EPTDo you note the difference in time?
So he votes for yamato at
9.40.
Then SnB asks him why, he explains.
at 9.44
Then his next post on the subject is 18.20.
Also inbetween, he is doing his nonsensical defense of you.
I do not call that pushing.
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Do you note the difference in time? So he votes for yamato at 9.40. Then SnB asks him why, he explains. at 9.44 Then his next post on the subject is 18.20. Also inbetween, he is doing his nonsensical defense of you. I do not call that pushing. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On March 13 2013 02:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, I'm back. I'll shower tonight, this is IMPORTANT! My problem with yamato has always been the fact that I wasn't certain he was town really fast. Look at the scumQT in Nomination: in spite of slOosh and some other townie, I advised AGAINST going after yamato because he was, by my estimation, the greenest player in the game. Granted, I knew he was town, but based on what I saw in the thread, I knew that if he were put under pressure, he would bring the fucking pain...and he did...to my chagrin. But this game I have had no such certainty of his alignment. I don't know how much of that has to do with roleplaying, or the circumstances in the game, but that's the core of my problem with Yamato this game: he's not obviously town to me. what do you think of his play this night phase? I think it's been much better and has made me feel better about yamato. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
But yeah, I'm feeling better about yamato too. What I don't get is slOosh' certainty of Yamato's guilt. What's that about? | ||
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Vivax
22418 Posts
On March 13 2013 02:31 Oatsmaster wrote: Vivax. Do you note the difference in time? So he votes for yamato at 9.40. Then SnB asks him why, he explains. at 9.44 Then his next post on the subject is 18.20. Also inbetween, he is doing his nonsensical defense of you. I do not call that pushing. Tell me the time intervals he should have between his posts for you to be considered pushing. Oats please don't be town, please. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18464 Posts
On March 13 2013 02:26 Oatsmaster wrote: Go and explain why the 'vettiest' player in TL mafia ups and posts less than 5 posts as scum. Go on, do it. Go and explain that same for town. Go on, do it. While Ver is known as a "sit back and analyse" scumhunter, he is fucking good at it and nails scum left right and center. Where has he done that this game? He also pushes his reads. Where has he done that this game? Anyway, my first post read of Ver still stands. Ver is scum because he is trying to dodge any responsibility. He has not done any of the fabled scumhunting he is so famed for. How the fuck can you have a town read on him? If you think inactivity is a town tell you are too stupid to talk to. Did you not JUST get done playing Duel mafia with Keirathi the inactive? And CT with Sandroba the inactive? And for that matter, Parallel Universe with Foolishness the inactive? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On March 13 2013 02:34 Vivax wrote: Tell me the time intervals he should have between his posts for you to be considered pushing. Oats please don't be town, please. The point is there is no continuation with his vote. He votes yamato and forgets about it. Also you only gave 1 scum read. Stop fucking ignoring it or give reasons why Foolishness is town other than he buddied you. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On March 13 2013 02:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Same. Although to be fair, it's not hard to look good when you've got this Foolish/Vivax thing going on. But yeah, I'm feeling better about yamato too. What I don't get is slOosh' certainty of Yamato's guilt. What's that about? Completely torn. Remember when he was so certain you were mafia in NMM2 that he actually misrepresented your posts coming up to deadline to ensure your lynch? It was so tunnelled and braindead (sorry slOosh) but he was town there. It's like what Hiro just asked really. If slOosh is only gonna talk about yamato, that's obviously a problem. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On March 13 2013 02:35 Acrofales wrote: Go and explain that same for town. Go on, do it. While Ver is known as a "sit back and analyse" scumhunter, he is fucking good at it and nails scum left right and center. Where has he done that this game? He also pushes his reads. Where has he done that this game? Anyway, my first post read of Ver still stands. Ver is scum because he is trying to dodge any responsibility. He has not done any of the fabled scumhunting he is so famed for. How the fuck can you have a town read on him? If you think inactivity is a town tell you are too stupid to talk to. Did you not JUST get done playing Duel mafia with Keirathi the inactive? And CT with Sandroba the inactive? And for that matter, Parallel Universe with Foolishness the inactive? The point is keirathi tried to post. Failed. Sandro tried to post, got caught out early. Didnt read parallel, though I would imagine its the same thing. Ver has done no pushing of any sort. OK I might have said that wrongly, I dont have a strong town read on him, but I dont think there is anyway Ver is flipping scum. How many times do I have to say that his first post was a joke? Or if it wasnt, its not alignment indicative ANYWAY cause he didnt read his fucking role pm. | ||
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Vivax
22418 Posts
On March 13 2013 02:35 Oatsmaster wrote: The point is there is no continuation with his vote. He votes yamato and forgets about it. Also you only gave 1 scum read. Stop fucking ignoring it or give reasons why Foolishness is town other than he buddied you. There is a continuation with his vote you quoted it yourself he comes in several hours later still backing a yamato lynch. Foolishness IS pushing yamato, he's pushing scumreads and townreads your whole argument is paper. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On March 13 2013 02:35 marvellosity wrote: Completely torn. Remember when he was so certain you were mafia in NMM2 that he actually misrepresented your posts coming up to deadline to ensure your lynch? It was so tunnelled and braindead (sorry slOosh) but he was town there. It's like what Hiro just asked really. If slOosh is only gonna talk about yamato, that's obviously a problem. Conversely, my utter manipulation of him in Nom may be factoring into his play too if he's town. :/ Yeah I agree...so don't lynch tomorrow then is basically where slOosh stands for me. If he refuses to contribute anything but a yamato tunnel tomorrow, feel free to open fire or lynch D3. Agreed? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Apathetically watched WBG get lynched with his vote on yamato. Is this inaccurate? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On March 13 2013 02:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Conversely, my utter manipulation of him in Nom may be factoring into his play too if he's town. :/ Yeah I agree...so don't lynch tomorrow then is basically where slOosh stands for me. If he refuses to contribute anything but a yamato tunnel tomorrow, feel free to open fire or lynch D3. Agreed? If he's still only tunnelling yamato 3/4 way through Day 2 he might be a good lynch, but generally yea. slOosh is very capable of looking townie as town, and conversely he finds it very very hard to do so as mafia. So I don't think there's gonna be a slOosh 'problem'. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On March 13 2013 02:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Crossfire. Who has links for me? I'm not familiar with his play, and I don't know what games he's played. He played in Aperture 2, it was kind of a weird game and he was a member of a hidden 2nd scum team. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On March 13 2013 02:43 HiroPro wrote: He played in Aperture 2, it was kind of a weird game and he was a member of a hidden 2nd scum team. Whose Line Is It Anyway - town Themed Mafia - mafia MTG 2 - mafia the main reason I (we? everyone?) didn't lynch him was because his last minute pop in to the thread seemed genuine. Now I'm not so sure about that at all. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Vivax
22418 Posts
On March 13 2013 02:42 Oatsmaster wrote: He pushed 1 town read. Apathetically watched WBG get lynched with his vote on yamato. Is this inaccurate? He didn't spam up the thread asking for a yamato lynch, that would be accurate. But you initially said he didn't push anything, now you admit he did, so you should know that part of your argument for him being scum doesn't hold, don't you? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On March 13 2013 02:47 Vivax wrote: He didn't spam up the thread asking for a yamato lynch, that would be accurate. But you initially said he didn't push anything, now you admit he did, so you should know that part of your argument for him being scum doesn't hold, don't you? this is really dumb nitpicking. stop it. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18464 Posts
On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote: foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum. like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened. I thought you were pretty levelheaded and townie at the time, but this post is not making sense to me. WBG's role was survivor, not scum aligned. His powers were meh. Unless you are talking about Kurumi, in which case he was town aligned, not scum aligned at all. The impression I got from Yamato is that he knew all along what his power would do. Now, why would scum get a DT check? It makes no sense. Even if it is combined with a dayvig. Either Yamato is lying about how his power works, or he is town. The role makes NO sense for scum. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On March 13 2013 02:45 marvellosity wrote: Whose Line Is It Anyway - town Themed Mafia - mafia MTG 2 - mafia the main reason I (we? everyone?) didn't lynch him was because his last minute pop in to the thread seemed genuine. Now I'm not so sure about that at all. This describes my feelings too. I've had lingering doubts about Crossfire based on how he was roleplaying early on - then he came back and it looked like he was going to contribute, but then roleplayed some more. Then he came back and was suprsrsmode - and he was on the block. Like, everyone has a vested interest in not getting lynched, but it just seems to me that we wouldn't have been in a position where Xfire was up for lynch if he'd played the way he was playing at lynch time like, all day. I'm gonna go peruse those games, let me know your thoughts on his meta (since you seem to be familiar already) while I'm gone. | ||
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