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On December 05 2012 10:12 goodkarma wrote:This flip provides an abundance of information. Kita can be nearly "confirmed" as not scum by simply asking around and confirming that no one else was playing the guessing game the days he claimed to be + Show Spoiler +(I mean maybe they opted not to use their ability multiple nights so he could do this but I find that incredibly unlikely and suboptimal...) . Cave claimed to take headbutt one night. I'm actually not inclined to buy into this as "confirmation" he isn't scum. Headbutt has the unique ability of hardly doing any damage at all. The other of strong's abilities can only be used when a role name is known, making strong effectively in a position of uselessness if he doesn't have a role to go off of. I could completely picture Cave fake claiming headbutt, or even actually taking 1HP headbutt damage + Show Spoiler +(on a night where scum didn't have a role name to target) , as scum to get town cred. It would cost scumteam almost nothing to do... If VE's afk lurk modkill is any indication, scum is disheartened and have given up on this game. Looking for the last one (assuming 5 scum setup) may be as easy as seeing who else has stopped caring. In this context, I can understand how some have decided risk is a good lynch candidate for today. However, I still have reservations. Did it occur to anyone else how absolutely crazy it would be for a mason-type role to be scum-affiliated? I have yet to see this in a game... That aside, I've already discussed how I feel about a risk lynch. I'm still against it.I will be reassessing my reads either tonight or tomorrow morning and making my case for who I feel we should lynch.
Can you post the logs from the QT (especially those regarding risk). Also, Mad Men Mafia had some sort of mafia-mason from what I remember.
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On December 05 2012 10:14 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 10:12 goodkarma wrote:This flip provides an abundance of information. Kita can be nearly "confirmed" as not scum by simply asking around and confirming that no one else was playing the guessing game the days he claimed to be + Show Spoiler +(I mean maybe they opted not to use their ability multiple nights so he could do this but I find that incredibly unlikely and suboptimal...) . Cave claimed to take headbutt one night. I'm actually not inclined to buy into this as "confirmation" he isn't scum. Headbutt has the unique ability of hardly doing any damage at all. The other of strong's abilities can only be used when a role name is known, making strong effectively in a position of uselessness if he doesn't have a role to go off of. I could completely picture Cave fake claiming headbutt, or even actually taking 1HP headbutt damage + Show Spoiler +(on a night where scum didn't have a role name to target) , as scum to get town cred. It would cost scumteam almost nothing to do... If VE's afk lurk modkill is any indication, scum is disheartened and have given up on this game. Looking for the last one (assuming 5 scum setup) may be as easy as seeing who else has stopped caring. In this context, I can understand how some have decided risk is a good lynch candidate for today. However, I still have reservations. Did it occur to anyone else how absolutely crazy it would be for a mason-type role to be scum-affiliated? I have yet to see this in a game... That aside, I've already discussed how I feel about a risk lynch. I'm still against it.I will be reassessing my reads either tonight or tomorrow morning and making my case for who I feel we should lynch. Can you post the logs from the QT (especially those regarding risk). Also, Mad Men Mafia had some sort of mafia-mason from what I remember.
It had more than one mafia mason. I don't think that a mafia mason is unlikely.
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On December 05 2012 10:14 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 10:12 goodkarma wrote:This flip provides an abundance of information. Kita can be nearly "confirmed" as not scum by simply asking around and confirming that no one else was playing the guessing game the days he claimed to be + Show Spoiler +(I mean maybe they opted not to use their ability multiple nights so he could do this but I find that incredibly unlikely and suboptimal...) . Cave claimed to take headbutt one night. I'm actually not inclined to buy into this as "confirmation" he isn't scum. Headbutt has the unique ability of hardly doing any damage at all. The other of strong's abilities can only be used when a role name is known, making strong effectively in a position of uselessness if he doesn't have a role to go off of. I could completely picture Cave fake claiming headbutt, or even actually taking 1HP headbutt damage + Show Spoiler +(on a night where scum didn't have a role name to target) , as scum to get town cred. It would cost scumteam almost nothing to do... If VE's afk lurk modkill is any indication, scum is disheartened and have given up on this game. Looking for the last one (assuming 5 scum setup) may be as easy as seeing who else has stopped caring. In this context, I can understand how some have decided risk is a good lynch candidate for today. However, I still have reservations. Did it occur to anyone else how absolutely crazy it would be for a mason-type role to be scum-affiliated? I have yet to see this in a game... That aside, I've already discussed how I feel about a risk lynch. I'm still against it.I will be reassessing my reads either tonight or tomorrow morning and making my case for who I feel we should lynch. Can you post the logs from the QT (especially those regarding risk). Also, Mad Men Mafia had some sort of mafia-mason from what I remember.
It's good to know that there is some precedent for such a thing as scum masons... Yeah, QT is pretty worthless imho now so I see no problem with posting most of it minus perhaps the most recent stuff (related to my future night actions). Don't get too excited though, as I expect it's going to take me a few minutes to find a semi-palatteable way of copy-pasting it...
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Also @ GK
Haven't you found risk's behavior regarding the circle rather odd?
On November 30 2012 02:07 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 01:55 Acrofales wrote:
@risk: you're here and all you're doing is bitchfighting with syllo. It's pointless. Syllo has posted his thoughts about what your reasons are. They sound fake made-up bullshit reasons to me, but I'm getting them filtered through Syllo. How about YOU tell us your reasons for inviting all those players.
Why GK, Keirathi, Syllo and Dieno. Why that order? What is it you're trying to accomplish in your QT? Why claim you can damage people in there and then only invite town reads?
And while you're answering questions, answer the ones I have now posted twice already. I saw it as more valuable to try and create a town masoncircle. I adviced GK not to claim in the qt but he did it anyway. After that I only wanted to invite near-confirmed townies.
First off, inviting near confirmed towns to a circle is really pointless. If the purpose of a mason circle is to get extra information, what information would you need from confirmed townies?
Secondly... why would he invite you? What reasons does he have for believing that you were town based on your early game play?
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Is there any reason not to post the whole log of the mason circle?
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Another question worth asking is: If risk is really scum, why would he use his abilities to mason more townies when he could be smashing them in the face with his damaging ability? This doesn't make sense to me...
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GK is hiding his shit. Forgets that his role isn't more important than playing well. We're all at fault for this sometimes. GK: post it all. Also: you are on my townie side of null now. Just so you know. Your defense has been shit but I'm getting town vibes from you.
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On December 05 2012 10:24 iamperfection wrote:
Is there any reason not to post the whole log of the mason circle?
The later part is not that useful or important for discussion, it's decently long, and I'm decently lazy...
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On December 05 2012 10:26 goodkarma wrote:
Another question worth asking is: If risk is really scum, why would he use his abilities to mason more townies when he could be smashing them in the face with his damaging ability? This doesn't make sense to me...
Well does he have a damaging ability? We don't know that for sure.
Also, the circle from what I understand is you, risk, and Syllo. Why hasn't he added anyone else to the circle since? Perhaps he's using other abilities and whatnot.
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Syllo might have been taking damage. Talking about Syllo, it is increasingly odd that he is still alive. My mind refuses to see him as scum because of the most excellent killing of Sandro and SnB. But if he's town, scum has screwed this up majorly.
On a similar note: has anybody claimed damage tonight?
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On December 05 2012 10:08 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 09:51 Hopeless1der wrote:
Kita, I believe you have silver points. Do you know what you can do with them? Nope.  Anyone wanna sell me something?
i.e. ask the hosts? I am of the impression you can trade silverpoints for gold, and then give it to TC (or if someone else claims an ability that uses silver points or gold, then I leave it to you to make a read.)
On December 05 2012 10:18 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 10:14 Hapahauli wrote:On December 05 2012 10:12 goodkarma wrote:This flip provides an abundance of information. Kita can be nearly "confirmed" as not scum by simply asking around and confirming that no one else was playing the guessing game the days he claimed to be + Show Spoiler +(I mean maybe they opted not to use their ability multiple nights so he could do this but I find that incredibly unlikely and suboptimal...) . Cave claimed to take headbutt one night. I'm actually not inclined to buy into this as "confirmation" he isn't scum. Headbutt has the unique ability of hardly doing any damage at all. The other of strong's abilities can only be used when a role name is known, making strong effectively in a position of uselessness if he doesn't have a role to go off of. I could completely picture Cave fake claiming headbutt, or even actually taking 1HP headbutt damage + Show Spoiler +(on a night where scum didn't have a role name to target) , as scum to get town cred. It would cost scumteam almost nothing to do... If VE's afk lurk modkill is any indication, scum is disheartened and have given up on this game. Looking for the last one (assuming 5 scum setup) may be as easy as seeing who else has stopped caring. In this context, I can understand how some have decided risk is a good lynch candidate for today. However, I still have reservations. Did it occur to anyone else how absolutely crazy it would be for a mason-type role to be scum-affiliated? I have yet to see this in a game... That aside, I've already discussed how I feel about a risk lynch. I'm still against it.I will be reassessing my reads either tonight or tomorrow morning and making my case for who I feel we should lynch. Can you post the logs from the QT (especially those regarding risk). Also, Mad Men Mafia had some sort of mafia-mason from what I remember. It had more than one mafia mason. I don't think that a mafia mason is unlikely.
The madmen mafia was 1 target at a time that masoned you and your target for a cycle. This is a mason tent. That said, I have some more setup speculation to go over.
So far, we have 4 flipped scum. Here are my thoughts:
- Prehistory - Azala/Black Tyranno (Unknown)
- Antiquity - Queen Zeal (Toad) OR* Dalton (unknown) *see below
- Middle Ages - Magus??? (Unknown)
- Present Day - Norstein Bekkler (VisceraEyes/BioSC)
- Future - Mother Brain (Unknown)
- End Of Time - Spekkio (sandroba)
- Black Omen - Queen Zeal (Toad)
- Not specified - Nu (strongandbig)
4 known scum flips and I've outlined a potential 8 as food for thought.
As far as my current reads:
##Lynch: austinmcc
Anyone have thoughts on my case that is primarily on Z-Bo? I'll read into risk.nuke's meta to see if I agree with what Acro has concluded in the meantime.
What are we voting for this cycle? Just a lynch?
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goodkarma
11-28-2012
04:38 PM ET (US)
Okay, just going to go with CaveJohnson then...
Would be curious to understand Syllo's motive for exposing circle too...
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risk7nuke
11-28-2012
04:08 PM ET (US)
I got an idea, since you don't want to play this game. Post your rolepm and get modkilled.
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risk7nuke
11-28-2012
04:02 PM ET (US)
thanks syllogism, for outing the qt for absolutely no reason.
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syllogism
11-28-2012
03:34 PM ET (US)
Don't you care who he is inviting, goodkarma?
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syllogism
11-28-2012
03:24 PM ET (US)
Risk are you inviting someone tonight?
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goodkarma
11-28-2012
02:53 PM ET (US)
I've got stuff to do now, but to quickly address your questions:
I am a minor character by the name of Fiona. I have forest critters that gather around my target (up to three stacks) and attack on my command...
If they were to be bussed, I wouldn't know what to expect the outcome to be. I was thinking at the time that it meant 150 damage to my target, and just assumed the damage would be transferred. But now that I think about it, it could be that the damage could not be done to anyone other than CJ.
Also:
If you doubt I'm town, tell me who to shoot, and in three turns you'll have confirmation (two if we're talking about suboptimal dps...). That's really the only thing I can do for you here, other than asking you to go through my filter and compare it to my other games...
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syllogism
11-28-2012
02:38 PM ET (US)
And goodkarma can you also claim your flavor, thanks
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syllogism
11-28-2012
02:37 PM ET (US)
Goodkarma why did you think it was possible that CJ and Chronicle were bussed and you were responsible if your ability is to add stacks and the stacks don't activate until you want them to?
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risk7nuke
11-28-2012
01:41 PM ET (US)
Hit CJ if you want to play lurkerbane. I'd probably hit VE though if I were you.
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goodkarma
11-28-2012
12:06 PM ET (US)
150 damage every three turns may not be OP, but I wouldn't call it useless. If you have a better alternative in mind, I'm listening. But at this point, I still feel CaveJohnson is a good target.
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risk7nuke
11-28-2012
11:59 AM ET (US)
If you don't mind.
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syllogism
11-28-2012
11:40 AM ET (US)
Also risk if you figured out that goodkarma is town, if there is ever a time when town is unsure as to whom to take on a mission, I assume you are going to be pushing for him.
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syllogism
11-28-2012
11:39 AM ET (US)
I don't really care, it seems like a rather useless ability as it takes way to long to do anything. We are never taking Cavejohnson on a mission though so it doesn't matter to me what happens to him. Him flipping might be slightly informative.
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goodkarma
11-28-2012
11:35 AM ET (US)
What do both of you think of targetting CaveJohnson again? For optimal DPS, I will be committing 3 turns to my target so if you can provide an opinion yet today that would be great.
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goodkarma
11-28-2012
11:32 AM ET (US)
@Syllo:
The ability I've claimed is the only ability I have.
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risk7nuke
11-28-2012
11:25 AM ET (US)
I figured out goodkarma was town.
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syllogism
11-28-2012
11:21 AM ET (US)
There isn't much to do until we actually get to flip some people or party selection gets more difficult.
The reason I'm asking because it appears to me that the primary purpose of this tent is to convince people that you are town, rather than to figure out the alignments of the people you invite.
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risk7nuke
11-28-2012
11:01 AM ET (US)
Why did I invite you. That makes two of us wondering that. I guess I believed it might be able to get you interested in the game again. Clearly it didn't.
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syllogism
11-28-2012
10:05 AM ET (US)
Actually I don't think any answer you give can be alignment indicative. I just find don't find the content very useful, despite initially thinking otherwise. Claims are nice to have though.
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syllogism
11-28-2012
09:56 AM ET (US)
Risk why did you invite me? What is in this quicktopic that you would think I would find useful?
Goodkarma have you revealed everything about your role?
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goodkarma
11-27-2012
08:26 PM ET (US)
Wow I'm such an idiot lol...
I'll be back tomorrow to clean up my mess.
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goodkarma
11-27-2012
07:16 PM ET (US)
Guess that's not the best shortlist given 25 players in the game... But anyway that's my current thoughts. I would put this in thread, but I know it will distract from the Strong case I'm going to write up soon.
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goodkarma
11-27-2012
07:13 PM ET (US)
Upon review, still a ways away from "solving" this game. With the lack of lynches it's incredibly hard for me to cement my reads.
My "shortlist" btw:
1) Iamp - I have a good "gut feel" about this guy I guess you could say. But he still has yet to contribute anything meaningful, which earns him a spot here. Would be willing to give him more time to see if his roleclaim checks out.
2) VE - Shoot him dead. I actually think he might be more likely to be town than scum given his enthusiasm for playing scum. But if an elimination-based approach for finding scum is to work, he has to go. He has not posted enough to make a meaningful read...
3) phagga - Need to reread his filter at some point (but not something I'm focusing on today). He has been pro-town in his contributions, but I can't help but feel he is also "playing it safe" and doing what he can to fly under the radar...
4) Adam - lurker who might need to be shot too.
5) Kita - I'm inclined to believe Marv's read of 3rd party
6) Cave - This guy won't be figured out without getting vigi killed. Shoot first, ask questions later...
7) Z-boson - From my experience with him, he likes to play pretty safe as scum, whereas as town he is rather reckless to the point of being pretty easy to mislynch. He definitely is making his own reads and contributing to thread, but all his reads I would call "safe" ones in that he is targeting almost exclusively lurkers... Null read atm, even after looking into filter.
8) Prox - Tbh I don't know what to do with him. Syllo's input is definitely appreciated, but I don't see him as a strong scum read (closer to null...).
9) Strong - I have a strong scum read based both off meta and on filter. Will discuss soon in thread
10) Toad - Scum
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goodkarma
11-27-2012
06:15 PM ET (US)
Okay, so strongandbig is strong scum read. Moving on through filters...
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goodkarma
11-27-2012
03:14 PM ET (US)
Put a little more thought into it today, and I feel I'm pretty close to "solving the game." I have reduced the list of players to a shortlist of likely scum whose filters I'm going to look at when I get back.
All in all, I'm feeling pretty good about this game. I'll put together some stuff when I get back. It should help to focus the sheep  .
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risk7nuke
11-27-2012
01:30 PM ET (US)
It wasn't particularly to karma but more general information to everyone I would invite, I felt it was good to avoid a why are we here phase. As for the crystal ball I haven't played CT and never gave it any thought, assume it's just flavor.
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syllogism
11-27-2012
01:19 PM ET (US)
Nevermind about the bonus, I see your previous claim regarding it
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syllogism
11-27-2012
01:06 PM ET (US)
I'm a bit confused as to why Gato's mason tent has a crystal ball. Why did you immediately claim your role name to goodkarma?
What was your 1000 AD bonus
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risk7nuke
11-27-2012
11:35 AM ET (US)
Oh btw if I shoot I'm automatically rearming the next cycle.
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risk7nuke
11-27-2012
11:00 AM ET (US)
I can but I thought it was better to use my ability to mason townies then to shoot scum or lurkers when our objective wasn't to kill them anyway.
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syllogism
11-27-2012
10:49 AM ET (US)
I don't understand, shouldn't you then be inviting players who you want to shoot? Can you still invite one more?
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risk7nuke
11-27-2012
10:43 AM ET (US)
I invited Goodkaram because I had a townread on him. The mainreason I picked him over others were the way his posts were logical and constructed so I deemed we'd be able to have good discussion in this qt. It never really got to that due to mutual distrust and time difference.
There is more to my role, I wasn't intending to claim this but I don't think it matter holding it back now. I am a conditioned vigilante. I am a fighting robot. Instead of inviting someone to my tent I can attack one player in my tent for 200 damage.
Also, Syllo get your head of your arse please. Whether you like it or not you're a leader to this town now. Act like one instead of a little girl bitch.
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syllogism
11-27-2012
06:39 AM ET (US)
Ok I read through all this and it's quite informative, but I wish some of this discussion had occurred in the thread.
Risk is there more to your role than what you have revealed in here?
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goodkarma
11-27-2012
04:56 AM ET (US)
@Syllo:
Okay. I understand where you're coming from, but it is worth noting I have mislynched Prox before (NMM XXII) and back then he also looked quite scummy... I agree he definitely could be scum, but I'm not convinced he definitely is.
I asked nicely for him to fully roleclaim. If he does, and you still believe he's scum, I will have no problem doing my vigi damage thing to him accordingly.
However, I still think that the most probable scum in the Acro/Chronicler/Hopeless debacle might be a better target...
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goodkarma
11-27-2012
03:07 AM ET (US)
For what it's worth Syllo I will be looking into Prox's filter closely and followup on my findings tomorrow.
If I come to a scum read, I will focus all my damage on him...
I can understand your frustration, but ragequitting isn't going to help us at all...
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goodkarma
11-27-2012
01:32 AM ET (US)
That's actually a very good question lol.
Hi there btw syllo
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syllogism
11-27-2012
01:22 AM ET (US)
Risk why did you invite goodkarma on n1?
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goodkarma
11-27-2012
12:25 AM ET (US)
Nvm the way Chronicler described how he obtained his damage it couldn't have been me...
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goodkarma
11-26-2012
07:34 PM ET (US)
Chronicler took 150 points damage...
If somehow CaveJohnson and him were bussed FML.
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goodkarma
11-26-2012
09:40 AM ET (US)
I find it a little worrying that such an allegedly good player would be so incredibly lazy.
Prox is a null read for me, and will stay so until I take a long look into his filter. As for Acro, I could certainly be wrong, but based off everything I've seen of him I'm still of the belief that he's town.
And then of course, there's you who is definitely town <3
I can understand him thinking of the scum suspects he has as a part of a larger thought process, but putting it on paper without coming to an actual conclusion (via... actually looking at filters) I find very disturbing. It's a good way of looking active while contributing nothing, and would be something I would expect of scum. However, I still place enough faith in the party mechanics (and day one's outcome) to believe that he is town... I have absolutely no idea why he is being so lazy though. And his most recent behavior is only weakening my strong town read I originally had on him...
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risk7nuke
11-26-2012
09:17 AM ET (US)
What do you think of Syllos recent post?
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risk7nuke
11-26-2012
04:31 AM ET (US)
Yeah, I hate when everything is lined out. I tend to slack of and be to lazy to do any hunting.
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risk7nuke
11-26-2012
04:29 AM ET (US)
I'm not really familliar with all of the lurkers but VE is a person I definitely want to shoot in his face. Adam aswell for being king of the useless but VE. Look consider this. He was really hyped about getting into this game but when actually accomplished in he's done very little. I could understand if he had problem following it since we were 2000 posts in when he joined, However he said he had been paying attention to the game. Normally I think People who replaces in have a unique advantage (IF they followed the thread closely prior to replacing in). This post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...urrentpage=110#2186 that Viscera did is what I would expect from a townie replacing in and it proves that Viscera were following the game. But what have he done after that post. Nothing.
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goodkarma
11-26-2012
02:33 AM ET (US)
EBWOP: I mean I suppose Oats's party might fail and we won't get the lynch but I highly doubt it.
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goodkarma
11-26-2012
02:24 AM ET (US)
It's just a little boring out in thread right now for me... We KNOW that we're lynching Toad next cycle, and we KNOW that Oats is going to be elected leader this cycle. So that leaves everyone flailing around speculating about the setup and other meaningless shit...
I do feel the case on hopeless, though, has some merit.
And that scum very well could be playing a heavily passive game. I definitely gave them too much credit early game as this type of play is clearly sub-optimal in this setup... But going through the list of people most of the ones that are actually active I have as town right now either based off game mechanics or via my own reads of them: Oats, Dieno, Marv, Acro, Keir, Hapa (the one exception), syllo (okay, a second exception)... What we're left with are lurkers and semi-lurkers. Kind of wish town had more KP as: iamp, hopeless, Adam, Viscera, CaveJohnson... are all people I wouldn't mind seeing shot right now. There's no easy way of reading them given how little they've contributed, but as I'm confirming more town by process of elimination it's looking more and more likely that at least some of them are scum.
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goodkarma
11-26-2012
02:13 AM ET (US)
Again, there are more powerful roles out there than mine.
Role-check and healing roles are the roles I would prioritize RBing if I were scum.
While they might have trouble killing people, the converse is equally (if not even more true) as town. In short, I'm not all that worried about getting RBed
But that's probably enough discussion of this. I'm going to let off asking for a single target, as what Acro has said does have some merit...
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risk7nuke
11-26-2012
01:57 AM ET (US)
Yeah everyone likely have ability's but everyone can probably not attack. I got sort of happy I have a vigilante in the masoncircle.
I'm more worried about roleblocks then they shooting you because if my theory is correct scum doesn't have enough kp to straight of kill people.
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goodkarma
11-26-2012
01:51 AM ET (US)
I'm pretty confident at this point that all of town is blue.
I mean, look at how many role claims we've already had in thread...
I'm not worried about drawing scum eyes on me. I haven't done the best job of establishing I'm town, so honestly if they choose to shoot me over a syllo or oats or dieno, I would be quite happy.
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risk7nuke
11-26-2012
01:48 AM ET (US)
You shouldn't talk about coordinating vig shots. If mafia is bluehunting it will draw eyes onto you.
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goodkarma
11-26-2012
01:35 AM ET (US)
I'm a 600 AD character, and it doesn't look like I get any bonuses either.
At this point, it looks like I'm committed to either 100 or 150 points on CJ at day's end tomorrow. From everything I've read in his filter, I see no compelling reason not to do the full 150 pts of damage.
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risk7nuke
11-25-2012
04:23 PM ET (US)
Clocking out for today, I never read up on CJ, I spent so much time on mafia today I just felt like taking some time off. I will try to get around to it tomorrow first thing when I get home. Btw who are you and was any timeperiod mentioned in your rolepm that indicate that you'd be stronger in missions at that time. My pm says I hangs out in the millennium fair in 1000 AD but it really doesn't sound like I get any bonuses.
also, sorry I got a bit frustrated. I was feeling mighty nervous about you and I didn't consider you feeling as paranoid as I was. It seems obvious in hindsight.
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goodkarma
11-25-2012
03:08 PM ET (US)
Just learned that apparently once I reach max charges they auto discharge... That makes my role slightly better, at least.
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goodkarma
11-25-2012
02:38 PM ET (US)
Thinking about it a bit more, even if CJ has been a little more helpful lately, he clearly lied about his role and has said several scummy things such as "my intention is to survive to endgame..." and "Syllo has taken himself to be out of the running and we should respect that." on day one. In addition of course, to the anti-town let's kill newbie players mentality he had day one (although this particular point may not be alignment indicative). At the very least he is profoundly anti-town town. But I still feel there's a decent chance he's scum even if he's played better today.
I only can put three stacks on the guy before unloading anyway, so one more this cycle, and unload next cycle for 150 damage. I'm hoping that kills him, but based off the two flips and my own role PM I'm a bit pessimistic .
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goodkarma
11-25-2012
01:36 PM ET (US)
Okay.
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risk7nuke
11-25-2012
01:14 PM ET (US)
I think I'll try to invite syllogism this cycle.
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risk7nuke
11-25-2012
01:09 PM ET (US)
Okey, I believe you. Your actions fits for a dayvig profile plus mafia would not likely target CJ.
I guess we'll just have to be carefull with who we bring in but as you say there are alot of people looking very town.
Not sure what to advice you do with CJ, I've not really payed him much attention. I'll read up on him.
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goodkarma
11-25-2012
01:01 PM ET (US)
If you're bringing in someone like Keirathi anyways, he is all but confirmed town in my book so claiming here won't hurt anything.
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goodkarma
11-25-2012
01:01 PM ET (US)
Just did...
Honestly I don't care it's a bit lame anyway, and it's that fastest way of having you believe that I'm town.
My current target is CaveJohnson since day one, and I'm currently debating if I want to add another stack on him or unload for 100 points of damage. He is actually contributing (at least more so than he usually does) and not proactively trolling, which leads me to wonder if he actually could be town.
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goodkarma
11-25-2012
12:59 PM ET (US)
I have a unique vigi-type role, but instead of directly damaging someone each turn I can choose to either:
-->Put up a stack of potential damage
-->Unload the stacks I have and actually damage the person
e.g.: turn 1 I would put up a stack (let's say 50 potential), turn 2 I would add another stack (bringing it to 100), turn 3 I would actually unload 2 stacks of damage on the target (said target takes 100 points of damage).
I am locked onto the person I choose and cannot change targets until I unload my stacks after I initially target him...
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risk7nuke
11-25-2012
12:57 PM ET (US)
If you describe your role and ability's it could be a risk if I invite other people here.
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goodkarma
11-25-2012
12:53 PM ET (US)
I can share my thoughts and reads with you, but perhaps the best way to convince you would be to describe my role and abilities.
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goodkarma
11-25-2012
12:52 PM ET (US)
True dat.
One of the reasons I have not "warmed up to you" is that I myself am a little suspicious of the circumstances. It would be a little far-fetched, but not impossible that your ability and role are correct but you are scum-aligned, given the nature of this game. Gato is someone you beat up as an enemy in chrono trigger, so I could visualize him taking a scum alignment... Add to that that outside of knowing that you are a mason looking into your filter I would lean more towards a null read.
The indignation with which you describe being a mason though leaves me to believe that you are indeed town aligned. And, it was a bit far-fetched to think otherwise, but I still prefer to be cautious...
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risk7nuke
11-25-2012
12:44 PM ET (US)
I wouldn't take you on a party because I don't know if you're mafia or not, it's not the same. And the more time pass you're giving me more and more reason to doubt your alignment. If you don't want to out of the blue nominate me I can understand that because that could raise eyebrows. But you're doing nothing to slowly warm up to me in the thread either.
And if you're scum you can only spy on this chat as long as you're alive.
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goodkarma
11-25-2012
12:34 PM ET (US)
Hopefully that last portion I just posted explains that.
With as many power roles as there are presently in this game, why would you think, as scum, I would feel motivated to roleblock you? People have claimed role-check abilities, damaging vigi-type abilities, HEALING abilities... With abilities that powerful, why would they bother to roleblock you???
Especially considering that if I were really scum, I would be able to spy on everything that goes on in this chat. Why on earth would I ruin that?
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goodkarma
11-25-2012
12:30 PM ET (US)
Finally, add to that that if I were to out of the blue nominate you as a party member, many people would be confused / suspicious. It would be semi-apparent that my choice was motivated by something else (such as a shared QT).
And for what it's worth, I would fully expect that you wouldn't choose me for a party at this point either...
Because to be perfectly honest, you shouldn't. There are far better choices right now.
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risk7nuke
11-25-2012
12:28 PM ET (US)
That's fucking irrelevant. You KNOW I'm a mason. I find it's pretty fucking suspicious that I invite you here and the next cycle I'm roleblocked.
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goodkarma
11-25-2012
12:27 PM ET (US)
Also, the choice of several party members is based more off game mechanics than off of actual reads (such as TheChronicler claim, party members from first day being clear choices, etc...).
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goodkarma
11-25-2012
12:24 PM ET (US)
You have not been one of the more active members this game, and sadly not being super active means less respect.
It also means you've given less time to discussing your scum reads, etc. There are others in game right now who have worked much harder to establish themselves as town.
But if it makes you feel any better, I'm kind of in the same spot right now. I really haven't worked as hard as I should have been coming up with cases and participating in scumhunting in general. That gets noticed, and I can understand why others are not considering me for a party spot right now.
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risk7nuke
11-25-2012
12:11 PM ET (US)
Why am I not in your list of people you're okey sending.
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risk7nuke
11-25-2012
08:49 AM ET (US)
I might switch oats too keirathi since oats is also outed (name)
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risk7nuke
11-25-2012
08:48 AM ET (US)
I don't like the the current teams at all. I see no reason why oats and dienosore should be sent instead of syllogism. Dienosore especially risky since it looks like this magus guy is killing the shit out of him. (not familliar with ct lore, but it's what I read in the thread)
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goodkarma
11-24-2012
08:25 PM ET (US)
Okay.
I posted that because I'd rather not waste time on party selection, and spend more time scumhunting.
Syllo has proven himself to have sound judgement thus far, and is all but confirmed town. Therefore, just leaving it to him so we can determine who is scum seems like a sound idea to me at this point in the game.
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risk7nuke
11-24-2012
08:09 PM ET (US)
Okey Grey says it did. Looks like it's just you and me for another cycle.
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risk7nuke
11-24-2012
08:03 PM ET (US)
I'm not sure if my roleblock prevented me from inviting Keirathi. awaiting modconfirmation.
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risk7nuke
11-24-2012
06:42 PM ET (US)
Hmm nevermind then, I might not be here in an hour. Anyway I've invited Keirathi.
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goodkarma
11-24-2012
06:35 PM ET (US)
Yup.
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risk7nuke
11-24-2012
06:10 PM ET (US)
Are you here?
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goodkarma
11-24-2012
01:47 PM ET (US)
I agree. Even though his town meta may be a bit off in looney, he seems to share reads, and actually... care. I believe he's still the best lynch choice, especially with syllo backing his lynch.
As for kita, I believe there's a very good chance he will flip scum too. I like Marv's case against him. Everything Kita's done to date has been safe. Even presently, focusing on hopeless who imho is an easy target.
TheChronicler is the only candidate whose lynch I feel would be a mistake. I'm okay with either Sand or Kita being lynched today.
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risk7nuke
11-24-2012
01:28 PM ET (US)
Sorry I've been away for most of the day, I'll curse myself if Sandroba flips town, I think djo said he had done this as town before but I've never seen it and I checked looney, it didn't feel like this. He felt more irritated.
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goodkarma
11-24-2012
01:05 AM ET (US)
Barring some new revelation, I'm sticking to pushing a Sandroba lynch today.
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goodkarma
11-23-2012
04:05 PM ET (US)
Adam is your average lurker that may or may not be scum. Definitely a good vigi target, but maybe not the best lynching target for today.
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risk7nuke
11-23-2012
12:42 PM ET (US)
What do you think of Adam4167
He's done almost nothing. Adam was quick to vote syllogism and quick to vote sandroba but other then that he feels completely inactive, his posts doesn't feel like they are going anywhere and he doesn't follow them up.
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risk7nuke
11-23-2012
12:24 PM ET (US)
I quite agree on marv, he's not been playing his usual self but this isn't a usual game and during the first cycle it revolved far less around scumhunting then a normal game. Furthermore the only real reason he's been under suspicion is because of his reputation. He's one of the more active players in the game.
As for sandroba, if he's not going to come back or if he comes back with something halfassed I'm going to assume he's just miserable and he rolled scum.
But well lets see what happens.
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goodkarma
11-23-2012
11:52 AM ET (US)
I would not be surprised if Sandroba flipped scum, but looking at what he's actually said to date he has not acted scummy. The scummiest thing about him is his complete nonpresence since early game. I'm inclined to give him the chance to redeem himself.
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goodkarma
11-23-2012
11:47 AM ET (US)
I am against lynching marv right now. I am nowhere near having a clear read on him, but am actually leaning toward a town one atm.
As for who to lynch presently, I am honestly not sure. I don't like how the majority of votes are on trolls / lurkers. I am going to need to seriously go through everyone's filters again to see if anyone stands out.
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risk7nuke
11-23-2012
10:21 AM ET (US)
Have any thoughts on the lynch?
What do you think of marv?
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risk7nuke
11-23-2012
05:43 AM ET (US)
Yeah it's fine, I just woke up now. I'm really wondering where sandroba have gone. I'm normally very wary of people who disappears when they are under pressure. I've had too much bad experience with mafia avoiding lynches that way.
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goodkarma
11-23-2012
05:01 AM ET (US)
How's it going? Long Thanksgiving, and now it's pretty late . I'm headed to bed talk to you tomorrow.
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risk7nuke
11-22-2012
06:30 PM ET (US)
Hi, I am Gato and this is my masontent. I can invite one person each night up to a maximum of 4 people.
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GreY
11-19-2012
11:49 AM ET (US)
Its the inside of a Tent! Its strangely dark and there appears to be a Crystal ball on a table.
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On December 05 2012 10:32 Acrofales wrote:
Syllo might have been taking damage. Talking about Syllo, it is increasingly odd that he is still alive. My mind refuses to see him as scum because of the most excellent killing of Sandro and SnB. But if he's town, scum has screwed this up majorly.
On a similar note: has anybody claimed damage tonight?
SnB claimed to have been shooting me. Also he needs to know the name of his target. My name was in the thread, Syllo's was not. Believe me the paranoia is setting in about Syllo but, and this is important, we have a lot of protective roles. Scum may assume that Syllo is protected every night.
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That's up to the "circle exposure" scandal... Might post more later, but tbh that should include pretty much all meaningful conversation that transpired in QT...
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Spoiler tags were too much to ask for? Thanks for the log though.
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risk7nuke
11-27-2012
10:43 AM ET (US)
I invited Goodkaram because I had a townread on him. The mainreason I picked him over others were the way his posts were logical and constructed so I deemed we'd be able to have good discussion in this qt. It never really got to that due to mutual distrust and time difference.
There is more to my role, I wasn't intending to claim this but I don't think it matter holding it back now. I am a conditioned vigilante. I am a fighting robot. Instead of inviting someone to my tent I can attack one player in my tent for 200 damage.
Also, Syllo get your head of your arse please. Whether you like it or not you're a leader to this town now. Act like one instead of a little girl bitch.
This makes no sense whatsoever. Why the hell would you invite a bunch of town-reads to a circle that completely neuters your damage ability. I'm not buying it.
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There is a degree of confirmation bias in my read, but I will further explain my reasoning at some point during the day tomorrow in response to your points. Lots of content to digest at the moment.
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risk7nuke
11-27-2012
10:43 AM ET (US)
I invited Goodkaram because I had a townread on him. The mainreason I picked him over others were the way his posts were logical and constructed so I deemed we'd be able to have good discussion in this qt. It never really got to that due to mutual distrust and time difference.
There is more to my role, I wasn't intending to claim this but I don't think it matter holding it back now. I am a conditioned vigilante. I am a fighting robot. Instead of inviting someone to my tent I can attack one player in my tent for 200 damage.
Also, Syllo get your head of your arse please. Whether you like it or not you're a leader to this town now. Act like one instead of a little girl bitch. This makes no sense whatsoever. Why the hell would you invite a bunch of town-reads to a circle that completely neuters your damage ability. I'm not buying it.
To add to this, if his ability is as advertised (shoots people in his tent), it makes perfect sense from a scum perspective to invite a bunch of your town-reads and pelt them with 200 dmg shots.
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