Newbie Mafia XXXIX - Page 8

On March 23 2013 00:36 Rainbows wrote:


Except those people flipped scum. . .? MLuneth omgus'd me so hard I lynched the him, made me happy.

Raven, Your post is based on the fact that Ray called you out on some shit, and you defended said shit, but he still thinks you're scummy. I think it's an emotional vote.

On March 23 2013 00:42 Rainbows wrote:


Except I don't entirely disagree with his points against you. The wish-washy statement was valid and true. You agree (sheep?) my point, and then just say that Ray is completely wrong in his reasoning and that makes him scum. Bad reasoning can come from either alignment, unfortunately. Raven, at this point i'm leaning slight town on you because I think your vote was cavalier and not based on solid reasoning other than what I presented.

On March 23 2013 00:44 TheRavensName wrote:


Actually NW and Meatless both had it happen to them, and NW only survive cause Arctic made himself look really bad when he came back after getting his blank pass.

No not really. Actually, in hindsightI used against you last game, "Your super aggressive and I dislike that and find it scummy."

Its too early to go after lurkers, as I think the first day should contain a 24 hour grace period and they have posted nothing to make themselves look bad. I already said that I think Jar is just like melast game and just kind of newbie and green, and hes shown that by running with the ball so far I'm giving him a null read.
Really my only choices so far are Ray and Frorgon.Now that I think back to it and started re-looking over last game again Frorgron he lurked for the first chunk of day 1 last game anyways so I mean.. I'm just assuming he is at like work or something and only had time for that one post eventhough it bothers me (and I sad as much.) This leaves me with Ray and hes the case I attempted to strengthen.

On March 23 2013 00:48 virtu wrote:
So far the only person that's really caught my attention is ray, for how aggressive he's being, the speed of which he's exchanged his focus and vote. These are all points that have been brought up by others, but it's the only truly suspicious thing happening atm.

@ray what do you hope to achieve by switching focus at the drop of a pin with your agressiveness? two or three more posts like that and you're going after half the thread. Do you think this is an effective way to find mafia? why?

On March 23 2013 00:19 virtu wrote:
rayn:

Not really repeating anything people have said, and if it was obvious then you wouldn't have been the one telling people to comment on the votes that have been made instead of saying hi and commenting on flavour.

I dislike his post in it's entirety, but I'm not reading too much into it for now. What he's said in his defence is true (link) Omni does indeed step in and defend him here, for a very similar post and mistake. Passing this off as a townie mistake for now.

So far the only person that's really caught my attention is ray, for how aggressive he's being, the speed of which he's exchanged his focus and vote. These are all points that have been brought up by others, but it's the only truly suspicious thing happening atm.

@ray what do you hope to achieve by switching focus at the drop of a pin with your agressiveness? two or three more posts like that and you're going after half the thread. Do you think this is an effective way to find mafia? why?

On March 23 2013 00:52 Rainbows wrote:


Well I had the giant ass case on scum and he basically said I was wrong, super defended himself, and that I was scum for it.

Anyway, I'm a bit confused as to Ray's intentions in all of these shennanies.

@Ray

I don't think Raven is scum solely based on the evidence given. Talk to me. Do you really believe he is scum atm? What about guys with zero pressure on them such as Frogon and Virtu? So easy for scum to hide in a shitfest such as this. Hell, what dost thou thinkest of ME?

On March 23 2013 00:53 Rainbows wrote:


Holy crap you're scum.

##Unvote
##Vote: Virtu

On March 23 2013 01:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:


The thing is. Look at what has happened. There are two people voting for me atm. For what? For me trying to figure out stuff. I like to vote, my vote will always be on a person i find out to be scummiest at the moment. I presented my case for people to discuss it and i am sticking with it until it's proven i am wrong or we find someone who is more scummy.

I understand this might be a townie mistake, i just don't think it is. And using "what someone else did in some other game" isn't really a defence that convinces me. If Raven actually starts scumhunting, contributing and making observations that make sense i'm willing to reconsider my vote. If he is in fact town the best defence is to start finding mafia.



Early on it's effective to question people as much as possible. We get discussion and everyone needs to participate. I am not "switching my focus", voting for someone you think is mafia tells that you actually think they are mafia and you are not just being wishy-washy. I never really thought JarJar was mafia. Note that i voted him earlier than he posted. My vote being on him had nothing to do with what he said later. I just didn't bother to change my vote because voting for someone also pressures them to do things. Which JarJar then did. It's that simple.

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Another note. There is no point in going after lurkers now. They will post later, if they don't, we lynch them. Period. Note that TheRavensName also noticed this, but a part of his case against me is me "Why did he drop Jar to focus on me instead of calling out more people who were lurking". I don't even know what to say..

So i am being voted for being aggressive (does aggressive = scum?), for trying to promote discussion and getting the discussion started and for voting for a person i think is mafia (with a case that noone has proven to be wrong). I don't care to defend myself because it's so silly.

And yes, Frorgron's post is another thing that bothers me at the moment. I even asked him about it and i am expecting an answer when he comes back.

On March 23 2013 01:34 Fishgle wrote:
Here's my thoughts. Rayn and Raven voted for someone on very little evidence, almost immediately. Kinda trigger-happy. Nobodywonder FOS'd JarJar because he's was trying to avoid saying anything. That makes sense.

But anyway, Krafla hasn't posted yet and it's usually the silent ones that are the killers. FOS

@Rayn, getting mafia is important, but you should realize that you get no vote if you're dead. Stop giving people reasons to vote for you. you're being needlessly aggressive and desperately trying to throw any blame off himself. But maybe you're just a cop.

That goes for the rest of you, too. The people we should be interrogating are: Frogon, virtu, Krafla, and myself. Let's not give people a free pass.

On March 09 2013 00:04 Arctic Daishi wrote:

Been reading up on recent happenings for about 15 minutes now.

I tend to agree with Krafla, TheRavensName and OmniEulogy in that no-lynching is a bad idea. If we don't start gathering information now, then we'll be off to a disadvantage. I think if there's a possibility of lynching someone on the other side, then we should take it. This is my first game though, so I could very well be making the wrong move. I voted for Kafla, because a few other people suspected him as well, making him suspicious.

On March 23 2013 00:48 virtu wrote:
So far the only person that's really caught my attention is ray, for how aggressive he's being, the speed of which he's exchanged his focus and vote. These are all points that have been brought up by others, but it's the only truly suspicious thing happening atm.

@ray what do you hope to achieve by switching focus at the drop of a pin with your agressiveness? two or three more posts like that and you're going after half the thread. Do you think this is an effective way to find mafia? why?

On March 23 2013 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you somehow know that nobodywonder FOS'd JarJar "because he's was trying to avoid saying anything"? Because that was not the impression i got from his FoS.

nobodywonder or Frorgon has done nearly as little as Krafla. Why single out just Krafla?

How exactly i'm giving people reasons to vote for me? Again, being aggressive =/= mafia. And wtf is that cop comment

Why are you leaving nobodywonder out of this list? And why is virtu there? And what is the purpose of the list in the first place? Everyone should be interrogated, noone less than others.

On March 23 2013 02:31 Fishgle wrote:

yea you're right. seems like more of a joke post now that I read it again.


you're right. my bad. replace krafla with "all the lurkers"


but being aggressive doesn't mean you're not mafia either. You're drawing tons of attention to yourself and creating a scene. I understand that the whole point of mafia is to actively figure out who the scum are, but you're pushing everyone's buttons, which most people won't like. And it might make you a target.


I about forgot nobodywonder. And yea, I agree. Everyone should be interrogated equally, that was my point, and why I wrote the list. Krafla, frogron, and nobodywonder haven't been questioned at all yet. And whoever else I may have missed.

On March 23 2013 01:34 Fishgle wrote:
Here's my thoughts. Rayn and Raven voted for someone on very little evidence, almost immediately. Kinda trigger-happy. Nobodywonder FOS'd JarJar because he's was trying to avoid saying anything. That makes sense.

But anyway, Krafla hasn't posted yet and it's usually the silent ones that are the killers. FOS

@Rayn, getting mafia is important, but you should realize that you get no vote if you're dead. Stop giving people reasons to vote for you. you're being needlessly aggressive and desperately trying to throw any blame off himself. But maybe you're just a cop.

That goes for the rest of you, too. The people we should be interrogating are: Frogon, virtu, Krafla, and myself. Let's not give people a free pass.