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Spoilers ftw.
Found this informative as I'm reading through:Prehistory - Azala/Black Tyranno (Unknown)
Antiquity - Queen Zeal (Toad) OR* Dalton (unknown) *see below
Middle Ages - Magus??? (Unknown)
Present Day - Norstein Bekkler (VisceraEyes/BioSC)
Future - Mother Brain (Unknown)
End Of Time - Spekkio (sandroba)
Black Omen - Queen Zeal (Toad)
Not specified - Nu (strongandbig) Magus, given that you can pick him up as a party member or not, sounds like it's something Grey could work with. Either as a traitor, 3rd party, something. And we failed the Magus event. Has anyone namechecked Drazerk and Acro? Stuff like magus being ripe for flavor in this game + us failing the event + 'hai guyz i got a bunch of magical powerz' gives me a bad feeling
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On December 05 2012 10:55 austinmcc wrote:Spoilers ftw. Found this informative as I'm reading through: Show nested quote +Prehistory - Azala/Black Tyranno (Unknown)
Antiquity - Queen Zeal (Toad) OR* Dalton (unknown) *see below
Middle Ages - Magus??? (Unknown)
Present Day - Norstein Bekkler (VisceraEyes/BioSC)
Future - Mother Brain (Unknown)
End Of Time - Spekkio (sandroba)
Black Omen - Queen Zeal (Toad)
Not specified - Nu (strongandbig) Magus, given that you can pick him up as a party member or not, sounds like it's something Grey could work with. Either as a traitor, 3rd party, something. And we failed the Magus event. Has anyone namechecked Drazerk and Acro? Stuff like magus being ripe for flavor in this game + us failing the event + 'hai guyz i got a bunch of magical powerz' gives me a bad feeling
Eh. Speculating about the last role-name is pretty useless here. Really more interested to see you analyze Acro+Drazerk (risk too) rather than be suspicious of them based on an incomplete list of boss names.
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On December 05 2012 10:55 austinmcc wrote:Spoilers ftw. Found this informative as I'm reading through: Show nested quote +Prehistory - Azala/Black Tyranno (Unknown)
Antiquity - Queen Zeal (Toad) OR* Dalton (unknown) *see below
Middle Ages - Magus??? (Unknown)
Present Day - Norstein Bekkler (VisceraEyes/BioSC)
Future - Mother Brain (Unknown)
End Of Time - Spekkio (sandroba)
Black Omen - Queen Zeal (Toad)
Not specified - Nu (strongandbig) Magus, given that you can pick him up as a party member or not, sounds like it's something Grey could work with. Either as a traitor, 3rd party, something. And we failed the Magus event. Has anyone namechecked Drazerk and Acro? Stuff like magus being ripe for flavor in this game + us failing the event + 'hai guyz i got a bunch of magical powerz' gives me a bad feeling
Austin, I know you love speculating in themed games but it is time to scum hunt instead.
Thoughts on Risk, CJ and anyone really
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On December 05 2012 09:35 Acrofales wrote:
Btw, my main problem with risk is that he is doing the same as last game: when he feels he/his team cannot win anymore he just afks out. A town risk.nuke would be more active and in your face. At the very least, he would be up in my face. He's not. Ergo, he is scum who has given up.
Okay, scanned Acme and the obs there. You had me believing risk was actually mafia that game, but instead he's SK. He didn't have a team. Moreover, you're trying to equate "risk is a one-man faction and feels he can't win the game" to "risk has teammates that are afk/caught and feels he can't win the game." Those are different things. Couple thoughts from that:
(1) in bureaucracy risk's team got NAILED towards the end. I intercepted a pm that was pretty clearly TO risk and pretty clearly FROM Gonzaw when we had 3 scum players left, and 20,000 townies.
(2) they were absolutely dead-to-rights caught, and the third scum player was partially visible and partially never ever posting anything and iirc was modkillable at a point or two, but didn't get the axe
risk didn't do much lategame there, but he didn't do much throughout. He didn't have a dropoff in activity once his team got caught, he was inactive from the start.
I think that, unless I see a game where risk afks out as mafia, then his weird drop-off in activity points towards him being town for me. Don't think that a game as an SK is a great comparison.
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Jeebus, hold your horses. After Acro commenting on risk, and knowing he's claimed 3rd party, trying to get through his filter.
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@austin
I think that, unless I see a game where risk afks out as mafia, then his weird drop-off in activity points towards him being town for me. Don't think that a game as an SK is a great comparison.
This is a pretty suspect way of thinking here. Just because risk hasn't late-game lurked as mafia doesn't mean he's incapable of doing it as mafia. Secondly, having a town read on someone based on late-game lurking just seems suspect in general.
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Hope: why you vote Austin?
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On December 05 2012 11:30 Hapahauli wrote:@austinShow nested quote +I think that, unless I see a game where risk afks out as mafia, then his weird drop-off in activity points towards him being town for me. Don't think that a game as an SK is a great comparison. This is a pretty suspect way of thinking here. Just because risk hasn't late-game lurked as mafia doesn't mean he's incapable of doing it as mafia. Secondly, having a town read on someone based on late-game lurking just seems suspect in general. I don't have oodles to go on here. The pattern of activity is something that points towards town. The fact that we have a single mason, not a bunch (unlike mad men), feels odd if you assign that to scum. The ability to damage folks in QT DOES look scummy, but as far as I can tell, he didn't use it? I've got a previous post where I look him over, and the activity change was something I actively asked about, whether he'd played a game as mafia like that.
No. Activity fluctuations =/= townie. But the way he seemed actively concerned with the D1 election, was asking each candidate questions, actually trying to see what they were doing, when we know sandro was scum, feels townie.
The activity was a lingering doubt, but if it doesn't point to scumrisk, actually point there, THIS IS SCUMRISK, then I'm inclined to believe overall that he's town.
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Well that night post went about as good as one can ever go.
This is why hope is pushing Austin
Right now, my list looks (not-so-surprisingly) like Acros.
After reading Hope's case on Z-boson and revisiting my own, I just cant see how that came out of a town player. Anyone that's more familiar with Z-BosoN, is his logic usually sound? Does he usually make decent sense when hes town? Is he at least easy to follow?
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I wouldn't trust Zbo's reads. Dude is decent. But not better than average.
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On December 05 2012 11:57 Adam4167 wrote:Well that night post went about as good as one can ever go. This is why hope is pushing AustinRight now, my list looks (not-so-surprisingly) like Acros. After reading Hope's case on Z-boson and revisiting my own, I just cant see how that came out of a town player. Anyone that's more familiar with Z-BosoN, is his logic usually sound? Does he usually make decent sense when hes town? Is he at least easy to follow?
Z-Bo is a newer but fairly solid player. Like anyone he's capable of making the occasional bad case, but his logic is usually sound. I saw nothing in his behavior that was deviant from his normal town play other than relative inactivity - though he replaced out so I don't think that's alignment indicative.
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Yeah townies can be wrong, it happens. I was more asking has he done something like say someone is playing to their town meta and then in the next breath called a vigi shot on them?
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On December 05 2012 12:02 Adam4167 wrote:
Yeah townies can be wrong, it happens. I was more asking has he done something like say someone is playing to their town meta and then in the next breath called a vigi shot on them?
Oh, uh where was that?
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On November 23 2012 06:55 Z-BosoN wrote:Btw guys, Strongandbig is likely scum. First of all, this is bullshit: Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 03:35 strongandbig wrote:
holy shit
this thread
Anyone interested in a late switch to Marv? I've got a pretty strong town read on him right now, and I can't say that I like Syllo's election platform.
marv if you were magically blasted into being a serious candidate would you tell people your picks so they can evaluate whether they agree with your reads or would you do a syllo and keep them secret?
I'm also a little T_T that no one has talked any more about platforms/ideas for "party composition themes" like Sandro had, I do think having been in a successful party is a statistical indicator of townieness and the idea of spreading that out makes sense.
That said, I'm not voting for Sandroba until he actually takes Syllo's case a little bit more seriously - seems like it's a reason people are dropping off his campaign wagon but he really has barely even mentioned it. there's some pretty srs reasoning there. Strong town read on marv? Really? If marv hadn't told be beforehand he wasn't gonna take this game seriously, I would have gone with scum read on marv. He spends a ton of time arguing with cave fellow for no reason at all, the guy is and has been a lost cause since he began posting. He's not nearly as active and as involved as his other games. He's not willing to run for party. I've reread his filter and there is nooooo way you can get a town read on marv that fast, with that kind of bad reasoning. Someone else had a town fast, with zero reasoning. Especially SNB, who's played with him a ton of times. SnB's filter though seems pretty much like his town filter from last game, in terms of low activity and post coutn, but I haven't played with him much. Marv, do you have any meta read on him?
tl;drI don't get how the hell it is that town can kill people this game (dunno if it's just roles or has something to do with the event). But if you guys have killing roles, go ahead and kill Strongandbig and Adam4167. These are my top two scum reads for now. Phagga has explained himself adequately and his posting seems townie-oriented, not gonna go too balls out on him. I was a bit suspicious of Prom before, but I feel like he's genuinely trying to participate. StrongandbigAdam4167Bam bam bam
Underlining is mine.
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If SnB was town, I'd read into that as scummy. But hypothetical scum-ZBo calling his teammate town then calling a shot on him... errr really can't see that.
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Yeah I cant wrap my head around it, either way.
We either have a town Z-boson that wants to vig someone who is playing to their town meta, or a scum Z-boson in some lopsided bus attempt, where he calls s&b town but still wants him dead.
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Question - Acro's alignment. He's claimed 3P survivor-y, and we have a parity check that says he and Hopeless are not the same. We've got nothing that confirms innocent 3P survivor-y win condition, si?
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I think that Zbo was saying that 1)SnB was matching his town meta from Mario 2)SnB was scummy despite that.
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Yeah, I don't get that Prom.
His entire case was "he has a town read on marv". I really don't see how he was getting scummy out of that. Then his next point is that S&B looks like his town meta. I don't see what part of that is scummy either. So how does he get to the conclusion of 'vig S&B, bam bam bam' with those two premises?
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