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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 05 2012 06:39 GMT
#6381
On December 05 2012 15:31 syllogism wrote:
Oh wait, I guess risk didn't actually invite VE last cycle as he promised and instead punched me. The punch just doesn't do 200 damage.


That's what I'm thinking. His circle + ability makes no sense from a town perspective given how he used it. Makes plenty of sense from a scum perspective though.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
December 05 2012 06:45 GMT
#6382
On December 05 2012 15:37 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 15:35 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 05 2012 12:15 Hapahauli wrote:
On December 05 2012 12:10 Adam4167 wrote:
Yeah I cant wrap my head around it, either way.

We either have a town Z-boson that wants to vig someone who is playing to their town meta, or a scum Z-boson in some lopsided bus attempt, where he calls s&b town but still wants him dead.


I don't think he's calling SnB town - he's just saying that SnB is showing some parts of his town meta. That's a lot less severe than you're suggesting IMO, and I lean to Z-Bo town in this case. Scum saying that one of their scum-buddies is showing town traits and then wanting him dead makes even less sense.


I missed this post earlier. With all the crap that was going on in the thread at the time (Toad v Keirathi), (Syllo v Sandro) ect, his number one scum read is someone 'showing parts of their town meta' and this warrants a vigi shot on them? I think that's insane. When I see someone showing parts of their town meta, I assume that person is most probably town and look somewhere else! Or you question them further to consolidate that town read. Its the logical thing to do - you've done it dozens of times in your mafia career (I assume). You do not make this person your number 1 scum suspect and want to blow their head off.



Yeah but again, while it doesn't make much sense from a town perspective, it makes even less sense from a scum perspective. Like that's the most nonsensical way ever to bus a teammate.


I find it more likely to be some kind of poorly executed bus attempt. I cannot see any way for it to be coming from a town-brain.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 05 2012 06:53 GMT
#6383
However, 450 is a weird amount of damage to take. Did anyone else target me?
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 05 2012 07:00 GMT
#6384
On December 05 2012 15:53 syllogism wrote:
However, 450 is a weird amount of damage to take. Did anyone else target me?


Well given that no one else has claimed damage so far, it suggests to me that there are two mafia left (or that 1 mafia - perhaps risk - has a 450 damage shot, but I find that unlikely).
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 05 2012 07:24 GMT
#6385
On December 05 2012 15:45 Adam4167 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 15:37 Hapahauli wrote:
On December 05 2012 15:35 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 05 2012 12:15 Hapahauli wrote:
On December 05 2012 12:10 Adam4167 wrote:
Yeah I cant wrap my head around it, either way.

We either have a town Z-boson that wants to vig someone who is playing to their town meta, or a scum Z-boson in some lopsided bus attempt, where he calls s&b town but still wants him dead.


I don't think he's calling SnB town - he's just saying that SnB is showing some parts of his town meta. That's a lot less severe than you're suggesting IMO, and I lean to Z-Bo town in this case. Scum saying that one of their scum-buddies is showing town traits and then wanting him dead makes even less sense.


I missed this post earlier. With all the crap that was going on in the thread at the time (Toad v Keirathi), (Syllo v Sandro) ect, his number one scum read is someone 'showing parts of their town meta' and this warrants a vigi shot on them? I think that's insane. When I see someone showing parts of their town meta, I assume that person is most probably town and look somewhere else! Or you question them further to consolidate that town read. Its the logical thing to do - you've done it dozens of times in your mafia career (I assume). You do not make this person your number 1 scum suspect and want to blow their head off.



Yeah but again, while it doesn't make much sense from a town perspective, it makes even less sense from a scum perspective. Like that's the most nonsensical way ever to bus a teammate.


I find it more likely to be some kind of poorly executed bus attempt. I cannot see any way for it to be coming from a town-brain.


I went back and tried to read his quote, and I'm reading his comment as far less severe than you are. The relevant line:
Strong town read on marv? Really? If marv hadn't told be beforehand he wasn't gonna take this game seriously, I would have gone with scum read on marv. He spends a ton of time arguing with cave fellow for no reason at all, the guy is and has been a lost cause since he began posting. He's not nearly as active and as involved as his other games. He's not willing to run for party. I've reread his filter and there is nooooo way you can get a town read on marv that fast, with that kind of bad reasoning. Someone else had a town fast, with zero reasoning. Especially SNB, who's played with him a ton of times.

SnB's filter though seems pretty much like his town filter from last game, in terms of low activity and post coutn, but I haven't played with him much. Marv, do you have any meta read on him?


I think he's saying that SnB's activity and post-count line up with his town meta, and suggesting that his post-count/activity aren't alignment indicative. Then he is finding him scum for other reasons. It checks out to me as OK logic-wise.

I'll admit I'm not considering Z-Bo as much as I should, namely because I'm pretty convinced that risk is scum. However given Syllo's 450 damage claim, there's probably another mafia running about, and it could very well be Z-Bo/austin. Austin's recent "I'm thinking about lynching the 3rd party" post is kinda sketchy.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 05 2012 07:52 GMT
#6386
Also this is worth highlighting

if you are correct, you will reduce his HP by 250 and his max HP by 250


Everyone targeted by SnB had their max hp lowered by 250, which explains why clarity's heal on Oats didn't do anything
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
December 05 2012 07:52 GMT
#6387
On December 05 2012 16:24 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 15:45 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 05 2012 15:37 Hapahauli wrote:
On December 05 2012 15:35 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 05 2012 12:15 Hapahauli wrote:
On December 05 2012 12:10 Adam4167 wrote:
Yeah I cant wrap my head around it, either way.

We either have a town Z-boson that wants to vig someone who is playing to their town meta, or a scum Z-boson in some lopsided bus attempt, where he calls s&b town but still wants him dead.


I don't think he's calling SnB town - he's just saying that SnB is showing some parts of his town meta. That's a lot less severe than you're suggesting IMO, and I lean to Z-Bo town in this case. Scum saying that one of their scum-buddies is showing town traits and then wanting him dead makes even less sense.


I missed this post earlier. With all the crap that was going on in the thread at the time (Toad v Keirathi), (Syllo v Sandro) ect, his number one scum read is someone 'showing parts of their town meta' and this warrants a vigi shot on them? I think that's insane. When I see someone showing parts of their town meta, I assume that person is most probably town and look somewhere else! Or you question them further to consolidate that town read. Its the logical thing to do - you've done it dozens of times in your mafia career (I assume). You do not make this person your number 1 scum suspect and want to blow their head off.



Yeah but again, while it doesn't make much sense from a town perspective, it makes even less sense from a scum perspective. Like that's the most nonsensical way ever to bus a teammate.


I find it more likely to be some kind of poorly executed bus attempt. I cannot see any way for it to be coming from a town-brain.


I went back and tried to read his quote, and I'm reading his comment as far less severe than you are. The relevant line:
Show nested quote +
Strong town read on marv? Really? If marv hadn't told be beforehand he wasn't gonna take this game seriously, I would have gone with scum read on marv. He spends a ton of time arguing with cave fellow for no reason at all, the guy is and has been a lost cause since he began posting. He's not nearly as active and as involved as his other games. He's not willing to run for party. I've reread his filter and there is nooooo way you can get a town read on marv that fast, with that kind of bad reasoning. Someone else had a town fast, with zero reasoning. Especially SNB, who's played with him a ton of times.

SnB's filter though seems pretty much like his town filter from last game, in terms of low activity and post coutn, but I haven't played with him much. Marv, do you have any meta read on him?


I think he's saying that SnB's activity and post-count line up with his town meta, and suggesting that his post-count/activity aren't alignment indicative. Then he is finding him scum for other reasons. It checks out to me as OK logic-wise.

I'll admit I'm not considering Z-Bo as much as I should, namely because I'm pretty convinced that risk is scum. However given Syllo's 450 damage claim, there's probably another mafia running about, and it could very well be Z-Bo/austin. Austin's recent "I'm thinking about lynching the 3rd party" post is kinda sketchy.


His other reasons (his only other reason) was "S&B gave a town read on marv". If someone lurking then giving a town read on marv was grounds for a vig shot in his mind, he should have been up in BioSC's ass as well, as he did the exact same thing.


I'm not adverse to seeing risk.nuke die, either. Hes given us close to zero this game, just throwing out the occasional barb on people like Oats. I've been pretty well ignoring him since day 1, as i'm about as likely to get his alignment right as flipping a coin anyway.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 05 2012 07:58 GMT
#6388
It's also worth noting that none of the flipped mafia, sandroba aside, have had an ability that could in any way be interpreted as inflicting fire damage. Sandroba's fire based ability deals damage over 4 cycles, so fireproof coating would only prevent 100 damage (since it lasts for two cycles). That sure is an amazingly useless ability to have, Hapa.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 05 2012 08:00 GMT
#6389
On December 05 2012 16:58 syllogism wrote:
It's also worth noting that none of the flipped mafia, sandroba aside, have had an ability that could in any way be interpreted as inflicting fire damage. Sandroba's fire based ability deals damage over 4 cycles, so fireproof coating would only prevent 100 damage (since it lasts for two cycles). That sure is an amazingly useless ability to have, Hapa.


Yeah =(

I mean for all we know the next 1 or 2 scum could have something fire-related, but sigh. I could also theoretically prevent myself from doing collateral damage or something if I get lucky =/
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 05 2012 08:04 GMT
#6390
Another unsolved mystery is the fire bombs (or whatever) that burned (?) people over a few cycles. Maybe an ability for some fire damage dealing character. Sounds like a gadget.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18002 Posts
December 05 2012 12:00 GMT
#6391
@Drazerk: you are not playing your normal style. For one, you are not yelling that you should be killed before lylo, and are actually scared about staying alive, using your protective abilities on yourself rather than someone useful to town. Why is that?
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
December 05 2012 12:01 GMT
#6392
DEATH POST!!!!!!!!!!

BL DHF TOWN BWAHAHAA
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18002 Posts
December 05 2012 12:03 GMT
#6393
On December 05 2012 09:22 kitaman27 wrote:
cave because I'm starting to get tired of giving him papercuts and hoping he dies from infection.


Were you able to hit him last night?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18002 Posts
December 05 2012 12:05 GMT
#6394
@Syllo: did you get anything useful from your roleblock last night?
CaveJohnson
Profile Joined October 2012
278 Posts
December 05 2012 12:07 GMT
#6395
On December 05 2012 21:00 Acrofales wrote:
@Drazerk: you are not playing your normal style. For one, you are not yelling that you should be killed before lylo, and are actually scared about staying alive, using your protective abilities on yourself rather than someone useful to town. Why is that?


I jailed Kita didn't I? gimme some credit.

Also I've already said - I need to be alive when Lavos spawns Grey knows me too well.
Mafia smurf
CaveJohnson
Profile Joined October 2012
278 Posts
December 05 2012 12:07 GMT
#6396
On December 05 2012 21:03 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 09:22 kitaman27 wrote:
cave because I'm starting to get tired of giving him papercuts and hoping he dies from infection.


Were you able to hit him last night?


I was untargetable. Nothing could touch me last night
Mafia smurf
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 05 2012 12:11 GMT
#6397
Syllogism I punched Viscera. Do you really think I didn't invite Viscera to my tent. And if so what did I do last cycle?
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18002 Posts
December 05 2012 12:13 GMT
#6398
On December 05 2012 21:07 CaveJohnson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 21:03 Acrofales wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:22 kitaman27 wrote:
cave because I'm starting to get tired of giving him papercuts and hoping he dies from infection.


Were you able to hit him last night?


I was untargetable. Nothing could touch me last night

Did I ask you? Derp.

Anyway, why do you have to be alive when Lavos spawns? You just keep adding to your wacko "town" roleclaim.
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 05 2012 12:13 GMT
#6399
On December 05 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:
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59

risk7nuke

11-27-2012

10:43 AM ET (US)

I invited Goodkaram because I had a townread on him. The mainreason I picked him over others were the way his posts were logical and constructed so I deemed we'd be able to have good discussion in this qt. It never really got to that due to mutual distrust and time difference.

There is more to my role, I wasn't intending to claim this but I don't think it matter holding it back now. I am a conditioned vigilante. I am a fighting robot. Instead of inviting someone to my tent I can attack one player in my tent for 200 damage.

Also, Syllo get your head of your arse please. Whether you like it or not you're a leader to this town now. Act like one instead of a little girl bitch.


This makes no sense whatsoever. Why the hell would you invite a bunch of town-reads to a circle that completely neuters your damage ability. I'm not buying it.

Becauase I deemed my damage abillity weak compared to a masoncircle.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
CaveJohnson
Profile Joined October 2012
278 Posts
December 05 2012 12:15 GMT
#6400
On December 05 2012 21:13 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 21:07 CaveJohnson wrote:
On December 05 2012 21:03 Acrofales wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:22 kitaman27 wrote:
cave because I'm starting to get tired of giving him papercuts and hoping he dies from infection.


Were you able to hit him last night?


I was untargetable. Nothing could touch me last night

Did I ask you? Derp.

Anyway, why do you have to be alive when Lavos spawns? You just keep adding to your wacko "town" roleclaim.


I said this in the initial claim...
Mafia smurf
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