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(1) I am going to bed
(2) Austin, thanks for a waste of a read on Corazon. You got me all excited for accepting yamato challenge on corazon.
I noticed you did not reference a single issues I raised to corazon.. in particular his image-centric agenda.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400204¤tpage=78#1544
In fairness, he hasn't replied to this case.
So my question to you:
Do you think his clear ad-hominem approach to the game, is still indicative of the townie Corazon you think you are familiar with?
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On March 13 2013 00:42 yamato77 wrote:
I want to argue with you on Cora a moment because I disagree with how you characterize the early parts of his post.
His early posting is roleplaying, and it feels stiff to me. There is something markedly different about his attack on me this game and his attack on me night zero of Duel that makes me uneasy. I suggest you read the early part of his filter this game and that game and come away with a better understanding of him.
Also, it makes the fact that he is unwilling to go away from me even more concerning. In duel, he was much more active with other reads while maintaining his read on me than he is here. I have him leaning scum in my books, because of this meta distinction. I will read that later today and revise. I am working off of the newbie game I coached, and have not read duel.
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On March 13 2013 00:38 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 00:33 yamato77 wrote:On March 13 2013 00:30 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2013 00:27 Mocsta wrote:On March 13 2013 00:25 Vivax wrote:yamato is a better lynch actually  Now this I disagree with outright. Anonymous vig claim holds for this cycle. Your whole town read on yamato is based onto his vig-claim? As said by me and S & B him claiming the shot beforehand was probably a requisite for his shot to work but he doesn't mention it as part of his role so people go around and say he's town for claiming it. It wasn't. If you could fucking read, it is an automatic function of my alignment check that I shoot town-aligned players. I don't know beforehand, and mafia roles don't get revealed or shot, I just get a PM saying they're mafia or third party. Stop misrepresenting what I've said about my role. Well that's even worse you used your role on a guy in the crossfire without asking him to stop trolling like I did or waiting some more to find out if he's actually scum. You actually justified your shot by saying that he martyred and had to die afterwards and not by saying that you wanted to check him while risking his death, meaning you justified afterwards that he died for trolling, not that he died cause you thought he was mafia and wanted to check him at the risk of him dying. So your whole motivation behind that shot doesn't add up in light of your role.
It was one of the factors that I considered when I thought of the possibility of him being town, yes. I didn't know his alignment, and thought that even if he was town for this, it was not a great loss because of how he was playing.
You should stop posting because I've said all this before. Fucking read.
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On March 13 2013 00:09 marvellosity wrote:
Anyway, I'm going to stop thinking about Foolishness and Vivax entirely for now because it's not helping me.
I had a random thought while smoking. If iamp as town is usually almost like an IC, why has he changed up his style so much this game just to roleplay? Is it worth it?
did anyone have any thoughts about this?
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Mocsta, at this point it is ridiculously obvious that you are grasping for ways to attack me. You've been indirectly hard-defending Yamato for the entirety of D1 and only gave a town read on Yamato right when you gave your attack on me. When Yamato flips scum, you're going to be next on the chopping block.
Your pathetic excuse of a case on me is basically saying that I care about my image, therefore I am scum.
When I write "I've been scumhunting and no one else has" is not me trying to look town, it's me trying to get everyone else to do shit because the first 12 hours of D1 was basically a shitfest. It was me getting annoyed, not me trying to look town.
When I wrote my reply to Marv, I was making a point. I don't think anyone wants me to just switch to Marv just because BnS' case was good and sit there not scumhunting for the rest of the day. That sentence is as simple as it is and you are trying to twist my words to make me look scum. Not happening.
Basically your argument is pretty crap and you are more interested in defending Yamato than actually attacking me and scumhunting in general. I'm pretty sure you are defending your scum buddy.
Getting to you next Prom.
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On March 13 2013 00:45 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 00:38 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2013 00:33 yamato77 wrote:On March 13 2013 00:30 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2013 00:27 Mocsta wrote:On March 13 2013 00:25 Vivax wrote:yamato is a better lynch actually Now this I disagree with outright. Anonymous vig claim holds for this cycle. Your whole town read on yamato is based onto his vig-claim? As said by me and S & B him claiming the shot beforehand was probably a requisite for his shot to work but he doesn't mention it as part of his role so people go around and say he's town for claiming it. It wasn't. If you could fucking read, it is an automatic function of my alignment check that I shoot town-aligned players. I don't know beforehand, and mafia roles don't get revealed or shot, I just get a PM saying they're mafia or third party. Stop misrepresenting what I've said about my role. Well that's even worse you used your role on a guy in the crossfire without asking him to stop trolling like I did or waiting some more to find out if he's actually scum. You actually justified your shot by saying that he martyred and had to die afterwards and not by saying that you wanted to check him while risking his death, meaning you justified afterwards that he died for trolling, not that he died cause you thought he was mafia and wanted to check him at the risk of him dying. So your whole motivation behind that shot doesn't add up in light of your role. It was one of the factors that I considered when I thought of the possibility of him being town, yes. I didn't know his alignment, and thought that even if he was town for this, it was not a great loss because of how he was playing. You should stop posting because I've said all this before. Fucking read.
Your role is more anti-town than anything. Already using it so early in the day on a player looking so bad at the time is scummy and only convenient for you.
You were willing to bet a townie life against a check that no one would believe cause it would have been a D1 check.
If you were town you'd be seriously stupid, but I know you aren't. Neither of both.
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On March 13 2013 00:45 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 00:09 marvellosity wrote:
Anyway, I'm going to stop thinking about Foolishness and Vivax entirely for now because it's not helping me.
I had a random thought while smoking. If iamp as town is usually almost like an IC, why has he changed up his style so much this game just to roleplay? Is it worth it? did anyone have any thoughts about this?
hmm i discarded it.. becauase in mafia LX he was smurfing as macho man and rolled town.
and didnt play like an IC, fo shizzle - might just be a phase?
Hes kinda slipped of my radar this game actually; but that also includes guys like Risk.Nuke.
In general wouldnt mind hearing more from them.
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Corazon, do you have anything to say about yamato's play in this night-phase? Any questions to ask him?
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On March 12 2013 18:34 Promethelax wrote:
my dear cDg
my special newbie
please tell who you think is red
please, which of these should be bled?
I would really like to see.
To all of you: Prom is writing in Limericks and he has just asked a question that you all could've asked about 24 hours ago.
I've already talked about Yamato and Mocsta, they are scum and obvious scumbuddy.
Who else am I worried about?
Acro: I'm waiting to see Acro's play D2, but his lurking has not helped the town D1. However I think he was traveling so I'm willing to give him a break. I want to see who he starts going after and if he is really scumhunting or only making smoke and mirrors.
Hiro: A lack of scumhunting as well. Not very many contributions to the town. Random vote on me for no reason.
Xfire: I really saw why you guys tried to lynch him. His D1 play was atrocious. However, I'm going to go look at his filter again to see if the fire some people lit under his ass motivated him to start playing.
Oats: I still like BnS' argument. I'm going to reread his filter again and see if he is worth pursuing after Yamato.
There are a lot of people who have not scumhunted and have not played the most townie game. Perhaps I am one of them, but I definitely not the only one.
Also, on a side note: ##Mayor: Austinmcc
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On March 13 2013 00:44 Mocsta wrote:(1) I am going to bed (2) Austin, thanks for a waste of a read on Corazon. You got me all excited for accepting yamato challenge on corazon. I noticed you did not reference a single issues I raised to corazon.. in particular his image-centric agenda. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400204¤tpage=78#1544In fairness, he hasn't replied to this case.So my question to you: Do you think his clear ad-hominem approach to the game, is still indicative of the townie Corazon you think you are familiar with? The town cora that I'm familiar with is consistent with what I've seen. I will read duel and see if that changes anything. I think you're overdoing it with some of your points in that post.
Your point (1) - cora says not to accuse him of not scumhunting. You accuse him of calling attention to the fact that him scumhunted to mean he's concerned about his image and that he's trying to set himself up as "confirmed town." I read that post as "You say I'm not scumhunting, but I have been." I focus less on the "first one" and more on what he's responding to.
Your point (2) calls out cora for If you really did want to push your scum read. you could have said simply
"I like the SnB case on oats, but I think yam is scummier. Im sticking with him" which is pretty much what I read 1/2 his filter as saying.
I don't think his focus has been on the right areas of the game, as of yet. But I do think that the way he's played has made him look townie. I'll return to this after reading duel, but right now I'm going to get some work done and I'll come back to all this later.
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On March 13 2013 00:50 marvellosity wrote:
Corazon, do you have anything to say about yamato's play in this night-phase? Any questions to ask him?
Besides the fact that he's only scratched the surface yet again with his scumreads and has called out multiple people, I guess I have one:
@Yamato: Who is your strongest scumread and why do you have weak scumreads on at least 5 players?
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Had VE as scumread before the shot, but didn't shoot him.
On March 11 2013 02:51 yamato77 wrote:
Iamp let's lynch VE
On March 11 2013 03:00 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 02:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
LOL this game. Vivax maybe you can explain what about that post you didn't like? Maybe explain why it's scummy and why you want to lynch me? Yamato is just butthurt that I found him so fast, but what's your excuse? VE not reading, just lurking. Speak and he shall appear.
Proof that yamato is scum
On March 11 2013 06:59 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 05:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
Hmmm...guess who has decided to lurk now that other targets are being hunted? Yamato and Acro...
##Vote: Yamato
Gonna start scumhunting? i'm at work you asshat it's in my filter What I will do is solve this Kurumi problem right now.
Yamato announces that the problem will be solved when he doesn't know if he gets a check back or Kurumi dies.
Yamato knew Kurumi would die and says he doesn't have to announce the shot in the thread but claimed it on his own - despite not knowing if he'll get a check back he says that "The problem will be solved".
The actual announcement comes later
On March 11 2013 07:06 kitaman27 wrote:Announcement!![[image loading]](http://www.heart-valve-surgery.com/Images/announcement.jpg) Kurumi is town-aligned.
His reaction after knowing Kurumi would die as town:
On March 11 2013 08:14 yamato77 wrote:
Watch this.
Pro GF snipe right here.
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you realize that a GF appears green to checks...
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Didn't we establish that the pro GF snipe line was roleplaying?
If he's town, he did a horrible job of communicating what was actually happening. But the text of that line is not part of his scummy play or poor communication, it was a throwback to a Bang Bang post, right?
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Now, aside from the fact that yamato didn't shoot his "scumread", he didn't play as if he expected to get a check back on Kurumi no, he posted as if he knew he would get shot.
What if he had the chance to get a check back from Kurumi (like he should believe), why announce something beforehand when you don't know the outcome?
Let's assume he expected to get a red check back on Kurumi, would he announce it in the thread or wait for the outcome and only claim the shot if he hit green? In case he hit red he could simply push Kurumi or claim the check afterwards. In case of green he could have stayed silent or claimed it or whatever he wanted to, but he chose the stupid way, why? Explanation: For his role to work he had to play the shot like MZ played it.
He had to announce that he would shoot someone in the thread for his role to work, but refuses to admit it. Every other explanation doesn't make sense unless he's a massive derp.
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On March 13 2013 01:02 austinmcc wrote:
Didn't we establish that the pro GF snipe line was roleplaying?
If he's town, he did a horrible job of communicating what was actually happening. But the text of that line is not part of his scummy play or poor communication, it was a throwback to a Bang Bang post, right?
Yes, me, it does appear to be roleplaying
On June 16 2012 17:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
After the game I'll tell you what you should have done differently supersoft.
##Shoot: Supersoft
Ya'll ready for a pro gf snipe?
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On March 13 2013 01:02 austinmcc wrote:
Didn't we establish that the pro GF snipe line was roleplaying?
If he's town, he did a horrible job of communicating what was actually happening. But the text of that line is not part of his scummy play or poor communication, it was a throwback to a Bang Bang post, right?
The "pro GF snipe" isn't what's so incriminating, it's him saying that he will "solve the Kurumi problem right now" before getting something back from the host which shows that he knew he would get shot, and thus knew he was town.
He wouldn't say that if he would expect a red check like he would from a scumread.
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On March 13 2013 01:08 Vivax wrote:
Now, aside from the fact that yamato didn't shoot his "scumread", he didn't play as if he expected to get a check back on Kurumi no, he posted as if he knew he would get shot.
What if he had the chance to get a check back from Kurumi (like he should believe), why announce something beforehand when you don't know the outcome?
Let's assume he expected to get a red check back on Kurumi, would he announce it in the thread or wait for the outcome and only claim the shot if he hit green? In case he hit red he could simply push Kurumi or claim the check afterwards. In case of green he could have stayed silent or claimed it or whatever he wanted to, but he chose the stupid way, why? Explanation: For his role to work he had to play the shot like MZ played it.
He had to announce that he would shoot someone in the thread for his role to work, but refuses to admit it. Every other explanation doesn't make sense unless he's a massive derp.
I don't understand. He said "pro gf snipe" after the check came back green.
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i should have hyped yamato as super-townie for that shot and hoped that if he's town, he could be like a shield for for me and if he doesnt die, he's scum - i wonder if this could have worked...
now we have to deal with him and the scumteam wont do us the favor to shoot him...
Vivax point is actually not that bad... "end the kurumi problem"
while kurumi already said he has a "scumrole".... it was uncertain if a redcheck would have helped us much...
solving = killing.
GF snipe? not really since he wouldnt have died if he really were gf...
ahhh whatever...
i believe yam. is just playing against our wincondition... but thats okay. i dont expect much more...
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I've even bolded the important part for you and you mention the pro GF snipe line.
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