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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9639 Posts
i think we already been through that it was a shit plan. he thought it would give him a bunch of information for whatever reason the question is does it make him scum. I think his somewhat stubbornness revolving around the plan is the better tell as he pushed it somewhat early on and even tried to modify to get it to work. He clearly thought it was good and somewhat still good in his mind. I think if he was scum he would more of just went with the flow I think that he is more likely to be town. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9639 Posts
On November 24 2012 14:49 TheChronicler wrote: You're lucky with your day 1 reads then. It's either horrible scum or pure luck. With nothing to go on and no real interactions no scum should slip up that early. Strongly disagree. your an idiot | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 14:49 TheChronicler wrote: You're lucky with your day 1 reads then. It's either horrible scum or pure luck. With nothing to go on and no real interactions no scum should slip up that early. Strongly disagree. @TC We were looking for town players, not for scum players. It's easier... | ||
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iamperfection
United States9639 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9639 Posts
On November 24 2012 14:49 TheChronicler wrote: You're lucky with your day 1 reads then. It's either horrible scum or pure luck. With nothing to go on and no real interactions no scum should slip up that early. Strongly disagree. i was able to catch hapa in two diffrent games from basically the sum of like 5 total posts from him so your just wrong. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9639 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 14:52 iamperfection wrote: zbos i think we already been through that it was a shit plan. he thought it would give him a bunch of information for whatever reason the question is does it make him scum. I think his somewhat stubbornness revolving around the plan is the better tell as he pushed it somewhat early on and even tried to modify to get it to work. He clearly thought it was good and somewhat still good in his mind. I think if he was scum he would more of just went with the flow I think that he is more likely to be town. I disagree. As scum, I would have come with a bad plan and tried to push for it. Does his plan have any sense from a town perspective ? His plan doesn't help us to assure the event success. His plan doesn't help us to find town players. His plan doesn't really help us to find mafia players. The only thing is plan does is giving us some irrelevant information. His plan was made so he couldn't be elected and so he looked like this bad guy with poor ideas and poor logic. Or he is just a guy with poor ideas and poor logic with one year experience on mafia forums. Not buying it. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9639 Posts
On November 24 2012 14:59 Djodref wrote: I disagree. As scum, I would have come with a bad plan and tried to push for it. Does his plan have any sense from a town perspective ? His plan doesn't help us to assure the event success. His plan doesn't help us to find town players. His plan doesn't really help us to find mafia players. The only thing is plan does is giving us some irrelevant information. His plan was made so he couldn't be elected and so he looked like this bad guy with poor ideas and poor logic. Or he is just a guy with poor ideas and poor logic with one year experience on mafia forums. Not buying it. im pretty sure your not him Im looking more at his tone and his agression in it. He clearly thinks it was good in his mind. Does that make him scum? i dont think so | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
On November 24 2012 14:57 iamperfection wrote: also i caught yourharry with 0 posts once but thats a bad example. There will be plenty of time to show off your e-peen post game. Who is your top scum read right now, and why? | ||
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iamperfection
United States9639 Posts
On November 24 2012 14:59 Djodref wrote: I disagree. As scum, I would have come with a bad plan and tried to push for it. Does his plan have any sense from a town perspective ? His plan doesn't help us to assure the event success. His plan doesn't help us to find town players. His plan doesn't really help us to find mafia players. The only thing is plan does is giving us some irrelevant information. His plan was made so he couldn't be elected and so he looked like this bad guy with poor ideas and poor logic. Or he is just a guy with poor ideas and poor logic with one year experience on mafia forums. Not buying it. his pushing of it and aggression in it suggests he actually did want to be elected | ||
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TheChronicler
Macedonia260 Posts
On November 24 2012 14:48 Z-BosoN wrote: 1) Except I didn't mention a contradiction. I just can't fathom what sort of "reads" you are gonna use if not town reads. refer to point no. 2. 2) You also did not post a single fucking thing on what sort of reads they should be. What other reads could there possibly be for you too chose your candidates? You didn't go into detail on this, and this is something important and supposedly an integral part of your plan. This was an attempt, and the only one I actually found in your filter: But I view this as absurd and vague. How are you gonna choose? What's going to be your thought process? How are you gonna judge what gives more information and what does not? I can't view someone choosing a scum read over a town read in this brilliant plan because it would give "more information". So my question remains: What sort of "reads" are you referring to??. Lol the root quote has you saying On November 24 2012 05:22 Z-BosoN wrote: Really, no contradiction? At all? THIS is what a contradiction looks like and this is why posting a lot is pro-town. Scum will trip over themselves eventually. 2) You're right, I didn't. Why should I influence other people's choices? The best information is given by people making choices that haven't been influenced. The "reads" you quoted there at the end is referring to any reads by a single person. We're supposed to trust the reads of a single person who could very well be scum? Sylo isn't even confirmed town and we have Keir in thread saying he's near confirmed scum. What? No, all we know is that he picked a successful team. I think there's equal motivation for scum to succeed as there is to fail it, maybe more to succeed. I don't even know what happens if we fail the event, but it didn't look like anything happened when we won it. Maybe scum knows the results of a win/loss, maybe having a near confirmed leader was more valuable than risking another of their members to force a loss since that narrows the fault to the four people on the team, while success has now given them the chance to put the entire thread under suspicion. I guarantee if we failed the scrutiny would have fallen on the four and we would be lynching one of the four. How is that good for scum? Why am I the only one thinking of this? | ||
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TheChronicler
Macedonia260 Posts
On November 24 2012 14:59 Djodref wrote: I disagree. As scum, I would have come with a bad plan and tried to push for it. Does his plan have any sense from a town perspective ? His plan doesn't help us to assure the event success. His plan doesn't help us to find town players. His plan doesn't really help us to find mafia players. The only thing is plan does is giving us some irrelevant information. His plan was made so he couldn't be elected and so he looked like this bad guy with poor ideas and poor logic. Or he is just a guy with poor ideas and poor logic with one year experience on mafia forums. Not buying it. 1) and sylo's has a higher chance of success how? 2) and sylo's has a higher chance of finding town how? 3) and sylo's has a higher chance of finding scum how? 4) the difference between sylo's plan and mine was that mine exposed more people's decisions than sylo. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 11:00 VisceraEyes wrote: I've been following it fairly closely, actually. D1 was interesting and honestly, pretty confusing considering the events so far of D2. First of all, I'll start by saying I would have supported Sandroba D1 for leader based on his "plan". When I read it, I hadn't considered any kind of advantage/disadvantage behind the party selection process, and the fact that he shared his idea but not his candidates came across as pretty townie all things considered. That being said, TODAY I share syllo's D1 reservations about Sand's play. For all his posts, he doesn't really come out and call anyone suspicious or attack anyone or really anything that looks like scumhunting. Coupled with his inactivity today and the fact that I've been burned by scumSand in the past (Liar Game) and pretty much I'd like to see a paragon of contribution in Sandroba over the rest of the cycle. Otherwise, I'm chalking up his loss of interest to him being scum and lynching him. D1 I was about certain marv was scum but his activity and apparent interest in the game has picked up considerably (and before I joined no less) so I can let him go for now. I think the successful party should be off the table for lynch today (for reasons I think are obvious) but it should be noted that if Dino's claiming a "power role" or whatever is to be believed, I agree that the others are far from being out from under scrutiny. I think given what we know about the setup, policies like "lurkers" should be avoided unless coupled with some serious meta/reasoning as is the case with Sandroba. But who? Sandroba if he doesn't get back in here and tell me I'm retarded and who I should vote for. I could also get behind an Hapa lynch. :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Hapahauli's play, in my opinion, can be characterized summarily as recalcitrant. His almost automatic discrediting of syllo D1 seemed a little over-the-top to me. Syllo's early posts made it pretty clear (at least to me) that he's trying to do what he can for town. I'm sure he's capable enough as scum to fake it, but honestly (and curiously) I don't fear a scum Syllo like I fear (for example) a scum marv or a scum BloodyC0bbler. If Sandroba hadn't cemented my support D1, I would have supported syllo without question. But Hapa was up in arms about people "blindly sheeping syllo". On the surface, okay. We don't want to "blindly sheep" anyone. However, as marv pointed out at the time, simply supporting someone based on their posts is not the same thing as "blindly sheeping them" and that's what Hapa was insinuating was going on with the WHOLE of the syllo wagon. He was literally saying that "no one supporting syllo has any reason to do so" which is patently false and borders on malicious misrepresentation of the facts. @VE I think you should reconsider your read on Hapa. His filter shows that he has gradually understood how we should play this setup (the election of a party leader and how the members of the party influence the outcome of the event). If he is scum, then he plays this story perfectly. I'm also not surprised that he tried vehemently to run against syllo. Syllo platform for his candidature should have been much more controversial imho. It's strange for me that so many people would be ok with the fact that the party members would not be disclosed and it's somehow a counter-intuitive and risky way to play the setup. Let's say sandro comes back and tell you who you should vote. He kinda did it and it looks like he would like to lynch someone among kita, prom and Clarity. Any thoughts on these three players ? | ||
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TheChronicler
Macedonia260 Posts
The thing that made me consider marv's post telling me to stop was clarity's post saying we're just getting a second layer of wifom. I disagree, but with multiple people telling me my plan was bad, I stopped. I still think my plan is right, but I'm not going to continue shitting up the thread. I think I've said more than enough about my plan and why I think it was good. I'm done responding to questions about it unless something new is brought up. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
I'm here and catching up (a million posts for me to read...). I'm all old and shit now. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9639 Posts
On November 24 2012 15:02 goodkarma wrote: There will be plenty of time to show off your e-peen post game. Who is your top scum read right now, and why? i would probably just sheep the sandroba lynch at this point. I dont feel real good about it but ill take a closer look tomorrow before i cast a vote and can dive through more filters as well as his past games. pass my bed time now. | ||
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TheChronicler
Macedonia260 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 15:14 TheChronicler wrote: 1) and sylo's has a higher chance of success how? 2) and sylo's has a higher chance of finding town how? 3) and sylo's has a higher chance of finding scum how? 4) the difference between sylo's plan and mine was that mine exposed more people's decisions than sylo. @TC My problem with you is that you are unable to explain how your plan is good and you keep coming at the fact that the other plans were not so much better. That's why I think you don't really believe in your plan. 1) Town syllo would have tried to select town players in his party. Scum syllo would have selected town players in his party to get town credit. I believe town syllo able to make reliable town reads on D1 and there were players really looking town D1. 2) Easy to find town players yesterday. Dieno and Oats show the enthusiasm of first time town players. Dieno has even claimed. I have some other town reads based on the way people have approached the setup and on the general interest they have shown in the game, they are weak reads, but when I have them on players I'm used to play with, I could get confident on these reads. 3) We have a chance to find scum today and we should scum hunt in order to do so. That's something you have failed to do. 4) Yes, but you didn't show me a concrete example of how we could have interpreted these decisions to find scum. It was just a plan for the sake of making a plan. There is no clear town advantage to follow this plan. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 15:21 Promethelax wrote: Hey all, just checked the day post and this page, since the mission was successful and I'm pretty sure one or the other of Sand/Syllo is scum Vote ## Sand, mission success=Town Syllo (According to Ockham's laser) I'm here and catching up (a million posts for me to read...). I'm all old and shit now. @Prom If sandro flips town, would you like to lynch syllo after that ? | ||
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