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Acrofales
Spain17821 Posts
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On November 24 2012 14:18 kitaman27 wrote: There are a couple people whose filters I've looked through that I believe warrent mention. The first would be nuke. The thing that bothers me the most about this post is how much resolve nuke has that sandroba is the right man for the job. He doesn't question whether or not sandroba is actually town, which is the first thing I'd be looking for. "Furthermore from my experience Sandroba's greatest strength is finding townies and then scum by process of elimination." This quote is what I found the most off. When I think of sandroba, I think of a good late game scumhunter. What makes him think that sandroba is a great town hunter, compared to anyone else? It's as if he is coming up with a reason that is perfect for the job to justify his vote. At a later point, nuke attacks arco for his team selection based on experience instead of alignment. This appears to be exactly what he had based his own leader selection upon. Throughout nuke's filter, he is asking tons of questions, but not providing any opinions of his own. This is something I find myself doing quite often as scum. Towards the end of the day, after sandroba goes afk, he switches his support to goodkarma. Rather than convincing others that this is the best route, he is more concerned with his own personal selection. He lists two people as town reads, but provides no real reasoning and shows little effort to attempt to get them added to the party. Today he has voted sandroba on the basis of inactivity. He has not contributed much on day two and hasn't provided any alternate scum reads. He is also not very aggressive, which is something I'm used to seeing when he is town. I have one other person I'd like to bring up, but it will probably have to wait until morning. I'll choose my prefered lynch candidate after that. Scummy post from a scummy player. I don't question that Sandroba is town or not? You're not the first person to bring it up so perhaps I've phrased it poorly but I did absolutely believe Sandroba was town at the time. As I said his activity was promising and from what I had seen at that time he looked townier by far then anyone else. The next person who disagrees with that better be able to tell me why Sandroba was scummy at that time. You other point is bullshit. I had a townread on sandroba. Acrofales didn't have townreads on his three candidates. He just wanted to send them because they were good players and for that reason. If you want opinions from me you're free to ask me for them and I may or may not give you an answer, but if you don't I'll be damned if I'll accept that you show up later accusing me of not sharing opinions when all game you've not given a fuck about them. I started disliking Sandroba when Sandroba stopped acting like a townie. If you think that's suspicious you need to learn how to play this game. Furthermore the reason I'm voting sandroba is not inactivity and if you don't think he's scummy I want to hear concrete reasons why from you. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Lets go through the sequence of events, 1. Sandro posts that he is roleblocked. 2. Prome imply's that he did the roleblock and it had a special ability showing who the target attacked that cycle. 3. Sandro then claims the ability, Shadow and says he targeted Syllo, which basically again, imply's that Sandro is town. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 20:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Anyone else think that this is a setup by Sandro and Prome to 'verify' both their alignments? Lets go through the sequence of events, 1. Sandro posts that he is roleblocked. 2. Prome imply's that he did the roleblock and it had a special ability showing who the target attacked that cycle. 3. Sandro then claims the ability, Shadow and says he targeted Syllo, which basically again, imply's that Sandro is town. I think that we need to know one of the players alignment before making such conclusion. Moreover, Sandro called Prom a mafia player and Prom called Sandro a mafia player. Prome didn't claim to have roleblocked Sandro by the way. He has just said that he knew who sandro intended to target. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
@risk If not for inactivity, then why are you voting for me? @everyone Just think for a second. Look at the team I picked. If I were scum and planning to fail the mission I would be basically commiting suicide. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On November 24 2012 20:38 sandroba wrote: I answered that already: kita. He got overshadowed by his lack of activity and the fact that everyone was supporting me or syllo right off the bat. I've not seen any reasoning from you on why kita (or anyone else for that matter). What gives? You're not pushing anyone. Probably you only have to convince syllo, but this influential punter wants to know why you're not pushing your reads either? Regarding Prome's interactions with me: I'm ok backing up Prome on this aspect of his play. As the target I didn't feel anything unnatural about it. I tend to have quite specific and different interactions with people. I saw iamp mentioned, and I agree with keir/hapa. Was a townread early but waning. Regarding my own play - I seem more interested on a lynch day than some party leader n stuff day? Go figure if that makes sense from what you know about me as a mafia (the game) player. Today I need to research kita quite a bit to see if I'm being unfair with the standards I'm holding him to. I can't really get over right now how he said he supported a sandroba lynch (as if he always had) but had never mentioned it before and has never mentioned it again. syllogism's assertion that kita goes after easy targets hasn't helped. On TheChronicler - just totally uninterested. I still don't really think he's scum and it's all a bit tedious. From the way the game has progressed I get the impression that sandroba and kitaman aren't both town. And there are reasons for both to be scum. Now to find out which is the best lynch. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
LOL its an easy bandwagon to jump onto at this point, also easy to jump off it. Yes I think that we should wait until some flips but meh, just thinking. Djo why dont you change your vote of VE? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On November 24 2012 20:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Anyone else think that this is a setup by Sandro and Prome to 'verify' both their alignments? Lets go through the sequence of events, 1. Sandro posts that he is roleblocked. 2. Prome imply's that he did the roleblock and it had a special ability showing who the target attacked that cycle. 3. Sandro then claims the ability, Shadow and says he targeted Syllo, which basically again, imply's that Sandro is town. Some scenarios with these two players did cross my mind, but I don't want to speculate too much right now. Suffice to say if we lynched sandroba and he flipped scum, this would not make Prome necessarily town. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 20:58 Oatsmaster wrote: imply. I know your english is bad but.. LOL its an easy bandwagon to jump onto at this point, also easy to jump off it. Yes I think that we should wait until some flips but meh, just thinking. Djo why dont you change your vote of VE? @Oats Check the voting thread again, I'm voting for TheChronicler, who I believe is scum. The is the scumread I have on which I am the most confident. @everyone Regarding kita, the fact that he had conditional damage with the guessing game without trying to scum hunt and push really hard some players is startling me. I would have used this kind of thing to get even more traction to promote the lynch of my scumread. But that's only me. @kita Are you sure that you don't want to reveal your guess ? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
How would kita revealing his guess do anything? Like whether he is lying about the guessing game if we lynch the guy other than what he guessed? I really think that adds some unneeded bias into who to lynch | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 21:15 Oatsmaster wrote: right, Whoops. How would kita revealing his guess do anything? Like whether he is lying about the guessing game if we lynch the guy other than what he guessed? I really think that adds some unneeded bias into who to lynch @Oats Yes, but if you have a strong scumread that people don't want to lynch, this bias could help you to finalize the lynch if you have enough town cred. Like, "I believe this guy is scum so I set him as my guess for today, and if you don't lynch him, you are indirectly hurting me, hurting me hurts the town". I don't know, maybe it's just me ^^ | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Kita has like 0 town cred now. And I dont think that he is well-known for his reads so why would people basically sheep him? Sandro, I am eagerly waiting for expanded scum reads on Kita, Clarity and Prome | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17821 Posts
On November 24 2012 20:57 marvellosity wrote: I've not seen any reasoning from you on why kita (or anyone else for that matter). What gives? You're not pushing anyone. Probably you only have to convince syllo, but this influential punter wants to know why you're not pushing your reads either? Is not pushing reads a scumtell? Especially if so blatantly obvious about it? Regarding Prome's interactions with me: I'm ok backing up Prome on this aspect of his play. As the target I didn't feel anything unnatural about it. I tend to have quite specific and different interactions with people. I saw iamp mentioned, and I agree with keir/hapa. Was a townread early but waning. Regarding my own play - I seem more interested on a lynch day than some party leader n stuff day? Go figure if that makes sense from what you know about me as a mafia (the game) player. Today I need to research kita quite a bit to see if I'm being unfair with the standards I'm holding him to. I can't really get over right now how he said he supported a sandroba lynch (as if he always had) but had never mentioned it before and has never mentioned it again. syllogism's assertion that kita goes after easy targets hasn't helped. I agree. Today, I want to figure out Kita, GK and Prom. I also feel that I am starting to figure out Chronicler, which will allow me to go over his filter again and see if it makes sense as town. On TheChronicler - just totally uninterested. I still don't really think he's scum and it's all a bit tedious. From the way the game has progressed I get the impression that sandroba and kitaman aren't both town. And there are reasons for both to be scum. Now to find out which is the best lynch. I am more cautious. I honestly feel that Toad could also have been the scum in the running. I haven't analyzed his play yet, but Sandro is giving answers that feel right. As stated before, his absense of caring can be explained by him simply going afk at the wrong time. His failure to give constructed reads seems fairly in line with what I know about him in the thread. Syllo seems to be trying to read Sandro as if they are skyping each other, which is simply not the case here. I feel Sandro is not playing any different from the town games I have seen him in, except for a noted drop off in activity. I also think his claim of using "shadow" is indicative of a townie use, but he might be bamboozling us. I realized before he replied that his self-pity could be explained as a townie who is quite unused to getting mislynched feeling himself powerless to convince people (or Syllo) that he's town. Additionally I am a bit suspicious of the way the Sandro wagon formed. It is basically one giant sheep of Syllo, which is way too easy for scum to just hop on with no-to-little reasoning. While I realize this would happen regardless of Sandro's alignment (based only off what Syllo thinks), it doesn't mean I like it. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17821 Posts
On November 24 2012 20:43 risk.nuke wrote: You other point is bullshit. I had a townread on sandroba. Acrofales didn't have townreads on his three candidates. He just wanted to send them because they were good players and for that reason. What the hell? We were like 3 posts into the game. How was I supposed to have a town read on anybody? It was a conversation starter and it worked. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On November 24 2012 21:39 Acrofales wrote: Is not pushing reads a scumtell? Especially if so blatantly obvious about it? if i ask myself what town sand and scum sand would be doing in this situation, yeah, it's a scumtell. I understand far less why town sandroba isn't pushing anyone. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17821 Posts
On November 24 2012 21:44 marvellosity wrote: if i ask myself what town sand and scum sand would be doing in this situation, yeah, it's a scumtell. I understand far less why town sandroba isn't pushing anyone. Are you pushing anyone? You're pressuring people, but I don't get the opinion that you have made up your mind on anybody you think is scum. You are not pushing your reads much either. Is that a scumtell for you? How about Kita? Toad? Why single Sandroba out of the veterans who are not currently pushing their scum reads? | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
You don't feel sandro is not playing any different? How about the fact he has done or said nothing useful at all whole game long. Not a single read; just throwing a name out there with no reasoning is not a read. Failure to construct reads is fairly in line with what? Is the sandro you know completely useless? The little time he has devoted to the game has centered around him defending himself rather than doing something actually useful. Despite the amount of seeming effort you are putting into the game, your defense of Sandro is starting to feel quite suspicious. | ||
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