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Wonky shit with roleblocks:
N1: Marv and Sandro are roleblocked. Explained by Prom.
N2: risk.nuke and Syllo are roleblocked. Keirathi claimed Syllo. Drazerk claimed to RB Djodref.
N3: CJ and Prom are roleblocked. Syllo claims Prom. Nobody claimed Drazerk.
N4: VE roleblocked. Syllo claims.
N5: CJ and Hapa are roleblocked. Syllo claims Hapa.
N6: Kita, Hapa and Iamp are roleblocked. Prom claims Iamp and Hapa and CJ claims Kita. SnB never claimed roleblocked.
N7: no roleblocks.
N2,3 and 5 all have wonky roleblock claims. Only thing that is stable in this is that Drazerk is involved all nights.
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I tend to ignore CJ claiming he got roleblocked, as with anything else he's said. But it's a fair point.
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@Acro
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The really dodgy ones, imho are:
Kita's damage to CJ that is not backed up by CJ's claim.
CJ's betrayal where nobody claims he was hit by his own spell, or even claims to have targeted CJ.
Hapa's flame protection.
Zbo not claiming anything at all ever.
The other players have at least a plausible story in combination with the mechanics they claim.
I'm not sure why you call it "dodgy", since apparently I'm one of your stronger town reads. It's not like I'm fake-claiming or anything.
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Oh that's some interesting stuff on CJ. Might have to give him some thought.
Interested to hear full role-claims (names included) from Drazerk and Austin
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On December 06 2012 01:11 Hapahauli wrote:@AcroShow nested quote +...
The really dodgy ones, imho are:
Kita's damage to CJ that is not backed up by CJ's claim.
CJ's betrayal where nobody claims he was hit by his own spell, or even claims to have targeted CJ.
Hapa's flame protection.
Zbo not claiming anything at all ever.
The other players have at least a plausible story in combination with the mechanics they claim. I'm not sure why you call it "dodgy", since apparently I'm one of your stronger town reads. It's not like I'm fake-claiming or anything.
I have not seen any fire damage. Sandroba's dot is possibly related to that but even that doesn't specify it's fire damage. It *might* be related to Lavos, but then the wording you have seems too obtuse: why would Greymist drop 1 hint to 1 person about this?
In other words, your claim is just plain weird. That's why it's dodgy. I have you as town because I thought your defense was genuine the last time you got into trouble. I thought your tunneling GK was also genuine. However, both can be faked by good scum.
So yes, the claim is dodgy. That doesn't automatically make you scum, it just means there's something that needs explaining.
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Oh, if we're trying to explain the unexplainable: what the hell was that countdown?
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By the way I attempted to rb+track VE on n2, so if I was, hypothetically, targeted by a flamethrower, that would explain why Kita took 50 damage since VE allegedly used his guessing game ability on kita.
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On December 06 2012 01:22 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 01:11 Hapahauli wrote:@Acro...
The really dodgy ones, imho are:
Kita's damage to CJ that is not backed up by CJ's claim.
CJ's betrayal where nobody claims he was hit by his own spell, or even claims to have targeted CJ.
Hapa's flame protection.
Zbo not claiming anything at all ever.
The other players have at least a plausible story in combination with the mechanics they claim. I'm not sure why you call it "dodgy", since apparently I'm one of your stronger town reads. It's not like I'm fake-claiming or anything. I have not seen any fire damage. Sandroba's dot is possibly related to that but even that doesn't specify it's fire damage. It *might* be related to Lavos, but then the wording you have seems too obtuse: why would Greymist drop 1 hint to 1 person about this? In other words, your claim is just plain weird. That's why it's dodgy. I have you as town because I thought your defense was genuine the last time you got into trouble. I thought your tunneling GK was also genuine. However, both can be faked by good scum. So yes, the claim is dodgy. That doesn't automatically make you scum, it just means there's something that needs explaining.
Well it's something that really can't be explained until we flip scum(s). There's apparently an unaccounted for incremental damage (burn?) ability, so that might make my ability a little less useless.
On December 06 2012 01:23 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, if we're trying to explain the unexplainable: what the hell was that countdown?
I still think it was kita related, though I doubt we'll know the specifics until post-game.
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On December 06 2012 01:26 syllogism wrote:
By the way I attempted to rb+track VE on n2, so if I was, hypothetically, targeted by a flamethrower, that would explain why Kita took 50 damage since VE allegedly used his guessing game ability on kita.
Really... that's quite a stretch there.
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Syllo, can we take care of this "you being suspicious of me" thing right now? Because we have a situation where the last two flipped scum (SnB + VE) have both attempted to put heavy suspicion on me in their filters. Combined with the points I've made earlier (my actions regarding Toad in particular), how on earth do you not see that I'm town at this point?
None of the flipped scum have attempted to put significant suspicion on each other in the thread (save clear bussing attempts), and for some reason you think that this pattern was completely defied in my case.
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I believe it is time for a mass claim.
Hapa's ability is theoretically pro town if he uses his flame retardent ability on those he thinks his flamethrower target will target. I wouldn't put it past GreY to have included that.
Risk is well known for doing the counter intuitive thing with his ability or position (see pyp:r where, after the order had been chosen he ignored the plan totally and threw the game into chaos) and his use of his ability does mesh with that.
I'm very wary of Syllo still being alive. Only way I can really see that is if all these low kp night have actually been afk scum. Which, in my mind, points towards a Risk/VE/SnB three man team after we killed Toad/Sand.
Mass claim. Names and abilities. gogogo.
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I can't account for the roleblocks or any missing actions. My role is different depending on the time period, but none of them match up.- While in 2300 AD or 12,000 BC I can counterattack anyone who dealt damage to me.
300 damage to the last person that dealt damage to me.
If multiple people hit me in the same cycle, it's split amongst them.
- While in 600 AD or 1000 AD I can heal/shield
150 HP heal or 75 HP shield.
- While in 65,000,000 BC or End of Time, I can find out a target's current hp
Cycle 6 I shielded Syllo. Didn't know everyone's health values, dienosaur was dead before the end of cycle, and out of the people that were being treated as confirmed town, syllo seemed the strongest player to me.
Cycle 7 I didn't do anything. Considered counterattacking Adam, making sure he was responsible for the damage on me like he claimed, but nobody counterclaimed the damage. Adam said he wasn't going to keep shooting me, so I figured best not to hit him.
One reason I prefer cycles where a lot of people have items/abilities/something waiting for them is that those are the cycles that are useful. I guess I can use End of Time to check a player's HP or two, make sure they're not lying, but otherwise healing/shielding sounds way more useful than an HP check. Especially given that now it's kind of telegraphed.
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I'm wary of nameclaiming, but oh well. I'm usually stupid about blue roles and too protective of them, but I'm Belthasar/Melchior/Gaspar, the three Gurus of Zeal.
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Can you check what z-boson did during the earlier cycles
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On December 06 2012 02:12 syllogism wrote:
Can you check what z-boson did during the earlier cycles
Yeah.
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On December 06 2012 02:06 Promethelax wrote:
I believe it is time for a mass claim.
Hapa's ability is theoretically pro town if he uses his flame retardent ability on those he thinks his flamethrower target will target. I wouldn't put it past GreY to have included that.
Risk is well known for doing the counter intuitive thing with his ability or position (see pyp:r where, after the order had been chosen he ignored the plan totally and threw the game into chaos) and his use of his ability does mesh with that.
I'm very wary of Syllo still being alive. Only way I can really see that is if all these low kp night have actually been afk scum. Which, in my mind, points towards a Risk/VE/SnB three man team after we killed Toad/Sand.
Mass claim. Names and abilities. gogogo.
Your mass claims are invariably bad. This one is no exception.
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On December 05 2012 22:39 phagga wrote:
I've calmed down. My temper sometimes gets the best of me when I feel attacked/manipulated, guess I went a bit overboard yesterday. Sorry for that.
I'll reevaluate some of my reads. Regarding risk, I've written yesterday that from his behaviour early game, i don't think he is scum. I am however worried by his heavy lurking for the last 5 days and his unwillingness to participate. I will look into this as well.
For the time being:
##Vote: Goodkarma
I realize you're angry at GK for his suspicion on you, but it's pretty clear that he's not scum at this point. Even if you don't like his filter, read through the filters of the flipped scum (SnB and VisceraEyes) and look at how much suspicion they put on GK. I find it very hard to imagine that they'd aggressively push a teammate in a situation where they took significant early-game losses.
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So, you can reflect all damage?
Where would scum factional KP reflect to, exactly?
Its apparently not roleblockable (as per promethelax claim), so that means its probably directed from a specific party member.
Aaaaaaaaand if it can only reflect town KP.... thats not a town ability.
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