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On March 12 2013 04:19 Vivax wrote:
SlOosh has my full support in the yamato matter I actually can't get rid of the feeling the guy is mafia and if he was interested in making Kurumi readable: I was pushing that matter and made him post normally before he was shot, yamato didn't help at all trying to do that he preferred to pull the trigger on a guy who seemed to be under heavy suspicion at the time.
As to marv's question why yamato claimed: Me and someone else said it was probably him after the shot cause he repeatedly announced that he would take steps against Kurumi and (I think that's how his role works cause an invisible dayvig is OP and I've only seen that in LVIII where it was so strong I had a super fun time shooting you bitches out of nowhere, good times) well, it looks to me like he doesn't mention that part of his role cause it's convenient for him since people like you argue he can't be mafia cause of that.
Any other explanation for claiming dayvig on his own is stupid, especially the way he did, cause even after the announcement where he should've known Kurumi was town, he posted in a dickish way.
And the contradiction slOosh mentioned is pretty damning looks to me like yamato is throwing reads around without really believing what he says in that case.
Yamato is also posting and readable. Is it worth lynching him when he's putting himself under so much pressure over someone who is clearly scummy as shit? You can WIFOM about this all day but there are better targets than focusing on someone who shot a reasonable shot. If you believe his claim that his shot caused the modconfirm or not is definitely debatable, but surely you can see the doubt when he could have shot someone like me while I was trolling and no one would have blinked an eye and it still would have generated town-cred.
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On March 12 2013 04:21 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 04:19 slOosh wrote:
I don't trust yamato's mouth. All I see, and all anyone from a town p.o.v. shoud see is that kita modconfirms Kurumi as town, and then 2 hours later modconfirmed town Kurumi gets shot.
On the most basic of levels, a town yamato means there is a role that checks someone and if they are green they get shot some time (2 hours) later. Clearly the shot did not immediately follow the check, cause if it did Kurumi would have died right then and there. I mean, you caught me with this kind of bs in bureaucracy when I pretended to be vig right? How is this claim so easily believable?
As for "is yamato a good enough scum to pull it off" - there are many experienced players in this game and it's not too hard to see some on being scum team.
so in your little theory yamato makes the choice to shoot the one mod-confirmed townie?
No need to be condescending.
Is "yamato couldn't pull this off" the sole reason for your town read on him? Big enough to excuse any and everything scummy about his play?
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oh bloody one, I would like to know who you would like me to maul.
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@Austin:
How many electoral votes do you need to be elected?
If elected, what is your long-term plan for this town?
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@slOosh: Its not enough of an excuse IMO to ignore the scummy parts, but it is enough to not have the lynch be a tossup over some significantly more scummy people.
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On March 12 2013 04:27 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 04:21 marvellosity wrote:On March 12 2013 04:19 slOosh wrote:
I don't trust yamato's mouth. All I see, and all anyone from a town p.o.v. shoud see is that kita modconfirms Kurumi as town, and then 2 hours later modconfirmed town Kurumi gets shot.
On the most basic of levels, a town yamato means there is a role that checks someone and if they are green they get shot some time (2 hours) later. Clearly the shot did not immediately follow the check, cause if it did Kurumi would have died right then and there. I mean, you caught me with this kind of bs in bureaucracy when I pretended to be vig right? How is this claim so easily believable?
As for "is yamato a good enough scum to pull it off" - there are many experienced players in this game and it's not too hard to see some on being scum team.
so in your little theory yamato makes the choice to shoot the one mod-confirmed townie? No need to be condescending. Is "yamato couldn't pull this off" the sole reason for your town read on him? Big enough to excuse any and everything scummy about his play?
it wasn't being condescending, it was a genuine question which you've not confirmed for me.
I'm asking, is that what your theory of what he did rests on.
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interesting. Vivax agrees with me. Marv, what do you think? What is more reasonable:
A) Yamato is green
1. Role works like that:
He is Meapak_Ziph and he can check players:
If they're red, the thread knows.
If they're green they die delayed
2. his decisionmaking is like this:
reasonable:
Kurumi is talking complete bullshit and playing against his wincondition. (What he did made no sense. Even a mole who switches sides doesnt want himself getting killed. It lowers his personal chances of winning.)
He blocked the thread with his shit for roughly 1 hour?
stupid:
we had 30 hours of the day left
Why check Kurumi today. He claimed to be green and turn red tomorrow. Why not check him tomorrow?
B) Yamato is scum
1. His role:
Meapak_ziph, red dayvig like in the game yamato quoted himself (bang bang mafia)
the check is kind of strange and unnecessary for scum...
2. His motivation
see slooshs Ace-quote.
decent scummove.
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On March 12 2013 04:23 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 04:19 slOosh wrote:
I don't trust yamato's mouth. All I see, and all anyone from a town p.o.v. shoud see is that kita modconfirms Kurumi as town, and then 2 hours later modconfirmed town Kurumi gets shot.
On the most basic of levels, a town yamato means there is a role that checks someone and if they are green they get shot some time (2 hours) later. Clearly the shot did not immediately follow the check, cause if it did Kurumi would have died right then and there. I mean, you caught me with this kind of bs in bureaucracy when I pretended to be vig right? How is this claim so easily believable?
As for "is yamato a good enough scum to pull it off" - there are many experienced players in this game and it's not too hard to see some on being scum team.
why not believe his role confirms who it shoots no one else has popped up to claim Kitaman's toots If no one else claims the announcement I see no reason for your denouncement of Yam besides that his shot was poop.
I'm not saying that the modconfirm ability isn't his, I'm saying on the most basic of levels that a role that says "you modconfirm the player and then 2 hours later they get shot" is fricken suspect. Add onto that the suspicious elements of his play that I've pointed out, then "is yamato a good enough scum to pull it off" isn't a good reason to give him a pass.
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Leyts kiill; thes slosh. Hew snkaing noois real at all. Fsake i say.
#Unove
##Voite sloish
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addtion to B) 2. the claim was probably unnecessary, a more likely option would have been to not claim. but who know what possibilities there are to detect the personalitly of a player.
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Hmmmm. Citizen, why the sudden activity? Despite earlier looking like you were with me on crossfire, you never voted. Either for him to be lynched or for me to be mayor (why is nobody voting me for mayor?).
On March 12 2013 02:56 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 02:01 marvellosity wrote:On March 12 2013 02:00 Stutters695 wrote:
Right now crossfire. This feels just like his mtg2 play without the scum claim due to different mechanics.
I did miss the last ten pages or so due to sleep so I'm going to catch up on those now but I'd vote cross 100% right now. ok, i get that. Tell me what you think of bugs and slOosh. Bugs I don't know. I've never seen him play like this but his posts are really fucking dense (I'm assuming this is role related) and don't really say much. From my experiences with him (LIX and YANMM) I was expecting a tunneled push on someone and calling anyone who disagreed bad. I assumed he's good enough though that his scumplay wouldn't be this different. If anyone has a suggestion on a couple of his scumgames I'd love to check them. He seems like a good lynch but I'd pick cross over him. Sloosh I've never played with period but his few posts are so safe it's unreal. If he's wrong about Yamato he's fine because it still makes sense to lynch and if he's right he gets huge town cred for nothing. I saw someone said this is what he does so I wouldn't be adverse to a policy lynch or vig shot. I don't think either are as sure as Crossfire but I'd definitely go Sloosh if people can't be convinced of Cross. Bugs I think we can definitely get something if value out of. Here you pick a swath of folks who are being talked of, and yeah, they're scummy. But that's been mentioned. You were scummy on cross over the rest, but didn't vote. You thought we could get "value" out of bugs, with no explanation of what that means.
Now you're asking about my feelings on bugs and taking a stance on yamato. I read your LIX filter. Where are your thoughts? What are your feelings on me for mayor, or having a mayor? Why is your vote on nobody, and where is your head at on bugs?
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On March 12 2013 04:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
oh bloody one, I would like to know who you would like me to maul.
BC doesn't seem to want to talk about anything that isn't Foolishness/ver/slOosh. Why petition him?
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On March 12 2013 04:30 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 04:23 Promethelax wrote:On March 12 2013 04:19 slOosh wrote:
I don't trust yamato's mouth. All I see, and all anyone from a town p.o.v. shoud see is that kita modconfirms Kurumi as town, and then 2 hours later modconfirmed town Kurumi gets shot.
On the most basic of levels, a town yamato means there is a role that checks someone and if they are green they get shot some time (2 hours) later. Clearly the shot did not immediately follow the check, cause if it did Kurumi would have died right then and there. I mean, you caught me with this kind of bs in bureaucracy when I pretended to be vig right? How is this claim so easily believable?
As for "is yamato a good enough scum to pull it off" - there are many experienced players in this game and it's not too hard to see some on being scum team.
why not believe his role confirms who it shoots no one else has popped up to claim Kitaman's toots If no one else claims the announcement I see no reason for your denouncement of Yam besides that his shot was poop. I'm not saying that the modconfirm ability isn't his, I'm saying on the most basic of levels that a role that says "you modconfirm the player and then 2 hours later they get shot" is fricken suspect. Add onto that the suspicious elements of his play that I've pointed out, then "is yamato a good enough scum to pull it off" isn't a good reason to give him a pass.
Your tunnel of me does nothing but confirm the fact that you're red.
What do you do if you're successful in getting me lynched and people realize your reasoning was total ass?
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On March 12 2013 04:31 supersoft wrote:
addtion to B) 2. the claim was probably unnecessary, a more likely option would have been to not claim. but who know what possibilities there are to detect the personalitly of a player.
this is what I can't get over, whether there are possibilities for discovering the personality of a player or not. if he's playing like mafia in a couple of days time then he can be lynched still. i just don't understand the risk.
say there are roles that can find out personalities or even role PMs. yamato has made himself a prime cop check candidate. If he's town, are mafia just gonna frame him every night? well, good.
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On March 11 2013 23:16 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Yamato:
1. If you had no choice, why was there a delay in between the announcement that Kurumi was town and Kurumi was shot? That part makes no sense.
2. Do you have only one shot/check?
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as you know supersoft, yamato was lynched in our last game as mafia for not doing anything and disappearing. this doesn't feel like that at all.
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On March 12 2013 04:30 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 04:23 Promethelax wrote:On March 12 2013 04:19 slOosh wrote:
I don't trust yamato's mouth. All I see, and all anyone from a town p.o.v. shoud see is that kita modconfirms Kurumi as town, and then 2 hours later modconfirmed town Kurumi gets shot.
On the most basic of levels, a town yamato means there is a role that checks someone and if they are green they get shot some time (2 hours) later. Clearly the shot did not immediately follow the check, cause if it did Kurumi would have died right then and there. I mean, you caught me with this kind of bs in bureaucracy when I pretended to be vig right? How is this claim so easily believable?
As for "is yamato a good enough scum to pull it off" - there are many experienced players in this game and it's not too hard to see some on being scum team.
why not believe his role confirms who it shoots no one else has popped up to claim Kitaman's toots If no one else claims the announcement I see no reason for your denouncement of Yam besides that his shot was poop. I'm not saying that the modconfirm ability isn't his, I'm saying on the most basic of levels that a role that says "you modconfirm the player and then 2 hours later they get shot" is fricken suspect. Add onto that the suspicious elements of his play that I've pointed out, then "is yamato a good enough scum to pull it off" isn't a good reason to give him a pass.
but your other option is that mod-cofirm and shot are unrelated
or why with Yam as scum would Kurumi's confirmation be fated
that would be terrible play
"go ahead make my day"
-Yam, shooting a man he confirmed to the town, related.
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On March 12 2013 04:32 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 04:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
oh bloody one, I would like to know who you would like me to maul.
BC doesn't seem to want to talk about anything that isn't Foolishness/ver/slOosh. Why petition him?
also i completely debunked his point on iamp by actually providing a quote from a town iamp game, and he's decided to selectively ignore that.
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On March 12 2013 04:36 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 04:32 austinmcc wrote:On March 12 2013 04:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
oh bloody one, I would like to know who you would like me to maul.
BC doesn't seem to want to talk about anything that isn't Foolishness/ver/slOosh. Why petition him? also i completely debunked his point on iamp by actually providing a quote from a town iamp game, and he's decided to selectively ignore that.
thanks for that by the way
when he asked I thought: hey
I don't keep evidence in my back pocket
but my man marv shot up like a rocket
saying "look here it is, clear as day!"
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I actually do believe that the mod-confirmation came from yamato himself as part of the role, the problem is simply the timing, the choice of targets and the process before. If he was town he would have poked more or pushed people instead he chose a dude roleplaying a troll in a crossfire of accusations who asked to be lynched. A perfect target for scum with a role that could probably only shoot day 1 (that's my assumption).
I have to be honest I don't have strong scumreads yet aside from him and keep searching for other options but yamato is a guy who I don't want around with all these doubts about him and some weird defences that don't seem to make sense.
No stupid things, we go the safe way and lynch the guy who killed town D1 without any remorse.
He should be lynched today 
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