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Okay, read through what I've missed once. WHAT IS GOING ON!?
I am not mayor. Boo. Vivax and marv are shitting up the thread. Boo.
Vivax, you looked bad yesterday, but in a way that made me feel townie on you. I'm used to seeing you take crap on D1 as town, and it reminded me of games where that's happened. But all this crap with you and foolishness and marv is ridiculous.
I'm going to throw away the bit where you didn't read posts, apparently, but made reads anyway. The part where you did not read posts, from a guy who doesn't have a lot of posts, but made reads anyway. One more time. The part of your read on Foolishness, the guy who hasn't been tremendously active, where you based your read on what you thought his posts might have said, but who cares because you don't need to read them.
Instead, what is this?
On March 12 2013 22:52 Vivax wrote:
Well I think Foolish' initial post was a way of fishing for reactions since I'm subject to mislynches and scum pushing me and townies failing to read me, he had basically given zero reasoning for doing what he did and it lured two suspicious sheeps:
VE and Oats quickly. Within the last 5-10 pages, you (see above) based your read on Foolishness off what you thought his posts might have said. And now you're doing the same friggin thing. "I think Foolishness's initial post was this" when Foolishness said
On March 12 2013 16:13 Foolishness wrote:
I was gone and made an accusation based on what I skimmed through the thread at the time. Then when I came back to push the case further I realized I was wrong when I analyzed him. Which should be obvious given that I gave the proof.
Foolishness - "I skimmed the thread and made an accusation that I realized was wrong when I went back and looked."
Vivax - "I think Foolishness was trying to fish for reactions and he caught these two people."
You always look scummy, but this is just straight out making stuff up and not listening to reason when you're clearly wrong. I remember you playing/looking scummy as town, but not outright just doing stuff like this. Stuck believing that this is real scumminess from you, and not the way you look as town.
On March 12 2013 22:57 Vivax wrote:
It's pretty scummy you are willing to risk one of the strongest town players to get NKd without even knowing what yamato's or my alignment is (and thus the validity of Foolishness' reads).
This is crap. In Bureaucracy, Foolishness was afk for a while, got crap for not making any cases or doing anything, came back and made a big case on Bill Murray, and throughout his time alive added some minor suspicions on BH and Palmar. BH and Palmar were both mafia, BM wasn't. Also, Foolishness was mafia. Basically, out of his mafia reads, 2/3 were right, and he was the head of the whole mafia. His alignment should absolutely not be predicated on whether his reads are good or not.
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On March 12 2013 23:02 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 22:13 Acrofales wrote:
Read back up to page 25, this time taking notes. Will be catching up today and you'll have all my thoughts by the end of the day.
For now I can say that Vivax entered the thread in an extremely wishy washy manner. Seemed like he wanted to lynch lurkers, but was afraid of saying so. This seems completely out of wack with his town meta, where he ALWAYS says whatever he wants.
Supersoft also tried his hardest to not step on anybody's toes. He "agreed" with Iamp's post, but when questioned about it, disagreed with calling VE scum. Effectively that means he disagreed with Iamp's post.
Also, a little bit about the lynch: if Vivax is scum, then there is almost guaranteed to be scum who refused to leave the WBG wagon. If he's town, then it's completely up in the air where scum ended up. Given what I think of Vivax's entry into the thread, I like the Vivax=scum theory. I will pay special attention to this list: Oatsmaster, Mocsta, austinmcc, iamperfection and prplhz.
Heading to the office. Will continue reading and analysing there. You should be on that list. Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 07:27 Acrofales wrote:
Fine. My flight's boarding and browsing your filter it is looking like duel D1.
I like that last post showing how differently bugs plays as town from his useless defeatist attitude this game, and my vote on Ver is going nowhere. I'll get back to that tomorrow. When I get home I hope I can make a better reasoned out vote, but for now:
BAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAA
##vote wherebugsgo Self-acclaimed Sheeping onto the bugs wagon. You never make those better reasons either, but w/e Then: Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 11:52 Acrofales wrote:
Marv, I am not sheeping you onto a last-10-minute bandwagon. Screw that shit. Explain why Vivax is scum. You need some cookies and a hug to switch from a sheepvote with no own reasoning behind it onto another sheepvote with no own reasoning behind it? wutwut
I think it was perfectly clear. I got home half an hour before the lynch and there were 10 more pages, on top of the 25 I hadn't read yet. No way can I read 35 pages in enough depth to get a read on the game in half an hour. I had some idea of how Bugs was playing earlier and then when he martyred himself I didn't much like that. I also had a town read on Marv, so I just sheeped that vote.
Then 10 minutes before the lynch people start wagoning a guy I had not paid much attention to at all. The reason Marv gave for not wanting to lynch WBG anymore was stupid (3P without any real evidence... and the 3P reads were all wrong, because neither bugs' role, nor the role he thought he had were anything to do with jester). So yeah, I stuck with the wagon I knew, rather than just throwing my vote on someone I hadn't analysed at all and had no clue about his alignment other than what Marv was telling me.
As for me being on my own list. Fine, I'll analyse me: looks at role pm. I'm town! Analysis over.
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On March 12 2013 23:12 marvellosity wrote:
Vivax, please answer my question. It's a very simple one.
I already answered that I missed that part initially (I tend to read my scumread's filters not my townread's but I'm at Foolishness' right now it's not very big), but I don't give it much weight anyway cause him lying/make a mistake about earlier games when it's to express being unsure about a scumread on you doesn't look like a malicious intent.
If he said he was sure about you being scum and backed it up with lies then it'd be another matter but in this case you're riding on a lie/mistake or whatever it was regarding a point that looks irrelevant for discussion to me.
Who cares if he always thought you're scum when he was playing scum and only thought you were town when he was actually coaching the game when the whole point of saying it was that he didn't feel sure about his scumread on you. What's the mafia motivation you see here cause I don't.
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marv, let's argue.
It seems like every time you think someone who is well-respected for scumhunting is out to get you, you decide they're scum. I decide you're being an idiot and overreacting. Then palmar flips scum in ... Rock Band? And Foolishness flips scum in Parallel.
So, you've got the track record here. Do you actually think this is a strategy that would be continued? I don't see why, especially as it didn't work well for Foolishness before, he would do the same thing 2 months later.
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On March 12 2013 23:18 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 23:02 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 12 2013 22:13 Acrofales wrote:
Read back up to page 25, this time taking notes. Will be catching up today and you'll have all my thoughts by the end of the day.
For now I can say that Vivax entered the thread in an extremely wishy washy manner. Seemed like he wanted to lynch lurkers, but was afraid of saying so. This seems completely out of wack with his town meta, where he ALWAYS says whatever he wants.
Supersoft also tried his hardest to not step on anybody's toes. He "agreed" with Iamp's post, but when questioned about it, disagreed with calling VE scum. Effectively that means he disagreed with Iamp's post.
Also, a little bit about the lynch: if Vivax is scum, then there is almost guaranteed to be scum who refused to leave the WBG wagon. If he's town, then it's completely up in the air where scum ended up. Given what I think of Vivax's entry into the thread, I like the Vivax=scum theory. I will pay special attention to this list: Oatsmaster, Mocsta, austinmcc, iamperfection and prplhz.
Heading to the office. Will continue reading and analysing there. You should be on that list. On March 12 2013 07:27 Acrofales wrote:
Fine. My flight's boarding and browsing your filter it is looking like duel D1.
I like that last post showing how differently bugs plays as town from his useless defeatist attitude this game, and my vote on Ver is going nowhere. I'll get back to that tomorrow. When I get home I hope I can make a better reasoned out vote, but for now:
BAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAA
##vote wherebugsgo Self-acclaimed Sheeping onto the bugs wagon. You never make those better reasons either, but w/e Then: On March 12 2013 11:52 Acrofales wrote:
Marv, I am not sheeping you onto a last-10-minute bandwagon. Screw that shit. Explain why Vivax is scum. On March 12 2013 12:00 Acrofales wrote:
Sticking with Bugs. You need some cookies and a hug to switch from a sheepvote with no own reasoning behind it onto another sheepvote with no own reasoning behind it? wutwut I think it was perfectly clear. I got home half an hour before the lynch and there were 10 more pages, on top of the 25 I hadn't read yet. No way can I read 35 pages in enough depth to get a read on the game in half an hour. I had some idea of how Bugs was playing earlier and then when he martyred himself I didn't much like that. I also had a town read on Marv, so I just sheeped that vote.Then 10 minutes before the lynch people start wagoning a guy I had not paid much attention to at all. The reason Marv gave for not wanting to lynch WBG anymore was stupid (3P without any real evidence... and the 3P reads were all wrong, because neither bugs' role, nor the role he thought he had were anything to do with jester). So yeah, I stuck with the wagon I knew, rather than just throwing my vote on someone I hadn't analysed at all and had no clue about his alignment other than what Marv was telling me.As for me being on my own list. Fine, I'll analyse me: looks at role pm. I'm town! Analysis over.
That's what I'm saying.
You apply different standards to your sheeping depending on it being bugs or vivax as its subject.
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On March 12 2013 23:19 austinmcc wrote:
marv, let's argue.
It seems like every time you think someone who is well-respected for scumhunting is out to get you, you decide they're scum. I decide you're being an idiot and overreacting. Then palmar flips scum in ... Rock Band? And Foolishness flips scum in Parallel.
So, you've got the track record here. Do you actually think this is a strategy that would be continued? I don't see why, especially as it didn't work well for Foolishness before, he would do the same thing 2 months later.
he did it twice. He did it in Bureaucracy, and he did it in Parallels. Now he's doing it here with a lie thrown in for good measure. What else can I say?
That he's town and calling me mafia based on a total lie? For what reason?
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On March 12 2013 23:19 austinmcc wrote:
marv, let's argue.
It seems like every time you think someone who is well-respected for scumhunting is out to get you, you decide they're scum. I decide you're being an idiot and overreacting. Then palmar flips scum in ... Rock Band? And Foolishness flips scum in Parallel.
So, you've got the track record here. Do you actually think this is a strategy that would be continued? I don't see why, especially as it didn't work well for Foolishness before, he would do the same thing 2 months later.
Haven't read either of those games, but it definetly looks like it.
Especially since he even notes how he "always reads marv wrong" and shit. Preempting a wrong read with excuses..
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On March 12 2013 23:12 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 23:10 Vivax wrote:
There is another option I didn't think through and it's that I read crossfire as slight town early, Foolishness repeatedly said that he didn't analyse him yet as he did me and yamato so if crossfire is scum then it would kinda make sense for scum Foolish to want to keep me around since if crossfire flips then I'd be a logical next step.
On the other hand after I flip town cause of that Foolish would look better for defending me early.
So yeah maybe I'm a bit too fast on the Foolish read but I found his defense of me townie since I would have been a good mislynch candidate as well, if he kept pushing me together with marv and VE he could have gotten me killed but he didn't.
I'll stick with town though cause there are scummier people than Foolish and losing him as town early is too big of a risk, if he's scum we will find out later anyway he's not the guy who can allow himself to make too many mistakes as town without being at danger of lynch. Too many assumptions. Ok who are the 5 people scummier than Foolish then? Cause I assume at least 5 scum players.
assume exactly that number
you silly ole bumbler
go read the OP
and say to yourself "gee!
Its five! I should be humbler"
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And the read was/is wrong.
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On March 12 2013 23:19 austinmcc wrote:
marv, let's argue.
It seems like every time you think someone who is well-respected for scumhunting is out to get you, you decide they're scum. I decide you're being an idiot and overreacting. Then palmar flips scum in ... Rock Band? And Foolishness flips scum in Parallel.
So, you've got the track record here. Do you actually think this is a strategy that would be continued? I don't see why, especially as it didn't work well for Foolishness before, he would do the same thing 2 months later.
So foolishness is town cause once bitten, twice shy.
Nothing else makes him town?
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On March 12 2013 23:21 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 23:18 Acrofales wrote:On March 12 2013 23:02 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 12 2013 22:13 Acrofales wrote:
Read back up to page 25, this time taking notes. Will be catching up today and you'll have all my thoughts by the end of the day.
For now I can say that Vivax entered the thread in an extremely wishy washy manner. Seemed like he wanted to lynch lurkers, but was afraid of saying so. This seems completely out of wack with his town meta, where he ALWAYS says whatever he wants.
Supersoft also tried his hardest to not step on anybody's toes. He "agreed" with Iamp's post, but when questioned about it, disagreed with calling VE scum. Effectively that means he disagreed with Iamp's post.
Also, a little bit about the lynch: if Vivax is scum, then there is almost guaranteed to be scum who refused to leave the WBG wagon. If he's town, then it's completely up in the air where scum ended up. Given what I think of Vivax's entry into the thread, I like the Vivax=scum theory. I will pay special attention to this list: Oatsmaster, Mocsta, austinmcc, iamperfection and prplhz.
Heading to the office. Will continue reading and analysing there. You should be on that list. On March 12 2013 07:27 Acrofales wrote:
Fine. My flight's boarding and browsing your filter it is looking like duel D1.
I like that last post showing how differently bugs plays as town from his useless defeatist attitude this game, and my vote on Ver is going nowhere. I'll get back to that tomorrow. When I get home I hope I can make a better reasoned out vote, but for now:
BAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAA
##vote wherebugsgo Self-acclaimed Sheeping onto the bugs wagon. You never make those better reasons either, but w/e Then: On March 12 2013 11:52 Acrofales wrote:
Marv, I am not sheeping you onto a last-10-minute bandwagon. Screw that shit. Explain why Vivax is scum. On March 12 2013 12:00 Acrofales wrote:
Sticking with Bugs. You need some cookies and a hug to switch from a sheepvote with no own reasoning behind it onto another sheepvote with no own reasoning behind it? wutwut I think it was perfectly clear. I got home half an hour before the lynch and there were 10 more pages, on top of the 25 I hadn't read yet. No way can I read 35 pages in enough depth to get a read on the game in half an hour. I had some idea of how Bugs was playing earlier and then when he martyred himself I didn't much like that. I also had a town read on Marv, so I just sheeped that vote.Then 10 minutes before the lynch people start wagoning a guy I had not paid much attention to at all. The reason Marv gave for not wanting to lynch WBG anymore was stupid (3P without any real evidence... and the 3P reads were all wrong, because neither bugs' role, nor the role he thought he had were anything to do with jester). So yeah, I stuck with the wagon I knew, rather than just throwing my vote on someone I hadn't analysed at all and had no clue about his alignment other than what Marv was telling me.As for me being on my own list. Fine, I'll analyse me: looks at role pm. I'm town! Analysis over. That's what I'm saying. You apply different standards to your sheeping depending on it being bugs or vivax as its subject.
If you're not going to read my post, then I'm just going to ignore you.
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On March 12 2013 23:18 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 23:12 marvellosity wrote:
Vivax, please answer my question. It's a very simple one. I already answered that I missed that part initially (I tend to read my scumread's filters not my townread's but I'm at Foolishness' right now it's not very big), but I don't give it much weight anyway cause him lying/make a mistake about earlier games when it's to express being unsure about a scumread on you doesn't look like a malicious intent. If he said he was sure about you being scum and backed it up with lies then it'd be another matter but in this case you're riding on a lie/mistake or whatever it was regarding a point that looks irrelevant for discussion to me. Who cares if he always thought you're scum when he was playing scum and only thought you were town when he was actually coaching the game when the whole point of saying it was that he didn't feel sure about his scumread on you. What's the mafia motivation you see here cause I don't.
The point is, you made a specific effort to discredit what I'd said about Foolish without checking either mine or his filter. Because if you'd have checked mine, then it would have been clear to you as well.
I don't understand this at all from a town perspective.
On March 12 2013 21:45 Vivax wrote:
He said he thinks you're scum but he actually always thinks you're scum so I don't see how he's lying to put suspicion on you. You're making up things. He just says he isn't sure about his read on you.
Don't see why would have to lie to say something like that it's not even to say that you're scum, it's actually a way of saying he doesn't know if you're scum.
On March 12 2013 22:08 Vivax wrote:
he [marv] also says wrong things about what Foolishness said about him as pointed out in my recent post.
How can you claim I say wrong things when you've not even read what I've said.
To be clear and repeat, you say marv also says wrong things about Foolishness as pointed out in my recent post.
You're making a very specific claim here, one that's not backed up by you reading either of our filters.
On March 12 2013 21:45 Vivax wrote:
He said he thinks you're scum but he actually always thinks you're scum so I don't see how he's lying to put suspicion on you. You're making up things. He just says he isn't sure about his read on you.
Don't see why would have to lie to say something like that it's not even to say that you're scum, it's actually a way of saying he doesn't know if you're scum.
Why are you accusing me of making up things when I'm clearly not? If you've not read the thread or either of our filters properly, why are you accusing me of this? How can you possibly accuse me of this when you've not even read the relevant material? It's a very specific accusation you're making at me, that I'm making up things.
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On March 12 2013 23:25 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 23:21 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 12 2013 23:18 Acrofales wrote:On March 12 2013 23:02 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 12 2013 22:13 Acrofales wrote:
Read back up to page 25, this time taking notes. Will be catching up today and you'll have all my thoughts by the end of the day.
For now I can say that Vivax entered the thread in an extremely wishy washy manner. Seemed like he wanted to lynch lurkers, but was afraid of saying so. This seems completely out of wack with his town meta, where he ALWAYS says whatever he wants.
Supersoft also tried his hardest to not step on anybody's toes. He "agreed" with Iamp's post, but when questioned about it, disagreed with calling VE scum. Effectively that means he disagreed with Iamp's post.
Also, a little bit about the lynch: if Vivax is scum, then there is almost guaranteed to be scum who refused to leave the WBG wagon. If he's town, then it's completely up in the air where scum ended up. Given what I think of Vivax's entry into the thread, I like the Vivax=scum theory. I will pay special attention to this list: Oatsmaster, Mocsta, austinmcc, iamperfection and prplhz.
Heading to the office. Will continue reading and analysing there. You should be on that list. On March 12 2013 07:27 Acrofales wrote:
Fine. My flight's boarding and browsing your filter it is looking like duel D1.
I like that last post showing how differently bugs plays as town from his useless defeatist attitude this game, and my vote on Ver is going nowhere. I'll get back to that tomorrow. When I get home I hope I can make a better reasoned out vote, but for now:
BAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAA
##vote wherebugsgo Self-acclaimed Sheeping onto the bugs wagon. You never make those better reasons either, but w/e Then: On March 12 2013 11:52 Acrofales wrote:
Marv, I am not sheeping you onto a last-10-minute bandwagon. Screw that shit. Explain why Vivax is scum. On March 12 2013 12:00 Acrofales wrote:
Sticking with Bugs. You need some cookies and a hug to switch from a sheepvote with no own reasoning behind it onto another sheepvote with no own reasoning behind it? wutwut I think it was perfectly clear. I got home half an hour before the lynch and there were 10 more pages, on top of the 25 I hadn't read yet. No way can I read 35 pages in enough depth to get a read on the game in half an hour. I had some idea of how Bugs was playing earlier and then when he martyred himself I didn't much like that. I also had a town read on Marv, so I just sheeped that vote.Then 10 minutes before the lynch people start wagoning a guy I had not paid much attention to at all. The reason Marv gave for not wanting to lynch WBG anymore was stupid (3P without any real evidence... and the 3P reads were all wrong, because neither bugs' role, nor the role he thought he had were anything to do with jester). So yeah, I stuck with the wagon I knew, rather than just throwing my vote on someone I hadn't analysed at all and had no clue about his alignment other than what Marv was telling me.As for me being on my own list. Fine, I'll analyse me: looks at role pm. I'm town! Analysis over. That's what I'm saying. You apply different standards to your sheeping depending on it being bugs or vivax as its subject. If you're not going to read my post, then I'm just going to ignore you.
Good.
Go do something.
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On March 12 2013 23:22 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 23:19 austinmcc wrote:
marv, let's argue.
It seems like every time you think someone who is well-respected for scumhunting is out to get you, you decide they're scum. I decide you're being an idiot and overreacting. Then palmar flips scum in ... Rock Band? And Foolishness flips scum in Parallel.
So, you've got the track record here. Do you actually think this is a strategy that would be continued? I don't see why, especially as it didn't work well for Foolishness before, he would do the same thing 2 months later. he did it twice. He did it in Bureaucracy, and he did it in Parallels. Now he's doing it here with a lie thrown in for good measure. What else can I say? That he's town and calling me mafia based on a total lie? For what reason? I don't really have a reason. Best I can chalk it up to is the same thing as with Vivax, a hastily made accusation, but that doesn't do anything because then Foolishness's participation in this game amounts to two accusations that were crappy. One he takes back, one is shown to rest on nonsense.
But I don't see a reason behind the other side. If he's mafia, why call you mafia based on a lie? Why do the same thing he's done, and something that you commented on in Parallel. You have not been lynched in either game based on his accusations. I can understand someone being less wordy, more one-linery, whatever when mafia as opposed to town, but someone calling out the same player every game he's mafia being a tell? That's ridiculous.
The only thing that even remotely makes sense to me is that you're both mafia and this is easy cover. Foolishness calls you out like he normal does when he's mafia and you're town. He gets lynched or vigged or something. You now point to your past games, he always does that when he's mafia and I'm town. Scum Foolishness knowing he can't stay alive forever, chooses to get oddly bussed for you.
That's STILL ridiculous. But it's the only thing even remotely sensible that I can find. Which then means that something is wrong, because you/Foolish/Vivax can't be doing whatever you're doing and ALL be mafia.
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On March 12 2013 23:31 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 23:22 marvellosity wrote:On March 12 2013 23:19 austinmcc wrote:
marv, let's argue.
It seems like every time you think someone who is well-respected for scumhunting is out to get you, you decide they're scum. I decide you're being an idiot and overreacting. Then palmar flips scum in ... Rock Band? And Foolishness flips scum in Parallel.
So, you've got the track record here. Do you actually think this is a strategy that would be continued? I don't see why, especially as it didn't work well for Foolishness before, he would do the same thing 2 months later. he did it twice. He did it in Bureaucracy, and he did it in Parallels. Now he's doing it here with a lie thrown in for good measure. What else can I say? That he's town and calling me mafia based on a total lie? For what reason? I don't really have a reason. Best I can chalk it up to is the same thing as with Vivax, a hastily made accusation, but that doesn't do anything because then Foolishness's participation in this game amounts to two accusations that were crappy. One he takes back, one is shown to rest on nonsense. But I don't see a reason behind the other side. If he's mafia, why call you mafia based on a lie? Why do the same thing he's done, and something that you commented on in Parallel. You have not been lynched in either game based on his accusations. I can understand someone being less wordy, more one-linery, whatever when mafia as opposed to town, but someone calling out the same player every game he's mafia being a tell? That's ridiculous. The only thing that even remotely makes sense to me is that you're both mafia and this is easy cover. Foolishness calls you out like he normal does when he's mafia and you're town. He gets lynched or vigged or something. You now point to your past games, he always does that when he's mafia and I'm town. Scum Foolishness knowing he can't stay alive forever, chooses to get oddly bussed for you. That's STILL ridiculous. But it's the only thing even remotely sensible that I can find. Which then means that something is wrong, because you/Foolish/Vivax can't be doing whatever you're doing and ALL be mafia.
austin stop being bad. why are you asking me why mafia lie to make townies look suspicious? It's mafia's MO, it's just not normally so blatant. Mafia for whatever reason repeat their mistakes all the time.
Foolishness repeated his mistake in Bureaucracy in Parallels. Wouldn't your argument in Parallels have held merit too? No, except he did it in Parallels having done it once before.
Hapahauli was caught in Mario Mafia partly because he attacked a quite clearly town iamp. Then in This Town mafia... he fucking did it again! Hapa is a clever dude yet somehow he fell into exactly the same trap.
Obviously I'm not entirely serious when I say Foolish calling me out is a tell. But when he's calling me mafia, giving himself an out "i always read him wrong" and that out is a lie... well I don't know what to tell you.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 12 2013 23:29 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 23:18 Vivax wrote:On March 12 2013 23:12 marvellosity wrote:
Vivax, please answer my question. It's a very simple one. I already answered that I missed that part initially (I tend to read my scumread's filters not my townread's but I'm at Foolishness' right now it's not very big), but I don't give it much weight anyway cause him lying/make a mistake about earlier games when it's to express being unsure about a scumread on you doesn't look like a malicious intent. If he said he was sure about you being scum and backed it up with lies then it'd be another matter but in this case you're riding on a lie/mistake or whatever it was regarding a point that looks irrelevant for discussion to me. Who cares if he always thought you're scum when he was playing scum and only thought you were town when he was actually coaching the game when the whole point of saying it was that he didn't feel sure about his scumread on you. What's the mafia motivation you see here cause I don't. The point is, you made a specific effort to discredit what I'd said about Foolish without checking either mine or his filter. Because if you'd have checked mine, then it would have been clear to you as well. I don't understand this at all from a town perspective. Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 21:45 Vivax wrote:
He said he thinks you're scum but he actually always thinks you're scum so I don't see how he's lying to put suspicion on you. You're making up things. He just says he isn't sure about his read on you.
Don't see why would have to lie to say something like that it's not even to say that you're scum, it's actually a way of saying he doesn't know if you're scum.
Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 22:08 Vivax wrote:
he [marv] also says wrong things about what Foolishness said about him as pointed out in my recent post.
How can you claim I say wrong things when you've not even read what I've said. To be clear and repeat, you say marv also says wrong things about Foolishness as pointed out in my recent post.You're making a very specific claim here, one that's not backed up by you reading either of our filters. Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 21:45 Vivax wrote:
He said he thinks you're scum but he actually always thinks you're scum so I don't see how he's lying to put suspicion on you. You're making up things. He just says he isn't sure about his read on you.
Don't see why would have to lie to say something like that it's not even to say that you're scum, it's actually a way of saying he doesn't know if you're scum.
Why are you accusing me of making up things when I'm clearly not? If you've not read the thread or either of our filters properly, why are you accusing me of this? How can you possibly accuse me of this when you've not even read the relevant material? It's a very specific accusation you're making at me, that I'm making up things.
Cause I didn't read things I thought you were making them up it happens when you tend to post compulsively based on not updated reads.
Anyway I still lean scum on you that Foolishness thing is not the only reason but I'll post all my reasons when I see fit, for now I think arguing with you over these points only contributes to clogging up and serves no purpose cause you seem to be the only guy interested in them.
Your filter is 12 pages almost all one-liners so that's already enough to deal with, did you get Bill Murray as role?
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On March 12 2013 23:35 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 12 2013 23:29 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 23:18 Vivax wrote:On March 12 2013 23:12 marvellosity wrote:
Vivax, please answer my question. It's a very simple one. I already answered that I missed that part initially (I tend to read my scumread's filters not my townread's but I'm at Foolishness' right now it's not very big), but I don't give it much weight anyway cause him lying/make a mistake about earlier games when it's to express being unsure about a scumread on you doesn't look like a malicious intent. If he said he was sure about you being scum and backed it up with lies then it'd be another matter but in this case you're riding on a lie/mistake or whatever it was regarding a point that looks irrelevant for discussion to me. Who cares if he always thought you're scum when he was playing scum and only thought you were town when he was actually coaching the game when the whole point of saying it was that he didn't feel sure about his scumread on you. What's the mafia motivation you see here cause I don't. The point is, you made a specific effort to discredit what I'd said about Foolish without checking either mine or his filter. Because if you'd have checked mine, then it would have been clear to you as well. I don't understand this at all from a town perspective. Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 21:45 Vivax wrote:
He said he thinks you're scum but he actually always thinks you're scum so I don't see how he's lying to put suspicion on you. You're making up things. He just says he isn't sure about his read on you.
Don't see why would have to lie to say something like that it's not even to say that you're scum, it's actually a way of saying he doesn't know if you're scum.
Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 22:08 Vivax wrote:
he [marv] also says wrong things about what Foolishness said about him as pointed out in my recent post.
How can you claim I say wrong things when you've not even read what I've said. To be clear and repeat, you say marv also says wrong things about Foolishness as pointed out in my recent post.You're making a very specific claim here, one that's not backed up by you reading either of our filters. Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 21:45 Vivax wrote:
He said he thinks you're scum but he actually always thinks you're scum so I don't see how he's lying to put suspicion on you. You're making up things. He just says he isn't sure about his read on you.
Don't see why would have to lie to say something like that it's not even to say that you're scum, it's actually a way of saying he doesn't know if you're scum.
Why are you accusing me of making up things when I'm clearly not? If you've not read the thread or either of our filters properly, why are you accusing me of this? How can you possibly accuse me of this when you've not even read the relevant material? It's a very specific accusation you're making at me, that I'm making up things. Cause I didn't read things I thought you were making them up it happens when you tend to post compulsively based on not updated reads. Anyway I still lean scum on you that Foolishness thing is not the only reason but I'll post all my reasons when I see fit, for now I think arguing with you over these points only contributes to clogging up and serves no purpose cause you seem to be the only guy interested in them. Your filter is 12 pages almost all one-liners so that's already enough to deal with, did you get Bill Murray as role?
My filter is always long, it always has one-liners, and there's a shitload of stuff that isn't oneliners. Get a grip.
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On March 12 2013 23:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
So foolishness is town cause once bitten, twice shy.
Nothing else makes him town?
I don't know wtf makes him town.
I don't like his play here, but I've only ever played with him when he was scum. I thought his suspicion on marv in Parallel was odd, but not scummy, and he turned out to be scum. In bureaucracy he didn't do oodles, but 2/3 of his primary reads were correct, when I skim that game back over, and he turned out to be scum.
So...things I would normally take as townie ended with him being scum. I think I'm just influenced by the fact I've only played games with him where he's scum. But something ain't right with this Foolishness/marv/vivax bit. Or, maybe better put, something is scummy and something else is just dumb here. Unlikely to all be an elaborate show, unlikely to all be silliness.
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On March 12 2013 23:36 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 23:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
So foolishness is town cause once bitten, twice shy.
Nothing else makes him town?
I don't know wtf makes him town. I don't like his play here, but I've only ever played with him when he was scum. I thought his suspicion on marv in Parallel was odd, but not scummy, and he turned out to be scum. In bureaucracy he didn't do oodles, but 2/3 of his primary reads were correct, when I skim that game back over, and he turned out to be scum. So...things I would normally take as townie ended with him being scum. I think I'm just influenced by the fact I've only played games with him where he's scum. But something ain't right with this Foolishness/marv/vivax bit. Or, maybe better put, something is scummy and something else is just dumb here. Unlikely to all be an elaborate show, unlikely to all be silliness.
here's a clue
look at the players lieing and misrepresenting people
look at the player who isn't
ding ding ding!
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