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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
I'm going to sleep now. 'night guys. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
The first part: can you honestly say that? I'm never one to give very precise reasoning for reads and it's more of a gut feeling most of the time, about a certain post or timing or w/e. I don't even understand how you came up with this one. Second part: fair enough, I didn't bother with this day1. I'm pretty sure prom and kita are scum at this point and almost sure on clarity. I'll try to provide proof in another post. First of all, I'm not sure if I even made this argument (my problem is mostly content/wording/tone of his posts). He hasn't given any reads whatsoever besides maybe stating that Clarity_nl is "smelly". Our reads are usually precise and not gut based; definitely not "most of the time". I discuss reads and mafia lot with him and this is a complete misrepresentation of our usual thought process. Occasionally the reads can be based on a more general feeling, but it's always based on content, so for instance we may find certain sentence or post disingenuous, but it is almost always something that can be explained in more detail. There is no way sandroba believes that he is a gut based rather than reasoning based player. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On October 13 2012 22:51 sandroba wrote: What is even there to talk about? Over the time I've been playing mafia I grew more and more away from hard analysis and began to use apparent integrity and sincerity of people's post as a way to tell scum and town appart. That means that the way I do it is completely subjective to what I consider to be a post (from the particular person I'm looking at) to be honest. Of course the method is not flawless and is completely dependant on my ability to make that judgement, but it served me right in the past and I see no reason to change it. From that place you can see clearly that any explanation I provide you with for my reasoning wouldn't apply to everyone and is not verifyable. What you can do is check for the same things I do. The motives and truthfulness behind my posts and see if you think I'm trying to put on a show or I'm speaking my mind without the fear of consequence. If you can make that distinction then you will have a good idea of my alignment. The stupid exercise of breaking posts apart and endelessly saying things are "scummy" without even defining and not even knowing what scummy means is what brings this tiresome conversation that I refuse to take part of where everyone indulges each other and strikes each other's dicks. I remember this post from sandro in the Looney game (I was still a newbie at that time and this post made a certain impression on me) so I believe that sandro reads are based on a combination of the two (guts + reasoning). It's difficult to assess the integrity and truthfulness of someone's posts, for me it's more like a feeling you get when you read and try to understand their thought process. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
Okay glad to see you are back syllo since there is no point in talking to everyone else if I can't convince you. My reads are indeed gut based, and from that I mean exactly what you say (wording/tone). Something feels off or unatural, and that's certainly not easily explainable. And for what it's worth yes, of course it's based on reason, but I rarely bother to explain it in detail. I posted the "clarity smells funny" thing right I read something he said that felt off for me. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18255 Posts
Sandro: your last two posts sound like you are wallowing in self-pity and acting like a kicked dog. That does not sound like the self-assured town Sandro who tells people that they are wrong, bad or useless if they disagree. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but my doubt is getting very large. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18255 Posts
I am glad your thought process is finally becoming clear and I am starting to see why you think there is no contradiction there. Let me go through it with you and see if I understand you this time round. If any point is wrong, please correct it, or if the whole thing is wrong, please say so. We will get to questions and considerations afterwards. 1. You have no confidence in your own D1 scum or town reads. 2a. You extrapolate from that that nobody else can be right in their D1 reads either. 2b. Or you have seen so many D1 mislynches that you conclude town sucks at picking scum and therefore also sucks at picking town. 3. Therefore the best town can do when facing the problem of picking not one, but four town reads on D1 is to choose pretty much at random and pray that we're right. 4. Your plan would probably fail the event (but that is unimportant, because we would probably fail the event anyway, see point 3), but would give us insight into who picked whom and based on what reasoning. We could then use this to scumhunt in the rest of the game. Further considerations are that you would pick your scumreads to give their preferred party member and not town reads. Is this assessment correct? Please also indicate whether you feel 2a or 2b is most accurate, or both are considerations you had in mind? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
@Sandro, Syllo still took damage last night.. so why are you lying? @Syllo, Hopefully the canine will be fine. :D | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18255 Posts
On November 24 2012 19:55 Oatsmaster wrote: The last thing that I am going to say about TC is that his vote on syllo makes perfect sense with his earlier reasoning that town shouldnt give reads that will help scum. @Sandro, Syllo still took damage last night.. so why are you lying? He claims roleblocked. So obviously his ability didn't go through. I'm more interested in "Shadow". People with shadow magic in the game are Robo, Magus and lots of bad guys. Robo is unlikely to have an ability called Shadow. Magus doesn't seem like town, could be 3P. The rest are all likely scum or 3P. However, Sandro seems well versed in Chrono Trigger lore and would know this if he was actually scum... and would refrain from mentioning this. A conundrum. @Syllo, Hopefully the canine will be fine. :D I share this wish. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Now the question is, Do we believe Sandro? Sandro, do you want to full roleclaim? hmm a conundrum... | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
It is an easy claim as scum to make because, 1. He got roleblocked so obviously it didnt go through. 2. Since he is familiar with the lore, its not difficult to make up a skill. 3. Syllo is the best target to put protective skills so it seems believable. 4. This claim is really late, why didnt he say it in his opening post where he lists the damage taken and the roleblock and waiting until now, where there isnt a lot of activity? | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On November 24 2012 19:44 Acrofales wrote: Okay. You want vibe? I got vibe. Sandro: your last two posts sound like you are wallowing in self-pity and acting like a kicked dog. That does not sound like the self-assured town Sandro who tells people that they are wrong, bad or useless if they disagree. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but my doubt is getting very large. How do you read self pity into that? My tone is like that because even though syllo is wrong this time I respect his play overall and he is town. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18255 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On November 24 2012 20:16 Oatsmaster wrote: The thing I have about this claim by Sandro. It is an easy claim as scum to make because, 1. He got roleblocked so obviously it didnt go through. 2. Since he is familiar with the lore, its not difficult to make up a skill. 3. Syllo is the best target to put protective skills so it seems believable. 4. This claim is really late, why didnt he say it in his opening post where he lists the damage taken and the roleblock and waiting until now, where there isnt a lot of activity? ??? Why would I claim my ability before someone who knew who I targeted asked to reveal it? I don't mind claiming my role name, I don't see how it makes a difference. I'm spekkio, the master of war. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On November 24 2012 20:34 Acrofales wrote: @Sandroba: a lot of the case against you is inspired by the idea that scum must have had someone in the running for party leader yesterday. Do you agree with this? And if it's not you, then who was it? I answered that already: kita. He got overshadowed by his lack of activity and the fact that everyone was supporting me or syllo right off the bat. | ||
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