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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On March 13 2013 00:16 yamato77 wrote: Vivax filter 6 pages. You gonna have to wait for that read until after noon my time, in about three hours. KK. I just wanted a "at this point" read. But if you awnt to do a read like SnB above.. no worries Im going to bed, and look forward to reading your feedback. | ||
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Vivax
22420 Posts
On March 13 2013 00:10 Mocsta wrote: I don't see marv as scum. If you want to policy lynch him in LYLO watever... we are in Night 1 - its not relevant Fact: marv filter has a good consistency in approach. I get an overall vibe that he is trying to really piece this game together & making an effort to communicate his point to get the other person to see his thought process. Thats pretty towny. His points also don't feel contrived. Scum happy to put a piece into the mix, and fuck off. I am not seeing that behaviour here. Marv is a *Very* valid medic save this night. + He claimed parity cop. And how does it affect your read on him if he doesn't get roleblocked? | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
On March 13 2013 00:18 Vivax wrote: And how does it affect your read on him if he doesn't get roleblocked? WIFOMWIFOMWIFOM | ||
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Vivax
22420 Posts
No scum doesn't want investigative roles to work there is no WIFOM version of it where they let them work so people think they're scum. If they do, well whatever scum-positive checks marv claims will always have a red and a green so he will have to claim roleblocks at some point if he fakeclaimed. Agreed on letting marv slip for the moment yamato is a better lynch actually  | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On March 13 2013 00:18 Vivax wrote: And how does it affect your read on him if he doesn't get roleblocked? Yeah agree with Yam. WIFOM This isnt a standard game. To RB in personality 1.. IIRC the guy had to do something specific to active the power. + my town read isnt based on the cop claim. I am saying thats icing on the cake. You dont like marv, cos he pushign you.. whatever.. discard that info. and look how he has pushed his agenda on everything else. One example is corazon... (now yes I have a vested interest in corazon) but the point remains, he went out of his way to communicate his read in an alternative manner because people didnt get it... there are other examples in his filter. Overall, I think he has been pretty fuckning transparent; and if a mayor election was in this game, I would throw my vote his way. I dont see who else could be a viable alternative? Maybe VE, but he has disappeared for a bit now. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On March 13 2013 00:25 Vivax wrote: yamato is a better lynch actually Now this I disagree with outright. Anonymous vig claim holds for this cycle. | ||
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Vivax
22420 Posts
On March 13 2013 00:27 Mocsta wrote: Now this I disagree with outright. Anonymous vig claim holds for this cycle. Your whole town read on yamato is based onto his vig-claim? As said by me and S & B him claiming the shot beforehand was probably a requisite for his shot to work but he doesn't mention it as part of his role so people go around and say he's town for claiming it. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On March 13 2013 00:25 Vivax wrote: No scum doesn't want investigative roles to work there is no WIFOM version of it where they let them work so people think they're scum. If they do, well whatever scum-positive checks marv claims will always have a red and a green so he will have to claim roleblocks at some point if he fakeclaimed. Agreed on letting marv slip for the moment yamato is a better lynch actually Just by talking about it you introduce WIFOM Don't be an idiot. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 13 2013 00:11 yamato77 wrote: SNB is obvitown. ... Now it's your turn. Give me Corazon. Not scum. Relatively new player, jumps in with a post that is playful and very visible. (I'm the king of hears, picture, jokes about not wanting people to be scum, jokes about killing folks, etc.) On March 10 2013 15:58 cDgCorazon wrote: It's 3 hours into the game, so I'm just going to disregard your vote for now. It's stupid anyways. Again, very open/brash. Tried to read some of wbg's posts and was one of the few people concerned about me as mayor, probably the most vocal in asking me questions about it. Both of those show that cora is trying to understand the game, in my mind. That's a townie quality to me. Very tunnel-y on Yamato. I have only read one game of corazon's, a newbie that I coached, and he was somewhat tunnel-y there, in terms of making reads and being set in them. Not really a tell either way for me, imo. However, he's putting a lot of effort into tunneling Yamato. If he's just looking to look active, he's doing it, but this reads more like he's actively pursuing this. (1) He defends why he stays on yamato rather than switching to oats, after saying he liked snb's case on oats and taking heat for that (sticks to his guns/case, does not appear overly worried about suspicion on him), (2) interpresed with responding to people about oats, updates his case on yamato. I read a lot of his posts concerning (1) above as townie. I don't like how much he's tunneling yamato, he's blind to other things happening. I don't love how much he likes snb's case, when I felt like it was a good starting point but was actually kind of weak overall (oats going after "easy targets" during the beginning of the game, and skipping some of oats's accusations).+ Show Spoiler + On March 11 2013 06:57 cDgCorazon wrote: townieI'm not pushing Oats because I am pushing my own read (Yamato). Just because SnB's case is good doesn't give us an excuse to sit around for 24+ hours and do nothing. I've already said why Yamato is scummy and now I'm voting for him. It's pretty simple. On March 11 2013 23:19 cDgCorazon wrote: I said I liked the case. You are looking way too much into that fact and you're just trying to shit up the thread. concern over shitting up the thread. While cora and marv WERE somewhat shitting up the thread, actively calling someone out for that while you're helping is NOT a good way of hiding that if you're scum. Calls attention to something you're doing that is scummy, not a good scum play, therefore more likely town play. Biggest dislike in the filter was this post, but mainly because it's subpar for town, not because it's scummy: On March 11 2013 23:46 cDgCorazon wrote: There are times when it feels like cora ... capitulates to marv? Like cora clearly wants to lynch yamato, clearly thinks he has reason to lynch yamato over oats or anyone else. But marv keeps hammering on cora and cora comes back with this, which I...dislike. Here, cora breaks out of the yamato tunnel somewhat, but not really. Minor comments on hiro, minor comments on acro, both of which could be useful if cora would flesh out his thoughts a little more. This is where, despite me thinking that towncora can tunnel like he was doing, I dont' like cora's play, because this is a clear opportunity to do something OTHER than tunnel, and he's just half-heartedly taking advantage of it. I have to go but I can't say much so: Hiro is the same when it comes to going after easy targets Hiro has not given much advice so I can't say anything about #2 However, their play is slightly similar. A big lack of thread presence and a lack of scum hunting. Hiro would be someone else I would be ok with lynching after Yamato. (That brings the list of people to Oats, Hiro, and Acro-who hasn't contributed much besides overreacting to everything). Overall conclusion: Townie. Starts out playful/open, is looking to understand the game, and I've seen him be somewhat tunnel-y as town. Could be more useful, SHOULD be more useful, needs to knock it off with the tunnel. your turn again: Acrofales | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On March 13 2013 00:25 Vivax wrote: No scum doesn't want investigative roles to work there is no WIFOM version of it where they let them work so people think they're scum. If they do, well whatever scum-positive checks marv claims will always have a red and a green so he will have to claim roleblocks at some point if he fakeclaimed. Agreed on letting marv slip for the moment yamato is a better lynch actually remember your lix checks? ask again why you were not RB hexed why, could it be wifom? I think it was that, though also from the way that you kept town perplexed. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On March 13 2013 00:30 Vivax wrote: Your whole town read on yamato is based onto his vig-claim? As said by me and S & B him claiming the shot beforehand was probably a requisite for his shot to work but he doesn't mention it as part of his role so people go around and say he's town for claiming it. It wasn't. If you could fucking read, it is an automatic function of my alignment check that I shoot town-aligned players. I don't know beforehand, and mafia roles don't get revealed or shot, I just get a PM saying they're mafia or third party. Stop misrepresenting what I've said about my role. | ||
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Vivax
22420 Posts
On March 13 2013 00:31 yamato77 wrote: Just by talking about it you introduce WIFOM Don't be an idiot. Look, marv claimed cop and is the guy to be killed super early as town so it's not WIFOM if I say that he's likely scum if he gets neither RB'd nor killed. If you're scum you don't say "Let's keep this guy alive so we push for his lynch for staying alive", you say "let's kill this guy cause he's a fucking dangerous townie". Any strong player dying early as town is proof for this statement else they could keep them alive to push them later right? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On March 13 2013 00:30 Vivax wrote: Your whole town read on yamato is based onto his vig-claim? As said by me and S & B him claiming the shot beforehand was probably a requisite for his shot to work but he doesn't mention it as part of his role so people go around and say he's town for claiming it. As said by me and S & B:Your Fallacy: Appeal to Popularity Your attempt to debunk Yam claim is based on conjecture. Nothing more, nothing less.. The combination of Yamato post with the role outline... and.. his post saying "refer to that, its all you need to know" makes me think its sincere. Nothing more, nothing less (and significantly less conjecture than your stance) | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Vivax
22420 Posts
On March 13 2013 00:33 yamato77 wrote: It wasn't. If you could fucking read, it is an automatic function of my alignment check that I shoot town-aligned players. I don't know beforehand, and mafia roles don't get revealed or shot, I just get a PM saying they're mafia or third party. Stop misrepresenting what I've said about my role. Well that's even worse you used your role on a guy in the crossfire without asking him to stop trolling like I did or waiting some more to find out if he's actually scum. You actually justified your shot by saying that he martyred and had to die afterwards and not by saying that you wanted to check him while risking his death, meaning you justified afterwards that he died for trolling, not that he died cause you thought he was mafia and wanted to check him at the risk of him dying. So your whole motivation behind that shot doesn't add up in light of your role. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 13 2013 00:34 Vivax wrote: It's N1. D2 we get a lynch. Honest, answer, do you feel that "Strong player who has claimed parity cop is not dead by D2" should = lynch that player D2.Look, marv claimed cop and is the guy to be killed super early as town so it's not WIFOM if I say that he's likely scum if he gets neither RB'd nor killed. If you're scum you don't say "Let's keep this guy alive so we push for his lynch for staying alive", you say "let's kill this guy cause he's a fucking dangerous townie". Any strong player dying early as town is proof for this statement else they could keep them alive to push them later right? If you don't, then it's not a matter than needs discussing right now. We can policy-lynch marv later. If so, you need to explain to me why Marv is the first strong-player policy lynch, and not Foolishness/Ver/someone else AND you need to explain why we should be policy lynching by D2. That basically starts a precedent of us ONLY policy lynching this game, which is ridiculous. Furthermore, we can assume marv is telling the truth, but we don't know that he's a cop, although it seems like he's also claiming to be VE, in which case compulsive, truthful claiming would make some sense as a role. | ||
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Vivax
22420 Posts
On March 13 2013 00:39 austinmcc wrote: It's N1. D2 we get a lynch. Honest, answer, do you feel that "Strong player who has claimed parity cop is not dead by D2" should = lynch that player D2. If you don't, then it's not a matter than needs discussing right now. We can policy-lynch marv later. If so, you need to explain to me why Marv is the first strong-player policy lynch, and not Foolishness/Ver/someone else AND you need to explain why we should be policy lynching by D2. That basically starts a precedent of us ONLY policy lynching this game, which is ridiculous. Furthermore, we can assume marv is telling the truth, but we don't know that he's a cop, although it seems like he's also claiming to be VE, in which case compulsive, truthful claiming would make some sense as a role. Vivax wrote on this very same page: Agreed on letting marv slip for the moment yamato is a better lynch actually | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
His early posting is roleplaying, and it feels stiff to me. There is something markedly different about his attack on me this game and his attack on me night zero of Duel that makes me uneasy. I suggest you read the early part of his filter this game and that game and come away with a better understanding of him. Also, it makes the fact that he is unwilling to go away from me even more concerning. In duel, he was much more active with other reads while maintaining his read on me than he is here. I have him leaning scum in my books, because of this meta distinction. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On March 13 2013 00:42 yamato77 wrote: I want to argue with you on Cora a moment because I disagree with how you characterize the early parts of his post. His early posting is roleplaying, and it feels stiff to me. There is something markedly different about his attack on me this game and his attack on me night zero of Duel that makes me uneasy. I suggest you read the early part of his filter this game and that game and come away with a better understanding of him. Also, it makes the fact that he is unwilling to go away from me even more concerning. In duel, he was much more active with other reads while maintaining his read on me than he is here. I have him leaning scum in my books, because of this meta distinction. yes, I agree with this, I re-read his filter in Duel yesterday and thought the same thing. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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