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ghost_403, cDgCorazon will be cohosting this game. Questions can be directed towards any of us.
Promethelax is the Town coach.
Blazinghand is the Scum coach
Newbie Mini Mafia XXXIX
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The Players
- Krafla
- TheRavensName
- JarJarDrinks
- Rainbows
- nobodywonder
- Frogron
- Fishgle
- raynpelikoneet
- virtu
Replacements:
Introduction:
Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia.
The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play.
Rules:
Cheating:
Cheating includes (but is not limited to):
- Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information.
- Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town or literally claim scum.
- Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role.
- Posting screenshots of anything.
- Posting any PM you received in connection to this game.
- Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip.
- Signing up more than once using smurf accounts.
- Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits.
- Sharing accounts with other players unless cleared by the host in advance. Otherwise, only you may post on your account.
Posting:
Activity:
You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be warned or modkilled at host's discretion.
Mod Font:
This is mod font. It is reserved for moderators. Please do not use it.
Question Font:
This is question font. Use it to ask the moderators questions about the rules. If you don't want to ask your question in the thread then feel free to PM host/cohost and then you don't have to use this font. If you ask about something that's already in the thread then expect snide remarks to accompany your answer.
Editing:
Editing is not allowed for any reason ever. Editing will result in a warning or a modkill at host's discretion. This is the one part of the site where it is okay to be double posting, even triple-posting. While I ask for everybody to post as concisely as possible, post again if you really have to edit anything.
Spam:
Spam is not tolerated, nor is any off-topic material. Do not discuss Proleague here. Do not talk about Starcraft II here. Play Mafia here. This also means you should condense your posts when possible. 15 one-liners in 30 minutes is unacceptable.
Inappropriate posts:
If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM a host, Flamewheel, or Mig before involving the TL staff. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can appeal to the TL staff normally.
I'm going to warn you if you're being excessively unpleasant towards other players. If you disregard my warning then I'm going to modkill you. This is not DotA2.
Reporting posts:
The report button is a nice feature for regular TL, but not for this forum. We prefer to deal with things in house if possible to avoid confusion among the TL staff. If you have a problem with how someone is posting, talk to the host, cohost, flamewheel, or Mig before using your report button. Please do not use your report button for anything other than inappropriate posts which you feel are not being dealt with adequately.
Ban discussions:
Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game. Do NOT ask for modkills or discuss modkills during the game
Smurfs:
No smurfs. I will not accept smurfs under any circumstances.
Play to win.
This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing.
This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without a ban. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM your host if you need to leave the game.
You have been warned.
Out of thread communication:
It is common for mafia to use a medium outside of TL such as QuickTopics or IRC or Skype to communicate during the game. Please be mindful that other players may be more tech savvy than you and they may attempt impersonate members of your team or attempt to infiltrate your chat. You use these media at your own risk.
Voting rules:
- Voting is done in this thread. You cannot PM me your vote.
- Please vote in the following format: ##Vote: Qatol. Votes not done in the correct fashion may not be counted. Vote counts will be updated whenever intermittently.
- No conditional voting.
- You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game.
- In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins (or loses).
- You may vote for a No Lynch in the format: ##Vote: No Lynch
- Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
Signups:
This game is open to players with 3 or fewer games on this forum. Signups will remain open until the game is full. I might let you join if you have more than three games but they were played a very long time ago. Type /in to play.
Game-specific rules:
Modkills:
This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment. If you want to use this game to sit out your ban, please PM flamewheel or post in the Ban List.
Replacements
This game uses replacements. If a player is modkilled then they will be replaced by a player on the replacement list if possible.
Clues:
There are no clues anywhere.
PMs
PMs are not allowed in this game.
Time Cycle:
01:00 GMT (+00:00) is the cycle start and end time
This game will follow a 48 hour day/24 hour night cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark (that is any votes after 01:00 GMT (+00:00)) will not count. Currently the deadline is 01:00 GMT (+00:00), but that may be subject to change. During the night, there will be a 1 hour resolution period during which actions will not be accepted. You may post during this time. In other words, the deadline for night actions is 00:00 GMT (+00:00). Do not post after 01:00 GMT (+00:00) for day and night cycles before the day/night post goes up).
Credits:
Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer.
Thanks to everyone who helped balance this game.
Thanks to cohost.
Thanks to coaches.
Thanks to players.
If you have not read all the rules, go back and do so. I will not compensate for ignorance!
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Setup
The setup is a semi-open setup for 9 players; that is, all the possible roles are given but the number of each is not known. Not all of the roles will necessarily be present. The game is inherently balanced for both sides depending on the types and numbers of roles that appear. The mafia win when they outnumber the town or they reach a scenario when this becomes inevitable. Town wins by eliminating all mafia members. Mafia kill power is always 1.
Possible Roles
Dumbledore’s Army Member (Vanilla Town)
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Welcome to Dumbledore’s Army! You were one of the people smart enough to go down to Hogsmeade and take a stand in the fight against the Slytherins! However, you are not very good at Defense Against the Dark Arts due to the constant shift in teaching style, so you basically only know how to vote. You win (and continue your Defense Against the Dark Arts training) with Dumbledore’s Army. Do not discuss ongoing games outside of the thread or you will be modkilled.
Ron Weasley (Cop)
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You are Ron Weasley! Your connection to your mischievous brothers Fred and George has allowed you to get an unlimited supply of Extendable Ears! Once per night, you may eavesdrop on another student by pming the hosts with ##Eavesdrop: Player. You will get a pm back telling you whether your target is in Dumbledore’s Army or a Slytherin! You win with Dumbledore’s Army. Do not discuss ongoing games outside of the thread or you will be modkilled.
Hermione Granger (Doctor)
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You are Hermione Granger, smartest witch in your year and the brainchild behind the magic of Dumbledore’s army! Once per night, you may cast Protego on another player by pming the hosts with ##Protego: Player. That player will be protected from 1 KP. You cannot protect the same player on consecutive nights. You win with Dumbledore’s Army. Do not discuss ongoing games outside of the thread or you will be modkilled.
Neville Longbottom (Town Roleblocker)
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You are Neville Longbottom! You are very clumsy and still forget everything that you need to do, and you aren’t very good looking yet. However, you can cast Expelliarmus pretty well. Once per night, you may roleblock a player by pming the hosts with ##Expelliarmus: Player. They will be disarmed and unable to perform anything at all while they go searching for their wands, including Night Killing if they are the Slytherin making the hit. Did I mention that you are damn good at Expelliarmus? You win with Dumbledore’s Army. Do not discuss ongoing games outside of the thread or you will be modkilled.
Gregory Goyle (Mafia Goon)
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You are Gregory Goyle! You’re not very good at magic, so you have no special powers. You can still carry out the night kill, however. Your fellow Slytherins are [players]. Your Common Room QT can be accessed at: link. However, you may use any method of communication, such as Muggle smoke signals or some other silly shenanigans. You win when you outnumber the town or when you reach a scenario where this becomes inevitable. Do not discuss ongoing games outside of the thread or you will be modkilled.
Vincent Crabbe (Mafia Roleblocker)
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You are Vincent Crabbe! You’re slightly better than Goyle at magic, so you get to be the one to cast expelliarmus. While it isn’t a real curse, you know your place in the order and do it anyways. Once per night, you may roleblock a player by pming the hosts with ##Expelliarmus: Player. They will be disarmed and unable to perform anything at all while they go searching for their wands. Your fellow Slytherins are [players]. Your Common Room QT can be accessed at: link. However, you may use any method of communication, such as Muggle smoke signals or some other silly shenanigans. You win when you outnumber the town or when you reach a scenario where this becomes inevitable. Do not discuss ongoing games outside of the thread or you will be modkilled.
Draco Malfoy (Mafia Godfather)
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You are Draco Malfoy! You are the leader of the Slytherins, and the main man behind their operations. You are smart enough to meet in the depths of the Slytherin Dungeons, so Extendable Ears cannot reach you. You return Dumbledore’s Army to all checks. Your fellow Slytherins are [players]. Your Common Room QT can be accessed at: link. However, you may use any method of communication, such as Muggle smoke signals or some other silly shenanigans. You win when you outnumber the town or when you reach a scenario where this becomes inevitable. Do not discuss ongoing games outside of the thread or you will be modkilled.
Q&A
- Scum KP is fixed at 1.
- All players, regardless of role, are notified of roleblocks.
- Neither Docs nor their targets are notified of saved hits.
- Scum chooses 1 member to carry out the night hit. In the event that there is a scum roleblocker, he may carry out the night kill and roleblock someone in the same night, should he so choose. If the mafia member carrying out the night kill is roleblocked, no kill will take place.
- Passive abilities are NOT roleblockable (GF Check Immunity).
- Action Resolution: RB > Everything else. That means it is utterly impossible to prevent a real Roleblock from happening. If B roleblocks C, and C roleblocks B, both B and C will be roleblocked because both roleblocks "go out" at the same time.
If you have any other questions, you may PM me, or ask in the thread with bold green text.
Shoutout to everyone responsible for balancing stuff and Acro+Toadsstern who's OP I basically stole
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Blazinghand
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/coach and/or newbie smurf
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On March 12 2013 06:12 DrParnassus wrote:
er... /in?
No.
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OoO blazing hand I wanna suckle all that scum xp puh-lease
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On March 13 2013 05:34 JarJarDrinks wrote:
/in
o.O
OP says no smurfs >_>
On March 12 2013 01:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
Smurfs:
No smurfs. I will not accept smurfs under any circumstances.
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On March 13 2013 05:37 Sn0_Man wrote:o.O OP says no smurfs >_> As soon as I look that up, I'll tell you if I'm one. 
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K, from what I can tell, a smurf is an alt account. I can assure you, I just opened my first account a few minutes ago. I've only ever lurked.
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On March 13 2013 05:47 JarJarDrinks wrote:
K, from what I can tell, a smurf is an alt account. I can assure you, I just opened my first account a few minutes ago. I've only ever lurked.
Ah, welcome to TL.
Enjoy Mafia here
You are correct, a smurf is an account used to hide one's real identity (generally to prevent Metagame reads on a player or to get into games you would otherwise not be able to join). Metagame reads would basically be: "Everytime Oats rolled in the past scum he didn't post much, so now that Oats is posting a lot this game I think he is town" or similar opinions based on past games the player has participated in.
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/in
I want to kill Rainbows this game... very badly.
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Too busy finding all the scum, yo.
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/in?
Lol jk I know I'm too experienced for a newbie game now so I sad; I really liked playing with the NMM 38 players.
Hurry up and graduate to main games guys!!
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On March 16 2013 14:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
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/in?
Lol jk I know I'm too experienced for a newbie game now so I sad; I really liked playing with the NMM 38 players.
Hurry up and graduate to main games guys!!
Wha...what? Now I'm sad. Now I have to hope geript signs up so I can shoot him.
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I feel like every single role description is a jab at Mocsta:
"Do not discuss about ongoing games outside of the thread"
LOL
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On March 16 2013 15:24 cDgCorazon wrote:
I feel like every single role description is a jab at Mocsta:
"Do not discuss about ongoing games outside of the thread"
LOL
I cant hold that against you. You were the co-host after all (i think?)
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/in
Time to dodge lynches on D1, and bitterly hate on my voters
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On March 16 2013 17:37 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 15:24 cDgCorazon wrote:
I feel like every single role description is a jab at Mocsta:
"Do not discuss about ongoing games outside of the thread"
LOL I cant hold that against you. You were the co-host after all (i think?)
In 34? I was killed N1.
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I see a lot of the same people from the last game, and it would be fun to play with y'all again.
/in
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^ woo ~ that would be awesome a rematch. now we will have a metagame now...hohoho time to meta the hell out of you guys... hehehe
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I'm so sad I really want to be on this, but I'll /obs instead
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bump dudes.
Come on sign up
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/in
Going to try and be a little more active this time!
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I'm not sure my "/in" can stand.
I've played 3 NMMs plus subbed in to a 4th. Which would make me ineligible for this one, no?
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On March 18 2013 23:16 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm not sure my "/in" can stand.
I've played 3 NMMs plus subbed in to a 4th. Which would make me ineligible for this one, no?
Sadly yes, have fun out there in the wild, on your own
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On March 18 2013 23:24 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 23:16 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm not sure my "/in" can stand.
I've played 3 NMMs plus subbed in to a 4th. Which would make me ineligible for this one, no? Sadly yes, have fun out there in the wild, on your own
I doubt we are going to have another NMM 37 situation =P
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H8rs
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On March 18 2013 23:16 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm not sure my "/in" can stand.
I've played 3 NMMs plus subbed in to a 4th. Which would make me ineligible for this one, no?
bwahahaha, come into my lair little newbie.
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/in
as the rest of my ban got cancelled.
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Harry Potter flavor incing, newbs <3
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/in
so much time spent on TL.... and yet not a single game of Mafia so far
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On March 19 2013 11:11 cDgCorazon wrote:
Harry Potter flavor incing, newbs <3
Yick.
I wanna host a Mafia game just so I can pick fun flavor.... probably too newbie for that though lol.
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On March 19 2013 15:03 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 11:11 cDgCorazon wrote:
Harry Potter flavor incing, newbs <3 Yick. I wanna host a Mafia game just so I can pick fun flavor.... probably too newbie for that though lol.
Too bad. I have a few I want to save for my own games in the future.
Don't complain about flavor =P.
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LETS GET THIS SHOW ON THE ROAD!!!!
ONE MORE GOGOGOGOGO
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That last spot does look inviting, but I won't have enough time to play before next week, so I'll
/replacement
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
On March 19 2013 15:03 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 11:11 cDgCorazon wrote:
Harry Potter flavor incing, newbs <3 Yick. I wanna host a Mafia game just so I can pick fun flavor.... probably too newbie for that though lol.
if you prod someone like me, you can co-host a game with me and you can do the flavour.
Of course I am taking Newbie XL solely so I can make fat jokes.
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On March 19 2013 23:02 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 15:03 TheRavensName wrote:On March 19 2013 11:11 cDgCorazon wrote:
Harry Potter flavor incing, newbs <3 Yick. I wanna host a Mafia game just so I can pick fun flavor.... probably too newbie for that though lol. if you prod someone like me, you can co-host a game with me and you can do the flavour. Of course I am taking Newbie XL solely so I can make fat jokes.
Lawl, fair enough.
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I'm so cool I didn't even have to ask.
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On March 19 2013 23:02 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 15:03 TheRavensName wrote:On March 19 2013 11:11 cDgCorazon wrote:
Harry Potter flavor incing, newbs <3 Yick. I wanna host a Mafia game just so I can pick fun flavor.... probably too newbie for that though lol. if you prod someone like me, you can co-host a game with me and you can do the flavour. Of course I am taking Newbie XL solely so I can make fat jokes.
Can I co-host since I was the one to suggest fat jokes?
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
you can co-host for any reason you want :p
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Because I'm just so damn cute!
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
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/obs
Although it's getting harder to resist actually playing one again haha.
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Join in guys =) 1 more to get this show on the road!
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On March 20 2013 09:17 Promethelax wrote:
/in
Hmm..never heard of you before...you must be new.
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I am so new. I would like to play mafia because I have never played before. It looks like a fun game. How do you play mafia? Can you be my coach?
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If you get mafia, you should claim it D1 and wait for a townie to come in and defend you. Then use that momentum to create chaos and then roleclaim at the worst possible time.
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This game needs more rainbows.
*imaginaaaaaaaaaaaaaaation*
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On March 20 2013 09:17 Promethelax wrote:
/in
no....
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/in pl0x
I can in as moology if needed.. only played 1 game on that account
& i acn pinky swear its omni
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Can you stop with the fake /in's?
There might be some new player who thinks the game is already full because they don't know you.
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Signups still open, 1 more left
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On March 20 2013 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you stop with the fake /in's?
There might be some new player who thinks the game is already full because they don't know you.
Are you not sitting out anymore?
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No i am not, because i don't have to. I'm playing instead.
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
The fake /ins are pretty obnoxious tbh
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Come on one more!
we have emma watson, guys, harry potter flavor
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On March 21 2013 14:03 nobodywonder wrote:
Come on one more!
we have emma watson, guys, harry potter flavor
If I post only Emma Watson pictures as flavor, will that be ok with you all?
Just kidding I have a whole story made up about how I want the flavor to go. It will be epic.
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^ Yes, it should just be an Emma Watson flavor, not a Harry Potter flavor...oh you already have a story, you ruined my dreams lol.
Btw, when someone roleclaims Emma Watson, mafia plz dont kill her. You have sinned and people will get you in RL. kekeke
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On March 21 2013 14:28 nobodywonder wrote:
^ Yes, it should just be an Emma Watson flavor, not a Harry Potter flavor...oh you already have a story, you ruined my dreams lol.
Btw, when someone roleclaims Emma Watson, mafia plz dont kill her. You have sinned and people will get you in RL. kekeke
It will pain me to kill off Hermione. I hope they survive to the end of the game. I'm also a huge HP fan (used to be a bigger one) and I've read the series at least 10 times. It's so awesome.
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/in
fuck it, never have enough time to play mafia but now is as good as any. Plus flavour made me want in.
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Pending delays, the game will start in roughly 18 hours
Friday, Mar 22 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
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Notice: Day 1 I most likely will not have a ton of time to play ( spring break begins soon however). This is before role pms go out so its confirmed not alignment indicative :p. I'll be posting as much as possible going into the 22/23rd but no guarentees with my availibility during the d1 timeframe.
Love you all.
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On March 21 2013 21:20 Rainbows wrote:
Notice: Day 1 I most likely will not have a ton of time to play ( spring break begins soon however). This is before role pms go out so its confirmed not alignment indicative :p. I'll be posting as much as possible going into the 22/23rd but no guarentees with my availibility during the d1 timeframe.
Love you all.
This time when I tunnel your day 1 suspicious play.. you will die. Yay!
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I really look forward to obsing this game. When you guys die, make sure you join us in the QT this time!
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On March 22 2013 00:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
I really look forward to obsing this game. When you guys die, make sure you join us in the QT this time!
that's if we die, mate.
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On March 22 2013 00:17 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 21:20 Rainbows wrote:
Notice: Day 1 I most likely will not have a ton of time to play ( spring break begins soon however). This is before role pms go out so its confirmed not alignment indicative :p. I'll be posting as much as possible going into the 22/23rd but no guarentees with my availibility during the d1 timeframe.
Love you all. This time when I tunnel your day 1 suspicious play.. you will die. Yay!
Raven mad, wants to lynch me all the days.
Watch we roll scum together. Let's double bus, you down?
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On March 22 2013 00:17 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 21:20 Rainbows wrote:
Notice: Day 1 I most likely will not have a ton of time to play ( spring break begins soon however). This is before role pms go out so its confirmed not alignment indicative :p. I'll be posting as much as possible going into the 22/23rd but no guarentees with my availibility during the d1 timeframe.
Love you all. This time when I tunnel your day 1 suspicious play.. you will die. Yay!
I heard people like to switch their lynch candidate from tunneled people to someone totally random in the last 30 minutes of every day, in the last 10 games played on TL.
No rly
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Its traditional to lynch the host Day 1
No rly
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You dudes ready? Role PMs going out now, no posting until the game starts in half an hour
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Day 1![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/raGVUNI.jpg)
Jimmy, a first-year student at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry was one of the last stragglers from the Sorting Ceremony, recently being sorted into Gryffindor and celebrating by stuffing his face full of pumpkin pie and treacle tart. He was still amazed by the magic and hallowed grounds, and was taking his time strolling around and observing all the spectacular sights inside of Hogwarts. All of a sudden, he heard a noise coming from a suit of armor.
“The armor talks?” Jimmy wondered.
Then, someone came out from behind the suit of armor, quickly covering Jimmy’s mouth with his face. It was Corazón, a sixth-year student who had seen everything in his time at Hogwarts.
He whispered to Jimmy, “It’s not safe here, let’s find a hiding place and I will explain everything”.
They quickly made their way to an empty transfiguration classroom. Corazón double checked to make sure they weren’t being followed and quietly shut the door.
He asked Jimmy, “What’s your name?”
“James Collins, but you can call me Jimmy. I’m a first-year. Who are you?” he responded, offering his hand.
“My name is Corazón, at least that’s what everyone calls me. I’m a sixth-year, and a fellow Gryffindor.” Corazón replied, shaking Jimmy’s hand. “It’s not safe to be wearing the crest on your uniform, and it’s REALLY not safe to be wandering around the corridors alone. Ever since Gryffindor beat Slytherin by 5 points in the House Cup five years ago, Hogwarts has been in a state of open warfare. People are getting jinxed and hexed by the dozens every week. St. Mungo’s had to add a whole new floor for all of the new patients.”
“Why can’t the teachers just deal with it?” Jimmy asked.
“It’s not that simple. Hogwarts is a big school, if you haven’t noticed. The teachers can’t patrol everywhere and teach at the same time. It’s just impossible. The only way to get protection from the Slytherins is to join Dumbledore’s Army.”
“Well that’s simple enough, how do I join?”
“I will explain in all due time, but right now we need to get back to the Common Room. It’s almost curfew. Let’s get out of here.” Corazón motioned towards the door. “Don’t worry, I’ll keep you safe”.
As soon as they walked out, they were approached by two big, bulky students, wands already drawn. Corazón drew his wand quickly and was ready to fight. The two students, Oatsmaster and Ghost_403 raised their wands, Oats saying, “Aww Corazón, isn’t that sweet. Are you running a daycare now? It doesn’t matter, we outnumber you!”
Right when they said that, Jimmy noticed Corazón mouthing something with his wand. He beckoned for himself and Jimmy to take two steps to the right, and a few seconds later, all of the quills in the school slammed into Oats and Ghost from behind, the force driving them all the way to the wall in front of them. Corazón motioned to Jimmy, and said over his shoulder,
“I guess the pen is mightier than the sword, and the wand!”
Oatsmaster and Ghost_403 have been attacked by flying quills and have been taken to St. Mungo’s to recover!
Hogwarts is in a state of open warfare!
It is now Day 1. You have 48 hours to make a lynch decision. The deadline will be on Sunday at 01:00 GMT (+00:00) To vote, type ##Vote: Player in the thread. Any votes not in this style will not be counted. You are required to vote.
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
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I'll have aa death sentence on all lurkers! Beware!
Hi all!
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Important Note to all American players:
The deadline is Saturday at 01:00 GMT (+00:00) for American players, and it is Sunday for the Europeans and the Australians. Oats just doesn't like making adjustments for other players =P
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Hey everyone.
Good to be back playing with you, and good to see some new faces too. Surprised to see such a lurkfest so far.
Now prove to me you aren't dabbling in the dark arts!
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Show yourselves! Only villains lurk in the shadows.
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Hello guys... I'm going to use my opening post to say One thing and one thing only:
I haven't read any of the books after Chamber of Secrets or Watched a movie sense Goblet of fire. Am I going to have to wikipedia Dumbledores Army to get most the flavor text?
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wooooooooo ~ exciting game so far
##Vote: geript
I want a nutter butter.
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On March 22 2013 12:35 nobodywonder wrote:wooooooooo ~ exciting game so far ##Vote: geriptI want a nutter butter.
##Vote: Geript
I'm eating one right now... and I am making up for all the times I didn't get to do this last game.
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^ lehsgoo on the nutter butter of justice
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Guys staph lurking don't be a Hufflepuff. LOL...
BTW TheRavensName are you a Ravenclaw, you should a witty one
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Hey all, Don't worry I wont lurk @ all once the game starts rolling. Being how I've never played against any of y'all I have nothing to base any read off so I probably wont throw down a vote untill everyone's posted a bit.
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On March 22 2013 12:47 nobodywonder wrote:
Guys staph lurking don't be a Hufflepuff. LOL...
BTW TheRavensName are you a Ravenclaw, you should a witty one
I really hope so too. Their name is the coolest anyways... was anyone ever actually in ravenclaw or were they just around for decoration?
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On March 22 2013 12:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Hey all, Don't worry I wont lurk @ all once the game starts rolling. Being how I've never played against any of y'all I have nothing to base any read off so I probably wont throw down a vote untill everyone's posted a bit.
time to get it rollin' then JarJar or mesa annoyed by you. mesa angry. mesa point finger of suspicion on JarJarDrinks
##FoS: JarJarDrinks
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Morning all!
Brilliant flavour!
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Morning,
Anyone who kills Hermione is going to hell.
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<3 Emma Watson. We should have policy: auto-lynch anyone who lynches/kills Emma.
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I don't wanna ask but um.... why is Harry not in this set up?
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On March 22 2013 12:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Hey all, Don't worry I wont lurk @ all once the game starts rolling. Being how I've never played against any of y'all I have nothing to base any read off so I probably wont throw down a vote untill everyone's posted a bit.
It's pretty interesting you say this. How do you propose we actually get the game going if everyone acts like this?
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On March 22 2013 21:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 12:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Hey all, Don't worry I wont lurk @ all once the game starts rolling. Being how I've never played against any of y'all I have nothing to base any read off so I probably wont throw down a vote untill everyone's posted a bit. It's pretty interesting you say this. How do you propose we actually get the game going if everyone acts like this?
Well ironically, it seems like my post helped get the game going . I wasn't implying that I'd just sit back and not post @ all. Just saying that I don't know much insight I can offer untill I see more from everyone. I really just wanted to tell u guys that I would most definately not be a lurker.
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Why do you feel like you have to tell people you won't be lurking when nobody is even accusing you of lurking?
Why so defensive? Afraid of something?
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On March 22 2013 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you feel like you have to tell people you won't be lurking when nobody is even accusing you of lurking?
Why so defensive? Afraid of something?
Nobody specifically accused me of lurking, true. But there was like 3 posts telling people people to stop lurking or something similiar. Since I was one of the people who had yet to post (plus I have a vote on me), I thought I'd tell people that they needn't worry about lurking from me.
I figured that'd be better than just posting a meaningless "Hi guys, I'm in the game"
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What do you think of the other posts after yours. Is there anything that stands out?
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I gotta agree that jarjars post and hostility might be a little suspicious... however I know I did something similar in the last nmm and ended up doing some pretty decent work so I see no reason to punish it till after other people show up. Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling.
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On March 22 2013 22:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you think of the other posts after yours. Is there anything that stands out? No, nothing stands out to me because aside from you, no one else has really posted anything with any actual content. And your posts all seem fine to me.
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That's my point. There are three votes on people already and nobodywonder's FoS on you.
I find it really odd that people post about Harry Potter stuff when there actually is something to talk to. That doesn't really qualify as "get the game going", does it?
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On March 22 2013 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's my point. There are three votes on people already and nobodywonder's FoS on you.
I find it really odd that people post about Harry Potter stuff when there actually is something to talk to. That doesn't really qualify as "get the game going", does it?
No it doesn't. When I said my post seemed to "get the game going", I was refering to the FoS and your post questioning me.
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I didn't mean you, i meant the other players who posted after nobodywonder FoS'd you.
Don't you find it odd that people do not talk anything relevant to the game when there is stuff to talk about? I understand people's first posts usually say nothing (or very little) but when there is something to talk about (in this case three votes and a FoS and at least one post i found interesting and worth questioning) there is no excuse to continue with posting something that does not help you find mafia.
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OK, now a post has stood out to me. This seems scummy:
On March 22 2013 22:28 TheRavensName wrote:
I gotta agree that jarjars post and hostility might be a little suspicious... however I know I did something similar in the last nmm and ended up doing some pretty decent work so I see no reason to punish it till after other people show up. Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling. Pointing out that I'm suspicious and hostile (am I being hostile?) to make sure everybody else is aware of it but then posting a weak defense for me.
Basically telling everyone: You should suspect jarjar, but I don't.
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On March 22 2013 22:28 TheRavensName wrote:
I gotta agree that jarjars post and hostility might be a little suspicious... however I know I did something similar in the last nmm and ended up doing some pretty decent work so I see no reason to punish it till after other people show up. Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling.
What's hostile in JarJar's posts?
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Actually JarJar, that's a pretty good observation, because that is just what TRN seems to be doing here.
##Unvote: JarJarDrinks
##Vote: TheRavensName
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What's wrong Raven? You guys trying to cover each other's ass?
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Yea well you gotta re?e?her most those posts either took place before the europeans and australians would have a chance to
post and some US people may have been on the way to bed... would you have prefered we pressure voted someone who coul.comdn't post 10 minutws after day start? Our joke votes are just as useful [meaning not at all] and only slightly less random.
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On March 22 2013 23:03 Frorgon wrote:
What's wrong Raven? You guys trying to cover each other's ass?
You eish. I'm just trying to do right by jarjar as omni did by me.
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I meant to type overly defensive but my head didn't translate.
And that is not what I meant either jar. I meant most people by that I meant the one guy who attacked said post could find a wau to make that out as scummy but they shouldn't. Afterall your keeping your word about getting more active as time goes on.
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On March 22 2013 23:03 Frorgon wrote:
What's wrong Raven? You guys trying to cover each other's ass?
If they are covering each other, why would JarJar point out Raven's suspicious actions?
On top of saying "JarJar is hostile" - look at the the post:
I gotta agree that jarjars post and hostility might be a little suspicious... however I know I did something similar in the last nmm and ended up doing some pretty decent work so I see no reason to punish it till after other people show up. Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling.
- Raven "agrees with me" that JarJar is hostile. I have never implied i think JarJar is being hostile. Raven is basically saying i think JarJar is hostile which is a pure lie. Because i don't think so.
- Raven is saying "JarJar might be suspicious but might not be". What's the point of saying so? Someone is suspicious or not. Mafia tends to do that because they would already know they are accusing a townie and it's easier to retract from your accusation if you give yourself an out in the first place.
- "Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling". Spreading fear. There is no point saying this kinda stuff if you are town. We need discussion and you are not promoting it here at all. You are doing the opposite. This is not townielike at all.
I think TheRavensName is mafia.
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On March 22 2013 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I didn't mean you, i meant the other players who posted after nobodywonder FoS'd you.
Don't you find it odd that people do not talk anything relevant to the game when there is stuff to talk about? I understand people's first posts usually say nothing (or very little) but when there is something to talk about (in this case three votes and a FoS and at least one post i found interesting and worth questioning) there is no excuse to continue with posting something that does not help you find mafia.
I'm a fan of posting constructively and of posting relevant content that helps with scumhunting, but I'd just like to point two things out, firstly that it's very early in the first day, and a bit of banter shouldn't be seen as dodging posting constructively. Secondly, a few of these votes are policy votes, joke votes or votes based on a previous game.
Whilst these votes DO generate discussion, it does so between the person voting and the votee. It's difficult for an outsider to post directly on these votes until a response has been made by the person being voted for, and some discussion has been generated.
Which is, for example, why my opening post contained a hello and a comment about flavour. However this is no excuse to lurk for half of the day, discussion should be generated ASAP.
On March 22 2013 22:53 JarJarDrinks wrote:OK, now a post has stood out to me. This seems scummy: Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 22:28 TheRavensName wrote:
I gotta agree that jarjars post and hostility might be a little suspicious... however I know I did something similar in the last nmm and ended up doing some pretty decent work so I see no reason to punish it till after other people show up. Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling. Pointing out that I'm suspicious and hostile (am I being hostile?) to make sure everybody else is aware of it but then posting a weak defense for me. Basically telling everyone: You should suspect jarjar, but I don't.
Another thing this post does that I don't like is semi-imply that it's OK to...don't know how to put it but it's OK to post less, semi-lurk or be unsure of contributing just because it's day 1 and historically tough to weed mafia out. This is infact the opposite, if anything day1 should be as discussion-filled as possible BECAUSE it's harder to find mafia d1, more effort, posts and discussion are needed.
As town, you should NEVER be afraid to post. Speak your mind, as long as you keep your thoughts constructive and
concise so you aren't misconstrued as trying to cause chaos in the thread you'll be fine.
Sidenote: I know the two halves of this post kind of contradict each other - but both are valid points so i'm going to post them together anyway.
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- Raven is saying "JarJar might be suspicious but might not be". What's the point of saying so? Someone is suspicious or not. Mafia tends to do that because they would already know they are accusing a townie and it's easier to retract from your accusation if you give yourself an out in the first place. The other thing it can do is set that townie up when the scummy eventually gets lynched and turns up red. Like his teammates can point out "Look, he defended jarjar" after he turns up red.
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I think TheRavensName is mafia. me too
##Vote: TheRavensName
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virtu:
What you are saying in your post is either obvious or repeating stuff that other people have said. So you are not really saying much. Do you think TheRavensName is mafia or not at the moment? You pointed out something yet you lack the conclusion.
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My favorite part is Frorgon gets to sheep a post in and doesn't get called for it, but V gets jumped 10 minutes after he shows up.. I posted my explination for wording and reasonings behind it. Pease find something else for me to do other then respond to the same points over and over again.
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Sup dudes.
I'd rather kill Ray right now.
On March 22 2013 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 23:03 Frorgon wrote:
What's wrong Raven? You guys trying to cover each other's ass? If they are covering each other, why would JarJar point out Raven's suspicious actions? - Raven "agrees with me" that JarJar is hostile. I have never implied i think JarJar is being hostile. Raven is basically saying
On March 22 2013 21:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 12:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Hey all, Don't worry I wont lurk @ all once the game starts rolling. Being how I've never played against any of y'all I have nothing to base any read off so I probably wont throw down a vote untill everyone's posted a bit. It's pretty interesting you say this. How do you propose we actually get the game going if everyone acts like this?
On March 22 2013 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you feel like you have to tell people you won't be lurking when nobody is even accusing you of lurking?
Why so defensive? Afraid of something?
You never implied JarJar was hostile...but you were voting him and calling him out on a bunch of shit. Apparently you had a reason to believe he is scum (hostile, yes?). Then,you proceed to sheep his quote on Raven. What were you trying to accomplish here? Because it certainly doesn't seem town-motivated to be questioning a 'scum read' and then switching bases completely when he picks up something moderately scummy in someone else.
##Vote: Ray
So, bro, tell me, what IS your stance on JarJar? Did your read on him suddenly evaporate?
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On March 22 2013 23:57 TheRavensName wrote:
My favorite part is Frorgon gets to sheep a post in and doesn't get called for it, but V gets jumped 10 minutes after he shows up.. I posted my explination for wording and reasonings behind it. Pease find something else for me to do other then respond to the same points over and over again.
Stop complaining. If you're town you'll find something to do.
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rayn:
Not really repeating anything people have said, and if it was obvious then you wouldn't have been the one telling people to comment on the votes that have been made instead of saying hi and commenting on flavour.
I dislike his post in it's entirety, but I'm not reading too much into it for now. What he's said in his defence is true (link) Omni does indeed step in and defend him here, for a very similar post and mistake. Passing this off as a townie mistake for now.
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Damn it Rainbows... I try to do something other then complain and you get this up before I do.. Oh well I'll just tack it on the end.
On March 23 2013 00:07 Rainbows wrote:Sup dudes. I'd rather kill Ray right now. Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 22 2013 23:03 Frorgon wrote:
What's wrong Raven? You guys trying to cover each other's ass? If they are covering each other, why would JarJar point out Raven's suspicious actions? - Raven "agrees with me" that JarJar is hostile. I have never implied i think JarJar is being hostile. Raven is basically saying Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 21:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 22 2013 12:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Hey all, Don't worry I wont lurk @ all once the game starts rolling. Being how I've never played against any of y'all I have nothing to base any read off so I probably wont throw down a vote untill everyone's posted a bit. It's pretty interesting you say this. How do you propose we actually get the game going if everyone acts like this? Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you feel like you have to tell people you won't be lurking when nobody is even accusing you of lurking?
Why so defensive? Afraid of something? You never implied JarJar was hostile...but you were voting him and calling him out on a bunch of shit. Apparently you had a reason to believe he is scum (hostile, yes?). Then,you proceed to sheep his quote on Raven. What were you trying to accomplish here? Because it certainly doesn't seem town-motivated to be questioning a 'scum read' and then switching bases completely when he picks up something moderately scummy in someone else. ##Vote: RaySo, bro, tell me, what IS your stance on JarJar? Did your read on him suddenly evaporate?
On March 22 2013 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
- Raven is saying "JarJar might be suspicious but might not be". What's the point of saying so? Someone is suspicious or not. Mafia tends to do that because they would already know they are accusing a townie and it's easier to retract from your accusation if you give yourself an out in the first place.
- "Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling". Spreading fear. There is no point saying this kinda stuff if you are town. We need discussion and you are not promoting it here at all. You are doing the opposite. This is not townielike at all.
I think TheRavensName is mafia.
Something that your missing is the fact he calls me out for "Spreading Fear" by saying I'm wrong to say Day 1 is scary, but he himself is already doing that by calling out the only two people who have said something along those lines and also he just sort of drops the whole thing he had on Jar Jar who was saying the same thing. WIFOM Warning for coming far too early in the game + Show Spoiler +Per chance it was a set up, with Jarjar posting, Ray respnding, and then they team up on whoever takes the bait (me.)
I also again did not meant to say he was supicious, but how his actions could be seen as suspicious. I would not defend him in that same post if I really thought he was supicious.
In my opnion, I think Ray is just someone swinging out for the blood of an early myslynch and he is going to keep switching around till he finds one that works enough. Why did he drop Jar to focus on me instead of calling out more people who were lurking? This one gained traction first. So you dislikemy joke vote/ I'll change it for ya.
Unvote: Geript
Vote: Raynpelikoneet
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Rainbows:
I called JarJar out because i found it odd he needed to tell everyone he isn't gonna lurk. I don't think that was a "bunch of shit". It also started the discussion. Why do you think calling out little stuff early on in the game is scummy? Because there is nothing but little stuff to start with.
I thought the hostile meant his behaviour is hostile, not that the word hostile=scum. Why do you think Raven meant it that way?
It's not sheeping if you agree with someone. I made the same observation he did and pointed it out (in addition i pointed out other stuff i found out scummy in Raven's post).
Based on what JarJar has said i'm leaning town on him. He's being open and actually does shit that makes sense.
What's your read on Raven?
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@ Frogon
All you've done so far is make some lurking comment and call out Raven this game. If you really think he is scummy provide some backup for it, instead of bolstering the case with a single comment and then disappearing.
It pisses me off when people do that. So non-commital.
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On March 23 2013 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rainbows:
I called JarJar out because i found it odd he needed to tell everyone he isn't gonna lurk. I don't think that was a "bunch of shit". It also started the discussion. Why do you think calling out little stuff early on in the game is scummy? Because there is nothing but little stuff to start with.
I thought the hostile meant his behaviour is hostile, not that the word hostile=scum. Why do you think Raven meant it that way?
It's not sheeping if you agree with someone. I made the same observation he did and pointed it out (in addition i pointed out other stuff i found out scummy in Raven's post).
Based on what JarJar has said i'm leaning town on him. He's being open and actually does shit that makes sense.
What's your read on Raven?
Calling out little stuff early game isn't scummy. It's the fact that you switched gears so fucking fast and were like "SHIT DUDE, This Raven guy right here, so scummy (:".
Okay I'll give you the point hostile doesn't always = scummy, but generally it is. Oh so you're leaning town on Jar, interesting.
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Dat Raven omgus and sheep vote.
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On March 23 2013 00:30 Rainbows wrote:
Dat Raven omgus and sheep vote.
Sigh this is why I didn't want to make a case. If I had made it first it would have been descredited as me trying to save myself, and now I'm sheeping. Its exactly like the last game we played with accused people! YAY!
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Let's be clear here Rainbows:
Do you agree with me in my post where i told why i think Raven is scummy? If yes, why, if not, why?
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PS: By Rayn's logic I'm not sheeping. I'm agreeing with you xD
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On March 23 2013 00:31 TheRavensName wrote:Sigh this is why I didn't want to make a case. If I had made it first it would have been descredited as me trying to save myself, and now I'm sheeping. Its exactly like the last game we played with accused people! YAY!
Except those people flipped scum. . .? MLuneth omgus'd me so hard I lynched the him, made me happy.
Raven, Your post is based on the fact that Ray called you out on some shit, and you defended said shit, but he still thinks you're scummy. I think it's an emotional vote.
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On March 23 2013 00:33 TheRavensName wrote:
PS: By Rayn's logic I'm not sheeping. I'm agreeing with you xD
Except I don't entirely disagree with his points against you. The wish-washy statement was valid and true. You agree (sheep?) my point, and then just say that Ray is completely wrong in his reasoning and that makes him scum. Bad reasoning can come from either alignment, unfortunately. Raven, at this point i'm leaning slight town on you because I think your vote was cavalier and not based on solid reasoning other than what I presented.
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On March 23 2013 00:36 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 00:31 TheRavensName wrote:On March 23 2013 00:30 Rainbows wrote:
Dat Raven omgus and sheep vote. Sigh this is why I didn't want to make a case. If I had made it first it would have been descredited as me trying to save myself, and now I'm sheeping. Its exactly like the last game we played with accused people! YAY! Except those people flipped scum. . .? MLuneth omgus'd me so hard I lynched the him, made me happy. Raven, Your post is based on the fact that Ray called you out on some shit, and you defended said shit, but he still thinks you're scummy. I think it's an emotional vote.
Actually NW and Meatless both had it happen to them, and NW only survive cause Arctic made himself look really bad when he came back after getting his blank pass.
No not really. Actually, in hindsightI used against you last game, "Your super aggressive and I dislike that and find it scummy."
Its too early to go after lurkers, as I think the first day should contain a 24 hour grace period and they have posted nothing to make themselves look bad. I already said that I think Jar is just like melast game and just kind of newbie and green, and hes shown that by running with the ball so far I'm giving him a null read.
Really my only choices so far are Ray and Frorgon.Now that I think back to it and started re-looking over last game again Frorgron he lurked for the first chunk of day 1 last game anyways so I mean.. I'm just assuming he is at like work or something and only had time for that one post eventhough it bothers me (and I sad as much.) This leaves me with Ray and hes the case I attempted to strengthen.
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On March 23 2013 00:42 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 00:33 TheRavensName wrote:
PS: By Rayn's logic I'm not sheeping. I'm agreeing with you xD Except I don't entirely disagree with his points against you. The wish-washy statement was valid and true. You agree (sheep?) my point, and then just say that Ray is completely wrong in his reasoning and that makes him scum. Bad reasoning can come from either alignment, unfortunately. Raven, at this point i'm leaning slight town on you because I think your vote was cavalier and not based on solid reasoning other than what I presented.
I tried to add to it... but theres only so much you can add when the filters are not even a full page yet.
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So far the only person that's really caught my attention is ray, for how aggressive he's being, the speed of which he's exchanged his focus and vote. These are all points that have been brought up by others, but it's the only truly suspicious thing happening atm.
@ray what do you hope to achieve by switching focus at the drop of a pin with your agressiveness? two or three more posts like that and you're going after half the thread. Do you think this is an effective way to find mafia? why?
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On March 23 2013 00:44 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 00:36 Rainbows wrote:On March 23 2013 00:31 TheRavensName wrote:On March 23 2013 00:30 Rainbows wrote:
Dat Raven omgus and sheep vote. Sigh this is why I didn't want to make a case. If I had made it first it would have been descredited as me trying to save myself, and now I'm sheeping. Its exactly like the last game we played with accused people! YAY! Except those people flipped scum. . .? MLuneth omgus'd me so hard I lynched the him, made me happy. Raven, Your post is based on the fact that Ray called you out on some shit, and you defended said shit, but he still thinks you're scummy. I think it's an emotional vote. Actually NW and Meatless both had it happen to them, and NW only survive cause Arctic made himself look really bad when he came back after getting his blank pass. No not really. Actually, in hindsightI used against you last game, "Your super aggressive and I dislike that and find it scummy." Its too early to go after lurkers, as I think the first day should contain a 24 hour grace period and they have posted nothing to make themselves look bad. I already said that I think Jar is just like melast game and just kind of newbie and green, and hes shown that by running with the ball so far I'm giving him a null read. Really my only choices so far are Ray and Frorgon.Now that I think back to it and started re-looking over last game again Frorgron he lurked for the first chunk of day 1 last game anyways so I mean.. I'm just assuming he is at like work or something and only had time for that one post eventhough it bothers me (and I sad as much.) This leaves me with Ray and hes the case I attempted to strengthen.
Well I had the giant ass case on scum and he basically said I was wrong, super defended himself, and that I was scum for it.
Anyway, I'm a bit confused as to Ray's intentions in all of these shennanies.
@Ray
I don't think Raven is scum solely based on the evidence given. Talk to me. Do you really believe he is scum atm? What about guys with zero pressure on them such as Frogon and Virtu? So easy for scum to hide in a shitfest such as this. Hell, what dost thou thinkest of ME?
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On March 23 2013 00:48 virtu wrote:
So far the only person that's really caught my attention is ray, for how aggressive he's being, the speed of which he's exchanged his focus and vote. These are all points that have been brought up by others, but it's the only truly suspicious thing happening atm.
@ray what do you hope to achieve by switching focus at the drop of a pin with your agressiveness? two or three more posts like that and you're going after half the thread. Do you think this is an effective way to find mafia? why?
Holy crap you're scum.
##Unvote
##Vote: Virtu
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On March 23 2013 00:19 virtu wrote:rayn: Not really repeating anything people have said, and if it was obvious then you wouldn't have been the one telling people to comment on the votes that have been made instead of saying hi and commenting on flavour. I dislike his post in it's entirety, but I'm not reading too much into it for now. What he's said in his defence is true ( link) Omni does indeed step in and defend him here, for a very similar post and mistake. Passing this off as a townie mistake for now.
The thing is. Look at what has happened. There are two people voting for me atm. For what? For me trying to figure out stuff. I like to vote, my vote will always be on a person i find out to be scummiest at the moment. I presented my case for people to discuss it and i am sticking with it until it's proven i am wrong or we find someone who is more scummy.
I understand this might be a townie mistake, i just don't think it is. And using "what someone else did in some other game" isn't really a defence that convinces me. If Raven actually starts scumhunting, contributing and making observations that make sense i'm willing to reconsider my vote. If he is in fact town the best defence is to start finding mafia.
So far the only person that's really caught my attention is ray, for how aggressive he's being, the speed of which he's exchanged his focus and vote. These are all points that have been brought up by others, but it's the only truly suspicious thing happening atm.
@ray what do you hope to achieve by switching focus at the drop of a pin with your agressiveness? two or three more posts like that and you're going after half the thread. Do you think this is an effective way to find mafia? why?
Early on it's effective to question people as much as possible. We get discussion and everyone needs to participate. I am not "switching my focus", voting for someone you think is mafia tells that you actually think they are mafia and you are not just being wishy-washy. I never really thought JarJar was mafia. Note that i voted him earlier than he posted. My vote being on him had nothing to do with what he said later. I just didn't bother to change my vote because voting for someone also pressures them to do things. Which JarJar then did. It's that simple.
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Another note. There is no point in going after lurkers now. They will post later, if they don't, we lynch them. Period. Note that TheRavensName also noticed this, but a part of his case against me is me "Why did he drop Jar to focus on me instead of calling out more people who were lurking". I don't even know what to say..
So i am being voted for being aggressive (does aggressive = scum?), for trying to promote discussion and getting the discussion started and for voting for a person i think is mafia (with a case that noone has proven to be wrong). I don't care to defend myself because it's so silly.
And yes, Frorgron's post is another thing that bothers me at the moment. I even asked him about it and i am expecting an answer when he comes back.
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On March 23 2013 00:52 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 00:44 TheRavensName wrote:On March 23 2013 00:36 Rainbows wrote:On March 23 2013 00:31 TheRavensName wrote:On March 23 2013 00:30 Rainbows wrote:
Dat Raven omgus and sheep vote. Sigh this is why I didn't want to make a case. If I had made it first it would have been descredited as me trying to save myself, and now I'm sheeping. Its exactly like the last game we played with accused people! YAY! Except those people flipped scum. . .? MLuneth omgus'd me so hard I lynched the him, made me happy. Raven, Your post is based on the fact that Ray called you out on some shit, and you defended said shit, but he still thinks you're scummy. I think it's an emotional vote. Actually NW and Meatless both had it happen to them, and NW only survive cause Arctic made himself look really bad when he came back after getting his blank pass. No not really. Actually, in hindsightI used against you last game, "Your super aggressive and I dislike that and find it scummy." Its too early to go after lurkers, as I think the first day should contain a 24 hour grace period and they have posted nothing to make themselves look bad. I already said that I think Jar is just like melast game and just kind of newbie and green, and hes shown that by running with the ball so far I'm giving him a null read. Really my only choices so far are Ray and Frorgon.Now that I think back to it and started re-looking over last game again Frorgron he lurked for the first chunk of day 1 last game anyways so I mean.. I'm just assuming he is at like work or something and only had time for that one post eventhough it bothers me (and I sad as much.) This leaves me with Ray and hes the case I attempted to strengthen. Well I had the giant ass case on scum and he basically said I was wrong, super defended himself, and that I was scum for it. Anyway, I'm a bit confused as to Ray's intentions in all of these shennanies. @RayI don't think Raven is scum solely based on the evidence given. Talk to me. Do you really believe he is scum atm? What about guys with zero pressure on them such as Frogon and Virtu? So easy for scum to hide in a shitfest such as this. Hell, what dost thou thinkest of ME?
Atm i do. He should stop defending himself and start trying to find mafia instead. That's the best defence.
I explained Frorgon in my earlier post.
I don't understand why virtu (and you guys) think being aggressive = scum. Other than that he is questioning people at the moment. That's enough for me atm. Btw why exactly are you voting for him?
You seem to be doing stuff and trying to figure out things. Nothing in your actions makes me think you are mafia atm.
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Here's my thoughts. Rayn and Raven voted for someone on very little evidence, almost immediately. Kinda trigger-happy. Nobodywonder FOS'd JarJar because he's was trying to avoid saying anything. That makes sense.
But anyway, Krafla hasn't posted yet and it's usually the silent ones that are the killers. FOS
@Rayn, getting mafia is important, but you should realize that you get no vote if you're dead. Stop giving people reasons to vote for you. you're being needlessly aggressive and desperately trying to throw any blame off himself. But maybe you're just a cop.
That goes for the rest of you, too. The people we should be interrogating are: Frogon, virtu, Krafla, and myself. Let's not give people a free pass.
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Nothing in Fishgle's post makes sense to me..
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On March 23 2013 00:53 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 00:48 virtu wrote:
So far the only person that's really caught my attention is ray, for how aggressive he's being, the speed of which he's exchanged his focus and vote. These are all points that have been brought up by others, but it's the only truly suspicious thing happening atm.
@ray what do you hope to achieve by switching focus at the drop of a pin with your agressiveness? two or three more posts like that and you're going after half the thread. Do you think this is an effective way to find mafia? why? Holy crap you're scum. ##Unvote
##Vote: Virtu
Cute. Your tone so far has been confident bordering on arrogant. Traits commonly found in a new player that thinks he's invincible when he gets Godfather handed to him and doesn't know what to do with it.
On March 23 2013 01:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 00:19 virtu wrote:rayn: Not really repeating anything people have said, and if it was obvious then you wouldn't have been the one telling people to comment on the votes that have been made instead of saying hi and commenting on flavour. I dislike his post in it's entirety, but I'm not reading too much into it for now. What he's said in his defence is true ( link) Omni does indeed step in and defend him here, for a very similar post and mistake. Passing this off as a townie mistake for now. The thing is. Look at what has happened. There are two people voting for me atm. For what? For me trying to figure out stuff. I like to vote, my vote will always be on a person i find out to be scummiest at the moment. I presented my case for people to discuss it and i am sticking with it until it's proven i am wrong or we find someone who is more scummy. I understand this might be a townie mistake, i just don't think it is. And using "what someone else did in some other game" isn't really a defence that convinces me. If Raven actually starts scumhunting, contributing and making observations that make sense i'm willing to reconsider my vote. If he is in fact town the best defence is to start finding mafia. Show nested quote +So far the only person that's really caught my attention is ray, for how aggressive he's being, the speed of which he's exchanged his focus and vote. These are all points that have been brought up by others, but it's the only truly suspicious thing happening atm.
@ray what do you hope to achieve by switching focus at the drop of a pin with your agressiveness? two or three more posts like that and you're going after half the thread. Do you think this is an effective way to find mafia? why? Early on it's effective to question people as much as possible. We get discussion and everyone needs to participate. I am not "switching my focus", voting for someone you think is mafia tells that you actually think they are mafia and you are not just being wishy-washy. I never really thought JarJar was mafia. Note that i voted him earlier than he posted. My vote being on him had nothing to do with what he said later. I just didn't bother to change my vote because voting for someone also pressures them to do things. Which JarJar then did. It's that simple. ------ Another note. There is no point in going after lurkers now. They will post later, if they don't, we lynch them. Period. Note that TheRavensName also noticed this, but a part of his case against me is me "Why did he drop Jar to focus on me instead of calling out more people who were lurking". I don't even know what to say.. So i am being voted for being aggressive (does aggressive = scum?), for trying to promote discussion and getting the discussion started and for voting for a person i think is mafia (with a case that noone has proven to be wrong). I don't care to defend myself because it's so silly. And yes, Frorgron's post is another thing that bothers me at the moment. I even asked him about it and i am expecting an answer when he comes back.
I agree with you. I don't understand the votes on you to be perfectly honest, and through my comment I just wanted to see your reaction, which i'm happy with for now. I too would like to see raven stop purely defending himself in every reply, but part of the problem right now is there aren't enough people actively posting.
It is too early to go after lurkers but not too early to notice they aren't really posting, which they should start doing asap. Outside opinions on the back and forth between you and raven, and rainbow's colourful (pun intended) contributions would be nice.
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On March 23 2013 01:34 Fishgle wrote:
Here's my thoughts. Rayn and Raven voted for someone on very little evidence, almost immediately. Kinda trigger-happy. Nobodywonder FOS'd JarJar because he's was trying to avoid saying anything. That makes sense.
Do you somehow know that nobodywonder FOS'd JarJar "because he's was trying to avoid saying anything"? Because that was not the impression i got from his FoS.
But anyway, Krafla hasn't posted yet and it's usually the silent ones that are the killers. FOS
nobodywonder or Frorgon has done nearly as little as Krafla. Why single out just Krafla?
@Rayn, getting mafia is important, but you should realize that you get no vote if you're dead. Stop giving people reasons to vote for you. you're being needlessly aggressive and desperately trying to throw any blame off himself. But maybe you're just a cop.
How exactly i'm giving people reasons to vote for me? Again, being aggressive =/= mafia. And wtf is that cop comment?
That goes for the rest of you, too. The people we should be interrogating are: Frogon, virtu, Krafla, and myself. Let's not give people a free pass.
Why are you leaving nobodywonder out of this list? And why is virtu there? And what is the purpose of the list in the first place? Everyone should be interrogated, noone less than others.
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If nobody see's how scummy that post was by Virtu, you're blind.
On March 09 2013 00:04 Arctic Daishi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 02:06 OmniEulogy wrote:
@Arctic Can give us your thoughts on what has happened so far and answer most of the questions I have asked to the others. Been reading up on recent happenings for about 15 minutes now. I tend to agree with Krafla, TheRavensName and OmniEulogy in that no-lynching is a bad idea. If we don't start gathering information now, then we'll be off to a disadvantage. I think if there's a possibility of lynching someone on the other side, then we should take it. This is my first game though, so I could very well be making the wrong move. I voted for Kafla, because a few other people suspected him as well, making him suspicious.
AD post this last game, he was scum ^
On March 23 2013 00:48 virtu wrote:
So far the only person that's really caught my attention is ray, for how aggressive he's being, the speed of which he's exchanged his focus and vote. These are all points that have been brought up by others, but it's the only truly suspicious thing happening atm.
@ray what do you hope to achieve by switching focus at the drop of a pin with your agressiveness? two or three more posts like that and you're going after half the thread. Do you think this is an effective way to find mafia? why?
See the parrallel? It's scum mentality. He literally doesn't bring any new information to the thread.
Virtu, you pass it off as a 'cute' move and then call me the GF -- are you seriously role speculating right now? I can't even fathom a town considering this ---> it's literally attributing townie actions to make someone scummy.
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On March 23 2013 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you somehow know that nobodywonder FOS'd JarJar "because he's was trying to avoid saying anything"? Because that was not the impression i got from his FoS.
yea you're right. seems like more of a joke post now that I read it again.
nobodywonder or Frorgon has done nearly as little as Krafla. Why single out just Krafla?
you're right. my bad. replace krafla with "all the lurkers"
How exactly i'm giving people reasons to vote for me? Again, being aggressive =/= mafia. And wtf is that cop comment
but being aggressive doesn't mean you're not mafia either. You're drawing tons of attention to yourself and creating a scene. I understand that the whole point of mafia is to actively figure out who the scum are, but you're pushing everyone's buttons, which most people won't like. And it might make you a target.
Why are you leaving nobodywonder out of this list? And why is virtu there? And what is the purpose of the list in the first place? Everyone should be interrogated, noone less than others.
I about forgot nobodywonder. And yea, I agree. Everyone should be interrogated equally, that was my point, and why I wrote the list. Krafla, frogron, and nobodywonder haven't been questioned at all yet. And whoever else I may have missed.
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I don't see it.
Arctic Daishi agreed on a vote because "other people suspected Kafla and that made him suspicious" which does not make sense. virtu says that what i have done is the only thing he finds suspicious (and later on labeled it as a reaction test). Makes sense from what i can tell.
You are right about the GF thing. It's odd and i don't see how it helps because it's just a speculation.
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EBWOP: Above directed to Rainbows
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On March 23 2013 02:31 Fishgle wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you somehow know that nobodywonder FOS'd JarJar "because he's was trying to avoid saying anything"? Because that was not the impression i got from his FoS. yea you're right. seems like more of a joke post now that I read it again. Show nested quote +nobodywonder or Frorgon has done nearly as little as Krafla. Why single out just Krafla? you're right. my bad. replace krafla with "all the lurkers" Show nested quote +How exactly i'm giving people reasons to vote for me? Again, being aggressive =/= mafia. And wtf is that cop comment but being aggressive doesn't mean you're not mafia either. You're drawing tons of attention to yourself and creating a scene. I understand that the whole point of mafia is to actively figure out who the scum are, but you're pushing everyone's buttons, which most people won't like. And it might make you a target. Show nested quote +Why are you leaving nobodywonder out of this list? And why is virtu there? And what is the purpose of the list in the first place? Everyone should be interrogated, noone less than others. I about forgot nobodywonder. And yea, I agree. Everyone should be interrogated equally, that was my point, and why I wrote the list. Krafla, frogron, and nobodywonder haven't been questioned at all yet. And whoever else I may have missed.
What did you actually say with your post?
"nobodywonder made a joke (which i personally think was not a joke, i think he found out the same thing in JarJar's post i did). raynpelikoneet may or may not be mafia. People should ask questions from each other and try to figure out who is mafia."
Seems like you are attempting to contribute without actually contributing.
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If you take the GF thing seriously, you're stupid. I'm clearly responding to your utterly ridiculous attempt at calling me scum with an equally ridiculous response. Simple as that.
Also, your comparison is terrible, I'm ADMITTING i'm not adding anything to the thread in my own post because I know I'm not, and I have nothing to add at that moment in time. Still, I post it because it's better to post whether I agree/disagree with things others have said than to not post at all, even if it is one way scum hide amongst townies.
In AD's post he accidentally adds in the fact that he's sheeping others, in a post trying to look like he's adding to the thread. they're completely different posts.
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virtu, what do you think of this post by Fishgle?
On March 23 2013 01:34 Fishgle wrote:
Here's my thoughts. Rayn and Raven voted for someone on very little evidence, almost immediately. Kinda trigger-happy. Nobodywonder FOS'd JarJar because he's was trying to avoid saying anything. That makes sense.
But anyway, Krafla hasn't posted yet and it's usually the silent ones that are the killers. FOS
@Rayn, getting mafia is important, but you should realize that you get no vote if you're dead. Stop giving people reasons to vote for you. you're being needlessly aggressive and desperately trying to throw any blame off himself. But maybe you're just a cop.
That goes for the rest of you, too. The people we should be interrogating are: Frogon, virtu, Krafla, and myself. Let's not give people a free pass.
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It's a nothing post.
Literally lists what has happened so far. This happened, then that happened.
Goes on to point a FoS on a complete lurker, easy move anyone can do. Lurkers are FoS for everyone.
Re-iterates a point a few others have made, even though you've explained your actions and that ship has sailed.
The last point is OK, especially the fact he highlights himself, but it's a VERY blendy post, and to say it's his thoughts so far there isn't much there.
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EBWOP: It's a very blendy post overall
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@Rainbows
I wasn't necessarily suspicious of Raven. I was trying to provoke some more discussion, because up until that point there hadn't been much. I'd get a gist about Raven based on his response and I think I was fairly successful in that. Comparing it to the previous game I'd say as of now he leans town for me.
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@ray
The point I was trying to make was that Raven pointed out jarjar as potentially suspicious, and then later in the same post backed off and said that the behavior could possibly explained. It's a scum move to give the appearance of suspecting someone in order to look useful, only to avoid committing to it later on. in the same post.
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Out playing snooker, back in few hours, will post a bit before bed.
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On March 23 2013 04:26 Frorgon wrote:
@ray
The point I was trying to make was that Raven pointed out jarjar as potentially suspicious, and then later in the same post backed off and said that the behavior could possibly explained. It's a scum move to give the appearance of suspecting someone in order to look useful, only to avoid committing to it later on. in the same post. The impression I got was that you realized your scum buddy made a pretty scummy post and got called out on it. So you made sure to call him out as well while @ the same time trying to cast suspicion on me by implying that we were teammates:
Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 23:03 Frorgon wrote:
What's wrong Raven? You guys trying to cover each other's ass?
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I'm looking at virtu for primary scum candidate right now. Pitching a fit about Rainbows and ray just because of their aggressive play. Getting super defensive.
On March 23 2013 00:48 virtu wrote:
So far the only person that's really caught my attention is ray, for how aggressive he's being, the speed of which he's exchanged his focus and vote. These are all points that have been brought up by others, but it's the only truly suspicious thing happening atm.
@ray what do you hope to achieve by switching focus at the drop of a pin with your agressiveness? two or three more posts like that and you're going after half the thread. Do you think this is an effective way to find mafia? why?
So you don't want people to actively scumhunt? You want to discourage people for trying to find answers? It's day one, of course there is going to be no trust and questions asked of everyone. How else are we going to get reads?
On March 23 2013 00:53 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 00:48 virtu wrote:
So far the only person that's really caught my attention is ray, for how aggressive he's being, the speed of which he's exchanged his focus and vote. These are all points that have been brought up by others, but it's the only truly suspicious thing happening atm.
@ray what do you hope to achieve by switching focus at the drop of a pin with your agressiveness? two or three more posts like that and you're going after half the thread. Do you think this is an effective way to find mafia? why? Holy crap you're scum. ##Unvote
##Vote: Virtu
Cute. Your tone so far has been confident bordering on arrogant. Traits commonly found in a new player that thinks he's invincible when he gets Godfather handed to him and doesn't know what to do with it.
[QUOTE]On March 23 2013 01:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So now you're concerned because Rainbows is onto you. Lets call him the supreme mafioso for it! Sorry, I don't think you're going to scare him that easily.
I don't like how virtu is seemingly antagonistic to anyone who is being aggressive in trying to find scum.
##Vote: virtu
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On March 22 2013 22:53 JarJarDrinks wrote:OK, now a post has stood out to me. This seems scummy: Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 22:28 TheRavensName wrote:
I gotta agree that jarjars post and hostility might be a little suspicious... however I know I did something similar in the last nmm and ended up doing some pretty decent work so I see no reason to punish it till after other people show up. Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling. Pointing out that I'm suspicious and hostile (am I being hostile?) to make sure everybody else is aware of it but then posting a weak defense for me. Basically telling everyone: You should suspect jarjar, but I don't.
So keep in mind what you said here jarjar. Now why would Raven suspect you and then soft defend you if he is scum and you are not? If you're town wouldn't he just push for your lynch?
So this is what seemed off to me. I mean maybe it is the case and Raven is just using real evasive maneuvers.
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Sup guys, lehsgoo lynch a Slytherian... <3 emma watson
anyways imma hit the filter and the the thread.
@geript, where are you good sir with your nutta butta's, I need food
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On March 23 2013 05:06 Frorgon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 22:53 JarJarDrinks wrote:OK, now a post has stood out to me. This seems scummy: On March 22 2013 22:28 TheRavensName wrote:
I gotta agree that jarjars post and hostility might be a little suspicious... however I know I did something similar in the last nmm and ended up doing some pretty decent work so I see no reason to punish it till after other people show up. Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling. Pointing out that I'm suspicious and hostile (am I being hostile?) to make sure everybody else is aware of it but then posting a weak defense for me. Basically telling everyone: You should suspect jarjar, but I don't. So keep in mind what you said here jarjar. Now why would Raven suspect you and then soft defend you if he is scum and you are not? If you're town wouldn't he just push for your lynch? I feel like the reason for that should be obvious.
Scum doesn't want to be responsible for lynching a townie but he still wants a townie lynched
So basically he points out that I'm suspicious and hostile hoping to maybe influence some people and get me lynched. Then when I turn up green, he doesn't look suspicious because he "defended" me and can go after one of the people that voted for me.
I would think that the best result for mafia is getting a townie lynched with the least amount of scum voting for that person.
And notice that he still left himself an out so he could go back to voting for me if the situation required it. He said he sees "no reason to punish it till after other people show up."
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On March 22 2013 23:41 JarJarDrinks wrote:me too ##Vote: TheRavensName
sup Jar Jar, what's with this vote? what kind of evidence is this? this is weak town play/kinda scummy: it seems like this kind of thinking: oh herp, ray thinks raven is scummy; oh i think so too => sheep vote. it's interesting/suspicious, since more or less you have identified some scummy behavior, but still only quote a sentiment...
my FoS has upgraded to a Hand of Suspicion HoS on you.
On March 23 2013 02:50 virtu wrote:
If you take the GF thing seriously, you're stupid. I'm clearly responding to your utterly ridiculous attempt at calling me scum with an equally ridiculous response. Simple as that.
Also, your comparison is terrible, I'm ADMITTING i'm not adding anything to the thread in my own post because I know I'm not, and I have nothing to add at that moment in time. Still, I post it because it's better to post whether I agree/disagree with things others have said than to not post at all, even if it is one way scum hide amongst townies.
In AD's post he accidentally adds in the fact that he's sheeping others, in a post trying to look like he's adding to the thread. they're completely different posts.
hmm, so you read the previous newbie mafia... ok so what you think of the meta or far, any deviance, do you see any changes in the players in this game and the last game? btw you're kinda sheeping too, where is your scumhunting? youve just been hostile. scumhunt, man. dumbledore'll get mad at you.
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@JarJar, thou shall quoteth well. you meant this post right?
On March 22 2013 22:28 TheRavensName wrote:
I gotta agree that jarjars post and hostility might be a little suspicious... however I know I did something similar in the last nmm and ended up doing some pretty decent work so I see no reason to punish it till after other people show up. Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling.
hmmm, so Raven, good sir, are you still for FoS,HoS, or Voting for JarJar? help us guide through Day 1 and get the ball rolling.
+ Show Spoiler +and honestly, Raven, we really don't needs star wars blasphemy in a harry potter world.
On March 22 2013 23:57 TheRavensName wrote:
My favorite part is Frorgon gets to sheep a post in and doesn't get called for it, but V gets jumped 10 minutes after he shows up.. I posted my explination for wording and reasonings behind it. Pease find something else for me to do other then respond to the same points over and over again.
...what the hell does this post even mean? world unfair? and btw you never followed up for this explanation.
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nobodywonder:
What do you think of Frorgon's case on virtu, and his post about JarJar after that?
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I think of things, what do you think on these things too?
Well case on virtu is valid, virtu if town has terrible play, honestly I kind of want to curse virtu's play. hasn't done stuff besides defending and saying crazy stuff @Virtu are you town? haha at this pt, at least do a good job of pretending to be town.
idk about the post about Jar Jar. seems somewhat like a soft defense of Raven, but honestly I can't read too much into it right now. need some more input from frogron, raven and jarjar
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@ray .....sooooo what do you think? What do you think of Frorgon's case on virtu, and his post about JarJar after that?
I want to know what you think. Otherwise your question doesn't mean much, besides a little input from nobodywonder.
It seems you want a lil' dirt on Frorgon though or some dirt on JarJar.
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On March 23 2013 05:56 nobodywonder wrote:@JarJar, thou shall quoteth well. you meant this post right? Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 22:28 TheRavensName wrote:
I gotta agree that jarjars post and hostility might be a little suspicious... however I know I did something similar in the last nmm and ended up doing some pretty decent work so I see no reason to punish it till after other people show up. Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling. hmmm, so Raven, good sir, are you still for FoS,HoS, or Voting for JarJar? help us guide through Day 1 and get the ball rolling. + Show Spoiler +and honestly, Raven, we really don't needs star wars blasphemy in a harry potter world. Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 23:57 TheRavensName wrote:
My favorite part is Frorgon gets to sheep a post in and doesn't get called for it, but V gets jumped 10 minutes after he shows up.. I posted my explination for wording and reasonings behind it. Pease find something else for me to do other then respond to the same points over and over again. ...what the hell does this post even mean? world unfair? and btw you never followed up for this explanation.
I don't actually don't think Jarjar is all that suspicious, I was trying to defend him and not attack him but whatever, I've repeated that enough. Fr and Ray worry me a bit mor.
As to what that means... I don't know what it means, I posted it on my way home from class so I don't think I even knew what it was whn I was writing it. I think I was trying to suggest the fact that Forgron was ignored was kind of suspicious, like he was trying to contribute to make it look like he was and it was just getting either ignored because it agreed, or because Ray and him are both scum.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 23 2013 05:42 nobodywonder wrote:hmm, so you read the previous newbie mafia... ok so what you think of the meta or far, any deviance, do you see any changes in the players in this game and the last game? btw you're kinda sheeping too, where is your scumhunting? youve just been hostile. scumhunt, man. dumbledore'll get mad at you. I think its simiilar. personally, but I don't want to really read too much into it.. but for that reason I'm starting to doubt my scum read on Ray.
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On March 23 2013 05:42 nobodywonder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 23:41 JarJarDrinks wrote:I think TheRavensName is mafia. me too ##Vote: TheRavensName sup Jar Jar, what's with this vote? what kind of evidence is this? this is weak town play/kinda scummy: it seems like this kind of thinking: oh herp, ray thinks raven is scummy; oh i think so too => sheep vote. it's interesting/suspicious, since more or less you have identified some scummy behavior, but still only quote a sentiment... my FoS has upgraded to a Hand of Suspicion HoS on you.
You're taking this out of context. Yeah this was one post but I had made several prior to this post already stating my reasons. In fact Ray voted for raven based on my initial read of his post.
I stated why I thought Ravens post was scummy. Then when ray posted his analysis which confirmed what I was thinking, I stated that I agreed with him in believing Raven is mafia. Not sure how you can interpret that as a sheep vote.
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@JarJar no, i did not take it out of context. that's what I mean. you had your suspicions, but never seemed to act upon til Ray posts. and you do so with a quote of his sentiment. so to me, it does look sheepy.
@Raven, double negative in your post. anyways you seem ...off and perhaps nervous at this thing called scumhunting. why do frorgon and ray worry ypu?
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lol i just realized, geript isn't in this game, i started an imaginary bandwagon. i miss my nutter butter though >.< this post to dedicated to you, geript.
btw i did get one on the wagon
On March 22 2013 12:40 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 12:35 nobodywonder wrote:wooooooooo ~ exciting game so far ##Vote: geriptI want a nutter butter. ##Vote: GeriptI'm eating one right now... and I am making up for all the times I didn't get to do this last game.
lol, btw raven you're still technically voting geript with me right now. lol. you should revote and post the reasons again
+ Show Spoiler +On March 23 2013 00:22 TheRavensName wrote:Damn it Rainbows... I try to do something other then complain and you get this up before I do.. Oh well I'll just tack it on the end. Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 00:07 Rainbows wrote:Sup dudes. I'd rather kill Ray right now. On March 22 2013 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 22 2013 23:03 Frorgon wrote:
What's wrong Raven? You guys trying to cover each other's ass? If they are covering each other, why would JarJar point out Raven's suspicious actions? - Raven "agrees with me" that JarJar is hostile. I have never implied i think JarJar is being hostile. Raven is basically saying On March 22 2013 21:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 22 2013 12:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Hey all, Don't worry I wont lurk @ all once the game starts rolling. Being how I've never played against any of y'all I have nothing to base any read off so I probably wont throw down a vote untill everyone's posted a bit. It's pretty interesting you say this. How do you propose we actually get the game going if everyone acts like this? On March 22 2013 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you feel like you have to tell people you won't be lurking when nobody is even accusing you of lurking?
Why so defensive? Afraid of something? You never implied JarJar was hostile...but you were voting him and calling him out on a bunch of shit. Apparently you had a reason to believe he is scum (hostile, yes?). Then,you proceed to sheep his quote on Raven. What were you trying to accomplish here? Because it certainly doesn't seem town-motivated to be questioning a 'scum read' and then switching bases completely when he picks up something moderately scummy in someone else. ##Vote: RaySo, bro, tell me, what IS your stance on JarJar? Did your read on him suddenly evaporate? Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
- Raven is saying "JarJar might be suspicious but might not be". What's the point of saying so? Someone is suspicious or not. Mafia tends to do that because they would already know they are accusing a townie and it's easier to retract from your accusation if you give yourself an out in the first place.
- "Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling". Spreading fear. There is no point saying this kinda stuff if you are town. We need discussion and you are not promoting it here at all. You are doing the opposite. This is not townielike at all.
I think TheRavensName is mafia. Something that your missing is the fact he calls me out for "Spreading Fear" by saying I'm wrong to say Day 1 is scary, but he himself is already doing that by calling out the only two people who have said something along those lines and also he just sort of drops the whole thing he had on Jar Jar who was saying the same thing. WIFOM Warning for coming far too early in the game + Show Spoiler +Per chance it was a set up, with Jarjar posting, Ray respnding, and then they team up on whoever takes the bait (me.) I also again did not meant to say he was supicious, but how his actions could be seen as suspicious. I would not defend him in that same post if I really thought he was supicious. In my opnion, I think Ray is just someone swinging out for the blood of an early myslynch and he is going to keep switching around till he finds one that works enough. Why did he drop Jar to focus on me instead of calling out more people who were lurking? This one gained traction first. So you dislikemy joke vote/ I'll change it for ya. Unvote: GeriptVote: Raynpelikoneet
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On March 23 2013 06:08 nobodywonder wrote:
I think of things, what do you think on these things too?
Well case on virtu is valid, virtu if town has terrible play, honestly I kind of want to curse virtu's play. hasn't done stuff besides defending and saying crazy stuff @Virtu are you town? haha at this pt, at least do a good job of pretending to be town.
I don't think the case is valid at all. Frorgon is saying virtu is suspicious because he called out my aggressive behaviour. virtu later said it was to look for reactions from me. It's completely another thing if Frorgon believes his explanation or not, but the case presented this way has no merit because it's based on false pretenses. I also fail to see how virtu is being "overly defensive". He just called out Rainbow's bad comparsion of behaviour, i wouldn't label that as "overly defensive".
idk about the post about Jar Jar. seems somewhat like a soft defense of Raven, but honestly I can't read too much into it right now. need some more input from frogron, raven and jarjar
I don't understand why Frorgon thinks Raven and JarJar are both scum given what Raven said. First of all, you can't base JarJar's alignment on what Raven says about him. It only gives us clues about Raven's alignment. It's not uncommon for mafia to soft/hard defend townies to make them look worse in case the mafia guy flips. Second of all, do not make connection cases pre-flip, that's just dumb.
So in my eyes Frorgon looks worse.
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TheRavensName:
Why are you ignoring the fact that i called Frorgon out right after he made his post about you and JarJar? You should really read the whole thread and not only the parts that fit into your cases / suspicions.
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On March 22 2013 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 23:03 Frorgon wrote:
What's wrong Raven? You guys trying to cover each other's ass? If they are covering each other, why would JarJar point out Raven's suspicious actions?
Is this what your refering to each other? This is hardly calling him out. Your disagreeing with his post and then just walking away from it, instead of asking him why does he think we are covering each other when Jarjar has called me suspicious.
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On March 23 2013 07:35 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 22 2013 23:03 Frorgon wrote:
What's wrong Raven? You guys trying to cover each other's ass? If they are covering each other, why would JarJar point out Raven's suspicious actions? Is this what your refering to each other? This is hardly calling him out. Your disagreeing with his post and then just walking away from it, instead of asking him why does he think we are covering each other when Jarjar has called me suspicious.
Isn't that exactly what i am asking there?
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On March 23 2013 06:39 nobodywonder wrote:
@JarJar no, i did not take it out of context. that's what I mean. you had your suspicions, but never seemed to act upon til Ray posts. and you do so with a quote of his sentiment. so to me, it does look sheepy.
@Raven, double negative in your post. anyways you seem ...off and perhaps nervous at this thing called scumhunting. why do frorgon and ray worry ypu?
My bad on the Double Neg, sometimes I accidently hit the little mousepaddy thing on the laptop and it moves the cursor so when I reread it I pu the first don't in where it should have been and then forgot to remove the other one. I'm also getting a migrain, been sleeping between my posts, but thats not an excuse.
Its the meta thing man. I basically went after Rainbows for the same reasons I went after Ray and I was completly wrong last game. So I'm nervous about accusing Ray even though he just seems to be swapping around randomly and changing his mind every 5 seconds on who he is convinced is scum.. even rainbows didn't go that far when he was being blood hungry. As to Frorgon, I'm worried about him getting a free pass by just kinda jumping onto issues someone else points out and then skirting away without saying anything. He seems a little scummy to me by trying to force a connection in his one brief post that is counteracted by the evidence so far. His case on Virtu seems more like a sheep onto rainbows and he seems sure of how a godfather acts when he hasn't played one with a godfather yet when we are not certain there even is one. I think he oculd have drawn Godfather himself personally.
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On March 23 2013 07:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 07:35 TheRavensName wrote:On March 22 2013 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 22 2013 23:03 Frorgon wrote:
What's wrong Raven? You guys trying to cover each other's ass? If they are covering each other, why would JarJar point out Raven's suspicious actions? Is this what your refering to each other? This is hardly calling him out. Your disagreeing with his post and then just walking away from it, instead of asking him why does he think we are covering each other when Jarjar has called me suspicious. Isn't that exactly what i am asking there?
But there is no follow up by you for the purpose of trying to get an answer out of him would be my point.
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On March 23 2013 07:52 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 07:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 23 2013 07:35 TheRavensName wrote:On March 22 2013 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 22 2013 23:03 Frorgon wrote:
What's wrong Raven? You guys trying to cover each other's ass? If they are covering each other, why would JarJar point out Raven's suspicious actions? Is this what your refering to each other? This is hardly calling him out. Your disagreeing with his post and then just walking away from it, instead of asking him why does he think we are covering each other when Jarjar has called me suspicious. Isn't that exactly what i am asking there? But there is no follow up by you for the purpose of trying to get an answer out of him would be my point.
But that's not true at all. I can't make Frorgon post when i want him to. It was a simple question i assumed he would answer the next time he posts. Which he did. I didn't buy his answer as i explained a couple of posts ago. And i think he is scummy.
I'm not giving anyone a free pass but it definitely does not help i confront Frorgon or anyone about the same things they have not been able to answer to yet. That kinda stuff will only shit up the thread and does not help at all.
So I'm nervous about accusing Ray even though he just seems to be swapping around randomly and changing his mind every 5 seconds on who he is convinced is scum..
Are you intentionally trying to make me look bad? The bolded part is a straight out lie. I have already explained i wanted to hear more from JarJar regarding his comment and about my vote on him. I am not swapping targets at all. I think you have a good chance of being mafia for reasons i have stated before and for trying to make me look bad for reasons which don't hold water. I think Frorgon is suspicious for reasons i have stated a couple of posts ago. Another person of interest for me is Fishgle whose post i think was pretty bad. Krafla has yet to post anything.
So what should i do? Do you think me asking questions from people is "swapping targets"? Should i just be dead set on someone, tunnel them and ignore everything other said in thread? That's what you think?
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I think it's really bad to tunnel an early comment I made which basically amounted to nothing. It was a mere FoS and there was nothing else to say at that point. This reeks of what was done to nobodywonder on Day 1 last time. All I said has largely been rendered moot at this point anyway.
@Raven The quote about a "godfather" was by virtu and not me. I didn't format the post to quote him properly, and obviously can't edit it.
Now it seems like Raven and ray are not too concerned with virtu's disdain for actual scumhunting. I will add ray that you seem to be fine with virtu posting to look for reactions, but in my case it's unacceptable, even though when it was done earlier in the game with less to go on. I don't really see a connection between the two these days either. So you should at least be consistent with your thoughts on that matter.
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Now it seems like Raven and ray are not too concerned with virtu's disdain for actual scumhunting. I will add ray that you seem to be fine with virtu posting to look for reactions, but in my case it's unacceptable, even though when it was done earlier in the game with less to go on. I don't really see a connection between the two these days either. So you should at least be consistent with your thoughts on that matter.
Here's what i find different in your / virtu's reaction test:
virtu said he was looking for my reactions. He did get a reaction from me. After that he said he agreed with me and his question to me was a reaction test. If virtu was mafia, why would he say it was a reaction test in the first place when he doesn't have to? He could just explain he noticed the same thing about me other people did and he is okay with my explanation and understands me better. There is no reason for him to lie "oh, it was a reaction test" when he can easily get away from the argument without lying. Don't get me wrong, this in no way proves virtu is definitely town. I'm just inclined to think this is more likely to be townie behaviour than mafia.
The thing about your reaction test i don't understand is this. If you do reaction tests, you should have some kinda purpose behind this. If you think people you are testing are mafia, you should already have some kind of a clue what you expect them to answer. I don't see what you were trying to achieve with your comment. What is it that you were trying to get out from JarJar & Raven? And why do that with a comment that doesn't make sense in the first place?
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Here's Frorgons 2nd and 3rd posts of the game:
On March 22 2013 23:03 Frorgon wrote:
What's wrong Raven? You guys trying to cover each other's ass?
On March 23 2013 04:16 Frorgon wrote:
@Rainbows
I wasn't necessarily suspicious of Raven. I was trying to provoke some more discussion, because up until that point there hadn't been much. I'd get a gist about Raven based on his response and I think I was fairly successful in that. Comparing it to the previous game I'd say as of now he leans town for me.
Does that first post sound like someone that's trying to provoke discussion or sound like someone accusing people of being scummy? It seems to me that Frorg is clearly trying to imply scumminess. But he's saying that he was just trying to get a reaction, which maybe would be believable if his next post wasn't this:
On March 23 2013 04:26 Frorgon wrote:
@ray
The point I was trying to make was that Raven pointed out jarjar as potentially suspicious, and then later in the same post backed off and said that the behavior could possibly explained. It's a scum move to give the appearance of suspecting someone in order to look useful, only to avoid committing to it later on. in the same post. Huh? I thought you just said that your comment was to provoke discussion, NOT because you thought Raven was scummy?
So while I'm still suspicious of Raven. I don't think he looks as scummy as Frorgon does.
##Unvote: TheRavensName
##Vote: Frorgon
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Vote Count!
All votes must be in the correct format to be counted. You are required to vote.
Virtu (2): Rainbows, Frogon
TheRavensName (1): Raynpelikoneet, JarJarDrinks
Raynpelikoneet (1):TheRavensName, Rainbows
Frogon: (1) JarJarDrinks
JarJarDrinks(0): Raynpelikoneet
Not Voting: (4) Virtu, Fishgle, Krafla, Nobodywonder
Currently, Virtu is set to be lynched! 21 hours until lynch deadline (Sunday, Mar 24 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)). Please let us know if I need to go back to Muggle math class, or if my counting spell is not functioning properly. Can't trust magic for everything!
Edit: WHY DID YOU VOTE FOR GERIPT HES NOT IN THE GAME T.T
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Please add this to the OP.
Krafla
TheRavensName
JarJarDrinks
Rainbows
nobodywonder
Frogron
Fishgle
raynpelikoneet
virtu
We're all thinking it, I'm just doing the legwork. /grumble grumble
Also: Is that geript vote really on the votecount. . . And I need sleep. We need to consolidate votes by deadline or this is going to end up in a shitfest. Kill virtu with fire kthnx, bigger post inc in morning
I want people who aren't voting to make a stance so I can analyze this lynch. Last minute shenanigans are not something to be desired.
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All complaints should be directed to Oats. He's the lazy one =)
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Everyone who has not voted need to take a look at the cases presented so far and vote for one of them. Or present a case of their own. Otherwise we end up with a shitfest in the last hours of the phase and that's not good.
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On March 23 2013 20:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Everyone who has not voted need to take a look at the cases presented so far and vote for one of them. Or present a case of their own. Otherwise we end up with a shitfest in the last hours of the phase and that's not good.
Way to say exactly what I just said. Good use of reading mechanics.
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Rainbows:
Do you have anything to comment on virtu's defence on his case? What are your thoughts on Frorgon and Fishgle?
nobodywonder:
Why do you think the case on virtu is valid? You asked my thoughts on it, i posted them and you didn't comment on it any more. What are your thoughts on Frorgon and Fishgle?
Frorgon:
You said this:
I'd get a gist about Raven based on his response and I think I was fairly successful in that. Comparing it to the previous game I'd say as of now he leans town for me.
Can you explain a bit better your town read on Raven? How exactly does his behaviour in last game compared to this one comes up as town? Also, what do you think of Fishgle?
Raven:
What do you think of Fishgle atm?
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Virtu best lynch USA
On March 22 2013 23:33 virtu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I didn't mean you, i meant the other players who posted after nobodywonder FoS'd you.
Don't you find it odd that people do not talk anything relevant to the game when there is stuff to talk about? I understand people's first posts usually say nothing (or very little) but when there is something to talk about (in this case three votes and a FoS and at least one post i found interesting and worth questioning) there is no excuse to continue with posting something that does not help you find mafia.
I'm a fan of posting constructively and of posting relevant content that helps with scumhunting, but I'd just like to point two things out, firstly that it's very early in the first day, and a bit of banter shouldn't be seen as dodging posting constructively. Secondly, a few of these votes are policy votes, joke votes or votes based on a previous game. Whilst these votes DO generate discussion, it does so between the person voting and the votee. It's difficult for an outsider to post directly on these votes until a response has been made by the person being voted for, and some discussion has been generated. Which is, for example, why my opening post contained a hello and a comment about flavour. However this is no excuse to lurk for half of the day, discussion should be generated ASAP. Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 22:53 JarJarDrinks wrote:OK, now a post has stood out to me. This seems scummy: On March 22 2013 22:28 TheRavensName wrote:
I gotta agree that jarjars post and hostility might be a little suspicious... however I know I did something similar in the last nmm and ended up doing some pretty decent work so I see no reason to punish it till after other people show up. Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling. Pointing out that I'm suspicious and hostile (am I being hostile?) to make sure everybody else is aware of it but then posting a weak defense for me. Basically telling everyone: You should suspect jarjar, but I don't. Another thing this post does that I don't like is semi-imply that it's OK to...don't know how to put it but it's OK to post less, semi-lurk or be unsure of contributing just because it's day 1 and historically tough to weed mafia out. This is infact the opposite, if anything day1 should be as discussion-filled as possible BECAUSE it's harder to find mafia d1, more effort, posts and discussion are needed. As town, you should NEVER be afraid to post. Speak your mind, as long as you keep your thoughts constructive and concise so you aren't misconstrued as trying to cause chaos in the thread you'll be fine. Sidenote: I know the two halves of this post kind of contradict each other - but both are valid points so i'm going to post them together anyway.
This is virtu's first real post. I ask myself: what is he trying to accomplish here? Instead of commenting on the happenings in the thread, it is simply speaking in generalities. Town should be doing this, we should be generating discussion this way. Guys, obviously I'm pro-town if I'm suggesting we do these pro-town things but not actually do them.
How does this post further towns agenda of finding scum? It doesn't. It's a pretty generic post that serves no real purpose on than for people to go "Ahh! Yes! This fine TLer right here, he is advocating pro-town things!"
Here's the post that really caught my attention:
On March 23 2013 00:48 virtu wrote:
So far the only person that's really caught my attention is ray, for how aggressive he's being, the speed of which he's exchanged his focus and vote. These are all points that have been brought up by others, but it's the only truly suspicious thing happening atm.
@ray what do you hope to achieve by switching focus at the drop of a pin with your agressiveness? two or three more posts like that and you're going after half the thread. Do you think this is an effective way to find mafia? why?
At this point in time, I had just made a post on Ray and voted him. Virtu steps in a page later and simply casts his 'suspicion' upon him. Why is this post scummy? Because virtu is not attempting to find scum on his own. . . he is content at using my post on Ray in order to justify his 'read'. Town want to search all possible avenues, but apparently the only thing that has caught his attention is something I earlier put in bold. There was plenty of other things scummy in the thread at the time that nobody mentioned (see: frogron question). Why is virtu not trying to find scum himself? And he hasn't all game long.
I won't comment on the Godfather incident.
On March 23 2013 01:40 virtu wrote:
It is too early to go after lurkers but not too early to notice they aren't really posting, which they should start doing asap. Outside opinions on the back and forth between you and raven, and rainbow's colourful (pun intended) contributions would be nice.
What the hell is this post trying to say? So we should not go after lurkers (easy target) but we should definitely notice they aren't doing shit! So yeah guys, be suspect of lurkers right now. Pretty paramount that we notice those lurkers aren't posting, because, you know, that gets us places.
virtu's defence
On March 23 2013 02:50 virtu wrote:
If you take the GF thing seriously, you're stupid. I'm clearly responding to your utterly ridiculous attempt at calling me scum with an equally ridiculous response. Simple as that.
Also, your comparison is terrible, I'm ADMITTING i'm not adding anything to the thread in my own post because I know I'm not, and I have nothing to add at that moment in time. Still, I post it because it's better to post whether I agree/disagree with things others have said than to not post at all, even if it is one way scum hide amongst townies.
In AD's post he accidentally adds in the fact that he's sheeping others, in a post trying to look like he's adding to the thread. they're completely different posts.
Basically flails his arms at me and calls me stupid, which made me giggle on the inside. Firstly, the comparison between his post and AD's post is concrete, dispute that all you want. Was a scummy post yo. In reference to the bolded, wtf? So you should post to agree / disagree and act all scummy as hell? IF THIS IS YOUR PHILOSOPHY ON PLAYING TOWN, PLEASE LEAVE SIR. virtu refuses to find scum on his own. AT ALL!
I also thought his response to the Fishgle post was interesting. But that's for another day.
Synopsis:
- virtu posts paragraphs that do nothing to further towns agenda.
- virtu doesn't hunt scum all game, and refuses to.
- virtu openly sheeps with zero original thinking, but we should be suspect of lurkers.
virtu best lynch right now, gonna be flippin' scum all over this bitch.
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On March 23 2013 21:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rainbows:
Do you have anything to comment on virtu's defence on his case? What are your thoughts on Frorgon and Fishgle?
See above.
Frorgon seems to be on the wagon of great justice, so he seems alright to me.
Fishgle hasn't done anything besides be bad at this game so far.
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This inactivity is also pissing me off. Wake the fuck up if you're town. Ironically, I have to go to work now.
In short, vote virtu win game.
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I can actually see your case on virtu now that you summed it up. Definitely looking forward to his response.
I'm still keeping my vote on Raven. He's voting me for trying to figure out stuff (lol), and for changing my mind every 5 seconds (lie). He's also adding more fuel on me by saying i didn't confront Frorgon (which i did) and when i explained that he said i lack the conclusion (lie). Other than that he has done very litte. His other suspect is Frorgon but he doesn't seem to want to figure out where Frorgon's head is at. He says Frorgon is suspicious but he doesn't want to investigate in that matter further. Every other thing he has commented is "JarJar made a suspicious post but i don't think he is that suspicious". His play makes no sense from town point of view.
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Oh btw Rainbows:
virtu said his suspicion on me was a reaction test later on. Do you not believe him?
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Its either a terrible truth or scum lying out his ass. Either way, its not worth speculating.
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Actually it is, because if he is telling the truth it is scumhunting (and part of your case is his lack of scumhunting). He could have definitely done more with his posts, i give you that. My concern is that there are other people who have done far less than virtu has. I still think virtu is at least making sense in his post (compared to people like Raven & Fishgle).
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I can agree with you on fishgle. But imo raven just seems emotional and not nonsensical. Virtu is making sense, if thats how you want to put it, but that sense is anti-town from what ive seen.
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Hmmm, my opinion of Fish? Theres not much to form an opinion of outside his two list posts. I agree with Ray in thinking the cop comment was a terrible choice, so much so that I wouldn't have been surprised if it was a fish for a reaction, especially sense if they nail our blue day 1 were in pretty bad shape. Plus he doesn't think any of the active people should be interrogated, just the lurkers and... himself? That seems like... quite an odd choice., especially if hes going to lurk so hard and is Mafia. At this point I'm getting a sort of null read, with a slight mafia ting to it. Even though its sorto f my logic as well, I can't help but feel the pushing for Ray to shut up combined with his preference towards lurker interrogating and the possible blue bait attempt, It all adds up to either sloppy and poor play, or mafia play dsguised that way.
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Raven, that entire paragraph to say you have a null tell. :/ rly.
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@rayn
Looking over fishgle's filter, he hasn't said a lot, but what he has said so far hasn't been good. Starts off with a suggestion that you are the cop. Maybe to see if someone would be dumb enough to blue claim or give hints on who the blue might be.
Then he goes on to list all the lurkers we should be suspicious of, doesn't scumhunt, and gets upset about aggressive scumhunting behavior. Then he lurks. Pretty similar to virtu actually.
As far as Raven, I thought he was generally trying to explain things in a clear and concise way. However, I'm not feeling as good about him as time passes by. I mean last game he was pretty on the ball with reads but this game he seems to be off. Obviously I think his read on me is poor based on one little comment I made. Mad that I drew attention to him? And his read on you just doesn't make any sense, as in my eyes you have been actively scumhunting so far. Meanwhile, he soft defends virtu and instead tries to draw everyone back to me and draw paralells.
On March 23 2013 07:50 TheRavensName wrote:
His case on Virtu seems more like a sheep onto rainbows and he seems sure of how a godfather acts when he hasn't played one with a godfather yet when we are not certain there even is one. I think he oculd have drawn Godfather himself personally.
Here is his only mention of virtu. Given the fact that two people are suspicious of virtu right now and made cases, you would think he would have offered an opinion. Instead he just says I'm sheeping and avoids the issue entirely. Calls me out for talking about a godfather even though it was virtu who said that and I just didn't quote properly.
So in my opinion virtu is still the most overt scum candidate so far for discouraging scumhunting and whining when he gets called out. I like to go for the most overt ones first. But if for some reason we need to consolidate votes I could probably vote for Raven too. And I'd like fishgle to post more.
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Now if we lynch virtu and he flips scum, we'll have two people who defended him. But in ray's case I think he could just be wrong in trusting virtu. Raven on the other hand seems to be trying to avoid the issue altogether. At least ray wasn't afraid to post an opinion.
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After Rainbows summed up his case on virtu i now have a better clue why he is actually voting for him. Correct me if i am wrong but you basically have the same reasons?
What's bothering me the most at the moment that the good activity level we had early on in the game has dropped to basically zero. virtu disappeared last night. Fishgle made a post about what we should do and then he went back to lurk mode after i called him out for his post. He isn't even following his own advice!! Krafla is MIA. nobodywonder disappeared when we had some good discussion on last night. JarJarDrinks posted his case on you and stopped doing anything after that. It's basically we four here discussing the same topics over and over again.
Again, i would really recommend you to not make connection cases pre-flip. You can't know for sure what anyone will flip unless you are mafia. Townies can defend mafiosi, it's not uncommon at all, and vice versa. After someone flips you need to look for who accused/defended them and for what reasons. Being wrong in itself is not scummy. Being wrong for wrong reasons (or for reasons that do not make sense) however is (like i feel that's the case with Raven here).
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Oh i forget. Frorgon i still want you to answer this:
The thing about your reaction test i don't understand is this. If you do reaction tests, you should have some kinda purpose behind this. If you think people you are testing are mafia, you should already have some kind of a clue what you expect them to answer. I don't see what you were trying to achieve with your comment. What is it that you were trying to get out from JarJar & Raven? And why do that with a comment that doesn't make sense in the first place?
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##unvote Raynpelikoneet
##vote: Frorgon
I can see that it is unlikely I will get a lynch off of Ray, and I'm starting to view him more like an aggressive townie like rainbows the more this goes on. I'm siwtching my vote to Frorgon, basically because hes lurking pretty had and acting suspicious and non contributing when he actually is here (Via pushing connection cases off of nothing.) Truth be told, your reminding me of arctic, someone who would probably get away if he lurked a little more and only makes himself look bad whenever he posts. I haven't posted against V simply because I don't think hes scum. I don't see a way to defend him, nor do I feel like I should, but I don't feel like I should go after him if I don't feel hes an issue.
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What the hell do you mean by V?
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On March 24 2013 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What the hell do you mean by V?
Virtu. I have a bad habbit of forgetting peoples names as I type them, so I put their first letter and sometimes forget to go back and fix it when I'm done.
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On March 24 2013 04:09 TheRavensName wrote:
##unvote Raynpelikoneet
##vote: Frorgon
I can see that it is unlikely I will get a lynch off of Ray, and I'm starting to view him more like an aggressive townie like rainbows the more this goes on. I'm siwtching my vote to Frorgon, basically because hes lurking pretty had and acting suspicious and non contributing when he actually is here (Via pushing connection cases off of nothing.) Truth be told, your reminding me of arctic, someone who would probably get away if he lurked a little more and only makes himself look bad whenever he posts. I haven't posted against V simply because I don't think hes scum. I don't see a way to defend him, nor do I feel like I should, but I don't feel like I should go after him if I don't feel hes an issue.
Holy shit this post screams of scum. "He's lurking pretty bad and acting suspicious and non contributing when he actually is here." Are you serious? THIS is an arctic style post. First of all, there are a lot of pretty bad lurkers right now. I don't even consider myself even slightly lurking. And "acting suspicious" but you didn't elaborate as to why? Lastly, you are still trying to avoid talking about virtu, now just making it completely obvious. "I don't think he's scum" isn't a good enough explanation.
Basically you are switching to me because your case against ray didn't stick and there's another person voting for me.
Congratulations, you are now the most obvious scum.
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Rayn, can you clarify what you mean by "raven [could be wrong] for the wrong reasons"? To me, it seems like all he's done is defend himself, and that to me isn't scummy.
yea, I haven't been following my own advice. Woops.
as for virtu, I really don't think there's any reason to vote for him. He has some vapid posts and then some angry defensive ones. Again, defending yourself doesn't make you guilty.
Rainbow is tunneling too hard on virtu, and basically refuses to look at other options. I find that really odd. Virtu made 1 defensive post, in which he got clearly angry. And somehow it's gotten 2 votes on virtu, by himself and Frogron, who I think is also suspicious. Furthermore, he has strange bouts of language. "what does though thinkest of me?" ""Ahh! Yes! This fine TLer right here, he is advocating pro-town things!" "IF THIS IS YOUR PHILOSOPHY ON PLAYING TOWN, PLEASE LEAVE SIR" etc. Either he's normally that theatric, or it bubbles up whenever he bullshits. I think it's the latter.
But the most suspicious to me is still rayn. He's been such a flurry of fingers that no one is looking at him (apart from Raven, I guess). Every time he has gotten called out, he carefully points a finger in a different direction. So, I still have my eye on you, rayn.
But anyway. ##Vote:Rainbows
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On March 24 2013 05:29 Fishgle wrote:
Rayn, can you clarify what you mean by "raven [could be wrong] for the wrong reasons"? To me, it seems like all he's done is defend himself, and that to me isn't scummy.
Earlier i said this:
I'm still keeping my vote on Raven. He's voting me for trying to figure out stuff (lol), and for changing my mind every 5 seconds (lie). He's also adding more fuel on me by saying i didn't confront Frorgon (which i did) and when i explained that he said i lack the conclusion (lie). Other than that he has done very litte. His other suspect is Frorgon but he doesn't seem to want to figure out where Frorgon's head is at. He says Frorgon is suspicious but he doesn't want to investigate in that matter further. Every other thing he has commented is "JarJar made a suspicious post but i don't think he is that suspicious". His play makes no sense from town point of view.
If you can't find out where those things have happened, you are clearly not reading the thread. I'm not going to quote half of my & Raven's posts just because you are too lazy to read.
But the most suspicious to me is still rayn. He's been such a flurry of fingers that no one is looking at him (apart from Raven, I guess). Every time he has gotten called out, he carefully points a finger in a different direction. So, I still have my eye on you, rayn.
What do you mean by "pointing a finger in a different direction"? I'm trying to figure out who is mafia, something that you know, includes questioning people and telling what do you think of them and watching out how people react to different things. If you think that's suspicious then you do. I think that's what playing mafia is about.
But anyway. ##Vote:Rainbows
If i am the most suspicious person why are you voting for Rainbows instead?
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@Frorgorn, you still haven't responded to this. Can you explain why the 2 posts responding to ray and rainbows contradict each other?
Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 09:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:Here's Frorgons 2nd and 3rd posts of the game: On March 22 2013 23:03 Frorgon wrote:
What's wrong Raven? You guys trying to cover each other's ass? On March 23 2013 04:16 Frorgon wrote:
@Rainbows
I wasn't necessarily suspicious of Raven. I was trying to provoke some more discussion, because up until that point there hadn't been much. I'd get a gist about Raven based on his response and I think I was fairly successful in that. Comparing it to the previous game I'd say as of now he leans town for me. Does that first post sound like someone that's trying to provoke discussion or sound like someone accusing people of being scummy? It seems to me that Frorg is clearly trying to imply scumminess. But he's saying that he was just trying to get a reaction, which maybe would be believable if his next post wasn't this: On March 23 2013 04:26 Frorgon wrote:
@ray
The point I was trying to make was that Raven pointed out jarjar as potentially suspicious, and then later in the same post backed off and said that the behavior could possibly explained. It's a scum move to give the appearance of suspecting someone in order to look useful, only to avoid committing to it later on. in the same post. Huh? I thought you just said that your comment was to provoke discussion, NOT because you thought Raven was scummy? So while I'm still suspicious of Raven. I don't think he looks as scummy as Frorgon does. ##Unvote: TheRavensName
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Crap, I haven't voted or read anything today (it's my birthday) and I'm just about to go to bed. Uhm I can vote for myself legally right so I don't get mod killed? I'll try and make it up tomorrow, sorry!
##Vote: Krafla
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Vote Count!
All votes must be in the correct format to be counted. You are required to vote.
Frorgon: (2) JarJarDrinks, TheRavensName
TheRavensName (2): Raynpelikoneet, Frogon, JarJarDrinks
Virtu (1): Rainbows, Frogon
Rainbows (1): Fishgle
Krafla (1): Krafla
JarJarDrinks (0): Raynpelikoneet
Raynpelikoneet (0): TheRavensName, Rainbows
Not Voting: (2) Virtu, Nobodywonder
Currently, Frorgon is set to be lynched! 1.5 hours until lynch deadline 01:00 GMT (+00:00). Please let us know if I need to go back to Muggle math class, or if my counting spell is not functioning properly. Can't trust magic for everything!
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On March 24 2013 08:19 Krafla wrote:
Crap, I haven't voted or read anything today (it's my birthday) and I'm just about to go to bed. Uhm I can vote for myself legally right so I don't get mod killed? I'll try and make it up tomorrow, sorry!
##Vote: Krafla
The hell?
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Okay, that's fucking unacceptable. It takes max 10 minutes to even skim through the thread and look at the cases presented so far.
##Unvote: TheRavensName
##Vote: Krafla
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Seriously. If there is any townie online, vote for Krafla. There is no reason to let him get away with that shit.
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Day 1 over. No posting until the Night post (soon™)
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Night 1
Pictures are overrated anyways.
Corazón had decided to accompany Jimmy down to the Great Hall to make sure the Slytherins weren’t targeting him due to the “accident” last night. At breakfast, they received their schedules.
“Oh, double potions with Snape and the Slytherins! Why does the world hate me!” Corazón cried out in anguish, throwing his schedule on the table. “What’s your first class, Jimmy?”
“I have Charms with Professor Flitwick. Sounds like a blast!” Jimmy replied, an excited smile on his face.
“Very nice, remember to pronounce the spells correctly, and don’t forget to swish and flick.” Corazon said, chuckling to himself.
All of a sudden, another student came to Corazón and Jimmy’s table and said, “Corazón, we need your help with a situation. We think we might have found a Slytherin in disguise. Come with me!”
Corazón and the student went out of the great hall and towards the fourth floor, leaving Jimmy to peruse over his schedule. When they got to the fourth floor, they found a bunch of students circled around one student, who was being restrained by two other students.
“What seems to be the problem here?” Corazón asked, taking a good look at the student.
“We found him messing around with the pixie cages Professor Lockhart’s classroom. We think he might be a Slytherin trying to create chaos in the the school” a student replied back.
“I swear I wasn’t trying to release them! Professor Lockhart released them while I was visiting his office and he just ran away and told me to clean it up! I was only trying to put them back. How can you even think I’m a Slytherin? I have a Ravenclaw badge on! My name is TheRavensName! It even has “Raven” in it!” he responded, trying to plead Corazón from jinxing him and making him go to St. Mungos.
“What’s 3+5?” asked Corazón.
“8? What kind of question is that?” TheRavensName exclaimed with a confused look on his face.
“Well, Ravenclaws are supposed to be smart. That kind of question is beyond the average Slytherin. They have the intelligence and looks of a troll. Let him go for now, but I’m going to keep my eye on you just to make sure you aren’t a Slytherin in disguise.” Corazón said mercifully.
“Thank you! I promise I’m not lyi-”
“Yeah, yeah. Just get out of my sight.”
As TheRavensName left the corridor, a noise was heard coming from Professor Lockhart’s room. Corazón and the others went to investigate. When they entered the room, they discovered Frorgon in front of the cages and 30 pixies around him. He was running around screaming, “Help me! I was only practicing Alohamora and I accidentally hit the pixie cages! I sware I’m not a Slytherin!”
“If you’re not a Slytherin, what’s 3+5?” Corazón shouted at him.
“Uhhh...Uhhh 7? No! 9? No! 8! It’s 8! Help me! Don’t leave me here with these beasts!” Frorgon yelled, frantically waving his arms in a futile effort to get rid of the pixies.
“He’s obviously a Slytherin. He can’t count. Let’s leave him to the pixies” Corazón said coldly. With that, they all walked out of the room, Corazón casting Colloportus on the door, sealing both the door and Frorgon’s fate.
However, they noticed the next day that the same amount of students sat at the Slytherin table and that many St. Mungo’s workers had come to Hogwarts. “Maybe 3+5 isn’t 8 in the wizarding world” some wondered.
Frorgon, as a Dumbledore’s Army Member, was attacked by pixies until traumatized! He’s also going back to math school.
It is now Night 1, you all have 23 hours (until Monday, Mar 25 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)) to submit your night actions. The day will begin an hour after.
Remember, flavor is just flavor.
Final Vote Count+ Show Spoiler +
Frorgon: (2) JarJarDrinks, TheRavensName
Krafla (2): Krafla, Raynpelikoneet
TheRavensName (1): Frorgon, JarJarDrinks,Raynpelikoneet
Virtu (1): Rainbows, Frorgon
Rainbows (1): Fishgle
JarJarDrinks (0): Raynpelikoneet
Raynpelikoneet (0): TheRavensName, Rainbows
Not Voting: (2) Virtu, Nobodywonder
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seriously guys...blarf...
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i don't think i've ever seen someone lynched with 2 votes before
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Is night like no-post time or something?
This lynch was deplorable, and it's absolutely horrendous to wake up to. I figured there would be two wagons that we could analyze but instead someone just got lynched with TWO votes... Anyway, I'm not going to waste time getting mad over this. Posting stuff after resolution, hopefully it can wake some of you guys up.
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The worst part is we should have definitely lynched Krafla. There is no question about it. Now everyone just gave him a free pass from D1. That's so incredibly dumb.
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On March 24 2013 23:37 Rainbows wrote:
Is night like no-post time or something?
This lynch was deplorable, and it's absolutely horrendous to wake up to. I figured there would be two wagons that we could analyze but instead someone just got lynched with TWO votes... Anyway, I'm not going to waste time getting mad over this. Posting stuff after resolution, hopefully it can wake some of you guys up.
Its generally ill advised to post till late in the night, so you can't give the mafia a new target. But if you do it at the last second they likely won't have time to change it and you can safely make whatever case you wish.
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On March 25 2013 00:33 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2013 23:37 Rainbows wrote:
Is night like no-post time or something?
This lynch was deplorable, and it's absolutely horrendous to wake up to. I figured there would be two wagons that we could analyze but instead someone just got lynched with TWO votes... Anyway, I'm not going to waste time getting mad over this. Posting stuff after resolution, hopefully it can wake some of you guys up. Its generally ill advised to post till late in the night, so you can't give the mafia a new target. But if you do it at the last second they likely won't have time to change it and you can safely make whatever case you wish.
This way you also make it impossible to analyze why mafia hit the person they did. Good job there...
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On March 25 2013 00:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2013 00:33 TheRavensName wrote:On March 24 2013 23:37 Rainbows wrote:
Is night like no-post time or something?
This lynch was deplorable, and it's absolutely horrendous to wake up to. I figured there would be two wagons that we could analyze but instead someone just got lynched with TWO votes... Anyway, I'm not going to waste time getting mad over this. Posting stuff after resolution, hopefully it can wake some of you guys up. Its generally ill advised to post till late in the night, so you can't give the mafia a new target. But if you do it at the last second they likely won't have time to change it and you can safely make whatever case you wish. This way you also make it impossible to analyze why mafia hit the person they did. Good job there...
Analyze what? It leads to WIFOM. You make a case against a townie and then they shoot you,that townie is now instant suspect number one. I'm just giving you the explinations I was given when I asked last time why no one was talking at night.
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So we are arguing about if we should waste 24 hours by not talking in a game where talking is pretty much the only way for town to win this game unless you want to plain out guess who is mafia. I don't care what explinations you have been given but that's just really stupid.
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So on D2 you want to analyze who mafia hit based on what people did D1? Excuse me but how is that any less WIFOMy than if you had information from BOTH D1 and N1?
I'd rather base my reads on two phases than one and i can't figure out why you think that is worse. You are either mafia or really really stupid.
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On March 25 2013 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The worst part is we should have definitely lynched Krafla. There is no question about it. Now everyone just gave him a free pass from D1. That's so incredibly dumb. Ray, I think I've been on the same page as you most of this game. But I have to disagree with you on this one. I was online @ the deadline and could have switched to Krafla. But giving him a free pass from day 1 wasn't a concern of mine. I voted Frorgon because I thought he was the most likely to be scum. And while Kraflas one post was pretty terrible, it wasn't enough to give me a scum read. @ least nowhere near the read I had Frogorn.
When you voted for Krafla, was it because you thought he was the most likely person to be scum?
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Yes, because he refused to contribute anything to the day 1 lynch. It would have taken like 10 minutes to look at the cases and vote for the candidate he thought is most likely to be mafia. Now we can't base a read on him for the whole day 1 because either way (town/scum) he has information about who flipped and what and who voted for who.
And a selfvote is definitely not a town tell. Because everyone thinks it is! Look at the time, he confidently comes back 1,5 hours before the lynch when it's already reasonable to assume a lot of people won't be here. Look at the post in itself. He's already confident he won't get lynched. He says "he'll try and make it up tomorrow".
Well guess what Krafla. It's tomorrow now. You better start posting.
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If you were online, why didn't you say anything after the flip?
Why did you wait until now to come up with this?
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I mean, i can understand people not switching their votes (although i think it was really really stupid), but you could have said something about your thoughts after the phase change.
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On March 25 2013 03:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you were online, why didn't you say anything after the flip?
Why did you wait until now to come up with this? For one, I was also under the impression night phase talking might be frowned upon. But also, I didn't really see the need to say anything. I was only responding to your post to say I disagreed w/ you about how not giving him a free pass was a good reason to vote for him.
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Look, i try to explain better.
Barring some very rare situations, selfvoting is like playing against your victory condition, whatever alignmnet you are. Unless you want to take a risk that people won't actually lynch you because "you're sorry" or "i'll make this up later" or whatever bullshit. There is no reason why Krafla shouldn't have voted a person he thinks is mafia, whatever he bases his vote on (fuck, even randomly voting for someone is better than a selfvote). He can't possibly think he himself is mafia if he is town. There is no excuse to let him live for what he did.
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If Krafla does not contribute on D2, are you willing to lynch him in the end of D2? If yes, then why didn't you want to lynch him in the end of D1? His behaviour did not change and you didn't find it scummy enough to lynch for it before. It's pretty simple logic. I hate when people get away with this kinda stuff Krafla did.
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On March 25 2013 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If Krafla does not contribute on D2, are you willing to lynch him in the end of D2? If yes, then why didn't you want to lynch him in the end of D1? As I said already, I didn't vote for him because I thought Frogorn was more likely to be scum. I can't tell you exactly what I'm willing to do @ the end of day 2. If Krafla doesn't contribute again than he's certainly someone I'm gonna suspect. But if I have a better scum read on someone, than that's where my vote is going.
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So you are basically giving someone an option to hardcore lurk if you just find someone more scummy?
That's what is the problem this game. People are afraid to vote for actually scummy actions and in general afraid to make decisions (we had two people not voting at all). There is no way we are going to find scum if everyone is afraid of giving their opinion about things.
I get you about keeping your vote on Frorgon. But how can Krafla say anything more scummy than anyone if people are okay with him saying nothing in the first place? That's the scummiest thing there is. Not saying anything at all.
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On March 25 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you are basically giving someone an option to hardcore lurk if you just find someone more scummy? In a manner of speaking. But if he continues to lurk how he has been (especially w/ all the FoSing that I'm sure will be headed his way come daytime) then I doubt anyone else will appear as scummy to me. But you never know, someone could make a real bad slip up.
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I really wish I could read more into his self vote. I would have thought Mfia would jump on it if hes townie but I guess if they knew we were getting a townie anyways... maybe they didn't wanna risk suspicion.
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On March 25 2013 04:36 TheRavensName wrote:
I really wish I could read more into his self vote. I would have thought Mfia would jump on it if hes townie but I guess if they knew we were getting a townie anyways... maybe they didn't wanna risk suspicion.
There was no reason for mafia to jump on Krafla if he is town. Mafia does not want unnecessary attention. They would be getting a townie lynched anyways. Unless me and you are both mafia and feared someone might throw a third vote on you. Which is really stupid to start with.
There was obviously no reason for mafia to jump on Krafla if he was mafia. I think this does not need better explanation?
It tells nothing about other people. It only tells that Krafla was unwilling to take a stance on this D1 lynch.
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3.5 hours left for those night actions! Make sure you pm all of the hosts with your night actions!
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Good Evening, sorry I've put you all into a compromising position.
Last night, genuinely I was in bed just about to fall asleep when I remembered that I hadn't voted and the day was about to end, I panicked, grabbed my phone and thought who should I vote for. I thought a vote for myself was the most transparent and truthful vote. I hadn't read any of the day, or any of the arguments, I didn't know who was up for being lynched (for all I knew it could've been me) so I thought rather than pick someone out of the hat or just jump on the person with the most votes and get called out for 'sheeping', a vote on myself said, 'Look, I'm telling the truth'. For the 30 seconds it took me to log on and tap out my message I honestly thought voting for myself was the best thing to do for the town.
In retrospect now I can see how it looks scummy, but at the same time if I'd voted for anyone else (especially considering how spread out the votes were last night) I think I would've looked even summier.
I'm going to go and properly read through what happened in Day 1 now and let you know who I wouldn't voted for, trying not to take into consideration what happened at the end of the day.
Once again, sorry. We're all newbies here though right? At least I'll know not to make that mistake again
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EBWOP
..let you know who I would've voted for..
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There is no point in telling who would you have voted for and stuff. The lynch went as it went already. It's irrelevant and whatever you say does not tell us anything because we can't do anything about it any more.
Just tell us who do you think is mafia and why.
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Initially I didn't like your posting ray. I found it overly aggressive however it served it's purpose and it got some discussion going and you seemed to calm down a bit later on.
Now looking back over the entire thread, where let's be honest not much happened and there was never a consensus on anyone, I can see why the Day 1 lynch went down like it did. However in all of the posts virtu sticks out for me the most. I think Rainbows makes a few good points on virtu, especially when virtu out and out suggests that Rainbows is a Godfather, that's never going to be a clever move no matter which side you're on, surely? I think virtu realises the mistake he has made though by backpeddaling pretty quickly:
On March 23 2013 02:50 virtu wrote:
If you take the GF thing seriously, you're stupid. I'm clearly responding to your utterly ridiculous attempt at calling me scum with an equally ridiculous response. Simple as that.
It may well be a ridiculous response, but it's not even on the same level, speculating roles that early in the game.
I think the thing that irks me the most about virtu calling Rainbows a godfather is that fact that he doesn't vote for him. If you think he's the Godfather and you're town, well done, you've found the Godfather, push for him to get lynched that, GG. If you're not serious, dn't mention it, it's only going to make you look like a bad townie, or a mafia trying to cover themselves.
Virtu keeps posting and saying he doesn't have anything to add yet because nothing has happened, yet then he doesn't vote for anyone.
He's waiting and waiting to not vote, and he doesn't come back and vote. Granted I almost didn't vote, but I hadn't posted at all during the day. If I'd made a few reads on people during the first 48 hours and I'd made a few comments and I knew I wasn't necessarily going to be back for the evening, I'd through a vote out there on who I thought was the scummiest at that time. Holding your vote back so late that you don't actually use it seems to me like you're scared that your vote will reveal too much about yourself.
I think the other thing that screams virtu as being suspicious right now is that after Rainbows comes after him he doesn't attempt to defend himself. Is he preffering to not vote as opposed to vote and prove he's around and therefore have to defend himself? I guess it's a calculated risk choosing to not vote and break the rules over implicating yourself further if you're mafia.
If it wasn't the night right now, I'd be firmly stamping my vote down for virtu right now.
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Wow there's some attrocious spelling and grammar errors in there but I think you get the jist of what I'm trying to say.
Also look at the double 'right now' in that last sentence. You know you've been watching too much StraCraft when, heh.
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atrocious*
Dear Jesus put me down now.
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The deadline to submit night actions has passed. Day post will be up in a little less than an hour. Posting is still allowed.
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Okay, time to go to sleep, but first:
I feel a bit better about Krafla after his post.
I still don't like Raven for the reasons i stated on D1. And for our exchange on N1.
I don't like Fishgle. His only contribution to the game is this post:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 24 2013 05:29 Fishgle wrote:
Rayn, can you clarify what you mean by "raven [could be wrong] for the wrong reasons"? To me, it seems like all he's done is defend himself, and that to me isn't scummy.
yea, I haven't been following my own advice. Woops.
as for virtu, I really don't think there's any reason to vote for him. He has some vapid posts and then some angry defensive ones. Again, defending yourself doesn't make you guilty.
Rainbow is tunneling too hard on virtu, and basically refuses to look at other options. I find that really odd. Virtu made 1 defensive post, in which he got clearly angry. And somehow it's gotten 2 votes on virtu, by himself and Frogron, who I think is also suspicious. Furthermore, he has strange bouts of language. "what does though thinkest of me?" ""Ahh! Yes! This fine TLer right here, he is advocating pro-town things!" "IF THIS IS YOUR PHILOSOPHY ON PLAYING TOWN, PLEASE LEAVE SIR" etc. Either he's normally that theatric, or it bubbles up whenever he bullshits. I think it's the latter.
But the most suspicious to me is still rayn. He's been such a flurry of fingers that no one is looking at him (apart from Raven, I guess). Every time he has gotten called out, he carefully points a finger in a different direction. So, I still have my eye on you, rayn.
But anyway. ##Vote:Rainbows
What does it say:
- I am suspicious because i question many people (lol)
- Rainbows is suspicious because he want's virtu lynched and "is tunneling him"
First of all, this is a contradiction. If it's scummy to question many people, how is it scummy to focus just on one person then? What should it be then? Like two people? or three? What the hell?
Also this: You can't get more than one scum lynched per day. Why try to make multiple cases? If one of them is town, scum agree on it and you can't call them out after lynch because you fucking made the case.
The most hilarious part is that he thinks i am the scummiest guy but he votes for Rainbows.
I really wish everyone would contribute more on D2 because noone is really giving me strong town vibe. JarJar i had as almost certainly town before, but i didn't like his N1 posts. I also need to reread virtu's posts and the cases against him from D1, because it seems like a lot of people are suspicious of him. Rainbows and nobodywonder fall on slightly town category, both of them made at least some sense and had actual opinions that seemed like coming from a townie. Rainbows also made the case on virtu and it made sense when he summed it up. I think that cases are more likely to come from townies than from mafia @ D1.
If i die i would really like you to re read my case on Raven. Also do not let Fishgle get away with that kinda shit he posted. And make people contribute. I felt like D1 was really inactive for most of the people. N1 was even worse.
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Just some things I have to say concerning the state of affairs. Gotta get all my shit in before deadline.
Fishgle
There's this vote on me that I can't get my head around:
On March 24 2013 05:29 Fishgle wrote:
Rayn, can you clarify what you mean by "raven [could be wrong] for the wrong reasons"? To me, it seems like all he's done is defend himself, and that to me isn't scummy.
yea, I haven't been following my own advice. Woops.
as for virtu, I really don't think there's any reason to vote for him. He has some vapid posts and then some angry defensive ones. Again, defending yourself doesn't make you guilty.
1.) Rainbow is tunneling too hard on virtu, and basically refuses to look at other options. I find that really odd. Virtu made 1 defensive post, in which he got clearly angry. And somehow it's gotten 2 votes on virtu, by himself and Frogron, who I think is also suspicious.2.)Furthermore, he has strange bouts of language. "what does though thinkest of me?" ""Ahh! Yes! This fine TLer right here, he is advocating pro-town things!" "IF THIS IS YOUR PHILOSOPHY ON PLAYING TOWN, PLEASE LEAVE SIR" etc. Either he's normally that theatric, or it bubbles up whenever he bullshits. I think it's the latter.
3.)But the most suspicious to me is still rayn. He's been such a flurry of fingers that no one is looking at him (apart from Raven, I guess). Every time he has gotten called out, he carefully points a finger in a different direction. So, I still have my eye on you, rayn.
But anyway. ##Vote:Rainbows
1.) This is a weird piece of evidence to use against me. Of all the people in this thread, barring Ray, I believe I was the person who was most all over the place. It's interesting that he uses this logic, especially when half the thread (including himself) have yet to take a stance. I don't see how this is adequate to justify a vote on me.
2.) VERILY GOOD SIR, THOU DOTH REALIZE NOT THE EFFECTIVENESS OF SUCH LANGUAGE! Makes me scum, obviously yo. What kind of reason is that, haha/
3.) Ray is still the most suspicious but you're voting me? GTFO my game, son.
I rather enjoy this vote on me, because it's allowed me to garner some information about Fishgle. The vote and it's reasoning do not make a lot of sense from a town perspective. Other than that, he hasn't done anything this game. Lynching him tomorrow is a good choice.
Virtu
Where has he Been? I've already outlined my case against him. He has yet to contribute anything meaningfuL to the thread and refuses to scumhunt in this game. I really want y'all to lynch this dude tomOrrow, for my scum sensors are going off the Charts on him. I refer all to my original case, and if I live I'll maKe another case seeing how he plays out D2.
He didn't vote on D1 which makes me super wary. (is this even allowed?)
Krafla
DO NOT INSTANTLY LYNCH HIM TOMORROW! Yeah, what he's done was stupid/scummy/retarded what have you, but let him speak. Get answers. He's said he has wanted to be more active in this game -- so let him. There are reasons for town doing that -- like having important IRL shit to do. If we lynch him tomorrow and he flips town, we'll be in the worst position ever tomorrow.
A few notes for the day tomorrow:
- BE ACTIVE! Day 1 was not sufficient enough. The lynch was terrible --- we need information, and lots of it. If you're town, question everyone and be transparent about your suggested lynch target.
- A few people need to really step up their game; TRN, NW included in this list especially. Do the above and prove to the thread your true alignment.
- Ray, calm down. You seem a little confirmation biased in certain spots. I like your aggression, and you're driving discussion, however.
- Keep an eye on NW and JJD. They are the people I have the least concrete read on right now. Just because someone voted for Frogron doesn't make them scum. NW didn't vote as well, and that concerns me as it does virtu.
Apologies for the textiness, there ain't much to quote =\
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Day 2 (I got the date right this time!)
In the weeks that had passed since Frorgon’s terrible run-in with the pixies, it was that time of year again where fear spread throughout the school. So far, no one else had been attacked, but just the mere thought that something like what happened to Frorgon had spread paranoia and fear all across Hogwarts. Students walked along the corridors with their wands drawn and only talked to their closest friends. Everyone else was not trustworthy. Corazón spent his free time in the observatory, watching over his fellow students and making sure that the fear of an attack did not become reality. He had yet to find a real Slytherin, and was confused by the lack of attacks on students. Were the Slytherins going soft on them, or were they planning for an even bigger attack? What was going on?
On a cold, windy night in October, the Gryffindors were sound asleep in their beds. Classes and piles of homework had tired them beyond belief and sleep was the only way to get a break from all of the work. However, there was one student still working by the dying fireplace. Fishgle was quietly working on his Herbology homework when he heard a knock on the potrait door, and a woman’s voice saying, “Don’t you know how late it is? And how could you forget the password? I haven’t changed it in a month!”
“Just let me in, please. I forgot the password and I don’t want to get into any trouble” the student pleaded.
“No. No password, no entry. You’ll have to sleep on the floor” the Fat Lady replied, giving the student an angry look.
“If anyone is in there, please let me in!” the student pleaded. Fishgle, being the nice guy that he is, got up and walked towards the door, watching it open as he passed through it. When it finally opened, he was surprised to see that no one was there. “It must have been in my head, but why not take a look just to make sure” he thought to himself. He took a few steps out of the portrait and looked to his left. No one was there. When he looked to his right, however, he saw a group of mysterious figures right next to him in the pitch black.
“Hello, Fishgle” One of them said. “I specialize in a very specific form of torture on my enemies. I don’t humiliate them, I make them humiliate themselves! Tarantallegra!” and with that, Fishgle began to dance uncontrollably. He started doing the tango, the mumbo, the shuffle, the twist, and every other possible dance move that had ever existed in Muggle culture.
“I think we’ve done our work here. Let’s go boys.” the mysterious shadow said. With that, Fishgle was left on his own to dance his heart out. When he was discovered the next morning, he had fallen seven floors down and landed on one of the moving staircases. His legs were still moving, dancing to the music that was inside of his head.
Fishgle, a Dumbledore’s Army Member was jinxed to dance seven floors down and all the way to St. Mungos!
It is now Day 2. You have 48 hours (until Wednesday, Mar 27 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)) to decide who to lynch!
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This is very interesting!
Fishgle wasn't one of the very active members in Day 1. All he does is throw suspicion on Rainbows and ray and then defends virtu. Initially this is quite a clever mafia kill, he hasn't posted much therefore his death doesn't give us much information. However, lets think about this another way.
Is there any reason for the mafia to want to shoot him? I don't think so, unless mafia want us to believe that Rainbows and Ray are mafia that virtu is town, but that's too easy surely.
Things get interesting however considering both Rainbows and ray's posts after the deadline. Rainbows pins his colours to the mast by saying that Fishgle is his one of him main scum reads going into Day 2 and ray suggests we pressure Fishgle going into Day 2. Now unless Rainbows and ray are both mafia and they're playing the cruelest game with us (in which case we might as well give up now!) I think the mafia have made a mistake.
If the mafia hadn't shot Fishgle they could very easily have jumped on this bandwagon and likely forced a mis-lynch, yet instead they waste their night kill clearing someone's name who a few of us probably thought had a good chance of being scum. I think this is a victory for the town.
I can see the mafia wanting us to go after ray or Rainbows and avoid virtu, I can almost hear the calls of, "but look Fishgle was town and he defended virtu, that must make virtu town" so because of that I'm going to stick with my guns and
##Vote: virtu.
You've got some explaining to do mate.
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I work in IT, got called in and I lost the entire of yesterday to a network crash which involved replacing main switches, had to make a temporary network out of old switches until the new ones arrived etc. I'm terribly tired today but I obviously have a lot of catching up and making up to do, especially since I also learned that whilst I've lurked and read a lot of Mafia on TL, I'm not terribly good at it myself.
Will be reading for a while, I'm also at work for the next 5 hours but I'll try and get some thoughts down, then when I get home I should have time to formulate some thoughts into posts before I fall into an abyss of sleep.
Also - I was roleblocked last night.
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Saw the Fishgle flip before I went to bed, and all I could do was laugh. Bunch of wifom associated with it, and it gives pretty much no information.
Well, I'll give virtu time to do the 'splaining. Meanwhile, everyone is lurking!
@NobodyWonder
You didn't vote D1. You've thrown some shit at a few players but have not given a concrete stance on anybody. There has been little to no scumhunting from you.
On March 23 2013 06:08 nobodywonder wrote:
I think of things, what do you think on these things too?
Well case on virtu is valid, virtu if town has terrible play, honestly I kind of want to curse virtu's play. hasn't done stuff besides defending and saying crazy stuff @Virtu are you town? haha at this pt, at least do a good job of pretending to be town.
idk about the post about Jar Jar. seems somewhat like a soft defense of Raven, but honestly I can't read too much into it right now. need some more input from frogron, raven and jarjar
Especially this quote here, you call virtu 'maybe town with terrible play' and then basically call him scum. You don't vote him... what's with this? Your posts overall seem confident, but lead nowhere in terms of a townie mindset. They toss suspicion here and there, but never push.
Step it up brohan.
##Vote: NobodyWonder
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@Ray
You've been really aggro with your reads. I want your opinion of me this game. Talk with me. The fishgle flip doesn't make either of us look particularly good. A wifom bomb by the mafia perhaps on myself, but I have no idea where it puts you.
What do you think of me, my child? Or, at least, my stance on raven / NW / virtu?
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I still find TheRavensName the most suspicious person. Here is why:
First, this post of his, which i based my case on him on D1:
On March 22 2013 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +I gotta agree that jarjars post and hostility might be a little suspicious... however I know I did something similar in the last nmm and ended up doing some pretty decent work so I see no reason to punish it till after other people show up. Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling. - Raven "agrees with me" that JarJar is hostile. I have never implied i think JarJar is being hostile. Raven is basically saying i think JarJar is hostile which is a pure lie. Because i don't think so. - Raven is saying "JarJar might be suspicious but might not be". What's the point of saying so? Someone is suspicious or not. Mafia tends to do that because they would already know they are accusing a townie and it's easier to retract from your accusation if you give yourself an out in the first place.- "Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling". Spreading fear. There is no point saying this kinda stuff if you are town. We need discussion and you are not promoting it here at all. You are doing the opposite. This is not townielike at all.
Then he tries to make me look bad. Look at this exchange:
On March 23 2013 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
TheRavensName:
Why are you ignoring the fact that i called Frorgon out right after he made his post about you and JarJar? You should really read the whole thread and not only the parts that fit into your cases / suspicions.
On March 23 2013 08:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 07:52 TheRavensName wrote:On March 23 2013 07:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 23 2013 07:35 TheRavensName wrote:On March 22 2013 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 22 2013 23:03 Frorgon wrote:
What's wrong Raven? You guys trying to cover each other's ass? If they are covering each other, why would JarJar point out Raven's suspicious actions? Is this what your refering to each other? This is hardly calling him out. Your disagreeing with his post and then just walking away from it, instead of asking him why does he think we are covering each other when Jarjar has called me suspicious. Isn't that exactly what i am asking there? But there is no follow up by you for the purpose of trying to get an answer out of him would be my point. But that's not true at all. I can't make Frorgon post when i want him to. It was a simple question i assumed he would answer the next time he posts. Which he did. I didn't buy his answer as i explained a couple of posts ago. And i think he is scummy. I'm not giving anyone a free pass but it definitely does not help i confront Frorgon or anyone about the same things they have not been able to answer to yet. That kinda stuff will only shit up the thread and does not help at all.
After this he just drops the issue without even saying if he thinks i'm wrong or if he agrees with me. The accusation in the first place is a lie as i have pointed out very clearly in the quotes.
This masterpiece is from N1:
On March 25 2013 01:01 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2013 00:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 25 2013 00:33 TheRavensName wrote:On March 24 2013 23:37 Rainbows wrote:
Is night like no-post time or something?
This lynch was deplorable, and it's absolutely horrendous to wake up to. I figured there would be two wagons that we could analyze but instead someone just got lynched with TWO votes... Anyway, I'm not going to waste time getting mad over this. Posting stuff after resolution, hopefully it can wake some of you guys up. Its generally ill advised to post till late in the night, so you can't give the mafia a new target. But if you do it at the last second they likely won't have time to change it and you can safely make whatever case you wish. This way you also make it impossible to analyze why mafia hit the person they did. Good job there... Analyze what? It leads to WIFOM. You make a case against a townie and then they shoot you,that townie is now instant suspect number one. I'm just giving you the explinations I was given when I asked last time why no one was talking at night.
Things to notice:
- Raven does not give out his reads at the end of N1. Seems like he would already know he is not going to get night killed.
- He is trying to stall the discussion. There is no reason why we should not scumhunt on night phases. I never said everyone should scream who is scum before the last hour, there are other things you can do. Like find out who is scum by you know, interacting with people..
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Other than that, he has done very litte. The only person other than me he has called out (and tbh even talked about so that he reaches some kinda conclusion) is Frorgon. Who flipped green already. He has no real opinions on anyone other than me, and i have already proven them wrong.
##Vote: TheRavensName
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Really Rainbows you don't think we can learn anything from Fishgle's flip?
Fishgle was basically one of the lurkers, if mafia wanted to I'm sure there was enough doubt to push through a lynch on him in Day 2. Why didn't they pick someone that's been actively scum hunting by throwing a cat among the pigeons and creating a bit of doubt in the town.
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Reading through the 'Possible Roles' on the front page am I right in thinking that none of the possibilities are one-shot roles, because they all say, blah blah blah "Once per night", not once / once per night.
Is this intentional? Can someone please clarify for a newbie, thanks.
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On March 25 2013 22:49 Rainbows wrote:
@Ray
You've been really aggro with your reads. I want your opinion of me this game. Talk with me. The fishgle flip doesn't make either of us look particularly good. A wifom bomb by the mafia perhaps on myself, but I have no idea where it puts you.
What do you think of me, my child? Or, at least, my stance on raven / NW / virtu?
The hit on Fishgle means that either you are mafia or it's WIFOM or mafia is trying to make virtu look better or some combination of those. It's impossible to know at this point so i'd rather not get too much into that.
I think your case on virtu was something to look into after you summed it up. I definitely didn't see virtu in that light before.
Your case on NW now also makes sense. That's a pretty wishy-washy answer from him. I still want to know what has changed now that you find NW more suspicious than virtu? After all all this information was on the table @ the end of D1 and your vote was on virtu then. What has changed?
I don't really know your stance on Raven because i think you have not clearly told it. I just re-read your filter and couldn't find any mention of Raven that says what do you actually think of him besides the comment where you partially agree with me on him. So could you clarify the question?
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I'm gonna go ahead and say that I'm leaning town for raynpelikoneet and Rainbows. If either (or both) of them are playing a real deep game and I'm just not seeing it then so be it. People that try to drive alot of discussion, read town to me.
So while it's possible that Fishgle was chosen to make ray/rain look bad, my guess is the mafia just wanted a sure kill since he was pretty unlikely to be healed, plus he might also be likely to be targetted by a cop which would be a bonus. Maybe they were hoping for some collatoral damage on ray/rain but I doubt that's what drove the decision.
However, I'm not so sure that they'd go ahead and kill someone that was probably gonna make a juicy lynch target for the next day unless they were figuring there were already some townies likely to be lynch targets the next day. Raven and Virtu were both pretty big suspects throughout the day yesterday and Krafla made himself look pretty bad @ the end of the day. So I'd find it hard to believe that there's more than 1 scum out of those 3.
So that leaves nobodywonder who's pretty much disappeared. I haven't been crazy about any his posts so far. Rainbows points some of it out above. Plus he accused me of sheepvoting for Raven yesterday which I clearly wasn't doing.
##Vote: NobodyWonder
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^ woo~ excitement. yee about to get lynched. maybe i can find scum now hopefully.
about the non-vote, i derped hard. I would have voted virtu, but I was out and I forgot...
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well i got a feeling
##Vote: TheRavensName
i got a feeling that today's gonna be a good lynch
On March 24 2013 04:09 TheRavensName wrote:
##unvote Raynpelikoneet
##vote: Frorgon
I can see that it is unlikely I will get a lynch off of Ray, and I'm starting to view him more like an aggressive townie like rainbows the more this goes on. I'm siwtching my vote to Frorgon, basically because hes lurking pretty had and acting suspicious and non contributing when he actually is here (Via pushing connection cases off of nothing.) Truth be told, your reminding me of arctic, someone who would probably get away if he lurked a little more and only makes himself look bad whenever he posts. I haven't posted against V simply because I don't think hes scum. I don't see a way to defend him, nor do I feel like I should, but I don't feel like I should go after him if I don't feel hes an issue.
Raven killed Frogron. bolded words. strange. "I don't see a way to defend him, nor do I feel I should." what does this even mean? as a town mentality, it simply doesn't make any sense, why imply that virtu is town, and then mention no way to defend or should defend V. garbage filler post obvi. no need to mention virtu, and the explanation on frorgon is rather weak. lol he's suspicious, bad cases. nah, frorgon's cases weren't that bad, but at least he was explaining himself and I felt he was townie-ish.
btw @Raven lehhsgo lynch geript and his nutter butter some other time aite ^^
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TRN seems like an iffy lynch for today. I think there is scum between virtu and NW if not both. I think the cases on raven are biased... Saying he is scum because he lynched frogon is stupid, and especially coming from NW considering he could have prevented the lynch.
Guy lets frogon get lynched.
Guy blames other guy for lynching frorgon.
Seems, you know, legit.
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@ Rainbows:
On March 26 2013 04:07 Rainbows wrote:
TRN seems like an iffy lynch for today. I think there is scum between virtu and NW if not both. I think the cases on raven are biased... Saying he is scum because he lynched frogon is stupid, and especially coming from NW considering he could have prevented the lynch.
Guy lets frogon get lynched.
Guy blames other guy for lynching frorgon.
Seems, you know, legit.
What's biased about my case on Raven?
@ nobodywonder:
What do you think about the case on virtu? What do you think about JarJar's analysis on the night hit and his vote on you? Where do you think he is wrong and why?
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On March 25 2013 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:I still find TheRavensName the most suspicious person. Here is why: First, this post of his, which i based my case on him on D1: Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:I gotta agree that jarjars post and hostility might be a little suspicious... however I know I did something similar in the last nmm and ended up doing some pretty decent work so I see no reason to punish it till after other people show up. Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling. - Raven "agrees with me" that JarJar is hostile. I have never implied i think JarJar is being hostile. Raven is basically saying i think JarJar is hostile which is a pure lie. Because i don't think so. - Raven is saying "JarJar might be suspicious but might not be". What's the point of saying so? Someone is suspicious or not. Mafia tends to do that because they would already know they are accusing a townie and it's easier to retract from your accusation if you give yourself an out in the first place.- "Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling". Spreading fear. There is no point saying this kinda stuff if you are town. We need discussion and you are not promoting it here at all. You are doing the opposite. This is not townielike at all. Then he tries to make me look bad. Look at this exchange: Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
TheRavensName:
Why are you ignoring the fact that i called Frorgon out right after he made his post about you and JarJar? You should really read the whole thread and not only the parts that fit into your cases / suspicions. Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 08:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 23 2013 07:52 TheRavensName wrote:On March 23 2013 07:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 23 2013 07:35 TheRavensName wrote:On March 22 2013 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 22 2013 23:03 Frorgon wrote:
What's wrong Raven? You guys trying to cover each other's ass? If they are covering each other, why would JarJar point out Raven's suspicious actions? Is this what your refering to each other? This is hardly calling him out. Your disagreeing with his post and then just walking away from it, instead of asking him why does he think we are covering each other when Jarjar has called me suspicious. Isn't that exactly what i am asking there? But there is no follow up by you for the purpose of trying to get an answer out of him would be my point. But that's not true at all. I can't make Frorgon post when i want him to. It was a simple question i assumed he would answer the next time he posts. Which he did. I didn't buy his answer as i explained a couple of posts ago. And i think he is scummy. I'm not giving anyone a free pass but it definitely does not help i confront Frorgon or anyone about the same things they have not been able to answer to yet. That kinda stuff will only shit up the thread and does not help at all. After this he just drops the issue without even saying if he thinks i'm wrong or if he agrees with me. The accusation in the first place is a lie as i have pointed out very clearly in the quotes. This masterpiece is from N1: Show nested quote +On March 25 2013 01:01 TheRavensName wrote:On March 25 2013 00:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 25 2013 00:33 TheRavensName wrote:On March 24 2013 23:37 Rainbows wrote:
Is night like no-post time or something?
This lynch was deplorable, and it's absolutely horrendous to wake up to. I figured there would be two wagons that we could analyze but instead someone just got lynched with TWO votes... Anyway, I'm not going to waste time getting mad over this. Posting stuff after resolution, hopefully it can wake some of you guys up. Its generally ill advised to post till late in the night, so you can't give the mafia a new target. But if you do it at the last second they likely won't have time to change it and you can safely make whatever case you wish. This way you also make it impossible to analyze why mafia hit the person they did. Good job there... Analyze what? It leads to WIFOM. You make a case against a townie and then they shoot you,that townie is now instant suspect number one. I'm just giving you the explinations I was given when I asked last time why no one was talking at night. Things to notice: - Raven does not give out his reads at the end of N1. Seems like he would already know he is not going to get night killed. - He is trying to stall the discussion. There is no reason why we should not scumhunt on night phases. I never said everyone should scream who is scum before the last hour, there are other things you can do. Like find out who is scum by you know, interacting with people.. --- Other than that, he has done very litte. The only person other than me he has called out (and tbh even talked about so that he reaches some kinda conclusion) is Frorgon. Who flipped green already. He has no real opinions on anyone other than me, and i have already proven them wrong.##Vote: TheRavensName
I think my point was valid. Look at it already, people are already taking WIFOM before we are even off the page of he flip. Besides that, I wasn't here between the action cut of and the end of the day post. And as to me not getting shot night one, that would have been a hillarius waste of a kill. You and JarJar have been going after me sense the start of day one, that is 2 out of the seven votes right there, instant majority lynch if they sneak in assuming your both not mafia yourselve (I'm asuming 2 or 3 mafia, either way it would be unpreventable.). As to reads, I am tending to believe that one of either Krafia or NW are scum.. simply because they seemed to just avoid the issue, NW looks especially bad sense Krafia could have easily just gotten himself killed if a few of us would have been around to switch out votes, though I didn't put mine onto him for the reason of it seemed like an incredibly dumb move against my scum read
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On March 26 2013 02:31 nobodywonder wrote:well i got a feeling ##Vote: TheRavensNamei got a feeling that today's gonna be a good lynch Show nested quote +On March 24 2013 04:09 TheRavensName wrote:
##unvote Raynpelikoneet
##vote: Frorgon
I can see that it is unlikely I will get a lynch off of Ray, and I'm starting to view him more like an aggressive townie like rainbows the more this goes on. I'm siwtching my vote to Frorgon, basically because hes lurking pretty had and acting suspicious and non contributing when he actually is here (Via pushing connection cases off of nothing.) Truth be told, your reminding me of arctic, someone who would probably get away if he lurked a little more and only makes himself look bad whenever he posts. I haven't posted against V simply because I don't think hes scum. I don't see a way to defend him, nor do I feel like I should, but I don't feel like I should go after him if I don't feel hes an issue. Raven killed Frogron. bolded words. strange. "I don't see a way to defend him, nor do I feel I should." what does this even mean? as a town mentality, it simply doesn't make any sense, why imply that virtu is town, and then mention no way to defend or should defend V. garbage filler post obvi. no need to mention virtu, and the explanation on frorgon is rather weak. lol he's suspicious, bad cases. nah, frorgon's cases weren't that bad, but at least he was explaining himself and I felt he was townie-ish. btw @Raven lehhsgo lynch geript and his nutter butter some other time aite ^^
"Evil Prevails when good men fail to act." You failed to act, his blood is as much on your hands as it is mine. Hell you should have been replaced after that for not even putting in a vote.
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On March 23 2013 06:08 nobodywonder wrote:
I think of things, what do you think on these things too?
Well case on virtu is valid, virtu if town has terrible play, honestly I kind of want to curse virtu's play. hasn't done stuff besides defending and saying crazy stuff @Virtu are you town? haha at this pt, at least do a good job of pretending to be town.
idk about the post about Jar Jar. seems somewhat like a soft defense of Raven, but honestly I can't read too much into it right now. need some more input from frogron, raven and jarjar
This is really all NW has contributed. Outside of that he has Fosed Jarjar, tried to get me to vote onto jarjar, and has asked question about cases and stuff he has never commented on. But the part that urks me is he pushing the jarjar and me thing when at this point in time jarjar has denied it with great anger quite a few times. Makes me wonder if theres some WIFOM right there, if maybe jarjar is red and its a soft little hinted bus? But still.. I really dislike your play all in all NW, at least bad town play does something.
##Vote NobodyWonder]
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On March 26 2013 04:52 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 06:08 nobodywonder wrote:
I think of things, what do you think on these things too?
Well case on virtu is valid, virtu if town has terrible play, honestly I kind of want to curse virtu's play. hasn't done stuff besides defending and saying crazy stuff @Virtu are you town? haha at this pt, at least do a good job of pretending to be town.
idk about the post about Jar Jar. seems somewhat like a soft defense of Raven, but honestly I can't read too much into it right now. need some more input from frogron, raven and jarjar
This is really all NW has contributed. Outside of that he has Fosed Jarjar, tried to get me to vote onto jarjar, and has asked question about cases and stuff he has never commented on. But the part that urks me is he pushing the jarjar and me thing when at this point in time jarjar has denied it with great anger quite a few times. Makes me wonder if theres some WIFOM right there, if maybe jarjar is red and its a soft little hinted bus? But still.. I really dislike your play all in all NW, at least bad town play does something. ##Vote NobodyWonder]
EBWOP: ##Vote NobodyWonder
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On March 26 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:@ Rainbows:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 04:07 Rainbows wrote:
TRN seems like an iffy lynch for today. I think there is scum between virtu and NW if not both. I think the cases on raven are biased... Saying he is scum because he lynched frogon is stupid, and especially coming from NW considering he could have prevented the lynch.
Guy lets frogon get lynched.
Guy blames other guy for lynching frorgon.
Seems, you know, legit. What's biased about my case on Raven? @ nobodywonder:What do you think about the case on virtu? What do you think about JarJar's analysis on the night hit and his vote on you? Where do you think he is wrong and why?
The fact that youve been after him most of the game. Its kind of stupid tbh. I think raven is the townier than a bunch of ppl here but i think your confirmation biased is clouding your judgments.
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On March 26 2013 06:47 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:@ Rainbows:On March 26 2013 04:07 Rainbows wrote:
TRN seems like an iffy lynch for today. I think there is scum between virtu and NW if not both. I think the cases on raven are biased... Saying he is scum because he lynched frogon is stupid, and especially coming from NW considering he could have prevented the lynch.
Guy lets frogon get lynched.
Guy blames other guy for lynching frorgon.
Seems, you know, legit. What's biased about my case on Raven? @ nobodywonder:What do you think about the case on virtu? What do you think about JarJar's analysis on the night hit and his vote on you? Where do you think he is wrong and why? The fact that youve been after him most of the game. Its kind of stupid tbh. I think raven is the townier than a bunch of ppl here but i think your confirmation biased is clouding your judgments.
Of course i have been after him, because he is lying about stuff and i have proven it! Why is everyone ignoring that? He's also trying to stall the discussion, in the beginning of the game, and on N1. He is mafia and i don't understand why everyone just ignores that.
Look at his defence. He doesn't even defend himself against my accusation, because he can't do it. Because i'm right! He's just whining about me and JarJar going after him from the beginning. Wtf? Ofc i will go after obv-scum like this from the beginning. I don't even know what the instant majority whine is about because i don't understand a single bit of that part.
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And why the hell would i make multiple cases per day? I focus on one mafia at the time because i can't possibly lynch more than one of them per day. I have been also looking onto other people, there is just no point in saying everything you think in thread. That way mafia can't manipulate you to make decisions they want you to make. I have other people in mind who could be scum, but what's the point of screaming about them when we can only lynch one player/day?
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@ virtu:
On March 23 2013 04:40 virtu wrote:
Out playing snooker, back in few hours, will post a bit before bed.
On March 25 2013 20:51 virtu wrote:
I work in IT, got called in and I lost the entire of yesterday to a network crash which involved replacing main switches, had to make a temporary network out of old switches until the new ones arrived etc. I'm terribly tired today but I obviously have a lot of catching up and making up to do, especially since I also learned that whilst I've lurked and read a lot of Mafia on TL, I'm not terribly good at it myself.
Will be reading for a while, I'm also at work for the next 5 hours but I'll try and get some thoughts down, then when I get home I should have time to formulate some thoughts into posts before I fall into an abyss of sleep.
Also - I was roleblocked last night.
At least my patience is soon gone. You have given now two promises to post your thoughts. I can understand if something urgent comes up and i i'm willing to buy your first explanation, but it's been 10 hours since you said you would be posting in 5 hours...
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On March 26 2013 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 06:47 Rainbows wrote:On March 26 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:@ Rainbows:On March 26 2013 04:07 Rainbows wrote:
TRN seems like an iffy lynch for today. I think there is scum between virtu and NW if not both. I think the cases on raven are biased... Saying he is scum because he lynched frogon is stupid, and especially coming from NW considering he could have prevented the lynch.
Guy lets frogon get lynched.
Guy blames other guy for lynching frorgon.
Seems, you know, legit. What's biased about my case on Raven? @ nobodywonder:What do you think about the case on virtu? What do you think about JarJar's analysis on the night hit and his vote on you? Where do you think he is wrong and why? The fact that youve been after him most of the game. Its kind of stupid tbh. I think raven is the townier than a bunch of ppl here but i think your confirmation biased is clouding your judgments. Of course i have been after him, because he is lying about stuff and i have proven it! Why is everyone ignoring that? He's also trying to stall the discussion, in the beginning of the game, and on N1. He is mafia and i don't understand why everyone just ignores that. Look at his defence. He doesn't even defend himself against my accusation, because he can't do it. Because i'm right! He's just whining about me and JarJar going after him from the beginning. Wtf? Ofc i will go after obv-scum like this from the beginning. I don't even know what the instant majority whine is about because i don't understand a single bit of that part.
How can I defend myself when everytime I do its jsut called lies and ignored? Your trying so hard to tunnel me, I would almost assume you were an executioner if this game had it in the set up.
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So on D1 i was by your own words "changing targets every five seconds" and now i am tunneling you?
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wow this thread is so dead... where's virtu, krafla and the rest of the guys.
how the heck can we get things done with not much to go on.
On March 25 2013 23:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I'm gonna go ahead and say that I'm leaning town for raynpelikoneet and Rainbows. If either (or both) of them are playing a real deep game and I'm just not seeing it then so be it. People that try to drive alot of discussion, read town to me.
So while it's possible that Fishgle was chosen to make ray/rain look bad, my guess is the mafia just wanted a sure kill since he was pretty unlikely to be healed, plus he might also be likely to be targetted by a cop which would be a bonus. Maybe they were hoping for some collatoral damage on ray/rain but I doubt that's what drove the decision.
However, I'm not so sure that they'd go ahead and kill someone that was probably gonna make a juicy lynch target for the next day unless they were figuring there were already some townies likely to be lynch targets the next day. Raven and Virtu were both pretty big suspects throughout the day yesterday and Krafla made himself look pretty bad @ the end of the day. So I'd find it hard to believe that there's more than 1 scum out of those 3.
So that leaves nobodywonder who's pretty much disappeared. I haven't been crazy about any his posts so far. Rainbows points some of it out above. Plus he accused me of sheepvoting for Raven yesterday which I clearly wasn't doing.
##Vote: NobodyWonder
what is up with this vote? this vote actually doesn't say why you're really voting for me. your whole case against is based on town confirmations, and I don't that is qualified when you haven't had great reads and the use of town confirmations can lead to holes or other issues.
anyways, I'll try to get back into the game, and not disappear. Sorry about that.
but honestly, not being crazy about my posting isn't quite a reason either. you cite rainbows and that's it. Jarjar, you gotta give something better for your vote. I don't it.
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EBWOP I don't like it.
as for Raven
On March 26 2013 07:29 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2013 06:47 Rainbows wrote:On March 26 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:@ Rainbows:On March 26 2013 04:07 Rainbows wrote:
TRN seems like an iffy lynch for today. I think there is scum between virtu and NW if not both. I think the cases on raven are biased... Saying he is scum because he lynched frogon is stupid, and especially coming from NW considering he could have prevented the lynch.
Guy lets frogon get lynched.
Guy blames other guy for lynching frorgon.
Seems, you know, legit. What's biased about my case on Raven? @ nobodywonder:What do you think about the case on virtu? What do you think about JarJar's analysis on the night hit and his vote on you? Where do you think he is wrong and why? The fact that youve been after him most of the game. Its kind of stupid tbh. I think raven is the townier than a bunch of ppl here but i think your confirmation biased is clouding your judgments. Of course i have been after him, because he is lying about stuff and i have proven it! Why is everyone ignoring that? He's also trying to stall the discussion, in the beginning of the game, and on N1. He is mafia and i don't understand why everyone just ignores that. Look at his defence. He doesn't even defend himself against my accusation, because he can't do it. Because i'm right! He's just whining about me and JarJar going after him from the beginning. Wtf? Ofc i will go after obv-scum like this from the beginning. I don't even know what the instant majority whine is about because i don't understand a single bit of that part. How can I defend myself when everytime I do its jsut called lies and ignored? Your trying so hard to tunnel me, I would almost assume you were an executioner if this game had it in the set up.
why so bitter? just get scumhunting, who cares if some guy is annoying you, if you're town, just scumhunt. anyways raven you're just so off from last game, that it is suspicious.
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my post above answers some of your questions about Jarjar, it's a rather weak argument against me that doesn't focus on whether i am scum or scummy, but rather how other people are more town or confirmed town, or they are a group where somehow there is only scum.
as for krafla's case on virtu. well it's interesting and takes many assumptions and it is somewhat wifom. overall i feel it's not a very strong case. yet at the same time virtu definitely needs some explaining and be at least relatively active, otherwise such inaction cannot be left unpunished
On March 26 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:@ Rainbows:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 04:07 Rainbows wrote:
TRN seems like an iffy lynch for today. I think there is scum between virtu and NW if not both. I think the cases on raven are biased... Saying he is scum because he lynched frogon is stupid, and especially coming from NW considering he could have prevented the lynch.
Guy lets frogon get lynched.
Guy blames other guy for lynching frorgon.
Seems, you know, legit. What's biased about my case on Raven? @ nobodywonder:What do you think about the case on virtu? What do you think about JarJar's analysis on the night hit and his vote on you? Where do you think he is wrong and why?
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On March 26 2013 14:29 nobodywonder wrote:
your whole case against is based on town confirmations My whole case isn't based on town confirmations. I'll try to break it down again:
Yes, I'm reading ray and rain as town for now. They're putting their opinions out there, trying to get other people to state their opinions and making logical conclusions. Yes I realize that people can play scum well and appear to be a townie but this is a noob game so I'm gonna assume this isn't the case for now.
So the 2nd part of my case is based on the night kill. I think you'd agree that if Fishgle didn't get hit last night, he'd be a prime lynch candidate for the town today right?
So now let's look @ the other 3 people that looked likely to be lynched going into the night: I'd say it'd have to be (Raven, Virtu and Krafla). If there was more than 1 scum out of those 3, do you really think they'd take the fishgle lynch off the table?
That leaves just you NW. So you're right, the bulk of my case is not based on whether or not you're acting scummy. Though after I came up w/ my conclusion, I reread your posts and tried to find something that sounded like actual scumhunting. I didn't see a thing that looked like a townie posting.
So tell me what in my case seems off to you:
Do you think I'm wrong about Ray or Rain? Why?
Do you think that there's a flaw in my analysis about the Fishgle hit? In other words: Do you think that Fishgle seems like a likely hit if there are multiple scum among Raven, Virtu and Krafla?
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On March 26 2013 14:29 nobodywonder wrote:
your whole case against is based on town confirmations, and I don't that is qualified when you haven't had great reads and the use of town confirmations can lead to holes or other issues. When you say I haven't had great reads, are you referring to only my read on Frorgon? Otherwise, how would you know how good my reads have been on anyone else?
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JarJar: There is actually something you are not taking into account. I just read my own and Rainbows filter. Neither of us really do call Fishgle out before N1 end (when it's impossible to change night actions). Nobody else wasn't really calling Fishgle out. There actually is a possibility that two of those guys you mentioned are mafia, because Fishgle didn't really have any opinions other than me & Rainbows. I don't still close the possibility of NW being mafia, but your case to be honest isn't a really good reasoning because it's based more on night hit WIFOM than actual analysis on why NW particularly is mafia.
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On March 26 2013 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JarJar: There is actually something you are not taking into account. I just read my own and Rainbows filter. Neither of us really do call Fishgle out before N1 end (when it's impossible to change night actions). Nobody else wasn't really calling Fishgle out. There actually is a possibility that two of those guys you mentioned are mafia, because Fishgle didn't really have any opinions other than me & Rainbows. I don't still close the possibility of NW being mafia, but your case to be honest isn't a really good reasoning because it's based more on night hit WIFOM than actual analysis on why NW particularly is mafia. I'll reread but I definately felt like people were banging on the fishgle is bad drum even before the night phase.
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On March 26 2013 14:31 nobodywonder wrote:EBWOP I don't like it. as for Raven Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 07:29 TheRavensName wrote:On March 26 2013 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2013 06:47 Rainbows wrote:On March 26 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:@ Rainbows:On March 26 2013 04:07 Rainbows wrote:
TRN seems like an iffy lynch for today. I think there is scum between virtu and NW if not both. I think the cases on raven are biased... Saying he is scum because he lynched frogon is stupid, and especially coming from NW considering he could have prevented the lynch.
Guy lets frogon get lynched.
Guy blames other guy for lynching frorgon.
Seems, you know, legit. What's biased about my case on Raven? @ nobodywonder:What do you think about the case on virtu? What do you think about JarJar's analysis on the night hit and his vote on you? Where do you think he is wrong and why? The fact that youve been after him most of the game. Its kind of stupid tbh. I think raven is the townier than a bunch of ppl here but i think your confirmation biased is clouding your judgments. Of course i have been after him, because he is lying about stuff and i have proven it! Why is everyone ignoring that? He's also trying to stall the discussion, in the beginning of the game, and on N1. He is mafia and i don't understand why everyone just ignores that. Look at his defence. He doesn't even defend himself against my accusation, because he can't do it. Because i'm right! He's just whining about me and JarJar going after him from the beginning. Wtf? Ofc i will go after obv-scum like this from the beginning. I don't even know what the instant majority whine is about because i don't understand a single bit of that part. How can I defend myself when everytime I do its jsut called lies and ignored? Your trying so hard to tunnel me, I would almost assume you were an executioner if this game had it in the set up. why so bitter? just get scumhunting, who cares if some guy is annoying you, if you're town, just scumhunt. anyways raven you're just so off from last game, that it is suspicious.
I wold like to add to my case that you saying my play from previous game was so ratically different when no one else from that game is and trying to force the idea that I am scummy because of it, when last game I was viewed as scum, for being different then how I was in the pre game,quite some time until the actual scums were figured out. In actuality, this is exactly how I played during the end of that game. Other people would have commented by now, such as rainbows or krafia, if it was so different. If you think my play is so scummy just vote on me, don't afk through another lynch and don't hide behind this friendly advice giver guise.
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Please i would like people to stop bringing meta to the arguments. Especially since noone of us has played more than two games here. The newbie games are here for learning so it's more than likely that players meta is going to change from their last game when they learn from their mistakes. It's not really alignment indicative if someone plays differently from last game.
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On March 26 2013 22:43 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JarJar: There is actually something you are not taking into account. I just read my own and Rainbows filter. Neither of us really do call Fishgle out before N1 end (when it's impossible to change night actions). Nobody else wasn't really calling Fishgle out. There actually is a possibility that two of those guys you mentioned are mafia, because Fishgle didn't really have any opinions other than me & Rainbows. I don't still close the possibility of NW being mafia, but your case to be honest isn't a really good reasoning because it's based more on night hit WIFOM than actual analysis on why NW particularly is mafia. I'll reread but I definately felt like people were banging on the fishgle is bad drum even before the night phase.
That's what i felt like too, but nobody really said so, so people who are not reading observantly may have missed it.
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Current votes at the moment if I can count.
virtu 1 - Krafla
NW 3 - Rainbows, JarJar, TRN
TRN 2 - ray, nw
So we're still waiting on a vote from virtu?
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On March 26 2013 23:30 Krafla wrote:
Current votes at the moment if I can count.
virtu 1 - Krafla
NW 3 - Rainbows, JarJar, TRN
TRN 2 - ray, nw
So we're still waiting on a vote from virtu?
Your vote is useless at the moment. We can switch to virtu if he fails to put something decent up when he posts. At this point there is no reason to have your vote on him.
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On March 26 2013 23:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 22:43 JarJarDrinks wrote:On March 26 2013 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JarJar: There is actually something you are not taking into account. I just read my own and Rainbows filter. Neither of us really do call Fishgle out before N1 end (when it's impossible to change night actions). Nobody else wasn't really calling Fishgle out. There actually is a possibility that two of those guys you mentioned are mafia, because Fishgle didn't really have any opinions other than me & Rainbows. I don't still close the possibility of NW being mafia, but your case to be honest isn't a really good reasoning because it's based more on night hit WIFOM than actual analysis on why NW particularly is mafia. I'll reread but I definately felt like people were banging on the fishgle is bad drum even before the night phase. That's what i felt like too, but nobody really said so, so people who are not reading observantly may have missed it. Yeah, I guess it seems like he wasn't as likely to be lynched as I remember. So that does put a hole in some of my reasoning.
On March 26 2013 23:30 Krafla wrote:
So we're still waiting on a vote from virtu? Actually we're waiting on anything from virtu. He was supposed to post in 5 hours like a day ago. I don't think we can let him continue to ignore this thread. If he's town, he done nothing to even appear as if he's trying to help.
So based on those 2 things, I'm gonna:
##Unvote
##Vote: virtu
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On March 26 2013 22:49 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 14:31 nobodywonder wrote:EBWOP I don't like it. as for Raven On March 26 2013 07:29 TheRavensName wrote:On March 26 2013 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2013 06:47 Rainbows wrote:On March 26 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:@ Rainbows:On March 26 2013 04:07 Rainbows wrote:
TRN seems like an iffy lynch for today. I think there is scum between virtu and NW if not both. I think the cases on raven are biased... Saying he is scum because he lynched frogon is stupid, and especially coming from NW considering he could have prevented the lynch.
Guy lets frogon get lynched.
Guy blames other guy for lynching frorgon.
Seems, you know, legit. What's biased about my case on Raven? @ nobodywonder:What do you think about the case on virtu? What do you think about JarJar's analysis on the night hit and his vote on you? Where do you think he is wrong and why? The fact that youve been after him most of the game. Its kind of stupid tbh. I think raven is the townier than a bunch of ppl here but i think your confirmation biased is clouding your judgments. Of course i have been after him, because he is lying about stuff and i have proven it! Why is everyone ignoring that? He's also trying to stall the discussion, in the beginning of the game, and on N1. He is mafia and i don't understand why everyone just ignores that. Look at his defence. He doesn't even defend himself against my accusation, because he can't do it. Because i'm right! He's just whining about me and JarJar going after him from the beginning. Wtf? Ofc i will go after obv-scum like this from the beginning. I don't even know what the instant majority whine is about because i don't understand a single bit of that part. How can I defend myself when everytime I do its jsut called lies and ignored? Your trying so hard to tunnel me, I would almost assume you were an executioner if this game had it in the set up. why so bitter? just get scumhunting, who cares if some guy is annoying you, if you're town, just scumhunt. anyways raven you're just so off from last game, that it is suspicious. I wold like to add to my case that you saying my play from previous game was so ratically different when no one else from that game is and trying to force the idea that I am scummy because of it, when last game I was viewed as scum, for being different then how I was in the pre game,quite some time until the actual scums were figured out. In actuality, this is exactly how I played during the end of that game. Other people would have commented by now, such as rainbows or krafia, if it was so different. If you think my play is so scummy just vote on me, don't afk through another lynch and don't hide behind this friendly advice giver guise.
TRN is so town guys -.-
Get the fuck off of him. Kill virtu / kill NW. Everyone keeps saying Raven's play is different and he's lying or whatever, but he's coming off super townie to me right now.
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On March 26 2013 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Your vote is useless at the moment. We can switch to virtu if he fails to put something decent up when he posts. At this point there is no reason to have your vote on him. I'm hoping voting for him forces him to post. Then if I like what he has to say, I'll switch off of him.
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On March 26 2013 23:43 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 22:49 TheRavensName wrote:On March 26 2013 14:31 nobodywonder wrote:EBWOP I don't like it. as for Raven On March 26 2013 07:29 TheRavensName wrote:On March 26 2013 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2013 06:47 Rainbows wrote:On March 26 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:@ Rainbows:On March 26 2013 04:07 Rainbows wrote:
TRN seems like an iffy lynch for today. I think there is scum between virtu and NW if not both. I think the cases on raven are biased... Saying he is scum because he lynched frogon is stupid, and especially coming from NW considering he could have prevented the lynch.
Guy lets frogon get lynched.
Guy blames other guy for lynching frorgon.
Seems, you know, legit. What's biased about my case on Raven? @ nobodywonder:What do you think about the case on virtu? What do you think about JarJar's analysis on the night hit and his vote on you? Where do you think he is wrong and why? The fact that youve been after him most of the game. Its kind of stupid tbh. I think raven is the townier than a bunch of ppl here but i think your confirmation biased is clouding your judgments. Of course i have been after him, because he is lying about stuff and i have proven it! Why is everyone ignoring that? He's also trying to stall the discussion, in the beginning of the game, and on N1. He is mafia and i don't understand why everyone just ignores that. Look at his defence. He doesn't even defend himself against my accusation, because he can't do it. Because i'm right! He's just whining about me and JarJar going after him from the beginning. Wtf? Ofc i will go after obv-scum like this from the beginning. I don't even know what the instant majority whine is about because i don't understand a single bit of that part. How can I defend myself when everytime I do its jsut called lies and ignored? Your trying so hard to tunnel me, I would almost assume you were an executioner if this game had it in the set up. why so bitter? just get scumhunting, who cares if some guy is annoying you, if you're town, just scumhunt. anyways raven you're just so off from last game, that it is suspicious. I wold like to add to my case that you saying my play from previous game was so ratically different when no one else from that game is and trying to force the idea that I am scummy because of it, when last game I was viewed as scum, for being different then how I was in the pre game,quite some time until the actual scums were figured out. In actuality, this is exactly how I played during the end of that game. Other people would have commented by now, such as rainbows or krafia, if it was so different. If you think my play is so scummy just vote on me, don't afk through another lynch and don't hide behind this friendly advice giver guise. TRN is so town guys -.- Get the fuck off of him. Kill virtu / kill NW. Everyone keeps saying Raven's play is different and he's lying or whatever, but he's coming off super townie to me right now.
I need to apologize for that staement. I forgot NW had voted for me about when I voted for him and only remembered when the vote tally was posted.
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ray you're so antagonistic. Just let him do what he has to do.
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On March 26 2013 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 23:30 Krafla wrote:
Current votes at the moment if I can count.
virtu 1 - Krafla
NW 3 - Rainbows, JarJar, TRN
TRN 2 - ray, nw
So we're still waiting on a vote from virtu? Your vote is useless at the moment. We can switch to virtu if he fails to put something decent up when he posts. At this point there is no reason to have your vote on him.
You're right. My vote is useless at the moment, especially now that JarJar has come in and thrown his vote down on virtu, splitting the votes perfectly evenly, looks like we're heading to another D1 situation and that the mafia has us over a barrel.
Right then, I'm going to switch my vote
##Vote: TheRavensName
I've looked at ray's arguments against TRN and I've looked at Rainbow's arguments against NW and I think ray's arguments are the best.
I don't like that Rainbows is defending TRN so much, let him defend himself and I don't like the fact that Rainbows stated that virtu was his No 1 scum read on N1, yet he's voting for NW. Why are you voting for NW over Virtu Rainbows. What has changed your mind. We know how you feel on TRN, how do you choose between the other two?
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On March 27 2013 00:01 Krafla wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2013 23:30 Krafla wrote:
Current votes at the moment if I can count.
virtu 1 - Krafla
NW 3 - Rainbows, JarJar, TRN
TRN 2 - ray, nw
So we're still waiting on a vote from virtu? Your vote is useless at the moment. We can switch to virtu if he fails to put something decent up when he posts. At this point there is no reason to have your vote on him. You're right. My vote is useless at the moment, especially now that JarJar has come in and thrown his vote down on virtu, splitting the votes perfectly evenly, looks like we're heading to another D1 situation and that the mafia has us over a barrel. Right then, I'm going to switch my vote ##Vote: TheRavensNameI've looked at ray's arguments against TRN and I've looked at Rainbow's arguments against NW and I think ray's arguments are the best. I don't like that Rainbows is defending TRN so much, let him defend himself and I don't like the fact that Rainbows stated that virtu was his No 1 scum read on N1, yet he's voting for NW. Why are you voting for NW over Virtu Rainbows. What has changed your mind. We know how you feel on TRN, how do you choose between the other two?
By that logic, you should be voting for Ray because he wanted to lynch you so badly and then let it go. This is a blatant sheep trying to blend in with the crowd Krafia, by both you and NW with passable reasons that are basically just enough to pretend to not just be saying :Cause I think we can get him lynched yay mislynching.
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On March 27 2013 00:01 Krafla wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2013 23:30 Krafla wrote:
Current votes at the moment if I can count.
virtu 1 - Krafla
NW 3 - Rainbows, JarJar, TRN
TRN 2 - ray, nw
So we're still waiting on a vote from virtu? Your vote is useless at the moment. We can switch to virtu if he fails to put something decent up when he posts. At this point there is no reason to have your vote on him. You're right. My vote is useless at the moment, especially now that JarJar has come in and thrown his vote down on virtu, splitting the votes perfectly evenly, looks like we're heading to another D1 situation and that the mafia has us over a barrel. Right then, I'm going to switch my vote ##Vote: TheRavensNameI've looked at ray's arguments against TRN and I've looked at Rainbow's arguments against NW and I think ray's arguments are the best. I don't like that Rainbows is defending TRN so much, let him defend himself and I don't like the fact that Rainbows stated that virtu was his No 1 scum read on N1, yet he's voting for NW. Why are you voting for NW over Virtu Rainbows. What has changed your mind. We know how you feel on TRN, how do you choose between the other two?
Are you daft? I'm not going to vote for virtu when he hasn't responded to my stuff... that's just unreasonable. I need him to respond to my cases on him if anything. NW is the one voting for TRN to get his ass out of the water and appearing in the thread while not doing a whole lot.
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Also have you even looked at rainbow's filter? He says why he swapped. I'll let you find it yourself, so that you can pretend to have read it.
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On March 27 2013 00:01 Krafla wrote:
You're right. My vote is useless at the moment, especially now that JarJar has come in and thrown his vote down on virtu, splitting the votes perfectly evenly, looks like we're heading to another D1 situation and that the mafia has us over a barrel. How does me switching my vote to Virtu make your vote on him more useless? If you think Virtu is scum, I just made it so he's more likely to be lynched. Like, if the votes are split evenly, what makes the votes on Virtu more useless than the votes on the other people?
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On March 27 2013 00:06 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 00:01 Krafla wrote:On March 26 2013 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2013 23:30 Krafla wrote:
Current votes at the moment if I can count.
virtu 1 - Krafla
NW 3 - Rainbows, JarJar, TRN
TRN 2 - ray, nw
So we're still waiting on a vote from virtu? Your vote is useless at the moment. We can switch to virtu if he fails to put something decent up when he posts. At this point there is no reason to have your vote on him. You're right. My vote is useless at the moment, especially now that JarJar has come in and thrown his vote down on virtu, splitting the votes perfectly evenly, looks like we're heading to another D1 situation and that the mafia has us over a barrel. Right then, I'm going to switch my vote ##Vote: TheRavensNameI've looked at ray's arguments against TRN and I've looked at Rainbow's arguments against NW and I think ray's arguments are the best. I don't like that Rainbows is defending TRN so much, let him defend himself and I don't like the fact that Rainbows stated that virtu was his No 1 scum read on N1, yet he's voting for NW. Why are you voting for NW over Virtu Rainbows. What has changed your mind. We know how you feel on TRN, how do you choose between the other two? Are you daft? I'm not going to vote for virtu when he hasn't responded to my stuff... that's just unreasonable. I need him to respond to my cases on him if anything. NW is the one voting for TRN to get his ass out of the water and appearing in the thread while not doing a whole lot. Wait WHAT? You're not gonna vote for virtu because he hasn't responded to you? Well I guess if he's scum he should just not respond to you then huh?
More importantly, what are you waiting for him to say exactly? Are you somehow not sure if he's scum anymore?
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On March 27 2013 00:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 00:06 Rainbows wrote:On March 27 2013 00:01 Krafla wrote:On March 26 2013 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2013 23:30 Krafla wrote:
Current votes at the moment if I can count.
virtu 1 - Krafla
NW 3 - Rainbows, JarJar, TRN
TRN 2 - ray, nw
So we're still waiting on a vote from virtu? Your vote is useless at the moment. We can switch to virtu if he fails to put something decent up when he posts. At this point there is no reason to have your vote on him. You're right. My vote is useless at the moment, especially now that JarJar has come in and thrown his vote down on virtu, splitting the votes perfectly evenly, looks like we're heading to another D1 situation and that the mafia has us over a barrel. Right then, I'm going to switch my vote ##Vote: TheRavensNameI've looked at ray's arguments against TRN and I've looked at Rainbow's arguments against NW and I think ray's arguments are the best. I don't like that Rainbows is defending TRN so much, let him defend himself and I don't like the fact that Rainbows stated that virtu was his No 1 scum read on N1, yet he's voting for NW. Why are you voting for NW over Virtu Rainbows. What has changed your mind. We know how you feel on TRN, how do you choose between the other two? Are you daft? I'm not going to vote for virtu when he hasn't responded to my stuff... that's just unreasonable. I need him to respond to my cases on him if anything. NW is the one voting for TRN to get his ass out of the water and appearing in the thread while not doing a whole lot. Wait WHAT? You're not gonna vote for virtu because he hasn't responded to you? Well I guess if he's scum he should just not respond to you then huh? More importantly, what are you waiting for him to say exactly? Are you somehow not sure if he's scum anymore?
He hasn't even shown up and attempted to do anything. I'm giving him TIME.
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On March 27 2013 00:34 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 00:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:On March 27 2013 00:06 Rainbows wrote:On March 27 2013 00:01 Krafla wrote:On March 26 2013 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2013 23:30 Krafla wrote:
Current votes at the moment if I can count.
virtu 1 - Krafla
NW 3 - Rainbows, JarJar, TRN
TRN 2 - ray, nw
So we're still waiting on a vote from virtu? Your vote is useless at the moment. We can switch to virtu if he fails to put something decent up when he posts. At this point there is no reason to have your vote on him. You're right. My vote is useless at the moment, especially now that JarJar has come in and thrown his vote down on virtu, splitting the votes perfectly evenly, looks like we're heading to another D1 situation and that the mafia has us over a barrel. Right then, I'm going to switch my vote ##Vote: TheRavensNameI've looked at ray's arguments against TRN and I've looked at Rainbow's arguments against NW and I think ray's arguments are the best. I don't like that Rainbows is defending TRN so much, let him defend himself and I don't like the fact that Rainbows stated that virtu was his No 1 scum read on N1, yet he's voting for NW. Why are you voting for NW over Virtu Rainbows. What has changed your mind. We know how you feel on TRN, how do you choose between the other two? Are you daft? I'm not going to vote for virtu when he hasn't responded to my stuff... that's just unreasonable. I need him to respond to my cases on him if anything. NW is the one voting for TRN to get his ass out of the water and appearing in the thread while not doing a whole lot. Wait WHAT? You're not gonna vote for virtu because he hasn't responded to you? Well I guess if he's scum he should just not respond to you then huh? More importantly, what are you waiting for him to say exactly? Are you somehow not sure if he's scum anymore? He hasn't even shown up and attempted to do anything. I'm giving him TIME. Time for what though? To explain himself better? Do these posts really seem like they're from someone that is gonna be able to be talked out of thinking Virtu is scum:
On March 23 2013 00:53 Rainbows wrote:
Holy crap you're scum.
On March 23 2013 02:07 Rainbows wrote:
If nobody see's how scummy that post was by Virtu, you're blind.
On March 23 2013 22:18 Rainbows wrote:
Virtu best lynch USA
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- virtu posts paragraphs that do nothing to further towns agenda.
- virtu doesn't hunt scum all game, and refuses to.
- virtu openly sheeps with zero original thinking, but we should be suspect of lurkers.
virtu best lynch right now, gonna be flippin' scum all over this bitch.
On March 23 2013 22:27 Rainbows wrote:
In short, vote virtu win game.
I mean, yesterday we vote virtu to win the game. Today you're not gonna vote for him because it's unreasonable to do so without first giving him time to respond?
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Vote Count!
Everyone is required to vote.
TheRavensName (3): Raynpelikoneet, NobodyWonder, Krafla
Nobodywonder (2): TheRavensName, Rainbows, JarJarDrinks
Virtu (1): JarJarDrinks, Krafla
Not Voting (1): Virtu
Currently, TheRavensName is set to be lynched! 9 hours until lynch (01:00 GMT (+00:00)). Let me know if my counting spell was off!
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On March 27 2013 00:55 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 00:34 Rainbows wrote:On March 27 2013 00:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:On March 27 2013 00:06 Rainbows wrote:On March 27 2013 00:01 Krafla wrote:On March 26 2013 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2013 23:30 Krafla wrote:
Current votes at the moment if I can count.
virtu 1 - Krafla
NW 3 - Rainbows, JarJar, TRN
TRN 2 - ray, nw
So we're still waiting on a vote from virtu? Your vote is useless at the moment. We can switch to virtu if he fails to put something decent up when he posts. At this point there is no reason to have your vote on him. You're right. My vote is useless at the moment, especially now that JarJar has come in and thrown his vote down on virtu, splitting the votes perfectly evenly, looks like we're heading to another D1 situation and that the mafia has us over a barrel. Right then, I'm going to switch my vote ##Vote: TheRavensNameI've looked at ray's arguments against TRN and I've looked at Rainbow's arguments against NW and I think ray's arguments are the best. I don't like that Rainbows is defending TRN so much, let him defend himself and I don't like the fact that Rainbows stated that virtu was his No 1 scum read on N1, yet he's voting for NW. Why are you voting for NW over Virtu Rainbows. What has changed your mind. We know how you feel on TRN, how do you choose between the other two? Are you daft? I'm not going to vote for virtu when he hasn't responded to my stuff... that's just unreasonable. I need him to respond to my cases on him if anything. NW is the one voting for TRN to get his ass out of the water and appearing in the thread while not doing a whole lot. Wait WHAT? You're not gonna vote for virtu because he hasn't responded to you? Well I guess if he's scum he should just not respond to you then huh? More importantly, what are you waiting for him to say exactly? Are you somehow not sure if he's scum anymore? He hasn't even shown up and attempted to do anything. I'm giving him TIME. Time for what though? To explain himself better? Do these posts really seem like they're from someone that is gonna be able to be talked out of thinking Virtu is scum: Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 02:07 Rainbows wrote:
If nobody see's how scummy that post was by Virtu, you're blind.
Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 22:18 Rainbows wrote:
Virtu best lynch USA
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- virtu posts paragraphs that do nothing to further towns agenda.
- virtu doesn't hunt scum all game, and refuses to.
- virtu openly sheeps with zero original thinking, but we should be suspect of lurkers.
virtu best lynch right now, gonna be flippin' scum all over this bitch. I mean, yesterday we vote virtu to win the game. Today you're not gonna vote for him because it's unreasonable to do so without first giving him time to respond?
Look JarJar. The thing is that there is no benefit of voting virtu now. If one of the other candidates is mafia and virtu is town the votes tell us much more about everyone. Because mafia needs to do something about where virtu is eventually gonna put his vote. If we vote for virtu now we ignore this information source.
We can vote for virtu later if he fails to show up or does not do townie stuff when he appears.
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Your case seems to be against RAinbows Jarjar, why are you not voting for him over Virtu?
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JJD, lol. I can tunnel virtu all day and do nothing, sit on my ass and have everyone else fight, or i can find the other scum. Something people in this game have no liking of doing.
As i recall the day hasnt ended yet. Chastising me for pursuing other reads instead of the afk guy is trololololly.
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On March 27 2013 01:57 TheRavensName wrote:
Your case seems to be against RAinbows Jarjar, why are you not voting for him over Virtu? I legit wanted a response from him because it seemed fishy to me. While I'm not crazy about his answer, he's certainly not my top suspect though I'm not reading him as townish as I was. And honestly Virtu isn't my top suspect either, but I want him to post.
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JarJar who is your biggest read?
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so Rainbows, what are your other reads? at this pt, you've only really pursued me. and the other reads that you had are on dead townies: fishgle and frorgon. who are some other scum, or are scummy?
and virtu really needs to get posting.
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^ this is in response to Rainbows
On March 27 2013 01:58 Rainbows wrote:
JJD, lol. I can tunnel virtu all day and do nothing, sit on my ass and have everyone else fight, or i can find the other scum. Something people in this game have no liking of doing.
As i recall the day hasnt ended yet. Chastising me for pursuing other reads instead of the afk guy is trololololly.
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On March 27 2013 02:33 Krafla wrote:
JarJar who is your biggest read? I can't really decide between the 2 vote leaders (NW and TRN). I'm gonna reread the thread again and see if I can pick anything new up.
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Ray has fair potential to be scum. He's tunneled my town read (or at least, not an entirely scummy guy) the entire game.
His aggressive posting style i like but it seems that hes heading in the opposite direction i am with it.
If virtu doesnt post or just pulls a krafla i will vote him in seconds. I'll be more than happy to take full credit for lynching that dude.
It seems like people this game hate taking stances... Who the heck are you guys' biggest scumreads, with, you know, good reasons?
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On March 27 2013 02:46 Rainbows wrote:
Ray has fair potential to be scum. He's tunneled my town read (or at least, not an entirely scummy guy) the entire game.
His aggressive posting style i like but it seems that hes heading in the opposite direction i am with it.
If virtu doesnt post or just pulls a krafla i will vote him in seconds. I'll be more than happy to take full credit for lynching that dude.
It seems like people this game hate taking stances... Who the heck are you guys' biggest scumreads, with, you know, good reasons?
Right OK here's what I think, we've got two scum in nw and TRN. They've both voting for each other to cover and spread their votes. If there's another scum in the game I believe it's between virtu and JarJar. Here are my reads.
Rainbows - I think you're town, but I think you're wrong to defend TRN.
ray - I think you're town, you started off aggressive but you've calmed down and you seem to have the town's best interest at heart.
JarJar - I'm on the fence with JarJar. You seem about as clueless as me when it comes to trying to make a reasonable read on anyone.
nw - I don't like the fact he got away without voting in D1, where I put myself in a compromising position to avoid not voting.
virtu - Same goes for virtu as nw however we've got the roleblock claim which no-one has commented on. I believe his claim partially because no one else claimed an RB. What is there in it for him to fake claim an RB. He wasn't the killer because we had a kill. Where does this leave us. His lack of posting is not helping us at all.
Right, I'm going to go drive home so I'll be away for an hour or so...
Oh I almost forgot TRN!! If you're town do me a favour and tell me who you cop checked on the first day and I'll move my vote off you.
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On March 27 2013 03:11 Krafla wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:46 Rainbows wrote:
Ray has fair potential to be scum. He's tunneled my town read (or at least, not an entirely scummy guy) the entire game.
His aggressive posting style i like but it seems that hes heading in the opposite direction i am with it.
If virtu doesnt post or just pulls a krafla i will vote him in seconds. I'll be more than happy to take full credit for lynching that dude.
It seems like people this game hate taking stances... Who the heck are you guys' biggest scumreads, with, you know, good reasons? Right OK here's what I think, we've got two scum in nw and TRN. They've both voting for each other to cover and spread their votes. If there's another scum in the game I believe it's between virtu and JarJar. Here are my reads. Rainbows - I think you're town, but I think you're wrong to defend TRN. ray - I think you're town, you started off aggressive but you've calmed down and you seem to have the town's best interest at heart. JarJar - I'm on the fence with JarJar. You seem about as clueless as me when it comes to trying to make a reasonable read on anyone. nw - I don't like the fact he got away without voting in D1, where I put myself in a compromising position to avoid not voting. virtu - Same goes for virtu as nw however we've got the roleblock claim which no-one has commented on. I believe his claim partially because no one else claimed an RB. What is there in it for him to fake claim an RB. He wasn't the killer because we had a kill. Where does this leave us. His lack of posting is not helping us at all. Right, I'm going to go drive home so I'll be away for an hour or so... Oh I almost forgot TRN!! If you're town do me a favour and tell me who you cop checked on the first day and I'll move my vote off you.
Wait... my defense as town is to fake a blue claim? You better lynch me now then, I am not that stupid. Your either the cop and are trying to bait me into fake claiming so you can call me on it sense out of 9 people there is no way I can be the cop, or your trying to find out if I am cop, lynch someone else and then make me useless the rest of the game.
On the side note: Why would me and NW keep this voting thing up if we were both mafia? We have been both set to be lynched today, and could have swapped to virtu to make it so he would by lynched over us right now. I think the fact that jarjar changed so quickly to someone that it is extremly unlikely to get enough votes (No one is going to swap off me for Virtu as long as I am the confirmed lynch, especially assuming at least two of them are mafia, and the only person who can break the tie to save me is Virtu himself.) should be viewed as suspicious. I am willing to bet NW and Jarjar are both mafia, and this is Jar jar's way of causing a myslynch and saving NW.
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On March 27 2013 02:45 JarJarDrinks wrote:I can't really decide between the 2 vote leaders (NW and TRN). I'm gonna reread the thread again and see if I can pick anything new up.
If you couldn't decide why would you have voted for NW, and why didn't you do that before you swapped toVirtu?
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On March 27 2013 03:23 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 03:11 Krafla wrote:On March 27 2013 02:46 Rainbows wrote:
Ray has fair potential to be scum. He's tunneled my town read (or at least, not an entirely scummy guy) the entire game.
His aggressive posting style i like but it seems that hes heading in the opposite direction i am with it.
If virtu doesnt post or just pulls a krafla i will vote him in seconds. I'll be more than happy to take full credit for lynching that dude.
It seems like people this game hate taking stances... Who the heck are you guys' biggest scumreads, with, you know, good reasons? Right OK here's what I think, we've got two scum in nw and TRN. They've both voting for each other to cover and spread their votes. If there's another scum in the game I believe it's between virtu and JarJar. Here are my reads. Rainbows - I think you're town, but I think you're wrong to defend TRN. ray - I think you're town, you started off aggressive but you've calmed down and you seem to have the town's best interest at heart. JarJar - I'm on the fence with JarJar. You seem about as clueless as me when it comes to trying to make a reasonable read on anyone. nw - I don't like the fact he got away without voting in D1, where I put myself in a compromising position to avoid not voting. virtu - Same goes for virtu as nw however we've got the roleblock claim which no-one has commented on. I believe his claim partially because no one else claimed an RB. What is there in it for him to fake claim an RB. He wasn't the killer because we had a kill. Where does this leave us. His lack of posting is not helping us at all. Right, I'm going to go drive home so I'll be away for an hour or so... Oh I almost forgot TRN!! If you're town do me a favour and tell me who you cop checked on the first day and I'll move my vote off you. Wait... my defense as town is to fake a blue claim? You better lynch me now then, I am not that stupid. Your either the cop and are trying to bait me into fake claiming so you can call me on it sense out of 9 people there is no way I can be the cop, or your trying to find out if I am cop, lynch someone else and then make me useless the rest of the game. On the side note: Why would me and NW keep this voting thing up if we were both mafia? We have been both set to be lynched today, and could have swapped to virtu to make it so he would by lynched over us right now. I think the fact that jarjar changed so quickly to someone that it is extremly unlikely to get enough votes (No one is going to swap off me for Virtu as long as I am the confirmed lynch, especially assuming at least two of them are mafia, and the only person who can break the tie to save me is Virtu himself.) should be viewed as suspicious. I am willing to bet NW and Jarjar are both mafia, and this is Jar jar's way of causing a myslynch and saving NW.
I want to add something while I'm thinking about it: If your clueless at making reads, why did you vote for me? Because Ray said so? You didn't jump on me with Ray before andhis case hasn't changed much at all. Instead you took the time to vote for yourself, which is still being called QUESTIONABLE AT BEST AND SCUM AT A MUCH MORE LIKELY SHOT.
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@krafla, what the heck was that post? or you really clueless with reads or just mafia?
you have a lot of hypothetical situations, saying that TRN and me are voting against each other to spread the votes. that doesn't make any sense - that just means one of us is going to get lynched and as a scum tactic, it's simply stupid. now also i know that TRN and me are not both scum, because for one I'm not scum, though I think TRN is scum.
and why the hell are you suggesting that TRN is cop and that he should cop-claim? do you want our cop to die? this is unacceptable
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On March 27 2013 03:24 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:45 JarJarDrinks wrote:On March 27 2013 02:33 Krafla wrote:
JarJar who is your biggest read? I can't really decide between the 2 vote leaders (NW and TRN). I'm gonna reread the thread again and see if I can pick anything new up. If you couldn't decide why would you have voted for NW, and why didn't you do that before you swapped toVirtu? I made my case on NW. Ray then pointed out a flaw in it which I acknowledged. So while it doesn't negate my whole case against him, he's probably not my top suspect anymore.
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so JarJar, who is your top scumread of an active poster? a vote on virtu, just doesnt cut right now since its rather useless at this point. We can always switch votes and get virtu later today if unnecessary.
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On March 27 2013 03:33 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 03:24 TheRavensName wrote:On March 27 2013 02:45 JarJarDrinks wrote:On March 27 2013 02:33 Krafla wrote:
JarJar who is your biggest read? I can't really decide between the 2 vote leaders (NW and TRN). I'm gonna reread the thread again and see if I can pick anything new up. If you couldn't decide why would you have voted for NW, and why didn't you do that before you swapped toVirtu? I made my case on NW. Ray then pointed out a flaw in it which I acknowledged. So while it doesn't negate my whole case against him, he's probably not my top suspect anymore.
You also said you didn't think Virtu was scum either so.... Again this brings the question of why Virtu to the table.
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One final note about Krafia, I can't decide if hes lazy and stupid or scum and I would like some input on this. He has been trying to make a connection case sense day 1, first on me and Jarjar, now hes trying to jam one about me and NW, while also posting things (Like the vote on himself and his big useless list post.) That give me the impression he isn't even reading the thread, or at the very least hes skimming it till he can find something that he can piece together to look like hes playing when hes not. Combind this with last game, where he basically did the same thing while also making the mistake of role claiming and then getting RBed the entire game, which is what hes trying to get me to walk into, and it just... feels wrong, but I cant figure out if its bad townie that hsould probably be lynched but wont be, or scum play.
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On March 27 2013 03:36 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 03:33 JarJarDrinks wrote:On March 27 2013 03:24 TheRavensName wrote:On March 27 2013 02:45 JarJarDrinks wrote:On March 27 2013 02:33 Krafla wrote:
JarJar who is your biggest read? I can't really decide between the 2 vote leaders (NW and TRN). I'm gonna reread the thread again and see if I can pick anything new up. If you couldn't decide why would you have voted for NW, and why didn't you do that before you swapped toVirtu? I made my case on NW. Ray then pointed out a flaw in it which I acknowledged. So while it doesn't negate my whole case against him, he's probably not my top suspect anymore. You also said you didn't think Virtu was scum either so.... Again this brings the question of why Virtu to the table.
Because I don't want to give him a pass on lurking. I thought allowing people to lurk was bad. If he's scum and can get away w/ lurking then why wouldn't he? Unless he thinks he's gonna be lynched, he really has no reason to even post anything.
And I didn't say I didn't think he was scum? I said he wasn't a top suspect of mine. It's not like I can get any type of read on him if he's not posting.
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And yeah, I'd really like to hear Kraflas explaination of his Cop statement because I really can't figure that one out.
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Wait... my defense as town is to fake a blue claim? You better lynch me now then, I am not that stupid. Your either the cop and are trying to bait me into fake claiming so you can call me on it sense out of 9 people there is no way I can be the cop, or your trying to find out if I am cop, lynch someone else and then make me useless the rest of the game.
Ooh I'm glad you said this! So you're definitely not a cop then. Excellent. Please explain your first post;
On March 22 2013 12:16 TheRavensName wrote:
Hello guys... I'm going to use my opening post to say One thing and one thing only:
I haven't read any of the books after Chamber of Secrets or Watched a movie sense Goblet of fire. Am I going to have to wikipedia Dumbledores Army to get most the flavor text?
I believe this is a scum slip right from the start. You throw down a fake blue breadcrumb, that you're a 1shot watcher, to give you something to come back to later in the game. But hang on a minute, this game doesn't have any 1-shot roles. Whoops, guess I can't carry on this charade, lets hope no one spots it.
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Top quote from TRN obviously. Posting from my phone
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Krafla.. What is this i dont even....
And people wonder why i dont like raven cases.
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On March 27 2013 04:24 Krafla wrote:Show nested quote +Wait... my defense as town is to fake a blue claim? You better lynch me now then, I am not that stupid. Your either the cop and are trying to bait me into fake claiming so you can call me on it sense out of 9 people there is no way I can be the cop, or your trying to find out if I am cop, lynch someone else and then make me useless the rest of the game.
Ooh I'm glad you said this! So you're definitely not a cop then. Excellent. Please explain your first post; Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 12:16 TheRavensName wrote:
Hello guys... I'm going to use my opening post to say One thing and one thing only:
I haven't read any of the books after Chamber of Secrets or Watched a movie sense Goblet of fire. Am I going to have to wikipedia Dumbledores Army to get most the flavor text? I believe this is a scum slip right from the start. You throw down a fake blue breadcrumb, that you're a 1shot watcher, to give you something to come back to later in the game. But hang on a minute, this game doesn't have any 1-shot roles. Whoops, guess I can't carry on this charade, lets hope no one spots it.
Read the role listing, we don't even have a watchman! And a watcher and a Cop are VASTLY diferent roles. Considering you didn't even realize you were bread crumbing last game when it was so obvious you were, you should know better. And if you THOUGHT I was Bread crumbing Watcher, why would you force me to claim it or die? If I claim it I am unable to use those powers for the rest of the game, and the first post also doesn't say there are any 1 shots I don't see why you would assume I was one. And if I was one shot, I wouldn't waste it day 1 when there is not enough evidence to figure anything out, I would wait till tonight with this nice sample of posts I have to work with.
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On March 27 2013 04:27 Rainbows wrote:
Krafla.. What is this i dont even....
And people wonder why i dont like raven cases.
Rainbows, do you think this is a very poor town play from Krafia combined with him voting himself, or is this scum play trying to bait out a blue?
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Honestly Raven, i have no fucking clue. A town being this stupid is probably more likely than scum flailing his arms around trying to influence the lynch.
Like, its just so.... Bad....
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On March 27 2013 04:44 Rainbows wrote:
Honestly Raven, i have no fucking clue. A town being this stupid is probably more likely than scum flailing his arms around trying to influence the lynch.
Like, its just so.... Bad....
I was thinkng so too but... then why wasn't I targeted at all? If he was sure I breadcrumbed day 1... wouldn't he have been pushing my shot or roleblocking? I was a victim of neither. Maybe I'm putting too much faith in Krafia but I still am leaning towards NW or Jarjar personally.
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You're missing my point TRN. I'm calling you out because there are no one shot roles in this game. Now if you want to deny that your first post is a breadcrumb, that's fine, but it looks awfully like you're fake claiming from the start.
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Well maybe the roleblocker isn't scum.
Either way its tons of wifom. Im writing him off as clueless for now.
Im really tempted to wagon onto virtu, like hell man. Are you scared or something?
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Krafla shut up if you're town. This is a lawlzy reason to think someone is scum
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On March 27 2013 04:59 Krafla wrote:
You're missing my point TRN. I'm calling you out because there are no one shot roles in this game. Now if you want to deny that your first post is a breadcrumb, that's fine, but it looks awfully like you're fake claiming from the start. OK, Krafla, let's just say that you actually believed that those random words in TRNs post were breadcrumbs for a one shot cop (as ridiculous as that is). You know for a fact that there are no one-shot roles in the game. Why not bring it up earlier? Why even ask him to name his night one target? You have him caught already.
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On March 27 2013 04:24 Krafla wrote:Show nested quote +Wait... my defense as town is to fake a blue claim? You better lynch me now then, I am not that stupid. Your either the cop and are trying to bait me into fake claiming so you can call me on it sense out of 9 people there is no way I can be the cop, or your trying to find out if I am cop, lynch someone else and then make me useless the rest of the game.
Ooh I'm glad you said this! So you're definitely not a cop then. Excellent. Please explain your first post; Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 12:16 TheRavensName wrote:
Hello guys... I'm going to use my opening post to say One thing and one thing only:
I haven't read any of the books after Chamber of Secrets or Watched a movie sense Goblet of fire. Am I going to have to wikipedia Dumbledores Army to get most the flavor text? I believe this is a scum slip right from the start. You throw down a fake blue breadcrumb, that you're a 1shot watcher, to give you something to come back to later in the game. But hang on a minute, this game doesn't have any 1-shot roles. Whoops, guess I can't carry on this charade, lets hope no one spots it.
Okay, wtf is this?
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Okay, i'm going out for some time. I'm not sure if i can get back before the deadline. I will stick with my vote on Raven. I don't think they are both scum with NW, i just feel like Raven is more likely to be mafia than NW.
I would be okay with lynching virtu as well. He's fucking useless.
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I don't understand about nything else... how does that make me a one shot watcher as opposed to an actual watcher?
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I think Krafla's weird rant about Raven points more to him being town than mafia. I still think JarJar and Rainbows are town.
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On March 27 2013 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay, i'm going out for some time. I'm not sure if i can get back before the deadline. I will stick with my vote on Raven. I don't think they are both scum with NW, i just feel like Raven is more likely to be mafia than NW.
I would be okay with lynching virtu as well. He's fucking useless.
So even with all thats just gone on, I'm still the scummiest person here? You are really going to be disapointed that you put the town in Lynch or lose mode...
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On March 27 2013 06:52 TheRavensName wrote:
I don't understand about nything else... how does that make me a one shot watcher as opposed to an actual watcher?
It's stupid as hell but i don't see him doing that if he was mafia. Unless he is trying some incredible stunt noone will be able to see..
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Well before you go Ray, can I get an explination as to why you think I'm scummier then NW/ I haven't actually seen a comparison between the two yet or much of a comment on NW at all from you. People you think are town think I'm town, but no one has come out as saying NW is town... You even asked him a question he has yet to answer.
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On March 22 2013 17:09 nobodywonder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 12:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Hey all, Don't worry I wont lurk @ all once the game starts rolling. Being how I've never played against any of y'all I have nothing to base any read off so I probably wont throw down a vote untill everyone's posted a bit. time to get it rollin' then JarJar or mesa annoyed by you. mesa angry. mesa point finger of suspicion on JarJarDrinks ##FoS: JarJarDrinks
This is one of NW's only post day one that doesn't contain something about EmmaWatson or Geript. The other one is him calling out Jarjar's sheeping vote and upgrading to a hand of suspicion, Outside of this he calls out mine and Jarjar's logic a few times and comments that Virtu is infact suspicious to him but doesn't even vote. Next day:
On March 26 2013 02:14 nobodywonder wrote:
^ woo~ excitement. yee about to get lynched. maybe i can find scum now hopefully.
about the non-vote, i derped hard. I would have voted virtu, but I was out and I forgot...
On March 26 2013 02:31 nobodywonder wrote:well i got a feeling ##Vote: TheRavensNamei got a feeling that today's gonna be a good lynch Show nested quote +On March 24 2013 04:09 TheRavensName wrote:
##unvote Raynpelikoneet
##vote: Frorgon
I can see that it is unlikely I will get a lynch off of Ray, and I'm starting to view him more like an aggressive townie like rainbows the more this goes on. I'm siwtching my vote to Frorgon, basically because hes lurking pretty had and acting suspicious and non contributing when he actually is here (Via pushing connection cases off of nothing.) Truth be told, your reminding me of arctic, someone who would probably get away if he lurked a little more and only makes himself look bad whenever he posts. I haven't posted against V simply because I don't think hes scum. I don't see a way to defend him, nor do I feel like I should, but I don't feel like I should go after him if I don't feel hes an issue. Raven killed Frogron. bolded words. strange. "I don't see a way to defend him, nor do I feel I should." what does this even mean? as a town mentality, it simply doesn't make any sense, why imply that virtu is town, and then mention no way to defend or should defend V. garbage filler post obvi. no need to mention virtu, and the explanation on frorgon is rather weak. lol he's suspicious, bad cases. nah, frorgon's cases weren't that bad, but at least he was explaining himself and I felt he was townie-ish. btw @Raven lehhsgo lynch geript and his nutter butter some other time aite ^^
I'm not sure what happened here but somehow I' m the one that killed Froron as opposed to the man who didn't vote, and now hes not voting for his suspicion? If he would have Virtu would be dead right now and Frorgon would be alive. But then he would have to have been responsable for killing someone, and apparently if hes not going to be MODKILLED for filure to vote when the rules say otherwise, why place suspicion upon himself if the Virtu lynch fails? REally if nothing else he should be lynched today for this reason alone. But apparently people are willing to let this go..
On March 27 2013 03:35 nobodywonder wrote:
so JarJar, who is your top scumread of an active poster? a vote on virtu, just doesnt cut right now since its rather useless at this point. We can always switch votes and get virtu later today if unnecessary.
And this, to me is the nail in the coffin. What does this post say? "I don't want to vote for my scum read right now, the one I kinda burried that I am against, but I would totally switch if the Raven lynch falls through and I need to save myself.
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On March 27 2013 06:58 TheRavensName wrote:
Well before you go Ray, can I get an explination as to why you think I'm scummier then NW/ I haven't actually seen a comparison between the two yet or much of a comment on NW at all from you. People you think are town think I'm town, but no one has come out as saying NW is town... You even asked him a question he has yet to answer.
You straight out lied about me questioning Frorgon. You could have done a lot more, i even told you that "the best way to defend yourself is to find us scum". You have not been interested in finding scum in the latter part of D1 and on D2. Whenever you question other people it's because someone has said something about you. It's fucking scummy. NW at least seems to be trying sometimes.
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To summarize: NW is someone who has lurked most the game and has gotten away with it by pushing a lynch on an incative guy without actually commiting, .but saying he totally would have, and now for no real reason hes swapping to me in order to keep himself alive. Thank you and have a nice day
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On March 27 2013 07:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 06:58 TheRavensName wrote:
Well before you go Ray, can I get an explination as to why you think I'm scummier then NW/ I haven't actually seen a comparison between the two yet or much of a comment on NW at all from you. People you think are town think I'm town, but no one has come out as saying NW is town... You even asked him a question he has yet to answer. You straight out lied about me questioning Frorgon. You could have done a lot more, i even told you that "the best way to defend yourself is to find us scum". You have not been interested in finding scum in the latter part of D1 and on D2. Whenever you question other people it's because someone has said something about you. It's fucking scummy. NW at least seems to be trying sometimes.
The man didn't even vote Day 1.. and hes trying? Look at his filter. He has about 26 posts total if I counted right, and 10 of them invovle flavor or geript.
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But don't forget TRN, you joined my quest against the nefarious nutter butter.
On March 22 2013 12:40 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 12:35 nobodywonder wrote:wooooooooo ~ exciting game so far ##Vote: geriptI want a nutter butter. ##Vote: GeriptI'm eating one right now... and I am making up for all the times I didn't get to do this last game.
Speaking of contributions, yes I do realize I screwed up with not voting and I don't have that many posts, but still I'm trying to be more active to make up for tomorrow.
Still that virtu guy hasn't contributed at all, if you want to talk about contributions.
And in response to you
On March 27 2013 07:11 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 17:09 nobodywonder wrote:On March 22 2013 12:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Hey all, Don't worry I wont lurk @ all once the game starts rolling. Being how I've never played against any of y'all I have nothing to base any read off so I probably wont throw down a vote untill everyone's posted a bit. time to get it rollin' then JarJar or mesa annoyed by you. mesa angry. mesa point finger of suspicion on JarJarDrinks ##FoS: JarJarDrinks This is one of NW's only post day one that doesn't contain something about EmmaWatson or Geript. The other one is him calling out Jarjar's sheeping vote and upgrading to a hand of suspicion, Outside of this he calls out mine and Jarjar's logic a few times and comments that Virtu is infact suspicious to him but doesn't even vote. Next day: Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 02:14 nobodywonder wrote:
^ woo~ excitement. yee about to get lynched. maybe i can find scum now hopefully.
about the non-vote, i derped hard. I would have voted virtu, but I was out and I forgot... Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 02:31 nobodywonder wrote:well i got a feeling ##Vote: TheRavensNamei got a feeling that today's gonna be a good lynch On March 24 2013 04:09 TheRavensName wrote:
##unvote Raynpelikoneet
##vote: Frorgon
I can see that it is unlikely I will get a lynch off of Ray, and I'm starting to view him more like an aggressive townie like rainbows the more this goes on. I'm siwtching my vote to Frorgon, basically because hes lurking pretty had and acting suspicious and non contributing when he actually is here (Via pushing connection cases off of nothing.) Truth be told, your reminding me of arctic, someone who would probably get away if he lurked a little more and only makes himself look bad whenever he posts. I haven't posted against V simply because I don't think hes scum. I don't see a way to defend him, nor do I feel like I should, but I don't feel like I should go after him if I don't feel hes an issue. Raven killed Frogron. bolded words. strange. "I don't see a way to defend him, nor do I feel I should." what does this even mean? as a town mentality, it simply doesn't make any sense, why imply that virtu is town, and then mention no way to defend or should defend V. garbage filler post obvi. no need to mention virtu, and the explanation on frorgon is rather weak. lol he's suspicious, bad cases. nah, frorgon's cases weren't that bad, but at least he was explaining himself and I felt he was townie-ish. btw @Raven lehhsgo lynch geript and his nutter butter some other time aite ^^ I'm not sure what happened here but somehow I' m the one that killed Froron as opposed to the man who didn't vote, and now hes not voting for his suspicion? If he would have Virtu would be dead right now and Frorgon would be alive. But then he would have to have been responsable for killing someone, and apparently if hes not going to be MODKILLED for filure to vote when the rules say otherwise, why place suspicion upon himself if the Virtu lynch fails? REally if nothing else he should be lynched today for this reason alone. But apparently people are willing to let this go.. Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 03:35 nobodywonder wrote:
so JarJar, who is your top scumread of an active poster? a vote on virtu, just doesnt cut right now since its rather useless at this point. We can always switch votes and get virtu later today if unnecessary. And this, to me is the nail in the coffin. What does this post say? "I don't want to vote for my scum read right now, the one I kinda burried that I am against, but I would totally switch if the Raven lynch falls through and I need to save myself.
What nail in the coffin? I may switch to virtu, but as the thread going, it's rather useless at this point, cuz the man hasn't posted. It's rather useless for discussion and learning about agendas.
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2 hours 'till the deadline. Vote count is still the same. TheRavensName is still set to be lynched.
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On March 27 2013 07:59 nobodywonder wrote:But don't forget TRN, you joined my quest against the nefarious nutter butter. Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 12:40 TheRavensName wrote:On March 22 2013 12:35 nobodywonder wrote:wooooooooo ~ exciting game so far ##Vote: geriptI want a nutter butter. ##Vote: GeriptI'm eating one right now... and I am making up for all the times I didn't get to do this last game. Speaking of contributions, yes I do realize I screwed up with not voting and I don't have that many posts, but still I'm trying to be more active to make up for tomorrow. Still that virtu guy hasn't contributed at all, if you want to talk about contributions. And in response to you Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 07:11 TheRavensName wrote:On March 22 2013 17:09 nobodywonder wrote:On March 22 2013 12:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Hey all, Don't worry I wont lurk @ all once the game starts rolling. Being how I've never played against any of y'all I have nothing to base any read off so I probably wont throw down a vote untill everyone's posted a bit. time to get it rollin' then JarJar or mesa annoyed by you. mesa angry. mesa point finger of suspicion on JarJarDrinks ##FoS: JarJarDrinks This is one of NW's only post day one that doesn't contain something about EmmaWatson or Geript. The other one is him calling out Jarjar's sheeping vote and upgrading to a hand of suspicion, Outside of this he calls out mine and Jarjar's logic a few times and comments that Virtu is infact suspicious to him but doesn't even vote. Next day: On March 26 2013 02:14 nobodywonder wrote:
^ woo~ excitement. yee about to get lynched. maybe i can find scum now hopefully.
about the non-vote, i derped hard. I would have voted virtu, but I was out and I forgot... On March 26 2013 02:31 nobodywonder wrote:well i got a feeling ##Vote: TheRavensNamei got a feeling that today's gonna be a good lynch On March 24 2013 04:09 TheRavensName wrote:
##unvote Raynpelikoneet
##vote: Frorgon
I can see that it is unlikely I will get a lynch off of Ray, and I'm starting to view him more like an aggressive townie like rainbows the more this goes on. I'm siwtching my vote to Frorgon, basically because hes lurking pretty had and acting suspicious and non contributing when he actually is here (Via pushing connection cases off of nothing.) Truth be told, your reminding me of arctic, someone who would probably get away if he lurked a little more and only makes himself look bad whenever he posts. I haven't posted against V simply because I don't think hes scum. I don't see a way to defend him, nor do I feel like I should, but I don't feel like I should go after him if I don't feel hes an issue. Raven killed Frogron. bolded words. strange. "I don't see a way to defend him, nor do I feel I should." what does this even mean? as a town mentality, it simply doesn't make any sense, why imply that virtu is town, and then mention no way to defend or should defend V. garbage filler post obvi. no need to mention virtu, and the explanation on frorgon is rather weak. lol he's suspicious, bad cases. nah, frorgon's cases weren't that bad, but at least he was explaining himself and I felt he was townie-ish. btw @Raven lehhsgo lynch geript and his nutter butter some other time aite ^^ I'm not sure what happened here but somehow I' m the one that killed Froron as opposed to the man who didn't vote, and now hes not voting for his suspicion? If he would have Virtu would be dead right now and Frorgon would be alive. But then he would have to have been responsable for killing someone, and apparently if hes not going to be MODKILLED for filure to vote when the rules say otherwise, why place suspicion upon himself if the Virtu lynch fails? REally if nothing else he should be lynched today for this reason alone. But apparently people are willing to let this go.. On March 27 2013 03:35 nobodywonder wrote:
so JarJar, who is your top scumread of an active poster? a vote on virtu, just doesnt cut right now since its rather useless at this point. We can always switch votes and get virtu later today if unnecessary. And this, to me is the nail in the coffin. What does this post say? "I don't want to vote for my scum read right now, the one I kinda burried that I am against, but I would totally switch if the Raven lynch falls through and I need to save myself. What nail in the coffin? I may switch to virtu, but as the thread going, it's rather useless at this point, cuz the man hasn't posted. It's rather useless for discussion and learning about agendas.
Its a nail because you are basically saying hes scummy and worth voting but not worth it at the same time. Yeaits not worth it cause he hasn't posted but then why even address it? At this point if h comes back and posts so he cant get mod killed, is he even worth lynching then if you think I'm scum? Likely no, so why bring it up? And I want to hear why you didn't vote for him day 1 if he was your read.
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Ontop of that: I didn't bloody focus on geript so much I forgot to vote when I realized he wasn't here NW. If were lynching people for being a lurker, then we should be lynching you considering Virtu is going to get modkilled at this rate.
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^ That is if Virtu is going to modkilled at this pt.
That guy should really post soon. So lemme just make sure.
Mods, will Virtu be mod-killed if he doesn't post D2?
Anyways, I say no nail because you are just twisting my words and reasons. So you lynch me cuz I'm a lurker. Nope, I've been active and trying to find scum.
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Virtu posted today.
On March 25 2013 20:51 virtu wrote:
I work in IT, got called in and I lost the entire of yesterday to a network crash which involved replacing main switches, had to make a temporary network out of old switches until the new ones arrived etc. I'm terribly tired today but I obviously have a lot of catching up and making up to do, especially since I also learned that whilst I've lurked and read a lot of Mafia on TL, I'm not terribly good at it myself.
Will be reading for a while, I'm also at work for the next 5 hours but I'll try and get some thoughts down, then when I get home I should have time to formulate some thoughts into posts before I fall into an abyss of sleep.
Also - I was roleblocked last night.
Also, do not speculate about modkills in the thread. Thank you.
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On March 27 2013 08:18 nobodywonder wrote:
^ That is if Virtu is going to modkilled at this pt.
That guy should really post soon. So lemme just make sure.
Mods, will Virtu be mod-killed if he doesn't post D2?
Anyways, I say no nail because you are just twisting my words and reasons. So you lynch me cuz I'm a lurker. Nope, I've been active and trying to find scum.
I have to say screw you. You have not been "active and finding scum". If raven is lynched and flips town who is mafia?
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And discussing virtu is not going to get us anywhere. Raven, convince me, i got back before the deadline.
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For the love of God ray, switch your vote to NW.Even you can see how scummy he is.
All ive seen from him is the sheep case on Raven.
This phone posting -.-
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No, just saying "change your vote, plz" does not convince me. GIVE SOME REASONS OK?
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If nobodywonder flips town, I think we know who the mafia is.
##Unvote
Vote: nobodywonder
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EBWOP
##Unvote
##Vote: nobodywonder
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BECAUSE NOBODYWONDER IS FUCKING SCUM YOU IDIOT!!!!!
Raven is displaying way more townie qualities than this guy. Raven is emotional, but in townie way imo. He actually does things and fights cases against him. Raven looks like he gives a shit about this game. You said it yourself -- nobodywonder hasnt done fuck all but jerk it to geript and sheep a case on raven.
Like holy hell if you think raven is scummier than this guy you're blind. Id rather lynch scum today, k?
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With that vote, Nobodywonder is set to be lynched. 48 minutes left
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On March 27 2013 09:10 Krafla wrote:
If nobodywonder flips town, I think we know who the mafia is.
##Unvote
Vote: nobodywonder
##unvote
##vote: Krafla
Pretty sure Krafla just outed himself here.
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Sorry about being so newbie. I guess you've gotta make mistakes to learn right?
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On March 27 2013 09:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 09:10 Krafla wrote:
If nobodywonder flips town, I think we know who the mafia is.
##Unvote
Vote: nobodywonder ##unvote
##vote: Krafla Pretty sure Krafla just outed himself here.
Lol JarJar, any excuse. And now everyone knows who the other mafia is.
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Dat lurk JJD, but is that rly a scumslip?
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On March 27 2013 09:14 Rainbows wrote:
Dat lurk JJD, but is that rly a scumslip?
Yeah that was just hilarious
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Dude changes his vote to someone saying that if he flips town, he knows who the mafia is. Is there any doubt that he's gonna flip town now?
What is you reason for voting NW Krafla?
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On March 27 2013 09:10 Rainbows wrote:
BECAUSE NOBODYWONDER IS FUCKING SCUM YOU IDIOT!!!!!
Raven is displaying way more townie qualities than this guy. Raven is emotional, but in townie way imo. He actually does things and fights cases against him. Raven looks like he gives a shit about this game. You said it yourself -- nobodywonder hasnt done fuck all but jerk it to geript and sheep a case on raven.
Like holy hell if you think raven is scummier than this guy you're blind. Id rather lynch scum today, k?
Seriously. Fuck you.
Emotional, maybe yes.
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM LYING! OR NOT DOING SHIT?
rly, are you his scumbuddy?
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Can we get a vote tally plz?
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On March 27 2013 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 09:10 Rainbows wrote:
BECAUSE NOBODYWONDER IS FUCKING SCUM YOU IDIOT!!!!!
Raven is displaying way more townie qualities than this guy. Raven is emotional, but in townie way imo. He actually does things and fights cases against him. Raven looks like he gives a shit about this game. You said it yourself -- nobodywonder hasnt done fuck all but jerk it to geript and sheep a case on raven.
Like holy hell if you think raven is scummier than this guy you're blind. Id rather lynch scum today, k? Seriously. Fuck you. Emotional, maybe yes. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM LYING! OR NOT DOING SHIT? rly, are you his scumbuddy?
YOUVE BEEN PLAYING THIS LYING CARD SINCE DAY 1, OLD HAT.
DAT CONFIRMATION BIAS. CAPSLOCK!!!!
LYING ABOUT SOMETHING MINOR =|= SCUM BRO
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On March 27 2013 09:18 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Dude changes his vote to someone saying that if he flips town, he knows who the mafia is. Is there any doubt that he's gonna flip town now?
What is you reason for voting NW Krafla?
I trust Rainbows
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why would you lie as town?
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On March 27 2013 09:13 cDgCorazon wrote:
With that vote, Nobodywonder is set to be lynched. 48 minutes left
Nobodywonder 3
TheRavensName 2
Krafla 1
Virtu isn't voting.
I'm trying to write the night post, sorry for the lack of depth.
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Carelessness. Mistakes. You act like its something sinister.
How often are scum REALLY caught in lies?
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I've made my case against NW, he doesn't have much of a filter, you can go look at it and then read his filter to confirm it. Your trying so hard Ray that I don't think even if NW said he was scum would it save me in your eyes. Jarjar and NW are the scums in this game ,and everyone else knows it except you three.
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On March 27 2013 09:24 Rainbows wrote:
Carelessness. Mistakes. You act like its something sinister.
How often are scum REALLY caught in lies?
WHEN THERE IS A FUCKING TONIE WHO KNOWS YOU ARE LYING!
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RAYS GOT ALL THE ANSWERS GUYS, HE JUST KNOWS!
FANCY THAT
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On March 27 2013 09:31 Rainbows wrote:
RAYS GOT ALL THE ANSWERS GUYS, HE JUST KNOWS!
FANCY THAT
When I say that I get in trouble...
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I really don't know what to say.
JArJAr and Krafla: Why are you unable to see Raven is mafia?
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Vote Count!
Everyone is required to vote.
Nobodywonder (3): TheRavensName, Rainbows, Krafla JarJarDrinks
TheRavensName (2): Raynpelikoneet, NobodyWonder, Krafla
Krafla (1): JarJarDrinks
Virtu (0): JarJarDrinks, Krafla
Not Voting (1): Virtu
Currently, Nobodywonder is set to be lynched! 17 minutes until lynch (01:00 GMT (+00:00)). Let me know if my counting spell was off!
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Takin' full credit for this lynch right here. Gonna be red allllll the fuck over
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JArJAr move your vote now. If you don't, fuck you.
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Doesn't a tie not help right now? Otherwise I'd have moved already.
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Are you mafia with virtu?
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##unvote
##vote: TheRavensName
But that still means NW gets lynched correct?
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On March 27 2013 09:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
##unvote
##vote: TheRavensName
But that still means NW gets lynched correct?
NW is still winning the tiebreaker, so yes. In order for TRN to get lynched he either needs another vote or NW needs to lose one.
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If either of these guys get lynched we're gong to learn something though right
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Night 2
It was the night before the first Quiddich match of the year. The Slytherin team had been banned 3 years ago for fielding 7 beaters and just hitting their opponents with their bats. Corazón was sitting in the Gryffindor Common Room, working on his Transfiguration homework, trying to transform a picture of a snake into a picture of a lion. He had managed to turn it into a dog when Jimmy came up and sat down next to him.
“Hey Corazón, can we talk?” Jimmy asked.
“Yeah sure Jimmy, what’s up?” Corazón said, putting his dog-cat-snake drawing to the side.
“I was talking to a few of the guys from Dumbledore’s Army. They said that they saw someone else run away from the scene the moment that we caught Fishgle in Professor Lockhart’s classroom. They hadn’t been able to identify him before now, but they can now say that it is Nobodywonder. We think that he set the pixies free in an attempt to frame Fishgle.”
“I see. Doesn’t Nobodywonder play for the Hufflepuff Quidditch team? The one that we are playing tomorrow?” Corazón pondered.
“Yep. What are you thinking of doing?” Jimmy said with a puzzled look on his face.
“Oh, you’ll see.” Corazón said with a grin on his face.
The next day, many of the students came out to see the Gryffindor vs. Hufflepuff match out on the Quiddich pitch. Everyone was focused on the game except for Corazón. He kept aiming the bludgers at Nobodywonder, but none of them connected. Right before the final whistle, Corazón managed to connect and hit Nobodywonder in the arm and crashed into the ground. Corazón landed down next to Nobodywonder and shouted, “Professor Lockhart! Come help Nobodywonder out!”
Professor Lockhart came out and said, “I can fix this in a snap!” and waved his wand. Nobodywonder’s pain was gone, but so was his arm. The St.Mungo’s guys came in the next day to take Nobodywonder to St.Mungo’s to regrow his right arm.
Nobodywonder, as a Dumbledore’s Army Member, was hit by a bludger in the arm and then had it magically chopped off by Professor Lockhart!
It is now Night 2. You have 23 hours (until Wednesday, Mar 27 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)) to send in your night actions to all 3 hosts. Day 3 will begin an hour later.
Final Vote Count:
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Nobodywonder (3): TheRavensName, Rainbows, Krafla JarJarDrinks
TheRavensName (3): Raynpelikoneet, NobodyWonder, JarJarDrinks, Krafla
Krafla (1): JarJarDrinks
Virtu (0): JarJarDrinks, Krafla
Not Voting (1): Virtu
Nobodywonder wins the tiebreaker due to getting 3 votes first
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you are scum unless scum are virtu&jarjar, which i don't believe.
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Absolutely shambolic. I hope there's some good mafia play in here somewhere for me to learn from afterwards
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Ray dont even try this shit. I bet krafla will condemn the fuck out of me too.
Whatever. Ill take full credit for the lynch i dont care. Just you try to lynch mw tomorrow. Im town, and ill blow your minds away.
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Seriously how was that guy town, jesus christ.
Raven i need your imput.
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You did a pretty good job of blowing our minds away today to be honest
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Thanks for the help Virtu.
Rainbows is Scum, Raven is Scum, Krafla is scum or just terribad. If theres 3 mafia then we need a hero heal tonight plus we need all need 3 townies to vote real fast tomorrow. Probably unlikely w/ virtu deciding not to play the Fn game.
So let's hope that we just have 2 scummies and 1 terribad townie.
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rofl, where did virtu go?
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I mean, you are completely leaving him out of the equation. When there is no reason to do so.
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Good question Rainbows. I... I dunno what to tell you. I thought for sure that was going to be a red flip. As to the lynch responsability, it should probably go to me instead of you. I thought for sure Jarjar and NW would be the mafia members. Now I still like Jarjar, but I want to add Ray to replace NW. Because if were going to be biased in our lynch targets, why shouldn't it work both ways/
PS: My prediction for this night phase: Rainbows will be shot, I will be majority lynched as result and mafia wins by numbers without a casuality.
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Yeah virtu's got away with this shit twice if we get as far as the next Day he's gotta be the obvious choice to get hung
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This next day is make or break... we have to be SO careful about who we choose.. are we sure we want to go after Viru?
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No, we go after you or Rainbows.
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I need to think. This is fucked up royally.
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Just come on and hit me. I don't even care as it makes my case even more valid rofl :D
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On March 27 2013 10:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No, we go after you or Rainbows.
By that logic if I had gotten lynched and flipped green, you'd be guilty then?
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I dislike Jarjar and krafia... look at how much they jumped their votes around that lynch for nothing with no real explination for either of them when they swapped their lynches. I think Ray spent too much time focusing on me when it wasn't doing any good to be the red we are looking for. He did his best to try avoiding even lynching anyone but me, only changing cause Krafia is dumb. I am way more willing to believe Jarjar is scum though, Krafia still just looks to be stupid.
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On March 27 2013 10:31 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 10:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No, we go after you or Rainbows. By that logic if I had gotten lynched and flipped green, you'd be guilty then?
No, because i'm town after all. And i don't think you're gonna flip town.
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On March 27 2013 10:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 10:31 TheRavensName wrote:On March 27 2013 10:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No, we go after you or Rainbows. By that logic if I had gotten lynched and flipped green, you'd be guilty then? No, because i'm town after all. And i don't think you're gonna flip town.
I would hate to build up the excitement for three days just for you to be wrong but.... man are you going to be disapointed. Fitting it will happen on my birthday. I will consder your tears of sadness about being wrong my gift.
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On March 27 2013 10:45 nobodywonder wrote:
My goodbye post: welp
That is an anticlimatic goodbye post. I had a good idea for mine.
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So me or ray get hit tonight obv. Maybe they go after Virtu instead but I think they leave him alone since he seems to have gone inactive.
If there's a townie among Rainbows/Raven/Krafla then they surely aren't gonna go after him since the lynch is gonna come from this group.
So in short: any roleblocker should choose from Rainbows/Raven/Krafla. Any Healer should choose from Me/Ray/Virtu.
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On March 27 2013 11:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:
So me or ray get hit tonight obv. Maybe they go after Virtu instead but I think they leave him alone since he seems to have gone inactive.
If there's a townie among Rainbows/Raven/Krafla then they surely aren't gonna go after him since the lynch is gonna come from this group.
So in short: any roleblocker should choose from Rainbows/Raven/Krafla. Any Healer should choose from Me/Ray/Virtu.
Well given how high the association case between me and Rainbows is, I doubt either of us are getting shot. I really dislike you think we should waste a healer on freaken Virtu.
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Hey Jarjar... what makes you innocoent? You voted for the mislynch both days too. You just hoped off twice on Day 2 so that it wouldn't look like you were involved in it and then jumped back onto me at the last second so you could look like your pushing for me with Ray.
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On March 27 2013 11:22 TheRavensName wrote:
Hey Jarjar... what makes you innocoent? You voted for the mislynch both days too. You just hoped off twice on Day 2 so that it wouldn't look like you were involved in it and then jumped back onto me at the last second so you could look like your pushing for me with Ray.
Yeah, ur right, I'm suspicious as fuck. You guys should probably leave me alive tonight cause u could probably get me lynched tomorrow because of how scummy I look.
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On March 27 2013 09:10 Krafla wrote:
If nobodywonder flips town, I think we know who the mafia is. Who's that?
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On March 27 2013 21:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 09:10 Krafla wrote:
If nobodywonder flips town, I think we know who the mafia is. Who's that?
I would gyess me and rainbows sense we pushed the lynch.
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On March 27 2013 11:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:
So me or ray get hit tonight obv. Maybe they go after Virtu instead but I think they leave him alone since he seems to have gone inactive.
If there's a townie among Rainbows/Raven/Krafla then they surely aren't gonna go after him since the lynch is gonna come from this group.
So in short: any roleblocker should choose from Rainbows/Raven/Krafla. Any Healer should choose from Me/Ray/Virtu.
What makes you think any sane scum would hit virtu tonight if he is town?
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On March 28 2013 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:
So me or ray get hit tonight obv. Maybe they go after Virtu instead but I think they leave him alone since he seems to have gone inactive.
If there's a townie among Rainbows/Raven/Krafla then they surely aren't gonna go after him since the lynch is gonna come from this group.
So in short: any roleblocker should choose from Rainbows/Raven/Krafla. Any Healer should choose from Me/Ray/Virtu. What makes you think any sane scum would hit virtu tonight if he is town? If they have 3 scum which seems possible, then all they need is one succesfull kill and they win. It doesn't matter who they kill so they'd go for the easiest shot.
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We are six alive. What makes you think the game is still going on if there are three scum?
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4.5 hours to get those night actions in! Please be sure to send actions to all 3 hosts to ensure that we get them. Thanks!
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On March 28 2013 04:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
We are six alive. What makes you think the game is still going on if there are three scum? Because if we stop an attack w/ a heal or roleblock. We can still win a tie tomorrow if we vote fast enough. I know that seems unlikely w/ Virtu as one of the townies, but that would be a reason the game could still be going on w/ 3 mafia.
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On March 28 2013 04:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 04:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
We are six alive. What makes you think the game is still going on if there are three scum? Because if we stop an attack w/ a heal or roleblock. We can still win a tie tomorrow if we vote fast enough. I know that seems unlikely w/ Virtu as one of the townies, but that would be a reason the game could still be going on w/ 3 mafia.
The op very specifically says the mafia instant win if they tie the number of townies. So it wouldn't matter if we have a medic that could save.
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On March 28 2013 06:15 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 04:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:On March 28 2013 04:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
We are six alive. What makes you think the game is still going on if there are three scum? Because if we stop an attack w/ a heal or roleblock. We can still win a tie tomorrow if we vote fast enough. I know that seems unlikely w/ Virtu as one of the townies, but that would be a reason the game could still be going on w/ 3 mafia. The op very specifically says the mafia instant win if they tie the number of townies. So it wouldn't matter if we have a medic that could save.
Alright I was wrong. But I think if its 3 mafia its considered inevitable because they could all instant vote the same person and then we lose for not being able to disenseminate who is the mafia as fast as they can figure out who isn't.
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The deadline to submit night actions has passed. Day 3 begins in 58 minutes.
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So if someone dies and the game doesn't end that means there's only 2 scum. One is Raven. He's needs to be autolynched tomorrow. Then whoever is alive needs to figure out whether or not Rainbows or Krafla is the other. Right now I'd say it's Rainbows but I really don't see how any of those 3 could be town. They exposed themselves @ the end of the day yesterday pretty bad and I find it hard to believe they would do that unless they knew that they could win the game w/ just a kill.
By the way, that move was only made possible by the complete screwing over of the town by Virtu. So thanks for that. Are you planning on playing anymore cause I'm pretty sure we need ur vote?
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Day 3
After the incident with Nobodywonder and Professor Lockhart “healing” Nobodywonder’s arm, the staff of Hogwarts were on high alert, waiting for the next attack on one of their students. They decided that every class would be escorted by a teacher and that curfew would be set at 7:00pm. This was always a hassle to Corazón, as running a secret underground Defense Against the Dark Arts class requires doing things at night. He lost count of how many times he had almost been caught by Filch or many of the teachers that patrolled the corridors at night. However, he managed to keep Dumbledore’s Army alive due to sheer determination and willpower. He knew that he had to stop these attacks from happening and knew that the way to do that was to continue training his fellow students. Practices ramped up to twice a week, where they learned many defensive spells and jinxes as well.
However, Corazón also knew that another attack was likely. The lack of Slytherin activity had been a ruse, to get them into a false sense of security. He knew another attack was coming, he just wasn’t sure when that would be. One night, as he was taking roll call for a DA meeting, he noticed that good ‘ol Krafla was not there. Corazón decided to take a peek out the door and look for Krafla. Sure enough, he saw Krafla being whisked away towards the outside of the school. By the time Corazón got outside, he only saw Krafla pinned to the ground...right in front of the Whomping Willow. Corazón knew that there was nothing he could do, he just turned away and cursed the Slytherins. He was done messing around.
Krafla, as a Dumbledore’s Army Member, had a date with the Whomping Willow!
It is now Day 3. You have 48 hours to lynch someone. Virtu has not been modkilled yet, and is still in the game.
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On March 28 2013 10:03 JarJarDrinks wrote:
##Vote: TheRavensName
Give me a case or something man... I need SOMETHING to work with.
On March 23 2013 05:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 05:06 Frorgon wrote:On March 22 2013 22:53 JarJarDrinks wrote:OK, now a post has stood out to me. This seems scummy: On March 22 2013 22:28 TheRavensName wrote:
I gotta agree that jarjars post and hostility might be a little suspicious... however I know I did something similar in the last nmm and ended up doing some pretty decent work so I see no reason to punish it till after other people show up. Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling. Pointing out that I'm suspicious and hostile (am I being hostile?) to make sure everybody else is aware of it but then posting a weak defense for me. Basically telling everyone: You should suspect jarjar, but I don't. So keep in mind what you said here jarjar. Now why would Raven suspect you and then soft defend you if he is scum and you are not? If you're town wouldn't he just push for your lynch? I feel like the reason for that should be obvious. Scum doesn't want to be responsible for lynching a townie but he still wants a townie lynchedSo basically he points out that I'm suspicious and hostile hoping to maybe influence some people and get me lynched. Then when I turn up green, he doesn't look suspicious because he "defended" me and can go after one of the people that voted for me. I would think that the best result for mafia is getting a townie lynched with the least amount of scum voting for that person.And notice that he still left himself an out so he could go back to voting for me if the situation required it. He said he sees "no reason to punish it till after other people show up."
The new bolded parts seem to point as much to Jarjar's voting style as it does mine. He changed around quite a bit as soon as a new person was chosen to be lynched. For example he went off me and onto frorgon as soon as I was declared the lynch, and on day two he went off NW when he was unavoidably lynched and moved to each of the other vote targets that didn't have any votes on them, which is a great strategy because it would still have gotten NW or me lynched without him having to commit to the final death.
On March 24 2013 10:04 cDgCorazon wrote:Night 1
Final Vote Count
Frorgon: (2) JarJarDrinks, TheRavensName
Krafla (2): Krafla, Raynpelikoneet
TheRavensName (1): Frorgon, JarJarDrinks,Raynpelikoneet
Virtu (1): Rainbows, Frorgon
Rainbows (1): Fishgle
JarJarDrinks (0): Raynpelikoneet
Raynpelikoneet (0): TheRavensName, Rainbows
Not Voting: (2) Virtu, Nobodywonder
On March 27 2013 10:00 cDgCorazon wrote:
[Center]Night 2
Final Vote Count:
Nobodywonder (3): TheRavensName, Rainbows, Krafla JarJarDrinks
TheRavensName (3): Raynpelikoneet, NobodyWonder, JarJarDrinks, Krafla
Krafla (1): JarJarDrinks
Virtu (0): JarJarDrinks, Krafla
Not Voting (1): Virtu
Nobodywonder wins the tiebreaker due to getting 3 votes first
[G]If everyones required to vote, why has Virtu been allowed to live for TWO DAYS without a modkill or replacement? [/g]Serriously it makes it so unfair to figure out who is who cause it seems like hes being allowed to live either to prevent a mafia instant win or to prevent there only being one mafia player and we have nothing to analyze off him to figure out which is which
I think we have two possibilities... Either the scum is Virtu and Rainbows, in which case brilliantly done Rainbows for managing to win basically alone at this rate, or Jarjar is one of the scum... and I still don't know if hes working with Rainbows or Virtu... I don't think its Ray because hes been focusing on me for so long and none of the night kills really paint against me the way they should be and most of them are people that didn't like me anyways.
This is my little case against Jarjar, I will refrain from voting until I look at everyone elses filter.
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I don't want to hear about it TheRavensName. I got my orders from Oats and that is what he said. Stop talking about it and get on with the game.
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Looked over Virtu's filter and there is like literally nothing to analyze.... (Why would you sign up if you know you never have time for a game of Mafia, the op clearly says you should have the time if you sign up and know you will need the time.) all he really does is chastise people for saying its okay to post less, says he was baiting a few reactions to see what happened and he was satisfied with them, and then he apologizes greatly for missing and doesn't return. He didn't even post during last night's phase.
I'm having a hard time choosing between Ray and Rainbows. Rainbows has spent so much time defending me and would have easily been able to jump me and get me lynched without being suspicious at all... but then again this is so WIFOM, because he played with me last game and knew my whole logic for not killing off Omni when he got very suspicious for a lot of people was that he had been sticking by me when he could have tossed me under and got me killed no problem. I also can't get over how he thought Virtu was the best lynch possible to being whatever just some lurking guy.+ Show Spoiler +On March 23 2013 00:53 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 00:48 virtu wrote:
So far the only person that's really caught my attention is ray, for how aggressive he's being, the speed of which he's exchanged his focus and vote. These are all points that have been brought up by others, but it's the only truly suspicious thing happening atm.
@ray what do you hope to achieve by switching focus at the drop of a pin with your agressiveness? two or three more posts like that and you're going after half the thread. Do you think this is an effective way to find mafia? why? Holy crap you're scum. ##Unvote
##Vote: Virtu On March 23 2013 22:18 Rainbows wrote:Virtu best lynch USA Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 23:33 virtu wrote:On March 22 2013 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I didn't mean you, i meant the other players who posted after nobodywonder FoS'd you.
Don't you find it odd that people do not talk anything relevant to the game when there is stuff to talk about? I understand people's first posts usually say nothing (or very little) but when there is something to talk about (in this case three votes and a FoS and at least one post i found interesting and worth questioning) there is no excuse to continue with posting something that does not help you find mafia.
I'm a fan of posting constructively and of posting relevant content that helps with scumhunting, but I'd just like to point two things out, firstly that it's very early in the first day, and a bit of banter shouldn't be seen as dodging posting constructively. Secondly, a few of these votes are policy votes, joke votes or votes based on a previous game. Whilst these votes DO generate discussion, it does so between the person voting and the votee. It's difficult for an outsider to post directly on these votes until a response has been made by the person being voted for, and some discussion has been generated. Which is, for example, why my opening post contained a hello and a comment about flavour. However this is no excuse to lurk for half of the day, discussion should be generated ASAP. On March 22 2013 22:53 JarJarDrinks wrote:OK, now a post has stood out to me. This seems scummy: On March 22 2013 22:28 TheRavensName wrote:
I gotta agree that jarjars post and hostility might be a little suspicious... however I know I did something similar in the last nmm and ended up doing some pretty decent work so I see no reason to punish it till after other people show up. Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling. Pointing out that I'm suspicious and hostile (am I being hostile?) to make sure everybody else is aware of it but then posting a weak defense for me. Basically telling everyone: You should suspect jarjar, but I don't. Another thing this post does that I don't like is semi-imply that it's OK to...don't know how to put it but it's OK to post less, semi-lurk or be unsure of contributing just because it's day 1 and historically tough to weed mafia out. This is infact the opposite, if anything day1 should be as discussion-filled as possible BECAUSE it's harder to find mafia d1, more effort, posts and discussion are needed. As town, you should NEVER be afraid to post. Speak your mind, as long as you keep your thoughts constructive and concise so you aren't misconstrued as trying to cause chaos in the thread you'll be fine. Sidenote: I know the two halves of this post kind of contradict each other - but both are valid points so i'm going to post them together anyway. This is virtu's first real post. I ask myself: what is he trying to accomplish here? Instead of commenting on the happenings in the thread, it is simply speaking in generalities. Town should be doing this, we should be generating discussion this way. Guys, obviously I'm pro-town if I'm suggesting we do these pro-town things but not actually do them. How does this post further towns agenda of finding scum? It doesn't. It's a pretty generic post that serves no real purpose on than for people to go "Ahh! Yes! This fine TLer right here, he is advocating pro-town things!" Here's the post that really caught my attention:
Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 00:48 virtu wrote:
So far the only person that's really caught my attention is ray, for how aggressive he's being, the speed of which he's exchanged his focus and vote. These are all points that have been brought up by others, but it's the only truly suspicious thing happening atm.
@ray what do you hope to achieve by switching focus at the drop of a pin with your agressiveness? two or three more posts like that and you're going after half the thread. Do you think this is an effective way to find mafia? why? At this point in time, I had just made a post on Ray and voted him. Virtu steps in a page later and simply casts his 'suspicion' upon him. Why is this post scummy? Because virtu is not attempting to find scum on his own. . . he is content at using my post on Ray in order to justify his 'read'. Town want to search all possible avenues, but apparently the only thing that has caught his attention is something I earlier put in bold. There was plenty of other things scummy in the thread at the time that nobody mentioned (see: frogron question). Why is virtu not trying to find scum himself? And he hasn't all game long. I won't comment on the Godfather incident. Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 01:40 virtu wrote:
It is too early to go after lurkers but not too early to notice they aren't really posting, which they should start doing asap. Outside opinions on the back and forth between you and raven, and rainbow's colourful (pun intended) contributions would be nice. What the hell is this post trying to say? So we should not go after lurkers (easy target) but we should definitely notice they aren't doing shit! So yeah guys, be suspect of lurkers right now. Pretty paramount that we notice those lurkers aren't posting, because, you know, that gets us places. virtu's defenceShow nested quote +On March 23 2013 02:50 virtu wrote:
If you take the GF thing seriously, you're stupid. I'm clearly responding to your utterly ridiculous attempt at calling me scum with an equally ridiculous response. Simple as that.
Also, your comparison is terrible, I'm ADMITTING i'm not adding anything to the thread in my own post because I know I'm not, and I have nothing to add at that moment in time. Still, I post it because it's better to post whether I agree/disagree with things others have said than to not post at all, even if it is one way scum hide amongst townies.
In AD's post he accidentally adds in the fact that he's sheeping others, in a post trying to look like he's adding to the thread. they're completely different posts. Basically flails his arms at me and calls me stupid, which made me giggle on the inside. Firstly, the comparison between his post and AD's post is concrete, dispute that all you want. Was a scummy post yo. In reference to the bolded, wtf? So you should post to agree / disagree and act all scummy as hell? IF THIS IS YOUR PHILOSOPHY ON PLAYING TOWN, PLEASE LEAVE SIR. virtu refuses to find scum on his own. AT ALL! I also thought his response to the Fishgle post was interesting. But that's for another day. Synopsis: - virtu posts paragraphs that do nothing to further towns agenda. - virtu doesn't hunt scum all game, and refuses to. - virtu openly sheeps with zero original thinking, but we should be suspect of lurkers. virtu best lynch right now, gonna be flippin' scum all over this bitch.
On March 27 2013 02:46 Rainbows wrote:
If virtu doesnt post or just pulls a krafla i will vote him in seconds. I'll be more than happy to take full credit for lynching that dude.
Why have you never voted Virtu Rainbows? Why? Hes been your scum read the entire game and you could have went after him day 2... there were TWO votes on him, and you would have put him with NW and Me. He has also been connected to each of the Nightkills by saying they would be kinda eh lynches but were still stupid the day before, (He bashed Fringle, and krafia but said they would be kinda yick lynches.)
I need a response on this case ASAP Rainbows, as well as Feedback on both the lynch yesterday and the night kill.
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EBWOP: I was writing that before I saw the post Cora. Please forgive the complaining again. It was more for him whenever he shows up or looks for the results of the game.
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I will post a case on Ray tomorrow, my head is hurting too much to read anymore right now. Plus I would like to see feedback first as well as any responses from him. I know that if him and Jarjar are scum its going to be impossible for me to live without Virtu coming back anyways.
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##Vote:JarjarDinks
Sleepy time now Point of this vote: Hope whoever checks this first votes for him and isn't one of the mafia.
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##Vote: Rainbows
Not apologising for being hit by an unavoidable train of IRL/Work shit, when I joined the game I obviously had the time to play it out properly. will apologise for not even voting though, poor effort.
Btw lol kill rainbows Jesus, 100% scum.
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EBWOP: sounded colder than intended, obviously I'm not happy about the game being partially ruined by my absence, to the players and hosts.
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virtu: Look at Raven's three last posts and tell me what do you see?
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EBWOP: Above question is to everyone else too.
I can't be much online today. I might make a post late tonight if i have enough time to reread all filters and actually think about stuff. I really didn't think Krafla would die, that threw me a bit off.
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Ray. What do you think of Rainbows?
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On March 28 2013 21:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Above question is to everyone else too.
I can't be much online today. I might make a post late tonight if i have enough time to reread all filters and actually think about stuff. I really didn't think Krafla would die, that threw me a bit off.
What about you Ray? What do you see? and TBH, Krafia makes the most sense. He was brushed off as a stupid townie, the only person more then one has confirmed town. Virtu has been lurking the longest out of everyone so hes a waste of a kill because hes such a mystery, Jarjar and you have been gunning for me for a while so killing me is a poor choice, and Rainbows is just as suspicious so killing him makes no sense either.TBH now that Virtu is back I'm tempted to switch my vote to him.
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On March 28 2013 22:36 TheRavensName wrote:
Jarjar and you have been gunning for me for a while so killing me is a poor choice
This statement only makes sense coming from someone that knows that Ray and I are both town.
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Raven: I see you calling everyone but virtu scum without no reasoning.
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I'll elaborate on Rainbows and others when i have time to read the filters.
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On March 28 2013 22:46 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 22:36 TheRavensName wrote:
Jarjar and you have been gunning for me for a while so killing me is a poor choice This statement only makes sense coming from someone that knows that Ray and I are both town.
Yeah and that.
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On March 28 2013 22:46 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 22:36 TheRavensName wrote:
Jarjar and you have been gunning for me for a while so killing me is a poor choice This statement only makes sense coming from someone that knows that Ray and I are both town.
Doesn't matter if you are both town, only one of you is, or if Rainbows and Virtu are the towns. Killing me makes it so you two will vote elsewhere, possibly on the scum if it is not you two. TBH out of everyone left, I think Ray is least likely to be scum.
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On March 28 2013 22:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Raven: I see you calling everyone but virtu scum without no reasoning.
Please explain this without the double negative that is aggrivating my head.
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Wait, I meant to say Ray is most likely to be town. Rainbows and Jarjar are tied for the likely scums in my eyes.
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On March 28 2013 23:02 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 22:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Raven: I see you calling everyone but virtu scum without no reasoning. Please explain this without the double negative that is aggrivating my head.
rofl sorry. With no reasoning.
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On March 28 2013 23:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 23:02 TheRavensName wrote:On March 28 2013 22:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Raven: I see you calling everyone but virtu scum without no reasoning. Please explain this without the double negative that is aggrivating my head. rofl sorry. With no reasoning.
I explained my reasoning. I think rainbows is right about this confirmation bias you got going.
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On March 28 2013 13:51 TheRavensName wrote:
I will post a case on Ray tomorrow, my head is hurting too much to read anymore right now. Plus I would like to see feedback first as well as any responses from him. I know that if him and Jarjar are scum its going to be impossible for me to live without Virtu coming back anyways.
On March 28 2013 14:16 TheRavensName wrote:
##Vote:JarjarDinks
Sleepy time now Point of this vote: Hope whoever checks this first votes for him and isn't one of the mafia.
On March 28 2013 15:41 TheRavensName wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Rainbows
Elaborate please. How is there reasoning and how are you not calling us all mafia?
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On March 28 2013 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 13:51 TheRavensName wrote:
I will post a case on Ray tomorrow, my head is hurting too much to read anymore right now. Plus I would like to see feedback first as well as any responses from him. I know that if him and Jarjar are scum its going to be impossible for me to live without Virtu coming back anyways. Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 14:16 TheRavensName wrote:
##Vote:JarjarDinks
Sleepy time now Point of this vote: Hope whoever checks this first votes for him and isn't one of the mafia. Elaborate please. How is there reasoning and how are you not calling us all mafia?
I posted cases on Jarjar and Rainbows, your more tehn welcomed to read them I didn't post one Virtu cause hes too difficult and I think a flip would tell us more, and I actually called you town.
Side question, did anyone get roleblocked? That would tell us alot about virtu.
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On March 23 2013 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't understand why Frorgon thinks Raven and JarJar are both scum given what Raven said. First of all, you can't base JarJar's alignment on what Raven says about him. It only gives us clues about Raven's alignment. It's not uncommon for mafia to soft/hard defend townies to make them look worse in case the mafia guy flips. Second of all, do not make connection cases pre-flip, that's just dumb.
So in my eyes Frorgon looks worse.
This is something that stands out to me when I look at your filter ray that I would like explained. Why have you not called out Rainbow as scummy, and I mean REALLY called him out, for defending me so hard/ Your whole early case was based on me defending Jarjar... but Rainbows gets a free pass? Not only that, outside of addressing me, you have not made very many comments at rainbows at all. I thnk theres a good chance that if Rainbows flips red, your the other red. You guys are avoiding making cases against the same people, which is rather easy sense your focused on Frorgon, Krafia, and Me, while Rainbows went after virtu, Nobodywonder, ad Jarjar... who you have defended.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Rainbows
While I'm still pretty sure Rainbow and Raven are the baddies, I think there's a slight chance that rainbows and ray have had me bamboozled the whole game.
So while it's possible for Rainbows to be scum and Raven to not be. I don't see any situation where Raven is scum but Rainbows isn't.
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How have you gone the entire game without making a single real case Jarjar?
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Sorry guise working alllll the days right now
At a computer soon. Good news is that judging from recent events ive pinned the scumteam. All will be clear soon enough.
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On March 29 2013 03:33 Rainbows wrote:
Sorry guise working alllll the days right now
At a computer soon. Good news is that judging from recent events ive pinned the scumteam. All will be clear soon enough.
Lovely cause it seems your the victim of note right now.
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Just been informed that I someone forgot to inform me that I was roleblocked again last night, so yeah that's the second time.
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I am Ron Weasley!. Oh I bet the scumteam is so fucking pissed right now. So mad. SO MAD!! Ahahaha! You have no idea how good it feels to let all this go :D
Here I was, thinking I was being so obvious with it. I thought Raven was town, but people were going at him from everywhere. I had to check him. Just check my filter. Day 2 is 'holy fuck Raven is town don't lynch him' because I had the green check.
On March 26 2013 23:43 Rainbows wrote:
TRN is so town guys -.-
Get the fuck off of him. Kill virtu / kill NW. Everyone keeps saying Raven's play is different and he's lying or whatever, but he's coming off super townie to me right now.
Like I can't believe people didn't notice it how blatantly cop I was. I was one step away from claiming right then haha.
I chose to check Raven because it would give me information nobody else had about the upcoming day 2 lynch. Also, I wasn't sure if Virtu was going to be modkilled / flipped so it may have been waste of a check. Raven was a cornerstone that needed to be checked. It made me think Ray could be scum for pushing it, and guess what? He is. We'll get to that later.
I was about to claim and prevent the Raven lynch, but luckily I was able to divert it onto someone who I thought was scum. Also fortunately, scum either don't have a roleblocker or didn't roleblock me last night, because I checked Virtu. He's town as well. Unless there's some sort of GF situation going on, I think this games in the bag for town. Got all my checks off without a hitch, and I love you guys. Can't believe the scum didn't hit me Day 1, though I can understand them keeping me alive after I drove the lynch on NW xD.
Raven = town
Virtu = (stupid) town
Me = town
JarJar / Ray scumteam. GG
##Vote: JarJarDrinks
There is only one flaw in my logic... if virtu is the GF...
+ Show Spoiler +Cute. Your tone so far has been confident bordering on arrogant. Traits commonly found in a new player that thinks he's invincible when he gets Godfather handed to him and doesn't know what to do with it.
Like ugh. I really doubt that's the case, but even so it still means one of jarjar/ray is scum.
Happy Birthday Raven, you're about to see the gift of red blood grace your fingertips. I am going to be making cases on JarJar and Ray just to set the nail in the coffin.
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Raven you're the only person I can really trust right now.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402424¤tpage=19#365
What do you think of the lynch at this point and forward? Me and Ray have a shouting match back and forth, JarJar votes Krafla uselessly... etc etc. I think it says alot. Ray keeps pressuring you because he knew NW would flip town, While JarJar gets on the 'wagon of justice' to separate himself from the NW lynch.
So fucking happy I got this in the bag right now. Jarjar voting with Raven who he thinks is scum is also hilariously scummy. Yeah just try to lynch me, buddy.
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On March 28 2013 10:03 JarJarDrinks wrote:
##Vote: TheRavensName
On March 28 2013 22:46 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 22:36 TheRavensName wrote:
Jarjar and you have been gunning for me for a while so killing me is a poor choice This statement only makes sense coming from someone that knows that Ray and I are both town.
Yeah Raven definitely scum.
Raven votes rainbows... ez mislynch!
On March 29 2013 03:05 JarJarDrinks wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Rainbows
While I'm still pretty sure Rainbow and Raven are the baddies, I think there's a slight chance that rainbows and ray have had me bamboozled the whole game.
So while it's possible for Rainbows to be scum and Raven to not be. I don't see any situation where Raven is scum but Rainbows isn't.
Yeah JarJar is pretty much claiming scum at this point.
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I guess this actually makes the NK's make sense, especially Krafla.
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On March 28 2013 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 13:51 TheRavensName wrote:
I will post a case on Ray tomorrow, my head is hurting too much to read anymore right now. Plus I would like to see feedback first as well as any responses from him. I know that if him and Jarjar are scum its going to be impossible for me to live without Virtu coming back anyways. Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 14:16 TheRavensName wrote:
##Vote:JarjarDinks
Sleepy time now Point of this vote: Hope whoever checks this first votes for him and isn't one of the mafia. Elaborate please. How is there reasoning and how are you not calling us all mafia?
Elaborate please on how Raven is confirmed town and how you are scum
Here's my original case on Ray:
On March 23 2013 00:07 Rainbows wrote:Sup dudes. I'd rather kill Ray right now. Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 22 2013 23:03 Frorgon wrote:
What's wrong Raven? You guys trying to cover each other's ass? If they are covering each other, why would JarJar point out Raven's suspicious actions? - Raven "agrees with me" that JarJar is hostile. I have never implied i think JarJar is being hostile. Raven is basically saying Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 21:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 22 2013 12:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Hey all, Don't worry I wont lurk @ all once the game starts rolling. Being how I've never played against any of y'all I have nothing to base any read off so I probably wont throw down a vote untill everyone's posted a bit. It's pretty interesting you say this. How do you propose we actually get the game going if everyone acts like this? Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you feel like you have to tell people you won't be lurking when nobody is even accusing you of lurking?
Why so defensive? Afraid of something? You never implied JarJar was hostile...but you were voting him and calling him out on a bunch of shit. Apparently you had a reason to believe he is scum (hostile, yes?). Then,you proceed to sheep his quote on Raven. What were you trying to accomplish here? Because it certainly doesn't seem town-motivated to be questioning a 'scum read' and then switching bases completely when he picks up something moderately scummy in someone else.##Vote: RaySo, bro, tell me, what IS your stance on JarJar? Did your read on him suddenly evaporate?
Now I realize why Ray did this. A distancing attempt with JarJar, to stir up some scummy things in someone else. Dropping everything completely on his scumbuddy to pursue Raven.
They haven't really mentioned each other at all since then, up until last night I believe. He thinks him or Ray will be shot, something or other.
Also notice JarJar's day 2 play: He parked his vote on virtu to 'pressure' him, and then chastises me for not doing so. Dafaq? I don't think he was doing anything, just waiting for NW / Raven to be mislynched.
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##Unvote
##Vote: JarJarDrinks
Nicely played Rainbows. I'm VT, and have been roleblocked twice this game, guess scum couldn't afford to kill me because I've been useless to town but were scared I was a blue. I was sure you were either Blue or Mafia by the end of D1 from your play.
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##Vote: JarjarDrinks
Dear god Rainbows you scared me. I was almost certain Virtu was going to be our only blue role and that it would be you and Ray scum team with Ray tunneling me while you focused on other people. The more I thought about my logic on Ray being town, the less it made sense. (At this point if its a fake blue claim, bravo... We are kind of forced to act on it at this point.)
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Expect either a shitstorm or a hard concede. Raven, I've never played as scum but I don't think I'd defend you like that if I were red, ever. The object of the game is to lynch opposing faction not defend them T.T.
Why did you think I was scum, anyway? I thought I was pretty obviously town.
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There is only one flaw in my logic... if virtu is the GF... What about if Raven is the GF? How come that's not a possibility?
Virtu, the reason he said that you might be the GF is he left himself an out just in case you counterclaimed Ron. There's absolutely no reason for that sentence not to be: "There is only one flaw in my logic... if virtu or Raven is the GF..."
I guess there's no reason not claim now since the game is about to be won or lost based on this lynch. I'm Hermione Granger . I dare you to counterclaim Raven.
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On March 29 2013 08:21 JarJarDrinks wrote:What about if Raven is the GF? How come that's not a possibility? Virtu, the reason he said that you might be the GF is he left himself an out just in case you counterclaimed Ron. There's absolutely no reason for that sentence not to be: "There is only one flaw in my logic... if virtu or Raven is the GF..." I guess there's no reason not claim now since the game is about to be won or lost based on this lynch. I'm Hermione Granger . I dare you to counterclaim Raven.
You have done, a shitty shitty job of protecting people then.
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Especially sense the Krafia night hit was so so so EASY to predict. Shooing ray makes me look bad, and if me or Rainbows was mob that would be a poor choice, Virtu was an unknown so he couldn't be hit. I would be a bad shot cause I've been a high lynch canidate sense day 1, and that would just leave you. But Krafia....He was the only one who actually had townie reads from anyone and more then one person. Plus, there is no way mafia got GF and MafiaRB. No way.
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If you're the doctor why the fuck didn't you say so when you first got in here D3?
That's my concern.
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On March 29 2013 08:13 Rainbows wrote:
Expect either a shitstorm or a hard concede. Raven, I've never played as scum but I don't think I'd defend you like that if I were red, ever. The object of the game is to lynch opposing faction not defend them T.T.
Why did you think I was scum, anyway? I thought I was pretty obviously town.
I sort of elaborated on it. Truth be told I'm not convinced your NOT scum at this point either... but if your willing to blue claim at this point I don't care. I know Ray and Jarjar can't be blues as the way ray has been tunneling me says he would have checked me first, and jarjar has given no hint of thinking anyone but ray is town. So if Virtu isn't going to dispute it I won't either.
However, the thing that pinged at the back of my mind is that you've played with me before. You would know from the previous game that I didn't go on the Omni wagon when it started because he was defending me so hard it didn't make sense to me he would do so if scum, so I thought it was possible you would pull that here. In which case you and Ray, who I thought was most likely to be scum if you were and the only option if Jarjar was, could alternate between playing hard defense without it being challenged with more attacks on me, and you gong after other people for him which would only risk exposing one of you, plus it was stated a few times the night kills poisioned the opinion on you two the most, and this was said by both you and ray almost immediatly.
TBH, Jarjar and Ray were my original reads... but I kind of brushed Ray off because, why waste all his time tunneling me? It could easily be costing him lynches. However, it always bothered me how easily he was willing to change over small things before going back to them, I kind of pushed them aside. Jarjar was a null/green read before last night phase actually. The way he jumped off the NW lynch to force a tie and voted around when he could look less guilty for a myslynched rub me really wrong.
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How many Newbie games you got left rainbows?
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This is my second game soooo... 1 or 2 right?
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I'm not down with all this meta stuff anyway, seems kinda weird to me.
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On March 29 2013 08:32 Rainbows wrote:
This is my second game soooo... 1 or 2 right?
Its 3 total. So yea, one more. I think I might have 1 more left sense my first one was all the way back at Newbie Mini Mafia 9? Something like that and I was subbed in the day before the game ended.
Anyways: Theres only one scenario where Jarjar is medic and Rainbows is cop, because we can not have a godfather and no cop, and that would be Rey and Virtu... with virtu faking his RB claims on himself. But if thats the case, why are we not lynching Rey? I mean... I'm cool either way but still.
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A scum is a scum. Makes no difference to me.
##Unvote
##Vote: Ray
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On March 29 2013 08:32 Rainbows wrote:
I'm not down with all this meta stuff anyway, seems kinda weird to me.
Oh its a horrible horrible thing. But its something you think about when your playing someone more then once. TBH, I don't think this was a very good game wether mafia wins by you faking this claim, or we win, or they win anyways cause its rey and virtu. It was.. just not a fun game. I hope the next one is better. I also hope I get to have something other then x3 VT, and I really want SK or Mob.
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Unless you're trying to take the credit for my lynch -.-
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Raven I think you just didn't like it because you got attacked the entire game by some scummer who was ignorant, etc.
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On March 29 2013 08:36 Rainbows wrote:
Unless you're trying to take the credit for my lynch -.-
No no. Put it back on jarjar. His claim is enough to make me want him dead, especially sense hes specificall challenging me. If he was town he would be challenging your claim on that logic. Who was your other check by the way?
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##Unvote
##Vote: JarJarDrinks
Virtu. Clean and green.
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On March 29 2013 08:37 Rainbows wrote:
Raven I think you just didn't like it because you got attacked the entire game by some scummer who was ignorant, etc.
I think I understand why NW lurked so much last game until the last day. Its hard to do anything cause I pushed a few cases that didn't seem to go anywhere, got stuck with the victim lynches, and probably shot myself in the foot with NW this game. So you start to get scared about shit what if this case is the one that gets me killed and nets the town one less when were already down a couple with no success. Ontop of that, I don't like only 9 people. Its a little too small for my taste, and alot of the games I keep browsing over, (Like the Game.) are all big ones, which are much more fun. Theres more to analyze and ways to judge peoples actions. This was HEy there are two wagons going, which do you like better?
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On March 29 2013 08:41 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 08:37 Rainbows wrote:
Raven I think you just didn't like it because you got attacked the entire game by some scummer who was ignorant, etc. I think I understand why NW lurked so much last game until the last day. Its hard to do anything cause I pushed a few cases that didn't seem to go anywhere, got stuck with the victim lynches, and probably shot myself in the foot with NW this game. So you start to get scared about shit what if this case is the one that gets me killed and nets the town one less when were already down a couple with no success. Ontop of that, I don't like only 9 people. Its a little too small for my taste, and alot of the games I keep browsing over, (Like the Game.) are all big ones, which are much more fun. Theres more to analyze and ways to judge peoples actions. This was HEy there are two wagons going, which do you like better?
I agree. The amount of inactivity was totally infuriating to say the least. I really want to get into a big big game with like 5-6 scum. Now that's epic.
In such a small game things seem to get personal pretty quickly.
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On March 29 2013 08:43 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 08:41 TheRavensName wrote:On March 29 2013 08:37 Rainbows wrote:
Raven I think you just didn't like it because you got attacked the entire game by some scummer who was ignorant, etc. I think I understand why NW lurked so much last game until the last day. Its hard to do anything cause I pushed a few cases that didn't seem to go anywhere, got stuck with the victim lynches, and probably shot myself in the foot with NW this game. So you start to get scared about shit what if this case is the one that gets me killed and nets the town one less when were already down a couple with no success. Ontop of that, I don't like only 9 people. Its a little too small for my taste, and alot of the games I keep browsing over, (Like the Game.) are all big ones, which are much more fun. Theres more to analyze and ways to judge peoples actions. This was HEy there are two wagons going, which do you like better? I agree. The amount of inactivity was totally infuriating to say the least. I really want to get into a big big game with like 5-6 scum. Now that's epic. In such a small game things seem to get personal pretty quickly.
Maybe not even liek 5 or 6 but the last game we did was pretty decent too, so I would be okay with like 3 or 4.
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On March 29 2013 08:45 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 08:43 Rainbows wrote:On March 29 2013 08:41 TheRavensName wrote:On March 29 2013 08:37 Rainbows wrote:
Raven I think you just didn't like it because you got attacked the entire game by some scummer who was ignorant, etc. I think I understand why NW lurked so much last game until the last day. Its hard to do anything cause I pushed a few cases that didn't seem to go anywhere, got stuck with the victim lynches, and probably shot myself in the foot with NW this game. So you start to get scared about shit what if this case is the one that gets me killed and nets the town one less when were already down a couple with no success. Ontop of that, I don't like only 9 people. Its a little too small for my taste, and alot of the games I keep browsing over, (Like the Game.) are all big ones, which are much more fun. Theres more to analyze and ways to judge peoples actions. This was HEy there are two wagons going, which do you like better? I agree. The amount of inactivity was totally infuriating to say the least. I really want to get into a big big game with like 5-6 scum. Now that's epic. In such a small game things seem to get personal pretty quickly. Maybe not even liek 5 or 6 but the last game we did was pretty decent too, so I would be okay with like 3 or 4.
Lol Raven, I really want to roll scum with you. You can bus me if you want :D
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The Krafia shot still gets me a little. I think if Mafia really wanted to make sure they won they would have shot either you or Virtu, which is the only issue I have with your claim. While hes the only one we both claimed was town, he was already pretty ready to vote on me... so they shoot one of you two, blame me, and then boom instant lynch.
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On March 29 2013 08:46 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 08:45 TheRavensName wrote:On March 29 2013 08:43 Rainbows wrote:On March 29 2013 08:41 TheRavensName wrote:On March 29 2013 08:37 Rainbows wrote:
Raven I think you just didn't like it because you got attacked the entire game by some scummer who was ignorant, etc. I think I understand why NW lurked so much last game until the last day. Its hard to do anything cause I pushed a few cases that didn't seem to go anywhere, got stuck with the victim lynches, and probably shot myself in the foot with NW this game. So you start to get scared about shit what if this case is the one that gets me killed and nets the town one less when were already down a couple with no success. Ontop of that, I don't like only 9 people. Its a little too small for my taste, and alot of the games I keep browsing over, (Like the Game.) are all big ones, which are much more fun. Theres more to analyze and ways to judge peoples actions. This was HEy there are two wagons going, which do you like better? I agree. The amount of inactivity was totally infuriating to say the least. I really want to get into a big big game with like 5-6 scum. Now that's epic. In such a small game things seem to get personal pretty quickly. Maybe not even liek 5 or 6 but the last game we did was pretty decent too, so I would be okay with like 3 or 4. Lol Raven, I really want to roll scum with you. You can bus me if you want :D
See thats how you can tell I'm not a God Father. I LOVE to bus people like day 2. Especially in a small game like this where your unlikely to have many power roles and your almost certain to get away with it because you only need a small amount of town cred. You bus the RBer if there isn't another one, you shoot someone, bury someone, and then yay:You win cause no one can tell if its you or not. Though TBH, this game I would have probably taken the bussing because of how it was written against me.
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I feel like cop is an OP role if scum leave him... *glasses* unchecked
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
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TRN, Rainbows' claim is far more belivable for 2 reasons, one being that his soft defense of you turned into a hard defense after his check of you, and secondly because he stopped tunneling me HARD when he checked me. If Rainbows is Scum he deserves the win, I think our best shot as Town is to side with him and stick it out.
Also i'd prefer to kill JarJar after that claim to be honest, It stinks of fakeclaim (no crumbs, doesn't specify his targets each night, doesn't aim the claim at rainbows but at TRN).
Also Also, I kinda think the reason scum left Rainbows alive is because of how hard he has tunneled me this game, I imagine scum thought it easy to jump on a Rainbows' fuelled wagon on me lategame to secure a victory (also the reason why they left me alive, that and why shoot someone who is useless to town).
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On March 29 2013 09:03 virtu wrote:
TRN, Rainbows' claim is far more belivable for 2 reasons, one being that his soft defense of you turned into a hard defense after his check of you, and secondly because he stopped tunneling me HARD when he checked me. If Rainbows is Scum he deserves the win, I think our best shot as Town is to side with him and stick it out.
Also i'd prefer to kill JarJar after that claim to be honest, It stinks of fakeclaim (no crumbs, doesn't specify his targets each night, doesn't aim the claim at rainbows but at TRN).
Also Also, I kinda think the reason scum left Rainbows alive is because of how hard he has tunneled me this game, I imagine scum thought it easy to jump on a Rainbows' fuelled wagon on me lategame to secure a victory (also the reason why they left me alive, that and why shoot someone who is useless to town).
Yea but Either way why leave rainbows out of the three of us? Krafia was going to vote for me, or atleast I think he was and I think he died cause Jarjar wasn't sure if he was going after me or him. If they shoot either you or rainbows, they got krafia to 3 man it.
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Also I know his claim is believable,but I am of the opinion no one is innocent until they flip or the game actually ends.
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On March 29 2013 09:16 TheRavensName wrote:
Also I know his claim is believable,but I am of the opinion no one is innocent until they flip or the game actually ends.
And how nobody saw you as town, I have no idea.
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On March 29 2013 09:17 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 09:16 TheRavensName wrote:
Also I know his claim is believable,but I am of the opinion no one is innocent until they flip or the game actually ends. And how nobody saw you as town, I have no idea.
Well look at who didn't see me as town: Krafia and NW (Who were kind of lazy and made dumb and questionable decisions in both the games we've played with them.) and the two scum players.
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I really think they kept me alive to preserve the raven / rainbows scumteam theory, yes? Killed krafla to frame us.
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Raven you fucking breadcrumbed watcher, and are obvious scum.
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On March 29 2013 09:20 Rainbows wrote:
I really think they kept me alive to preserve the raven / rainbows scumteam theory, yes? Killed krafla to frame us.
ID have killed you, hoped Virtu was stupid or not showing up, and pushed me. Or I'd have pushed Virtu see what happens.
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How can anyone beleive this claim?
Rainbows, you go off for all of day 1 about how Virtu is Scum. How if we lynch him, we win the game. How we "gonna be flippin' scum all over this bitch". You wrote his name in red several times. He's obviously your top scum read. So you do what any cop would do that @ that point. YOU INVESTIGATE SOMEONE ELSE. And not just anyone else, YOU INVESTIGATE SOMEONE THAT YOU DEFENDED THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
Virtu, please tell me you don't actually believe that a cop would investigate his top town read as opposed to his top scum read????
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On March 24 2013 01:05 Rainbows wrote:
I can agree with you on fishgle. But imo raven just seems emotional and not nonsensical. Virtu is making sense, if thats how you want to put it, but that sense is anti-town from what ive seen.
^^His last post of day 1^^
No one can really believe that a cop goes ahead and investigates raven and not Virtu @ this point? Who investigates to confirm their town read? Like how can anyone even consider that to be true?
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On March 29 2013 11:07 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2013 01:05 Rainbows wrote:
I can agree with you on fishgle. But imo raven just seems emotional and not nonsensical. Virtu is making sense, if thats how you want to put it, but that sense is anti-town from what ive seen.
^^His last post of day 1^^ No one can really believe that a cop goes ahead and investigates raven and not Virtu @ this point? Who investigates to confirm their town read? Like how can anyone even consider that to be true?
Keep flailing Jar. Virtu had the likelihood of being modkilled for not voting, checking him could have been a mistake D1. Who knows, maybe Ray was right about Raven. By investigating Raven I was sure that A) I was correct in my read and B) Knew the motivations of Ray. It also helped me prevent the lynch on Raven D2 (although, it was still on town lol)
If he had been red, well, that's a whole different story.
If you think I spent half of D2 arguing in all caps at Ray to make myself look bad for a NW flip, you're also crazy. In addition If I was fakeclaiming I would have just said gg virtu scum and mislynch him.
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So jarjar.. Why should we believe your medic claim? You have made no attempts to prove it, you didn't claim it till after the cop claim trashed you, and you haven't given us a protection list.
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Lol @ calling out your ridiculous roleclaim with completely valid questions = me flailing
On March 29 2013 11:16 Rainbows wrote:
Virtu had the likelihood of being modkilled for not voting, checking him could have been a mistake D1. Oh ok, then WHY DID YOU CHECK HIM ON NIGHT 2? Did him not voting day 2 somehow make you think he was less likely to be modkilled then him not voting on day 1?
By investigating Raven I was sure that A) I was correct in my read and B) Knew the motivations of Ray. A) More Lawls @ using your cop ability to confirm a town read instead of going after scum. Just hilarious.
B) How could you know what Rays motivation is based on raven? You don't think it's possible for a townie to accuse another townie?
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On March 29 2013 11:35 JarJarDrinks wrote:Lol @ calling out your ridiculous roleclaim with completely valid questions = me flailing Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 11:16 Rainbows wrote:
Virtu had the likelihood of being modkilled for not voting, checking him could have been a mistake D1. Oh ok, then WHY DID YOU CHECK HIM ON NIGHT 2? Did him not voting day 2 somehow make you think he was less likely to be modkilled then him not voting on day 1? Show nested quote +By investigating Raven I was sure that A) I was correct in my read and B) Knew the motivations of Ray. A) More Lawls @ using your cop ability to confirm a town read instead of going after scum. Just hilarious. B) How could you know what Rays motivation is based on raven? You don't think it's possible for a townie to accuse another townie?
Nice lol's.
Because it was obvious he wasn't going to get modkilled at that point. People already weren't voting (including NW) and Oats didn't want to modkill anyone. He was a wildcard at that point, and probobly wasn't going to get shot based on that. I wasn't going to get shot because I pwned NW D2.
Scum like to tunnel townies all day. That's what Ray did the entire game was tunnel Raven. Raven was the epicenter of many conversations, and knowing his alignment tells me more about everyone, not just Ray. He may have been red, and then there we have a free red lynch. But seeing as he was town, I was able to convince people to not let Ray lynch the fucking shit out of him D2.
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I gave people over 24 hours to think about this claim.
Everyone look at my filter if you have any shred of doubt about the green check on Raven N1.
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On March 29 2013 11:27 TheRavensName wrote:
So jarjar.. Why should we believe your medic claim? You have made no attempts to prove it, you didn't claim it till after the cop claim trashed you, and you haven't given us a protection list.
Bro, he needs time to doctor (pun intended) a protection list.
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On March 29 2013 11:27 TheRavensName wrote:
So jarjar.. Why should we believe your medic claim? Have I given any reason not to believe it?
You have made no attempts to prove it How in the world could I prove it?
you didn't claim it till after the cop claim trashed you Why would I have claimed it before?
and you haven't given us a protection list. I don't get how giving out who I targetted could help prove anything but sure I guess. I targetted Ray and Virtu.
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On March 29 2013 11:44 JarJarDrinks wrote:Why would I have claimed it before?
It's lylo. Everyone should claim right away, because you need to lynch scum. Confirmed town = pretty good thing to have.
Bed time.
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On March 29 2013 11:44 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 11:27 TheRavensName wrote:
So jarjar.. Why should we believe your medic claim? You have made no attempts to prove it, you didn't claim it till after the cop claim trashed you, and you haven't given us a protection list. Bro, he needs time to doctor (pun intended) a protection list. I never even considered a protection list as something that should come w/ a roleclaim since it tells the mafia who I can't kill the next night. But yeah I guess it doesn't matter @ this point since the game is pretty much gonna be decided on the lynch today.
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On March 29 2013 11:52 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 11:44 JarJarDrinks wrote:you didn't claim it till after the cop claim trashed you Why would I have claimed it before? It's lylo. Everyone should claim right away, because you need to lynch scum. Confirmed town = pretty good thing to have. Bed time. So then why did you wait almost a whole day to claim?
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On March 29 2013 11:44 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 11:27 TheRavensName wrote:
So jarjar.. Why should we believe your medic claim? Have I given any reason not to believe it? How in the world could I prove it? Why would I have claimed it before? I don't get how giving out who I targetted could help prove anything but sure I guess. I targetted Ray and Virtu.
Well it proved if you are medic... you picked the worst person to pretend to doctor night 2. Should have said Ray again. Virtu doesn't make sense with how late in the game it is.
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On March 29 2013 11:58 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 11:52 Rainbows wrote:On March 29 2013 11:44 JarJarDrinks wrote:you didn't claim it till after the cop claim trashed you Why would I have claimed it before? It's lylo. Everyone should claim right away, because you need to lynch scum. Confirmed town = pretty good thing to have. Bed time. So then why did you wait almost a whole day to claim?
It was his second post of the day!
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On March 29 2013 11:58 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 11:52 Rainbows wrote:On March 29 2013 11:44 JarJarDrinks wrote:you didn't claim it till after the cop claim trashed you Why would I have claimed it before? It's lylo. Everyone should claim right away, because you need to lynch scum. Confirmed town = pretty good thing to have. Bed time. So then why did you wait almost a whole day to claim?
Because I wasn't even at a computer. You, on the other hand, were about and posting.
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On March 29 2013 12:00 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 11:44 JarJarDrinks wrote:On March 29 2013 11:27 TheRavensName wrote:
So jarjar.. Why should we believe your medic claim? Have I given any reason not to believe it? You have made no attempts to prove it How in the world could I prove it? you didn't claim it till after the cop claim trashed you Why would I have claimed it before? and you haven't given us a protection list. I don't get how giving out who I targetted could help prove anything but sure I guess. I targetted Ray and Virtu. Well it proved if you are medic... you picked the worst person to pretend to doctor night 2. Should have said Ray again. Virtu doesn't make sense with how late in the game it is. Oh trust me, I would have protected Ray again but I can't target the same person 2 nights in a row. I wasn't crazy about picking Virtu but I had the rest of u guys as likely scum. He was what was left.
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On March 29 2013 12:04 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 12:00 TheRavensName wrote:On March 29 2013 11:44 JarJarDrinks wrote:On March 29 2013 11:27 TheRavensName wrote:
So jarjar.. Why should we believe your medic claim? Have I given any reason not to believe it? You have made no attempts to prove it How in the world could I prove it? you didn't claim it till after the cop claim trashed you Why would I have claimed it before? and you haven't given us a protection list. I don't get how giving out who I targetted could help prove anything but sure I guess. I targetted Ray and Virtu. Well it proved if you are medic... you picked the worst person to pretend to doctor night 2. Should have said Ray again. Virtu doesn't make sense with how late in the game it is. Oh trust me, I would have protected Ray again but I can't target the same person 2 nights in a row. I wasn't crazy about picking Virtu but I had the rest of u guys as likely scum. He was what was left.
Oh yes that convenient little list. Why include yourself if your the medic? Or better yet: Why Virtu? He makes no sense at all. So why not include the one maybe townie on your list in Krafia?
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On March 29 2013 12:10 TheRavensName wrote:
Oh yes that convenient little list. Why include yourself if your the medic? Is that a real question? Obviously to keep myself alive. It worked pretty well since it forced you guys to kill one of my suspected scummies.
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On March 29 2013 12:15 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 12:10 TheRavensName wrote:
Oh yes that convenient little list. Why include yourself if your the medic? Is that a real question? Obviously to keep myself alive. It worked pretty well since it forced you guys to kill one of my suspected scummies.
Yea why would we kill the one guy we both agree is town and you think is scum? Thats easy enough to manipulate against. Killing you or ray is much better for us.
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Ugh. Just read through JarJar's Filter again, He's hinted a few times at least of a doc being in the game... After the D2 lynch he mentions multiple times that we need a "Hero medic", and that there could be 3 scum left even though we are 6 players because we might have a "heal/roleblock" (all before Rainbows claim).
But then again if he is a medic he's played a really shitty game because he deserves to die, SO many useless posts from a 3 page filter, one-two liners, wagon jumping and terrible "reads" (see - recycled cases and thrown together comments from other people).
Also comments on Rainbows use of his Cop checks, specifically on me, when half of his filter is spent trying to get me lynched on D2. Yes, it is true that Rainbows also went after me pretty hard, but the difference is you BOTH "used your roles" on me, and simply put a cop check after trying to get me killed makes so much more sense than tunneling me all day, sheeping off me onto nobody wonder, THEN TARGETING ME WITH YOUR MEDIC ABILITY?!?!?
I just can't believe your claim with actions like this, so my vote is staying on you.
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virtu do you think it's possible that both of the claims are true?
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On March 29 2013 19:36 virtu wrote:
Also comments on Rainbows use of his Cop checks, specifically on me, when half of his filter is spent trying to get me lynched on D2. Yes, it is true that Rainbows also went after me pretty hard, but the difference is you BOTH "used your roles" on me, and simply put a cop check after trying to get me killed makes so much more sense than tunneling me all day, sheeping off me onto nobody wonder, THEN TARGETING ME WITH YOUR MEDIC ABILITY?!?!?
Look @ these posts:
On March 27 2013 10:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Rainbows is Scum, Raven is Scum, Krafla is scum or just terribad. On March 27 2013 11:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:
If there's a townie among Rainbows/Raven/Krafla then they surely aren't gonna go after him since the lynch is gonna come from this group. I clearly thought the only townies were you, me and ray. I cant target myself and I cant target ray a 2nd night in a row. You were my choice by default. I know it didn't seem like a great choice but I felt it was the only one I had.
I even tried make it sound like attacking you would be a good idea for the mafia:
On March 28 2013 03:05 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 27 2013 11:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:
So me or ray get hit tonight obv. Maybe they go after Virtu instead but I think they leave him alone since he seems to have gone inactive.
If there's a townie among Rainbows/Raven/Krafla then they surely aren't gonna go after him since the lynch is gonna come from this group.
So in short: any roleblocker should choose from Rainbows/Raven/Krafla. Any Healer should choose from Me/Ray/Virtu. What makes you think any sane scum would hit virtu tonight if he is town? If they have 3 scum which seems possible, then all they need is one succesfull kill and they win. It doesn't matter who they kill so they'd go for the easiest shot.
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On March 29 2013 20:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
virtu do you think it's possible that both of the claims are true? Same question for you Ray.
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No, i think it's impossible.
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No I don't think it's possible both are true.
On March 27 2013 09:44 cDgCorazon wrote:Vote Count!
Everyone is required to vote.
Nobodywonder (3): TheRavensName, Rainbows, Krafla JarJarDrinksTheRavensName (2): Raynpelikoneet, NobodyWonder, KraflaKrafla (1): JarJarDrinks Virtu (0): JarJarDrinks, KraflaNot Voting (1): Virtu Currently, Nobodywonder is set to be lynched! 17 minutes until lynch (01:00 GMT (+00:00)). Let me know if my counting spell was off!
JarJar moved his vote to TRN here, meaning at some point during this day he's voted for every single other person that has had a vote, I can't bring myself to believe this is town play, voting for 4 different people when there aren't even 4 mafia?
Like i said earlier, if JarJar is town, not only will I eat my hat, he has my vote for second worst town play this game, second only to myself who hasn't even been around for 90% of it.
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On March 29 2013 22:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No, i think it's impossible.
K just making sure. Not that I'd think you'd make such an obvious scumslip but I figured I'd ask,
So if you're town then you know one of us is lying. I'd really like to hear what you think about both of our claims.
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Actually fuck it.
virtu claimed being roleblocked on N1. That means either scum has a roleblocker or virtu is mafia lying and mafia infact has a GF. Town does not have a roleblocker since i am green.
Rainbows claims a green check on Raven & virtu. This can't be true unless one of them is a GF. If one of them is a GF that would have to be virtu (because there is no way scum have 2 roles and town has 1). GF vs cop makes sense, but then there is the roleblock claim. So this is impossible.
One of the claims has to be true and the other one has to be false. Rainbows is mafia with virtu/Raven, i don't know which one of them, but that's for tomorrow. Rainbows is trying to convince one of the townies to vote with him for scum victory. There is no way his checks can be true since i am green unless the mafia are JarJar and virtu and virtu did lie about being roleblocked on N1. I don't think mafia has played this kinda powerplay.
##Vote: Rainbows
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On March 29 2013 22:18 virtu wrote:
No I don't think it's possible both are true.
Explain why it's impossible.
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Okay doctor vs roleblocker makes sense so virtu is probably telling the truth and Raven is Rainbow's scumbuddy.
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On March 29 2013 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay doctor vs roleblocker makes sense so virtu is probably telling the truth and Raven is Rainbow's scumbuddy.
Why does doctor vs roleblocker make sense? why doesn't cop + rb?
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On March 29 2013 22:35 virtu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay doctor vs roleblocker makes sense so virtu is probably telling the truth and Raven is Rainbow's scumbuddy. Why does doctor vs roleblocker make sense? why doesn't cop + rb?
For that to happen Rainbows/you/Raven had to be all town. I know i am town so that's impossible.
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Why can't you explain why it's impossible that both of the claims are true?
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I've already explained it - Because I don't think both of them are town.
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Well Jarjar, your so certain Ray is town but... have you ever considered maybe both claims ARE true? What if Virtu rolled GF and Ray rolled Mafia Roll blocker? What are your thoughts on Ray being a lier? He lurked pretty hard after the cop claim till you started to doubt it.
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On March 29 2013 23:14 virtu wrote:
I've already explained it - Because I don't think both of them are town.
Really, that's all the effort you are willing to put into this?
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On March 29 2013 23:17 TheRavensName wrote:
Well Jarjar, your so certain Ray is town but... have you ever considered maybe both claims ARE true? What if Virtu rolled GF and Ray rolled Mafia Roll blocker? What are your thoughts on Ray being a lier? He lurked pretty hard after the cop claim till you started to doubt it.
That's pretty damn bad assumption right there. There is no way mafia has both GF and roleblocker. And if that was true why the fuck would we not use our roleblock and have the GF instead claim being roleblocked? That's like the stupidest thing to do when you can actually prevent roles from acting instead.
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On March 29 2013 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 23:14 virtu wrote:
I've already explained it - Because I don't think both of them are town. Really, that's all the effort you are willing to put into this?
What do you want me to do? Quote my own post? I've explained why I don't think JarJar is Town, and why I think his claim is fake. I'm reading through filters now to see the overall play of yourself, TRN, Rainbows. If i find something that convinces me I could be wrong and JarJar is really just a horrible town, I'll gladly consider rethinking my position.
I don't think rainbows would go to all the trouble of tunneling me so hard for being afk just to try and get a mislynch, then fake a cop check town on me and start acting nice, when I know for a fact that I'm town. He also started hard defending TRN after his claimed check on him too. I don't think a mafia would hard defend another one so hard, so early in the game, makes far more sense for him to be wishy washy then bus him for town cred.
If he has done all of the above, then all I can say is well played, because town hasn't been in control of this game anywhere near enough for me to be able to disprove it, especially at MyLo, and especially when I think JarJar is scum.
You attempting to question me (by the way, all you've done all game is ask people questions, which at first glance looks quite useful, but a lot of what I'm reading looks like attempts to divert the conversation, distract etc), doesn't suddenly make Rainbows claim look fake and JarJar's real.
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On March 29 2013 23:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 23:17 TheRavensName wrote:
Well Jarjar, your so certain Ray is town but... have you ever considered maybe both claims ARE true? What if Virtu rolled GF and Ray rolled Mafia Roll blocker? What are your thoughts on Ray being a lier? He lurked pretty hard after the cop claim till you started to doubt it. That's pretty damn bad assumption right there. There is no way mafia has both GF and roleblocker. And if that was true why the fuck would we not use our roleblock and have the GF instead claim being roleblocked? That's like the stupidest thing to do when you can actually prevent roles from acting instead.
Heh, fair point. However, I don't think there is a godfather, or if there is it an't virtu. There is no reason for Virtu to fake being role blocked when hes gotten away with lurking and hasn't bread crumbed a power role for us or fake claimed it. I still find the cop case way better then the medic case. Krafia was the OBVIOUS hit last night, and considering Virtu afked the entire game hes easy to bandwagon onto as only coming back for red posts, he'd have been a much less useful save compared to Krafia, who had been active and there was some certainty that he would be here today, where as virtu thats a gamble that just happened to pay off.
Also Jarjar, I don't like how you tried to pressure Krafia into revealing who he was going to go after during the night phase, points too much to trying to frame me by getting him to admit it, or getting too scared to risk him ending up voting for you. These reasons are why my vote is staying on you.
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EBWOP: For the record, I don't think TRN has been particularly townie looking either, but I feel I have no choice but to trust Rainbows claim over JarJar's. Either i'm right and ray/JarJar are scum, or i'm wrong and Rainbows/TRN are scum. It's as simple as that.
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On March 29 2013 23:33 virtu wrote:
EBWOP: For the record, I don't think TRN has been particularly townie looking either, but I feel I have no choice but to trust Rainbows claim over JarJar's. Either i'm right and ray/JarJar are scum, or i'm wrong and Rainbows/TRN are scum. It's as simple as that.
You hurt my feelings Virtu.
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You attempting to question me (by the way, all you've done all game is ask people questions, which at first glance looks quite useful, but a lot of what I'm reading looks like attempts to divert the conversation, distract etc), doesn't suddenly make Rainbows claim look fake and JarJar's real.
It's distracting only if you don't make conclusions from your questions. I think i have been clear to offer my thoughts after people have answered me - i mean, i ask question, they answer, i make conclusions from the answers and point them out in thread.
My reason behind the question is this. If you are town you can easily come up with any possible scum combos assuming Rainbows/JarJar are both telling the truth and have a reasonable answer (if you think it's possible or not). If you are mafia it's much harder because you do not want to out your scumbuddy and you want to lynch a townie this phase and other players might see the flaws in your logic. That's what i was after.
Now it's irrelevant becauase you dodged the question already and threw the ball back at me by discrediting my playstyle.
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On March 29 2013 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +You attempting to question me (by the way, all you've done all game is ask people questions, which at first glance looks quite useful, but a lot of what I'm reading looks like attempts to divert the conversation, distract etc), doesn't suddenly make Rainbows claim look fake and JarJar's real. It's distracting only if you don't make conclusions from your questions. I think i have been clear to offer my thoughts after people have answered me - i mean, i ask question, they answer, i make conclusions from the answers and point them out in thread. My reason behind the question is this. If you are town you can easily come up with any possible scum combos assuming Rainbows/JarJar are both telling the truth and have a reasonable answer (if you think it's possible or not). If you are mafia it's much harder because you do not want to out your scumbuddy and you want to lynch a townie this phase and other players might see the flaws in your logic. That's what i was after. Now it's irrelevant becauase you dodged the question already and threw the ball back at me by discrediting my playstyle.
Because your play style has worked out so well so far... Lets Tunnel Raven and let some myslynches happen while I push another myslynch cause I don't think you should scum hunt more then one person at a time!
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On March 29 2013 22:18 virtu wrote:
JarJar moved his vote to TRN here, meaning at some point during this day he's voted for every single other person that has had a vote, I can't bring myself to believe this is town play, voting for 4 different people when there aren't even 4 mafia? You're looking @ things through a vacuum. Read the entire day and see how things went down and you'll see how my votes made sense:
I voted for NW after making what I thought was a decent case. The case kinda fell apart as the day went on cause it relied on 2 things:
- that Fishgle was a likely lynch candidate for the day which Ray pointed out to me that the Fishgle suspicion mostly occured after the action deadline
- that Ray and Rainbows were both town. As the day went on, Rainbows started looking scummier and scummier.
So I moved off of NW and on to you. Surely you can't blame me there right? You hadn't voted/posted/done anything. And I wanted to get you to respond.
So then w/ like an hour left in the day Krafla makes one of the scummier posts I've seen. After having his vote on raven for a while, he decides to listen to a raging Rainbows (who I'm already reading as scum @ this point) and change his vote to NW stating that if he flips town, he'll know who the scum team is.
So then I switched to Raven @ the end of the day because thats where two votes were and I was pretty sure NW was town @ that point. I knew it was unlikely to do anything since it only tied it, but maybe someone would switch or maybe you'd show up last minute. Like I said, it was unlikely to help, but there was literally no reason not to switch @ that point.
So maybe me switching my vote around around a bunch wasn't that great in hindsight. But it all made sense @ the time.
And no matter what happened. Nothing makes Rainbows cop claim look legit whatsoever. Like I get that this is a noob game, but a cop investigating to confirm his town read is the dumbest thing imaginable.
Virtu, say I'm a bad townie all you want. But you're saying that you believe a cop would actually investigate to confirm town. How can you even consider that to be true?
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On March 29 2013 23:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 22:18 virtu wrote:
JarJar moved his vote to TRN here, meaning at some point during this day he's voted for every single other person that has had a vote, I can't bring myself to believe this is town play, voting for 4 different people when there aren't even 4 mafia? You're looking @ things through a vacuum. Read the entire day and see how things went down and you'll see how my votes made sense: I voted for NW after making what I thought was a decent case. The case kinda fell apart as the day went on cause it relied on 2 things: - that Fishgle was a likely lynch candidate for the day which Ray pointed out to me that the Fishgle suspicion mostly occured after the action deadline - that Ray and Rainbows were both town. As the day went on, Rainbows started looking scummier and scummier. So I moved off of NW and on to you. Surely you can't blame me there right? You hadn't voted/posted/done anything. And I wanted to get you to respond. So then w/ like an hour left in the day Krafla makes one of the scummier posts I've seen. After having his vote on raven for a while, he decides to listen to a raging Rainbows (who I'm already reading as scum @ this point) and change his vote to NW stating that if he flips town, he'll know who the scum team is. So then I switched to Raven @ the end of the day because thats where two votes were and I was pretty sure NW was town @ that point. I knew it was unlikely to do anything since it only tied it, but maybe someone would switch or maybe you'd show up last minute. Like I said, it was unlikely to help, but there was literally no reason not to switch @ that point. So maybe me switching my vote around around a bunch wasn't that great in hindsight. But it all made sense @ the time. And no matter what happened. Nothing makes Rainbows cop claim look legit whatsoever. Like I get that this is a noob game, but a cop investigating to confirm his town read is the dumbest thing imaginable. Virtu, say I'm a bad townie all you want. But you're saying that you believe a cop would actually investigate to confirm town. How can you even consider that to be true?
I don't understand why you talk like the way you do... your acting like you've been playing mafia for the longest time ever, this account is brand new. Cops always check the people alot of people say are scummy and they think are town, you don't want to get caught defending a guy who is a scum and you could have found out but chose not to. If nothing else, you need to do it so you can role claim to prevent a myslynch if its possible and pray that a medic of jailer will save you.
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Vote Count!
JarJarDrinks (3): Virtu, TheRavensName, Rainbows, Rainbows, TheRavensName
Rainbows (2): TheRavensName, Virtu, JarJarDrinks, Raynpelikoneet
Raynpelikoneet (0): Rainbows
Currently, JarJarDrinks is set to be lynched! 10 hours until the deadline. Let me know if my counting spell was off.
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On March 29 2013 23:50 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:You attempting to question me (by the way, all you've done all game is ask people questions, which at first glance looks quite useful, but a lot of what I'm reading looks like attempts to divert the conversation, distract etc), doesn't suddenly make Rainbows claim look fake and JarJar's real. It's distracting only if you don't make conclusions from your questions. I think i have been clear to offer my thoughts after people have answered me - i mean, i ask question, they answer, i make conclusions from the answers and point them out in thread. My reason behind the question is this. If you are town you can easily come up with any possible scum combos assuming Rainbows/JarJar are both telling the truth and have a reasonable answer (if you think it's possible or not). If you are mafia it's much harder because you do not want to out your scumbuddy and you want to lynch a townie this phase and other players might see the flaws in your logic. That's what i was after. Now it's irrelevant becauase you dodged the question already and threw the ball back at me by discrediting my playstyle. Because your play style has worked out so well so far... Lets Tunnel Raven and let some myslynches happen while I push another myslynch cause I don't think you should scum hunt more then one person at a time!
I can't lynch more than one scum in a day and you have been obv-scum from the beginning. There is no reason for me to vote for anyone else. And saying i have not been fighting against the other lynches is just bullshit. I have been very clearly trying to lynch you from D1 because you are scum, and besides that i have trying to figure out who is another person who is mafia. I found that out today.
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On March 29 2013 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 23:50 TheRavensName wrote:On March 29 2013 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:You attempting to question me (by the way, all you've done all game is ask people questions, which at first glance looks quite useful, but a lot of what I'm reading looks like attempts to divert the conversation, distract etc), doesn't suddenly make Rainbows claim look fake and JarJar's real. It's distracting only if you don't make conclusions from your questions. I think i have been clear to offer my thoughts after people have answered me - i mean, i ask question, they answer, i make conclusions from the answers and point them out in thread. My reason behind the question is this. If you are town you can easily come up with any possible scum combos assuming Rainbows/JarJar are both telling the truth and have a reasonable answer (if you think it's possible or not). If you are mafia it's much harder because you do not want to out your scumbuddy and you want to lynch a townie this phase and other players might see the flaws in your logic. That's what i was after. Now it's irrelevant becauase you dodged the question already and threw the ball back at me by discrediting my playstyle. Because your play style has worked out so well so far... Lets Tunnel Raven and let some myslynches happen while I push another myslynch cause I don't think you should scum hunt more then one person at a time! I can't lynch more than one scum in a day and you have been obv-scum from the beginning. There is no reason for me to vote for anyone else. And saying i have not been fighting against the other lynches is just bullshit. I have been very clearly trying to lynch you from D1 because you are scum, and besides that i have trying to figure out who is another person who is mafia. I found that out today.
You have not. You've had tunnel vision this whole game. Go back and look at most your questions. Most of them involve asking people what they think of ME. You have made no effort to find anyone else who even MIGHT be scum. All you do is focus on me and pray to god that it works. Ray, you can't just focus on one person even if you can only lynch one. You have to change around, because focusing on one person, whether they are scum or not, makes you miss opportunities to confirm or deny other people on reasons other then their opinion of me, because when you turn up a myslynch of me... your hunting towards me was all useless, because all it tells you how many people bought your two day long case, and how many people thought it was stupid and were right. Its poor town play either way.
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You just called me town. :D
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On March 30 2013 00:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You just called me town. :D
No. I'm speaking to you as if you are town. My votes not on you anyways, its on Jarjar. If you are town, and you are right about rainbow's cop claim, I'm talking to you in a way I hope helps you next time you play mafia. Because, if rainbow's claim is a lie, which I have expressed some concerns about (which is way too risky this late in if I was on a mafia team with rainbows to risk blowing this up in our face when this is an all in gamble.), you need to know how you could have hunted better, maybe found out if rainbows was scum instead of just hoping I was.
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The game blew up on your face already. That's why Rainbows had to fakeclaim. There was no way anyone besides you/Rainbows was gonna get lynched on D3 without the claim and when you flip red it would confim the other one red.
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On March 29 2013 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +You attempting to question me (by the way, all you've done all game is ask people questions, which at first glance looks quite useful, but a lot of what I'm reading looks like attempts to divert the conversation, distract etc), doesn't suddenly make Rainbows claim look fake and JarJar's real. It's distracting only if you don't make conclusions from your questions. I think i have been clear to offer my thoughts after people have answered me - i mean, i ask question, they answer, i make conclusions from the answers and point them out in thread. My reason behind the question is this. If you are town you can easily come up with any possible scum combos assuming Rainbows/JarJar are both telling the truth and have a reasonable answer (if you think it's possible or not). If you are mafia it's much harder because you do not want to out your scumbuddy and you want to lynch a townie this phase and other players might see the flaws in your logic. That's what i was after. Now it's irrelevant becauase you dodged the question already and threw the ball back at me by discrediting my playstyle.
Wrong. If you are town, you have people you think are mafia. If someone you think is mafia claims blue, and someone you think isn't mafia claims blue, it is entirely possible and reasonable, to say that you don't think it's possible both blue claims are true.
Also: at this point, with 5 players and the votes being 3/2, both mafia have to be voting with each other, unless at only FIVE players left, "Town's" two lynch candidates are both town - in which case we have already lost. I know I'm town, so from my perspective I'm either voting with 2 town, or 2 scum. You and JarJar are defending each other, Rainbows and TRN are defending each other, and out of everyone left I think JarJar is the scummiest, CLAIMS ASIDE.
Add in the fact I think his claim is fake, or if it's real then lol nice medic prot targets and play, then it's a no brainer for me. If i'm wrong, then i'm wrong and can accept that, considering I've been absent for some (most) of the game. But I just don't believe him.
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On March 29 2013 23:56 TheRavensName wrote:
I don't understand why you talk like the way you do... your acting like you've been playing mafia for the longest time ever, this account is brand new. It's my first game on TL. I've played a bit elsewhere but the roles were very different. But I am capable of reading and the cop role here is to catch bad guys. If a cop investigates someone and expects them to flip green then he's playing it wrong.
@Virtu like I said, you may think I played bad as a townie. But (assuming you're the townie) the game is going to be decided by you. And believing Rainbows cop claim is just so much worse than bad play you can accuse me of.
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On March 30 2013 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The game blew up on your face already. That's why Rainbows had to fakeclaim. There was no way anyone besides you/Rainbows was gonna get lynched on D3 without the claim and when you flip red it would confim the other one red.
I like how day 3 has turned into a shouting match as opposed to an evidence hunt Ray. Hell day 2 was that way too. See when your evidence on a case is just screaming the same thing over and over and over again, its time to move onto another case.
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On March 29 2013 23:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:Virtu, say I'm a bad townie all you want. But you're saying that you believe a cop would actually investigate to confirm town. How can you even consider that to be true?
I've read plenty of mafia games on this site, and more often than not cop checks are done to confirm town, especially in smaller games.
Infact they're often used to check null reads, and a lot of people were on TRN's back at the start of the game but he survived the day, so I can believe he was checked. Also i was completely null due to not being around.
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On March 30 2013 00:19 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 23:56 TheRavensName wrote:
I don't understand why you talk like the way you do... your acting like you've been playing mafia for the longest time ever, this account is brand new. It's my first game on TL. I've played a bit elsewhere but the roles were very different. But I am capable of reading and the cop role here is to catch bad guys. If a cop investigates someone and expects them to flip green then he's playing it wrong. @Virtu like I said, you may think I played bad as a townie. But (assuming you're the townie) the game is going to be decided by you. And believing Rainbows cop claim is just so much worse than bad play you can accuse me of.
No a cop's job is that of a cops in the real world. To prove GUILT or INNOCENCE. You should be able to do both for the reasons I stated, if your only going after the guilty then your stupid. You have to prove innocence just as much as guilt. This tells me you don't know how to play a cop, and makes me very glad you didn't roll it.
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@Virtu How do explain what I said here:
On March 29 2013 08:21 JarJarDrinks wrote:What about if Raven is the GF? How come that's not a possibility? Virtu, the reason he said that you might be the GF is he left himself an out just in case you counterclaimed Ron. There's absolutely no reason for that sentence not to be: "There is only one flaw in my logic... if virtu or Raven is the GF..."
Why would he suggest that you could be GF and not Raven? The only answer that makes sense is that he listed you, me and Ray as the possible scums because if one of us counterclaimed him, he could just say "Well that person must be scum".
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I mean, how is that not a slam dunk? What other reason could he have for suggesting that you could be the godfather but not suggesting that Raven could?
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On March 30 2013 00:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, how is that not a slam dunk? What other reason could he have for suggesting that you could be the godfather but not suggesting that Raven could?
Because Virtu being GF makes more sense, he has lurked the entire game and claimed rb the entire night, which makes it unlikely there is a RBer and a GF, so him faking makes more sense. Also, I think I've demonstrated quite clearly the play of a townie trying to keep you guys from myslynching me.
On a side note I want to ask you a question jarjar: Lets say your the cop. Would you only check me and rainbows? You would just... blindly assume that Ray is a townie because hes been trying to get me killed and protected you? When you have the power to check him, and make sure hes not setting you up to take the fall with him if he gets lynched?
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On March 30 2013 00:19 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 23:56 TheRavensName wrote:
I don't understand why you talk like the way you do... your acting like you've been playing mafia for the longest time ever, this account is brand new. It's my first game on TL. I've played a bit elsewhere but the roles were very different. But I am capable of reading and the cop role here is to catch bad guys. If a cop investigates someone and expects them to flip green then he's playing it wrong. @Virtu like I said, you may think I played bad as a townie. But (assuming you're the townie) the game is going to be decided by you. And believing Rainbows cop claim is just so much worse than bad play you can accuse me of.
Believing your claim would be easier if anything you've done this game made sense, if Rainbows is mafia and you're blue then my believing him only stems from the way you claimed, your terrible prot targets, and your wishywashy voting D2. there's NO excuse for voting for 4 different people in a game with a MAXIMUM of 3 mafia and likely two.
On March 13 2013 05:47 JarJarDrinks wrote:
K, from what I can tell, a smurf is an alt account. I can assure you, I just opened my first account a few minutes ago. I've only ever lurked.
You don't know what a smurf account is, you've only opened your account a few minutes before this game, but you're certain I'm a worse player than you for believing Rainbows claim over yours. K.
On March 22 2013 12:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Hey all, Don't worry I wont lurk @ all once the game starts rolling. Being how I've never played against any of y'all I have nothing to base any read off so I probably wont throw down a vote untill everyone's posted a bit.
"Hey guys, I won't lurk once people do the work for me and i can sheep onto a lynch" ...continued below
On March 22 2013 23:41 JarJarDrinks wrote:me too ##Vote: TheRavensName
..."like this".
Me too, great reasoning and case there. By the way - the ACTUAL reason you voted for him was becuase he thought you were scummy and voted for you, basically an OMGUS vote.
On March 23 2013 09:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:
So while I'm still suspicious of Raven. I don't think he looks as scummy as Frorgon does.
##Unvote: TheRavensName
##Vote: Frorgon
You're still suspicious of him, you make sure to tell us that, at the same time you take your vote off him.
On March 25 2013 02:48 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2013 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The worst part is we should have definitely lynched Krafla. There is no question about it. Now everyone just gave him a free pass from D1. That's so incredibly dumb. Ray, I think I've been on the same page as you most of this game. But I have to disagree with you on this one. I was online @ the deadline and could have switched to Krafla. But giving him a free pass from day 1 wasn't a concern of mine. I voted Frorgon because I thought he was the most likely to be scum. And while Kraflas one post was pretty terrible, it wasn't enough to give me a scum read. @ least nowhere near the read I had Frogorn. When you voted for Krafla, was it because you thought he was the most likely person to be scum?
This feels forced to me, the way you say the bolded part just looks like a carefully constructed bit of scum posting about another scum.
On March 25 2013 03:50 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2013 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If Krafla does not contribute on D2, are you willing to lynch him in the end of D2? If yes, then why didn't you want to lynch him in the end of D1? As I said already, I didn't vote for him because I thought Frogorn was more likely to be scum. I can't tell you exactly what I'm willing to do @ the end of day 2. If Krafla doesn't contribute again than he's certainly someone I'm gonna suspect. But if I have a better scum read on someone, than that's where my vote is going.
On March 26 2013 23:37 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 23:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2013 22:43 JarJarDrinks wrote:On March 26 2013 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JarJar: There is actually something you are not taking into account. I just read my own and Rainbows filter. Neither of us really do call Fishgle out before N1 end (when it's impossible to change night actions). Nobody else wasn't really calling Fishgle out. There actually is a possibility that two of those guys you mentioned are mafia, because Fishgle didn't really have any opinions other than me & Rainbows. I don't still close the possibility of NW being mafia, but your case to be honest isn't a really good reasoning because it's based more on night hit WIFOM than actual analysis on why NW particularly is mafia. I'll reread but I definately felt like people were banging on the fishgle is bad drum even before the night phase. That's what i felt like too, but nobody really said so, so people who are not reading observantly may have missed it. Yeah, I guess it seems like he wasn't as likely to be lynched as I remember. So that does put a hole in some of my reasoning. Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 23:30 Krafla wrote:
So we're still waiting on a vote from virtu? Actually we're waiting on anything from virtu. He was supposed to post in 5 hours like a day ago. I don't think we can let him continue to ignore this thread. If he's town, he done nothing to even appear as if he's trying to help. So based on those 2 things, I'm gonna: ##Unvote
##Vote: virtu
So from these two quotes, firstly you say that if krafla doesn't stop lurking soonish you're going to be suspicious of him. You then post a chummy agree with ray post for like the 5th time in the game, being as friendly with him as Rainbows is with TRN, finally when Krafla DOES eventually post, all he does is conveniently highlight the fact that I haven't posted for almost the whole day, which convinces you to switch your vote to me. I guess your heart just wasn't in your last vote then was it?
On March 27 2013 09:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 09:10 Krafla wrote:
If nobodywonder flips town, I think we know who the mafia is.
##Unvote
Vote: nobodywonder ##unvote
##vote: Krafla Pretty sure Krafla just outed himself here.
Another vote switch, for a stupid reason. Townies would never say if X flips green then Y? Well, actually, they do it all the time. The frequency with which people flip green that another town member is "100% Certain no way in hell he's flipping green" happens, you have to prepare for this inevitability.
Also this puts your vote onto the third person of the evening, with 3 on NW and 2 on TRN, but your vote is still on the fence. You're going to do some more investiagative work surely...
On March 27 2013 09:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
##unvote
##vote: TheRavensName
But that still means NW gets lynched correct?
Oh wait, no you're not. Rather than vote for one of the THREE people who have already been your mafia suspects for the day, you switch your vote to someone you have hardly mentioned all day. Not only that but you make sure to ask whether your vote will get him lynched or not due to the tie breaker. Is your heart not in that out-of-the-blue vote with no case or reasoning on person #4 for the day or what? Don't want to be responsible for it if he gets lynched and draw attention to yourself?
I could go on but I mean, after your D1 and D2 how you can expect me to believe your blue claim over Rainbows, is just beyond my ability to reason. If you're town, I do NOT feel bad about voting for you today and losing town the game.
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Alright so... me and Virtu are pretty dead set on either getting our scum or losing the game, rainbows wouldn't change because that would be stupid on his part, and Ray and Jarjar are therefor outgunned. Can you two just conceed?
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your terrible prot targets Who do you think I should have targetted N1 and N2?
You don't know what a smurf account is, you've only opened your account a few minutes before this game, but you're certain I'm a worse player than you for believing Rainbows claim over yours. Yep. I don't you'd need more than a basic understanding of how the game works to see that Rainbows claim was BS.
"Hey guys, I won't lurk once people do the work for me and i can sheep onto a lynch" ...continued below I'm sorry. Tell me again how not voting or posting for a week is the right way to play the game.
Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 23:41 JarJarDrinks wrote:I think TheRavensName is mafia. me too ##Vote: TheRavensName ..."like this". Me too, great reasoning and case there. By the way - the ACTUAL reason you voted for him was becuase he thought you were scummy and voted for you, basically an OMGUS vote.
Like geez, it really sucks when people play the game and don't contribute for days on end, but you'd hope they actually read the thread. Like this is an outright lie. Raven never voted for me prior to my vote for him. In fact my vote for him was because he defended me. Please go back and reread the thread because its frustrating talking to someone that has no clue what actually happened in the game.
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On March 30 2013 02:18 JarJarDrinks wrote:Who do you think I should have targetted N1 and N2? Ray and then Krafia. Virtu was not in any danger because if nothing else there would be hope he was modkilled. Show nested quote +You don't know what a smurf account is, you've only opened your account a few minutes before this game, but you're certain I'm a worse player than you for believing Rainbows claim over yours. Yep. I don't you'd need more than a basic understanding of how the game works to see that Rainbows claim was BS. Show nested quote +"Hey guys, I won't lurk once people do the work for me and i can sheep onto a lynch" ...continued below I'm sorry. Tell me again how not voting or posting for a week is the right way to play the game. Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 23:41 JarJarDrinks wrote:I think TheRavensName is mafia. me too ##Vote: TheRavensName ..."like this". Me too, great reasoning and case there. By the way - the ACTUAL reason you voted for him was becuase he thought you were scummy and voted for you, basically an OMGUS vote. Ok, I guess I can't respond to you when you're just making stuff up that never happened. Like geez, it really sucks when people play the game and don't contribute for days on end, but you'd hope they actually read the thread. Like this is an outright lie. Raven never voted for me prior to my vote for him. In fact my vote for him was because he defended me. Please go back and reread the thread because its frustrating talking to someone that has no clue what actually happened in the game.
So why isn't Ray suspicious when he was defending you?
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On March 30 2013 02:27 TheRavensName wrote:
So why isn't Ray suspicious when he was defending you? Wait, are you saying that you agree w/ Virtu about my vote for you being an OMGUS vote or are you trying to bring the focus off of the fact that that's untrue?
But to humor you, point me to whatever post of Ray defending me you're referring to.
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Vote Count!
Rainbows (3):Virtu, JarJarDrinks, Raynpelikoneet, TheRavensName, Virtu
JarJarDrinks (2): TheRavensName, Rainbows,Virtu Rainbows, TheRavensName
Raynpelikoneet (0): Rainbows
Currently, Rainbows is set to be lynched! 5.5 hours until the deadline. Let me know if my counting spell was off.
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On March 30 2013 03:48 virtu wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Rainbows
Don't toy with them, thats just mean.
Srsly we need all townies on scum or gg.
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Special Notice!
Day 3 will be ending 10 minutes early because I have to leave right after! The deadline is at 00:50 GMT (+00:00). Sorry for any inconvenience.
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Omg i read that as ending in 10 minutes LOL
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On March 30 2013 07:57 Rainbows wrote:
Omg i read that as ending in 10 minutes LOL
Ekekeke
##Unvote
##Vote: JarJar
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\sigh
I figured you changed your vote cause you decided to RTFT. No such luck I guess?
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30 minutes until deadline. JarJarDrinks is currently set to be lynched.
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On March 30 2013 09:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:
\sigh
I figured you changed your vote cause you decided to RTFT. No such luck I guess?
+ Show Spoiler +On March 30 2013 02:18 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Ok, I guess I can't respond to you when you're just making stuff up that never happened.
Like geez, it really sucks when people play the game and don't contribute for days on end, but you'd hope they actually read the thread. Like this is an outright lie. Raven never voted for me prior to my vote for him. In fact my vote for him was because he defended me. Please go back and reread the thread because its frustrating talking to someone that has no clue what actually happened in the game. My bad, he didn't vote for you, he did call you out, and whilst yes he did highlight that he made the same mistake in the previous game that isn't really him defending you. Either way it's a shitty reason to vote for someone. Also, I like how that's all you responded to. Townie about to lose the game puts in more effort than that, but I guess that's more in line with your posts all game, as I pointed out.
That's I have to say to you, as I said before either i'm right or i'm wrong and it's a learning curve, but I think you're scum.
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EBWOP: That's all* I have to say to you
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T.T my parents just told me I'm going to dinner with them. I'll be back in about 45 minutes. Any votes cast after 00:50 GMT (+00:00) will not count.
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Is that game then?
GG i was cop. Town wins
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Wtf ray how did you win jar was lynchwd
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I was town, so if ray was scum and scum wins then TRN Is godfather and jarjar is town? Because you cop checked TRN green right?
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Rainbows claim was really stupid, there was no reason to do that rofl. I had to fucking think for an hour how to not buss him but it was impossible.
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Meh, I switched vote at the end because despite the D1 and D2 play, JarJar defended himself super town like at the end, but didnt stick with it due to not wanting to lose it for town In the last hour. Wasn't around enough to sort out the scum from the townies properly in the last day, had to look at the situation as if the two scum were voting together, and as you'd both latched yourself onto a townie that thought you were green too it was an already lost game anyway. Ah well lesson learnt, I wish you were more townie looking from your filter jarjar then I wouldn't have had such a hard time believing you, especially seeing as twice out of my like 6 posts from day 1/2 I say I think rainbows is scum, bleurgh. GG, apologies to town for the inactivity, wp scum.
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Thanks for spoiling it bros.
JarJarDrinks, as Emma Watson, was lynched!
Virtu, as a Dumbledore's Army Member, was endgamed.
TheRavensName, as a Dumbledore's Army Member was endgamed.
Raynpelikoneet, as Vincent Crabbe (Roleblocker), has won!
Rainbows, as Gregory Goyle, has won!
I'd like to thank my co-hosts, Oats (for writing OP and posting D1 post) and Ghost (for making the Host QT). I hope you all enjoyed the flavor, and I also hope that you all will sign up for Newbie Mini Mafia XL!
Google Doc
Obs QT
I don't have the scum QT cause Oats didn't give it to me.
You guys need to post more, letting the scum hide in the shadows and not post (which they did it's just that no one else did) is a really easy way to lose. However, props to the scum team because on Nobodywonder guessed them correctly in the Obs QT.
GG!
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Wow Rayn. That was impressive as hell. Well played.
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Just a reminder:
On March 21 2013 14:28 nobodywonder wrote:
^ Yes, it should just be an Emma Watson flavor, not a Harry Potter flavor...oh you already have a story, you ruined my dreams lol.
Btw, when someone roleclaims Emma Watson, mafia plz dont kill her. You have sinned and people will get you in RL. kekeke
NW is probably pissed right now. jk lol
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Haha. Well done. Rainbows MVP again. Threw me completely for a loop and got me on the wagon of justice. And although I started to suspect Rainbows as scum in the Obs QT, I wasn't able to connect him and Ray. So good job to Ray for constantly going under the radar.
Really bad play from town on Day 1, myself included. Although I don't think I deserved all the attention and ire that I got. Of course I could've saved myself by lynching Krafla if I was actually online before lynch time. But seriously, the fact that I was lynched with 2 votes is awful. Nevermind the fact that people didn't even show up for like 2 days straight.
Shit though, even if we did a better job on day 1 we still probably would have mislynched (I thought Raven was scum the whole game). Not sure if we would've overcome the scumteam on this one.
EDIT: Damn, is this scumQT bigger than the actual game thread? :D
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Well after reading the QT it looks like Ray was pulling a lot more strings than I thought. Hard to tell who is MVP now, good job to both of you. But 20 games on another site! No chance for us noobs! haha
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Dat fakeclaim.
GG scum, y'all are lucky I wasn't in tharrrrr
kk Sign up for Nomral LXI!! I wanna play with you guys againnnn
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On March 30 2013 11:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dat fakeclaim.
GG scum, y'all are lucky I wasn't in tharrrrr
kk Sign up for Nomral LXI!! I wanna play with you guys againnnn
Oh fuck that fakeclaim. It made my head hurt so fucking much! I literally took at least an hour to think how i have to respond to that without bussing Rainbows, came into a conclusion that it was impossible and was like... "NOOOOOOOOOO, WTF YOU JUST DID??"!?!?"
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On March 30 2013 11:06 Frorgon wrote:
Well after reading the QT it looks like Ray was pulling a lot more strings than I thought. Hard to tell who is MVP now, good job to both of you. But 20 games on another site! No chance for us noobs! haha
That forum is really really inactive. It's like 50% of people posting once or twice per phase and others more. Last game (13 ppl) we had there was as much posts for the whole game than this game had on N1.
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Called it. Got lynched murdered for it too, I guess. 
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Well you were the only one who was threat to us for realz. ^^
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Ray, I know you were all mad and stuff.
I fakeclaimed basically for teh lulz. I also knew Raven would believe me and vote with us.
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I'm not mad, you just gave me a headache with no reason to do so. :D
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You couldn't appreciate being sober if you never had any headaches :D
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I have enough headaches caused by being drunk already. I need no more.
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So yeah, basically the game was really inactive, etc etc. Be more active etc etc. I would have played totally different but nobody wanted to post much sooooo.... yeah.
I wonder how the game would have went if Raven got lynched instead of NW.
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On March 30 2013 11:56 Rainbows wrote:
So yeah, basically the game was really inactive, etc etc. Be more active etc etc. I would have played totally different but nobody wanted to post much sooooo.... yeah.
I wonder how the game would have went if Raven got lynched instead of NW.
The thing is what you can do based on players and how they think. If (as scum) other players allow you to do full 180's or 720's it doesn't matter. You just have to beat those players - not observers or people telling how "they could have figured out everything" after the game. It's always dependant of the playerbase, it doesn't even matter if you are town or scum. You need to push your agenda (convince people to do stuff you want them to do). That's what i think.
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Yea.. I was really really suspecting the Rainbows and Ray thing. It made most sense that if rainbows was mafia that Ray would be, I just decided rainbows ran a huge risk if he was really really willing to vote Ray and decided if he was willign to risk all that, plus with Jarjars BAD medic claim, He should get the win. (Especially Jarjar's bad medic claim, sense I'd have left the vote on Ray otherwise.)
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Any newbies for XL? :D
Edit: I don't give this phrase as an option, it is mandatory.
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Tbh the thing that would have given it away if I had bother to think on it... is that Ray didn't seem to care that we were voting jarjar at all.
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On March 30 2013 12:16 TheRavensName wrote:
Tbh the thing that would have given it away if I had bother to think on it... is that Ray didn't seem to care that we were voting jarjar at all.
Essentially I knew there had to be one blue. I knew it wasn't you. Thought it was virtu... was actually expecting him to counterclaim and it would have been even easier I think. Could have played normally for the win, but hey, why bother that's no fun :p
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On March 30 2013 12:18 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 12:16 TheRavensName wrote:
Tbh the thing that would have given it away if I had bother to think on it... is that Ray didn't seem to care that we were voting jarjar at all. Essentially I knew there had to be one blue. I knew it wasn't you. Thought it was virtu... was actually expecting him to counterclaim and it would have been even easier I think. Could have played normally for the win, but hey, why bother that's no fun :p
If jarjars medic claim wasn't so bad... like I said I'd have it on Ray. And then I'd have voted you next day.
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On March 30 2013 11:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 11:06 Frorgon wrote:
Well after reading the QT it looks like Ray was pulling a lot more strings than I thought. Hard to tell who is MVP now, good job to both of you. But 20 games on another site! No chance for us noobs! haha That forum is really really inactive. It's like 50% of people posting once or twice per phase and others more. Last game (13 ppl) we had there was as much posts for the whole game than this game had on N1.
So.... its like this game was until night 2?
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I also feel like the claim was good because JarJar never bothered to claim first thing day 3. I was like 'is there no blue???' because I was just waiting for the blue claim. So I just did it, and gave you guys 24 hours to think about it. I knew the inevitable counterclaim would look bad because i did it first and it was decent, fortunately it was a trainwreck of bad. I imagined virtu being cop and then going 'yeah guys, 2 nights RB'd idk what you want' haha
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On March 30 2013 12:25 Rainbows wrote:
I also feel like the claim was good because JarJar never bothered to claim first thing day 3. I was like 'is there no blue???' because I was just waiting for the blue claim. So I just did it, and gave you guys 24 hours to think about it. I knew the inevitable counterclaim would look bad because i did it first and it was decent, fortunately it was a trainwreck of bad. I imagined virtu being cop and then going 'yeah guys, 2 nights RB'd idk what you want' haha
I shoulda been thinking when you were talking about playing scum... but by that point I had already reached the point of literarly wanting this game over so we can start a new one. I dislike jarjar anyways.
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On March 30 2013 12:32 Rainbows wrote:
/hug Raven
I see you got a sig for me lol.
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So... what would you have done if I left my vote on Ray?
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haha that watcher thing was priceless :D
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So after the game was over, I was pmed this by our illustrious host.
This was what I wrote up for your lynch, and then you guys killed off NW =(
Night 3 (Who needs pictures)
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Dumbledore’s Army was having its’ weekly meeting inside the room of requirement on a chilly December morning. The students had gotten the day off before their pre-Christmas exams to relax and study. The atmosphere was one of fear, since no one had forgotten what had happened to their friends Fishgle and Frorgon. They were afraid that there was a Slytherin spying on them. That would be catastrophic as the Slytherins would know their plans and be one step ahead of them in the battle for Hogwarts. At the end of the meeting, Corazón led the group out of the Room of Requirement, but paused when he saw a shadow running away from the entrance. Corazón used the leg-lock curse to keep him from escaping, and ran over to the student who had fallen on the group. When he picked the student up, he recognized TheRavensName looking back at him. “Please don’t jinx me!” he pleaded.
“Why are you here?” Corazón asked, his wand at the ready.
“I’m here because I thought this is where you guys were meeting. I forgot where the Room of Requirement was, and I haven’t been to a meeting in weeks! Come on dude, I’m a Ravenclaw! I still wear my badge even though it means the risk of me being attacked! My name has ‘Raven’ in it!” TheRavensName pleaded.
“What’s 3+5?” Corazón asked quickly.
“8. It’s still 8.” TheRavensName responded quickly.
Corazón rolled his eyes. “Dammit, it has to be 8” he thought to himself. “Come on, this is how you will prove to me that you are a Ravenclaw” with that, he dragged TheRavensName to the portrait that guarded the Ravenclaw Common Room. He stopped in front of the door and unlocked TheRavensName’s legs, allowing him to stand on his feet. “If you can answer the question and get in, you are obviously Ravenclaw. If you can’t you are obviously Slytherin” Corazón said calmly. “Have a go.”
TheRavensName walked up to the portrait. The portrait looked at him and said, “You know the drill. Here is your question: “If someone acts like a bad guy because people think he is a bad guy when he is a good guy and acts like a good guy when he is a bad guy but people think he is a good guy, is he bad or good?”
“HOW IN THE WORLD AM I SUPPOSED TO ANSWER THAT!” TheRavensName shouted out with a bewildered look on his face. Corazón smirked, walked towards TheRavensName, and grabbed him.
“Well, that was easy.” Corazón said.
“No! No! That door is trolling me! There is no answer to that question! Seriously, you can’t buy these badges at Diagon Alley for 5 sickles! I can show you my birth certificate, I can write an owl to my parents! I’m a Ravenclaw, I sware!” TheRavensName shouted frantically, kicking and screaming as Corazón dragged him around the school.
Corazón went down towards the dungeon, where the potions class has a big pot to mass-produce potions. Corazon tied TheRavensName up, threw some random ingredients into the caldron and stirred it all up until it smelled like torture. He turned to TheRavensName and said “Dude, you have to be Slytherin. We’re running out of students at Hogwarts. They’re all shy and never want to say anything. How am I supposed to get anything out of them? You’re so obviously Slytherin it hurts. Anyways, third time’s the charm, right?” with that, Corazón threw TheRavensName in the cauldron to sift through whatever he had thrown in there.
The next time he passed by the portrait guarding Ravenclaw’s Common Room, the portrait said, “Are you the guy that dragged TheRavensName away from here after I asked him a question?”
“Yeah.” Corazón replied. “Why?”
“You should know that I was trolling him. There’s no actual answer to that question. It’s so silly and there’s no possible way to answer that.” The portrait said frankly.
Corazón just glared at the portrait. Things were getting dire, and he needed to put things back together if they were to defeat the Slytherins and end this war once and for all. The last thing he needed was trolling portraits.
TheRavensName, a Dumbledore’s Army Member, was trolled by his own house’s portrait and subsequently thrown into a giant cauldron!
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On March 29 2013 01:15 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't understand why Frorgon thinks Raven and JarJar are both scum given what Raven said. First of all, you can't base JarJar's alignment on what Raven says about him. It only gives us clues about Raven's alignment. It's not uncommon for mafia to soft/hard defend townies to make them look worse in case the mafia guy flips. Second of all, do not make connection cases pre-flip, that's just dumb.
So in my eyes Frorgon looks worse. This is something that stands out to me when I look at your filter ray that I would like explained. Why have you not called out Rainbow as scummy, and I mean REALLY called him out, for defending me so hard/ Your whole early case was based on me defending Jarjar... but Rainbows gets a free pass? Not only that, outside of addressing me, you have not made very many comments at rainbows at all. I thnk theres a good chance that if Rainbows flips red, your the other red. You guys are avoiding making cases against the same people, which is rather easy sense your focused on Frorgon, Krafia, and Me, while Rainbows went after virtu, Nobodywonder, ad Jarjar... who you have defended.
TRUST YOUR INSTINCTS PEOPLE!
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
good thing i was here to choac amirit
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On March 30 2013 13:10 Blazinghand wrote:
good thing i was here to choac amirit
You really should have advised against that. Cause that could have easily went poorly.
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
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GG y'all. Well played mafia.
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Anybody who followed the game closely is welcome to write thoughts about how the game went,
Ill be writing some after I reread the thread when I get back from China.
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
;acl f consolidation. 2 votes lynch d1 with 2 votes secondary wagon meant tno real anays. how can oyoue expect to catch scum like that? regarding claims so it goes sometimes they ar flubbed. really though good advice for newbies: 1sst half of day make good cases 2st half of days consoildate and argue and push reads
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On March 30 2013 16:10 Blazinghand wrote:
;acl f consolidation. 2 votes lynch d1 with 2 votes secondary wagon meant tno real anays. how can oyoue expect to catch scum like that? regarding claims so it goes sometimes they ar flubbed. really though good advice for newbies: 1sst half of day make good cases 2st half of days consoildate and argue and push reads
You asleep?
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On March 30 2013 16:12 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 16:10 Blazinghand wrote:
;acl f consolidation. 2 votes lynch d1 with 2 votes secondary wagon meant tno real anays. how can oyoue expect to catch scum like that? regarding claims so it goes sometimes they ar flubbed. really though good advice for newbies: 1sst half of day make good cases 2st half of days consoildate and argue and push reads You asleep?
I may have drunk texted that from my phone. Let me reexplain:
D1 was un-analyzable due to the lead guy getting lynched with like 2 votes. No serious wagons. You can't catch scum this way. A pro tip for minis is to spend the first half of the day discussing and the second half consolidating. This won't always work but at least when you mislynch you'll know who to blame.
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Pro tip for newbies: use your coaches. Only pm I got this whole game was from krafla about the breadcrumbs he picked up on. The rest of you were seriously remiss, I hope you all contact Hapa during xl if you roll town, coaching is an incredible asset which one only gets for a few games, don't waste the gift.
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On March 30 2013 18:56 Promethelax wrote:
Pro tip for newbies: use your coaches. Only pm I got this whole game was from krafla about the breadcrumbs he picked up on. The rest of you were seriously remiss, I hope you all contact Hapa during xl if you roll town, coaching is an incredible asset which one only gets for a few games, don't waste the gift.
Personal Experience:
When I was a newbie, well actually I still am but I cant play in newbie games .
My play improved markedly from the first newbie where I almost got mislynched, to the last newbie where I got nightkilled day 1. PMing your coach is probably the best thing you can do. They want you to PM them, they dont feel like its an obligation SO PLEASE DO.
<3 you Prome and Marv.
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Umm...Oats asked me to write something about the game. This is going to be short because I didn't really pay attention to the game (only like the first half because another game started for me).
1. Rainbows and Rayn both posted N1 that they thought Fishgle was scummy and then Fishgle proceeded to die. That has to ring alarm bells. Many people said it was a town tell that their top scumread got killed because Mafia was trying to frame them. However, they posted in the hour between the deadline for night actions and the end of the day. That should have been a null point at best and scummy at worst.
2. Post more and use your coaches! The more town posts, the more debate can be shared around, and the more scum have to post to not go into lurker territory. If the scum have to post a lot, the chances they make a mistake go way up. Also, coaches are pretty good at mafia, and their experience is undeniably helpful.
3. That claim by Rainbows was really dumb (no offense). The fact that he didn't get lynched for it shows how far ahead scum was.
Yeah. Sorry for lack of input, but I'm sure Oats can chime in whenever he is not busy.
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It would be kind if someone who was following the game (maybe BH?) could point out if i made some obvious mistakes. I didn't really feel the need to consult BH at any point as i felt i had the control of the game at all times (NOT COUNTING AFTER RAINBOWS CLAIM.. PFFFFFF... ^^).
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On March 31 2013 01:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It would be kind if someone who was following the game (maybe BH?) could point out if i made some obvious mistakes. I didn't really feel the need to consult BH at any point as i felt i had the control of the game at all times (NOT COUNTING AFTER RAINBOWS CLAIM.. PFFFFFF... ^^).
You shouldn't have called me out for defending Jarjar and then ignored rainbows for doing it. It made it incredibly suspicious.
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I'll do a write-up on this tonight. It wasn't a very long game, so I think I can do some more detailed commentary.
But the moral of the story is that when scum are more active than most of the townies, town is going to lose.
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On March 30 2013 11:46 Rainbows wrote:
Ray, I know you were all mad and stuff.
I fakeclaimed basically for teh lulz. I also knew Raven would believe me and vote with us.
just to be clear, don't do this. I do not aprove
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
On March 31 2013 04:49 Hapahauli wrote:
I'll do a write-up on this tonight. It wasn't a very long game, so I think I can do some more detailed commentary.
But the moral of the story is that when scum are more active than most of the townies, town is going to lose.
There's very little to say about this game. The two most active and influential players were mafia.
You can *easily* write up some fancy post-game thing about the mistakes that the mafia made, and it will probably all be true. But it's completely pointless. When mafia has that level of control over the town, mafia can actually afford to be lazy and careless (although of course they shouldn't).
Practically by day 2 the game was totally won for mafia because no-one could/would oppose the monopoly they had over the thread. That's the only analysis there is. TheRavensName could *almost* have toppled this powerplay, but he didn't have the confidence, and also he had suspicion on him which meant that the rest of the townies were hesitant to believe him, when they could instead listen to the two mafia in control of the thread...
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On March 31 2013 07:54 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2013 04:49 Hapahauli wrote:
I'll do a write-up on this tonight. It wasn't a very long game, so I think I can do some more detailed commentary.
But the moral of the story is that when scum are more active than most of the townies, town is going to lose. There's very little to say about this game. The two most active and influential players were mafia. You can *easily* write up some fancy post-game thing about the mistakes that the mafia made, and it will probably all be true. But it's completely pointless. When mafia has that level of control over the town, mafia can actually afford to be lazy and careless (although of course they shouldn't). Practically by day 2 the game was totally won for mafia because no-one could/would oppose the monopoly they had over the thread. That's the only analysis there is. TheRavensName could *almost* have toppled this powerplay, but he didn't have the confidence, and also he had suspicion on him which meant that the rest of the townies were hesitant to believe him, when they could instead listen to the two mafia in control of the thread...
So does that mean Rainbows and Ray get gold stars, and I get a broken half rusty bronze one?
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It means we all go on our merry way and put this behind us.
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On March 31 2013 08:15 Rainbows wrote:
It means we all go on our merry way and put this behind us.
I would but, another game hasn't started so I'm bored lol.
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