EPTAnd that is not what I meant either jar. I meant most people by that I meant the one guy who attacked said post could find a wau to make that out as scummy but they shouldn't. Afterall your keeping your word about getting more active as time goes on.
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
And that is not what I meant either jar. I meant most people by that I meant the one guy who attacked said post could find a wau to make that out as scummy but they shouldn't. Afterall your keeping your word about getting more active as time goes on. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On March 22 2013 23:03 Frorgon wrote: What's wrong Raven? You guys trying to cover each other's ass? If they are covering each other, why would JarJar point out Raven's suspicious actions? On top of saying "JarJar is hostile" - look at the the post: I gotta agree that jarjars post and hostility might be a little suspicious... however I know I did something similar in the last nmm and ended up doing some pretty decent work so I see no reason to punish it till after other people show up. Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling. - Raven "agrees with me" that JarJar is hostile. I have never implied i think JarJar is being hostile. Raven is basically saying i think JarJar is hostile which is a pure lie. Because i don't think so. - Raven is saying "JarJar might be suspicious but might not be". What's the point of saying so? Someone is suspicious or not. Mafia tends to do that because they would already know they are accusing a townie and it's easier to retract from your accusation if you give yourself an out in the first place. - "Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling". Spreading fear. There is no point saying this kinda stuff if you are town. We need discussion and you are not promoting it here at all. You are doing the opposite. This is not townielike at all. I think TheRavensName is mafia. | ||
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virtu
United Kingdom147 Posts
On March 22 2013 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: I didn't mean you, i meant the other players who posted after nobodywonder FoS'd you. Don't you find it odd that people do not talk anything relevant to the game when there is stuff to talk about? I understand people's first posts usually say nothing (or very little) but when there is something to talk about (in this case three votes and a FoS and at least one post i found interesting and worth questioning) there is no excuse to continue with posting something that does not help you find mafia. I'm a fan of posting constructively and of posting relevant content that helps with scumhunting, but I'd just like to point two things out, firstly that it's very early in the first day, and a bit of banter shouldn't be seen as dodging posting constructively. Secondly, a few of these votes are policy votes, joke votes or votes based on a previous game. Whilst these votes DO generate discussion, it does so between the person voting and the votee. It's difficult for an outsider to post directly on these votes until a response has been made by the person being voted for, and some discussion has been generated. Which is, for example, why my opening post contained a hello and a comment about flavour. However this is no excuse to lurk for half of the day, discussion should be generated ASAP. On March 22 2013 22:53 JarJarDrinks wrote: OK, now a post has stood out to me. This seems scummy: Pointing out that I'm suspicious and hostile (am I being hostile?) to make sure everybody else is aware of it but then posting a weak defense for me. Basically telling everyone: You should suspect jarjar, but I don't. Another thing this post does that I don't like is semi-imply that it's OK to...don't know how to put it but it's OK to post less, semi-lurk or be unsure of contributing just because it's day 1 and historically tough to weed mafia out. This is infact the opposite, if anything day1 should be as discussion-filled as possible BECAUSE it's harder to find mafia d1, more effort, posts and discussion are needed. As town, you should NEVER be afraid to post. Speak your mind, as long as you keep your thoughts constructive and concise so you aren't misconstrued as trying to cause chaos in the thread you'll be fine. Sidenote: I know the two halves of this post kind of contradict each other - but both are valid points so i'm going to post them together anyway. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
- Raven is saying "JarJar might be suspicious but might not be". What's the point of saying so? Someone is suspicious or not. Mafia tends to do that because they would already know they are accusing a townie and it's easier to retract from your accusation if you give yourself an out in the first place. The other thing it can do is set that townie up when the scummy eventually gets lynched and turns up red. Like his teammates can point out "Look, he defended jarjar" after he turns up red. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
I think TheRavensName is mafia. me too##Vote: TheRavensName | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
What you are saying in your post is either obvious or repeating stuff that other people have said. So you are not really saying much. Do you think TheRavensName is mafia or not at the moment? You pointed out something yet you lack the conclusion. | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
I'd rather kill Ray right now. On March 22 2013 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: If they are covering each other, why would JarJar point out Raven's suspicious actions? - Raven "agrees with me" that JarJar is hostile. I have never implied i think JarJar is being hostile. Raven is basically saying On March 22 2013 21:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's pretty interesting you say this. How do you propose we actually get the game going if everyone acts like this? On March 22 2013 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why do you feel like you have to tell people you won't be lurking when nobody is even accusing you of lurking? Why so defensive? Afraid of something? You never implied JarJar was hostile...but you were voting him and calling him out on a bunch of shit. Apparently you had a reason to believe he is scum (hostile, yes?). Then,you proceed to sheep his quote on Raven. What were you trying to accomplish here? Because it certainly doesn't seem town-motivated to be questioning a 'scum read' and then switching bases completely when he picks up something moderately scummy in someone else. ##Vote: Ray So, bro, tell me, what IS your stance on JarJar? Did your read on him suddenly evaporate? | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
On March 22 2013 23:57 TheRavensName wrote: My favorite part is Frorgon gets to sheep a post in and doesn't get called for it, but V gets jumped 10 minutes after he shows up.. I posted my explination for wording and reasonings behind it. Pease find something else for me to do other then respond to the same points over and over again. Stop complaining. If you're town you'll find something to do. | ||
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virtu
United Kingdom147 Posts
Not really repeating anything people have said, and if it was obvious then you wouldn't have been the one telling people to comment on the votes that have been made instead of saying hi and commenting on flavour. I dislike his post in it's entirety, but I'm not reading too much into it for now. What he's said in his defence is true (link) Omni does indeed step in and defend him here, for a very similar post and mistake. Passing this off as a townie mistake for now. | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On March 23 2013 00:07 Rainbows wrote: Sup dudes. I'd rather kill Ray right now. You never implied JarJar was hostile...but you were voting him and calling him out on a bunch of shit. Apparently you had a reason to believe he is scum (hostile, yes?). Then,you proceed to sheep his quote on Raven. What were you trying to accomplish here? Because it certainly doesn't seem town-motivated to be questioning a 'scum read' and then switching bases completely when he picks up something moderately scummy in someone else. ##Vote: Ray So, bro, tell me, what IS your stance on JarJar? Did your read on him suddenly evaporate? On March 22 2013 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: - Raven is saying "JarJar might be suspicious but might not be". What's the point of saying so? Someone is suspicious or not. Mafia tends to do that because they would already know they are accusing a townie and it's easier to retract from your accusation if you give yourself an out in the first place. - "Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling". Spreading fear. There is no point saying this kinda stuff if you are town. We need discussion and you are not promoting it here at all. You are doing the opposite. This is not townielike at all. I think TheRavensName is mafia. Something that your missing is the fact he calls me out for "Spreading Fear" by saying I'm wrong to say Day 1 is scary, but he himself is already doing that by calling out the only two people who have said something along those lines and also he just sort of drops the whole thing he had on Jar Jar who was saying the same thing. WIFOM Warning for coming far too early in the game + Show Spoiler + Per chance it was a set up, with Jarjar posting, Ray respnding, and then they team up on whoever takes the bait (me.) I also again did not meant to say he was supicious, but how his actions could be seen as suspicious. I would not defend him in that same post if I really thought he was supicious. In my opnion, I think Ray is just someone swinging out for the blood of an early myslynch and he is going to keep switching around till he finds one that works enough. Why did he drop Jar to focus on me instead of calling out more people who were lurking? This one gained traction first. So you dislikemy joke vote/ I'll change it for ya. Unvote: Geript Vote: Raynpelikoneet | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
I called JarJar out because i found it odd he needed to tell everyone he isn't gonna lurk. I don't think that was a "bunch of shit". It also started the discussion. Why do you think calling out little stuff early on in the game is scummy? Because there is nothing but little stuff to start with. I thought the hostile meant his behaviour is hostile, not that the word hostile=scum. Why do you think Raven meant it that way? It's not sheeping if you agree with someone. I made the same observation he did and pointed it out (in addition i pointed out other stuff i found out scummy in Raven's post). Based on what JarJar has said i'm leaning town on him. He's being open and actually does shit that makes sense. What's your read on Raven? | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
All you've done so far is make some lurking comment and call out Raven this game. If you really think he is scummy provide some backup for it, instead of bolstering the case with a single comment and then disappearing. It pisses me off when people do that. So non-commital. | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
On March 23 2013 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Rainbows: I called JarJar out because i found it odd he needed to tell everyone he isn't gonna lurk. I don't think that was a "bunch of shit". It also started the discussion. Why do you think calling out little stuff early on in the game is scummy? Because there is nothing but little stuff to start with. I thought the hostile meant his behaviour is hostile, not that the word hostile=scum. Why do you think Raven meant it that way? It's not sheeping if you agree with someone. I made the same observation he did and pointed it out (in addition i pointed out other stuff i found out scummy in Raven's post). Based on what JarJar has said i'm leaning town on him. He's being open and actually does shit that makes sense. What's your read on Raven? Calling out little stuff early game isn't scummy. It's the fact that you switched gears so fucking fast and were like "SHIT DUDE, This Raven guy right here, so scummy (:". Okay I'll give you the point hostile doesn't always = scummy, but generally it is. Oh so you're leaning town on Jar, interesting. | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On March 23 2013 00:30 Rainbows wrote: Dat Raven omgus and sheep vote. Sigh this is why I didn't want to make a case. If I had made it first it would have been descredited as me trying to save myself, and now I'm sheeping. Its exactly like the last game we played with accused people! YAY! | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
Do you agree with me in my post where i told why i think Raven is scummy? If yes, why, if not, why? | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
On March 23 2013 00:31 TheRavensName wrote: Sigh this is why I didn't want to make a case. If I had made it first it would have been descredited as me trying to save myself, and now I'm sheeping. Its exactly like the last game we played with accused people! YAY! Except those people flipped scum. . .? MLuneth omgus'd me so hard I lynched the him, made me happy. Raven, Your post is based on the fact that Ray called you out on some shit, and you defended said shit, but he still thinks you're scummy. I think it's an emotional vote. | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
On March 23 2013 00:33 TheRavensName wrote: PS: By Rayn's logic I'm not sheeping. I'm agreeing with you xD Except I don't entirely disagree with his points against you. The wish-washy statement was valid and true. You agree (sheep?) my point, and then just say that Ray is completely wrong in his reasoning and that makes him scum. Bad reasoning can come from either alignment, unfortunately. Raven, at this point i'm leaning slight town on you because I think your vote was cavalier and not based on solid reasoning other than what I presented. | ||
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