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On March 12 2013 04:28 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Austin:
How many electoral votes do you need to be elected?
If elected, what is your long-term plan for this town? I do not know how many votes, only that I feel compelled to run for office. I must do so.
Long-term plan is simple, win the game. I want to lynch WBG today, hopefully get some vig shots into our useless players/lurkers/folks hiding only behind personalities (last one reads "Crossfire").
Mid-term, I don't think we can do anything other than figuring out which currently-useless vets are to be trusted, and which aren't. Depending on their activity and how that goes, that could possibly take us into D3. We have a lot of big names. We have a lot of nothing. I expect there will be some activity and some "game-solving," and discussion will naturally turn towards figuring out what to trust there.
Long long-term, I want to have lynched all the scum so I can start speculating wildly about third parties and stupid crap like that. However, I will attempt to hold that in until later.
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On March 12 2013 04:34 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 04:31 supersoft wrote:
addtion to B) 2. the claim was probably unnecessary, a more likely option would have been to not claim. but who know what possibilities there are to detect the personalitly of a player. this is what I can't get over, whether there are possibilities for discovering the personality of a player or not. if he's playing like mafia in a couple of days time then he can be lynched still. i just don't understand the risk. say there are roles that can find out personalities or even role PMs. yamato has made himself a prime cop check candidate. If he's town, are mafia just gonna frame him every night? well, good.
yes thats true.
On March 12 2013 04:35 marvellosity wrote:
as you know supersoft, yamato was lynched in our last game as mafia for not doing anything and disappearing. this doesn't feel like that at all.
and thats also true.
but the delay is also strange. and the timing is - in my opinion - only wrong for a townie. So wrong I want to cry.
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On March 12 2013 04:39 Vivax wrote:I actually do believe that the mod-confirmation came from yamato himself as part of the role, the problem is simply the timing, the choice of targets and the process before. If he was town he would have poked more or pushed people instead he chose a dude roleplaying a troll in a crossfire of accusations who asked to be lynched. A perfect target for scum with a role that could probably only shoot day 1 (that's my assumption). I have to be honest I don't have strong scumreads yet aside from him and keep searching for other options but yamato is a guy who I don't want around with all these doubts about him and some weird defences that don't seem to make sense. No stupid things, we go the safe way and lynch the guy who killed town D1 without any remorse. He should be lynched today 
do you think yamato was compelled to claim his shot?
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On March 12 2013 04:31 austinmcc wrote:Hmmmm. Citizen, why the sudden activity? Despite earlier looking like you were with me on crossfire, you never voted. Either for him to be lynched or for me to be mayor (why is nobody voting me for mayor?). Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 02:56 Stutters695 wrote:On March 12 2013 02:01 marvellosity wrote:On March 12 2013 02:00 Stutters695 wrote:
Right now crossfire. This feels just like his mtg2 play without the scum claim due to different mechanics.
I did miss the last ten pages or so due to sleep so I'm going to catch up on those now but I'd vote cross 100% right now. ok, i get that. Tell me what you think of bugs and slOosh. Bugs I don't know. I've never seen him play like this but his posts are really fucking dense (I'm assuming this is role related) and don't really say much. From my experiences with him (LIX and YANMM) I was expecting a tunneled push on someone and calling anyone who disagreed bad. I assumed he's good enough though that his scumplay wouldn't be this different. If anyone has a suggestion on a couple of his scumgames I'd love to check them. He seems like a good lynch but I'd pick cross over him. Sloosh I've never played with period but his few posts are so safe it's unreal. If he's wrong about Yamato he's fine because it still makes sense to lynch and if he's right he gets huge town cred for nothing. I saw someone said this is what he does so I wouldn't be adverse to a policy lynch or vig shot. I don't think either are as sure as Crossfire but I'd definitely go Sloosh if people can't be convinced of Cross. Bugs I think we can definitely get something if value out of. Here you pick a swath of folks who are being talked of, and yeah, they're scummy. But that's been mentioned. You were scummy on cross over the rest, but didn't vote. You thought we could get "value" out of bugs, with no explanation of what that means. Now you're asking about my feelings on bugs and taking a stance on yamato. I read your LIX filter. Where are your thoughts? What are your feelings on me for mayor, or having a mayor? Why is your vote on nobody, and where is your head at on bugs?
That post was a direct response to Marv after I claimed Kenpachi, I just dropped my vote on Cross. I want to know if you think Bugs is a surefire hit and if not why you would vote him over Cross when you say "cross continues to be scum."
Your responses will determine what I think of you as a mayor, in general I'm not a fan of mayors because unless they hit scum they're blatant mislynch bait, but you can't really know. I said my thoughts on bugs, I think Crossfire is 100% scum because of that I'd rather wait and see with Bugs but his play definitely isn't up to what I expect from him. I would back a Bugs lynch if I can't convince town of a crossfire lynch,since his return I really haven't seen the town traits I've seen from his previous games.
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Marv I know you usually have early scumreads and push them as town, now you prefer to hard-defend yamato and aren't dead set on an own read, let that guy defend himself, defend him with your vote please.
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On March 12 2013 04:41 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 04:31 austinmcc wrote:Hmmmm. Citizen, why the sudden activity? Despite earlier looking like you were with me on crossfire, you never voted. Either for him to be lynched or for me to be mayor (why is nobody voting me for mayor?). On March 12 2013 02:56 Stutters695 wrote:On March 12 2013 02:01 marvellosity wrote:On March 12 2013 02:00 Stutters695 wrote:
Right now crossfire. This feels just like his mtg2 play without the scum claim due to different mechanics.
I did miss the last ten pages or so due to sleep so I'm going to catch up on those now but I'd vote cross 100% right now. ok, i get that. Tell me what you think of bugs and slOosh. Bugs I don't know. I've never seen him play like this but his posts are really fucking dense (I'm assuming this is role related) and don't really say much. From my experiences with him (LIX and YANMM) I was expecting a tunneled push on someone and calling anyone who disagreed bad. I assumed he's good enough though that his scumplay wouldn't be this different. If anyone has a suggestion on a couple of his scumgames I'd love to check them. He seems like a good lynch but I'd pick cross over him. Sloosh I've never played with period but his few posts are so safe it's unreal. If he's wrong about Yamato he's fine because it still makes sense to lynch and if he's right he gets huge town cred for nothing. I saw someone said this is what he does so I wouldn't be adverse to a policy lynch or vig shot. I don't think either are as sure as Crossfire but I'd definitely go Sloosh if people can't be convinced of Cross. Bugs I think we can definitely get something if value out of. Here you pick a swath of folks who are being talked of, and yeah, they're scummy. But that's been mentioned. You were scummy on cross over the rest, but didn't vote. You thought we could get "value" out of bugs, with no explanation of what that means. Now you're asking about my feelings on bugs and taking a stance on yamato. I read your LIX filter. Where are your thoughts? What are your feelings on me for mayor, or having a mayor? Why is your vote on nobody, and where is your head at on bugs? That post was a direct response to Marv after I claimed Kenpachi, I just dropped my vote on Cross. I want to know if you think Bugs is a surefire hit and if not why you would vote him over Cross when you say "cross continues to be scum." Your responses will determine what I think of you as a mayor, in general I'm not a fan of mayors because unless they hit scum they're blatant mislynch bait, but you can't really know. I said my thoughts on bugs, I think Crossfire is 100% scum because of that I'd rather wait and see with Bugs but his play definitely isn't up to what I expect from him. I would back a Bugs lynch if I can't convince town of a crossfire lynch,since his return I really haven't seen the town traits I've seen from his previous games. Cross is scum but is not messing with the thread. Bugs is scum and is messing with the thread, and more importantly, the thread is preoccupied with him (and a couple others).
I would rather lynch the distraction today. Crossfire can be vigged or something hopefully. But between the two, the thread is going to be better and more productive for town if we get rid of bugs now and don't have him around overnight. There is a LOT going on, and I'd rather take care of the scum that is tying up a lot of town's thoughts.
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On March 12 2013 04:41 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 04:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 12 2013 04:31 supersoft wrote:
addtion to B) 2. the claim was probably unnecessary, a more likely option would have been to not claim. but who know what possibilities there are to detect the personalitly of a player. this is what I can't get over, whether there are possibilities for discovering the personality of a player or not. if he's playing like mafia in a couple of days time then he can be lynched still. i just don't understand the risk. say there are roles that can find out personalities or even role PMs. yamato has made himself a prime cop check candidate. If he's town, are mafia just gonna frame him every night? well, good. yes thats true. Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 04:35 marvellosity wrote:
as you know supersoft, yamato was lynched in our last game as mafia for not doing anything and disappearing. this doesn't feel like that at all. and thats also true. but the delay is also strange. and the timing is - in my opinion - only wrong for a townie. So wrong I want to cry.
Assume yamato is in a team with really good guys that are coaching him how to play, cause it's not an unlikely option in a game with such players.
Saying someone is a cop check candidate as a reason to not lynch him is really weird. Didn't I read something about MZ being GF in some game?
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On March 12 2013 04:41 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 04:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 12 2013 04:31 supersoft wrote:
addtion to B) 2. the claim was probably unnecessary, a more likely option would have been to not claim. but who know what possibilities there are to detect the personalitly of a player. this is what I can't get over, whether there are possibilities for discovering the personality of a player or not. if he's playing like mafia in a couple of days time then he can be lynched still. i just don't understand the risk. say there are roles that can find out personalities or even role PMs. yamato has made himself a prime cop check candidate. If he's town, are mafia just gonna frame him every night? well, good. yes thats true. Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 04:35 marvellosity wrote:
as you know supersoft, yamato was lynched in our last game as mafia for not doing anything and disappearing. this doesn't feel like that at all. and thats also true. but the delay is also strange. and the timing is - in my opinion - only wrong for a townie. So wrong I want to cry.
yuh, i agree. i think town-yamato is WAY more impulsive than mafia-yamato, though.
I think he is town but I'm not certain of this fact. But there's enough there that makes me not want to lynch him today. Vivax/you/slOosh are right - it IS a good scumshot. There's no denying that. Still dunno why he claimed that shit though. And if it was actually a planned mafia-move, I would have expected a more concise, well thought through explanation.
Remember that slOosh was talking about when he fake-claimed vigilante in Bureaucracy? Look at the difference - slOosh took however long he took constructing a post to look as good as he could make it to try to give his claim legitimacy. That's what a scumclaim like that usually looks like. yamato's is shit and all over the place, like it's not planned at all.
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On March 12 2013 04:45 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 04:41 supersoft wrote:On March 12 2013 04:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 12 2013 04:31 supersoft wrote:
addtion to B) 2. the claim was probably unnecessary, a more likely option would have been to not claim. but who know what possibilities there are to detect the personalitly of a player. this is what I can't get over, whether there are possibilities for discovering the personality of a player or not. if he's playing like mafia in a couple of days time then he can be lynched still. i just don't understand the risk. say there are roles that can find out personalities or even role PMs. yamato has made himself a prime cop check candidate. If he's town, are mafia just gonna frame him every night? well, good. yes thats true. On March 12 2013 04:35 marvellosity wrote:
as you know supersoft, yamato was lynched in our last game as mafia for not doing anything and disappearing. this doesn't feel like that at all. and thats also true. but the delay is also strange. and the timing is - in my opinion - only wrong for a townie. So wrong I want to cry. Assume yamato is in a team with really good guys that are coaching him how to play, cause it's not an unlikely option in a game with such players. Saying someone is a cop check candidate as a reason to not lynch him is really weird. Didn't I read something about MZ being GF in some game?
yes in that bang bang he was GF and he dayvigged me directly after I dayvigged one of his fellows :-D
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On March 12 2013 04:42 Vivax wrote:
Marv I know you usually have early scumreads and push them as town, now you prefer to hard-defend yamato and aren't dead set on an own read, let that guy defend himself, defend him with your vote please.
You're taking a chance on a lynch because of a vig shot rather than him being the scummiest person. He's active and thus will reveal himself. What do you think of Crossfire, WBG or slOosh? Surely they're scummier than Yamato if you ignore the vigshot?
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marv, say I put you on the police force of my fine town which you should elect me mayor of.
Do you use your check on yamato tonight?
(note: I don't put anybody on a police force. This is hypothetical, just less dumb than my normal hypotheticals)
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@supersoft
The time between Kurumi voting himself and the shot is 15 minutes. His trolling prior wasn't anything beyond what other players were doing too.
On March 11 2013 06:46 Kurumi wrote:
okay so it seems I got a scum role and I am town
burn me because if I ever fucking turn mole I will throw something heavy out of my room
##vote Kurumi On March 11 2013 06:59 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 05:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
Hmmm...guess who has decided to lurk now that other targets are being hunted? Yamato and Acro...
##Vote: Yamato
Gonna start scumhunting? i'm at work you asshat it's in my filter What I will do is solve this Kurumi problem right now.
@marv,
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400204¤tpage=49#970
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400204¤tpage=51#1008
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400204¤tpage=51#1015
Stop calling it a theory please. I came to the conclusion with behavioral analysis and not some paranoia as your word choice seems to imply.
On March 12 2013 04:33 yamato77 wrote:
Your tunnel of me does nothing but confirm the fact that you're red.
What do you do if you're successful in getting me lynched and people realize your reasoning was total ass?
I see a lot of "confirmed reds" in your filter. Good job pushing none of them. Oh, also good job trying to convince a red that his reasoning is "total ass".
@Prom
I don't have to know exactly how his role works - that's not important. Maybe the check is a prerequesite for the shot. Maybe a scum member had an ability in this. I don't know and I don't care, because it's just one independent point in my total case.
I've presented why I think yamato is scum (refer to posts above to marv and my filter). No one but supersoft has engaged in honest discussion of this.
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On March 12 2013 04:47 austinmcc wrote:
marv, say I put you on the police force of my fine town which you should elect me mayor of.
Do you use your check on yamato tonight?
(note: I don't put anybody on a police force. This is hypothetical, just less dumb than my normal hypotheticals)
not in the slightest
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I've been extremely open in my discussion of this, slOosh, you just don't like what i have to say.
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On March 12 2013 04:49 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 04:47 austinmcc wrote:
marv, say I put you on the police force of my fine town which you should elect me mayor of.
Do you use your check on yamato tonight?
(note: I don't put anybody on a police force. This is hypothetical, just less dumb than my normal hypotheticals) not in the slightest Right answer, but I don't like not arguing with you.
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On March 12 2013 04:52 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 04:49 marvellosity wrote:On March 12 2013 04:47 austinmcc wrote:
marv, say I put you on the police force of my fine town which you should elect me mayor of.
Do you use your check on yamato tonight?
(note: I don't put anybody on a police force. This is hypothetical, just less dumb than my normal hypotheticals) not in the slightest Right answer, but I don't like not arguing with you.
then.... yes, of course I check yamato.
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On March 12 2013 04:50 marvellosity wrote:
I've been extremely open in my discussion of this, slOosh, you just don't like what i have to say.
cuz you still haven't mentioned anything about my behavioral analysis points
so yea, not honest
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well marv. If you have that role as scum.
You modconfirm and kill the targets delayed. This modconfirming looks kind of townish, because it's just unnecessary in the first place as scum. But you can use that unnecessary power to your advantage if you claim.
However yamato didn't play the "why would scum have that ability"-card enough yet...
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On March 12 2013 04:54 supersoft wrote:
well marv. If you have that role as scum.
You modconfirm and kill the targets delayed. This modconfirming looks kind of townish, because it's just unnecessary in the first place as scum. But you can use that unnecessary power to your advantage if you claim.
However yamato didn't play the "why would scum have that ability"-card enough yet...
why claim in such a shitty, "this looks totally unplanned unlike slOosh in bureaucracy" way though :/
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Could we get an updated vote count?
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