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you're not town Vivax.
On March 12 2013 22:26 marvellosity wrote:
Vivax needs to be ignored as a liar as well now. He defended Foolishness, and attacked me, on the basis of points that he'd not even read. How can he call Foolishness correct and me wrong when he hasn't even read the exchange? If he had read the exchange it would be quite clear Foolish was lying.
Therefore Vivax is just attacking me for the sake of attacking me, and defending Foolish for the sake of defending Foolish, without actually reading the relevant material.
If town this is just disgraceful, and if mafia it makes a lot of sense.
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Vivax
You have a hard-on for Foolishness because he was the only one that defended your 'town' honour.
Consider this... already he "knew" you were town.. actually makes a bit of sense.
One of the best TL Mafia players comes in
Says a big story bullshit post, that says implies Vivax is mafia with no reasoning
Ppl starting coming up with reasons, and the Vivax train train leaves the station.
Then Foolishness openly declares you town based on "meta...".. and if you flip he looks like the awesome scum killer as per his reputation
Now, whether my "tale" is true or not. i dont know. You will have to ask foolishness.
But when the a majority of the thread is against you, and guy defends you SOLELY on meta... i think thats concerning.
You're one of the most unpredictable guys on this forum, and by virtue one of the hardest to read on meta.. yet he does it having played one/two games with you??
Something is not adding up here.
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On March 12 2013 22:13 Acrofales wrote:
I will pay special attention to this list: Oatsmaster, Mocsta, austinmcc, iamperfection and prplhz.
I said im watching you first. So your list means diddly squat.
You keep pretending to make those contributions Acro.
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On March 12 2013 22:39 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 22:13 Acrofales wrote:
I will pay special attention to this list: Oatsmaster, Mocsta, austinmcc, iamperfection and prplhz. I said im watching you first. So your list means diddly squat. You keep pretending to make those contributions Acro.
What's the point in this post, Mocsta? :/
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On March 12 2013 22:35 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 22:27 Vivax wrote:On March 12 2013 22:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 12 2013 22:21 Vivax wrote:On March 12 2013 22:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
I said he is a good shot, like 5 other people. big whoop.
You are basically asking for protection, for a person you arent even sure of as town.
Defending mislynchable townies isnt a towntell at all. Any player could do it.
Also why the fuck does he also wanting to lynch your target a town tell? Again all these things just make you feel good.
*Oh foolishness is defending me he must be town. Oh he is voting for the same person Im voting for? OH MY I JUST LED FOOLISHNESS ONTO A LYNCH!!!!*
so yeah.
Oh it's cool you know I'm town  Oh its cool that you totally ignored the meat of that message and choosed to focus on the littlest bit in your favor. Cute. You scumslipped you don't have me as town in your reads.
Shoot Oats or lynch him tomorrow Again kinda cute. But its getting old. I am assuming you are town in that paragraph because you have given foolishness a town read cause you are town. So from the perspective that you displayed, I am saying why its totally wrong. Any other 'scumslips'?
Well let's put the scumslip aside for now then and affront your argument: I think Foolishness is town and your argument is not going to change anything about it, if you think I'm scum then why are you trying to dissuade me from saying Foolishness is town?
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On March 12 2013 22:26 marvellosity wrote:
Vivax needs to be ignored as a liar as well now. He defended Foolishness, and attacked me, on the basis of points that he'd not even read. How can he call Foolishness correct and me wrong when he hasn't even read the exchange? If he had read the exchange it would be quite clear Foolish was lying.
Therefore Vivax is just attacking me for the sake of attacking me, and defending Foolish for the sake of defending Foolish, without actually reading the relevant material.
If town this is just disgraceful, and if mafia it makes a lot of sense.
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Can you answer why you did this, Vivax? I seriously would like to know how you can defend Foolish and attack me on an issue that you've not even read.
Please enlighten me.
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On March 12 2013 22:41 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 22:39 Mocsta wrote:On March 12 2013 22:13 Acrofales wrote:
I will pay special attention to this list: Oatsmaster, Mocsta, austinmcc, iamperfection and prplhz. I said im watching you first. So your list means diddly squat. You keep pretending to make those contributions Acro. What's the point in this post, Mocsta? :/
We know that hes been on a business trip so hasnt had time to critically think about the thread.
I accept that.
However, he said he is critically up to around page 25 or something.. and calling out people already. (conveniently no vets to boot)
thats just stupid? page 25 is still early game, and a lot happened in the next 50 pages.
Its him trying to show a sign of life, and for what reason: other than caring about image.
So yes, my post has a point: I don't like Acro so far and am very eager to hear him flesh out his scum reads in the next say, 24hrs.
I am making it clear to him I have not forgotten he is on the playing roster.
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On March 12 2013 22:42 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 22:35 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 12 2013 22:27 Vivax wrote:On March 12 2013 22:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 12 2013 22:21 Vivax wrote:On March 12 2013 22:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
I said he is a good shot, like 5 other people. big whoop.
You are basically asking for protection, for a person you arent even sure of as town.
Defending mislynchable townies isnt a towntell at all. Any player could do it.
Also why the fuck does he also wanting to lynch your target a town tell? Again all these things just make you feel good.
*Oh foolishness is defending me he must be town. Oh he is voting for the same person Im voting for? OH MY I JUST LED FOOLISHNESS ONTO A LYNCH!!!!*
so yeah.
Oh it's cool you know I'm town Oh its cool that you totally ignored the meat of that message and choosed to focus on the littlest bit in your favor. Cute. You scumslipped you don't have me as town in your reads.
Shoot Oats or lynch him tomorrow Again kinda cute. But its getting old. I am assuming you are town in that paragraph because you have given foolishness a town read cause you are town. So from the perspective that you displayed, I am saying why its totally wrong. Any other 'scumslips'? Well let's put the scumslip aside for now then and affront your argument: I think Foolishness is town and your argument is not going to change anything about it, if you think I'm scum then why are you trying to dissuade me from saying Foolishness is town?
Because my argument is wrong? But it isnt.
Im trying to convince people that foolishness is scum, you are people right?
Also to not fucking waste night actions on him.
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ok Mocsta, but I don't see why you'd think he had forgotten about you. Let him do his thing and we can judge him on that.
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er, you'd forgotten about him, sorry.
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I am going back to HotS
Vivax
Its annoying you just ignore what I wrote about Foolishness and him being the only person that saw you as town
If he was more pro-town, I could agree with your read (i.e. probably town). But with the lying and low thread presence etc; it casts much doubt of the validity of his read.
Now I am assuming here you are town: cos you defending someone so hard due solely to them thinking you were town when no one else did.
But the more you keep ignoring valid arguments (e.g. lying etc) the quicker this heuristic gets thrown out the window.
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On March 12 2013 22:37 Mocsta wrote:VivaxYou have a hard-on for Foolishness because he was the only one that defended your 'town' honour. Consider this... already he "knew" you were town.. actually makes a bit of sense. One of the best TL Mafia players comes in Show nested quote +Says a big story bullshit post, that says implies Vivax is mafia with no reasoning
Ppl starting coming up with reasons, and the Vivax train train leaves the station.
Then Foolishness openly declares you town based on "meta...".. and if you flip he looks like the awesome scum killer as per his reputation Now, whether my "tale" is true or not. i dont know. You will have to ask foolishness. But when the a majority of the thread is against you, and guy defends you SOLELY on meta... i think thats concerning.You're one of the most unpredictable guys on this forum, and by virtue one of the hardest to read on meta.. yet he does it having played one/two games with you?? Something is not adding up here.
Well I think Foolish' initial post was a way of fishing for reactions since I'm subject to mislynches and scum pushing me and townies failing to read me, he had basically given zero reasoning for doing what he did and it lured two suspicious sheeps:
VE and Oats quickly.
Anyway Mocsta I'm not scum and I think marv is trying to push me in the foreground with all he's doing, not trying to determine if I'm scum.
I know I'm loud and catch attention easily in negative ways but if you look at LX I managed to not get myself lynched until people figured out the play with the NKs, there is a reason I don't give a fuck early this game and it's cause I'm town.
If you think I'm hard to read then I suggest you start from the safe assumption I'm town or put me as scum in your 4/5 list and we discuss other options, cause there's nothing productive coming out of me being in the crossfire and marv shoveling shit at me as of now.
I discuss my reads openly and with no fear so it should become obvious in not much time that I'm not scum.
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I'll stop shovelling shit at you if you can answer my question properly, Viv.
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On March 12 2013 22:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 22:42 Vivax wrote:On March 12 2013 22:35 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 12 2013 22:27 Vivax wrote:On March 12 2013 22:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 12 2013 22:21 Vivax wrote:On March 12 2013 22:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
I said he is a good shot, like 5 other people. big whoop.
You are basically asking for protection, for a person you arent even sure of as town.
Defending mislynchable townies isnt a towntell at all. Any player could do it.
Also why the fuck does he also wanting to lynch your target a town tell? Again all these things just make you feel good.
*Oh foolishness is defending me he must be town. Oh he is voting for the same person Im voting for? OH MY I JUST LED FOOLISHNESS ONTO A LYNCH!!!!*
so yeah.
Oh it's cool you know I'm town Oh its cool that you totally ignored the meat of that message and choosed to focus on the littlest bit in your favor. Cute. You scumslipped you don't have me as town in your reads.
Shoot Oats or lynch him tomorrow Again kinda cute. But its getting old. I am assuming you are town in that paragraph because you have given foolishness a town read cause you are town. So from the perspective that you displayed, I am saying why its totally wrong. Any other 'scumslips'? Well let's put the scumslip aside for now then and affront your argument: I think Foolishness is town and your argument is not going to change anything about it, if you think I'm scum then why are you trying to dissuade me from saying Foolishness is town? Because my argument is wrong? But it isnt. Im trying to convince people that foolishness is scum, you are people right? Also to not fucking waste night actions on him.
It's pretty scummy you are willing to risk one of the strongest town players to get NKd without even knowing what yamato's or my alignment is (and thus the validity of Foolishness' reads). He was right about not pushing Bugs, so that's one more in his favour over people like marv and VE.
I would like to hear your arguments for why you think Foolish is scum cause it's not me you have to dissuade from protting him, it's the medics.
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Cause foolishness has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. other than defend you. and vote for crossfire. But he didnt actually push anything, do anything remotely townie.
Nope.
Just derped around like a newbie.
Is Foolishness a newbie? No.
1. Foolishness is not the best potential town player.
2. Foolishness doesnt look like town.
How do you get to the point where he should be protected?
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I actually like the second half of that last post from Vivax.
It has a good calmness about it.
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My problem is the first half.
Vivax. Your defending Foolishness purely off what you *THINK* his intentions were from his story post?
What about everything else?
What if you have misjudged his intentions (which HE explained as... he thought you were scum so wrote a post about his scum read).
Are you saying he lied about that?
i.e.
On March 12 2013 16:13 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 16:10 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 12 2013 16:05 Mocsta wrote:On March 12 2013 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 12 2013 15:37 Mocsta wrote:On March 12 2013 15:35 Oatsmaster wrote:Still pretty sure Vivax is scum. Also that means that Foolishness is scum, which is hilarious Why does Vivax = scum => Foolishness MUST = scum? Cause I would assume that he is good enough to not try and defend someone who is scum/not so townie. Like if he read the two filters and called them different when in actual fact they are the same. Its kinda like if a chicken farmer tells you his chickens are fine, but in actual fact they arent, you know that the chicken farmer knew too and was lying to you. hmm.. well you can only have one lynch a cycle. With the information currently, do you prefer foolishness or vivax? Vivax ALL THE WAY. Actually I dont know why Foolishness defended Vivax just by a short few lines of meta. Seems weird considering he wanted to lynch him earlier. I was gone and made an accusation based on what I skimmed through the thread at the time. Then when I came back to push the case further I realized I was wrong when I analyzed him. Which should be obvious given that I gave the proof.
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On March 12 2013 22:13 Acrofales wrote:
Read back up to page 25, this time taking notes. Will be catching up today and you'll have all my thoughts by the end of the day.
For now I can say that Vivax entered the thread in an extremely wishy washy manner. Seemed like he wanted to lynch lurkers, but was afraid of saying so. This seems completely out of wack with his town meta, where he ALWAYS says whatever he wants.
Supersoft also tried his hardest to not step on anybody's toes. He "agreed" with Iamp's post, but when questioned about it, disagreed with calling VE scum. Effectively that means he disagreed with Iamp's post.
Also, a little bit about the lynch: if Vivax is scum, then there is almost guaranteed to be scum who refused to leave the WBG wagon. If he's town, then it's completely up in the air where scum ended up. Given what I think of Vivax's entry into the thread, I like the Vivax=scum theory. I will pay special attention to this list: Oatsmaster, Mocsta, austinmcc, iamperfection and prplhz.
Heading to the office. Will continue reading and analysing there.
You should be on that list.
On March 12 2013 07:27 Acrofales wrote:
Fine. My flight's boarding and browsing your filter it is looking like duel D1.
I like that last post showing how differently bugs plays as town from his useless defeatist attitude this game, and my vote on Ver is going nowhere. I'll get back to that tomorrow. When I get home I hope I can make a better reasoned out vote, but for now:
BAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAA
##vote wherebugsgo
Self-acclaimed Sheeping onto the bugs wagon.
You never make those better reasons either, but w/e
Then:
On March 12 2013 11:52 Acrofales wrote:
Marv, I am not sheeping you onto a last-10-minute bandwagon. Screw that shit. Explain why Vivax is scum.
On March 12 2013 12:00 Acrofales wrote:
Sticking with Bugs.
You need some cookies and a hug to switch from a sheepvote with no own reasoning behind it onto another sheepvote with no own reasoning behind it?
wutwut
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There is another option I didn't think through and it's that I read crossfire as slight town early, Foolishness repeatedly said that he didn't analyse him yet as he did me and yamato so if crossfire is scum then it would kinda make sense for scum Foolish to want to keep me around since if crossfire flips then I'd be a logical next step.
On the other hand after I flip town cause of that Foolish would look better for defending me early.
So yeah maybe I'm a bit too fast on the Foolish read but I found his defense of me townie since I would have been a good mislynch candidate as well, if he kept pushing me together with marv and VE he could have gotten me killed but he didn't.
I'll stick with town though cause there are scummier people than Foolish and losing him as town early is too big of a risk, if he's scum we will find out later anyway he's not the guy who can allow himself to make too many mistakes as town without being at danger of lynch.
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Vivax, please answer my question. It's a very simple one.
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On March 12 2013 23:10 Vivax wrote:
There is another option I didn't think through and it's that I read crossfire as slight town early, Foolishness repeatedly said that he didn't analyse him yet as he did me and yamato so if crossfire is scum then it would kinda make sense for scum Foolish to want to keep me around since if crossfire flips then I'd be a logical next step.
On the other hand after I flip town cause of that Foolish would look better for defending me early.
So yeah maybe I'm a bit too fast on the Foolish read but I found his defense of me townie since I would have been a good mislynch candidate as well, if he kept pushing me together with marv and VE he could have gotten me killed but he didn't.
I'll stick with town though cause there are scummier people than Foolish and losing him as town early is too big of a risk, if he's scum we will find out later anyway he's not the guy who can allow himself to make too many mistakes as town without being at danger of lynch.
Too many assumptions.
Ok who are the 5 people scummier than Foolish then?
Cause I assume at least 5 scum players.
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