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Don't want to miss out of the GreYMisT points deal of the century. | ||
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Hello everyone! I think you should vote austinmcc for Mayor. Or any other elected office. But mainly mayor. As mayor, I'll aim to keep a healthy thread environment. We have a lot of heavily-themed roles it seems, and a couple posting restrictions or flavor-lovers. Limericks and rats are nice, but there are a lot of other things that get lost when there is too much creativity and not enough scumhunting. So please be judicious with your silly posts. But the real benefit to electing me mayor is that I will lynch scum. For now, that means lynching slOosh or crossfire. I like those better than oats, although I agree that oats doesn't look very green here. But iirc I'm not particularly good at putting oats's actions together with his alignment. slOosh is a good townie, and generally active. scumslOosh is inactive. slOosh this game is... But the stronger lynch today is crossfire. I like the idea that some scum will attempt to hide within personalities, allowing them to play the game from a less-than-town angle and pass it off as part of the game. crossfire has done just that. He has talked his nonsense, and I enjoyed reading his posts. But the posts contain little/nothing. bugs's post had some logic in them. Others are roleplaying within the context of scumhunting. crossfire is just posting nonsense. At best he called hiro out for voting for "non-alignment reasons," but he hasn't called out any other bad votes and he didn't go anywhere with hiro. Call out his vote, blink away. | ||
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what are those BHs in the Foolishness pic holding? wbg's posts may ramble, but they rambled while making townie points (at times). Read his post about how rats work. It's not the most insightful thing ever, but it gave me a strong townie vibe on him, because he was still playing mafia while filling the thread with nonsense (unlike crossfire). oats does look bad. I like the point on reads more than the point on not following his own advice, especially within a game where everyone is playing as someone else. For starts, you look at the iamperfection/mocsta pushes from oats, but you miss this: On March 11 2013 02:31 Oatsmaster wrote: Oats still pushing iamp, before you post, in response to iamp finding hiro scummy based on hiro's wanting claims. Specifically, iamp made a case, and oats immediately jumps all over iamp. I dislike that, because he's not actually seeking discussion on those questions, he starts off with the all caps LYNCH IAMP, which makes it feel like the questions don't matter. He just wants to lynch iamp, for...making a case and scumhunting.LYNCH IAMP. Why Hiro and not the other numerous people with 1/2/3 posts? Also Hiro never pushed that idea as it was never brought up again. There's also his posts on ver. Check these out: On March 10 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Ver's entrance is "unimpressive" and he has no posts after. Reads like Oats finds this scummyI do not use the word expound. Mocsta start playing the damn game. What do you think about Ver's unimpressive entry and subsequent no posts. Also what do you think of marv. Who is your top scumread. On March 10 2013 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote: But now acro finds Ver scummy for the same post, and Oats thinks it's a horrible reason for a vote.Thats a horrible reason to think someone is scum. Seriously do you think he is serious? Also arent you of the opinion that vets shouldnt be lynched day 1 unless scum claim in thread? On March 10 2013 23:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Acro responds, and Oats downplays Ver's post. Ver has a whopping one post. And yet Oats still manages to have 3 different thoughts about it. Weird interaction, and weirdly inconsistent.Or he was kidding, and roleplaying. Its one fucking post. Is he really the scummiest person so far? | ||
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Also, why haven't you voted me for mayor? Why hasn't ANYONE voted me for mayor? | ||
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On March 11 2013 12:01 marvellosity wrote: hey austin, why did you pick on sloosh (someone who hasn't posted yet, jeez) & crossfire, but not stutters? Because stutters is stutters, and I have played with him. Crossfire had posted and it was ALL fluff (and pretty much still is). slOosh is, again, someone who has impressed me as a townie, and someone i KNOW is generally lurky/less active as scum. Remember me checking him in parallel worlds? Same thing here. An uninterested slOosh is a scumslOosh imo, and as of yet we have no indication that his disinterest is personality-related and not because he's scum. On March 11 2013 16:49 yamato77 wrote: At 6:59 TL time, you said you'd solve the Kurumi problem. 7:06 Kita announces Kurumi town. Half the game calls you out for making a poor choice with your power. At 8:14, you say pro GF snipe. If you knew Kurumi was going to die, why did you wait so long to say so? Why didn't you respond to complaints about your use of your power earlier? First of all, my role is all inclusive. I didn't choose to reveal his alignment and then shoot him, it happens as a consequence of the person being town. So as soon as I PM'd his name as the alignment check, his fate was sealed and there was nothing I could do about it. On March 11 2013 23:24 marvellosity wrote: Seeing as how you initially responded to snb with summary statements like oats was town, felt like townoats, or whatever, I don't like how you are requesting others to go do the work of digging up oats's posts from past games and comparing his posts to others in this game and pastoats. You chose not to do that. Which points are good? Which make Oats scum? How is Oats' play different this game to Hiro's game, or how is it similar to LIX where he was mafia? | ||
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Crossfire is still scummy. slOosh's 3 posts ain't much, still doesn't look like townslOosh. I would like to be elected mayor. If elected mayor, I promise to go back in time to right now, and establish a Blue Ribbon Panel on the issue of wbg. I found parts of his posting townie, but he has dipped out after the whole kurumi bit, and I have undervaluated the scumminess of someone dipping out after key moment and lying low through pressure. Would anyone like to be on my Blue Ribbon Panel? The minutes of this first meeting will most likely contain discussion of how scumbugs responds to pressure. I remember him being town and lynched D1 in paranoia, and he was somewhat angry at getting lynched, lashing out at town for being dumb. Here there is none of that. Does bugs always get angry and lash out at town when lynched? or only mislynched? (I think I only have one game with scum bugs). Pending the results of at least that topic of discussion, I would consider lynching bugs. An associate of mine has submitted a file concerning mocsta and corazon. I will review that file, but as of now do not want to make either of them my lynch. Remember: a mayoral vote for austinmcc is a mayoral vote for austinmcc. | ||
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On March 12 2013 00:41 marvellosity wrote: Frankly, my future office was unconcerned with stutters's posts. I did not realize there had been as many as there had. Will poke at past stutters games, but at first glance even the fluffy posts don't strike me as anything more than stutters gonna stutters.So you think what Stutters has posted so far ISN'T all fluff? Why would I dig up posts to prove someone is town, unless they're getting lynched imminently? Corazon is giving a mafia-read on someone and I'm asking him to back it up with evidence. Fairly simple. They are fluffy, yes. But I am used to seeing very little activity from stutters, whereas I'm used to seeing very little activity from scumslOosh, but not town. stutters plays how he plays, slOosh has two different modes. | ||
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iamp, top target right now is Crossfire. He's got my vote. His return hasn't been anything but more of the same. He's had a couple people say they're suspicious of him, or that he's scummy, but he's not gaining votes (just like me and my mayoral campaign  ). That is a bad indicator to me.bugs is a possible target, but I want to actually talk that one out. I know that I overvalue townie posts sometimes and discard someone's reaction to pressure over time, or other stuff like that. But, at the very least, I am unfamiliar with scum bugs, and I want to know what his normal reaction to pressure as scum is. As town, he got very angry in Paranoia, and it's not happening here. So it's likely he's scum, but I'm still slightly hung up on this, and seeing as my mayoral campaign hinges on lynching scum, I don't want to accidentally mislynch. Therefore, would rather go with crossfire atm. | ||
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The two look different. I remember stutters posting infrequently that game, but his posts contained questions, thoughts on the mayoral campaigns, ideas of what he was looking for in a mayor. So yes, I would say that the two games are different. He has a kenpachi-esque post here, indicating perhaps that he is kenpachi, but he has neither purely lurked or purely trolled, his other posts feel more fluffy than kenpachi-y, and much much more fluffy than in LIX. | ||
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On March 12 2013 00:58 marvellosity wrote: By the way, I don't disagree with you about slOosh. I really really want him to get his ass back in this thread. I don't really see how you could  On March 12 2013 00:53 marvellosity wrote: btw austin, how exactly would I go about voting you for mayor? ^^ Mayor: austinmcc a vote for austinmcc is a vote for austinmcc | ||
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On March 12 2013 01:03 Oatsmaster wrote: I think you are missing some words/a word?Wait wtf, how has BUGS DONE ANYTHING IN THIS GAME. Like how are you seeing scum bugs? Every other weird poster has been somewhat useful. even slOosh has been more useful than Bugs. Town bugs is useful. This bugs in not, and it bugs me. | ||
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On March 12 2013 01:02 marvellosity wrote: This is true.you know very well we can disagree about absolutely everything  | ||
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On March 12 2013 01:03 Oatsmaster wrote: Wait wtf, how has BUGS DONE ANYTHING IN THIS GAME. Like how are you seeing scum bugs? Every other weird poster has been somewhat useful. even slOosh has been more useful than Bugs. Town bugs is useful. This bugs in not, and it bugs me. You seem to be applying for a position on my Panel. However, I am not convinced that you are a loyal constituent. Whereas other constituents have analyzed specific posts, specific lines, here is what you have done: On March 11 2013 13:34 Oatsmaster wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: wherebugsgo WBG, can you start playing the game now that the 'rat' has died? Or are you intent on doing NOTHING? On March 11 2013 22:45 Oatsmaster wrote: VE VOTE FOR EVERYBODY!!!!!! I dont see why WBG doesnt have like 15 votes on him. How is he town"? On March 12 2013 01:03 Oatsmaster wrote: Wait wtf, how has BUGS DONE ANYTHING IN THIS GAME. Like how are you seeing scum bugs? Every other weird poster has been somewhat useful. even slOosh has been more useful than Bugs. Town bugs is useful. This bugs in not, and it bugs me. Quite the case, quite the analysis. You have made a couple D1 cases. You have accused a bunch of other people of not scumhunting, or doing this or that little thing. However, despite bouncing your vote around all over the place, you have it resting on a guy that you aren't saying much about. I think I like that you are attempting to sling mud at every possible person who could oppose me for mayor, but yet...there seems to be no method to your slinging. | ||
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I will continue to find people scummy who just disregard cryptic posts as useless. There are, at the very least, some thoughts in wbg's posts. See marv 's post above. See my post in response to snb yesterday, bugs had a somewhat neat post on how scum would be looking for targets, and why kurumi fit that bill. wbg looks scummy. I don't know how scum wbg responds to pressure, and if this is how he does so, then he should hang. But you are flinging mud everywhere, either to try and be useful OR to try and be active/point to your suspicions later when we lynch scum. Your mud has no weight behind it though. It is very thin, mostly water. It's pretty clear from other posts that you can read wbg's posts and get something out of them, his filter isn't entirely devoid of content. | ||
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On March 12 2013 01:25 Oatsmaster wrote: You are scummy. To the extent that you are a concerned citizen, my office has already released a memorandum on my lynch choices.So do you think Im scummy or not? Im confused at this point. If not me, then who is your top scum read. Crossfire (wbg) slOosh/stutters you Stutters has moved up after looking at his past game. wbg has moved up as he continues to be silent/mostly silent, both in the face of people saying he's scum and the people saying he's scum for particular reasons. slOosh remains slOoshy. In the past, I have poorly judged whether or not you were an upstanding citizen. You do not appear to be upstanding this game, but I have been wrong before. I'm currently not inclined to lynch you today over those others. | ||
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On March 12 2013 01:48 Promethelax wrote: The thing that I saw was thisMr mcc you award me a plaque but I give it back I wants accolades only from friends your posting is feeling pretend why is it I find you a hack? Now I ask you to tell me what is it that you see that makes bugsgo a friend not a foe how can that be? On March 11 2013 01:44 wherebugsgo wrote: bugs is attacking kurumi. With this post, bugs doesn't just go after a post, or a specific thing kurumi did, bugs discusses how he thinks mafia would be acting during that point in the day, and *I think* attributes those actions to kurumi. The rat does not come in twos or threes or even fours at the break of dawn. The rat comes alone, at first. It sniffs the air, searching, sniveling, and scampering. The rat's home is the very ground that it defiles. The dirt is ruined by its stench, its excrement black with the harbingers of pestilence. In the morning search for food, the rat seeks the weak and the helpless-the young and crawling, the old and feeble. The true time of the rat is night. For it is only then when the rat may bring his brother and sister, mother and father, to feast. The rat seeks the company of the gnawing, groveling vermin that use the innocent earth for their maligned purposes. This particular rat hails from the east. For now, he is alone. That is something I find townie (except for future times when marv does it). The way he adds that post in, rather than just hammering at the easy "two people playing like chez" bait, and instead tried to explain why Kurumi's reads/actions fit with a mafia mindset, made me think he wasn't just faking a suspicion and acting he part, he was actively thinking that Kurumi was scum. In light of things since then...he has looked worse and worse. Continuing to want kurumi gone after the host posts that kurumi was town, no bueno. Disappearing, no bueno, when I've seen town WBG get pissed over being mislynched early. All we've really seen is WBG returning to say that he feared kurumi, who a mod stated was town, would not be town later, due to Kurumi's talking about that. On March 12 2013 02:02 yamato77 wrote: I don't know about others, but I'm not concerned about the delay between check and kill. I'm concerned about the delay between check and you mentioning that, you know, you'd just shot a townie. And you mentioning it in a slightly oblique/trolly manner.The delay for my role was built in. On March 12 2013 00:37 austinmcc wrote: So why not let people know "oops, shot a townie" and give your reasoning earlier?At 6:59 TL time, you said you'd solve the Kurumi problem. 7:06 Kita announces Kurumi town. Half the game calls you out for making a poor choice with your power. At 8:14, you say pro GF snipe. If you knew Kurumi was going to die, why did you wait so long to say so? Why didn't you respond to complaints about your use of your power earlier? | ||
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Crossfire continues to be scum, but he's not actively dicking up the thread at this point. Seems like he's decided to lurk and not be so noticeable. The hopefully-soon-to-be-mayor would like to form a concerned citizens' council/neighborhood watch organization. The goal of this organization should be to look into what BC is doing. Specifically, he has called out a number of players for not participating. And he is right to call them out. But...that is the vast majority of his filter. His scumhunting has been limited to "here's a list of lurky folks, one or more of them is probably scum." That's not really scumhunting. Says oats soft-claimed scum, nothing further about oats. Just continued sniping at absent players. I do not like this. I expect more from BC, especially where he posts On March 06 2013 11:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: weekend works less well for me but thats because im busy all day friday and saturday. Starts sunday I am good. If you can find a lot of substantive activity from him on Sunday, let me know. If you can find a lot of substantive activity from him Monday, let me know. Otherwise, citizens, please keep watch over BC. Do not let his absence pass you by. He knows how to play this game, and he has been content to drop the occasional comment about ver/foolishness/slOosh, and then discuss who he wants to lynch from that list. Scummy. | ||
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On March 12 2013 04:16 Stutters695 wrote: So you feel sure that WBG is scum? Yeah. The manner in which he's returned has me all the way off the fence. | ||
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On March 12 2013 02:56 Stutters695 wrote: Here you pick a swath of folks who are being talked of, and yeah, they're scummy. But that's been mentioned. You were scummy on cross over the rest, but didn't vote. You thought we could get "value" out of bugs, with no explanation of what that means. Bugs I don't know. I've never seen him play like this but his posts are really fucking dense (I'm assuming this is role related) and don't really say much. From my experiences with him (LIX and YANMM) I was expecting a tunneled push on someone and calling anyone who disagreed bad. I assumed he's good enough though that his scumplay wouldn't be this different. If anyone has a suggestion on a couple of his scumgames I'd love to check them. He seems like a good lynch but I'd pick cross over him. Sloosh I've never played with period but his few posts are so safe it's unreal. If he's wrong about Yamato he's fine because it still makes sense to lynch and if he's right he gets huge town cred for nothing. I saw someone said this is what he does so I wouldn't be adverse to a policy lynch or vig shot. I don't think either are as sure as Crossfire but I'd definitely go Sloosh if people can't be convinced of Cross. Bugs I think we can definitely get something if value out of. Now you're asking about my feelings on bugs and taking a stance on yamato. I read your LIX filter. Where are your thoughts? What are your feelings on me for mayor, or having a mayor? Why is your vote on nobody, and where is your head at on bugs? | ||
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On March 12 2013 04:27 wherebugsgo wrote: BC doesn't seem to want to talk about anything that isn't Foolishness/ver/slOosh. Why petition him?oh bloody one, I would like to know who you would like me to maul. | ||
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On March 12 2013 04:28 cDgCorazon wrote: I do not know how many votes, only that I feel compelled to run for office. I must do so.@Austin: How many electoral votes do you need to be elected? If elected, what is your long-term plan for this town? Long-term plan is simple, win the game. I want to lynch WBG today, hopefully get some vig shots into our useless players/lurkers/folks hiding only behind personalities (last one reads "Crossfire"). Mid-term, I don't think we can do anything other than figuring out which currently-useless vets are to be trusted, and which aren't. Depending on their activity and how that goes, that could possibly take us into D3. We have a lot of big names. We have a lot of nothing. I expect there will be some activity and some "game-solving," and discussion will naturally turn towards figuring out what to trust there. Long long-term, I want to have lynched all the scum so I can start speculating wildly about third parties and stupid crap like that. However, I will attempt to hold that in until later. | ||
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On March 12 2013 04:41 Stutters695 wrote: Cross is scum but is not messing with the thread. Bugs is scum and is messing with the thread, and more importantly, the thread is preoccupied with him (and a couple others).That post was a direct response to Marv after I claimed Kenpachi, I just dropped my vote on Cross. I want to know if you think Bugs is a surefire hit and if not why you would vote him over Cross when you say "cross continues to be scum." Your responses will determine what I think of you as a mayor, in general I'm not a fan of mayors because unless they hit scum they're blatant mislynch bait, but you can't really know. I said my thoughts on bugs, I think Crossfire is 100% scum because of that I'd rather wait and see with Bugs but his play definitely isn't up to what I expect from him. I would back a Bugs lynch if I can't convince town of a crossfire lynch,since his return I really haven't seen the town traits I've seen from his previous games. I would rather lynch the distraction today. Crossfire can be vigged or something hopefully. But between the two, the thread is going to be better and more productive for town if we get rid of bugs now and don't have him around overnight. There is a LOT going on, and I'd rather take care of the scum that is tying up a lot of town's thoughts. | ||
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Do you use your check on yamato tonight? (note: I don't put anybody on a police force. This is hypothetical, just less dumb than my normal hypotheticals) | ||
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On March 12 2013 04:59 Vivax wrote: Ymmv, but Yamato looked super scummy in LIX to me. Don't remeber if it was for being inconsistent and jumping, but I remember being convinced he was scum and that being one of the things I was horribly wrong with, because there was something he did that made him town.Can't remember yamato being inconsistent and jumpy in LIX he basically tunneled me throughout the game. | ||
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On March 12 2013 05:05 cDgCorazon wrote: Thank you. I would like to expand on this: What executive powers do you have that will benefit the town? Are you aware of the powers the office of the mayor holds? I'm considering making you mayor, I just want to know what you are going to be able to do for me. Not aware. I know that I am compelled to run. | ||
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On March 12 2013 05:12 Vivax wrote: I am happy that you are not full-on trolling. But you're not reading the thread if you think bugs is just a "policy lynch." We don't talk about townreads we talk about lynching deadline is closing in and the europeans among us won't be there. If you want to lynch me marv make your case I would love to see it, "Vivax is scum cause of a slight townread on player when asked and doesn't want to talk about it and bsbsbsbs". Bad marv = scummarv. Anyway I want to lynch yamato and if he flips red we will have a nice bunch of other people to lynch. Other than yamato Corazon posted some weird stuff and the rest is in my filter. Bugs as policy lynch if he doesn't change his play and cause I hate Chezinu. Others I'm not sure on. ##Vote yamato77 | ||
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He is shot and dies. He is not shot. I'm currently expecting the second, and this seems like bugs jumping back into the thread to spread more nonsense. I had entirely forgotten about prplhz, I guess everyone had, but a pretend shot makes for a lovely distraction from everything else. | ||
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On March 12 2013 05:31 supersoft wrote: if this shot was real and prplhz is town, you have to die. You have to. Oh my god. if ANYTHING other than a real shot on a scum prplhz, he's got to die. If the shot is fake, then bugs is just wasting the thread's time. | ||
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See previous stuff on bugs coming back to the thread? If it's a fake shot, this is just more of him wasting our time, like he was doing to anyone who responded to his iamperfection stuff. | ||
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On March 12 2013 06:55 Vivax wrote: Just so I can get this straight.Oh are we finding scum by looking at contribution/post ratio lately? I think Bugs contributed by faking that shot on prplhz and showing us his lurky nature so that's something. Ver didn't even read his role PM or post after saying that so yeah  Bugs contributed to the game by faking the shot on prplhz? On March 12 2013 05:06 marvellosity wrote: I'd love to lynch bugs but I'm not convinced how wise it is. Vivax has just shot way up in my lynch-dar, along with Crossfire for the reasons I'm attacking Vivax over. prplhz, seemingly someone only I've mentioned at all, has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. He could well be a good lynch. Corazon maybe I could give another day to see if he un-retards himself. He's at least moderately active. On March 12 2013 05:09 wherebugsgo wrote: the dog forgot that the discolored one was playing in this game. the dog can confidently say that the dog is not a rat, however. The dog is less sure that the imperfect one is anything but a chicken. Perhaps the discolored one should be stamped out instead. ##unvote ##vote prplhz On March 12 2013 05:10 wherebugsgo wrote: ##shoot prplhz If you are trying to say bugs contributed by bringing prplhz back to thread's attention, then you are incorrect. See timestamps. He did fake a shot, but he wasn't the one who brought prplhz up. So...I'm not liking your comments on bugs here. Sort of a bad sideways defense. Me no likey. | ||
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On March 12 2013 07:48 Vivax wrote: Reading is good. I'll save you the trouble of checking my filter. I think he's scum. Nah it's not a defence just my opinion to why he contributed more than others, never opposed his lynch just gave it another priority. Why don't you like the "defence" you think he's scum or town? I don't like your "defence" because defense is spelled with an s. Your "another priority" was giving a reason why bugs shouldn't be the lynch. You may not be saying "he's super townie," but he's on the chopping block and you're giving a reason for him not to be there. But the reason itself is bad, imo, because it LOOKS like you think he contributed something he didn't. Let alone that who contributed what =/= scumminess, and using that as your sole metric to make reads is an awful idea. But the fact that you didn't like him as a lynch previously because he'd "contributed," when in fact he wasn't the one to bring prplhz up, and all he did with prplhz was fake a shot...I fail to see how trolling is contributing. | ||
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I am not mayor. Boo. Vivax and marv are shitting up the thread. Boo. Vivax, you looked bad yesterday, but in a way that made me feel townie on you. I'm used to seeing you take crap on D1 as town, and it reminded me of games where that's happened. But all this crap with you and foolishness and marv is ridiculous. I'm going to throw away the bit where you didn't read posts, apparently, but made reads anyway. The part where you did not read posts, from a guy who doesn't have a lot of posts, but made reads anyway. One more time. The part of your read on Foolishness, the guy who hasn't been tremendously active, where you based your read on what you thought his posts might have said, but who cares because you don't need to read them. Instead, what is this? On March 12 2013 22:52 Vivax wrote: Within the last 5-10 pages, you (see above) based your read on Foolishness off what you thought his posts might have said. And now you're doing the same friggin thing. "I think Foolishness's initial post was this" when Foolishness saidWell I think Foolish' initial post was a way of fishing for reactions since I'm subject to mislynches and scum pushing me and townies failing to read me, he had basically given zero reasoning for doing what he did and it lured two suspicious sheeps: VE and Oats quickly. On March 12 2013 16:13 Foolishness wrote: I was gone and made an accusation based on what I skimmed through the thread at the time. Then when I came back to push the case further I realized I was wrong when I analyzed him. Which should be obvious given that I gave the proof. Foolishness - "I skimmed the thread and made an accusation that I realized was wrong when I went back and looked." Vivax - "I think Foolishness was trying to fish for reactions and he caught these two people." You always look scummy, but this is just straight out making stuff up and not listening to reason when you're clearly wrong. I remember you playing/looking scummy as town, but not outright just doing stuff like this. Stuck believing that this is real scumminess from you, and not the way you look as town. On March 12 2013 22:57 Vivax wrote: It's pretty scummy you are willing to risk one of the strongest town players to get NKd without even knowing what yamato's or my alignment is (and thus the validity of Foolishness' reads). This is crap. In Bureaucracy, Foolishness was afk for a while, got crap for not making any cases or doing anything, came back and made a big case on Bill Murray, and throughout his time alive added some minor suspicions on BH and Palmar. BH and Palmar were both mafia, BM wasn't. Also, Foolishness was mafia. Basically, out of his mafia reads, 2/3 were right, and he was the head of the whole mafia. His alignment should absolutely not be predicated on whether his reads are good or not. | ||
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It seems like every time you think someone who is well-respected for scumhunting is out to get you, you decide they're scum. I decide you're being an idiot and overreacting. Then palmar flips scum in ... Rock Band? And Foolishness flips scum in Parallel. So, you've got the track record here. Do you actually think this is a strategy that would be continued? I don't see why, especially as it didn't work well for Foolishness before, he would do the same thing 2 months later. | ||
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On March 12 2013 23:22 marvellosity wrote: I don't really have a reason. Best I can chalk it up to is the same thing as with Vivax, a hastily made accusation, but that doesn't do anything because then Foolishness's participation in this game amounts to two accusations that were crappy. One he takes back, one is shown to rest on nonsense.he did it twice. He did it in Bureaucracy, and he did it in Parallels. Now he's doing it here with a lie thrown in for good measure. What else can I say? That he's town and calling me mafia based on a total lie? For what reason? But I don't see a reason behind the other side. If he's mafia, why call you mafia based on a lie? Why do the same thing he's done, and something that you commented on in Parallel. You have not been lynched in either game based on his accusations. I can understand someone being less wordy, more one-linery, whatever when mafia as opposed to town, but someone calling out the same player every game he's mafia being a tell? That's ridiculous. The only thing that even remotely makes sense to me is that you're both mafia and this is easy cover. Foolishness calls you out like he normal does when he's mafia and you're town. He gets lynched or vigged or something. You now point to your past games, he always does that when he's mafia and I'm town. Scum Foolishness knowing he can't stay alive forever, chooses to get oddly bussed for you. That's STILL ridiculous. But it's the only thing even remotely sensible that I can find. Which then means that something is wrong, because you/Foolish/Vivax can't be doing whatever you're doing and ALL be mafia. | ||
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On March 12 2013 23:25 Oatsmaster wrote: I don't know wtf makes him town.So foolishness is town cause once bitten, twice shy. Nothing else makes him town? I don't like his play here, but I've only ever played with him when he was scum. I thought his suspicion on marv in Parallel was odd, but not scummy, and he turned out to be scum. In bureaucracy he didn't do oodles, but 2/3 of his primary reads were correct, when I skim that game back over, and he turned out to be scum. So...things I would normally take as townie ended with him being scum. I think I'm just influenced by the fact I've only played games with him where he's scum. But something ain't right with this Foolishness/marv/vivax bit. Or, maybe better put, something is scummy and something else is just dumb here. Unlikely to all be an elaborate show, unlikely to all be silliness. | ||
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On March 12 2013 23:38 yamato77 wrote: I am going to look elsewhere, and maybe I'm overthinking, but their whole little spat is just a mess.Austin, you're over-thinking the situation and applying too many connections to this. It's quite simple. Foolishness is playing like mafia, whether he lied about his read on Marv or not, or whatever it is that Marv is spewing on about. His about turn on Vivax is ridiculous and completely in line with mafia motivations if Vivax is also scum with Foolish. Since then they have both hard defended each other. Foolish and his mates have a history of doing this, a la Parallel World with BH/Foolish. It's like I'm reading a mash-up of LVIII/Parallel right now, to be honest. Scum Foolish/Vivax/Super all doing stupid things and covering Foolish up with the "don't lynch Foolish d1 cuz he's good". Lynch them. However, for someone cautioning against drawing connections, you're drawing a LOT of connections yourself. Knock it off, let's play a game. I am going to pick one not-overly-vocal non-newbie non-supervet player. You're going to give me your read on that person, and also berate them for not being more active. Then you're going to ask me about one of the same folks. strongandbig, go | ||
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On March 13 2013 00:11 yamato77 wrote: SNB is obvitown. ... Now it's your turn. Give me Corazon. Not scum. Relatively new player, jumps in with a post that is playful and very visible. (I'm the king of hears, picture, jokes about not wanting people to be scum, jokes about killing folks, etc.) On March 10 2013 15:58 cDgCorazon wrote: It's 3 hours into the game, so I'm just going to disregard your vote for now. It's stupid anyways. Again, very open/brash. Tried to read some of wbg's posts and was one of the few people concerned about me as mayor, probably the most vocal in asking me questions about it. Both of those show that cora is trying to understand the game, in my mind. That's a townie quality to me. Very tunnel-y on Yamato. I have only read one game of corazon's, a newbie that I coached, and he was somewhat tunnel-y there, in terms of making reads and being set in them. Not really a tell either way for me, imo. However, he's putting a lot of effort into tunneling Yamato. If he's just looking to look active, he's doing it, but this reads more like he's actively pursuing this. (1) He defends why he stays on yamato rather than switching to oats, after saying he liked snb's case on oats and taking heat for that (sticks to his guns/case, does not appear overly worried about suspicion on him), (2) interpresed with responding to people about oats, updates his case on yamato. I read a lot of his posts concerning (1) above as townie. I don't like how much he's tunneling yamato, he's blind to other things happening. I don't love how much he likes snb's case, when I felt like it was a good starting point but was actually kind of weak overall (oats going after "easy targets" during the beginning of the game, and skipping some of oats's accusations).+ Show Spoiler + On March 11 2013 06:57 cDgCorazon wrote: townieI'm not pushing Oats because I am pushing my own read (Yamato). Just because SnB's case is good doesn't give us an excuse to sit around for 24+ hours and do nothing. I've already said why Yamato is scummy and now I'm voting for him. It's pretty simple. On March 11 2013 23:19 cDgCorazon wrote: I said I liked the case. You are looking way too much into that fact and you're just trying to shit up the thread. concern over shitting up the thread. While cora and marv WERE somewhat shitting up the thread, actively calling someone out for that while you're helping is NOT a good way of hiding that if you're scum. Calls attention to something you're doing that is scummy, not a good scum play, therefore more likely town play. Biggest dislike in the filter was this post, but mainly because it's subpar for town, not because it's scummy: On March 11 2013 23:46 cDgCorazon wrote: There are times when it feels like cora ... capitulates to marv? Like cora clearly wants to lynch yamato, clearly thinks he has reason to lynch yamato over oats or anyone else. But marv keeps hammering on cora and cora comes back with this, which I...dislike. Here, cora breaks out of the yamato tunnel somewhat, but not really. Minor comments on hiro, minor comments on acro, both of which could be useful if cora would flesh out his thoughts a little more. This is where, despite me thinking that towncora can tunnel like he was doing, I dont' like cora's play, because this is a clear opportunity to do something OTHER than tunnel, and he's just half-heartedly taking advantage of it. I have to go but I can't say much so: Hiro is the same when it comes to going after easy targets Hiro has not given much advice so I can't say anything about #2 However, their play is slightly similar. A big lack of thread presence and a lack of scum hunting. Hiro would be someone else I would be ok with lynching after Yamato. (That brings the list of people to Oats, Hiro, and Acro-who hasn't contributed much besides overreacting to everything). Overall conclusion: Townie. Starts out playful/open, is looking to understand the game, and I've seen him be somewhat tunnel-y as town. Could be more useful, SHOULD be more useful, needs to knock it off with the tunnel. your turn again: Acrofales | ||
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On March 13 2013 00:34 Vivax wrote: It's N1. D2 we get a lynch. Honest, answer, do you feel that "Strong player who has claimed parity cop is not dead by D2" should = lynch that player D2.Look, marv claimed cop and is the guy to be killed super early as town so it's not WIFOM if I say that he's likely scum if he gets neither RB'd nor killed. If you're scum you don't say "Let's keep this guy alive so we push for his lynch for staying alive", you say "let's kill this guy cause he's a fucking dangerous townie". Any strong player dying early as town is proof for this statement else they could keep them alive to push them later right? If you don't, then it's not a matter than needs discussing right now. We can policy-lynch marv later. If so, you need to explain to me why Marv is the first strong-player policy lynch, and not Foolishness/Ver/someone else AND you need to explain why we should be policy lynching by D2. That basically starts a precedent of us ONLY policy lynching this game, which is ridiculous. Furthermore, we can assume marv is telling the truth, but we don't know that he's a cop, although it seems like he's also claiming to be VE, in which case compulsive, truthful claiming would make some sense as a role. | ||
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On March 13 2013 00:42 yamato77 wrote: I will read that later today and revise. I am working off of the newbie game I coached, and have not read duel. I want to argue with you on Cora a moment because I disagree with how you characterize the early parts of his post. His early posting is roleplaying, and it feels stiff to me. There is something markedly different about his attack on me this game and his attack on me night zero of Duel that makes me uneasy. I suggest you read the early part of his filter this game and that game and come away with a better understanding of him. Also, it makes the fact that he is unwilling to go away from me even more concerning. In duel, he was much more active with other reads while maintaining his read on me than he is here. I have him leaning scum in my books, because of this meta distinction. | ||
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On March 13 2013 00:44 Mocsta wrote: The town cora that I'm familiar with is consistent with what I've seen. I will read duel and see if that changes anything. I think you're overdoing it with some of your points in that post.(1) I am going to bed (2) Austin, thanks for a waste of a read on Corazon. You got me all excited for accepting yamato challenge on corazon. I noticed you did not reference a single issues I raised to corazon.. in particular his image-centric agenda. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400204¤tpage=78#1544 In fairness, he hasn't replied to this case. So my question to you: Do you think his clear ad-hominem approach to the game, is still indicative of the townie Corazon you think you are familiar with? Your point (1) - cora says not to accuse him of not scumhunting. You accuse him of calling attention to the fact that him scumhunted to mean he's concerned about his image and that he's trying to set himself up as "confirmed town." I read that post as "You say I'm not scumhunting, but I have been." I focus less on the "first one" and more on what he's responding to. Your point (2) calls out cora for If you really did want to push your scum read. you could have said simply which is pretty much what I read 1/2 his filter as saying. "I like the SnB case on oats, but I think yam is scummier. Im sticking with him" I don't think his focus has been on the right areas of the game, as of yet. But I do think that the way he's played has made him look townie. I'll return to this after reading duel, but right now I'm going to get some work done and I'll come back to all this later. | ||
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If he's town, he did a horrible job of communicating what was actually happening. But the text of that line is not part of his scummy play or poor communication, it was a throwback to a Bang Bang post, right? | ||
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On March 13 2013 01:02 austinmcc wrote: Didn't we establish that the pro GF snipe line was roleplaying? If he's town, he did a horrible job of communicating what was actually happening. But the text of that line is not part of his scummy play or poor communication, it was a throwback to a Bang Bang post, right? Yes, me, it does appear to be roleplaying On June 16 2012 17:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: After the game I'll tell you what you should have done differently supersoft. ##Shoot: Supersoft Ya'll ready for a pro gf snipe? | ||
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On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote: It's not a "modconfirmed DT check"What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? it's a "modconfirmed DT check that also kills the person." Modconfirming a townie doesn't seem like a big downer for town when that person is also guaranteed to die. | ||
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On March 13 2013 01:53 strongandbig wrote: Not as extreme as bugs's, but I could see there being a lot of hidden minor bits.do people agree that all the roles probably have hidden powers like the two who just died did? I' | ||
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On March 13 2013 02:00 Vivax wrote: Eh, unless there's any reason to believe that cora's opinions have changed, you're again assuming something that you have no basis for.Wow you're using changing opinions on how to play the game as argument against a player who just started playing mafia. Town marv isn't this bad. I actually like that point, and now REALLY need to read duel. | ||
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I checked Personality 1 because I thought there'd been a role that had to tunnel someone and only post on them. Didn't find it, but maybe skipped over. Is there anyone known for just fighting with MZ every game they're in? I agree with slOosh being a futureproblem, but his activity being ONLY to tunnel made me think that perhaps it's a personality limitation, despite most personalities in this game not coming with the same extreme limitations that they came with in 1. Couldn't find a particular role, but if there's a player known for fighting with MZ, or a player known just for tunneling, it's a possible explanation (that doesn't say anything about his alignment ) | ||
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On March 13 2013 03:26 marvellosity wrote: no, I don't have an explanation for it, except that the above is proof that it is amusing | ||
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On March 13 2013 04:11 VisceraEyes wrote: I agree with this conclusion, but came at it from another angle. I know gaming "balance" isn't the best, but Foolishness as scum makes Ver as town more likely imo.I think Ver is lying about not reading his role. That is an active decision to play against your win con, and Ver doesn't strike me as that sort of player from my limited experience with him. He also doesn't strike me as the type of scum player who would draw attention to himself by lying in such a manner. Conversely, Ver strikes me as EXACTLY the kind of town player who would lie about reading his Role PM. Ver should be considered town Imo. Whatever that's worth. BC just got mentioned again as well, and I don't like how most of what he did D1 was just comment on Foolishness/Ver/slOosh being absent, then see himself out. His filter is larger than I remembered, but says as much or less than I remember. I'll follow up more on this later, but Foolishness as scum + BC looking scummy have me townie on Ver for the time being. 1-2 mafia in that group 2-3 mafia in the people that have been around longer than me but aren't super-vets (AND HALF OF WHOM ARE NEAR INVISIBLE THIS GAME) 0-2 mafia in newer folks | ||
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On March 13 2013 04:20 Acrofales wrote: Unless you've seen yamato's PM, you don't know if it's anonymous. Fine. I see no reason why scum would use an anonymous dayvig shot to take out Kurumi, when they could use it on any one of the high profile targets. I definitely see no reason why scum would CLAIM their anonymous dayvig shot after using it, especially if the only way it gets outed is if it is first confirmed to hit a townie. Even if you think the "balance" reason is not valid, the way it was used is completely stupid for scum. Scum doesn't shoot scumspect townies who are martyring themselves and shitting up the thread. They definitely don't announce that they are doing that: they know that player is a townie. There was no ##Shoot: Kurumi, but the "pro GF snipe" was a pretty clear reference to MZ's shot. It wasn't like we were confused as to who had shot once it happened. | ||
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On March 13 2013 04:27 marvellosity wrote: Perhaps you don't have to claim to be checking only your targets?i know, it's actually an extremely dull way for the role to work because I can't even get at all creative with it. | ||
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On March 13 2013 04:34 Acrofales wrote: The check, yeah. But there was a long delay before the shot. And in the intervening time, yamato posted his pro GF snipe. Kitaman's announcements only announced MZ, not that it was Yamato as MZ. It was therefore anonymous (there were no actions in the thread or vote thread). I agree with poor choice, but everyone seems to be using different terminology to describe what happened and it's no good. We do not know whether it was anonymous or not. We can be more sure the check/announcement was anonymous, but there's a possibility the shot was triggered by the pro GF snipe comment. Nitpicky, but you're assuming something we don't know. | ||
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On March 13 2013 04:49 prplhz wrote: I actually agree. Had not gone diving as much, but I remember him as being much more vocal and in charge in LVII.I think that BloodyC0bbler is scum. ... Anyway, I really think that BloodyC0bbler is scum. How you guys feel about it? That was the game where Mattchew claimed self-aware miller when millers weren't self-aware, but BC was still active for the rest of the day despite of having a guaranteed scum D1. He wasn't just active in posting, he was active in continuing to make reads, and explaining them relatively well. That D1 had a lot of wonkiness, and there are a lot of posts where he just sets the record straight and shows exactly why he's thinking what he thinks/reacting how he reacts. In this game, he's so focused on Foolishness/Ver/slOosh, and then at the end of the cycle on bugs/yamato. But it's not so much the limited topics on which he decided to post, it's his posts on anything else that I dislike most of all. On March 11 2013 12:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: This just in, Oats softclaimed scum. This exchange was markedly different from LVII exchanges On September 05 2012 07:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Well if he thinks your scum, hes going to ignore your posts against him, or at least treat them with extreme bias. Notice he responds to someone else when they poke at his case and even makes mention of asking if someone else has an issue (grush I believe). What you or I perceive as bad doesn't mean the person who makes the case does. Getting caught up in the heat of the moment or when you are so sure you are right leads you to do in some cases dumb things as town. Mafia making these mistakes this early is possible as well but seems pretty dumb to do given the current day events. I honestly need him to post more before I can be assured of his guilt as well townies do make bad cases. On September 05 2012 07:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Well if he thinks your scum, hes going to ignore your posts against him, or at least treat them with extreme bias. Notice he responds to someone else when they poke at his case and even makes mention of asking if someone else has an issue (grush I believe). What you or I perceive as bad doesn't mean the person who makes the case does. Getting caught up in the heat of the moment or when you are so sure you are right leads you to do in some cases dumb things as town. Mafia making these mistakes this early is possible as well but seems pretty dumb to do given the current day events. I honestly need him to post more before I can be assured of his guilt as well townies do make bad cases. On September 05 2012 09:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Activity might be due to work/commitments/whatever. But the tone of his posts, and the way that he responded to questions like Oats's...that's a different matter. Plenty of other examples of helpful/explainy BC in that filter, he spent all day either doing that routine or chatting with DrH and BM.Think of it this way. It was a question never answered by Palmar in thread. Now, most people (even if self aware miller) tend to not claim as even if they do claim people tend to not take them seriously unless a group of them does it. Now, when one person claims, you can gauge the towns reaction and then to prove that millers are self aware the scum team slowly "claims". Basically you can have an entire team or 2-3 people out themselves in this manner and be given a full get out of lynch free card should the people they visit die for a night or two. This may not seem to be much but it means later on in the game people start arguing about if the claims are legit, are only some of them legit, etc.... It makes no sense for town to fakeclaim but in an setup that was so ambiguous it would be a brilliant move if you could pull it off. My only frustration is I could have potentially snagged more than just him had I waited longer before calling him out. | ||
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On March 13 2013 06:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Themed games don't equal normal. And the less time thing flies with me, I care more about what you did post than how much of it there was.Also the case on me by prpl makes me laugh. Try harder mr try hard. Austin also super baddy. Why would bc change his posting style in a game with altered personalities. Likely because hes playing his personality. Themed games dont equal normal. Nor does the fact I have less time now to actively play. However good try captain try hard 2. But I don't know who your personality is, nor do I know how hard you're roleplaying as that person. "It's a personality game and I might be acting out of the part of some unknown person" is not as airtight an explanation as you're thinking. You might be roleplaying. You might be scum. Either way, your play this game looks scummy. | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:14 strongandbig wrote: I hope you and marv didn't both leak information ...looking scummy is part roleplaying his personality It might be part of him roleplaying his personality. It might be an excuse. I don't know either way. | ||
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On March 13 2013 09:33 Foolishness wrote: Raise your hand if you're confused by this.Do people still want to kill crossfire? I don't particularly see him caring whether or not town wants to kill some guy that he has stated he doesn't have the strongest read on. If he's scum, this is going to be some kind of distraction or nonsense, because we've only recently stopped discussing other nonsense. Or perhaps it's a setup to him "vigging" crossfire. That would be absolute balls, because I don't think anyone is going to accept that he has nearly no reads of his own, yet vigs a guy he's not entirely sure on because thread wants it? Alternative is it's some kind of town thing going on. Which still doesn't make any sense. WHAT IS THIS POST? | ||
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BC's "you guys so bad, I'm scummy cuz of my personality that you guys don't know about" is crap. He should know it's crap. Marv, may have been you, but someone in a PM or obs or postgame of themed game mentioned it being hard for established scumhunters to play scum and not be outed. This feels like that. BC gets to be scummy for a day, and his response/defense is to blame it on his personality, which we don't know and which he knows we don't know. End result? Perhaps it buys him a day or two. That's crap. Just an easy way to delay being outed by blaming on information that, oh my, nobody else happens to have. There's a group of experienced players who are all just...congealing together. risk.nuke, HiroPro, prplhz, snb, slOosh, Acro. With each of those people, just off the top of my head, I can think of 0-2 things that they've done. A particular post, a particular case, but that's it. If I'm not around, someone else needs to poke this group HARD. I've been growing more wtf-ey with slOosh, because while he was entirely inactive in PU like he is here, he was somewhat active and was all scheme-y in bureaucracy. Here, he's entirely inactive and doesn't have the benefit of me having checked him as "town." So...I'm stuck thinking it's some dumb roleplaying or rl issues, and not scumminess? Don't love the conclusion, but frankly that whole group of people needs to take some stances tomorrow, differentiate themselves, and we can see who rises up and who sits at the bottom of the glass looking scummy. Still haven't read Duel mafia. But multiple people picked out multiple inconsistencies between Cora's play there and here. I'm assuming you're not all scum laying some elaborate trap to kill Cora, so I'll assume his play is funky and I have to throw part of my read out the window. But still, look at his entrance posts. Those are carefree and silly. Those are not mafia posts. Look at him trying to figure out bugs and my mayoral campaign. Those are trying to solve the game. Not mafia posts. Cora town. Vivax was scumVivax earlier. He was not actively destroying the thread and when he was here, was kind of shitty/weird, but relying on just...lies/assumptions/not reading. More recent Vivax has been townVivax - dicking around with marv, being insistent that he's right about ridiculous things and trying to get everyone riled up about the ridiculous ideas that he wants to push. That's what I was getting at earlier with being used to him being scummy as town, but that he wasn't being scummy in the right way. It felt off, like he was trying to be scummy but forcing it. After getting called out on it, ta da! Miraculously, scummy townVivax shows back up. That change means Vivax probably scum. Anyone who says vivax is scum cuz he's scummy is being dumb and not looking at him properly. He's scum cuz he's the wrong kind of scummy, as stupid as that sounds. It's forced, it's based on not reading/lying, rather than just shitting up thread. I think marv is town, so he's probably scum too. | ||
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On March 13 2013 11:25 slOosh wrote: If we're still alive, yes. But tomorrow. Too late for me tonight.austin do you want to play that game you played with yamato with me? Actually, I want to play that game more with yamato. I think I only got one read out of him, and fooking everyone should be playing that game with the group of players that you're in. | ||
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On March 13 2013 11:30 Mocsta wrote: Read closer. I bet you find more than just a list.This reads like a big post of nothing. You just saying here is a list some scum here. If you're around Day2, i want to see you apply some god-damn pressure. I will give you credit though: you applying the politican personality full steam... | ||
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On March 13 2013 11:38 Mocsta wrote: I'm actually gonna get away from the comp and sleep, but my read on Cora isn't entirely depending on duel.+ If you want to comment on Cora, then at least do the justice of reading Duel. Otherwise your comments are moot and shitting up the dispute. His entrance into this game is a general entrance thingy. Not related to the newbie I was watching or duel. His posts on bugs and my mayoral campaign are something that I look for and find townie always. Not related to the newbie I was watching or duel. Duel throws out the tunneling = townie. Duel makes reliance on meta seem odd. I can accept those arguments, without reading duel, and STILL find those other two things townie. | ||
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On March 14 2013 03:41 marvellosity wrote: So to clarify again, all the nukes are real but you can cancel whichever you choose? I think you are town. I also think you should stop fishing for role information. If DI is a medic and protecting you in some non-normal way, he shouldn't be spelling out what's up. Don't ask him. slOosh is either mafia, in which case this is all nonsense and he's not going to tell you the truth, or he's town, and hopefully can be trusted to have done something that makes sense (despite being Caller). slOosh, if you want to go ahead and play the game, I'd like to know what you think about strongandbig. As to everything else, I'm trying to stay back and not shit up the thread and no go setup-austinmcc here. If the person who is controlling prplhz's vote is town and can say so without giving away a ton of information, then that person should state that they're responsible for the vote. Vote controlling not the most townie looking action, and this is information that would be important in figuring some things out. | ||
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On March 14 2013 03:51 slOosh wrote: Politician is in no way a town move unless you intentionally take a scum's vote to decide a close lynch. Clearly the way that it was used today was not that. I'll give you a blurb on my thoughts on SnB soon but I'd rather focus on the NUKErs the NUKEees and surrounding conversation. Right, I'm trying to rule out the possibility that it was town, or compulsive, or whatever stupid non-scum explanations there are. If nobody comes out of the woodwork, it's most likely a scum politician, and it means vivax is more likely to be town. I hate that conclusion (and the thought of Vivax being alive and in thread for longer), and the whole bit where SOMEONE'S VOTE WAS STOLEN got lost in all the other stuff. | ||
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On March 14 2013 04:08 marvellosity wrote: I have no idea whatsoever as to why he gave out nukes to the people to whom he gave them out. The targets stink unless there's information he's not telling us.how about you don't tell me how to play ever again. deal? Until slOosh explains exactly what's going in with nukes, I don't see much point in engaging with him. He's made what is quite clearly an anti-town move in giving nukes to volatile, lurky, or suspicious players. If slOosh genuinely had KP to give out, why wasn't he giving it out to his strongest townreads? I know slOosh respects my judgement, why wouldn't he give me a KP to kill mafia with? This whole plan stinks, and his inability just to say "yes" to my clarification is very concerning indeed. But either he's not town and going to lie his face off, or he's town and (hopefully) he'll explain. | ||
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On March 14 2013 04:12 slOosh wrote: Crossfire looks townier for it. Out of all the parties involved, he had BOTH an explanation of his nuke:Honestly was one of the players I put off reading because his filter is too long for close inspection. I don't like him, given that he isn't trying to figure stuff out as everyone should be. Fricken NUKEs flying around and you casually sit back and enjoy the view? For my turn I pick anyone concerning the NUKE discussion. On March 14 2013 03:47 Crossfire99 wrote: That more or less makes sense. Crossfire DID list yamato as a townread and Foolishness as a scum read. I'm okay with his reasoning.I figured you were planning on killing me today with your post earlier, so I knew I had to use the nuke before you did something to me. Foolish was my top scum read, plus I saw that he nuked yamato who I believe is town. I also saw that people seemed to be just voting foolish because everyone knew he had to die, so I figured I would help everyone out by nuking scum. This will allow us to lynch another scum and have better discussion. Crossfire also posted this, which shows he was thinking about the game: On March 14 2013 00:21 Crossfire99 wrote: Who said anything about me getting a power today? Scumslip. He and foolish both scum. On March 14 2013 00:43 Crossfire99 wrote: Foolish never claimed being given a nuke. How could vivax have known that either foolish or I got a nuke if we did? Neither of us said anything in thread, yet he instantly assumes that both of us were given the nukes to use. That means he is in secret communication with one of us because I know that I received the nuke last night to use. (He could have also been the one to give the nukes but why would he give the nuke to me who he would lynch today.) Yeah that requires an assumption that foolish got his nuke like I did, but I already think he's scum and I know I'm town (and not in secret communication with vivax). Whatever it's not a 100% scum claim that everyone can know. But knowing what I know, I know that foolish and vivax are scum together. It's the only thing that makes sense. That's not as 100% objective as I'd like as I now realize typing it out, but meh. I still think it's the most likely scenario. This is one of the few things that fell out of the whole encounter where it looks like someone had extra information. Foolishness never claimed that he was GIVEN a power. Crossfire never claimed that he was GIVEN a power. Vivax claims that he GOT a power, "just like Foolishness and Crossfire." It's possibly Vivax is leaping to conclusions and assuming that all the nukes were gifted. It's possible he's scum with one of them, and so knew that 2/3 of the nukes were gifted and assumed the other was. But regardless of Vivax's alignment, Crossfire picked up on this and pointed it out. Moreover, he comes to the right conclusion - it's not 100%. That post looks incredibly off the cuff, I know I have had a number of posts where I realize partway through that something is not as strong as I want it to be, but post it anyway. This looks, legitimately, like that kind of post. I am now townie on Crossfire. Working on figuring out what to make of Foolishness's response to the this. If he's scum and marv isn't, Foolishness should have nuked marv, imo (Or someone more threatening to scum than Yamato right now). However, because his play leading up to this has been scummy, and because his post-nuke conduct is just to afk out again after dropping a comment about risk.nuke, I don't think it paints him as town. If he nuked marv, he'd be 10000000% scum and have no chance of avoiding lynch today. Nuking non-marv was really his only option as scum. So I'm reading his actions as an attempt to look townie, because the lead-up and the follow-up to the nuke target don't mesh with town Foolishness. So, a full thought and a partial thought. You just tangled a bit with acro, thoughts on him? | ||
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On March 14 2013 05:08 HiroPro wrote: Seems to only mention recent events, and doesn't say anything specific. Care to substantiate your thoughts with references to actual posts?i am leaning town. I dont agree with some of the stuff he is saying (on Foolish especially), but he feels very genuine to me in the small tidbits he discusses. I choose prplhz for you. But, let's continue, because prplhz himself looks scummy, and yet he's the guy you chose. He looks NULL because of his posts about wbg D1. He kind of egged on votes on wbg, while not being convinced himself. However, he only did that with people who were scummy on wbg, so I can't tell whether he's legitimately trying to force people to vote with the reads they give, or whether he's just trying to get votes onto someone who wasn't mafia. On March 11 2013 21:07 prplhz wrote: yamato77 isn't scum because he's an anonymous dayvig who chose to shoot Kurumi over Foolishness/Ver/TakeYourPick. This post looks mildly townie He looks I DON'T EFFING KNOW for sheeping all the time: + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2013 07:41 prplhz wrote: I posted the useful things I have. You'll agree that this thread doesn't need another huge dumb filter. cDgCorazon doesn't need me to hold his hand for him to prove his own innocence, he'll do a lot better without that. When did I ever even talk to a scum read after voting? I don't care much if cDgCorazon is getting lynched, I don't have a huge scum read in him, your case on him was just the best case in this thread so far. I'll notify you if the thread is trying to lynch one of my town reads (such as yamato77) but other than that, I don't care much for day1. On March 14 2013 01:42 prplhz wrote: okay i'll ask you WTF is going on? i don't have any big reads right now. i have town reads and then i have marv's reads and that's kind of it. i wish people would slow down. we have 120 pages in one day, and we have a ton of new content right now (roles being used). there's no way everybody spamming away in this thread has thought everything through and read everything thoroughly so please slow down and go back and reevaluate. i know that's what i want to do right now. Sheep's marv's case on cora D1. D2 has town reads and "marv's reads" and that's it. **Actually, he looks scummy for this specific bit i don't have any big reads right now. i have town reads and then i have marv's reads and that's kind of it. Rereading this over and over makes it ... scummy or role-dependant? Even if you have a townread on marv, it's super scummy not to share what scumreads of his you share and why, but instead to just claim you're sheeping his reads 100%. Unless his role requires him to do that, and we haven't seen anything as restrictive as "you must always vote for a player that x thinks if mafia." This is scummy.He looks scummier for this: On March 14 2013 01:08 prplhz wrote: Again, this is really important. Someone stole his vote. HIS VOTE. There's that stupid line in some of the OPs or the PMs when you'e a VT about how all you have is your voice and your vote. His vote is gone.got a mod pm telling me that i have to vote for vivax ##Vote Vivax Does he really care? No. He just casually states it's gone. Does he seem upset by this? Does he try and figure out who did this? Does this impact how he views Vivax? Nope, just "Hai gaiz, my vote has been placed on vivax, see ya." That's both not a townie response to being the target of a votesteal AND it's downplaying something that is important. It's wifomy as to who stole whose vote and put it on whom, what parts of that are mafia's doing, but it's an important thing that happened and it's very likely that scum did the vote stealing because nobody has claimed it. I liked his bringing up BC. I liked the points he made. That case felt legitimate, there was work that went into it, digging up things that BC had said in the past. Minor townie points for prplhz, even with BC flipping town, because it felt like it took some time, and because, assuming mafia shot BC, it was effort put into a case on a guy that they were going to kill. Please do prplhz yourself. Also, prplhz...any explanation for why the vote-steal doesn't seem to have mattered to you? | ||
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I think Foolishness's post reads well. I also think that he's not being entirely truthful. The read on marv feels legitimate, but him being a batman-posting/unlynchable/1-shot vigi? That's bs. I don't trust that at all. Makes me not trust the post as a whole, because if he's actually coming clean here and making a big towncase, he's not doing a good job of it when he's also hiding/altering information. Can I prove that he's lying? Not really. Does it seem that it is? Yeah. It feels like he's crafting a role to explain all of his behavior, and that doesn't pass the smell test with me. | ||
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On March 14 2013 15:43 supersoft wrote: Here's what this bit comes down to:you don't deserve to win. Really. Okay people. Keep sheeping Marv. Marv may be town. But Foolishness definetely is town. Yamato is the first lynch. Crossfire the second. If marv keeps protecting them and if he doesnt see that foolish is town, you must kill him, too. Do you believe Foolishness is a batman-posting-restriction/unlynchable/fake-1-shot-vigi? Do you think Foolishness received a PM telling him that he was all of those things? If you do, I think you're ridiculous. If you don't, then Foolishness's big reputation-restoration post isn't fully truthful. If nothing else, this line: On a side note, my actions to kill yamato were what I perceived to be the best course to get people to see that I'm town considering that so many people are suspicious of me. I vigi'd him last night so that people could see I was serious. When that didn't happen I nuked him almost immediately (after ruling out Ver and marvellosity as the other candidates). Since I can't be lynched I thought that this would again put me back on track and get people to listen to me. Read this bit Supersoft. Read this bit anyone who thinks Foolishness posted a big ol' pile of truthful thoughts.(1) I tried to kill yamato 2x "to get people to see that I'm town" (2) "Since I can't be lynched I thought that this would again put me back on track and get people to listen to me" Read (2) again. Read (2) again, slowly. Again, he's saying he can't be lynched. Yet he's worried about getting town to listen to him. And he's admitting that he hasn't had much time to play, hasn't been able to analyze everything. There are TWO problems there. If he can't be lynched, then his townieness is ALMOST 100% proven when he doesn't get lynched. How the balls do you balance a game with a scum player who cannot be lynched? Role =/= alignment, but some roles are very, very telling because they simply can't be balanced for the other side. See the talk about phoenix wright or whatever from earlier. Unlynchable is NOT a balanced mechanic, and if he's so sure he won't be lynched, then his townieness will be proven out. He's so worried about getting town cred and about being listened to, yet he's conveniently forgotten that he is claiming that he will emerge from a lynch unscathed, immediately FORCING people to take him much more serious and townily. Does not compute. Look at you. You didn't post end-of-night reads, despite thinking you might get shot, because you knew you'd be back today. Foolishness claims to have a PM that says "you can't be lynched, bro," and yet he's not taking that into account in his play. He's lying. He's lying in his come-clean post. That ain't town. | ||
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On March 14 2013 00:54 kitaman27 wrote: prplhz will be voting for Vivax this cycle On March 14 2013 08:57 kitaman27 wrote: slOosh has decided to sheep cDgCorazon this cycle. He must vote for whomever cDgCorazon decides to vote. Read em. At the very least, the wording on the two vote-steals is different. And they operate differently, prplhz's vote went on vivax. slOosh "Decided to sheep corazon" and has to vote cora's vote. Couple conclusions: (1) One of these is bullshit, and is a power to broadcast a message to thread. The person with the "stolen vote" broadcasts that he lost a vote, votes accordingly, boom. (2) Of the two, that looks more like prplhz. Cora actively posted with "slOosh's vote" making it seem like that was a legitimate steal (3) The wording of the slOosh steal MAY indicate that slOosh is the one with the power though, because he "decided" to sheep corazon I don't like slOosh for scum yet. All that nuke stuff was such a big fat townie-looking plan. But that's the one big thing he has in his favor, and maybe it's covering up little things like this. I don't want to lynch him today. I don't really want to be not-townie on him, because of the nuke stuff. But it's a possibility, especially given the vote-steal wording and the oddness of where the vote is placed. | ||
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On March 14 2013 23:15 Dandel Ion wrote: imo ppl should try to vote for somebody else and then we'll seen if it's real. I like this ^ slOosh especially, can you try dropping a vote on someone else? | ||
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Cora. Stop for a second. (1) Are you stealing slOosh's vote? (2) If so, why? (3) Can you put yamato off for a day? This is an honest request. Whether he's scum or town or 3P or a dog sitting at the computer, it's unlikely we flip him today. If we ever flip him, you're making WAY too much out of what that would do. Him flipping scum doesn't make you magically town, because you could have just tunnelled a scumbuddy and tanked your cred this game, it's a very, very easy way to coast through a game. (4) Read Foolishness's post. Read his claim. Read his claimed actions. Do they sit well with you? Why/Why not? | ||
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On March 14 2013 23:22 marvellosity wrote: So, this is paranoia, but it's a game I like playing. I remembered slOosh posting a heart in thread, made me wonder if the vote steal happened to anyone who posts a heart, or something like that - he's king of anyone who does stuff with hearts. But the timing is wrong.austin this is kinda role speculation, but Corazon is play "king of hearts" and has said I think for ppl to sheep him, made a sheep picture. So it seems plausible that slOosh was compelled to 'sheep' corazon On March 14 2013 08:57 kitaman27 wrote: slOosh has decided to sheep cDgCorazon this cycle. He must vote for whomever cDgCorazon decides to vote. On March 14 2013 09:45 slOosh wrote: <3 Vivax you are after my heart. But yea we can nail him later. Gotta focus today. I want to lynch marv first because we have the most clout today and he is hardest to lynch today, but I assume Foolishness has a good reason to go in that order. Now, the slOosh quote looks wonky just cuz it has a picture and the word, and because cora has been posting about being the king of hearts, and because corazon = heart. But it's after the sheep post from kita, so it couldn't have been a trigger. It might be some kind of fallout, a consequence of having his vote stolen, dunno. All wild, wild speculation but just in case it means something then someone can dig up this post. slOosh also used the term "sheep" three times in a very early post - + Show Spoiler + On March 11 2013 13:16 slOosh wrote: cuz he can shoot him, and people like you let him get away with it why would town use super mod check on kurumi of all people? less posting more sheeping me SHEEP SLOOSH A CHANGE YOU CAN SHEEP IN MAYBE WE COULD SHEPE As to corazon commenting on Foolishness...meh. I don't know how you avoid commenting on him that much. I also don't know how you do nothing but tunnel one player for almost the entire game. It's odd behavior all around. Yes, you guys have been focal points, but he's basically just not commented on ANYONE, so I have no clue what's up there. I can no longer just go "naw guys, fearless entry + trying to figure the game out," because his play continues to look either scummy or ... wrong/weird/whatisgoingon. | ||
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On March 14 2013 23:46 marvellosity wrote: Does a blatantly bad plan with nukes? Bad. Seems to explain it quite well? good. ELI5? I think that the explanation and plan go hand in hand. It LOOKED bad, but given the explanation, may not have been (or was well-intentioned, something like that). I don't think you can quite separate them this much, and the whole nuke plan still just looks very townie. If he's scum, he gives nukes to townie people. Townie people nuke their scumreads. Those scumreads are getting nuked, quite possible that we don't lynch them (see supersoft not wanting to lynch Foolishness, see nobody wanting to lynch Kurumi D1 in bureaucracy). Day ends, we've lynched candidate #3 or #4 because 1 and 2 were getting nuked, the nukes don't go off, day is part-wasted and part spent working things out under false assumptions. None of that happened. Instead, scummy players got nukes, to see how they used them and how people reacted. I don't call that a blatantly bad plan. I call that a very good use of the power he was given. How do you view it as blatantly bad, even outside of the explanation given? | ||
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On March 14 2013 23:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Do you believe that Foolishness received a batman-posting-restriction/unlynchable/fake-1-shot-vigi PM? I changed my mind, too lazy to change my vote if in fact its on Foolishness. Foolishness is town. K got past that? That means that Marv is scum, due to the very nice explanation and trap that foolishness did. Now what marv did after foolishness's post is nitpick on one specific part and never mention it again. DrH said in his mafia podcast(go listen its really nice). That as scum, you dont want to address a hugeass case point by point because then more slips of logic will happen and you are now very under pressure. Instead, marv picks a small portion, blasts it, then moves on. Now people dont really remember that and the focus is off marv and onto foolishness who cant defend himself/hammer marv cause he is not here. Then the thread goes to pieces, with marv hastening its destruction. With Foolishness town, this means that yamato is probably scum, as well as crossfire for reasons previously stated. If so, how does his worry over whether people listen and looking townie mesh up with the fact that he is unlynchable? If not, can you explain why Foolishness is lying in that post? | ||
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On March 14 2013 23:55 marvellosity wrote: We didn't get much information from it and wasting half a day because volatile or suspicious people are pretending to nuke various targets isn't helpful. As to your bold, we were lynching Foolishness today, because I went past the nuke shit. I disagree on not getting much information. We got GOOD info on slOosh and on crossfire, at least from my point of view. I'll take using 1/4 of a day cycle to get info that pretty much convinces me about the alignments of 2 players, and pulls up some minor info elsewhere (we don't know yet everything that came out of that discussion, and we won't know until later). Do you think there was a better/townier thing to do with fake nukes? | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:00 Oatsmaster wrote: Linking role to alignment is USUALLY fucking stupid. But see the discussion earlier about phoenix wright. And see the fact that he is claiming to be UNLYNCHABLE.Linking role to alignment is fucking stupid. Its a themed game. Roles are crazy. Ignore it. If foolishness looked like 95% townie, would you be more inclined to believe him and lynch marv? I would/I want to. The more townie you look, the more people would believe you or sheep you. I dont think getting lynched has anything to do with it. That's NOT a role you can hand to scum in a balanced game, unless other people are toting ridiculous powers. We had 16 trillion calls for crossfire or vivax to get vigied N1. Neither of them got vigied. That implies that we don't have much in the way of vigi power, maybe some very conditional stuff. And yet we're somehow supposed to kill an unlynchable scum player? No thanks. Roles usually doesn't = alignment. Unlynchable isn't just a role, unlynchable is actually bending the rules of the game. Same as supersoft's zombie role. If he flips scum and comes back as a zombie for the day...oh well. We know he's scum, we don't listen. It's a role that is absolutely 100% useless in the hands of scum, but powerful for a townie. There are certain roles, especially roles that bend/break the rules of the game, that just can't be utilized by one side, or can't be balanced if they appear on one side. If Foolishness looked very townie, then sure, there's more of a chance I believe him. If he flips townie, or isn't lynched, and marv doesn't get NKed, then I'm more apt to look at him harder and see if he's just fooling me again. But I'm not placing my vote today based on "If this game were different, I'd probably take this action." I'm voting based on what I've seen and read in the game as it is, not as it might be. | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:03 Vivax wrote: You'd post, and you'd try to swing the lynch other ways.+ Show Spoiler + On March 14 2013 23:56 austinmcc wrote: Do you believe that Foolishness received a batman-posting-restriction/unlynchable/fake-1-shot-vigi PM? If so, how does his worry over whether people listen and looking townie mesh up with the fact that he is unlynchable? If not, can you explain why Foolishness is lying in that post? Austin, you are unlynchable but have scumreads and town still wants to lynch you over your scumreads. Do you not post anything about your scumreads to persuade them just cause you're unlynchable? Do you think he would just not do anything cause he's unlynchable as town? But...you'd do 2 things. You'd post reads/arguments, and you'd inform everyone you were unlynchable. You still get your reads/arguments into the thread, and people know you're not going to die, that you don't care about the lynch, etc. Foolishness did 3 things. He posted reads/arguments, informed everyone he was unlynchable, and also worried about how townie he looked/what actions would make him look townier. To the extent that he is concerned with that, who cares, because HE WILL SURVIVE A MO-FO-ING lynch. It's good to want to look townie. It's good to want people to listen to you. It's not good to want to look townie, want people to listen to you, and conveniently forget that you are claiming to be unlynchable, which means that the actions of the game will make you look super townie as they play out. At the very least, that consideration should be in your mind. And it doesn't seem to have been there for Foolishness. | ||
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He wanted to use his vig shot to look townie. He wanted to use his nuke to look townie. He doesn't seem to realize that he could use his UNLYNCHABILITY to look townie. He wanted to use his role/actions to look townie, but not the giant, neon sign, HEY LOOK GUYS I'M TOWN part of his role. | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:13 Vivax wrote: We agree that you should still be defending yourself and getting reads out there.The thing is, people are less prone to believe your scumreads if they believe you're scum in the first place. I don't see why Foolish should completely disregard defending himself just cause he claims to be unlynchable, also his post was a long story of thought process throughout the game, so the points to his defense come, let's say naturally. Look austin, from your perspective, it's the start of the day, so a lot of people want to lynch you. You could simply tell your scumreads, or you could tell your scumreads and defend yourself to make yourself more credible. The latter is always a better option, unlynchable or not. But his defense is suspect to me, because of his claimed role and because he seems to have taken A and B into account, but not C, which I don't understand. He also didn't defend himself at the start of the day, he waited until all the nuke stuff blew over. That's...neither here nor there, I don't think that matters all too much, but at the start of the day he got like 4 votes and some other suspicions, nuked yamato, and then peaced out for half a day (apart from dropping a weird comment on risk.nuke). Instead of explaining himself, he fired the first nuke of the day and dipped, and you saw what the thread was like for a long time. | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:20 yamato77 wrote: I won't claim to have a magical meta-activity-read on risk, and that seems to be what most reads on him are based on?Austin, what's your read on risk.nuke? He's in the group I'm concerned with. I don't like that he's still there. I'll skip a discussion of the bits of his filter that I can't figure out - his pushing non-majority targets D1 (scum being present but not really interacting with the thread or actual hunting of interesting targets), On March 13 2013 18:53 risk.nuke wrote: Foolishness just pulled a stunt, I'll revaluate based on how that goes. Before that I would porbably had been fine lynching him based on his performance. This quote worries me. I didn't remember this until filtering just now. I don't THINK foolishness claimed his nuke to be a stunt. This was before slOosh spoke on the nukes, before Crossfire launched his nuke. But risk seems to know that the nuke that Foolish launched was a "stunt." It's...gah. Foolishness didn't know the nuke was fake at this point, unless EVERYONE is scum, so it...it isn't incriminating? It really isn't scummy unless risk and slOosh were both scum, because only then could risk know that the nuke was a "stunt" and not a real nuke? Blech, not as important as I thought. The ONLY thing in his filter that really gives me a whiff of anything is him picking up on Foolishness's role feeling like crap. That makes me mildly townie on him. It puts him above prplhz, hiropro, possibly strongandbig in the group of players that I keep lumping together. risk's filter is going to look a LOT more informative with a couple flips though. His D1 targets and his "reevaluation" of his non-Foolishness lynches for today seem like they could be telling once we fill in other holes. If you can find more in his filter to read him off of, be my guest. But there's very little in there that's doing anything for me one way or the other, barring not trusting Foolishness's claim. | ||
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Each is spending a majority of his focus on the other. Makes it look less suspicious that neither is taking control over town in a bunch of aspects and directing things, because they're really just focused on this one guy, and when that one guy flips scum, ta da! All the effort worth it. More focus on a singular targets just helps duck a policy lynch later on, imo. | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:59 marvellosity wrote: majority of focus. Not all. Also a lot of your questioning Corazon, at least today, was entirely unproductive, and balancing out posting on foolishness with banging your head against a wall isn't really balance.You do realise that I wanted to lynch Corazon earlier in the day before Hiro prodded me back towards Foolish, right? | ||
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On March 15 2013 02:17 slOosh wrote: Sorry, I'm not quite making the little bit that I'm getting at clear.To do that he has to waste a town lynch. Waste a town lynch. When the town lynch is the most reliable important tool for scumkilling. Looking townie is important if scum has been shoveling doubt on you all day, because even if you have all the right reads, it doesn't matter if people don't listen. I think there are good town motivations for his actions. I don't want him to sit back and wait to be lynched, then be alive, then say, "See, I'm town." But to the extent that he is trying to use his role to make himself look town - the vig shot, the nuke - he seems to forget that another part of his role will make him look town without even doing anything, the unlynchability. He references power A and B as being used to make him seem townier. He doesn't even mention that once power C is activated, he'll look super duper mega townie. If I were REALLY on the chopping block, and I were REALLY concerned with using my role to look townie, I would have included that. He's actually on the chopping block. So the way he discussed what he's done to look townie, and more importantly what he leaves out of that discussion, leads me to believe he's not concerned with looking townie, or he's lying about his role. I dunno if this makes any more sense, I feel like I can never actually spell out what I'm looking at here. Besides the fact that his role sounds fabricated, there's just a sense that he pulls in parts of the role to bolster his narrative, but leaves out other parts of the role that would also bolster the narrative. So I see a hole there in how he's creating his narrative/explaining his role and actions, and it reads to me as scummy. | ||
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On March 15 2013 02:58 marvellosity wrote: I wish this did not feel so very truethe fact he's making terrible assumptions like that still probably mean he's town, though. | ||
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THIS IS THE THREAD POLICE. COME OUT WITH YOUR HANDS UP. SERIOUSLY, GET YOUR HANDS OFF THE KEYBOARD. PUT THEM UP. DO NOT PUT THEM BACK ON THE KEYBOARD. FACT: This thread is full of A LOT of nonsense today. FACT: Threads full of nonsense are bad for town. OPINION: If you read a Vivax post that is ridiculous/nonsensical/flip-floppy/etc. and you want to comment on it, DO NOT OPINION: If you read a Vivax post that is actually logical, pursuing a read that makes any kind of sense at all to you, then feel free to agree/disagree/discuss that comment, and not deal with anything else he says OPINION: Associations based on flips/votes that have happened are SOMEWHAT OKAY, associations based on who might flip what if they weren't so alive are NOT OKAY. There has been so much crap filling the thread today about Yamato/marv/foolish/peter pan/vivax/dick cancer and it's running us around in circles. Tbh, I really only want to read the following things: [list][*]admissions of stealing prplhz's vote [*]any reads of darthpunk's [*]anything that supersoft says [*]DI and iamperfection's comments on stuff that isn't yamato/marv/foolish/vivax [*]posts wherein someone discovers CRAZY SCUMSLIPS THE SIZE OF THE MOON, and maybe the size of THREE MOONS if it concerns marv/foolishness/yamato [*]posts from promethelax, who has been super absent today But seriously, can we just save all the comments on what we will think/do if someone flips whatever for when someone flips whatever or not whatever? Cuz that's kind of the time they actually mean anything. We should be discussing this lynch like rational people that want a legible thread, but we are actually doing such a poor job with that that it feels like we would be better served to not even discuss the lynch. For emphasis. So much of this discussion is so shitty and repetitive and full of nothing that it feels as if it would be better for us, as a town, to NOT DISCUSS A LYNCH. That is ridiculous. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 15 2013 03:21 austinmcc wrote: WEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEE THIS IS THE THREAD POLICE. COME OUT WITH YOUR HANDS UP. SERIOUSLY, GET YOUR HANDS OFF THE KEYBOARD. PUT THEM UP. DO NOT PUT THEM BACK ON THE KEYBOARD. FACT: This thread is full of A LOT of nonsense today. FACT: Threads full of nonsense are bad for town. OPINION: If you read a Vivax post that is ridiculous/nonsensical/flip-floppy/etc. and you want to comment on it, DO NOT OPINION: If you read a Vivax post that is actually logical, pursuing a read that makes any kind of sense at all to you, then feel free to agree/disagree/discuss that comment, and not deal with anything else he says OPINION: Associations based on flips/votes that have happened are SOMEWHAT OKAY, associations based on who might flip what if they weren't so alive are NOT OKAY. There has been so much crap filling the thread today about Yamato/marv/foolish/peter pan/vivax/dick cancer and it's running us around in circles. Tbh, I really only want to read the following things:
But seriously, can we just save all the comments on what we will think/do if someone flips whatever for when someone flips whatever or not whatever? Cuz that's kind of the time they actually mean anything. We should be discussing this lynch like rational people that want a legible thread, but we are actually doing such a poor job with that that it feels like we would be better served to not even discuss the lynch. For emphasis. So much of this discussion is so shitty and repetitive and full of nothing that it feels as if it would be better for us, as a town, to NOT DISCUSS A LYNCH. That is ridiculous. | ||
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On March 15 2013 03:33 supersoft wrote: Here's a thought! Now I will go and do scumhunting and see if it leads anywhere, then I will come back and inform everyone of my results.I'll read more and I'll update you. guys. Right now, I am working on the people that weren't in the spotlight yet. It's possible, that Foolishness and marv both are town and our scumteam hides somewhere between Ver and prplhz. On March 15 2013 00:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Here's a thought! OH HOLY SHITBALLS WHAT IF IT'S RIGHT, MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK OVER HERE, OR OVER HERE, OR OVER HERE? MAYBE I SHOULD JUST TOSS OUT NAAAAAAAAAAAAMES.Is there a situation that both Foolishness and Marv are town and that we need to look elsewhere? Like, YAMATO!!!! Those two posts present the exact same thought. One takes it in a townie direction and goes scumhunting with it, or AT LEAST goes to find new information. One angers the thread police, because it just tosses the thought out there, tacks on a second thought attached to the first, and doesn't go forward at all. Please be the first poster. How you present your thoughts and what you DO with them are so telling, and so helpful in making this thread legible | ||
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. I do not mean to clog it up, but here's something worth noting, and something that we don't seem to have looked at.Who stole the vote? Someone stole prplhz's vote. That person has not claimed. It is likely that person is scum (regardless of whether vivax is scum or not, unclaimed votestealing ain't townie). The vote steal was NOT posted with the daypost. That means it wasn't a night action, someone actively PMed kita during the day, when the vote steal happened, and stole the vote. This means that the person who stole the vote was PROBABLY someone who was active at that time, posting. The following people posted in the ~15 minutes before Kita's message that prplhz's vote was stolen: DI, Vivax, Crossfire, marv, risk, acro The following people posted in the ~15 minutes after Kita's message: DI, marv, Oats, vivax, acro, prom, iamp, HiroPro Out of those players, the following people voted Vivax/wanted vivax killed, and said so during that time: Crossfire Risk-ish Dandel Ion Oatsmaster Acrofales Promethelax I believe that our scummy dude is one of those folks. DI has claimed not-politician, and appears to know something particular to a role that we know is in the game and has not been counterclaimed. Therefore, he is probably not the culprit. There is a chance that the PM to vote-steal was sent earlier, and kita just wasn't around. However, Kita confirmed ONE MINUTE before the vote steal that Vivax was nuking marvellosity. So kita was around and reading thread, and the steal is likely something that happened RIGHT THEN, after the nuke, because Kita would have mentioned the vote steal before the nuke if the vote steal was before the nuke (probably. Not unreasonable to assume). I cannot be sure, but I like Oats the most for the vote-stealer. He posted within one minute of Kita posting that prplhz's vote was stolen, to say that Vivax claimed scum and why were we not lynching him. Oats didn't just vote Vivax, that statement is the most "Hey guys, let's push the lynch onto Vivax" statement of the bunch, and vote stealing helps to do that. Around right at the time of the steal, pushing Vivax for a lynch, and he isn't DI-who has claimed a different role that is somewhat backed up by the daypost. I have not really been looking at Oats today, because of all this other stuff. Now I'm trying to focus on other things, and following this up will be one of them. | ||
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On March 15 2013 06:43 cDgCorazon wrote: So you're going to go with the popular lynch, just like you've gone with the popular reads and the popular votes. You're not scumhunting at all. Your last post about Crossfire and Foolish is basically 100% of your contribution to the scum hunt. Cora, as a vote yoinker yourself, please look at the prplhz vote steal. Do you draw any conclusions from it? | ||
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On March 15 2013 06:54 prplhz wrote: I get what you're saying. But I mainly care about Cora's response to that question, and don't love it.you don't lynch someone based on how host wrote whatever bc explained it in this very game Someone stole a vote to put on vivax because they didn't have "the balls" to vote for him themselves. I don't really get that AT ALL, and it shows a lack of reading the thread and that the desire for Cora wanting to "solve" the game isn't as strong as I read at the start. That's the big takeaway for me, tbh. That there seemed to be focus on figuring out bugs's post and my mayoral campaign, but there's really not any interest in figuring out other curious bits and pieces, especially when we're dealing with a politician and cora appears to be something of the sort. | ||
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Vivax, here is my question to you: If prplhz is scum, who stole prplhz's vote today? If you think scum stole his vote, to make him look good, why do it then? He was NOT looking he was going to get lynched today when the steal came through. Moreover, if scum chose to blow a politician role in order to make prplhz look good in the middle of the day, that makes it highly unlikely that ANY decent lynch candidate today was scum, or else they should have stolen that guy's vote and then had him use that to look townie. Unless you can concisely, without spamming conspiracies, think up a reason for (1) town to steal prplhz's vote and NOT MENTION IT or (2) scum to steal scumprplhz's vote at that time, then at the very least table this until tomorrow? Foolishness, You should read those two posts of marvellosity's. There are a bunch of other scattered posts about you, but those directly address your case on him and some other stuff. But I'd like to talk about this unlynchability nonsense. You claimed unlynchable, which seemed highly unlikely, especially given that you also claimed to have been told you were a one-shot vigi. Now you're claiming that you cannot be lynched, and the second place vote-getter will always be lynched in your stead? Did you just realize this? Just ask Kita/GreY? Or were you hiding that information earlier? Your claim felt bogus the first time around. It still feels that way now. Saying that the second place vote-getter will be lynched in your stead is STILL unlynchability, and seems enormously powerful compared to a lot of what we've seen. I don't believe that you're being truthful here. | ||
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I know you asked about stutters. I can go look at him if you want, but I do not have a good feel for his play. I remember him lurking heavily and me being wrong about him in LIX. I remember him lurking heavily in Themed and I think being correct with him? In both cases it just came down to normal analysis of what he said when he said it. Weird defense of someone in LIX (I think that was it) = scummy. A couple good answers when engaged in discussion in Themed = town. I don't think I have a good sense of him on the whole though. | ||
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On March 15 2013 10:01 Vivax wrote: What I know is that prplhz asked a question that indicates he had extra knowledge. When marv responded, prplhz seemed to think that plexa's post was with the daypost. That means he was either lying or confused. We do not know which one. YOU do not know which one. On the whole, he did not "look sure," because when corrected, he said not to mind him.+ Show Spoiler + On March 15 2013 09:57 austinmcc wrote: WEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEE Vivax, here is my question to you: If prplhz is scum, who stole prplhz's vote today? If you think scum stole his vote, to make him look good, why do it then? He was NOT looking he was going to get lynched today when the steal came through. Moreover, if scum chose to blow a politician role in order to make prplhz look good in the middle of the day, that makes it highly unlikely that ANY decent lynch candidate today was scum, or else they should have stolen that guy's vote and then had him use that to look townie. Unless you can concisely, without spamming conspiracies, think up a reason for (1) town to steal prplhz's vote and NOT MENTION IT or (2) scum to steal scumprplhz's vote at that time, then at the very least table this until tomorrow? Foolishness, You should read those two posts of marvellosity's. There are a bunch of other scattered posts about you, but those directly address your case on him and some other stuff. But I'd like to talk about this unlynchability nonsense. You claimed unlynchable, which seemed highly unlikely, especially given that you also claimed to have been told you were a one-shot vigi. Now you're claiming that you cannot be lynched, and the second place vote-getter will always be lynched in your stead? Did you just realize this? Just ask Kita/GreY? Or were you hiding that information earlier? Your claim felt bogus the first time around. It still feels that way now. Saying that the second place vote-getter will be lynched in your stead is STILL unlynchability, and seems enormously powerful compared to a lot of what we've seen. I don't believe that you're being truthful here. Are you completely nuts austin. Prplhz claims to know something others don't and you ask me why someone stole his vote when it could have been any anyone. Scum stealking his and a townie stealing his cause he thinks I was a nice target. Stop being dumb. This isn't a conspiracy theory. This is prplhz looking sure that the Russian message was sent out before the dawn when he had no reason to, it knows role knowledge he shouldn't have and can't justify as being his own. Again, he is either lying or confused. Given the enormous number of "x hasn't read the thread" incidents so far this game, you can't just leap on that and call him scum. You're looking at a single facet of what someone has done, when that facet is not clearly scummy or townie, and making a read off of it, trying to push that read, when we're 46 hours into a day. Hold it for D3 if you're around. If not, I promise to post at least 3 posts in all caps accusing prplhz of being scum. | ||
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(1) Do you have any magical extra knowledge that should be in thread? Random role crap that you think would help town more than scum if it were out in the open? (2) Are you a balance person at all? Your scum list feels vet/experienced heavy. Like corazon and crossfire are the only newer players on there, and crossfire has been around as long as I have, so he's not new new new. You've got 4 of the people that I've been lumping together for balance purposes as could/should be scum, and I'm kind of uncomfortable with that number. | ||
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We shouldn't CREATE shenanigans in order to try and block shenanigans. Like, the only person saying something might be up with the votes is Foolishness himself, who does not appear to have been truthful earlier and who is kinda, you know, scum. | ||
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On March 15 2013 10:56 Promethelax wrote: If something happened to you It was not to me due You were not on my list to be stopped I did nothing to your power stop I hope that this gives you a clue It do | ||
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On March 15 2013 07:55 Foolishness wrote: Oh wow. Okay I will read them tonight, you can hold me to that. would yield SOMETHING. At the very least, another claim of how this unlynchability works. But looks like no. | ||
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On March 15 2013 12:09 Dandel Ion wrote: No the prplhz(?) vote was locked on d1, and cora couldn't have done it. Cora only claimed slOosh's steal. Nobody claimed prplhz. prplhz's vote wasn't locked on D1, only D2. Kita's post came just after the third nuke launched. Read thread is gud for DI. | ||
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I'll take Things We Can't Be Sure Of for 600. Might still be scum on there. If nothing else, cora just tunneled yamato and anyone who defended yamato all game. Perhaps a ploy to make yammypants look good, or to hide a buddy in all cora's stuff. | ||
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It's not a question of sanity/no sanity. If he's insane because he finds things that aren't things, oh well. If he's insane because he finds things that are demonstrably false/he made up in the first place, then I've got more issue with it. I keep going back to him absolutely fabricating what Foolishness said, admitting to not reading the posts, and continuing to argue as to what Foolishness said when he admitted not reading. That wasn't him finding something like this plexa bit, which is a THING, even if misinterpreted. That's him creating a THING out of whole cloth, then using it to be normal vivax. The genesis of his being vivax, in the case of the foolishness thing early, and I think in a couple other things during the game, is what points most to him being scummy. He's creating his own springboards to launch into being vivax. I don't THINK I've seen him do that as town. I don't think it's a meta thing at all, tbh, but if he were town he should be looking at what's in the thread and drawing strange conclusions, not making up what's in the thread and drawing strange conclusions. | ||
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On March 15 2013 23:47 marvellosity wrote: It's just roleplay. austin, we need to agree on things more often, so that you can write what I want in an eloquent fashion. After this game, clock strikes 12, and I start rambling again and arguing with you at every turn. | ||
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Does he tend to bounce around from single target to single target? Or does he weave whoever he is scummy on atm into some kind of larger narrative, make lists, find scumteams? If anyone knows, save me the trouble plox. | ||
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On March 15 2013 23:54 marvellosity wrote: I can honestly say there's a good chance I wouldn't think of it. Not sure this would hold true for everyone.One other thing to think about, austin, I have no idea why I didn't bring it up at the time - if I were mafia sending in some action to steal a vote, I'd probably avoid the thread during the time I'm doing so. | ||
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On March 16 2013 00:08 risk.nuke wrote: So do we trust that announcement or the daypost? Grey, you didn't mess up in the daypost did you? ^ The nightpost DID say there would be an announcement...so I guess this is it? I'm less worried about messing up one of the posts than this being some kind of broadcaster or whatever a "magic marker" does. Coloring people's names in wrong? | ||
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Based on your filter, and what people are saying, you're off the hook. It's not cause you don't make big paragraphs. It's because, often, I don't follow your leaps and suspicions. If I can't follow them, I tend to assume they're fabricated and you're scum just trying to be active/have a bunch of scumreads for mislynch targets. My MAIN reason to think you're scum this game, as of now, is the prplhz vote steal. You fit that bill best imo. That's an important thing, that people need to not forget, but it's not the main issue for now. Bigger things afoot. | ||
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On March 16 2013 00:18 strongandbig wrote: I was town and just got called scum in my flip it would take longer than that to figure out what happened. this could be wrong if everyone involved had superfast pm reaction time but w/e ^ On March 16 2013 00:18 marvellosity wrote: Maybe the reveal wasn't specified? Bugs had troll abilities, but that fit him playing as Chezinu. Maybe we've got other trolls out there whose abilities don't work as indicated?Why would mafia death frame a townie as mafia just to reveal him as town later ? That makes absolutely no sense. | ||
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On March 16 2013 00:25 Vivax wrote: Again, not EVERYTHING is nonsense.+ Show Spoiler + On March 16 2013 00:23 marvellosity wrote: My point is this. If Corazon flips townie with the nightpost, I look awful immediately. We can agree on this yes? There's no arguing with the hosts, there's no speculation on any abilities, I simply look awful. In this scenario, there's a lot of doubt about what happened, enough in fact that I'm still pretty convinced Corazon was mafia. Why do it in a manner that makes me look less bad than if Corazon had simply flipped townie in the nightpost? Exactly cause it makes you look less bad. And WIFOMWIFOMWIFOM. We don't talk about this derp ability. We talk about reads now. Marv got a townie lynched, Foolishness defended him. Take your pick. It IS all wifom. Plexa didn't send it, we've seen 2 plexa messages and both come from him, not "MODERATOR MESSAGE." So either it's 100% legit, or there's some OTHER way to fake messages. Plus the OP update means you're not talking about a message, you'd need to be able to fundamentally change someone's flip and have it reflected like that in the OP. Whatever it means, a power that actually changes a flip in the OP when it's not a bastard game or hidden flip or anything else flip-based means that, most likely, the second flip is true. Cora was town. | ||
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But you're not considering everything. cora isn't the only actor here. The hosts/mods added a message and updated the OP. | ||
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On March 16 2013 00:38 Vivax wrote: Both hosts lying to you? That's a conspiracy theory austin. Read my post, although I'll admit it was a little unclear. Should have read "Not EVERYTHING (vivax says) is nonsense." I was agreeing with you, to the extent that, at most, this is all a buncha WIFOM. But it seems much more likely hosts are lying all over the place and that cora was town. | ||
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On March 16 2013 03:53 Oatsmaster wrote: If it just covers up a flip for 12 hours, the point is THIS. All this discussion. We're continuing to discuss what some power MIGHT have been, instead of actually scumhunting.Ok if your explanation is true. WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THE POINT? There is a point to the other way, because we may still assume that there are 5 mafia alive and that cora flipped town. There is no point to conceal role for 12 hours only. Its not a nerf, it makes it USELESS. It's not fantastically useFUL, but it's been more than useless, and if we don't scumhunt it continues to get more and more useful. | ||
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Blind yourself to the bits where he supports you. Blind yourself to the parts where his reads line up with yours A LOT of the time. Is town iamp....this unfocused? Some may be roleplaying, but actually read his filter critically. Especially during D2 when the thread didn't need any help being a mess. He's got a couple reads, and he talks about those when they come up, sometimes, but he just never ever goes out of his way to START anything. He never goes out of his way to comment on anything that isn't being commented on, and he's got NOTHING as far as...half or so of the thread is concerned. It's all so short and terse that I can't get much from it, besides some associative stuff once we have more flips. But...is this iamp? On March 14 2013 10:37 iamperfection wrote: Thinks you're town. You parity checked those two as different. You telegraphed that, so decent chance there was a frame, but he wants to lynch both. No comment ever on whether he thinks there's a cover ability or something, he just doesn't update his read AT ALL from both scum during N1 --> opposite parity check from someone that seems to be a major town read.i feel strongest about ver as well as fool still i dont think cross is mafia that lynch deadline stuff still makes me think he is town Yamato not playing is extremely concerning but i feel stronger about ver and fool | ||
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iamp N1 has both Foolishness and Ver in his scum list marv D2 comes back with a parity check on those two as different iamp strongly believes marv to be town iamp continues to push both Foolishness AND Ver. He does not explain why he does not trust the check. That's fine, in and of itself. There were a lot of comments in the thread about how the check was telegraphed, and so there could be a frame or a rb. But we know marv wasn't roleblocked (PARANOIA PARANOIA: IF HE'S TOWN (WHICH HE PROBABLY IS)). And if the checks came back different, that means a frame doesn't explain both being scum. If both were TOWN, you could frame one, have the parity check come back different, and lynch them BOTH. Get rid of 1 of 2 big scary players that you would not want to face as scum. But if both were SCUM, you can't frame them to make the parity check come back different. You'd need a cover ability, or a framer that specifically can do both, which MIGHT be the case. Or a gf, which MIGHT be the case. iamp just jumps into wanting to lynch BOTH players though. Despite the parity check, despite a roleblock not occurring, despite a regular frame + the check indicating that both are actually TOWN. So he's relying on one of them being a gf or one of them being covered, but nobody is really discussing those powers and he doesn't see fit to mention. He just carries his night scum reads over to day, without taking into account a parity check that a big town read got back. Scum. Dude scum. | ||
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On March 16 2013 04:46 Promethelax wrote: Yeah, but earlier. I read you over a couple times and felt a little better, was worried about the drop in activity, and was hoping to get you more involved so I could reassure myself further. you wanted to ask me something? What was it little thing? I have not much time so reply to my rhyme before to work myself I must bring. Like...supersoft, during yesterday, went from you being super super townie to moving you down his list. You were noticeably absent. Even if the rhymes are sometimes painful, you seem to be forced to condense your thoughts down and give short thoughts/directions. It works well, and we could use more of it. What do you think about this iamp bit? | ||
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On March 16 2013 04:49 iamperfection wrote: Why would you put any stock in the check Austin at all? I put some stock in the check because it happened. How much stock I put in it is a factor of my read on marv, pure speculation that scum has a framer that can cover/gf/something else we don't know about, and ... assumptions about vet balance. I care less about how much I trust the check than the fact that you just discard it without any mention. Like, whether you trust it, maybe trust it, dont' trust it at all, I can't tell WHAT you thought, only that you kept pushing both of them as scum without seeming to factor in the check. I dunno if you didn't notice, didn't care to comment, or knew the check was bogus. | ||
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But there have to be more, and there are people that are flying under the radar that I am not used to doing so. Like stutters being absent, crossfire being heavily absent, business as usual. iamp feeling absent, not business as usual. As in, I'm not sold on slOosh, prplhz gets town points for having his vote be stolen and for having some reasonable and thoughtful posts when the thread has gotten weird (response to the cora flip mainly), so I gotta keep looking. iamp, Timestamps. That post is like 13 hours after your foolishness/ver comment. | ||
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On March 16 2013 05:18 marvellosity wrote: Eh? You disagree?Why do you say this is business as usual for town Crossfire? | ||
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I know he's been silly-lurky in a game I played with him as mafia, but he's always felt lurky to me in town games as well. | ||
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On March 16 2013 05:25 marvellosity wrote: The quality is higher than here. The quality is also higher in the newbie that I played with him than it is here.Just take a browse through Crossfire's filter and look at the quality of his posts. Remember in PU he had a mason claim in his back pocket. But if you think he was super active, he's got 3 pages of filter there over like 8 or 9 days. Here he's almost filled 3. I do usually find his posts to have more stuffz, but WLIAA isn't really an example of him being super-active, as far as I can see by just vague stamp-math. The activity is neither here nor there. I was just using him as an example though, as someone I'm not used to seeing spam thread whereas I'm used to more posts and whatnot from iamp. If you're pushing crossfire on me, you're gonna have a hard sell. You're looking at the nuke stuff differently than I am, and I get townier feelings from slOosh and crossfire than you do. | ||
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On March 16 2013 05:59 marvellosity wrote: Yeah, I don't love a lot of the options.I still like to hear about your mafia-reads though. Just so far you're cycling through people I think are pretty likely to be town (Oats, iamp). I end up coming to something odd like Foolishness/Vivax/risk.nuke/?/iamp, or replacing iamp with another. I have ideas about ?, but that has to wait. risk sticks out because I couldn't get a solid read on him yesterday, and strongandbig's tally of townie/scummy points kind of summed up my feelings nicely. But looking back over him today, I get a stronger vibe. Specifically, here's basically the sum total of risk.nuke since he partway through yesterday: On March 14 2013 19:24 risk.nuke wrote: Here's him voluntarily saying "Ah, I'll reconsider my reads." He never does. He responds to my post on him, strongandbig's post on him, but he doesn't ever do this. He's got no interest in the lynch, more or less, and no interest in really being up front with his reads, which is disturbing to me.Actually, I'll revalue my secondary lynch candidates. TBC The reads that he DOES have are...not impressive. On March 14 2013 19:16 risk.nuke wrote: Vivax is playing like a retard. There in lies the problem because I have a hard time cyphering if he's scum playing like a retard as a shield to excuse himself or if he really just is stupid. On March 15 2013 02:12 risk.nuke wrote: Sloosh's role and they way he used it (while dumb and mostly chaotic) is both a townrole and he used it in a way that provided the town with information. Pretty certain he is town. Acrofales firsts posts are scummy. His later post gets better and he appears to be scumhunting but not strictly in a way that's hard for mafia to do, I don't have enough information to determine if it's legitimate yet. I don't want to lynch him yet. I think in time he will prove himself town or get caught. This is really it. Vivax might be scum. Acro might be scum. slOosh is town, foolishness is mafia (not shown), and cora/cross I will re-evaluate but never do. So he's both not making real reads, and promising reads that never come. But beyond the reads, here are his reactions to the lynch and to cora's 2nd flip. On March 15 2013 16:37 risk.nuke wrote: So foolish actually was unlynchable. I don't think he's town from how he's playing and but now I'm not to sure he's scum based on him actually being unlynchable with the general consensus to kill him and letting cdg get killed in his stead. Which leaves third party. On March 16 2013 00:08 risk.nuke wrote: And again, single comment on the lynch. Single comment on the announcement this morning, which isn't even a comment. "Which do we trust?" is ... a very tame way to look at someone flipping two different alignments, and at all the discussion that followed.So do we trust that announcement or the daypost? Grey, you didn't mess up in the daypost did you? I don't know what amount of activity or reads or posts or anything is reasonable to tell town risk from scum risk. What I know is that he's basically done jack, and some of the points where he chimes in dont' look like anything at all. Question + no follow-up to someone flipping TWICE. Not curious. Feels even less than unsure, because he doesn't appear to ACTUALLY be trying to figure out how he wants to interpret the flip. Just to chime in, make it seem like he don't know whassup, and then go byebye. I like scumrisk way more than scumslOosh. + Show Spoiler + SUPER MEGA BONUS POINT: risk is one of the few playes that Foolishness ever comments on. Shortly after nuking yamato, Foolishness drops On March 13 2013 18:53 Foolishness wrote: risk.nuke is clean as long as he stays active. Earlier Foolishness said: You have any other reads since then? As I said in the thread, if risk.nuke keeps up activity level then he's town. If he keeps posting at the rate he has been posting at he's mafia. He has done this thing before (go inactive and act suspicious for a day). When he's town he will come back and be active and redeem himself. I wouldn't vigi him yet, but he'd be a good person to look at in another day or two. Only two times he appears in Foolishness's filter. Read is based PURELY on activity. After nuking yamato he just offhandedly comments on risk, drops it. | ||
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On March 16 2013 06:41 marvellosity wrote: Sorry, headed home.ok austin, I like that risk stuff a lot more. It's actually provided me with some fresh insight (no offence to your previous posts :p) What do you make of the risk having a nuke but not nuking and not being mentioned by slOosh and all that surrounding business? Eh. Foolishness and Vivax already had nukes. 3 scummers being handed nukes overnight (i'm not counting crossfire here), they know SOMETHING is up. Surely there's no power out there that just generates the power to nuke that much of the thread in a single night. Probably no need to fire all three off at targets you want to kill then. Beyond that, it's all pure speculation. Like, slOosh knows they aren't real and is testing people. But in sending them ALL to scum suspects, scum isn't just gonna go "OH HEY NUKES!" and fire them all off. I really like the thought process, and the explanation of the plan from slOosh. But only targeting people you find scummy makes it more likely they figure SOMETHING is up, and can do whatever they want to muck up your results. If nothing else, risk drastically less active since the nuke business. Don't fire nuke --> he comes out looking townie --> byebye risk. All that says "nothing definitive." And in typing that out, it weakens my crossfire read because, again, scum aren't entirely in the dark. Town doesn't know that the first nuke is fake, that someone didn't have a nuke as part of their role, etc. Scum gets a bunch overnight, something's up. Grrrrrrrr. | ||
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We're not lynching stutters today. Anyone who continues to argue hard for a stutters lynch is mafia. stutters MIGHT be mafia. Aspects of his play are scummy. But if you're arguing that, with all the information we had + everything we learn from the NKs that we should be lynching stutters in lylo, you're mafia or just being dumb. Everyone should, at the very least, reread Foolishness's posts. We were wrong. We have zombie supersoft's posts to look at, and we have Foolishness's posts. That's two strong town players that were around a while. We don't need to be sheeping their reads, especially as either one or both (and likely both, given the deaths last night) of supersoft's sure mafia are town, but before we fill the thread with crap, read their stuff. I'm currently of the mind that today's lynch is probably marv, DP, vivax. | ||
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On March 17 2013 01:41 prplhz wrote: This actually sounds entirely reasonable and logical.seriously. if you're town, you're dead tonight. i don't believe in any more protective roles. you also don't have a power yourself to survive because you would have used that on day1. i'd like to know your role so i can see if it makes sense to me how you have used it so far. so can we please see a roleclaim. there's no reason not to. | ||
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On March 17 2013 02:05 marvellosity wrote: In all seriousness, we kill Crossfire (or DP) today, they flip mafia, it's still lylo tomorrow and i'm left alive. What then? This stinks. You're a more-than-solid mafia player. You know that. You enjoy that. But yet you are saying that you're town, going to finally start lynching mafia, and then they will leave you alive tonight? This isn't the marv that I know, who should have been assuming that every night from N1 he was going to be killed. I have tried to be the police. That hasn't worked. So let's try something else. austinmcc wright, thread lawyer. OATS - Have you ever played in a game with scummarv before? If so, which? If so, on a scale of -10 (Modconfirmed scum) to +10 (Modconfirmed townie) how did you read him? WHOLE THREAD - Was anyone roleblocked N1? | ||
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The hapa write-up is less than ideal for this game, as the intro notes. Why is it less than ideal? I'm not telling you, go read the dang post. | ||
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[QUOTE]On March 17 2013 02:12 austinmcc wrote: stuff[QUOTE] have you never seen a town-marv with his confidence knocked before? when I'm absolutely certain on something and I'm wrong (rare but it happens) then I need time to get my confidence back and reorientate. [/QUOTE]I saw the combination of wrong reads + a cycle of yelling back and forth with VE. I believe that's the closest thing I've seen, and it was also a while back. yamato, you've got the wrong of this particular argument. There's SOME merit there, in that yes, you can use that as a general metric, and marv while joking around in themed didn't play his normal game (imo). But generally marv is decisive as BOTH alignments, and so, to the extent you find him a "wimpy baby," it's indicative oh him not playing like normal, rather than him being a particular alignment. | ||
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On March 17 2013 05:39 austinmcc wrote: I saw the combination of wrong reads + a cycle of yelling back and forth with VE. I believe that's the closest thing I've seen, and it was also a while back. yamato, you've got the wrong of this particular argument. There's SOME merit there, in that yes, you can use that as a general metric, and marv while joking around in themed didn't play his normal game (imo). But generally marv is decisive as BOTH alignments, and so, to the extent you find him a "wimpy baby," it's indicative oh him not playing like normal, rather than him being a particular alignment. | ||
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See that list? It's nobody. Nobody is saying that. What I am saying here is that "townmarv pushes lynches" AND "scummarv pushes lynches" are true. This is not a case of townmarv pushes lynches, marv isn't pushing lynches, marv is scum. This is a case of townmarv pushes lynches, scummarv pushes lynches, marv isn't pushing lynches, marv is | ||
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On March 17 2013 05:48 yamato77 wrote: Stop over-thinking this. This IS NOT town marvellosity. I know it for a fact. Quoted for later purposes. | ||
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Grrrrrrr. Mafia tricksy this game. That hapa case I posted isn't applicable to this game, at least not to any real extent, because he was mainly focused on marv being lazy after a string of scum games (not the case here) AND that was a D2 case to actually CATCH him before LYLO (not the case here). I was really hoping that someone to use that case to defend him a little, see if we could catch multiple folks today. No dice. YamatoI dunno right now whether you're town or scum. If you're town, go hunt NOT MARV. marv is caught. Commenting on it every 15 minutes does nothing, and 3/4 of the thread was super inactive today. I was hoping that someone would come out of the woodwork, defend marv, take the hapa bait, because we don't win this game by lynching marv. I guarantee you marv isn't all 5 scum players by himself. Yes, this is scum marv, but he's got buddies and we kind of have to catch them too, and just yelling that it's scum marv over and over and over doesn't do that. | ||
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Moreover, I don't really understand why scumHiro would do this. Most of the way through a day in which votes are spread out on 4 different people? Even if hiro and marv are scumbuddies and this is a big ploy to save him, mafia should have been able to push SOMEONE who isn't mafia given our activity this weekend and the number of targets available. | ||
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On March 18 2013 07:12 slOosh wrote: I haven't played with blue hiro before/enough to have a feel for it, but I don't think it's that odd. townread on marv, and he doesn't mention ANY read on vivax until today, where vivax is suddenly scum and hiro is voting for him. Seems consistent with a DT.@austin scum only need 1 mislynch in the game to win. They can do whatever they want without fear of repercussions if it means they get the final mislynch. Would townHiro do what he did? You're right about snb though, it's an odd choice for a D1 check. | ||
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For anyone not following the voting thread, we also have this: On March 18 2013 07:21 Stutters695 wrote: I'm torn between vivax and Marv. Seriously guys, we should be voting Cross for a free scumlynch which will buy us a day. We need to consolidate though so I'm going vivax for now. Going to weigh them though. On March 18 2013 07:27 Stutters695 wrote: Trying to fake emotion so we think you're actually town? On March 18 2013 07:18 Stutters695 wrote: ##vote: Vivax On March 18 2013 07:42 Stutters695 wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Marvellosity Check the timestamps: Votes vivax THEN posts that he's "torn between marv and vivax," but thinks we should be voting crossfire Then responds to vivax with an indication that he thinks vivax is mafia Then ninja votes marv | ||
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On March 18 2013 07:50 Crossfire99 wrote: Why is marv scum? Explain in detail cause I don't see it. marv is around at lylo. This should not be the case. EVEN IF he were town and wrong all game, he's one of the few, if not the only, remaining player who has been putting in effort and organizing town. Scum can't just rely on him being wrong forever, and if they took him out then town loses someone who puts in a ton of effort and is pushy with his votes - someone who is threatening to scum. I don't think Foolishness's case is slam-dunk, but as of today we know Foolishness was town. He was actually trying to trap marv and observe marv's reaction. I had Foolishness as scum, but we know that's not the case now. Nobody seems to be factoring this into things, but Foolishness's reads are now valid and worth considering. Some of it is personal stuff. There are some buddy-ish posts between marv and I, which I should have noticed more. Normally, if marv is town, we argue about a decent number of things. Here, I agreed with his Foolishness read, but he's been scummy on slOosh for a bit now and I've been townie. When marv is townie and I disagree with him, he's all over my ass for being an idiot (See: stupid ass LIX where marv is right about near EVERYTHING and I'm wrong about near EVERYTHING and he's calling me on it whenever I disagree with him). When marv is scum, he's often more buddyish and friendly, in my experience, at least towards me (again, this is specific-to-me stuff). We were together in a mason QT at the end of LV, friendly banter, and in Themed Mini he was kind of friendly and banter-y, although he was also just goofing off to some extent. All that explanation to say that marv has been more buddy-y with me this game than "austin is a dumbass," didn't get all up in my grill over our different slOosh reads, and ONLY started with the austin-is-an-idiot stuff today - + Show Spoiler + On March 17 2013 21:05 marvellosity wrote: Players like austin are pretty awful and can't get a read right to save their life. austin only thinks i'm mafia when i'm town, and thinks i'm town when i'm mafia, apparently. His only comment is "mafia tricksy this game". Pathetic. He obviously has a complete inability to even understand basic meta arguments. That quote itself was kind of telling for me. I'm awful, I can't get a read right to save my life, etc. I have maybe more than my share of bad bad games, but I don't think I've played overly poorly this one. At the very least, I haven't done stupid shit yet, and that sadly counts as not overly poorly for me. But marv has only turned on that acidity NOW, not when we disagreed about stuff before, only now. Those are the sort of posts he should have been directing at me all game if he were town when we disagreed on slOosh or on cora or on other topics. Another minor thing, and maybe specific to me, is marv's reaction to this day. I remember Movie Star Mini Mafia as a game where marv and VE were at each other's throats for just about a full cycle. 1/2 the thread was them spamming attacks at each other, blah blah blah. marv was a vig and shot VE, who flipped town. marv was mopey for a while after that, because he'd been wrong, that's what he referenced earlier today when asking if I'd seen him have to regroup after being so wrong about his strongest reads/entire theory of the game. But marv's response THAT game was to go balls-to-the-wall and try to solve the game before he got NKed the next day. There was a google doc full of thoughts, reads on people, etc. etc. I forget the exact scenario, but he basically went and figured out more or less who the mafia were, and more or less specifically who the mafia RB was. Or some power role. That was like the only target that town could kill and still have a chance, it was a SK game and without that iirc the game came down to mafia vs. sk and town couldn't win. Anyhow, marv's reaction THIS game is different. I HAVE seen him go dark and be unconfident after having a strong read come up wrong. But when that happened, he popped back and basically solved the game as best he could. Here, that has NOT happened, in the least. He points to the lack of confidence, hoping I recognize that as the same as another town game, but he doesn't seem to remember that his reaction was two-part that game, and the other part is lacking here. /breath So, a bunch of little things, and then the whole glaring he's-still-alive-D3/lylo-and-scum-is-shooting-people-who-aren't-going-to-take-over-town-like-he-can. | ||
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On March 18 2013 08:06 Acrofales wrote: I don't know what scum did. They may have shot Marv and it got DI killed. Or they roleblocked marv and shot DI. But it means that if Marv was alive on D2, he was guaranteed to be alive on D3. So yeah, policy lynch moved up a day due to obvious protective roles being obviously protecting Marv. If marv isn't lying about the RB and scum wanted to kill him, they could have RBed DI and killed marv... Either marv is lying about being RBed, or scum HAS a RB and could have used it to kill him. Either way, his surviving wasn't guaranteed. | ||
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On March 18 2013 08:17 marvellosity wrote: What is "this"? Being involved, having a very large filter?you're a really terrible, terrible player if you think i could pull this off as mafia i'm gonna mention it one more time, the longest filter in mafia history that i know of is my filter in hero (20) and I'm double that now. It's impossible for mafia to fake involvement for this long. Get a grip you stupid nonce. you're just waffling and paranoid and fucking stupid and you're not fucking stupid so it's very frustrating. You don't get modkilled for posting a bunch as mafia. You slip up and get caught, you can't keep your stories straight, catch scum, not look weird for organizing town yet never getting NKed, you out yourself as mafia. There's no inherent limit to your posting, it's just easier to not be particularly active. Plus, while it's VERY ODD for mafia to have an enormous filter, it's also VERY ODD for town to have a filter that long. I know you post a lot, are active, but that's a huge amount for 3 days, and if you were town and that much more vocal than everyone else, mafia would have shot you. Yeah, I'm paranoid about you. But there are a lot of little indicators that you're not town, and you're still alive. And if "I've been really active, can't be mafia" is all you've got to offer, then I'm not buying it, because a townie that active shouldn't still be alive, so it cuts both ways. | ||
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Death miller doesn't seem to be an option, because it's not just the color of the flip, his PM specifically notes he can suck up factional KP so he's actually not mafia. hiro probably lying. Vivax not just a politician, so a frame is unlikely, because either hiro is fakeclaiming or it would be some weird framer who gets to choose an alignment AND a role. No reason to bust into thread and do that unless marv mafia as well, marv had the vote-lead and nothing was happening, so I don't see why mafia hiro would do this to save townmarv and get vivax lynched. acro, hope things are well. | ||
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New thoughts were time-limited today. Here's yamato at the start of D3: On March 16 2013 19:53 yamato77 wrote: austinmcc - lots of lengthy analyses, and has played the most pro-town of anyone in the game. no reason to suspect him. Yamato during D3 does one thing and one thing only: Push marv. Incessantly, to the detriment of ANY other read, any other anything, marv marv marv marv marv is scum scum scum scum scum. Among other things, marv was scum because he is a "wimpy baby" and town marv is not said wimpy baby. You can poke around their filters for the full conversation, but general arguments - + Show Spoiler + On March 17 2013 05:29 yamato77 wrote: It says you have no fucking balls, no real reads. Where in my case do you give a conclusive opinion about someone's alignment not named Foolishness? Where do you continue pushing them, as town Marv would do? Town Marv is not a fucking wimpy baby who appeals to the opinion of confirmed townies. Town Marv is actively scumhunting and pushes real lynches. You have done none of that. You're not even doing it today. Your DP push is pathetic, limp-wristed. This is not town marvellosity. It's not a good argument. Neither town marv nor scum marv is a "wimpy baby." yamato SHOULD know this. If he doesn't know it, he can go look it up, he can trust anyone who is saying he's making a false distinction here, etc. But he doesn't. He continues to press that marv is a wimpy baby, townmarv isn't a wimpy baby, therefore, scum marv When I argue with him about that, remember, the guy who had the most pro-town posts at the start of the day, yamato responds with a variety of comments - + Show Spoiler + On March 17 2013 05:40 yamato77 wrote: Don't be dumb. You know town Marv is not a wimpy baby who doesn't even have reads. On March 17 2013 05:41 yamato77 wrote: SERIOUSLY HOW ARE YOU LETTING SCUM MARV TELL YOU HE DOESN'T PUSH LYNCHES AS TOWN WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK On March 17 2013 05:48 yamato77 wrote: This is a case of TOWN MARV USUALLY PUSHES LYNCHES THIS MARV HAS PUSHED ZERO LYNCHES ALL THE WAY THROUGH Stop over-thinking this. This IS NOT town marvellosity. I know it for a fact. On March 17 2013 05:52 yamato77 wrote: In just yesterday, he had me as his most pro-town poster. Then, because I was also voting marv but doing so for different reasons and because I didn't agree with the distinction he was making (and still don't...does ANYONE?), he thinks I'm mafia as well. Includes me in his scum team later on:Now I think you're mafia with him. Ugh, this game. On March 18 2013 02:43 yamato77 wrote: Hiro, Marv, Moc, Austin and either Acro or Cora depending on reality of his flip. yamato's reads bounce around. yamato tunnels. we tunneled each other momentarily the last game I played in with him. But this logic REALLY stinks, it's outside the norm. (1) austin is town, marv is scum (2) austin thinks marv is scum, but disagrees with ONE of my reasons (3) therefore, austin is scum with marv That makes no sense, especially when his reasoning was bs as to the baby point. What it reads like is that marv looks bad for still being around, and scum know that. They're starting to split on him, and yamato has taken an anti-marv stance, HARD, to the detriment of ANY actual scumhunting (if you check the full filter from yesterday, there are times where he accuses people of being scum, or of acting scummy, but he never really follows through on anything, doesn't do ANY analysis/hunting). But he still needs reads/mislynches/to look like he's doing something, so he flips himself from townie on me to scummy. Opens up more options for lynch, less people you have to agree with/talk to/not lynch. I hate that flip from him. It doesn't look like someone thinking critically about the game, it looks like someone tossing around reads with no basis (he may toss around a LOT of scumreads over the course of a game, but generally has better reasons). The D1 shot isn't conclusive for me either way, I've generally been throwing it out. But he's been skating for a while now, as townies who had him as very scummy turn up dead (still assuming cora was townie given our NKs last night). Beyond marv/hiropro, he's a good option. | ||
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Whoever invented the magic marker, if you're town, to need to push the boundaries of what you can invent today. If possible we need to be able to check multiple people, give someone parity checks or phoenix wright powers. Maybe something even more OP like a counterpart to Prince of Darkness power where we could go from day to day and skip the night phase? If you can get it by, we need it, because that would seem to be one of the only reasons the game hasn't ended if cora was town - that power can turn things around. Stay hidden, give us something strong. | ||
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On March 19 2013 11:11 Mocsta wrote: I thought the magic marker was for the death frame? See quote ^ If cora was scum, then we're 8/5. We're dead in the water barring a powerful role, or multiple powerful roles. One indicator that, whatever the magic marker did, we have a townie inventor - inventions = strange stuff and a chance for us to pull this one back. Paranoid thought is that we have something like Bill Murray the inventor, who can invent things that don't work the way he wants, malfunction after a short amount of time, can only invent scum-favored inventions, I dunno. Those things would run against him being one of the reasons we're still in this though, so I'm hopeful. | ||
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<3 reading gonzaw's obs posts. Really wish gonzaw or BH would have been real roles, they'd have been quite fun to get. sorry kita for not following through and going full troll at the end of D3. But at least I stayed true to your personality and SOMEHOW DID NOT GET ELECTED WHILE RUNNING FOR MAYOR UNOPPOSED. It was almost too perfect Also, I gotta know whether crossfire actually got his rb message or not. I was so proud to FINALLY get to post that video, because the stupid commercial song plays in my head every time I read a post of his. Overall, I guess enough has been said of how this game played out. From D2 onwards, we really just sat back and did some very minor pushing of buttons and let the thread go where it was going. I'm not certain whether that was a great call from us, would be interested in hearing thoughts from folks who weren't mafia this game. Apart from us all getting lazy D3 and pushing for the flawless, anything MAJOR that we slipped up in doing as a team? | ||
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"It's just you and me tonight, I whisper, as I put some sexy music on repeat and settle down onto the bed. The muscles inside the deepest, darkest part of you clench in the most delicious fashion. Your insides practically contort with potent, needy, liquid, desire. We pick up the rhythm...up, down, up, down...over and over...and it feels so...good. Between my panting breaths, the deep down brimming fullness...the vehement sensation pulsing through me that's building quickly, I watch you, our eyes lock, and I realize, finally...I got caught up in the Crossfire." | ||
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On March 20 2013 02:20 Crossfire99 wrote: lololol. Is that the music you really think of when you read my posts? That's hilarious. Any time I hear or read the word Crossfire, that song plays. Game looked so awesome to little-kid me. | ||
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On March 20 2013 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ah, thanks. Fueling the fire was definitely what I was trying to do, will have to work on hiding it better or just doing more than only that.I forget which post originally tipped me to you but It had a feeling of "off" Then I watched you and acro move through the thread doing near nothing but fueling the fire that vivax/marv had created. Given that You have been playing for awhile I was like "huh, even if austin was having an off game as town, hes not tunneling people and thus has no reason to only be looking into these obvious townies / ignoring the possibility DP/ver was red off of marvs check" From there it was a every post you made the more sure I was as you kept doing the same thing. However its extremely hard to catch what you were doing given near no townie was looking at any reads aside from marv's basically. Everyone sheeped and no one added real new content at any regular interval or attempted to really stop the spam. Gave mafia the perfect way to blend in without ever really being caught unless someone sat back and took a fresh perspective on the thread. This was the first game where I've had a scumteam to interact with and worry about, not yet comfortable with how to play around scumbuddies. Especially the DP/ver bit (I don't think I even MENTIONED DP, and certainly not after a point, because I didn't see any way around calling him scum and it seemed like we could win without having to lynch him). | ||
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On March 20 2013 04:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You note that I've played for a bit now (and have off games). I know I feel that I have particularly bad reads when looking at new players, or some players that I've been in a few games with but just can't a good feel for. Would this just be less-telling-but-probably-scummy had I been newer?It is a hard thing to realize you could be doing more when the tactic your using is doing so well. Again it was something near no one noticed so you did extremely well at it. I think it was only obvious to me given that I was dead and able to take more time thinking about posts people made compared to the slaving through it that everyone else had to. | ||
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austinmcc
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On March 20 2013 05:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote: All makes sense.Its something I would have had to analyze more had you been newer. Much like you I find players who have established themselves in a way easier to read as they don't change their style as much. They might get better reads / analytical skills but overall once you have say 10ish games under your belt of mafia or town you tend to have a "style" you gravitate towards. It was overall that your play to my eye felt not at all like the town you I expect to see. Quality of reads doesn't bother me so much as we all have good / bad ones. However seeing someone sheep marv so hard when marv was so obviously on tilt is odd. Thanks for the advice here, and for the posts from both you and foolishness in obs. | ||
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austinmcc
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On March 20 2013 05:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I didn't make the long journey back to the start of scum QT, but I feel like we laid out a couple options and ended up just wanting you dead. Bus driver was not expected, but we wanted to shut down anything your role might have as far as keeping you up. I give you guys insane props though. You guys really did do a good job keeping the few players that could stomp on you preoccupied / shot the ones who could potentially have nailed you. Rb on me was not what I expected in the least. Figured i had goaded a bullet out of you but not the rb ;p On March 20 2013 05:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Yeah, some lessons learned. My only scum games before were Aperture 2 with HiroPro, where we lost our third member on the first day with Hiro providing a key vote to lynch him, so I never had to deal with a scummy-looking teammate, and then CT where I replaced in and things were already going way downhill for scum.not a problem. I find playing as scum a very fun change of pace given my style. I know its not the easiest thing for everyone to do but I really enjoy taking control of the town and getting them to move at my pace / will for as long as possible. You guys did this differently then I would have likely but the end result and the willingness to try and improve are what matters in the long run. I know it's a bit different in a themed game than a normal, but nice to get a more full idea of what it's like playing from the start with a full team. | ||
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austinmcc
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On March 20 2013 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Your posts all made sense and you looked town. I think it was less identifying you as having dangerous reads and more identifying that it was going to be difficult to keep you from being a consensus town read and being able to organize anything. This game had enough respected town players that N1 shots couldn't be on reputation alone, we had to frickin' leave Foolishness alive N1 just because he'd been so absent and so wasn't as clearly town as you and others, and hope it didn't bite us in the butt.Given how dodgy my town performance is past day 2 I am surprised at how much people fear me now -_- I honestly don't think my town play is very strong but you guys keep shooting me d1 lol On day 1 the only one of your team I had correctly pinned was ver and given that he was not performing or helping you guys in the least letting him die / finding a way to take credit for that death would have made 1-2 of you look amazing (note I have purposely arranged town kp / role use on killing a inactive mafia before as a gf). | ||
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On March 20 2013 05:31 Promethelax wrote: Yeah. Combination of being busy at work, being an idiot with ANY power role (not just as blue), and getting overconfident. It worked for us, but I spent all of D3 being paranoid that I was so obviously avoiding the DP issue and the downsides to "policy lynching." Yeah, you guys going for the flawless is what really made it obvious who you all were. I had Hiro/DP/Acro based on thread and Moc based on PMs but Austin really completed the quifecta (what would you call that?) quite obviously in the thread. Now I certainly think I was aided by being dead and not having to interact with everyone but I had austin as town for a while before that so good job to him. Glad that nothing ever came of you/mocsta. There may have been other concerns that just being in mason chat with him, but you were such a smaller presence on D2, which we needed. Having to constrain your posts made you post a lot more simply/clear, and in a game that was so spammy that was something that everyone needed and rallied around, one thing that I think made you such a consensus townread. Getting less of those posts throughout D2 and having your visible activity drop so much was a big help to us, especially when there was no indication that you were masoned with mocsta, found him scummy, were his co-host, etc., helping us cover up the kill flavor announcement. | ||
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On March 20 2013 05:36 HiroPro wrote: Not relevant to the N1 choices, but there were a lot of posts I really liked in this game, yet I kept this one open in a special tab for a while:the reason we blocked bc over super was because super was wrong about everything. bc had a clear focus on ver and seemed to have some kind of plan. On March 15 2013 10:08 supersoft wrote: That's what you get when you're killing me and don't make sure I am fucking dead: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Xt4izeC.jpg) austinmcc Acrofales yamato77 Dandel Ion marvellosity Ver strongandbig Oatsmaster Promethelax Vivax Mocsta iamperfection Stutters695 HiroPro (if foolish is town. Kill him) slOosh Crossfire99 risk.nuke prplhz Foolishness cDgCorazon + Show Spoiler + boldgreen = damn sure town green = pretty sure town italic green = should be town italic red = could be scum red = should be scum boldred = gotta be scum this list should be damn accurate. Sadly it's only day2 and I am no magician. If my boldreds keep falling, this should be the way to go. I had no time to write up reasons for every position, because I analyzed the game during the last 30 hours, when I had time in between university lectures and other stuff I had to do... and I only wrote most of my notes only on paper. If you need something or have questions... I'll be around for a little bit...  | ||
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The Mr. Wiggles role is one of my favorites from the game. I like the idea of a role that can reward or punish the player based MOSTLY on what that player does. I'd be kind of interested in roles like that but where some of the powers aren't one-shot (one-shot vet powers always seem way less useful/more swingy than one-shot medic/investigative/etc.). Maybe something like a cop who gets different sanity checks back based on an input? Just something neat where a role can be more or less powerful than the french vanilla equivalent depending on some other factor. Thanks for the write-up and the thoughts on the roles. | ||
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