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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On March 22 2013 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: If they are covering each other, why would JarJar point out Raven's suspicious actions? Is this what your refering to each other? This is hardly calling him out. Your disagreeing with his post and then just walking away from it, instead of asking him why does he think we are covering each other when Jarjar has called me suspicious. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On March 23 2013 07:35 TheRavensName wrote: Is this what your refering to each other? This is hardly calling him out. Your disagreeing with his post and then just walking away from it, instead of asking him why does he think we are covering each other when Jarjar has called me suspicious. Isn't that exactly what i am asking there? | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On March 23 2013 06:39 nobodywonder wrote: @JarJar no, i did not take it out of context. that's what I mean. you had your suspicions, but never seemed to act upon til Ray posts. and you do so with a quote of his sentiment. so to me, it does look sheepy. @Raven, double negative in your post. anyways you seem ...off and perhaps nervous at this thing called scumhunting. why do frorgon and ray worry ypu? My bad on the Double Neg, sometimes I accidently hit the little mousepaddy thing on the laptop and it moves the cursor so when I reread it I pu the first don't in where it should have been and then forgot to remove the other one. I'm also getting a migrain, been sleeping between my posts, but thats not an excuse. Its the meta thing man. I basically went after Rainbows for the same reasons I went after Ray and I was completly wrong last game. So I'm nervous about accusing Ray even though he just seems to be swapping around randomly and changing his mind every 5 seconds on who he is convinced is scum.. even rainbows didn't go that far when he was being blood hungry. As to Frorgon, I'm worried about him getting a free pass by just kinda jumping onto issues someone else points out and then skirting away without saying anything. He seems a little scummy to me by trying to force a connection in his one brief post that is counteracted by the evidence so far. His case on Virtu seems more like a sheep onto rainbows and he seems sure of how a godfather acts when he hasn't played one with a godfather yet when we are not certain there even is one. I think he oculd have drawn Godfather himself personally. | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On March 23 2013 07:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Isn't that exactly what i am asking there? But there is no follow up by you for the purpose of trying to get an answer out of him would be my point. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On March 23 2013 07:52 TheRavensName wrote: But there is no follow up by you for the purpose of trying to get an answer out of him would be my point. But that's not true at all. I can't make Frorgon post when i want him to. It was a simple question i assumed he would answer the next time he posts. Which he did. I didn't buy his answer as i explained a couple of posts ago. And i think he is scummy. I'm not giving anyone a free pass but it definitely does not help i confront Frorgon or anyone about the same things they have not been able to answer to yet. That kinda stuff will only shit up the thread and does not help at all. So I'm nervous about accusing Ray even though he just seems to be swapping around randomly and changing his mind every 5 seconds on who he is convinced is scum.. Are you intentionally trying to make me look bad? The bolded part is a straight out lie. I have already explained i wanted to hear more from JarJar regarding his comment and about my vote on him. I am not swapping targets at all. I think you have a good chance of being mafia for reasons i have stated before and for trying to make me look bad for reasons which don't hold water. I think Frorgon is suspicious for reasons i have stated a couple of posts ago. Another person of interest for me is Fishgle whose post i think was pretty bad. Krafla has yet to post anything. So what should i do? Do you think me asking questions from people is "swapping targets"? Should i just be dead set on someone, tunnel them and ignore everything other said in thread? That's what you think? | ||
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Frorgon
United States146 Posts
@Raven The quote about a "godfather" was by virtu and not me. I didn't format the post to quote him properly, and obviously can't edit it. Now it seems like Raven and ray are not too concerned with virtu's disdain for actual scumhunting. I will add ray that you seem to be fine with virtu posting to look for reactions, but in my case it's unacceptable, even though when it was done earlier in the game with less to go on. I don't really see a connection between the two these days either. So you should at least be consistent with your thoughts on that matter. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Now it seems like Raven and ray are not too concerned with virtu's disdain for actual scumhunting. I will add ray that you seem to be fine with virtu posting to look for reactions, but in my case it's unacceptable, even though when it was done earlier in the game with less to go on. I don't really see a connection between the two these days either. So you should at least be consistent with your thoughts on that matter. Here's what i find different in your / virtu's reaction test: virtu said he was looking for my reactions. He did get a reaction from me. After that he said he agreed with me and his question to me was a reaction test. If virtu was mafia, why would he say it was a reaction test in the first place when he doesn't have to? He could just explain he noticed the same thing about me other people did and he is okay with my explanation and understands me better. There is no reason for him to lie "oh, it was a reaction test" when he can easily get away from the argument without lying. Don't get me wrong, this in no way proves virtu is definitely town. I'm just inclined to think this is more likely to be townie behaviour than mafia. The thing about your reaction test i don't understand is this. If you do reaction tests, you should have some kinda purpose behind this. If you think people you are testing are mafia, you should already have some kind of a clue what you expect them to answer. I don't see what you were trying to achieve with your comment. What is it that you were trying to get out from JarJar & Raven? And why do that with a comment that doesn't make sense in the first place? | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On March 22 2013 23:03 Frorgon wrote: What's wrong Raven? You guys trying to cover each other's ass? On March 23 2013 04:16 Frorgon wrote: @Rainbows I wasn't necessarily suspicious of Raven. I was trying to provoke some more discussion, because up until that point there hadn't been much. I'd get a gist about Raven based on his response and I think I was fairly successful in that. Comparing it to the previous game I'd say as of now he leans town for me. Does that first post sound like someone that's trying to provoke discussion or sound like someone accusing people of being scummy? It seems to me that Frorg is clearly trying to imply scumminess. But he's saying that he was just trying to get a reaction, which maybe would be believable if his next post wasn't this: On March 23 2013 04:26 Frorgon wrote: Huh? I thought you just said that your comment was to provoke discussion, NOT because you thought Raven was scummy? @ray The point I was trying to make was that Raven pointed out jarjar as potentially suspicious, and then later in the same post backed off and said that the behavior could possibly explained. It's a scum move to give the appearance of suspecting someone in order to look useful, only to avoid committing to it later on. in the same post. So while I'm still suspicious of Raven. I don't think he looks as scummy as Frorgon does. ##Unvote: TheRavensName ##Vote: Frorgon | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
Vote Count! All votes must be in the correct format to be counted. You are required to vote. Virtu (2): Rainbows, Frogon TheRavensName (1): Raynpelikoneet, Raynpelikoneet (1):TheRavensName, Frogon: (1) JarJarDrinks JarJarDrinks(0): Not Voting: (4) Virtu, Fishgle, Krafla, Nobodywonder Currently, Virtu is set to be lynched! 21 hours until lynch deadline (Sunday, Mar 24 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)). Please let us know if I need to go back to Muggle math class, or if my counting spell is not functioning properly. Can't trust magic for everything! Edit: WHY DID YOU VOTE FOR GERIPT HES NOT IN THE GAME T.T | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
Krafla TheRavensName JarJarDrinks Rainbows nobodywonder Frogron Fishgle raynpelikoneet virtu We're all thinking it, I'm just doing the legwork. /grumble grumble Also: Is that geript vote really on the votecount. . . And I need sleep. We need to consolidate votes by deadline or this is going to end up in a shitfest. Kill virtu with fire kthnx, bigger post inc in morning I want people who aren't voting to make a stance so I can analyze this lynch. Last minute shenanigans are not something to be desired. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
On March 23 2013 20:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Everyone who has not voted need to take a look at the cases presented so far and vote for one of them. Or present a case of their own. Otherwise we end up with a shitfest in the last hours of the phase and that's not good. Way to say exactly what I just said. Good use of reading mechanics. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Do you have anything to comment on virtu's defence on his case? What are your thoughts on Frorgon and Fishgle? nobodywonder: Why do you think the case on virtu is valid? You asked my thoughts on it, i posted them and you didn't comment on it any more. What are your thoughts on Frorgon and Fishgle? Frorgon: You said this: I'd get a gist about Raven based on his response and I think I was fairly successful in that. Comparing it to the previous game I'd say as of now he leans town for me. Can you explain a bit better your town read on Raven? How exactly does his behaviour in last game compared to this one comes up as town? Also, what do you think of Fishgle? Raven: What do you think of Fishgle atm? | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
On March 22 2013 23:33 virtu wrote: I'm a fan of posting constructively and of posting relevant content that helps with scumhunting, but I'd just like to point two things out, firstly that it's very early in the first day, and a bit of banter shouldn't be seen as dodging posting constructively. Secondly, a few of these votes are policy votes, joke votes or votes based on a previous game. Whilst these votes DO generate discussion, it does so between the person voting and the votee. It's difficult for an outsider to post directly on these votes until a response has been made by the person being voted for, and some discussion has been generated. Which is, for example, why my opening post contained a hello and a comment about flavour. However this is no excuse to lurk for half of the day, discussion should be generated ASAP. Another thing this post does that I don't like is semi-imply that it's OK to...don't know how to put it but it's OK to post less, semi-lurk or be unsure of contributing just because it's day 1 and historically tough to weed mafia out. This is infact the opposite, if anything day1 should be as discussion-filled as possible BECAUSE it's harder to find mafia d1, more effort, posts and discussion are needed. As town, you should NEVER be afraid to post. Speak your mind, as long as you keep your thoughts constructive and concise so you aren't misconstrued as trying to cause chaos in the thread you'll be fine. Sidenote: I know the two halves of this post kind of contradict each other - but both are valid points so i'm going to post them together anyway. This is virtu's first real post. I ask myself: what is he trying to accomplish here? Instead of commenting on the happenings in the thread, it is simply speaking in generalities. Town should be doing this, we should be generating discussion this way. Guys, obviously I'm pro-town if I'm suggesting we do these pro-town things but not actually do them. How does this post further towns agenda of finding scum? It doesn't. It's a pretty generic post that serves no real purpose on than for people to go "Ahh! Yes! This fine TLer right here, he is advocating pro-town things!" Here's the post that really caught my attention: On March 23 2013 00:48 virtu wrote: So far the only person that's really caught my attention is ray, for how aggressive he's being, the speed of which he's exchanged his focus and vote. These are all points that have been brought up by others, but it's the only truly suspicious thing happening atm. @ray what do you hope to achieve by switching focus at the drop of a pin with your agressiveness? two or three more posts like that and you're going after half the thread. Do you think this is an effective way to find mafia? why? At this point in time, I had just made a post on Ray and voted him. Virtu steps in a page later and simply casts his 'suspicion' upon him. Why is this post scummy? Because virtu is not attempting to find scum on his own. . . he is content at using my post on Ray in order to justify his 'read'. Town want to search all possible avenues, but apparently the only thing that has caught his attention is something I earlier put in bold. There was plenty of other things scummy in the thread at the time that nobody mentioned (see: frogron question). Why is virtu not trying to find scum himself? And he hasn't all game long. I won't comment on the Godfather incident. On March 23 2013 01:40 virtu wrote: It is too early to go after lurkers but not too early to notice they aren't really posting, which they should start doing asap. Outside opinions on the back and forth between you and raven, and rainbow's colourful (pun intended) contributions would be nice. What the hell is this post trying to say? So we should not go after lurkers (easy target) but we should definitely notice they aren't doing shit! So yeah guys, be suspect of lurkers right now. Pretty paramount that we notice those lurkers aren't posting, because, you know, that gets us places. virtu's defence On March 23 2013 02:50 virtu wrote: If you take the GF thing seriously, you're stupid. I'm clearly responding to your utterly ridiculous attempt at calling me scum with an equally ridiculous response. Simple as that. Also, your comparison is terrible, I'm ADMITTING i'm not adding anything to the thread in my own post because I know I'm not, and I have nothing to add at that moment in time. Still, I post it because it's better to post whether I agree/disagree with things others have said than to not post at all, even if it is one way scum hide amongst townies. In AD's post he accidentally adds in the fact that he's sheeping others, in a post trying to look like he's adding to the thread. they're completely different posts. Basically flails his arms at me and calls me stupid, which made me giggle on the inside. Firstly, the comparison between his post and AD's post is concrete, dispute that all you want. Was a scummy post yo. In reference to the bolded, wtf? So you should post to agree / disagree and act all scummy as hell? IF THIS IS YOUR PHILOSOPHY ON PLAYING TOWN, PLEASE LEAVE SIR. virtu refuses to find scum on his own. AT ALL! I also thought his response to the Fishgle post was interesting. But that's for another day. Synopsis: - virtu posts paragraphs that do nothing to further towns agenda. - virtu doesn't hunt scum all game, and refuses to. - virtu openly sheeps with zero original thinking, but we should be suspect of lurkers. virtu best lynch right now, gonna be flippin' scum all over this bitch. | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
On March 23 2013 21:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Rainbows: Do you have anything to comment on virtu's defence on his case? What are your thoughts on Frorgon and Fishgle? See above. Frorgon seems to be on the wagon of great justice, so he seems alright to me. Fishgle hasn't done anything besides be bad at this game so far. | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
In short, vote virtu win game. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
I'm still keeping my vote on Raven. He's voting me for trying to figure out stuff (lol), and for changing my mind every 5 seconds (lie). He's also adding more fuel on me by saying i didn't confront Frorgon (which i did) and when i explained that he said i lack the conclusion (lie). Other than that he has done very litte. His other suspect is Frorgon but he doesn't seem to want to figure out where Frorgon's head is at. He says Frorgon is suspicious but he doesn't want to investigate in that matter further. Every other thing he has commented is "JarJar made a suspicious post but i don't think he is that suspicious". His play makes no sense from town point of view. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
virtu said his suspicion on me was a reaction test later on. Do you not believe him? | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
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