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I just got done reading most of the fall-out from Yamato's shot and I think everybody who calls Yamato scum for it is either terrible or scum.
Why the fuck would a scum Yamato use an anonymous vig-shot to shoot a confirmed townie and then own up to it. They could have used that power to take out some superpowered veteran with no fear of a medic, but instead use it to kill someone who was shitting up the thread.
Yes, it was a fucking stupid move to shoot a modconfirmed townie. However, that doesn't make it scummy. SnB said this completely correctly.
Vivax, Cora, Sloosh, VE all fail to see this, or are scum using it to try to wagon what looks at the time to be an easy mislynch. Out of these, I like Cora the least, but I'll keep reading.
+ Show Spoiler [brief thoughts on cora] +
Cora's early game was to attack Yamato based on meta. This from a player who I distinctly recall saying all meta cases are terrible in Duel mafia. He then gets extremely paranoid about dying when Kurumi posts fake shots in the vote thread, and is extremely defensive about his contributions this game, which, at the time were minimal.
Finally, when mocsta points out some stuff he thought was scummy, Cora uses some terrible misdirection to deflect the case, by saying Mocsta was just piggybacking on other people's thoughts. Not everything has to be an original thought, and if other people had good ideas, a townie SHOULD use them.
Regardless of whether it was original or not, the deflection seems like a guilty conscience trying to wiggle out from explaining something he had no town explanation for.
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im kind of sad you guys killed the dog  His posts were funny.
But in other news guess what this guy flipped!
+ Show Spoiler +On January 04 2013 10:09 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 09:58 Palmar wrote:
Hey Foolishness, I would like to have a conversation with you. Can you be around for a few minutes?
To start off, I would like to know what you think of BC and why. Scum BC likes to lurk. Scum BC tries to be nice to people. So far haven't seen any of that. On January 05 2013 07:01 Foolishness wrote:
##Vote: Marvellosity
Save BC! On January 05 2013 07:35 Foolishness wrote:<3 I don't know if Hopeless is bored or mafia yet. The Brown One seems out of character this game. For example: Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 05:10 Chezinu wrote:
ooc:
Guys,
I would like to apologize for being one of the first to be suspicious of marv yet being the last to vote. I know its scummy. But it had to be done.
PS: You guys remember that time when town started a last minute bandwagon and hopped twice? that was awesome. wtf is this post? On January 05 2013 07:38 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 07:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
He's afraid the people he's trying to manipulate can't understand him Foolish, it's not like old times. That makes no sense. On January 05 2013 10:30 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 10:17 wherebugsgo wrote:Foolishness wanna take a try at my newfangled game? I think you'll like it  Satisfaction guaranteed. What does one propose we do about the tube problem? It's really easy actually. Here's his filter from this game: This GameHere's his filter from Mafia XLVII: XLVIIThey look pretty similar don't they? Guess what role he was in XLVII? On January 07 2013 06:58 Foolishness wrote:Here are two of his filter's from games when he is town: Witchcraft MINI MafiaNewbie MINI Mafia XXXIIThe first thing one should immediately notice is the amount of times he's posting. In a 13 player game he had an outstanding 23 pages of filter. In a 9 player game (the Newbie game) he had 7 pages of filter in the first cycle (he was killed night 1). This is a guy who likes to post. He likes to be a Bill Murray or Coagulation. He wants to post and respond to everything that's going on. I shouldn't need to tell you that this game he hasn't even had a full page of posts yet. Though his filter has been mostly one liners it's clear that he does not care about this game. His second most recent post is this: Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 08:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 04 2013 08:23 iamperfection wrote:On January 04 2013 08:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 04 2013 08:20 debears wrote:On January 04 2013 08:18 iamperfection wrote:
you should join the wagon of justice as well debars Can we please keep CC around til at least day 2? I love the kid. He's so funny Nope. All serious biz this game. Lynch me Dibbers c'mon. hey you haven't tried to hunt scum at all. What have you to say to this accusation? It's not an accusation - it's truth. Truth for half the players too. Don't worry I'll be cooking up something later tonight after work. And he never followed through on his "cooking up". He admitted in one of his earlier posts that he's not contributing: Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 02:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Dat feel when waking up at noon. Perfection timing I guess. In b4 "omg active lurking"
Yes I'm not contributing.
@Anyone who knows about Palmar
Does stupid / dick Palmar = scum Palmar? Totally cool if we're going to lynch him for trolling. It'd make waking up heck of a less daunting task.
Although I'm curious how my lynch wagon will air-out, I think it could produce some interesting results. Sheep the vote on me.
As for my vote today -- bouncing between Palmar (prolly not) and some random Bob in the lurking zone. Tunkeg's lynch I can't see being built around anything serious.
@VE
Did you seriously warrant my vote based on a pre-game comment? Hehehe. But yes, I did go to sleep. For like 12 hours it was pretty epic laziness.
Sheep my lynch guys, gogo. But he hasn't done anything to try to redeem himself. He does not care. His taunting of us to sheep his lynch is also very disturbing. It doesn't accomplish anything for the town. He did it in the above post and in the following: Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 03:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
##vote: marv
Because sheeping dibbers and phone posting / not reading thread. In b4 im scum. What is the purpose of him doing that? It does nothing except draw attention away from himself. He doesn't want attention drawn to himself. He doesn't want anyone calling him out. He does it to make us scared of calling him scum. He wants out of the spotlight because he is mafia. In the two games he was town I put above, you can clearly see how vested he is in the game. Take one of his posts from witchcraft mini + Show Spoiler +On December 22 2012 07:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:THIS WAS TYPED UP QUICKLY, DON'T EXPECT TOO MUCH ORGANIZATION, BUT MY OPINION STANDS. I'M ABOUT TO ASK KUSH TO VOTE JX WITH ME. HE KNOWS HE WILL FLIP TOWN. THEN TOWN LYNCHES ME / DJO = SCUMWIN. IF KUSH VOTES WITH ME FOR JX -- EYWA / KUSH SCUMTEAM GG Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 01:09 kushm4sta wrote:
cheesecake are you kidding me?
I made the best case in this game by far, and honestly it had nothing to do with my analysis or logic. The only contribution from me was actually going through his filter, because his quotes spoke for themselves..he is that fucking scummy.
If that wasn't enough, there's his reaction, which is basically a scumclaim. His personality changes entirely. He seems angry and panicked. I go from being not his top scumread before the case to being OMG MUST DESTROY after it.
The case is damning, like you said earlier, but its his reaction that makes him confirmed scum.
Cheesecake
I just realized that my defense of him was total balls. It was entirely based on the meta of his first mafia game. So on my agenda is a closer look at cheesecake, which will probably happen later in the day.
Don't flatter yourself. The only thing I saw was a meta case which was questionable and his reluctance to lynch DYH. I truly believe Djo is Innocent, I cannot pair him up with a scumbuddy. Do JX / Eywa make sense? No, he's pushed for the lynch of JX hardcore and flamed with Eywa, who even called him part of the scumteam. Do I make sense? Yes, I do, but I'm town. Djo's only "scummy quality" is his reluctance to lynch DYH. That's it. If I recall, didn't KUSH actively attempt to PREVENT the DYH lynch? Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 04:31 kushm4sta wrote:
DYH makes sense to me about Mr Z. Mr. Zs play is exactly how I play as scum.. a too scum to be scum mentality.
Like im gonna act so scum that everyone will think no scum would be dumb enough to act like this.
Not really that into lynching DYH today because he's not that much a lurker anymore, and his case against mr z looks good and another reason I'll get into later. ATM i want to look at mr z. brb after goign through his filter.
Trying to protect his scumbuddy. Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 04:48 kushm4sta wrote:
fuck it.
I got a green check on dyh for scrying. could definitely still be scum but it's less likely. And his newer stuff does have more effort. FAKECLAIM! Calling it right now. You want to know why he was SAFE to fakeclaim? Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 05:58 kushm4sta wrote:
have people claimed witchcrafy yet?
also hapa do you know that you were shot Nobody else claimed. He was trying to see if any town were empowered by witchcraft. Thrawn also was likely to be witchcrafted, since I think at least 2 people voted for him. He also knows that at least I voted for him. He is completely safe to make this fakeclaim -- A scry on DYH. And DYH just happened to be the priest, how convenient. The entire situation just seems to convenient for Kush. He didn't even breadcrumb the god-damned check. Then, he tries to push a mislynch, JX. Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 05:42 kushm4sta wrote:##vote jiexian1 his cases are built on terrible terrible reasoning
2 he knew 100% morbidus wasn't scum..how could town know that??
3 extreme lack of content apart from 1 liners (even worse than me and I have 2 really good excuses)
4 process of eliminationHe kind of reminds me of Dandelion scum. I'd love to lynch djo but I don't think it's realistic today ;_; I'm saving my sick case that will totally convince everyone for tomorrow. Cause there is just so much scumminess hidden in so much bullshit that it's going to take forever to compile all that shit. On December 19 2012 00:18 JieXian wrote:
sorry for repeating myself but in the spirit of keeping things in 1 place,
thrawn's death solves his problem of having to deliver his promise = to push for him now
ok goodbye everyone going to practice.
Let's not forget hapa's blue shot thing. There's really no WIFOM case here, unlike thrawn's death.
Fact: Everyone thinks hapa and dp are a strong townie except for me and eywa given how they sheeped them and defended hapa when eywa had a case against him D1
Fact : People have voted for the strong townie - DP
Fact : the number of candidates are really small given the huge number of players who were considered lurkers, whom none trusts
Fact : Nobody can come up with a sensible advantage for mafia not to have vigi shot (and also NK) hapa Look at his reasons for voting JX... 100% knew morb was town... SO DID EYWA. Cases built on terrible reasoning... EYWA MORESO. Why does he want to lynch JX over Eywa? Because he's his scumbuddy. Look at his hard-defense of Eywa. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 14:32 kushm4sta wrote:Exhibit A: Ewya's alleged scumslip I don't know why you guys are standing for a townie that is supposedly "helping the town by bringing lurkers to post through accusing them" when that reason is a blatant lie.
Exhibit B: In which Ewya says im town On December 17 2012 11:46 Eywa- wrote:
Any scum would have to be out of their mind to side with me right now given how hot of a target I am... I don't see how it can help them... Kush is a civilian (but of course, you can lynch him too given that civilians seem to want to lose around here). This is just one of many examples of his use of the word citizen. Ewya says CITIZEN when he means town and TOWNIE when he means player. Remember this is his first forum mafia game. The only experience he has had is IRL mafia. Think about it: Does Kush EVER defend people like this? First time forum mafia game my ass, so what. Normal Kush wouldn't give a damn. Kush's case on Djo is OKAY to say the least, but it hinges on only one thing: reluctance to lynch DYH. Kush was SO MUCH MORE reluctant, trying to push another mislynch, and only bussing at the very last second. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:16 kushm4sta wrote:On December 17 2012 11:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 11:11 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 11:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
lol Eywa so angry at life right now.
Everything is reading scummer Not really, the majority has yet to agree with you. And a single person has yet to agree with you... I do. fuck off cheese. fuxk off hapa. fuck off thrawn. kush and ewya townbros4life. we scumslip 2gether we die together Why does he think Eywa is town?? Mad that he's getting pressured? Eywa Kush scumteam. And look at this BS: Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 07:49 kushm4sta wrote:
k this is pretty easy from here. I'm thinking jx djodrrff scumteam.
Naysayers prepare yourself for the sickest most convincing case ever tomorrow.
I know djodreffs scum meta very well and I know he is scum.
I voted thrawn, dp, mrz. Let's see, everyone that is dead and someone that claims to have powers. lol. DJO HAS PUSHED JX ALL GAME LONG HOW CAN THEY BE SCUMTEAM?!!? Anyone that's not Eywa. Eywa / Kush scumteam. Kush has done nothing this game besides push for the lynch of Djo and hard defend Eywa. This fakeclaim bullshit shouldn't instantly make him town. Both Eywa and Kush fit the profile of not wanting to lynch DYH. Kush hard defends Eywa, and attacks Djo for acting the SAME exact way he was during the lynch. Kush never pushes Eywa despite him doing the exact same "scummy things" as JieXian. I can't emphasize how badly I think they are scumteam. Eywa / JX makes sense, so does Kush / Eywa. Gotta lynch me a Eywa today. I can't put together any scumteam that excludes Eywa. My vote stays. I'll go Kush if possible, but Eywa is friggen 100% scum. ##Unvote:##Vote: EywaEYWA + KUSH SCUMTEAM DIE DIE DIEAsk me anything about this scumteam right here. I've got more ammo in the chamber for any questions. Kill them. Look how excited he is. "THIS IS THE SCUM TEAM GG", "DIE DIE DIE". He's excited to play mafia, more evident by the fact that he posts nonstop. He makes the infrequent long post like the one above calling out his reads. He helps and contributes, and most importantly he speaks exactly what is on his mind. He was never afraid to post before, yet this game he is. Mr. Cheesecake is mafia.
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I did notice a distinct lack of "What do you think of me? What do you think of me? What do you think of me?"
Possible town motivations: roleplaying personality? Hiding role? Intimidated by playerlist?
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also please don't disregard anything I said yesterday. Even if I was a little out of it, I can still read.
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Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it?
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So, everybody who thought Yamato was scum based on the check and shot is fucking scummy as hell.
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do people agree that all the roles probably have hidden powers like the two who just died did?
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On March 13 2013 01:48 Acrofales wrote:I just got done reading most of the fall-out from Yamato's shot and I think everybody who calls Yamato scum for it is either terrible or scum. Why the fuck would a scum Yamato use an anonymous vig-shot to shoot a confirmed townie and then own up to it. They could have used that power to take out some superpowered veteran with no fear of a medic, but instead use it to kill someone who was shitting up the thread. Yes, it was a fucking stupid move to shoot a modconfirmed townie. However, that doesn't make it scummy. SnB said this completely correctly. Vivax, Cora, Sloosh, VE all fail to see this, or are scum using it to try to wagon what looks at the time to be an easy mislynch. Out of these, I like Cora the least, but I'll keep reading. + Show Spoiler [brief thoughts on cora] +
Cora's early game was to attack Yamato based on meta. This from a player who I distinctly recall saying all meta cases are terrible in Duel mafia. He then gets extremely paranoid about dying when Kurumi posts fake shots in the vote thread, and is extremely defensive about his contributions this game, which, at the time were minimal.
Finally, when mocsta points out some stuff he thought was scummy, Cora uses some terrible misdirection to deflect the case, by saying Mocsta was just piggybacking on other people's thoughts. Not everything has to be an original thought, and if other people had good ideas, a townie SHOULD use them.
Regardless of whether it was original or not, the deflection seems like a guilty conscience trying to wiggle out from explaining something he had no town explanation for.
Every bolded part is proof you didn't read this game. I didn't read the stuff after the lynch before posting today but you didn't even read early game holy shit.
What's worse about this is that you forgive yamato for shooting a modconfirmed townie in your point of view and that makes even less sense than other derps/mafias saying he should stay alive.
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On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? It's not a "modconfirmed DT check"
it's a "modconfirmed DT check that also kills the person." Modconfirming a townie doesn't seem like a big downer for town when that person is also guaranteed to die.
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On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it?
foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum.
like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned
the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened.
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On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it? foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum. like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened.
i mean, like how wbg role was scum powers but town aligned.
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On March 13 2013 01:53 strongandbig wrote:
do people agree that all the roles probably have hidden powers like the two who just died did?
I' Not as extreme as bugs's, but I could see there being a lot of hidden minor bits.
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On March 13 2013 01:48 Acrofales wrote:I just got done reading most of the fall-out from Yamato's shot and I think everybody who calls Yamato scum for it is either terrible or scum. Why the fuck would a scum Yamato use an anonymous vig-shot to shoot a confirmed townie and then own up to it. They could have used that power to take out some superpowered veteran with no fear of a medic, but instead use it to kill someone who was shitting up the thread. Yes, it was a fucking stupid move to shoot a modconfirmed townie. However, that doesn't make it scummy. SnB said this completely correctly. Vivax, Cora, Sloosh, VE all fail to see this, or are scum using it to try to wagon what looks at the time to be an easy mislynch. Out of these, I like Cora the least, but I'll keep reading. + Show Spoiler [brief thoughts on cora] +
Cora's early game was to attack Yamato based on meta. This from a player who I distinctly recall saying all meta cases are terrible in Duel mafia. He then gets extremely paranoid about dying when Kurumi posts fake shots in the vote thread, and is extremely defensive about his contributions this game, which, at the time were minimal.
Finally, when mocsta points out some stuff he thought was scummy, Cora uses some terrible misdirection to deflect the case, by saying Mocsta was just piggybacking on other people's thoughts. Not everything has to be an original thought, and if other people had good ideas, a townie SHOULD use them.
Regardless of whether it was original or not, the deflection seems like a guilty conscience trying to wiggle out from explaining something he had no town explanation for.
Acro your best point you hid in the spoiler!
This from a player who I distinctly recall saying all meta cases are terrible in Duel mafia
I'd completely forgotten this. Witness:
On February 26 2013 00:13 cDgCorazon wrote:
3. When I get home from school (in a few hours), I am going to re-read the pages with the whole go around between the TL veterans (basically everyone but the lurkers, me, Adam, Yamato, and Dieno). It's hard to follow because you guys just sit around and call each other scum/town based on each other's metas, which in all honesty is kind of pointless. Metas can change at any point, and players can use their meta from one side or another to conscientiously give others a town read based on their meta. Don't read too much into them (which I'm afraid you guys are doing right now). I'm not saying that all of it has been meta talk, but I've seen way too much meta talk thrown around.
This game, witness (spoilered for length)
+ Show Spoiler +On March 10 2013 14:02 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 13:44 yamato77 wrote:On March 10 2013 13:43 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 10 2013 13:41 yamato77 wrote:On March 10 2013 13:40 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 10 2013 13:39 yamato77 wrote:On March 10 2013 13:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
That would be...the most disappointing ever. Wtf is this post English too hard Don't post stupid shit about grammar. Who is scum Yamato? Your meta tends to be that everyone should have the scum team down 100% five minutes in the game. Have you found the scumteam yet? You're a buzzkill Not fighting with aggressive people this game just finding mafia So you have backed off of your position on this from N0 of Duel Mafia? What position are you talking about? I think you've played with me once for a full game, and you think you know EXACTLY how I play? Lol. The position I'm talking about is when you basically accused me of having no scum reads 3 hours into Duel Mafia and basically told me that I needed to have 100% scum reads 3 hours into the game or I am scum. I know a general feeling of how you play. You're aggressive as town. You don't give a fuck if you die or not, as long as your top scumread dies with you: Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 12:56 yamato77 wrote:
Let the double lynch [Yamato and Hapa] happen
I doubt Hapa flipping mafia would change Adam's mind about me anyway, and I don't really want to be in another one of these things. The fact that you have decided to back way down from posts like this and play more passive is a bit suspicious. However, I'm going to assume the personality of whoever you are is influencing your play right now. I'll take a look later to see what kind of Yamato (or whoever you are) is going to come into town. Meta! On March 10 2013 15:36 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 15:29 Crossfire99 wrote:On March 10 2013 15:16 yamato77 wrote:
You haven't done anything, precisely. You must be walkin' on a slant if you think you dun somethin' so far. Yamato's already playing way too far away from his town meta for me to be comfortable. Meta! On March 10 2013 16:41 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 16:39 yamato77 wrote:
Your argument is that I'm scum because I refused to argue with you.
Not exactly a strong one.
No, it's the fact that you are not playing as abrasive as your usual town meta is.So Yamato, let me get this straight: You called me out in Duel Mafia for not having scum reads AND You're calling me out now for having a scumread. Please bow down to your King and tell me what I am missing. Meta!
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BWAHAHAHAAAH MY VOTE WAS ON TWO SCUM YESTERDAY TROLOLOLOL
FACTOR THAT IN SCUM! I'M GOING TO DECIDE EVERY FUCKING LYNCH
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Wow you're using changing opinions on how to play the game as argument against a player who just started playing mafia.
Town marv isn't this bad.
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On March 13 2013 02:00 Vivax wrote:
Wow you're using changing opinions on how to play the game as argument against a player who just started playing mafia.
Town marv isn't this bad. Eh, unless there's any reason to believe that cora's opinions have changed, you're again assuming something that you have no basis for.
I actually like that point, and now REALLY need to read duel.
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On March 12 2013 07:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +
1. You never said you think Cora is scummy. You said you thought his actions were strange, and you specifically tell him that you're not attacking him. The only question in your entire filter directed to him is "Why don't you try and convince me of a yamato lynch" which, by the way, he DID respond to....by trying to convince you of a Yamato lynch. Yet you referenced "questions you want answered" a couple of times in your filter as if you'd made a case on him that you were waiting on a response to. Here, I'll quote it so you can't call me a liar anymore.
Well he was refusing to answer cause he was afraid of scum making a case on him if he pushed his reads so I acted nice and he still didn't push them. Easier to get something useful out of the guy if he doesn't think I think he's scum but I'm not so good at that.2. I explained later why yamato's actions are scummy, his choice of target sucked and was a comfortable target for scum, as you see no one except for a few are blaming yamato for Kurumi's death, so it was a successful shot for him. 3. Okay. VE you wanted to lynch yamato now you sound like you don't since you disagree on me thinking the shot was scummy what's up?
UH OH VIVAX HURRY THINK OF SOME REASON WHY YOUR READ OF CORA HAS CHANGED BRO
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1 question.
Where the fuck is Iamp.
Vivax stop your fucking personal issues with marv and play the damn game.
Show us why he is scum without resorting to personal attacks or find another player to harrass.
You never answered 5 scumspects over Foolishness.
Ok
Who are the 5 people that are scummier than Foolishness, since you said your town read on him was based on elimination.
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On March 13 2013 02:00 Vivax wrote:
Wow you're using changing opinions on how to play the game as argument against a player who just started playing mafia.
Town marv isn't this bad.
It's a massive shift from one game to the other.
Stop being so fucking stupid.
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