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On December 05 2012 12:10 Adam4167 wrote:
Yeah I cant wrap my head around it, either way.
We either have a town Z-boson that wants to vig someone who is playing to their town meta, or a scum Z-boson in some lopsided bus attempt, where he calls s&b town but still wants him dead.
I don't think he's calling SnB town - he's just saying that SnB is showing some parts of his town meta. That's a lot less severe than you're suggesting IMO, and I lean to Z-Bo town in this case. Scum saying that one of their scum-buddies is showing town traits and then wanting him dead makes even less sense.
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someone help me speculate.
Only 1 more scum?
Also if we lynch the final scum and get another lynch before the lavos what do we do. Do we have to betray are good friend acro and the other possible 3rd party guys?
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Lynching the final scum instantly summons Lavos.
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On December 05 2012 12:19 Adam4167 wrote:
Lynching the final scum instantly summons Lavos.
it does?
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On November 19 2012 09:43 GreYMisT wrote:
Factions and win conditions
At some point in the game Lavos will be summoned. The powers and nature of Lavos are hidden until 1999 AD. Win conditions are based around Lavos. Lavos will spawn at a predetermined time in the game. If all mafia die, Lavos will be summoned immediately.
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On December 05 2012 12:20 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2012 09:43 GreYMisT wrote:
Factions and win conditions
At some point in the game Lavos will be summoned. The powers and nature of Lavos are hidden until 1999 AD. Win conditions are based around Lavos. Lavos will spawn at a predetermined time in the game. If all mafia die, Lavos will be summoned immediately.
3rd party isnt considered anti town in that situation?
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oatmeal man did you get my heal?
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On December 05 2012 12:23 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 12:20 Adam4167 wrote:On November 19 2012 09:43 GreYMisT wrote:
Factions and win conditions
At some point in the game Lavos will be summoned. The powers and nature of Lavos are hidden until 1999 AD. Win conditions are based around Lavos. Lavos will spawn at a predetermined time in the game. If all mafia die, Lavos will be summoned immediately.
3rd party isnt considered anti town in that situation?
I don't know how 3rd party are considered, that quote doesn't even mention them, nor does the rest of the OP give anything about them away.
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Warning, rambling and maybe partially incoherent? I'll clean this up tomorrow, but some impressions from Acro's filter. Will substantiate tomorrow with some quotes and less-sleepy thoughts.
On December 05 2012 12:18 iamperfection wrote:
someone help me speculate.
Only 1 more scum?
Also if we lynch the final scum and get another lynch before the lavos what do we do. Do we have to betray are good friend acro and the other possible 3rd party guys? SPECULATION!? ON ASSORTED HYPOTHETICAL SITUATIONS!? INVOLVING ACRO!?
On November 19 2012 09:43 GreYMisT wrote:
Factions and win conditions
If all mafia die, Lavos will be summoned immediately.
Town: Defeat Lavos.
Mafia: Kill ALL town and have 1 mafia left alive
Third Party: you thought i was going to tell you? haha. Reading through Acro's filter has me worried. The fact that we don't have to finish off all non-town factions, just red mafia, for lavos to be summoned early has me worried (which is harder to explain, more weird).
I get all the normal feelings that "good friend Acro" is lying about being a 3P survivor, friendly to town, with boatloads of HP so please don't bother trying to kill me, plus I don't even know what I do but use my abilities anyway. If anyone believes that, quit being dumb. But what bits of that you don't believe are important.
First impressions of Acro's filter actually strike me like he's toying with Drazerk, and to a lesser extent Kita. I'll be more specific tomorrow, but...there's a lot in there that I don't like. He says he's being hunted by someone, like he's a survivor and has to avoid a specific other 3P, but he does so while outing himself as the guy that's being hunted. He seems to believe Drazerk is some other 3P, but DOESN'T seem to be worried that Drazerk may be trying to kill him if his hunter is 3P as well (some kind of assassin role looking for Acro).
From the way that Acro/Drazerk interact, I get the feeling they're actually on a faction together. That a third party isn't a person, it's an actual faction. Something about their banter, the way they both claim to have boatloads of abilities, Acro doing a decent amount of checking of Drazerk's hp, what's happened to Drazerk, who shot Drazerk and when, etc. without seeming to actually be afraid that Drazerk is hunting him (Lots of concern for another player while being a claimed third party and not seeming to be AFRAID of the, why so much interest?).
Then there's jut minor Acro stuff. He's one of the people showing more interest than most in sorting everything out. Who used what action when, on whom. Where was this heal. Who caused this damage. Etc. etc. As scum in Aperture 2, I was biiiiiiiiiiiig on that. With a themed game, complex roles, and not knowing everything that could happen (and ESPECIALLY when dealing with protective roles - heals, the rollback here, shields, whatever), as scum in that game we had to figure out what everyone could do and when they'd done it. If you're town, you want to figure things out, but you can't really trust everyone else. If you're scum, you can often trust townies are telling the truth, and you need to piece together everything you can to aim shots/avoid protections. Acro's interest in unexplained damage/heals make me think of that.
Being a difficult to kill survivor and just claiming it so early doesn't seem right. But I could absolutely see an Acro/Drazerk and possibly Kita faction, that isn't friendly but isn't red scum. I want to read Drazerk and Kita tomorrow to see if they feel like they fit in that or not, but Acro just has these weird interactions with them. I get a gut read that I don't want to get to lavos without having flipped Acro and/or Drazerk.
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On December 05 2012 12:23 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 12:20 Adam4167 wrote:On November 19 2012 09:43 GreYMisT wrote:
Factions and win conditions
At some point in the game Lavos will be summoned. The powers and nature of Lavos are hidden until 1999 AD. Win conditions are based around Lavos. Lavos will spawn at a predetermined time in the game. If all mafia die, Lavos will be summoned immediately.
3rd party isnt considered anti town in that situation?
That seems to clearly indicate just mafia and not 3p.
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My thoughts:
Acro is probably the 'assassin' hes claiming to be afraid of, what does a survivor need a 1-shot role+alignment check for?
Regardless, he has to shoot into the dark now since he spent his check on Toad, so hes not a threat unless hes feeling exceptionally lucky or someone claims the name hes looking for.
All of this is irrelevant though, there's still scum out there, evident by lavos' absence. Why the big interest in Acro all of a sudden?
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On December 05 2012 12:47 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 12:23 iamperfection wrote:On December 05 2012 12:20 Adam4167 wrote:On November 19 2012 09:43 GreYMisT wrote:
Factions and win conditions
At some point in the game Lavos will be summoned. The powers and nature of Lavos are hidden until 1999 AD. Win conditions are based around Lavos. Lavos will spawn at a predetermined time in the game. If all mafia die, Lavos will be summoned immediately.
3rd party isnt considered anti town in that situation? That seems to clearly indicate just mafia and not 3p.
hey i dont remember but does your role inflict damage on those who visit when your trying to seed
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On December 05 2012 12:53 Adam4167 wrote:
My thoughts:
Acro is probably the 'assassin' hes claiming to be afraid of, what does a survivor need a 1-shot role+alignment check for?
Regardless, he has to shoot into the dark now since he spent his check on Toad, so hes not a threat unless hes feeling exceptionally lucky or someone claims the name hes looking for.
All of this is irrelevant though, there's still scum out there, evident by lavos' absence. Why the big interest in Acro all of a sudden?
well if risk dosn't come back i think that would make him scum so just thinking ahead
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On December 05 2012 12:53 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 12:47 Promethelax wrote:On December 05 2012 12:23 iamperfection wrote:On December 05 2012 12:20 Adam4167 wrote:On November 19 2012 09:43 GreYMisT wrote:
Factions and win conditions
At some point in the game Lavos will be summoned. The powers and nature of Lavos are hidden until 1999 AD. Win conditions are based around Lavos. Lavos will spawn at a predetermined time in the game. If all mafia die, Lavos will be summoned immediately.
3rd party isnt considered anti town in that situation? That seems to clearly indicate just mafia and not 3p. hey i dont remember but does your role inflict damage on those who visit when your trying to seed
Nope. I have a mad hatter ability though.
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Austin: is all this focus on the 3p a scum claim? We need to hunt scum, not 3p.
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I took 450 damage and this seems too much unless Risk punched me in the face. I'm not quite sure why he wouldn't have done that before this, however.
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Why would you heal a non-confirmed townie who has a worthless ability and who is never going to be shot by mafia? Sigh
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Oh wait, I guess risk didn't actually invite VE last cycle as he promised and instead punched me. The punch just doesn't do 200 damage.
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On December 05 2012 12:15 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 12:10 Adam4167 wrote:
Yeah I cant wrap my head around it, either way.
We either have a town Z-boson that wants to vig someone who is playing to their town meta, or a scum Z-boson in some lopsided bus attempt, where he calls s&b town but still wants him dead. I don't think he's calling SnB town - he's just saying that SnB is showing some parts of his town meta. That's a lot less severe than you're suggesting IMO, and I lean to Z-Bo town in this case. Scum saying that one of their scum-buddies is showing town traits and then wanting him dead makes even less sense.
I missed this post earlier. With all the crap that was going on in the thread at the time (Toad v Keirathi), (Syllo v Sandro) ect, his number one scum read is someone 'showing parts of their town meta' and this warrants a vigi shot on them? I think that's insane. When I see someone showing parts of their town meta, I assume that person is most probably town and look somewhere else! Or you question them further to consolidate that town read. Its the logical thing to do - you've done it dozens of times in your mafia career (I assume). You do not make this person your number 1 scum suspect and want to blow their head off.
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On December 05 2012 15:35 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 12:15 Hapahauli wrote:On December 05 2012 12:10 Adam4167 wrote:
Yeah I cant wrap my head around it, either way.
We either have a town Z-boson that wants to vig someone who is playing to their town meta, or a scum Z-boson in some lopsided bus attempt, where he calls s&b town but still wants him dead. I don't think he's calling SnB town - he's just saying that SnB is showing some parts of his town meta. That's a lot less severe than you're suggesting IMO, and I lean to Z-Bo town in this case. Scum saying that one of their scum-buddies is showing town traits and then wanting him dead makes even less sense. I missed this post earlier. With all the crap that was going on in the thread at the time (Toad v Keirathi), (Syllo v Sandro) ect, his number one scum read is someone 'showing parts of their town meta' and this warrants a vigi shot on them? I think that's insane. When I see someone showing parts of their town meta, I assume that person is most probably town and look somewhere else! Or you question them further to consolidate that town read. Its the logical thing to do - you've done it dozens of times in your mafia career (I assume). You do not make this person your number 1 scum suspect and want to blow their head off.
Yeah but again, while it doesn't make much sense from a town perspective, it makes even less sense from a scum perspective. Like that's the most nonsensical way ever to bus a teammate.
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