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On March 13 2013 01:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 01:48 Acrofales wrote:I just got done reading most of the fall-out from Yamato's shot and I think everybody who calls Yamato scum for it is either terrible or scum. Why the fuck would a scum Yamato use an anonymous vig-shot to shoot a confirmed townie and then own up to it. They could have used that power to take out some superpowered veteran with no fear of a medic, but instead use it to kill someone who was shitting up the thread. Yes, it was a fucking stupid move to shoot a modconfirmed townie. However, that doesn't make it scummy. SnB said this completely correctly. Vivax, Cora, Sloosh, VE all fail to see this, or are scum using it to try to wagon what looks at the time to be an easy mislynch. Out of these, I like Cora the least, but I'll keep reading. + Show Spoiler [brief thoughts on cora] +
Cora's early game was to attack Yamato based on meta. This from a player who I distinctly recall saying all meta cases are terrible in Duel mafia. He then gets extremely paranoid about dying when Kurumi posts fake shots in the vote thread, and is extremely defensive about his contributions this game, which, at the time were minimal.
Finally, when mocsta points out some stuff he thought was scummy, Cora uses some terrible misdirection to deflect the case, by saying Mocsta was just piggybacking on other people's thoughts. Not everything has to be an original thought, and if other people had good ideas, a townie SHOULD use them.
Regardless of whether it was original or not, the deflection seems like a guilty conscience trying to wiggle out from explaining something he had no town explanation for.
Acro your best point you hid in the spoiler! This from a player who I distinctly recall saying all meta cases are terrible in Duel mafiaI'd completely forgotten this. Witness: Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 00:13 cDgCorazon wrote:
3. When I get home from school (in a few hours), I am going to re-read the pages with the whole go around between the TL veterans (basically everyone but the lurkers, me, Adam, Yamato, and Dieno). It's hard to follow because you guys just sit around and call each other scum/town based on each other's metas, which in all honesty is kind of pointless. Metas can change at any point, and players can use their meta from one side or another to conscientiously give others a town read based on their meta. Don't read too much into them (which I'm afraid you guys are doing right now). I'm not saying that all of it has been meta talk, but I've seen way too much meta talk thrown around. This game, witness (spoilered for length) + Show Spoiler +On March 10 2013 14:02 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 13:44 yamato77 wrote:On March 10 2013 13:43 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 10 2013 13:41 yamato77 wrote:On March 10 2013 13:40 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 10 2013 13:39 yamato77 wrote:On March 10 2013 13:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
That would be...the most disappointing ever. Wtf is this post English too hard Don't post stupid shit about grammar. Who is scum Yamato? Your meta tends to be that everyone should have the scum team down 100% five minutes in the game. Have you found the scumteam yet? You're a buzzkill Not fighting with aggressive people this game just finding mafia So you have backed off of your position on this from N0 of Duel Mafia? What position are you talking about? I think you've played with me once for a full game, and you think you know EXACTLY how I play? Lol. The position I'm talking about is when you basically accused me of having no scum reads 3 hours into Duel Mafia and basically told me that I needed to have 100% scum reads 3 hours into the game or I am scum. I know a general feeling of how you play. You're aggressive as town. You don't give a fuck if you die or not, as long as your top scumread dies with you: Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 12:56 yamato77 wrote:
Let the double lynch [Yamato and Hapa] happen
I doubt Hapa flipping mafia would change Adam's mind about me anyway, and I don't really want to be in another one of these things. The fact that you have decided to back way down from posts like this and play more passive is a bit suspicious. However, I'm going to assume the personality of whoever you are is influencing your play right now. I'll take a look later to see what kind of Yamato (or whoever you are) is going to come into town. Meta! On March 10 2013 15:36 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 15:29 Crossfire99 wrote:On March 10 2013 15:16 yamato77 wrote:
You haven't done anything, precisely. You must be walkin' on a slant if you think you dun somethin' so far. Yamato's already playing way too far away from his town meta for me to be comfortable. Meta! On March 10 2013 16:41 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 16:39 yamato77 wrote:
Your argument is that I'm scum because I refused to argue with you.
Not exactly a strong one.
No, it's the fact that you are not playing as abrasive as your usual town meta is.So Yamato, let me get this straight: You called me out in Duel Mafia for not having scum reads AND You're calling me out now for having a scumread. Please bow down to your King and tell me what I am missing. Meta!
Well tbh, he did use a meta case a little while later on Syl, he was town in Duel.
So this may not be entirely accurate.
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On March 13 2013 02:05 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 01:57 marvellosity wrote:On March 13 2013 01:48 Acrofales wrote:I just got done reading most of the fall-out from Yamato's shot and I think everybody who calls Yamato scum for it is either terrible or scum. Why the fuck would a scum Yamato use an anonymous vig-shot to shoot a confirmed townie and then own up to it. They could have used that power to take out some superpowered veteran with no fear of a medic, but instead use it to kill someone who was shitting up the thread. Yes, it was a fucking stupid move to shoot a modconfirmed townie. However, that doesn't make it scummy. SnB said this completely correctly. Vivax, Cora, Sloosh, VE all fail to see this, or are scum using it to try to wagon what looks at the time to be an easy mislynch. Out of these, I like Cora the least, but I'll keep reading. + Show Spoiler [brief thoughts on cora] +
Cora's early game was to attack Yamato based on meta. This from a player who I distinctly recall saying all meta cases are terrible in Duel mafia. He then gets extremely paranoid about dying when Kurumi posts fake shots in the vote thread, and is extremely defensive about his contributions this game, which, at the time were minimal.
Finally, when mocsta points out some stuff he thought was scummy, Cora uses some terrible misdirection to deflect the case, by saying Mocsta was just piggybacking on other people's thoughts. Not everything has to be an original thought, and if other people had good ideas, a townie SHOULD use them.
Regardless of whether it was original or not, the deflection seems like a guilty conscience trying to wiggle out from explaining something he had no town explanation for.
Acro your best point you hid in the spoiler! This from a player who I distinctly recall saying all meta cases are terrible in Duel mafiaI'd completely forgotten this. Witness: On February 26 2013 00:13 cDgCorazon wrote:
3. When I get home from school (in a few hours), I am going to re-read the pages with the whole go around between the TL veterans (basically everyone but the lurkers, me, Adam, Yamato, and Dieno). It's hard to follow because you guys just sit around and call each other scum/town based on each other's metas, which in all honesty is kind of pointless. Metas can change at any point, and players can use their meta from one side or another to conscientiously give others a town read based on their meta. Don't read too much into them (which I'm afraid you guys are doing right now). I'm not saying that all of it has been meta talk, but I've seen way too much meta talk thrown around. This game, witness (spoilered for length) + Show Spoiler +On March 10 2013 14:02 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 13:44 yamato77 wrote:On March 10 2013 13:43 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 10 2013 13:41 yamato77 wrote:On March 10 2013 13:40 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 10 2013 13:39 yamato77 wrote:On March 10 2013 13:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
That would be...the most disappointing ever. Wtf is this post English too hard Don't post stupid shit about grammar. Who is scum Yamato? Your meta tends to be that everyone should have the scum team down 100% five minutes in the game. Have you found the scumteam yet? You're a buzzkill Not fighting with aggressive people this game just finding mafia So you have backed off of your position on this from N0 of Duel Mafia? What position are you talking about? I think you've played with me once for a full game, and you think you know EXACTLY how I play? Lol. The position I'm talking about is when you basically accused me of having no scum reads 3 hours into Duel Mafia and basically told me that I needed to have 100% scum reads 3 hours into the game or I am scum. I know a general feeling of how you play. You're aggressive as town. You don't give a fuck if you die or not, as long as your top scumread dies with you: Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 12:56 yamato77 wrote:
Let the double lynch [Yamato and Hapa] happen
I doubt Hapa flipping mafia would change Adam's mind about me anyway, and I don't really want to be in another one of these things. The fact that you have decided to back way down from posts like this and play more passive is a bit suspicious. However, I'm going to assume the personality of whoever you are is influencing your play right now. I'll take a look later to see what kind of Yamato (or whoever you are) is going to come into town. Meta! On March 10 2013 15:36 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 15:29 Crossfire99 wrote:On March 10 2013 15:16 yamato77 wrote:
You haven't done anything, precisely. You must be walkin' on a slant if you think you dun somethin' so far. Yamato's already playing way too far away from his town meta for me to be comfortable. Meta! On March 10 2013 16:41 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 16:39 yamato77 wrote:
Your argument is that I'm scum because I refused to argue with you.
Not exactly a strong one.
No, it's the fact that you are not playing as abrasive as your usual town meta is.So Yamato, let me get this straight: You called me out in Duel Mafia for not having scum reads AND You're calling me out now for having a scumread. Please bow down to your King and tell me what I am missing. Meta! Well tbh, he did use a meta case a little while later on Syl, he was town in Duel. So this may not be entirely accurate.
This is true, although that was a weird one. His case on Syl there was:
"he's playing exactly like he normally does as town, therefore he's mafia"
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On March 13 2013 02:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
1 question.
Where the fuck is Iamp.
Vivax stop your fucking personal issues with marv and play the damn game.
Show us why he is scum without resorting to personal attacks or find another player to harrass.
You never answered 5 scumspects over Foolishness.
Ok
Who are the 5 people that are scummier than Foolishness, since you said your town read on him was based on elimination.
There are no personal issues just legitimate concerns about him being town and the arguments he's using.
My scumreads are yamato, yamato, yamato ,yamato and yamato.
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Oats what are your thoughts on the hyperveterans? I'm referring here to BC, Ver and Foolishness. Just your objective, gut response is all I'm after here, I'm not asking you to reread them and give me full reads.
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On March 13 2013 02:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oats what are your thoughts on the hyperveterans? I'm referring here to BC, Ver and Foolishness. Just your objective, gut response is all I'm after here, I'm not asking you to reread them and give me full reads.
Ver is town I think, cause I think as scum he would give more of a fuck
Like his activity goes beyond lurking, this is just inactivity.
BC is also town same as ^^, also he seems to want to pick fights with everyone when he does post.
I wish he would play the game though :/
Foolishness is probably scum for lying about Marv and 180ing in a horrible way.
Also defended Vivax for no reason.
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What do you make of the fact that Ver is claiming he hasn't read his role PM? And how does this affect your assessment that "he'd give more of a fuck"?
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On March 13 2013 02:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
What do you make of the fact that Ver is claiming he hasn't read his role PM? And how does this affect your assessment that "he'd give more of a fuck"?
Nah Im pretty sure he was kidding.
No one can resist the yellow. NO ONE.
WIFOM INCOMING
Also IIRC he posted less than 5 posts.
As town I could imagine him thinking, oh shit what a horrible mess. I can barely read it, its gonna have to wait until I have more time.
As scum he would probably just post stuff I would think, as he knows that his inactivity would quickly wear out his welcome, and so as to not be under suspicion.
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Not even professional players who probably receive 10s or even hundreds of PMs a day? Context Oats.
Anyway, thanks for your cooperation. I'm gonna get ready for work and think. Does anyone need anything from me? My time on this game will be focused tonight on answering the question I posed ~12 hours ago, so if you want response from me now is the best time.
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On March 13 2013 02:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Not even professional players who probably receive 10s or even hundreds of PMs a day? Context Oats.
Anyway, thanks for your cooperation. I'm gonna get ready for work and think. Does anyone need anything from me? My time on this game will be focused tonight on answering the question I posed ~12 hours ago, so if you want response from me now is the best time.
I don't need you right now but I want to work with you tonight because it's quite possible one or both of us may be dead after this phase.
By 'tonight' I mean I should be around until deadline give or take.
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Give me like 10-15 minutes and I'm all your marv.
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On March 12 2013 22:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cause foolishness has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. other than defend you. and vote for crossfire. But he didnt actually push anything, do anything remotely townie.
Nope.
Just derped around like a newbie.
Is Foolishness a newbie? No.
1. Foolishness is not the best potential town player.
2. Foolishness doesnt look like town.
How do you get to the point where he should be protected?
Oats do you agree with me in the fact that Foolishness pushed for a yamato lynch while someone not-scum was the main lynch candidate?
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On March 13 2013 01:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 01:48 Acrofales wrote:I just got done reading most of the fall-out from Yamato's shot and I think everybody who calls Yamato scum for it is either terrible or scum. Why the fuck would a scum Yamato use an anonymous vig-shot to shoot a confirmed townie and then own up to it. They could have used that power to take out some superpowered veteran with no fear of a medic, but instead use it to kill someone who was shitting up the thread. Yes, it was a fucking stupid move to shoot a modconfirmed townie. However, that doesn't make it scummy. SnB said this completely correctly. Vivax, Cora, Sloosh, VE all fail to see this, or are scum using it to try to wagon what looks at the time to be an easy mislynch. Out of these, I like Cora the least, but I'll keep reading. + Show Spoiler [brief thoughts on cora] +
Cora's early game was to attack Yamato based on meta. This from a player who I distinctly recall saying all meta cases are terrible in Duel mafia. He then gets extremely paranoid about dying when Kurumi posts fake shots in the vote thread, and is extremely defensive about his contributions this game, which, at the time were minimal.
Finally, when mocsta points out some stuff he thought was scummy, Cora uses some terrible misdirection to deflect the case, by saying Mocsta was just piggybacking on other people's thoughts. Not everything has to be an original thought, and if other people had good ideas, a townie SHOULD use them.
Regardless of whether it was original or not, the deflection seems like a guilty conscience trying to wiggle out from explaining something he had no town explanation for.
Every bolded part is proof you didn't read this game. I didn't read the stuff after the lynch before posting today but you didn't even read early game holy shit. What's worse about this is that you forgive yamato for shooting a modconfirmed townie in your point of view and that makes even less sense than other derps/mafias saying he should stay alive.
You are really calling me out for not having read parts of the thread when I have made it abundantly clear that I have not yet caught up on the thread?! Get your head out of your ass. Anyway, this was about the people calling Yamato scum BEFORE Yamato explained his role. What happened after his explanation I will figure out now.
However, it still makes no sense from a "balance" PoV to give that role to scum.
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On March 13 2013 02:10 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 02:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oats what are your thoughts on the hyperveterans? I'm referring here to BC, Ver and Foolishness. Just your objective, gut response is all I'm after here, I'm not asking you to reread them and give me full reads. Ver is town I think, cause I think as scum he would give more of a fuck Like his activity goes beyond lurking, this is just inactivity. BC is also town same as ^^, also he seems to want to pick fights with everyone when he does post. I wish he would play the game though :/ Foolishness is probably scum for lying about Marv and 180ing in a horrible way. Also defended Vivax for no reason.
How the hell do you have a meta town read on Ver. Like... HOW IN THE WORLD DOES THAT HAPPEN?
SOO MUCH STUPID IN THIS GAME!!!
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These are the only 3 posts by Foolishness about yamato.
On March 12 2013 09:40 Foolishness wrote:
I'm sold.
##Unvote: Vivax
##Vote: Yamato77
On March 12 2013 09:44 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 09:41 strongandbig wrote:
damn really? what am i missing here Actually, yamato makes a lot of sense. He's more trolly and abrasive when he's mafia. When I say that, I mean he's direct about his insults: "you're an asshat", etc. Refer to Fruity Mini Mafia to see this in action (when he's mafia). In Town Ain't Big Enough Mafia, he was town, and while his posting rate was the same, he wasn't as abrasive and didn't swear as much. More importantly, in that game he was actually helpful and contributing.
On March 12 2013 18:20 Foolishness wrote:
Mafia don't need to create multiple wagons if none of them are under pressure. From what I see bugs was always top candidate and not many people were hard against his lynch. I don't really think there's much to gather from the lynch. If there were last minute swings and people sheeping on bandwagons sure, but meh from yesterday's lynch.
I still 100% support a yamato lynch. I am also on board a crossfire lynch. I was skeptical of him at first, but after seeing his reactions right before and after the lynch I will gladly kill him (I haven't thoroughly analyzed him like I have yamato or Vivax though).
I dont really call this pushing.
Also the switch to yamato comes at a time where the momentum was shifting to lynch yamato cause of his stupid play.
However I would think that Foolishness knows to lynch scum and not stupid, and what yamato did was the epitome of a stupid play, not a scummy play.
So I dont agree that Foolishness did ANYTHING.
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On March 13 2013 02:23 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 01:54 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2013 01:48 Acrofales wrote:I just got done reading most of the fall-out from Yamato's shot and I think everybody who calls Yamato scum for it is either terrible or scum. Why the fuck would a scum Yamato use an anonymous vig-shot to shoot a confirmed townie and then own up to it. They could have used that power to take out some superpowered veteran with no fear of a medic, but instead use it to kill someone who was shitting up the thread. Yes, it was a fucking stupid move to shoot a modconfirmed townie. However, that doesn't make it scummy. SnB said this completely correctly. Vivax, Cora, Sloosh, VE all fail to see this, or are scum using it to try to wagon what looks at the time to be an easy mislynch. Out of these, I like Cora the least, but I'll keep reading. + Show Spoiler [brief thoughts on cora] +
Cora's early game was to attack Yamato based on meta. This from a player who I distinctly recall saying all meta cases are terrible in Duel mafia. He then gets extremely paranoid about dying when Kurumi posts fake shots in the vote thread, and is extremely defensive about his contributions this game, which, at the time were minimal.
Finally, when mocsta points out some stuff he thought was scummy, Cora uses some terrible misdirection to deflect the case, by saying Mocsta was just piggybacking on other people's thoughts. Not everything has to be an original thought, and if other people had good ideas, a townie SHOULD use them.
Regardless of whether it was original or not, the deflection seems like a guilty conscience trying to wiggle out from explaining something he had no town explanation for.
Every bolded part is proof you didn't read this game. I didn't read the stuff after the lynch before posting today but you didn't even read early game holy shit. What's worse about this is that you forgive yamato for shooting a modconfirmed townie in your point of view and that makes even less sense than other derps/mafias saying he should stay alive. You are really calling me out for not having read parts of the thread when I have made it abundantly clear that I have not yet caught up on the thread?! Get your head out of your ass. Anyway, this was about the people calling Yamato scum BEFORE Yamato explained his role. What happened after his explanation I will figure out now. However, it still makes no sense from a "balance" PoV to give that role to scum.
It does make sense if he has to announce the shot like MZ did. But yamato said he doesn't have to. I already argued from that point of view on why the argument "yamato could have stayed invisible" doesn't hold.
Part of it is that he should have shut up as either alignment if he had been able to shoot Kurumi silently.
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On March 13 2013 02:24 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 02:10 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 13 2013 02:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oats what are your thoughts on the hyperveterans? I'm referring here to BC, Ver and Foolishness. Just your objective, gut response is all I'm after here, I'm not asking you to reread them and give me full reads. Ver is town I think, cause I think as scum he would give more of a fuck Like his activity goes beyond lurking, this is just inactivity. BC is also town same as ^^, also he seems to want to pick fights with everyone when he does post. I wish he would play the game though :/ Foolishness is probably scum for lying about Marv and 180ing in a horrible way. Also defended Vivax for no reason. How the hell do you have a meta town read on Ver. Like... HOW IN THE WORLD DOES THAT HAPPEN? SOO MUCH STUPID IN THIS GAME!!!
Go and explain why the 'vettiest' player in TL mafia ups and posts less than 5 posts as scum. Go on, do it.
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On March 13 2013 02:25 Oatsmaster wrote:These are the only 3 posts by Foolishness about yamato. Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 09:40 Foolishness wrote:
I'm sold.
##Unvote: Vivax
##Vote: Yamato77 Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 09:44 Foolishness wrote:On March 12 2013 09:41 strongandbig wrote:
damn really? what am i missing here Actually, yamato makes a lot of sense. He's more trolly and abrasive when he's mafia. When I say that, I mean he's direct about his insults: "you're an asshat", etc. Refer to Fruity Mini Mafia to see this in action (when he's mafia). In Town Ain't Big Enough Mafia, he was town, and while his posting rate was the same, he wasn't as abrasive and didn't swear as much. More importantly, in that game he was actually helpful and contributing. Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 18:20 Foolishness wrote:
Mafia don't need to create multiple wagons if none of them are under pressure. From what I see bugs was always top candidate and not many people were hard against his lynch. I don't really think there's much to gather from the lynch. If there were last minute swings and people sheeping on bandwagons sure, but meh from yesterday's lynch.
I still 100% support a yamato lynch. I am also on board a crossfire lynch. I was skeptical of him at first, but after seeing his reactions right before and after the lynch I will gladly kill him (I haven't thoroughly analyzed him like I have yamato or Vivax though). I dont really call this pushing. Also the switch to yamato comes at a time where the momentum was shifting to lynch yamato cause of his stupid play. However I would think that Foolishness knows to lynch scum and not stupid, and what yamato did was the epitome of a stupid play, not a scummy play. So I dont agree that Foolishness did ANYTHING.
There was no momentum to shift the lynch to yamato there were two people coming in wanting to lynch him : BC and Foolishness and I wanted to join them afterwards.
Also, the stuff you quote up there IS a push. Stop telling bullshitz
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Okay, I'm back. I'll shower tonight, this is IMPORTANT!
My problem with yamato has always been the fact that I wasn't certain he was town really fast. Look at the scumQT in Nomination: in spite of slOosh and some other townie, I advised AGAINST going after yamato because he was, by my estimation, the greenest player in the game. Granted, I knew he was town, but based on what I saw in the thread, I knew that if he were put under pressure, he would bring the fucking pain...and he did...to my chagrin. But this game I have had no such certainty of his alignment. I don't know how much of that has to do with roleplaying, or the circumstances in the game, but that's the core of my problem with Yamato this game: he's not obviously town to me.
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sloosh, I'm not going to ask you more than once. who is scum other than yamato?
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ebwop in spite of slOosh and some other townie being on him,
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