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raynpelikoneet
Finland43269 Posts
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On March 25 2013 03:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: For one, I was also under the impression night phase talking might be frowned upon. But also, I didn't really see the need to say anything. I was only responding to your post to say I disagreed w/ you about how not giving him a free pass was a good reason to vote for him.If you were online, why didn't you say anything after the flip? Why did you wait until now to come up with this? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43269 Posts
Barring some very rare situations, selfvoting is like playing against your victory condition, whatever alignmnet you are. Unless you want to take a risk that people won't actually lynch you because "you're sorry" or "i'll make this up later" or whatever bullshit. There is no reason why Krafla shouldn't have voted a person he thinks is mafia, whatever he bases his vote on (fuck, even randomly voting for someone is better than a selfvote). He can't possibly think he himself is mafia if he is town. There is no excuse to let him live for what he did. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43269 Posts
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On March 25 2013 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: As I said already, I didn't vote for him because I thought Frogorn was more likely to be scum. I can't tell you exactly what I'm willing to do @ the end of day 2. If Krafla doesn't contribute again than he's certainly someone I'm gonna suspect. But if I have a better scum read on someone, than that's where my vote is going.If Krafla does not contribute on D2, are you willing to lynch him in the end of D2? If yes, then why didn't you want to lynch him in the end of D1? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43269 Posts
That's what is the problem this game. People are afraid to vote for actually scummy actions and in general afraid to make decisions (we had two people not voting at all). There is no way we are going to find scum if everyone is afraid of giving their opinion about things. I get you about keeping your vote on Frorgon. But how can Krafla say anything more scummy than anyone if people are okay with him saying nothing in the first place? That's the scummiest thing there is. Not saying anything at all. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On March 25 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: In a manner of speaking. But if he continues to lurk how he has been (especially w/ all the FoSing that I'm sure will be headed his way come daytime) then I doubt anyone else will appear as scummy to me. But you never know, someone could make a real bad slip up.So you are basically giving someone an option to hardcore lurk if you just find someone more scummy? | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43269 Posts
On March 25 2013 04:36 TheRavensName wrote: I really wish I could read more into his self vote. I would have thought Mfia would jump on it if hes townie but I guess if they knew we were getting a townie anyways... maybe they didn't wanna risk suspicion. There was no reason for mafia to jump on Krafla if he is town. Mafia does not want unnecessary attention. They would be getting a townie lynched anyways. Unless me and you are both mafia and feared someone might throw a third vote on you. Which is really stupid to start with. There was obviously no reason for mafia to jump on Krafla if he was mafia. I think this does not need better explanation? It tells nothing about other people. It only tells that Krafla was unwilling to take a stance on this D1 lynch. | ||
Corazon
United States3230 Posts
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Krafla
United Kingdom104 Posts
Last night, genuinely I was in bed just about to fall asleep when I remembered that I hadn't voted and the day was about to end, I panicked, grabbed my phone and thought who should I vote for. I thought a vote for myself was the most transparent and truthful vote. I hadn't read any of the day, or any of the arguments, I didn't know who was up for being lynched (for all I knew it could've been me) so I thought rather than pick someone out of the hat or just jump on the person with the most votes and get called out for 'sheeping', a vote on myself said, 'Look, I'm telling the truth'. For the 30 seconds it took me to log on and tap out my message I honestly thought voting for myself was the best thing to do for the town. In retrospect now I can see how it looks scummy, but at the same time if I'd voted for anyone else (especially considering how spread out the votes were last night) I think I would've looked even summier. I'm going to go and properly read through what happened in Day 1 now and let you know who I wouldn't voted for, trying not to take into consideration what happened at the end of the day. Once again, sorry. We're all newbies here though right? At least I'll know not to make that mistake again | ||
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Krafla
United Kingdom104 Posts
..let you know who I would've voted for.. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43269 Posts
Just tell us who do you think is mafia and why. | ||
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Krafla
United Kingdom104 Posts
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Krafla
United Kingdom104 Posts
Now looking back over the entire thread, where let's be honest not much happened and there was never a consensus on anyone, I can see why the Day 1 lynch went down like it did. However in all of the posts virtu sticks out for me the most. I think Rainbows makes a few good points on virtu, especially when virtu out and out suggests that Rainbows is a Godfather, that's never going to be a clever move no matter which side you're on, surely? I think virtu realises the mistake he has made though by backpeddaling pretty quickly: On March 23 2013 02:50 virtu wrote: If you take the GF thing seriously, you're stupid. I'm clearly responding to your utterly ridiculous attempt at calling me scum with an equally ridiculous response. Simple as that. It may well be a ridiculous response, but it's not even on the same level, speculating roles that early in the game. I think the thing that irks me the most about virtu calling Rainbows a godfather is that fact that he doesn't vote for him. If you think he's the Godfather and you're town, well done, you've found the Godfather, push for him to get lynched that, GG. If you're not serious, dn't mention it, it's only going to make you look like a bad townie, or a mafia trying to cover themselves. Virtu keeps posting and saying he doesn't have anything to add yet because nothing has happened, yet then he doesn't vote for anyone. He's waiting and waiting to not vote, and he doesn't come back and vote. Granted I almost didn't vote, but I hadn't posted at all during the day. If I'd made a few reads on people during the first 48 hours and I'd made a few comments and I knew I wasn't necessarily going to be back for the evening, I'd through a vote out there on who I thought was the scummiest at that time. Holding your vote back so late that you don't actually use it seems to me like you're scared that your vote will reveal too much about yourself. I think the other thing that screams virtu as being suspicious right now is that after Rainbows comes after him he doesn't attempt to defend himself. Is he preffering to not vote as opposed to vote and prove he's around and therefore have to defend himself? I guess it's a calculated risk choosing to not vote and break the rules over implicating yourself further if you're mafia. If it wasn't the night right now, I'd be firmly stamping my vote down for virtu right now. | ||
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Krafla
United Kingdom104 Posts
Also look at the double 'right now' in that last sentence. You know you've been watching too much StraCraft when, heh. | ||
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Krafla
United Kingdom104 Posts
Dear Jesus put me down now. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43269 Posts
I feel a bit better about Krafla after his post. I still don't like Raven for the reasons i stated on D1. And for our exchange on N1. I don't like Fishgle. His only contribution to the game is this post: + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2013 05:29 Fishgle wrote: Rayn, can you clarify what you mean by "raven [could be wrong] for the wrong reasons"? To me, it seems like all he's done is defend himself, and that to me isn't scummy. yea, I haven't been following my own advice. Woops. as for virtu, I really don't think there's any reason to vote for him. He has some vapid posts and then some angry defensive ones. Again, defending yourself doesn't make you guilty. Rainbow is tunneling too hard on virtu, and basically refuses to look at other options. I find that really odd. Virtu made 1 defensive post, in which he got clearly angry. And somehow it's gotten 2 votes on virtu, by himself and Frogron, who I think is also suspicious. Furthermore, he has strange bouts of language. "what does though thinkest of me?" ""Ahh! Yes! This fine TLer right here, he is advocating pro-town things!" "IF THIS IS YOUR PHILOSOPHY ON PLAYING TOWN, PLEASE LEAVE SIR" etc. Either he's normally that theatric, or it bubbles up whenever he bullshits. I think it's the latter. But the most suspicious to me is still rayn. He's been such a flurry of fingers that no one is looking at him (apart from Raven, I guess). Every time he has gotten called out, he carefully points a finger in a different direction. So, I still have my eye on you, rayn. But anyway. ##Vote:Rainbows What does it say: - I am suspicious because i question many people (lol) - Rainbows is suspicious because he want's virtu lynched and "is tunneling him" First of all, this is a contradiction. If it's scummy to question many people, how is it scummy to focus just on one person then? What should it be then? Like two people? or three? What the hell? Also this: You can't get more than one scum lynched per day. Why try to make multiple cases? If one of them is town, scum agree on it and you can't call them out after lynch because you fucking made the case. The most hilarious part is that he thinks i am the scummiest guy but he votes for Rainbows. I really wish everyone would contribute more on D2 because noone is really giving me strong town vibe. JarJar i had as almost certainly town before, but i didn't like his N1 posts. I also need to reread virtu's posts and the cases against him from D1, because it seems like a lot of people are suspicious of him. Rainbows and nobodywonder fall on slightly town category, both of them made at least some sense and had actual opinions that seemed like coming from a townie. Rainbows also made the case on virtu and it made sense when he summed it up. I think that cases are more likely to come from townies than from mafia @ D1. If i die i would really like you to re read my case on Raven. Also do not let Fishgle get away with that kinda shit he posted. And make people contribute. I felt like D1 was really inactive for most of the people. N1 was even worse. | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
Fishgle There's this vote on me that I can't get my head around: On March 24 2013 05:29 Fishgle wrote: Rayn, can you clarify what you mean by "raven [could be wrong] for the wrong reasons"? To me, it seems like all he's done is defend himself, and that to me isn't scummy. yea, I haven't been following my own advice. Woops. as for virtu, I really don't think there's any reason to vote for him. He has some vapid posts and then some angry defensive ones. Again, defending yourself doesn't make you guilty. 1.) Rainbow is tunneling too hard on virtu, and basically refuses to look at other options. I find that really odd. Virtu made 1 defensive post, in which he got clearly angry. And somehow it's gotten 2 votes on virtu, by himself and Frogron, who I think is also suspicious.2.)Furthermore, he has strange bouts of language. "what does though thinkest of me?" ""Ahh! Yes! This fine TLer right here, he is advocating pro-town things!" "IF THIS IS YOUR PHILOSOPHY ON PLAYING TOWN, PLEASE LEAVE SIR" etc. Either he's normally that theatric, or it bubbles up whenever he bullshits. I think it's the latter. 3.)But the most suspicious to me is still rayn. He's been such a flurry of fingers that no one is looking at him (apart from Raven, I guess). Every time he has gotten called out, he carefully points a finger in a different direction. So, I still have my eye on you, rayn. But anyway. ##Vote:Rainbows 1.) This is a weird piece of evidence to use against me. Of all the people in this thread, barring Ray, I believe I was the person who was most all over the place. It's interesting that he uses this logic, especially when half the thread (including himself) have yet to take a stance. I don't see how this is adequate to justify a vote on me. 2.) VERILY GOOD SIR, THOU DOTH REALIZE NOT THE EFFECTIVENESS OF SUCH LANGUAGE! Makes me scum, obviously yo. What kind of reason is that, haha/ 3.) Ray is still the most suspicious but you're voting me? GTFO my game, son. I rather enjoy this vote on me, because it's allowed me to garner some information about Fishgle. The vote and it's reasoning do not make a lot of sense from a town perspective. Other than that, he hasn't done anything this game. Lynching him tomorrow is a good choice. Virtu Where has he Been? I've already outlined my case against him. He has yet to contribute anything meaningfuL to the thread and refuses to scumhunt in this game. I really want y'all to lynch this dude tomOrrow, for my scum sensors are going off the Charts on him. I refer all to my original case, and if I live I'll maKe another case seeing how he plays out D2. He didn't vote on D1 which makes me super wary. (is this even allowed?) Krafla DO NOT INSTANTLY LYNCH HIM TOMORROW! Yeah, what he's done was stupid/scummy/retarded what have you, but let him speak. Get answers. He's said he has wanted to be more active in this game -- so let him. There are reasons for town doing that -- like having important IRL shit to do. If we lynch him tomorrow and he flips town, we'll be in the worst position ever tomorrow. A few notes for the day tomorrow: - BE ACTIVE! Day 1 was not sufficient enough. The lynch was terrible --- we need information, and lots of it. If you're town, question everyone and be transparent about your suggested lynch target. - A few people need to really step up their game; TRN, NW included in this list especially. Do the above and prove to the thread your true alignment. - Ray, calm down. You seem a little confirmation biased in certain spots. I like your aggression, and you're driving discussion, however. - Keep an eye on NW and JJD. They are the people I have the least concrete read on right now. Just because someone voted for Frogron doesn't make them scum. NW didn't vote as well, and that concerns me as it does virtu. Apologies for the textiness, there ain't much to quote =\ | ||
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