with no comment at all. He just dropped his read with no explanation that I can find. What gives? Then he says he is willing to hammer ShiaoPi with no reasoning given and no motivation to find out more about ShiaoPi/Clarity. Not sure of this, but good shot either way Why Palmar is third faction: I think Palmar is right about VE. He can't however push VE lynch hard, because if he did, and VE flipped scum, he would get shot. Why i think Palmar is not mafia is this. He said VE was his #1 lynch candidate in D2. He also said ShiaoPi is town, and Clarity is scum. If Palmar was mafia he would either not say ShiaoPi is town, or he would be pushing VE hard over Clarity. He did neither. If he was town however, he would have done at least something other than just call VE scum whole D2 and troll throughout the game. I don't see him being town either. | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
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