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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 05 2012 14:49 GMT
#6421
When Risk.Nuke said he got roleblocked he didn't know the next 5 cycles were going to be a mass claim fest where we map out everything and reach conclusions like this. The only explanation for him being town would be scum roleblocked him once and then withheld it to eventually get him lynches, which would be the dumbest plan.

The only other reason is if a town Risk.Nuke had a reason to lie, in which case I would like to hear it.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 05 2012 14:57 GMT
#6422
I'm in school. Clarity, do you seriously believe your own case and how much thought did you pour into it. 30 seconds?
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
December 05 2012 15:01 GMT
#6423
Do you have anything to add besides belittling someone?
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
December 05 2012 15:04 GMT
#6424
On December 05 2012 23:57 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm in school. Clarity, do you seriously believe your own case and how much thought did you pour into it. 30 seconds?


Instant delurk, nice. you were gone for 5 days, never answered my questions regarding your opinion on hapa but when a near-confirmed townie makes a case on you you're back in less then 10 minutes.

So, what do you think of Hapa?
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 05 2012 15:06 GMT
#6425
On December 05 2012 23:57 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm in school. Clarity, do you seriously believe your own case and how much thought did you pour into it. 30 seconds?


Regardless of how much time I had to spend on it, it's a case which, if wrong, you should be able to debunk in 30 seconds. But sure go do your school stuff, come home, and debunk it then. I look forward to it.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 05 2012 15:11 GMT
#6426
I could dismantle it in 30 seconds. Why would I fakeclaim roleblocked. I wanted to know if you hadn't considered motives or if you were ignoring them.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
December 05 2012 15:16 GMT
#6427
Desperation for town cred springs to mind, why do scum ever fakeclaim roleblock.

That aside, who do you want to lynch today?
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 05 2012 15:17 GMT
#6428
When Risk.Nuke said he got roleblocked he didn't know the next 5 cycles were going to be a mass claim fest where we map out everything and reach conclusions like this.


Maybe it seemed convenient for you at the time because you didn't want to pull another person into your tent.
Find me a town motive for lying and I'll listen. Or explain to me in what realm of possiblity you have the only roleblock that hasn't been claimed yet.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 05 2012 15:21 GMT
#6429
Yes, I stalled all my nightactions a cycle to fakeclaim a roleblock that what would be a coinflip if it gave me minimal town-cred.

I'll let you know who I want to kill but not now, I still I haven't read hapas filter.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 05 2012 15:23 GMT
#6430
On December 06 2012 00:21 risk.nuke wrote:
Yes, I stalled all my nightactions a cycle to fakeclaim a roleblock that what would be a coinflip if it gave me minimal town-cred.


I never said you played well.

Like I said I'm all ears, give me a better explanation. You've been useless all game and you seemed pretty useless in the mason chat as well, I'm not one to do meta stuff but hapa seems convinced even without this that you're scum.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 05 2012 15:23 GMT
#6431
Scum have a roleblocker role with other options. 1-shot. Third party. Moron town.

Why would I not want more people in my tent. I thought the main case for my role being scum was I wanted to fill up my tent and shoot townies.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 05 2012 15:26 GMT
#6432
On December 06 2012 00:23 risk.nuke wrote:
Scum have a roleblocker role with other options. 1-shot. Third party. Moron town.

Why would I not want more people in my tent. I thought the main case for my role being scum was I wanted to fill up my tent and shoot townies.


I find it odd you are suddenly so active, but I guess fair enough.

You don't need a full tent to shoot people, just need people. Maybe you have some other ability you used that cycle that we don't know about. You think scum used a 1-shot roleblock on you? You think there is a scum out there that has more useful abilities so they've only roleblocked once all game and it's been on you cycle 2?

None of these scenarios make sense.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 05 2012 15:30 GMT
#6433
I have payed minimal attention to this game for the last weak. Nobody listened to me saying Viscera didn't play this as scum. Nobody listened when I told people don't claim your name or MY name there will be repercussions(Hi s&b). I couldn't go on missions and we had no lynches and when we did there were always obvious scum.

I'm active now because now I have something to do and this game doesn't make me drowsy looking at it.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18371 Posts
December 05 2012 15:35 GMT
#6434
On December 06 2012 00:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
When Risk.Nuke said he got roleblocked he didn't know the next 5 cycles were going to be a mass claim fest where we map out everything and reach conclusions like this.


Maybe it seemed convenient for you at the time because you didn't want to pull another person into your tent.
Find me a town motive for lying and I'll listen. Or explain to me in what realm of possiblity you have the only roleblock that hasn't been claimed yet.

Or maybe his role doesn't need someone to be in the tent to do 200 damage. Or maybe it has some extra option that he didn't talk about. He said he'd invite Keirathi, changed his plans and to explain Keirathi not being in the tent claimed roleblocked. However, I am not sure risk is the only unclaimed roleblock. I thought I had more in my list. I will go and check.
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 05 2012 15:36 GMT
#6435
Okey, Say I used some sort of ability cycle 2. Like what kind of ability did you think I used? I'll be back for your answer.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 05 2012 15:37 GMT
#6436
On December 06 2012 00:36 risk.nuke wrote:
Okey, Say I used some sort of ability cycle 2. Like what kind of ability did you think I used? I'll be back for your answer.


You're being useless. Maybe you healed/protected a scumbuddy?
You are grasping at straws.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 05 2012 15:44 GMT
#6437
No I'm figuring out you didn't gave this a single thought when you accused me. You just thought, hey this lurker I might be able to get lynched.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 05 2012 15:44 GMT
#6438
And I just gave you an answer and you didn't react to it. Instead of thinking it through you are trying to throw out a 1000 implausible ideas and hoping something sticks, and it hasn't yet so far.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18371 Posts
December 05 2012 15:47 GMT
#6439
@Syllo: the problem is that N1 there are too many unverifiable night actions. However, it does kinda exculpate risk.nuke unless he could use both abilities (the mason chat I used on CJ yesterday just opens the room as the ability. I can then invite someone tonight and tomorrow night as freebies together with using other abilities. I wasn't roleblocked, so all that failed was inviting CJ to the room due to his untargettability).

Here are all the claims that either haven't been verified by someone else claiming the counterpart, or by mechanics (technically TC's claim isn't verified either, but I'm letting that slide)

Kita claims 50 damage to CJ. CJ claims taking 25.
CJ claims to reflect an action.
Hapa claims flame protection on self.
Zbo no claim at all.
Iamp claims heal on Hapa. Hapa does not claim being healed (but also claims no damage, so /shrug)
Clarity claims HP check on Marv (I believe this one is true, but it is still unverifiable)
Oatsmaster claims shot on Sandro (see Acro for explanation)
H1 claims self-damage. The shot on CJ the next day does not pan out.
GK claims to be charging his vig hit. It IS consistent with his explanation of the ability.
Keirathi claimed no action.
Syllo claimed no action.
Adam claimed a failed guess.
Acro claimed damage to Sandro, Dieno and VE (only damage to Sandro can be verified together with Oatsmaster's damage, if you assume Sandro was not lying).

The really dodgy ones, imho are:

Kita's damage to CJ that is not backed up by CJ's claim.
CJ's betrayal where nobody claims he was hit by his own spell, or even claims to have targeted CJ.
Hapa's flame protection.
Zbo not claiming anything at all ever.

The other players have at least a plausible story in combination with the mechanics they claim.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18371 Posts
December 05 2012 15:50 GMT
#6440
Oh, one other thing to take into account when looking for the scum: it is highly likely they were completely inactive for a while. Insofar as we can tell, VE didn't even use his ability past D2.
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