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On March 13 2013 02:49 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote:On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote: Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it? foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum. like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened. I thought you were pretty levelheaded and townie at the time, but this post is not making sense to me. WBG's role was survivor, not scum aligned. His powers were meh. Unless you are talking about Kurumi, in which case he was town aligned, not scum aligned at all. The impression I got from Yamato is that he knew all along what his power would do. Now, why would scum get a DT check? It makes no sense. Even if it is combined with a dayvig. Either Yamato is lying about how his power works, or he is town. The role makes NO sense for scum.
I'm pretty wary of this argument. Just because it makes no sense, it doesn't mean that it's in fact not the case ;p
there's enough other reasons to make a read of the situation one way or another without worrying whether a role makes sense for a particular alignment.
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On March 13 2013 02:51 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 02:45 marvellosity wrote:On March 13 2013 02:43 HiroPro wrote:On March 13 2013 02:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Crossfire. Who has links for me? I'm not familiar with his play, and I don't know what games he's played. He played in Aperture 2, it was kind of a weird game and he was a member of a hidden 2nd scum team. Whose Line Is It Anyway - town Themed Mafia - mafia MTG 2 - mafia the main reason I (we? everyone?) didn't lynch him was because his last minute pop in to the thread seemed genuine. Now I'm not so sure about that at all. This describes my feelings too. I've had lingering doubts about Crossfire based on how he was roleplaying early on - then he came back and it looked like he was going to contribute, but then roleplayed some more. Then he came back and was suprsrsmode - and he was on the block. Like, everyone has a vested interest in not getting lynched, but it just seems to me that we wouldn't have been in a position where Xfire was up for lynch if he'd played the way he was playing at lynch time like, all day. I'm gonna go peruse those games, let me know your thoughts on his meta (since you seem to be familiar already) while I'm gone.
Crossfire is way lurkier as scum and way less interested in engaging with the thread. Just like this game really. I also know from playing mafia with him in Themed, he finds it difficult to post as mafia, I had to encourage him several times.
There's one interesting point about his de-lurk at the "day light savings" deadline. bugs was the clear, clear vote leader until really quite late. Well, until right about we were all switching on to Crossfire, actually.
Theorising, this could mean Crossfire wasn't posting because he was "safe", and as the lynch swung violently towards him, suddenly started posting.
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On March 13 2013 00:45 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 00:38 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2013 00:33 yamato77 wrote:On March 13 2013 00:30 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2013 00:27 Mocsta wrote:On March 13 2013 00:25 Vivax wrote:yamato is a better lynch actually Now this I disagree with outright. Anonymous vig claim holds for this cycle. Your whole town read on yamato is based onto his vig-claim? As said by me and S & B him claiming the shot beforehand was probably a requisite for his shot to work but he doesn't mention it as part of his role so people go around and say he's town for claiming it. It wasn't. If you could fucking read, it is an automatic function of my alignment check that I shoot town-aligned players. I don't know beforehand, and mafia roles don't get revealed or shot, I just get a PM saying they're mafia or third party. Stop misrepresenting what I've said about my role. Well that's even worse you used your role on a guy in the crossfire without asking him to stop trolling like I did or waiting some more to find out if he's actually scum. You actually justified your shot by saying that he martyred and had to die afterwards and not by saying that you wanted to check him while risking his death, meaning you justified afterwards that he died for trolling, not that he died cause you thought he was mafia and wanted to check him at the risk of him dying. So your whole motivation behind that shot doesn't add up in light of your role. It was one of the factors that I considered when I thought of the possibility of him being town, yes. I didn't know his alignment, and thought that even if he was town for this, it was not a great loss because of how he was playing. You should stop posting because I've said all this before. Fucking read.
Your role is more anti-town than anything. Already using it so early in the day on a player looking so bad at the time is scummy and only convenient for you.
You were willing to bet a townie life against a check that no one would believe cause it would have been a D1 check.
If you were town you'd be seriously stupid, but I know you aren't. Neither of both.[/QUOTE]
On March 13 2013 00:59 Vivax wrote:Had VE as scumread before the shot, but didn't shoot him.Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 03:00 yamato77 wrote:On March 11 2013 02:55 VisceraEyes wrote: LOL this game. Vivax maybe you can explain what about that post you didn't like? Maybe explain why it's scummy and why you want to lynch me? Yamato is just butthurt that I found him so fast, but what's your excuse? VE not reading, just lurking. Speak and he shall appear. Proof that yamato is scumShow nested quote +On March 11 2013 06:59 yamato77 wrote:On March 11 2013 05:59 cDgCorazon wrote: Hmmm...guess who has decided to lurk now that other targets are being hunted? Yamato and Acro...
##Vote: Yamato
Gonna start scumhunting? i'm at work you asshat it's in my filter What I will do is solve this Kurumi problem right now. Yamato announces that the problem will be solved when he doesn't know if he gets a check back or Kurumi dies. Yamato knew Kurumi would die and says he doesn't have to announce the shot in the thread but claimed it on his own - despite not knowing if he'll get a check back he says that "The problem will be solved".The actual announcement comes laterHis reaction after knowing Kurumi would die as town:
On March 13 2013 01:08 Vivax wrote: Now, aside from the fact that yamato didn't shoot his "scumread", he didn't play as if he expected to get a check back on Kurumi no, he posted as if he knew he would get shot.
What if he had the chance to get a check back from Kurumi (like he should believe), why announce something beforehand when you don't know the outcome?
Let's assume he expected to get a red check back on Kurumi, would he announce it in the thread or wait for the outcome and only claim the shot if he hit green? In case he hit red he could simply push Kurumi or claim the check afterwards. In case of green he could have stayed silent or claimed it or whatever he wanted to, but he chose the stupid way, why? Explanation: For his role to work he had to play the shot like MZ played it.
He had to announce that he would shoot someone in the thread for his role to work, but refuses to admit it. Every other explanation doesn't make sense unless he's a massive derp.
On March 13 2013 01:29 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 01:19 marvellosity wrote:On March 13 2013 01:18 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2013 01:17 marvellosity wrote: The Kurumi problem wouldn't be there, which is the problem yamato said he would solve.
yamato would still be there, yes, but that's a different kettle of fish. The problem he said he would "solve" before knowing from the host if Kurumi was scum or town? if he's scum we lynch him, if he's a martyring town, he gets shot. Problem solved in both scenarios? ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 06:46 Kurumi wrote: okay so it seems I got a scum role and I am town burn me because if I ever fucking turn mole I will throw something heavy out of my room ##vote Kurumi Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 06:59 yamato77 wrote:On March 11 2013 05:59 cDgCorazon wrote: Hmmm...guess who has decided to lurk now that other targets are being hunted? Yamato and Acro...
##Vote: Yamato
Gonna start scumhunting? i'm at work you asshat it's in my filter What I will do is solve this Kurumi problem right now. He chose to shoot Kurumi for martyring over his "scumread" VE in the arc of 13 minutes.
Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 11:31 yamato77 wrote: I consent to any of Vivax, Super, Bugs, Foolish or Ver hanging
My vote will stay where it is because I only have time to type this post at work.
If I die, so be it, but I highly doubt you guys will be happy when you find out I lied about nothing Bugs was martyring, too but he pumps out a 5 guy list instead of going for Bugs who does the same as Kurumi. Kurumi martyring is a good enough reason to shoot him but Bugs doing that isn't a good enough reason to lynch him over 4 others? Inconsistent reasons, terrible role usage, indications of him knowing Kurumi's flip beforehand ( + general subjective scumminess).
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Let's lynch Vivax tomorrow because all he's doing is spamming the goddamn thread while town figures out the game.
Also, everyone ignore him.
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On March 13 2013 02:56 Vivax wrote:
You were willing to bet a townie life against a check that no one would believe cause it would have been a D1 check.
Why do you keep saying this? I don't understand it at all.
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On March 13 2013 02:58 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 02:56 Vivax wrote:
You were willing to bet a townie life against a check that no one would believe cause it would have been a D1 check.
Why do you keep saying this? I don't understand it at all.
You mention a good point actually people might have believed the check despite being so early to incredible. That's not the point however and you keep avoiding it.
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I've talked about what I think of yamato ad infinitum, I don't feel the need to do so anymore.
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Ebwop: so early to look incredible.
Btw posting these posts will be the entirety of my D2 contributions so if you want to lynch me you can start by pushing for it now. I'm not loosening the bite until yamato bites the dust.
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I'm rather hoping you get shot, actually.
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On March 13 2013 02:49 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote:On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote: Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it? foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum. like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened. I thought you were pretty levelheaded and townie at the time, but this post is not making sense to me. WBG's role was survivor, not scum aligned. His powers were meh. Unless you are talking about Kurumi, in which case he was town aligned, not scum aligned at all. The impression I got from Yamato is that he knew all along what his power would do. Now, why would scum get a DT check? It makes no sense. Even if it is combined with a dayvig. Either Yamato is lying about how his power works, or he is town. The role makes NO sense for scum. I'm not saying this is the case. It is, however, a perfectly plausible scenario that would answer your question about why would scum get a public dt check.
I just don't like it that people are basing reads on Yamato off of setup speculation.
Actually scratch that, I just don't like it that people are basing it off of bad setup speculation.
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On January 12 2013 02:18 Vivax wrote:Thanks for the compliments folks, if Foolishness didn't say that he wanted me to have 9 pages of filter by start of day 3 I probably would have played differently. Then I simply tried to play pro-town. I actually made a slip: The one where I said I shouldn't defend townies (while talking of CC). Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 02:26 Vivax wrote: And fuck my life for defending a townie instead of leaving it to him. I also crumbed busy paramedic (even), so it would have been interesting between me and VE if I had to claim. I think there should be a policy for such slips. I remember Z-Boson saying "it has nothing to do with me being scum" in Hero mini mafia, and he was scum. If someone makes such a slip as town, then it's his fault, but it should be treated seriously. Scum-Claiming should also be lynchable, just like Palmar derping around. I can understand why he might have done that: To get killed as late as possible, but him being around still didn't help town much. Not saying you're not good, but this game you weren't exactly shining, majesty. Congratz to my scumbuddies for managing to stay out of scope so well and being a talkative and active bunch. I would also like to thank my parents, my manager and my fans for their support. Dr. Genki Scum Foolish/Vivax team getting lazy resorting to their same old tricks.
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Ooooh yamato thinks I'm scum but only defends himself and tells people to ignore me.
Now that's not how we know him to handle his scumreads.
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Was away for a moment, noticed slOosh talk.
I checked Personality 1 because I thought there'd been a role that had to tunnel someone and only post on them. Didn't find it, but maybe skipped over. Is there anyone known for just fighting with MZ every game they're in? I agree with slOosh being a futureproblem, but his activity being ONLY to tunnel made me think that perhaps it's a personality limitation, despite most personalities in this game not coming with the same extreme limitations that they came with in 1.
Couldn't find a particular role, but if there's a player known for fighting with MZ, or a player known just for tunneling, it's a possible explanation (that doesn't say anything about his alignment )
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Lol, I've basically nailed you to a cross with Foolish. I know how this game works, bro. I watched it happen in LVIII and I will never forget that game.
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On March 13 2013 03:15 austinmcc wrote:Was away for a moment, noticed slOosh talk. I checked Personality 1 because I thought there'd been a role that had to tunnel someone and only post on them. Didn't find it, but maybe skipped over. Is there anyone known for just fighting with MZ every game they're in? I agree with slOosh being a futureproblem, but his activity being ONLY to tunnel made me think that perhaps it's a personality limitation, despite most personalities in this game not coming with the same extreme limitations that they came with in 1. Couldn't find a particular role, but if there's a player known for fighting with MZ, or a player known just for tunneling, it's a possible explanation (that doesn't say anything about his alignment )
Pointless speculation really, dear.
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On March 12 2013 13:53 slOosh wrote: My scum read on yamato is even stronger now. Take out the Kurumi shot out of his filter and what you are left with is a bunch of one liners throwing doubt and pointing fingers at everyone. Not only that, there is absolutely no consistency with his reads at all. Multiple times he calls slOosh and Cora scum and they get left out of his final reads, he bothers to put in a post detailing people he would liked lynched yet doesn't move his vote on WBG, indicating he doesn't really care if crossfire were to die (does yam think he is town? scum? who knows?). That plus the problems I have concerning his role usage => this dude is scum.
People think otherwise about the role usage: I invite those people to look into his filter (aside from the role stuff) and tell me what they think. Marv I think you mentioned his meta - I'm most familiar with town yamato from Nomination, where he carried town at the end. Dunno his scum meta, but clearly he can play decent town (posting wise and whatnot).
I'll be taking this night to review stuff I missed during the day. Still gonna tunnel yamato though unless people can provide more than "yam's balls too small for that". If you want opinions on specific things ask and I'll address them when I can.
Does anyone else find it weird he talks about himself in 3rd person here? I know people do so occasionally but I've never seen slOosh do it I don't think.
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On March 13 2013 03:15 austinmcc wrote:Was away for a moment, noticed slOosh talk. I checked Personality 1 because I thought there'd been a role that had to tunnel someone and only post on them. Didn't find it, but maybe skipped over. Is there anyone known for just fighting with MZ every game they're in? I agree with slOosh being a futureproblem, but his activity being ONLY to tunnel made me think that perhaps it's a personality limitation, despite most personalities in this game not coming with the same extreme limitations that they came with in 1. Couldn't find a particular role, but if there's a player known for fighting with MZ, or a player known just for tunneling, it's a possible explanation (that doesn't say anything about his alignment )
there is almost no chance of such a role. kita said that post restrictions would be far less severe. even chezinu didn't have one as far as I could see lol.
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On March 13 2013 03:20 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 13:53 slOosh wrote: My scum read on yamato is even stronger now. Take out the Kurumi shot out of his filter and what you are left with is a bunch of one liners throwing doubt and pointing fingers at everyone. Not only that, there is absolutely no consistency with his reads at all. Multiple times he calls slOosh and Cora scum and they get left out of his final reads, he bothers to put in a post detailing people he would liked lynched yet doesn't move his vote on WBG, indicating he doesn't really care if crossfire were to die (does yam think he is town? scum? who knows?). That plus the problems I have concerning his role usage => this dude is scum.
People think otherwise about the role usage: I invite those people to look into his filter (aside from the role stuff) and tell me what they think. Marv I think you mentioned his meta - I'm most familiar with town yamato from Nomination, where he carried town at the end. Dunno his scum meta, but clearly he can play decent town (posting wise and whatnot).
I'll be taking this night to review stuff I missed during the day. Still gonna tunnel yamato though unless people can provide more than "yam's balls too small for that". If you want opinions on specific things ask and I'll address them when I can. Does anyone else find it weird he talks about himself in 3rd person here? I know people do so occasionally but I've never seen slOosh do it I don't think.
I don't think it means anything tbh.
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no, you're probably right. I was just thinking about it and I think I do it myself in certain contexts.
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