EPTSincerely,
Someone-not-terrible.
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
Sincerely, Someone-not-terrible. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
If you don't think so could you please stop the nonsensical "OMFG TOAD IS LURKING" or "OMFG TOAD IS SOFTDEFENDING" when I at least admitted the first one myself (the 2nd one was just bullshit) and when clearly neither of those is alignment indicating at all for me. You're a smurf right? You should know me and you should very well know that I'm Mr. HypnoToad, especially in the games I ended up playing as mafia.... LI, never forget oh and hi VE  So do me a favor and actually ready my posts instead of what you're doing right now. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On November 24 2012 23:03 marvellosity wrote: Toad, it's funny how you've called me scum like 50 times, but the only explanation you've given at all is that me/my posting seems "off". Sincerely, Someone-not-terrible. I wouldn't say 50 times. And no the explanation I've given is that you're usually better than what you're showing. I really disliked your d1 performance. I really disliked the points you were pointing out d1, like when I was voting Kita and you kept on harping about it like you're some guy in his 2nd game who never had a game with me. I really dislike the fact that you're not so much involved early on, like you did in whatever-the-name-was-the-one-were-I-was-mason and turned out to be mafia as well. Can't say much about your d2 performace right now because again, I'm still catching up. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On November 24 2012 23:14 Toadesstern wrote: I wouldn't say 50 times. And no the explanation I've given is that you're usually better than what you're showing. I really disliked your d1 performance. I really disliked the points you were pointing out d1, like when I was voting Kita and you kept on harping about it like you're some guy in his 2nd game who never had a game with me. I really dislike the fact that you're not so much involved early on, like you did in whatever-the-name-was-the-one-were-I-was-mason and turned out to be mafia as well. Can't say much about your d2 performace right now because again, I'm still catching up. I didn't want to go there, because it didn't seem worth it, but you've been straight out lying about LV all game. Mainly to make yourself look better. You excuse yourself in LV for inviting me into your mason chat as either "you were trolling" or there were 2 kenpachi-like people left to invite. This is simple false. You invited me BEFORE confirmed town EchelonTee, because I appeared so town to you, and BEFORE extremely townie newbie austinmcc. You invited me because your read on me was wrong and you thought it was the useful thing to do. Given I replaced in night 1 LV, and pushed a scum straight away who got modkilled, I was viewed as town from very early and that remained the case throughout the game. So saying "I wasn't so much involved early on" is once again a flat out lie. Just to dig the boot in, mafia (me/wiggles) left you alive that game, despite you were confirmed town, for many many cycles because you were so completely and utterly useless. Stop referring to games where you've managed to talk yourself into having a really rosy view of the outcome when in reality your read on me was 100% wrong and you got completely outplayed, and left alive by scum for being an irrelevance. And stop lying about it now. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
So far there's no real reason to suspect marv, given that he backed the winning horse and he was one of the first to do so. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On January 06 2012 15:13 kitaman27 wrote: As maifa, I also have a habbit of trolling because it is so easy to do. On November 22 2012 10:03 kitaman27 wrote: THEY'RE BRINGING OUT THE ATTACK ADDS! I WISH IT DIDN'T HAVE TO COME TO THIS BUT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE (AND MY FLAMES BURN BLACK) The reason I have been absent is because I have been at work all day like a hard working leader should be. Thankfully I have the next two days off! However, do you know who aren't very thankful? Marv, syllo, and sandroba! ![[image loading]](http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/17971151/2/stock-illustration-17971151-thanksgiving-day-in-america.jpg) I am deeply saddened to report to you all that these three individuals are suspected of not planning to celebrate Thanksgiving tomorrow! There are even rumors that syllo is a VEGETARIAN who enjoys spending the day watching SOCCER! Do you really want to elect a terrorist as your leader? Vote for a true leader. Vote Kita! Paid for by the Kavdragon Sucks Party More to come. Stay tuned! | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On November 24 2012 23:19 marvellosity wrote: I didn't want to go there, because it didn't seem worth it, but you've been straight out lying about LV all game. Mainly to make yourself look better. You excuse yourself in LV for inviting me into your mason chat as either "you were trolling" or there were 2 kenpachi-like people left to invite. This is simple false. You invited me BEFORE confirmed town EchelonTee, because I appeared so town to you, and BEFORE extremely townie newbie austinmcc. You invited me because your read on me was wrong and you thought it was the useful thing to do. Given I replaced in night 1 LV, and pushed a scum straight away who got modkilled, I was viewed as town from very early and that remained the case throughout the game. So saying "I wasn't so much involved early on" is once again a flat out lie. Just to dig the boot in, mafia (me/wiggles) left you alive that game, despite you were confirmed town, for many many cycles because you were so completely and utterly useless. Stop referring to games where you've managed to talk yourself into having a really rosy view of the outcome when in reality your read on me was 100% wrong and you got completely outplayed, and left alive by scum for being an irrelevance. And stop lying about it now. I know that I was useless that game and I know that you kept me alive that game, no need pointing that out. But no, I did not invite you to the mason circle because of a read. I invited you because I had to because I assumed that mafia would either kill me or ET at almost-lylo. If I remember correctly you guys DID kill ET that night and me the next one. Inviting him would have been useless because of that. If left unharmed I knew that I could get another guy into the circle as well so there was no reason to get either ET or Austin in there the first (of the last 2) nights at all. You even said yourself that you had to step up the game postgame and were afraid that it'd look odd after how you pretty much lurked after from d2 on and had to step up the game later on to lead people. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
in the postgame i just basked in everyone saying how awesome I was, as far as i recall. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Yeah I thought that day 1 marv seemed really detached and not involved, day 2 marv is looking a whole lot better. I would say town yet, but I dont have a scum read on him. REASONS FOR VOTING SANDRO. His party campaign had no feeling, he didnt feel involved in actually pushing his own campaign, I.E. he did it for the pure reason of LOOKING town. 1 thing that I felt was really weird, earlier, Sandro justified that he was town because he picked 2 of the final 3 party members. I really do not think that being able to 'predict' the party is alignment indicative and it irks me that an experienced vet would think differently. His first post after the 'flip' felt whiny and defensive. He gives like 3 scumreads without explaining further and still hasnt explained any of them. He did not post any strong town reads the whole game and he gives a weak explanation that he goes by gut feeling that is hard to explain. I find this hard to believe because he is 'famed' for his scum reads and from what I have seen on TL Mafia, nobody votes for someone else's gut feeling without proper explaination | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On November 24 2012 23:34 Clarity_nl wrote: How is this relevant to the current game? Toad are you trying to make a meta read on marv without making an actual read? it's relevant because Toad just says random shit without basis and I've decided to completely discredit him for it. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
From looking at past-games, my suspicions on kita are confirmed to what I thought before - he's much more useful and insightful as town than as scum (as well as that little nugget up there ).I will try to draw that into a logical case containing shit from this game after lunch. I also need to work out if I'm actually opposed to sandroba's lynch, or if I'm just more in favour of a kita lynch. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
I would say town yet, but I dont have a scum read on him. I wouldnt say town yet | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17811 Posts
However, his D2 behaviour is really bugging me. He was adamant about townhunting D1, yet did not really do much of it. His reason for not wanting to scumhunt is that there was no lynch. D2 has a lynch, yet the sum total of his "scumhunting" is parking his vote on Sandro in a full acknowledgement of sheeping Syllo: On November 23 2012 18:47 goodkarma wrote: I am entirely opposed to troll(CaveJohnson) hunting at present. I am not as confident as some seem to be that, based off his current anti-town dialogue, he has demonstrated he in fact is mafia. On the other hand, if Sandroba's meta (as stated by others here) is to be believed, he is a clear choice as a lynching candidate for today. He has gone into hardcore lurker mode, which normally is something I wouldn't consider a tell. However, as a player of his reputation that plays so well as town to disappear as he has, I deem voting to lynch him appropriate. I would like to hear what he has to say to explain his current complete lack of caring since very early this game. And until he does: ##Vote: Sandroba I am just having a really hard time deciding if this is lazy town or content scum :S The meta-analysis was extensive, but ultimately unproductive. When I first read through GK's filter I thought I saw a very cautious, constructed use of language. However, upon reading him in NMMXXIV I get the same feeling there: it is just his way of speaking. His playstyle there is not the same as here. He seems far more involved. However, his playstyle is also not like in LVII, where he seemed completely uninclined to want to figure anything out, whereas on D1 I at least got the feeling he was interested in the game. As for Dieno's case: [spoiler] On November 24 2012 05:42 Dienosore wrote: Ok here are the results of my investigation on GF. I believe him to be a leading candidate for the gallows: Mistake No. 1 + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2012 15:26 goodkarma wrote: Perhaps our host could explain?: Are chosen party members kill-immune? If not, what happens if scum kill a party member? On November 21 2012 16:35 goodkarma wrote: I've touched on this a few times. Hopefully this is the last time clarification is needed. This game isn't about scumhunting. Rather, it revolves around townhunting. On November 21 2012 17:16 goodkarma wrote: The game structure inherantly requires us to produce targets for the mafia, and we'll just need to accept that... I should reword what I said, then, as follows.: Until such a time where lynching becomes an available option, we should be prioritizing townhunting over scumhunting as we choose our party leader and members. These all happened early and seem to come from a scumbag's perspective. While one post wouldn't necessarily indicate mafia, I became suspicious when they began to stack up quickly Mistake No. 2 + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2012 17:50 goodkarma wrote: Nice to play with you again Toadesstern  . There were a few things you mentioned I would like to briefly touch up on and then I'm really going to bed...What you're saying here seems perfectly reasonable to me. However, I still feel as if blah blah blah... Here he completely glosses over Toad's accusation of Keirathi, indirectly saying to me that he supported the idea of a scum Keirathi. Well, it turned out Keirathi was in the group when we succeeded, so...? Mistake No. 3: + Show Spoiler + On November 22 2012 15:10 goodkarma wrote: Okay. To the best of my ability I have selected a team. 1) Oats: This is a guy who has played unafraid of what others think of him, making a mediocre (at best) case against clarity and chiming in every chance he gets. He clearly is excited to scumhunt, which is what I believe to be the only reason he placed a vote on toad. I visualize a scum in this setup taking more time discussing who's town, which is definitely the "safer" route. 2) Djo: I can't say that I have a very strong read on him, but I'm leaning towards town. He has proposed his own ideas for how to run an election. A scum could be just as forthcoming, however. Beyond that, I have to go off of his reads: he doesn't trust acro and prox, and thinks oats is town. I am in general agreement there. Definitely my weakest read. 3) Sandroba: However much I feel he's playing lazy (he is), I keep coming back to his filter. I do currently believe that he is town. Everything he has done to date has been to provide clarity and insight into reads others have had and the general mechanics of this specific game. He could do this as scum, but I am inclined to believe he could have been a little less helpful and gotten away with it as scum as well. I look forward to seeing his proposed party as this will provide the information I need to help solidify my understanding of his thought process and determine if he truly belongs on this platform. But as it currently stands, I believe him to be town, and am including him on my platform. A brief note on Dieno: He is playing so badly that many would consider him likely town, as newbie scum tend to play far more cautiously. However, the persistence and singlemindedness with which he's been pushing his campaign (even after repeatedly being warned) and shitting up the thread leaves enough doubt in my head to exclude him. As a newbie town trying to improve he would have changed his gameplan long ago, as a troll he would be more, well, trolly, and as a newbie who doesn't give a shit he would have given up. How he's been playing is just plain sad, to the point where I wonder if what he's been doing is deliberately anti-town as a scum. He most definitely could be town, but I would rather not take such a risk on such an unknown. So he picked Oats for the obvious towny to gain people's trust, Djo who has always been suspicious to me, and Sandro who has recently come under heavy fire as a scumbag. Not very solid picks IMO. Also, why attack me at the end of it? He doesn't directly call me scum, but it seems as if he is trying to plant some seeds of doubt at least. He ends up switching his party no much later to Djo/Phagga/Dien. Why so flip floppy, I ask? He later revealed that I made the cut solely because of my roleclaim. Mistake No. 4 + Show Spoiler + On November 24 2012 01:19 goodkarma wrote: I am not in the least bit surprised that he has made one. But he has come to the correct conclusion, for the right reasons. I do regret that the last few times I've played with him I never took the time to congratulate him, so I'll do so now. He played NMM XXIII spectacularly, and it has been a pleasure to play with him since then. <3 Happa He seems overly relieved to finally have someone call him town. Even threw in a cute little heart there too. My gut says he started off very scummy, then toned it down a bit after he decided to drop his campaign and try to blend in. He is definitely top 3 on my Mafiadar. My next target: Sandroba 1. I agree that I don't like his focus on townhunting, but lets be honest here: what use does mafia have to townhunt, except that they can probably hide it more easily? They already know who is town. Null tell. 2. Being wrong is not a scumtell. 3. Party picks are indeed one of the mysteries, but I don't see his party as scum motivated. More as if he is not very good at getting his motivation and town reads straight. I still have more problems with Phagga than anybody else he picked, though. I don't get how he suddenly picked Phagga out of the blue. 4. Null. I am actually of the reverse opinion: he started out okay and got scummier over time. The reason I asked for Dieno's reads was because I stumbled over GK's use of language. Dieno apparently didn't, which was what surprised me a bit in his case. However, the meta explains his language quite a bit. One last thing: On November 24 2012 13:34 goodkarma wrote: I can understand the excuses that Sandroba has provided, but I find the complete lack of followup on who he would consider a prime scum suspect to be disturbing. It's as though he is holding back, maybe... because he's scum, and as scum making up even a half-baked scumread is hard for him. I would really like to see him take some initiative and actually help town out. He continues to fail to deliver in this department, which would leave me to believe that his complete apathy and lack of involvement in this game is indeed scum-driven. I will keep my vote on Sandroba for the time being. Syllo has all but proven himself to be town at this point, and I will change my vote from Sandroba only if he somehow believes he isn't scum after his latest post. The bolded statement feels INCREDIBLY forced. As if he is intentionally playing down Sandro's skill at playing scum to make it fit in with his case. Given that everybody and their brother is looking at Sandro to push his reads, don't you think a scum Sandro would have done so by now? [/QUOTE] | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Would a mafia player that is under heavy suspicion from sheeping votes but no clear case push reads? or wait for a clear case on another player, which is kita or Cave Johnson at this this point and push that case hard? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17811 Posts
Okay. I have been going over GK's filter for quite a bit now and I am really drawing a null read on him. His D1 play seems quite fine. He is not doing anything particularly out of the ordinary. He is not really sticking his neck out (the campaign was not exactly risky) and his explanations of the behaviour I did not understand seem adequate. However, his D2 behaviour is really bugging me. He was adamant about townhunting D1, yet did not really do much of it. His reason for not wanting to scumhunt is that there was no lynch. D2 has a lynch, yet the sum total of his "scumhunting" is parking his vote on Sandro in a full acknowledgement of sheeping Syllo: On November 23 2012 18:47 goodkarma wrote: I am entirely opposed to troll(CaveJohnson) hunting at present. I am not as confident as some seem to be that, based off his current anti-town dialogue, he has demonstrated he in fact is mafia. On the other hand, if Sandroba's meta (as stated by others here) is to be believed, he is a clear choice as a lynching candidate for today. He has gone into hardcore lurker mode, which normally is something I wouldn't consider a tell. However, as a player of his reputation that plays so well as town to disappear as he has, I deem voting to lynch him appropriate. I would like to hear what he has to say to explain his current complete lack of caring since very early this game. And until he does: ##Vote: Sandroba I am just having a really hard time deciding if this is lazy town or content scum :S The meta-analysis was extensive, but ultimately unproductive. When I first read through GK's filter I thought I saw a very cautious, constructed use of language. However, upon reading him in NMMXXIV I get the same feeling there: it is just his way of speaking. His playstyle there is not the same as here. He seems far more involved. However, his playstyle is also not like in LVII, where he seemed completely uninclined to want to figure anything out, whereas on D1 I at least got the feeling he was interested in the game. As for Dieno's case: + Show Spoiler + On November 24 2012 05:42 Dienosore wrote: Ok here are the results of my investigation on GF. I believe him to be a leading candidate for the gallows: Mistake No. 1 + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2012 15:26 goodkarma wrote: Perhaps our host could explain?: Are chosen party members kill-immune? If not, what happens if scum kill a party member? On November 21 2012 16:35 goodkarma wrote: I've touched on this a few times. Hopefully this is the last time clarification is needed. This game isn't about scumhunting. Rather, it revolves around townhunting. On November 21 2012 17:16 goodkarma wrote: The game structure inherantly requires us to produce targets for the mafia, and we'll just need to accept that... I should reword what I said, then, as follows.: Until such a time where lynching becomes an available option, we should be prioritizing townhunting over scumhunting as we choose our party leader and members. These all happened early and seem to come from a scumbag's perspective. While one post wouldn't necessarily indicate mafia, I became suspicious when they began to stack up quickly Mistake No. 2 + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2012 17:50 goodkarma wrote: Nice to play with you again Toadesstern . There were a few things you mentioned I would like to briefly touch up on and then I'm really going to bed...What you're saying here seems perfectly reasonable to me. However, I still feel as if blah blah blah... Here he completely glosses over Toad's accusation of Keirathi, indirectly saying to me that he supported the idea of a scum Keirathi. Well, it turned out Keirathi was in the group when we succeeded, so...? Mistake No. 3: + Show Spoiler + On November 22 2012 15:10 goodkarma wrote: Okay. To the best of my ability I have selected a team. 1) Oats: This is a guy who has played unafraid of what others think of him, making a mediocre (at best) case against clarity and chiming in every chance he gets. He clearly is excited to scumhunt, which is what I believe to be the only reason he placed a vote on toad. I visualize a scum in this setup taking more time discussing who's town, which is definitely the "safer" route. 2) Djo: I can't say that I have a very strong read on him, but I'm leaning towards town. He has proposed his own ideas for how to run an election. A scum could be just as forthcoming, however. Beyond that, I have to go off of his reads: he doesn't trust acro and prox, and thinks oats is town. I am in general agreement there. Definitely my weakest read. 3) Sandroba: However much I feel he's playing lazy (he is), I keep coming back to his filter. I do currently believe that he is town. Everything he has done to date has been to provide clarity and insight into reads others have had and the general mechanics of this specific game. He could do this as scum, but I am inclined to believe he could have been a little less helpful and gotten away with it as scum as well. I look forward to seeing his proposed party as this will provide the information I need to help solidify my understanding of his thought process and determine if he truly belongs on this platform. But as it currently stands, I believe him to be town, and am including him on my platform. A brief note on Dieno: He is playing so badly that many would consider him likely town, as newbie scum tend to play far more cautiously. However, the persistence and singlemindedness with which he's been pushing his campaign (even after repeatedly being warned) and shitting up the thread leaves enough doubt in my head to exclude him. As a newbie town trying to improve he would have changed his gameplan long ago, as a troll he would be more, well, trolly, and as a newbie who doesn't give a shit he would have given up. How he's been playing is just plain sad, to the point where I wonder if what he's been doing is deliberately anti-town as a scum. He most definitely could be town, but I would rather not take such a risk on such an unknown. So he picked Oats for the obvious towny to gain people's trust, Djo who has always been suspicious to me, and Sandro who has recently come under heavy fire as a scumbag. Not very solid picks IMO. Also, why attack me at the end of it? He doesn't directly call me scum, but it seems as if he is trying to plant some seeds of doubt at least. He ends up switching his party no much later to Djo/Phagga/Dien. Why so flip floppy, I ask? He later revealed that I made the cut solely because of my roleclaim. Mistake No. 4 + Show Spoiler + On November 24 2012 01:19 goodkarma wrote: I am not in the least bit surprised that he has made one. But he has come to the correct conclusion, for the right reasons. I do regret that the last few times I've played with him I never took the time to congratulate him, so I'll do so now. He played NMM XXIII spectacularly, and it has been a pleasure to play with him since then. <3 Happa He seems overly relieved to finally have someone call him town. Even threw in a cute little heart there too. My gut says he started off very scummy, then toned it down a bit after he decided to drop his campaign and try to blend in. He is definitely top 3 on my Mafiadar. My next target: Sandroba 1. I agree that I don't like his focus on townhunting, but lets be honest here: what use does mafia have to townhunt, except that they can probably hide it more easily? They already know who is town. Null tell. 2. Being wrong is not a scumtell. 3. Party picks are indeed one of the mysteries, but I don't see his party as scum motivated. More as if he is not very good at getting his motivation and town reads straight. I still have more problems with Phagga than anybody else he picked, though. I don't get how he suddenly picked Phagga out of the blue. 4. Null. I am actually of the reverse opinion: he started out okay and got scummier over time. The reason I asked for Dieno's reads was because I stumbled over GK's use of language. Dieno apparently didn't, which was what surprised me a bit in his case. However, the meta explains his language quite a bit. One last thing: On November 24 2012 13:34 goodkarma wrote: I can understand the excuses that Sandroba has provided, but I find the complete lack of followup on who he would consider a prime scum suspect to be disturbing. It's as though he is holding back, maybe... because he's scum, and as scum making up even a half-baked scumread is hard for him. I would really like to see him take some initiative and actually help town out. He continues to fail to deliver in this department, which would leave me to believe that his complete apathy and lack of involvement in this game is indeed scum-driven. I will keep my vote on Sandroba for the time being. Syllo has all but proven himself to be town at this point, and I will change my vote from Sandroba only if he somehow believes he isn't scum after his latest post. The bolded statement feels INCREDIBLY forced. As if he is intentionally playing down Sandro's skill at playing scum to make it fit in with his case. Given that everybody and their brother is looking at Sandro to push his reads, don't you think a scum Sandro would have done so by now? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17811 Posts
On November 25 2012 00:02 Oatsmaster wrote: Acro, lets ignore that it is Sandro we are talking about. Would a mafia player that is under heavy suspicion from sheeping votes but no clear case push reads? or wait for a clear case on another player, which is kita or Cave Johnson at this this point and push that case hard? Either, or, both. Depends on who we're talking about. There is no fixed recipe for getting out from under suspicion as either alignment... frankly your question is nonsense. You explain your actions, your reasoning and get on with playing the game. Everybody else just has to make sense of it. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17811 Posts
Not saying Drazerk should never be lynched, but I fail to see how his claim makes him a priority for lynching now. The candidacy is only damning because I agree there should have been some scum in there. Other than that I am unsurprised about Kita running. His stance on Sandroba seems sensible, and he voiced many of the suspicions I have of risk.nuke. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On November 25 2012 00:26 Acrofales wrote: Yeah, still frustratingly null on Kita too. The most damning things about him are that he ran for leader and wants to lynch Drazerk. It is just so... circumstantial. He *should* know better about Drazerk, who trolls, fakeclaims and makes himself as useless as possible in every game he's in, regardless of alignment. Not saying Drazerk should never be lynched, but I fail to see how his claim makes him a priority for lynching now. The candidacy is only damning because I agree there should have been some scum in there. Other than that I am unsurprised about Kita running. His stance on Sandroba seems sensible, and he voiced many of the suspicions I have of risk.nuke. you can't be serious. He hasn't taken a stance other than to say he doesn't mind lynching him, which is incredibly weak. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On November 25 2012 00:09 Acrofales wrote: The bolded statement feels INCREDIBLY forced. As if he is intentionally playing down Sandro's skill at playing scum to make it fit in with his case. Given that everybody and their brother is looking at Sandro to push his reads, don't you think a scum Sandro would have done so by now? Don't you think a town sandro would too? | ||
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