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On March 26 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:@ Rainbows:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 04:07 Rainbows wrote:
TRN seems like an iffy lynch for today. I think there is scum between virtu and NW if not both. I think the cases on raven are biased... Saying he is scum because he lynched frogon is stupid, and especially coming from NW considering he could have prevented the lynch.
Guy lets frogon get lynched.
Guy blames other guy for lynching frorgon.
Seems, you know, legit. What's biased about my case on Raven? @ nobodywonder:What do you think about the case on virtu? What do you think about JarJar's analysis on the night hit and his vote on you? Where do you think he is wrong and why?
The fact that youve been after him most of the game. Its kind of stupid tbh. I think raven is the townier than a bunch of ppl here but i think your confirmation biased is clouding your judgments.
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On March 26 2013 06:47 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:@ Rainbows:On March 26 2013 04:07 Rainbows wrote:
TRN seems like an iffy lynch for today. I think there is scum between virtu and NW if not both. I think the cases on raven are biased... Saying he is scum because he lynched frogon is stupid, and especially coming from NW considering he could have prevented the lynch.
Guy lets frogon get lynched.
Guy blames other guy for lynching frorgon.
Seems, you know, legit. What's biased about my case on Raven? @ nobodywonder:What do you think about the case on virtu? What do you think about JarJar's analysis on the night hit and his vote on you? Where do you think he is wrong and why? The fact that youve been after him most of the game. Its kind of stupid tbh. I think raven is the townier than a bunch of ppl here but i think your confirmation biased is clouding your judgments.
Of course i have been after him, because he is lying about stuff and i have proven it! Why is everyone ignoring that? He's also trying to stall the discussion, in the beginning of the game, and on N1. He is mafia and i don't understand why everyone just ignores that.
Look at his defence. He doesn't even defend himself against my accusation, because he can't do it. Because i'm right! He's just whining about me and JarJar going after him from the beginning. Wtf? Ofc i will go after obv-scum like this from the beginning. I don't even know what the instant majority whine is about because i don't understand a single bit of that part.
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And why the hell would i make multiple cases per day? I focus on one mafia at the time because i can't possibly lynch more than one of them per day. I have been also looking onto other people, there is just no point in saying everything you think in thread. That way mafia can't manipulate you to make decisions they want you to make. I have other people in mind who could be scum, but what's the point of screaming about them when we can only lynch one player/day?
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@ virtu:
On March 23 2013 04:40 virtu wrote:
Out playing snooker, back in few hours, will post a bit before bed.
On March 25 2013 20:51 virtu wrote:
I work in IT, got called in and I lost the entire of yesterday to a network crash which involved replacing main switches, had to make a temporary network out of old switches until the new ones arrived etc. I'm terribly tired today but I obviously have a lot of catching up and making up to do, especially since I also learned that whilst I've lurked and read a lot of Mafia on TL, I'm not terribly good at it myself.
Will be reading for a while, I'm also at work for the next 5 hours but I'll try and get some thoughts down, then when I get home I should have time to formulate some thoughts into posts before I fall into an abyss of sleep.
Also - I was roleblocked last night.
At least my patience is soon gone. You have given now two promises to post your thoughts. I can understand if something urgent comes up and i i'm willing to buy your first explanation, but it's been 10 hours since you said you would be posting in 5 hours...
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On March 26 2013 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 06:47 Rainbows wrote:On March 26 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:@ Rainbows:On March 26 2013 04:07 Rainbows wrote:
TRN seems like an iffy lynch for today. I think there is scum between virtu and NW if not both. I think the cases on raven are biased... Saying he is scum because he lynched frogon is stupid, and especially coming from NW considering he could have prevented the lynch.
Guy lets frogon get lynched.
Guy blames other guy for lynching frorgon.
Seems, you know, legit. What's biased about my case on Raven? @ nobodywonder:What do you think about the case on virtu? What do you think about JarJar's analysis on the night hit and his vote on you? Where do you think he is wrong and why? The fact that youve been after him most of the game. Its kind of stupid tbh. I think raven is the townier than a bunch of ppl here but i think your confirmation biased is clouding your judgments. Of course i have been after him, because he is lying about stuff and i have proven it! Why is everyone ignoring that? He's also trying to stall the discussion, in the beginning of the game, and on N1. He is mafia and i don't understand why everyone just ignores that. Look at his defence. He doesn't even defend himself against my accusation, because he can't do it. Because i'm right! He's just whining about me and JarJar going after him from the beginning. Wtf? Ofc i will go after obv-scum like this from the beginning. I don't even know what the instant majority whine is about because i don't understand a single bit of that part.
How can I defend myself when everytime I do its jsut called lies and ignored? Your trying so hard to tunnel me, I would almost assume you were an executioner if this game had it in the set up.
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So on D1 i was by your own words "changing targets every five seconds" and now i am tunneling you?
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wow this thread is so dead... where's virtu, krafla and the rest of the guys.
how the heck can we get things done with not much to go on.
On March 25 2013 23:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I'm gonna go ahead and say that I'm leaning town for raynpelikoneet and Rainbows. If either (or both) of them are playing a real deep game and I'm just not seeing it then so be it. People that try to drive alot of discussion, read town to me.
So while it's possible that Fishgle was chosen to make ray/rain look bad, my guess is the mafia just wanted a sure kill since he was pretty unlikely to be healed, plus he might also be likely to be targetted by a cop which would be a bonus. Maybe they were hoping for some collatoral damage on ray/rain but I doubt that's what drove the decision.
However, I'm not so sure that they'd go ahead and kill someone that was probably gonna make a juicy lynch target for the next day unless they were figuring there were already some townies likely to be lynch targets the next day. Raven and Virtu were both pretty big suspects throughout the day yesterday and Krafla made himself look pretty bad @ the end of the day. So I'd find it hard to believe that there's more than 1 scum out of those 3.
So that leaves nobodywonder who's pretty much disappeared. I haven't been crazy about any his posts so far. Rainbows points some of it out above. Plus he accused me of sheepvoting for Raven yesterday which I clearly wasn't doing.
##Vote: NobodyWonder
what is up with this vote? this vote actually doesn't say why you're really voting for me. your whole case against is based on town confirmations, and I don't that is qualified when you haven't had great reads and the use of town confirmations can lead to holes or other issues.
anyways, I'll try to get back into the game, and not disappear. Sorry about that.
but honestly, not being crazy about my posting isn't quite a reason either. you cite rainbows and that's it. Jarjar, you gotta give something better for your vote. I don't it.
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EBWOP I don't like it.
as for Raven
On March 26 2013 07:29 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2013 06:47 Rainbows wrote:On March 26 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:@ Rainbows:On March 26 2013 04:07 Rainbows wrote:
TRN seems like an iffy lynch for today. I think there is scum between virtu and NW if not both. I think the cases on raven are biased... Saying he is scum because he lynched frogon is stupid, and especially coming from NW considering he could have prevented the lynch.
Guy lets frogon get lynched.
Guy blames other guy for lynching frorgon.
Seems, you know, legit. What's biased about my case on Raven? @ nobodywonder:What do you think about the case on virtu? What do you think about JarJar's analysis on the night hit and his vote on you? Where do you think he is wrong and why? The fact that youve been after him most of the game. Its kind of stupid tbh. I think raven is the townier than a bunch of ppl here but i think your confirmation biased is clouding your judgments. Of course i have been after him, because he is lying about stuff and i have proven it! Why is everyone ignoring that? He's also trying to stall the discussion, in the beginning of the game, and on N1. He is mafia and i don't understand why everyone just ignores that. Look at his defence. He doesn't even defend himself against my accusation, because he can't do it. Because i'm right! He's just whining about me and JarJar going after him from the beginning. Wtf? Ofc i will go after obv-scum like this from the beginning. I don't even know what the instant majority whine is about because i don't understand a single bit of that part. How can I defend myself when everytime I do its jsut called lies and ignored? Your trying so hard to tunnel me, I would almost assume you were an executioner if this game had it in the set up.
why so bitter? just get scumhunting, who cares if some guy is annoying you, if you're town, just scumhunt. anyways raven you're just so off from last game, that it is suspicious.
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my post above answers some of your questions about Jarjar, it's a rather weak argument against me that doesn't focus on whether i am scum or scummy, but rather how other people are more town or confirmed town, or they are a group where somehow there is only scum.
as for krafla's case on virtu. well it's interesting and takes many assumptions and it is somewhat wifom. overall i feel it's not a very strong case. yet at the same time virtu definitely needs some explaining and be at least relatively active, otherwise such inaction cannot be left unpunished
On March 26 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:@ Rainbows:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 04:07 Rainbows wrote:
TRN seems like an iffy lynch for today. I think there is scum between virtu and NW if not both. I think the cases on raven are biased... Saying he is scum because he lynched frogon is stupid, and especially coming from NW considering he could have prevented the lynch.
Guy lets frogon get lynched.
Guy blames other guy for lynching frorgon.
Seems, you know, legit. What's biased about my case on Raven? @ nobodywonder:What do you think about the case on virtu? What do you think about JarJar's analysis on the night hit and his vote on you? Where do you think he is wrong and why?
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On March 26 2013 14:29 nobodywonder wrote:
your whole case against is based on town confirmations My whole case isn't based on town confirmations. I'll try to break it down again:
Yes, I'm reading ray and rain as town for now. They're putting their opinions out there, trying to get other people to state their opinions and making logical conclusions. Yes I realize that people can play scum well and appear to be a townie but this is a noob game so I'm gonna assume this isn't the case for now.
So the 2nd part of my case is based on the night kill. I think you'd agree that if Fishgle didn't get hit last night, he'd be a prime lynch candidate for the town today right?
So now let's look @ the other 3 people that looked likely to be lynched going into the night: I'd say it'd have to be (Raven, Virtu and Krafla). If there was more than 1 scum out of those 3, do you really think they'd take the fishgle lynch off the table?
That leaves just you NW. So you're right, the bulk of my case is not based on whether or not you're acting scummy. Though after I came up w/ my conclusion, I reread your posts and tried to find something that sounded like actual scumhunting. I didn't see a thing that looked like a townie posting.
So tell me what in my case seems off to you:
Do you think I'm wrong about Ray or Rain? Why?
Do you think that there's a flaw in my analysis about the Fishgle hit? In other words: Do you think that Fishgle seems like a likely hit if there are multiple scum among Raven, Virtu and Krafla?
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On March 26 2013 14:29 nobodywonder wrote:
your whole case against is based on town confirmations, and I don't that is qualified when you haven't had great reads and the use of town confirmations can lead to holes or other issues. When you say I haven't had great reads, are you referring to only my read on Frorgon? Otherwise, how would you know how good my reads have been on anyone else?
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JarJar: There is actually something you are not taking into account. I just read my own and Rainbows filter. Neither of us really do call Fishgle out before N1 end (when it's impossible to change night actions). Nobody else wasn't really calling Fishgle out. There actually is a possibility that two of those guys you mentioned are mafia, because Fishgle didn't really have any opinions other than me & Rainbows. I don't still close the possibility of NW being mafia, but your case to be honest isn't a really good reasoning because it's based more on night hit WIFOM than actual analysis on why NW particularly is mafia.
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On March 26 2013 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JarJar: There is actually something you are not taking into account. I just read my own and Rainbows filter. Neither of us really do call Fishgle out before N1 end (when it's impossible to change night actions). Nobody else wasn't really calling Fishgle out. There actually is a possibility that two of those guys you mentioned are mafia, because Fishgle didn't really have any opinions other than me & Rainbows. I don't still close the possibility of NW being mafia, but your case to be honest isn't a really good reasoning because it's based more on night hit WIFOM than actual analysis on why NW particularly is mafia. I'll reread but I definately felt like people were banging on the fishgle is bad drum even before the night phase.
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On March 26 2013 14:31 nobodywonder wrote:EBWOP I don't like it. as for Raven Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 07:29 TheRavensName wrote:On March 26 2013 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2013 06:47 Rainbows wrote:On March 26 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:@ Rainbows:On March 26 2013 04:07 Rainbows wrote:
TRN seems like an iffy lynch for today. I think there is scum between virtu and NW if not both. I think the cases on raven are biased... Saying he is scum because he lynched frogon is stupid, and especially coming from NW considering he could have prevented the lynch.
Guy lets frogon get lynched.
Guy blames other guy for lynching frorgon.
Seems, you know, legit. What's biased about my case on Raven? @ nobodywonder:What do you think about the case on virtu? What do you think about JarJar's analysis on the night hit and his vote on you? Where do you think he is wrong and why? The fact that youve been after him most of the game. Its kind of stupid tbh. I think raven is the townier than a bunch of ppl here but i think your confirmation biased is clouding your judgments. Of course i have been after him, because he is lying about stuff and i have proven it! Why is everyone ignoring that? He's also trying to stall the discussion, in the beginning of the game, and on N1. He is mafia and i don't understand why everyone just ignores that. Look at his defence. He doesn't even defend himself against my accusation, because he can't do it. Because i'm right! He's just whining about me and JarJar going after him from the beginning. Wtf? Ofc i will go after obv-scum like this from the beginning. I don't even know what the instant majority whine is about because i don't understand a single bit of that part. How can I defend myself when everytime I do its jsut called lies and ignored? Your trying so hard to tunnel me, I would almost assume you were an executioner if this game had it in the set up. why so bitter? just get scumhunting, who cares if some guy is annoying you, if you're town, just scumhunt. anyways raven you're just so off from last game, that it is suspicious.
I wold like to add to my case that you saying my play from previous game was so ratically different when no one else from that game is and trying to force the idea that I am scummy because of it, when last game I was viewed as scum, for being different then how I was in the pre game,quite some time until the actual scums were figured out. In actuality, this is exactly how I played during the end of that game. Other people would have commented by now, such as rainbows or krafia, if it was so different. If you think my play is so scummy just vote on me, don't afk through another lynch and don't hide behind this friendly advice giver guise.
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Please i would like people to stop bringing meta to the arguments. Especially since noone of us has played more than two games here. The newbie games are here for learning so it's more than likely that players meta is going to change from their last game when they learn from their mistakes. It's not really alignment indicative if someone plays differently from last game.
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On March 26 2013 22:43 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JarJar: There is actually something you are not taking into account. I just read my own and Rainbows filter. Neither of us really do call Fishgle out before N1 end (when it's impossible to change night actions). Nobody else wasn't really calling Fishgle out. There actually is a possibility that two of those guys you mentioned are mafia, because Fishgle didn't really have any opinions other than me & Rainbows. I don't still close the possibility of NW being mafia, but your case to be honest isn't a really good reasoning because it's based more on night hit WIFOM than actual analysis on why NW particularly is mafia. I'll reread but I definately felt like people were banging on the fishgle is bad drum even before the night phase.
That's what i felt like too, but nobody really said so, so people who are not reading observantly may have missed it.
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Current votes at the moment if I can count.
virtu 1 - Krafla
NW 3 - Rainbows, JarJar, TRN
TRN 2 - ray, nw
So we're still waiting on a vote from virtu?
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On March 26 2013 23:30 Krafla wrote:
Current votes at the moment if I can count.
virtu 1 - Krafla
NW 3 - Rainbows, JarJar, TRN
TRN 2 - ray, nw
So we're still waiting on a vote from virtu?
Your vote is useless at the moment. We can switch to virtu if he fails to put something decent up when he posts. At this point there is no reason to have your vote on him.
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On March 26 2013 23:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 22:43 JarJarDrinks wrote:On March 26 2013 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JarJar: There is actually something you are not taking into account. I just read my own and Rainbows filter. Neither of us really do call Fishgle out before N1 end (when it's impossible to change night actions). Nobody else wasn't really calling Fishgle out. There actually is a possibility that two of those guys you mentioned are mafia, because Fishgle didn't really have any opinions other than me & Rainbows. I don't still close the possibility of NW being mafia, but your case to be honest isn't a really good reasoning because it's based more on night hit WIFOM than actual analysis on why NW particularly is mafia. I'll reread but I definately felt like people were banging on the fishgle is bad drum even before the night phase. That's what i felt like too, but nobody really said so, so people who are not reading observantly may have missed it. Yeah, I guess it seems like he wasn't as likely to be lynched as I remember. So that does put a hole in some of my reasoning.
On March 26 2013 23:30 Krafla wrote:
So we're still waiting on a vote from virtu? Actually we're waiting on anything from virtu. He was supposed to post in 5 hours like a day ago. I don't think we can let him continue to ignore this thread. If he's town, he done nothing to even appear as if he's trying to help.
So based on those 2 things, I'm gonna:
##Unvote
##Vote: virtu
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On March 26 2013 22:49 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 14:31 nobodywonder wrote:EBWOP I don't like it. as for Raven On March 26 2013 07:29 TheRavensName wrote:On March 26 2013 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2013 06:47 Rainbows wrote:On March 26 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:@ Rainbows:On March 26 2013 04:07 Rainbows wrote:
TRN seems like an iffy lynch for today. I think there is scum between virtu and NW if not both. I think the cases on raven are biased... Saying he is scum because he lynched frogon is stupid, and especially coming from NW considering he could have prevented the lynch.
Guy lets frogon get lynched.
Guy blames other guy for lynching frorgon.
Seems, you know, legit. What's biased about my case on Raven? @ nobodywonder:What do you think about the case on virtu? What do you think about JarJar's analysis on the night hit and his vote on you? Where do you think he is wrong and why? The fact that youve been after him most of the game. Its kind of stupid tbh. I think raven is the townier than a bunch of ppl here but i think your confirmation biased is clouding your judgments. Of course i have been after him, because he is lying about stuff and i have proven it! Why is everyone ignoring that? He's also trying to stall the discussion, in the beginning of the game, and on N1. He is mafia and i don't understand why everyone just ignores that. Look at his defence. He doesn't even defend himself against my accusation, because he can't do it. Because i'm right! He's just whining about me and JarJar going after him from the beginning. Wtf? Ofc i will go after obv-scum like this from the beginning. I don't even know what the instant majority whine is about because i don't understand a single bit of that part. How can I defend myself when everytime I do its jsut called lies and ignored? Your trying so hard to tunnel me, I would almost assume you were an executioner if this game had it in the set up. why so bitter? just get scumhunting, who cares if some guy is annoying you, if you're town, just scumhunt. anyways raven you're just so off from last game, that it is suspicious. I wold like to add to my case that you saying my play from previous game was so ratically different when no one else from that game is and trying to force the idea that I am scummy because of it, when last game I was viewed as scum, for being different then how I was in the pre game,quite some time until the actual scums were figured out. In actuality, this is exactly how I played during the end of that game. Other people would have commented by now, such as rainbows or krafia, if it was so different. If you think my play is so scummy just vote on me, don't afk through another lynch and don't hide behind this friendly advice giver guise.
TRN is so town guys -.-
Get the fuck off of him. Kill virtu / kill NW. Everyone keeps saying Raven's play is different and he's lying or whatever, but he's coming off super townie to me right now.
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