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Austin, you're over-thinking the situation and applying too many connections to this. It's quite simple.
Foolishness is playing like mafia, whether he lied about his read on Marv or not, or whatever it is that Marv is spewing on about.
His about turn on Vivax is ridiculous and completely in line with mafia motivations if Vivax is also scum with Foolish.
Since then they have both hard defended each other. Foolish and his mates have a history of doing this, a la Parallel World with BH/Foolish. It's like I'm reading a mash-up of LVIII/Parallel right now, to be honest. Scum Foolish/Vivax/Super all doing stupid things and covering Foolish up with the "don't lynch Foolish d1 cuz he's good".
Lynch them.
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this is hilarious. you quote a towngame where I smurfed specifically to hide my identity and change my style? Seriously Vivax?
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On March 12 2013 23:35 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 12 2013 23:29 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 23:18 Vivax wrote:On March 12 2013 23:12 marvellosity wrote:
Vivax, please answer my question. It's a very simple one. I already answered that I missed that part initially (I tend to read my scumread's filters not my townread's but I'm at Foolishness' right now it's not very big), but I don't give it much weight anyway cause him lying/make a mistake about earlier games when it's to express being unsure about a scumread on you doesn't look like a malicious intent. If he said he was sure about you being scum and backed it up with lies then it'd be another matter but in this case you're riding on a lie/mistake or whatever it was regarding a point that looks irrelevant for discussion to me. Who cares if he always thought you're scum when he was playing scum and only thought you were town when he was actually coaching the game when the whole point of saying it was that he didn't feel sure about his scumread on you. What's the mafia motivation you see here cause I don't. The point is, you made a specific effort to discredit what I'd said about Foolish without checking either mine or his filter. Because if you'd have checked mine, then it would have been clear to you as well. I don't understand this at all from a town perspective. Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 21:45 Vivax wrote:
He said he thinks you're scum but he actually always thinks you're scum so I don't see how he's lying to put suspicion on you. You're making up things. He just says he isn't sure about his read on you.
Don't see why would have to lie to say something like that it's not even to say that you're scum, it's actually a way of saying he doesn't know if you're scum.
Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 22:08 Vivax wrote:
he [marv] also says wrong things about what Foolishness said about him as pointed out in my recent post.
How can you claim I say wrong things when you've not even read what I've said. To be clear and repeat, you say marv also says wrong things about Foolishness as pointed out in my recent post.You're making a very specific claim here, one that's not backed up by you reading either of our filters. Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 21:45 Vivax wrote:
He said he thinks you're scum but he actually always thinks you're scum so I don't see how he's lying to put suspicion on you. You're making up things. He just says he isn't sure about his read on you.
Don't see why would have to lie to say something like that it's not even to say that you're scum, it's actually a way of saying he doesn't know if you're scum.
Why are you accusing me of making up things when I'm clearly not? If you've not read the thread or either of our filters properly, why are you accusing me of this? How can you possibly accuse me of this when you've not even read the relevant material? It's a very specific accusation you're making at me, that I'm making up things. Cause I didn't read things I thought you were making them up it happens when you tend to post compulsively based on not updated reads. Anyway I still lean scum on you that Foolishness thing is not the only reason but I'll post all my reasons when I see fit, for now I think arguing with you over these points only contributes to clogging up and serves no purpose cause you seem to be the only guy interested in them.
Your filter is 12 pages almost all one-liners so that's already enough to deal with, did you get Bill Murray as role?
R.OT.F.L.
L.O.L.
y so bad
u mad?
I say, this is swell!
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On March 12 2013 23:38 yamato77 wrote:
Austin, you're over-thinking the situation and applying too many connections to this. It's quite simple.
Foolishness is playing like mafia, whether he lied about his read on Marv or not, or whatever it is that Marv is spewing on about.
His about turn on Vivax is ridiculous and completely in line with mafia motivations if Vivax is also scum with Foolish.
Since then they have both hard defended each other. Foolish and his mates have a history of doing this, a la Parallel World with BH/Foolish. It's like I'm reading a mash-up of LVIII/Parallel right now, to be honest. Scum Foolish/Vivax/Super all doing stupid things and covering Foolish up with the "don't lynch Foolish d1 cuz he's good".
Lynch them.
I agree with all of that.
'xept I dunno about the PU stuff cause I didn't read that game.
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supersoft I'm kinda leaning town on for reasons I can't properly explain. I'm not sure about it at all though.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 12 2013 23:14 austinmcc wrote:Okay, read through what I've missed once. WHAT IS GOING ON!? I am not mayor. Boo. Vivax and marv are shitting up the thread. Boo. Vivax, you looked bad yesterday, but in a way that made me feel townie on you. I'm used to seeing you take crap on D1 as town, and it reminded me of games where that's happened. But all this crap with you and foolishness and marv is ridiculous. I'm going to throw away the bit where you didn't read posts, apparently, but made reads anyway. The part where you did not read posts, from a guy who doesn't have a lot of posts, but made reads anyway. One more time. The part of your read on Foolishness, the guy who hasn't been tremendously active, where you based your read on what you thought his posts might have said, but who cares because you don't need to read them. Instead, what is this? Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 22:52 Vivax wrote:
Well I think Foolish' initial post was a way of fishing for reactions since I'm subject to mislynches and scum pushing me and townies failing to read me, he had basically given zero reasoning for doing what he did and it lured two suspicious sheeps:
VE and Oats quickly. Within the last 5-10 pages, you (see above) based your read on Foolishness off what you thought his posts might have said. And now you're doing the same friggin thing. "I think Foolishness's initial post was this" when Foolishness said Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 16:13 Foolishness wrote:
I was gone and made an accusation based on what I skimmed through the thread at the time. Then when I came back to push the case further I realized I was wrong when I analyzed him. Which should be obvious given that I gave the proof. Foolishness - "I skimmed the thread and made an accusation that I realized was wrong when I went back and looked." Vivax - "I think Foolishness was trying to fish for reactions and he caught these two people." You always look scummy, but this is just straight out making stuff up and not listening to reason when you're clearly wrong. I remember you playing/looking scummy as town, but not outright just doing stuff like this. Stuck believing that this is real scumminess from you, and not the way you look as town. Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 22:57 Vivax wrote:
It's pretty scummy you are willing to risk one of the strongest town players to get NKd without even knowing what yamato's or my alignment is (and thus the validity of Foolishness' reads). This is crap. In Bureaucracy, Foolishness was afk for a while, got crap for not making any cases or doing anything, came back and made a big case on Bill Murray, and throughout his time alive added some minor suspicions on BH and Palmar. BH and Palmar were both mafia, BM wasn't. Also, Foolishness was mafia. Basically, out of his mafia reads, 2/3 were right, and he was the head of the whole mafia. His alignment should absolutely not be predicated on whether his reads are good or not.
Well yeah that was my own interpretation of his initial post on me and is also consistent with the fact I didn't look at his later posts before calling for medics on him. Consider me to have written things being still mentally in the phase before the Bugs lynch where Foolish didn't explain all his actions.
Put circumstance on : "Vivax didn't read the thread properly after he went to sleep" and you will understand why I said these things. I might be lazy and bad for it but I'm not scum cause of it.
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On March 12 2013 23:42 marvellosity wrote:
supersoft I'm kinda leaning town on for reasons I can't properly explain. I'm not sure about it at all though.
might it be at all related
to though things in our qt we debated
when during fruity you said he was red
but it was green I said
before with his spoilers I was deflated?
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Austin why did your last post say ABSOLUTELY NOTHING?
Reads pl0x.
Or are you scum, Hmm.
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On March 12 2013 23:42 marvellosity wrote:
supersoft I'm kinda leaning town on for reasons I can't properly explain. I'm not sure about it at all though.
Super don't get fooled by this.
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On March 12 2013 23:38 yamato77 wrote:
Austin, you're over-thinking the situation and applying too many connections to this. It's quite simple.
Foolishness is playing like mafia, whether he lied about his read on Marv or not, or whatever it is that Marv is spewing on about.
His about turn on Vivax is ridiculous and completely in line with mafia motivations if Vivax is also scum with Foolish.
Since then they have both hard defended each other. Foolish and his mates have a history of doing this, a la Parallel World with BH/Foolish. It's like I'm reading a mash-up of LVIII/Parallel right now, to be honest. Scum Foolish/Vivax/Super all doing stupid things and covering Foolish up with the "don't lynch Foolish d1 cuz he's good".
Lynch them. I am going to look elsewhere, and maybe I'm overthinking, but their whole little spat is just a mess.
However, for someone cautioning against drawing connections, you're drawing a LOT of connections yourself. Knock it off, let's play a game. I am going to pick one not-overly-vocal non-newbie non-supervet player. You're going to give me your read on that person, and also berate them for not being more active. Then you're going to ask me about one of the same folks.
strongandbig, go
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Austin why did your last post say ABSOLUTELY NOTHING?
Reads pl0x.
Or are you scum, Hmm.
(I dont have read on Austin Vivax. )
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On March 12 2013 23:44 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 12 2013 23:14 austinmcc wrote:Okay, read through what I've missed once. WHAT IS GOING ON!? I am not mayor. Boo. Vivax and marv are shitting up the thread. Boo. Vivax, you looked bad yesterday, but in a way that made me feel townie on you. I'm used to seeing you take crap on D1 as town, and it reminded me of games where that's happened. But all this crap with you and foolishness and marv is ridiculous. I'm going to throw away the bit where you didn't read posts, apparently, but made reads anyway. The part where you did not read posts, from a guy who doesn't have a lot of posts, but made reads anyway. One more time. The part of your read on Foolishness, the guy who hasn't been tremendously active, where you based your read on what you thought his posts might have said, but who cares because you don't need to read them. Instead, what is this? Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 22:52 Vivax wrote:
Well I think Foolish' initial post was a way of fishing for reactions since I'm subject to mislynches and scum pushing me and townies failing to read me, he had basically given zero reasoning for doing what he did and it lured two suspicious sheeps:
VE and Oats quickly. Within the last 5-10 pages, you (see above) based your read on Foolishness off what you thought his posts might have said. And now you're doing the same friggin thing. "I think Foolishness's initial post was this" when Foolishness said Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 16:13 Foolishness wrote:
I was gone and made an accusation based on what I skimmed through the thread at the time. Then when I came back to push the case further I realized I was wrong when I analyzed him. Which should be obvious given that I gave the proof. Foolishness - "I skimmed the thread and made an accusation that I realized was wrong when I went back and looked." Vivax - "I think Foolishness was trying to fish for reactions and he caught these two people." You always look scummy, but this is just straight out making stuff up and not listening to reason when you're clearly wrong. I remember you playing/looking scummy as town, but not outright just doing stuff like this. Stuck believing that this is real scumminess from you, and not the way you look as town. Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 22:57 Vivax wrote:
It's pretty scummy you are willing to risk one of the strongest town players to get NKd without even knowing what yamato's or my alignment is (and thus the validity of Foolishness' reads). This is crap. In Bureaucracy, Foolishness was afk for a while, got crap for not making any cases or doing anything, came back and made a big case on Bill Murray, and throughout his time alive added some minor suspicions on BH and Palmar. BH and Palmar were both mafia, BM wasn't. Also, Foolishness was mafia. Basically, out of his mafia reads, 2/3 were right, and he was the head of the whole mafia. His alignment should absolutely not be predicated on whether his reads are good or not. Well yeah that was my own interpretation of his initial post on me and is also consistent with the fact I didn't look at his later posts before calling for medics on him. Consider me to have written things being still mentally in the phase before the Bugs lynch where Foolish didn't explain all his actions. Put circumstance on : "Vivax didn't read the thread properly after he went to sleep" and you will understand why I said these things. I might be lazy and bad for it but I'm not scum cause of it.
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For reference, this is the justification he gives for thinking I'm mafia:
On March 12 2013 09:44 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 09:41 strongandbig wrote:
damn really? what am i missing here Actually, yamato makes a lot of sense. He's more trolly and abrasive when he's mafia. When I say that, I mean he's direct about his insults: "you're an asshat", etc. Refer to Fruity Mini Mafia to see this in action (when he's mafia). In Town Ain't Big Enough Mafia, he was town, and while his posting rate was the same, he wasn't as abrasive and didn't swear as much. More importantly, in that game he was actually helpful and contributing.
I have a history of being abrasive as any alignment. Ask anyone who has ever played with me, period. Also of note, scum Hapa used this same stupid fucking argument to justify his scum read on me in Duel/TTABE Mafia. Not a good reason, and complete bullshit. This is pathetic and not good enough. Hold Foolish accountable for justifying his reads, because he fucking isn't.
On March 12 2013 12:08 Foolishness wrote:No, there's only crappy evidence on why Vivax is mafia. When he's mafia, he spams one liners (with the very rare long post). See TL Mafia LX here. He's mafia and he literally did nothing day 1 except post one liners and derp around. Now look when he's town in British II here. He barely posts any one liners, and his posts have substance; he actually says what he thinks. He doesn't derp. And this game he doesn't have one liners and is clearly trying.
Another inaccurate meta analysis. Vivax is derpy as town, read LIX. He's also constructed as mafia, in LVIII. He tries as either alignment. You can't just brush him off as mafia just because he posts more than one fucking line. Complete lie, and something Foolish knows isn't true.
Scum Foolish is hoping no one calls him on his bullshit that knows better. I know better. Read the fucking games, realize Foolish is lying, and lynch his lazy scummy ass.
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On March 12 2013 23:45 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 23:42 marvellosity wrote:
supersoft I'm kinda leaning town on for reasons I can't properly explain. I'm not sure about it at all though. might it be at all related to though things in our qt we debated when during fruity you said he was red but it was green I said before with his spoilers I was deflated?
eh, not really. it's just feel. if he's really quiet all through day 2 then he can be worried about, but there's more pressing stuff.
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On March 12 2013 23:47 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 23:38 yamato77 wrote:
Austin, you're over-thinking the situation and applying too many connections to this. It's quite simple.
Foolishness is playing like mafia, whether he lied about his read on Marv or not, or whatever it is that Marv is spewing on about.
His about turn on Vivax is ridiculous and completely in line with mafia motivations if Vivax is also scum with Foolish.
Since then they have both hard defended each other. Foolish and his mates have a history of doing this, a la Parallel World with BH/Foolish. It's like I'm reading a mash-up of LVIII/Parallel right now, to be honest. Scum Foolish/Vivax/Super all doing stupid things and covering Foolish up with the "don't lynch Foolish d1 cuz he's good".
Lynch them. I am going to look elsewhere, and maybe I'm overthinking, but their whole little spat is just a mess. However, for someone cautioning against drawing connections, you're drawing a LOT of connections yourself. Knock it off, let's play a game. I am going to pick one not-overly-vocal non-newbie non-supervet player. You're going to give me your read on that person, and also berate them for not being more active. Then you're going to ask me about one of the same folks. strongandbig, go
Let me filter him. I haven't read much but Foolish yet, I'm just beginning.
I will say my initial inclination is that he's town, but that's weak.
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On March 12 2013 23:19 austinmcc wrote:
marv, let's argue.
It seems like every time you think someone who is well-respected for scumhunting is out to get you, you decide they're scum. I decide you're being an idiot and overreacting. Then palmar flips scum in ... Rock Band? And Foolishness flips scum in Parallel.
So, you've got the track record here. Do you actually think this is a strategy that would be continued? I don't see why, especially as it didn't work well for Foolishness before, he would do the same thing 2 months later.
Based on reading bureaucracy, I think foolishness doesn't put as much careful thought into his scum play as he does his town play. I could easily see him, playing scum by his gut, deciding to go for Marv.
That said, Marv - I wouldn't put quite so much stock in the "foolishness confirmed liar" stuff. It's possible that he got confused between games he coached or obsed and played in. I think that his relatively paltry and careless filter is a much more important piece of evidence.
Also @austin - I will not fall into your "long posts -> town" trap again!
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On March 12 2013 23:50 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 23:45 Promethelax wrote:On March 12 2013 23:42 marvellosity wrote:
supersoft I'm kinda leaning town on for reasons I can't properly explain. I'm not sure about it at all though. might it be at all related to though things in our qt we debated when during fruity you said he was red but it was green I said before with his spoilers I was deflated? eh, not really. it's just feel. if he's really quiet all through day 2 then he can be worried about, but there's more pressing stuff.
he isn't top of my list
I say we lynch fool and viv
we'll see if super should follow
for now I'll leave him to dawdle
its the first two who shall get my fist.
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Way to be useless. Are you calling Marv scum or town, based on meta? What a pointless post.
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Hey marv what pushed you to give a sudden townread on super out of nowhere when there is no reason to and you have no reasons to back it up?
Like, reason?
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On March 12 2013 23:52 Vivax wrote:
Hey marv what pushed you to give a sudden townread on super out of nowhere when there is no reason to and you have no reasons to back it up?
Like, reason?
yamato saying lynch you, foolish, super
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